RE: Email de-duplicator?
Yeah...his deodorant directions say to use push up bottom ... :) -Original Message- From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I passed on that, joke was weak...just like ME2's deodorant. Shook -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Email de-duplicator?
Thirded, on all counts. You don't run utilities that are designed to fix problems by slicing out chunks of data if problems are found, as regular maintenance. That's just crazy. You don't intentionally incur unnecessary downtime on a system designed to be up all the time, as maintenance, when all the critical maintenance tasks already run online. I've had some wild rides with MS support, too, and they're always there right to the end, even when it's not so happy. E5.5, 40GB database in a remote location. Local staff hadn't completed a backup in over a month... and had been deleting logfiles to keep the drive from filling up. Two RAID drives degraded... second one replaced before the first completed rebuilding. What do YOU think happened? Support was on the phone with me for something like 36 hours, initially. That sat there for hours while we ran the utils to try to recover the sucker, to no avail. We spent days moving the files up to local and FTPing them to MS, so they could try to work on the DBs in house. Eventually, we had to start clean, but the level of commitment was stupendous. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Michael, I am 100% with you on this one. In a critical support issue, I have had 2 guys rotate including myself to handle a critical Exchange Server 2003 failure that took 14 hours to diagnose and repair. Restored database to a backup that was over 2 weeks old, and the server had a corrupt log file from a and the raid blip due to a power failure ... and no recent backups existed. Never lost connection with a tech and as they rotated off, the next tech had a handle on the whole situation. I then had 3 different MSFT techs over 2 days after call in to check the health and verify backups, performance, and Integrity. 250.00 bucks. Client praised our name until they got my after hours billhehe.. Running on proper hardware, having power and data backups would have mitigated, but MS is always there when the clients are stupi...err. I mean... common sense lacking, financially puckered, and unaware of their own ignorance. Greg From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange
RE: Email de-duplicator?
Geez, do the local wizards still work there - and if so, are they allowed to touch computers? From: Bingham, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Thirded, on all counts. You don't run utilities that are designed to fix problems by slicing out chunks of data if problems are found, as regular maintenance. That's just crazy. You don't intentionally incur unnecessary downtime on a system designed to be up all the time, as maintenance, when all the critical maintenance tasks already run online. I've had some wild rides with MS support, too, and they're always there right to the end, even when it's not so happy. E5.5, 40GB database in a remote location. Local staff hadn't completed a backup in over a month... and had been deleting logfiles to keep the drive from filling up. Two RAID drives degraded... second one replaced before the first completed rebuilding. What do YOU think happened? Support was on the phone with me for something like 36 hours, initially. That sat there for hours while we ran the utils to try to recover the sucker, to no avail. We spent days moving the files up to local and FTPing them to MS, so they could try to work on the DBs in house. Eventually, we had to start clean, but the level of commitment was stupendous. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Michael, I am 100% with you on this one. In a critical support issue, I have had 2 guys rotate including myself to handle a critical Exchange Server 2003 failure that took 14 hours to diagnose and repair. Restored database to a backup that was over 2 weeks old, and the server had a corrupt log file from a and the raid blip due to a power failure ... and no recent backups existed. Never lost connection with a tech and as they rotated off, the next tech had a handle on the whole situation. I then had 3 different MSFT techs over 2 days after call in to check the health and verify backups, performance, and Integrity. 250.00 bucks. Client praised our name until they got my after hours billhehe.. Running on proper hardware, having power and data backups would have mitigated, but MS is always there when the clients are stupi...err. I mean... common sense lacking, financially puckered, and unaware of their own ignorance. Greg From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling
RE: Email de-duplicator?
count=mount From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Heck no Tim, I go see him at his work place. Shook's a friend you can count on man!! From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Webster, Bringing up the trip that you and Shook took to the deserted island just makes Tom jealous. ;-) TVK From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. I wouldn't trust those logs any more than I would trust Shook on a deserted island! Their logs are possibly as accurate as the logs generated by some so called spyware removers that find things that don't exist on your system. Just my $0.02US Worth Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Email de-duplicator?
SICK, SICK I tell ya!! From: Kent, Larry CTR USA IMCOM [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:18 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? count=mount From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:21 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Heck no Tim, I go see him at his work place. Shook's a friend you can count on man!! From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Webster, Bringing up the trip that you and Shook took to the deserted island just makes Tom jealous. ;-) TVK From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. I wouldn't trust those logs any more than I would trust Shook on a deserted island! Their logs are possibly as accurate as the logs generated by some so called spyware removers that find things that don't exist on your system. Just my $0.02US Worth Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: Email de-duplicator?
So I gather from the responses its a waste of money and time to have this product. Gotta love it!! Now I need to go find a lawn mower to shovel the snow from my driveway, sheesh! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Warning != error. I expect that GoExchange is reporting isinteg warnings as their errors. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I agree Michael, babysitting this utility to see what it does is interesting compared to the times I had to run the cmd line tools in Exchange 5.5 and you are correct, if the DB is corrupt it aborts the backup which brings me to the question of: If you continue to get these DB errors and corruption where do you look to find the problem if the software and hardware are setup to MS standards?? Thanks for all the comments guys, even if it isn't what I want to read. The Truth will set you free... From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday
RE: Email de-duplicator?
It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? So I gather from the responses its a waste of money and time to have this product. Gotta love it!! Now I need to go find a lawn mower to shovel the snow from my driveway, sheesh! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Warning != error. I expect that GoExchange is reporting isinteg warnings as their errors. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I agree Michael, babysitting this utility to see what it does is interesting compared to the times I had to run the cmd line tools in Exchange 5.5 and you are correct, if the DB is corrupt it aborts the backup which brings me to the question of: If you continue to get these DB errors and corruption where do you look to find the problem if the software and hardware are setup to MS standards?? Thanks for all the comments guys, even if it isn't what I want to read. The Truth will set you free... From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I
Re: Email de-duplicator?
Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? So I gather from the responses its a waste of money and time to have this product. Gotta love it!! Now I need to go find a lawn mower to shovel the snow from my driveway, sheesh! From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Warning != error. I expect that GoExchange is reporting isinteg warnings as their errors. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I agree Michael, babysitting this utility to see what it does is interesting compared to the times I had to run the cmd line tools in Exchange 5.5 and you are correct, if the DB is corrupt it aborts the backup which brings me to the question of: If you continue to get these DB errors and corruption where do you look to find the problem if the software and hardware are setup to MS standards?? Thanks for all the comments guys, even if it isn't what I want to read. The Truth will set you free… From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database – pretty much ANY dismounted database – and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me – you guessed it – about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots – but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better
RE: Email de-duplicator?
You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I passed on that, joke was weak...just like ME2's deodorant. Shook -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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It's mah plezjah... :-) On Jan 3, 2008 3:14 PM, William Lefkovics [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Top of the year and chock full of snaps! And this coming from someone who turned in THIS book report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/91/It-seems-this-essay-was-written-while-the-guy-was-high-hilarious- On Jan 3, 2008 3:16 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I passed on that, joke was weak...just like ME2's deodorant. Shook -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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http://static.scribd.com/docs/iyf3q21g5duht.pdf On Jan 3, 2008 3:54 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top of the year and chock full of snaps! And this coming from someone who turned in THIS book report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/91/It-seems-this-essay-was-written-while-the-guy-was-high-hilarious- On Jan 3, 2008 3:16 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I passed on that, joke was weak...just like ME2's deodorant. Shook -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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All that and he still got a D-... Joe Heaton -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? http://static.scribd.com/docs/iyf3q21g5duht.pdf On Jan 3, 2008 3:54 PM, Micheal Espinola Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Top of the year and chock full of snaps! And this coming from someone who turned in THIS book report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/91/It-seems-this-essay-was-written-while-the-guy-was-high-hilarious- On Jan 3, 2008 3:16 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I passed on that, joke was weak...just like ME2's deodorant. Shook -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: 1/2/2008 11:29 AM ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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LOL... -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 2:55 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Top of the year and chock full of snaps! And this coming from someone who turned in THIS book report: http://www.scribd.com/doc/91/It-seems-this-essay-was-written-while-the-g uy-was-high-hilarious- On Jan 3, 2008 3:16 PM, Andy Shook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I passed on that, joke was weak...just like ME2's deodorant. Shook -Original Message- From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:14 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You are intentionally setting up Shook, aren't you? William Lefkovics Putting the Pness in MVPness since 2001 -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? Martha's [Stewart] polishing the brass on the Titanic. It's all going down, man. On Jan 3, 2008 1:30 PM, Andy David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Hehe. maybe it sets diagnostics logging on the store to the PSS-only-Uber-Strength-Report-anything-that-shivers setting and reports on that. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Warning != error. I expect that GoExchange is reporting isinteg warnings as their errors. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I agree Michael, babysitting this utility to see what it does is interesting compared to the times I had to run the cmd line tools in Exchange 5.5 and you are correct, if the DB is corrupt it aborts the backup which brings me to the question of: If you continue to get these DB errors and corruption where do you look to find the problem if the software and hardware are setup to MS standards?? Thanks for all the comments guys, even if it isn't what I want to read. The Truth will set you free. _ From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I looked into GoExchange once, and I concur, they seemed to have a 'fear-mongering' mentality over there... From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:17 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Hehe... maybe it sets diagnostics logging on the store to the PSS-only-Uber-Strength-Report-anything-that-shivers setting and reports on that. From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:19 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Warning != error. I expect that GoExchange is reporting isinteg warnings as their errors. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 12:27 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I agree Michael, babysitting this utility to see what it does is interesting compared to the times I had to run the cmd line tools in Exchange 5.5 and you are correct, if the DB is corrupt it aborts the backup which brings me to the question of: If you continue to get these DB errors and corruption where do you look to find the problem if the software and hardware are setup to MS standards?? Thanks for all the comments guys, even if it isn't what I want to read. The Truth will set you free... From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Email de-duplicator? Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK.as long as its not GoExchange J While I may not have the body of Seven of Nine, I have broken free of the Collective and am now a free independent individual. Why not GoExchange? It is William's and Kevin's most fave Exchange utility and company. J Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I just saw this. Can't speak for it. http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/ddo.htm From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK.as long as its not GoExchange J Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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MAPI Labs Duplicates Remover for Outlook. Well worth the money. http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/remove_duplicates/?dstr - Thank you, Pete Kretche MCP, A+ Network Systems Administrator UW - Green Bay Voice: 920.465.5014 Fax: 920.465.2864 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I just saw this. Can't speak for it. http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/ddo.htm From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK...as long as its not GoExchange :) Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I've used it. Second the recommendation. On Jan 2, 2008 3:31 PM, Kretche, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAPI Labs Duplicates Remover for Outlook. Well worth the money. http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/remove_duplicates/?dstr - Thank you, Pete Kretche MCP, A+ Network Systems Administrator UW - Green Bay Voice: 920.465.5014 Fax: 920.465.2864 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I just saw this. Can't speak for it. http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/ddo.htm From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK…as long as its not GoExchange J Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Whatcha got against GoExchange? From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK...as long as its not GoExchange :-) Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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It's existence... On Jan 2, 2008 12:49 PM, Tom Strader [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Whatcha got against GoExchange?* -- *From:* Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:11 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK…as long as its not GoExchange J Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I used this once. Worked well. Bob Fronk -Original Message- From: Micheal Espinola Jr [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:35 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? I've used it. Second the recommendation. On Jan 2, 2008 3:31 PM, Kretche, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MAPI Labs Duplicates Remover for Outlook. Well worth the money. http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/remove_duplicates/?dstr - Thank you, Pete Kretche MCP, A+ Network Systems Administrator UW - Green Bay Voice: 920.465.5014 Fax: 920.465.2864 [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 2:28 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I just saw this. Can't speak for it. http://e-gadgets.freehostia.com/ddo.htm From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK...as long as its not GoExchange J Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook -- ME2 ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the Davis H. Elliot Company company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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MAPILabs worked for me. http://www.mapilab.com/outlook/remove_duplicates/ From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3rd party is OK.as long as its not GoExchange J Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I am impressed that they can sell a product that you don't need, and that they have been doing it for so long. They automate putting underwear on, in a very sexy way that makes people want to buy it. In real life it is much simpler to put your underwear on yourself. ~Kevinm WLKMMAS Formerly of Microsofthttp://www.microsoft.com/exchange/, now powered by 3Sharphttp://www.3sharp.com/, Always WLKhttp://pics.wlkmmas.org/MMAShttp://www.hedonists.ca/ From: Don Ely [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 12:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Email de-duplicator? It's existence... On Jan 2, 2008 12:49 PM, Tom Strader [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatcha got against GoExchange? From: Andy Shook [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 3:11 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Email de-duplicator? All, CEO has several external addresses forwarding to his internal Exchange 2003\OL 2003 account and there are a lot of duplicate emails in his mailbox. I'm researching root cause but I the mean time, he is requesting some utility/automated way to de-dup his inbox. Googling now but wanted to ping the collective as well? 3 rd party is OK...as long as its not GoExchange J Shook http://www.linkedin.com/in/andyshook ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom _ From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. I wouldn't trust those logs any more than I would trust Shook on a deserted island! Their logs are possibly as accurate as the logs generated by some so called spyware removers that find things that don't exist on your system. Just my $0.02US Worth Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Webster, Bringing up the trip that you and Shook took to the deserted island just makes Tom jealous. ;-) TVK From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. I wouldn't trust those logs any more than I would trust Shook on a deserted island! Their logs are possibly as accurate as the logs generated by some so called spyware removers that find things that don't exist on your system. Just my $0.02US Worth Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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MickeySoft? Restoring from backup is always your first and best option. All GoExchange does is automate eseutil and isinteg - which allowed you to essentially run a broken database in production. Your real issues, as you have noted, were poor hardware and a poor backup solution. From: Tom Strader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz’s 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Every time you do an exchange aware, streaming online backup of the store, you are checking DB integrity. I can certainly run isinteg against a store every month and probably find something off, but that doesnt mean its something I need to fix, or something that will actually cause me any problems. Good hardware, good practices makes GoExchange irrelevant. From: Tom Strader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn’t is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz’s 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. _ From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom _ From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Michael, I am 100% with you on this one. In a critical support issue, I have had 2 guys rotate including myself to handle a critical Exchange Server 2003 failure that took 14 hours to diagnose and repair. Restored database to a backup that was over 2 weeks old, and the server had a corrupt log file from a and the raid blip due to a power failure ... and no recent backups existed. Never lost connection with a tech and as they rotated off, the next tech had a handle on the whole situation. I then had 3 different MSFT techs over 2 days after call in to check the health and verify backups, performance, and Integrity. 250.00 bucks. Client praised our name until they got my after hours billhehe.. Running on proper hardware, having power and data backups would have mitigated, but MS is always there when the clients are stupi...err. I mean... common sense lacking, financially puckered, and unaware of their own ignorance. Greg From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read
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Heck no Tim, I go see him at his work place. Shook's a friend you can count on man!! From: Tim Vander Kooi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 6:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Webster, Bringing up the trip that you and Shook took to the deserted island just makes Tom jealous. ;-) TVK From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. I wouldn't trust those logs any more than I would trust Shook on a deserted island! Their logs are possibly as accurate as the logs generated by some so called spyware removers that find things that don't exist on your system. Just my $0.02US Worth Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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Good to know. -Original Message- From: Andy David [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 7:58 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Every time you do an exchange aware, streaming online backup of the store, you are checking DB integrity. I can certainly run isinteg against a store every month and probably find something off, but that doesnt mean its something I need to fix, or something that will actually cause me any problems. Good hardware, good practices makes GoExchange irrelevant. From: Tom Strader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:23 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~ ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
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I agree Michael, babysitting this utility to see what it does is interesting compared to the times I had to run the cmd line tools in Exchange 5.5 and you are correct, if the DB is corrupt it aborts the backup which brings me to the question of: If you continue to get these DB errors and corruption where do you look to find the problem if the software and hardware are setup to MS standards?? Thanks for all the comments guys, even if it isn't what I want to read. The Truth will set you free... From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? You can run isinteg on a dismounted database - pretty much ANY dismounted database - and it will give you warnings. This is because isinteg is a utility and not a database engine itself. You can tell isinteg to fix those warnings, and run it multiple times until there aren't any more warnings, and you've just detuned your indexes. I expect (but admit that I do not know it for sure) that those warnings are what are being reported by GoExchange. Db integrity is checked 100% with every single online backup that you take. 100%. You can't back up a corrupted database with online backup. It aborts. And in Exchange 2007 sp1, it's regularly checked on an ongoing basis. In my Exchange 5.0 to 5.5 migration, I had a call that lasted for 32 hours with Microsoft. They stuck with me all the way. When I had a RAID-5 failure with a bad backup tape on SBS-2000 (and Exchange 5.5 had a custom version in SBS 2000), I had as many as eight engineers working with me to make that right. It took 3 days. And cost me - you guessed it - about $250. Yes, sometimes frontline support can be idiots - but I've never had MSFT fail me in a critical support situation. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:24 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? According to the logs it creates, it is still finding errors and fixing them. If someone can show me why we shouldn't use the program and still maintain DB integrity, I'm open to any suggestions for saving money and downtime. The article Webster sent was eye-opening to say the least. ..and they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks. From: William Lefkovics [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? I have never heard of Microsoft failing so badly. They would work with you until the problem was solved. Even the notion of GoExchange solving something that Microsoft couldn't is completely ludicrous. it works for us, that's all I know. Really? What is the ongoing need it is filling, besides creating unnecessary downtime? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 1:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Good comments there and it makes sense, but when I took over at the PAC, their Exchange 5.5 server was getting corrupted at least once a week. We called Mickeysoft and they couldn't figure out the problem. Everything was setup properly, up to date etc. GoExchange was purchased and installed. It fixed the problems and the databases have never had a problem since. We are at Exchange 2K3 SP2 now and still use the program. It made a difference for us where Microsoft couldn't. Their response was restore from backup. At that time, the PAC was using demo backup software to backup about 200 Gigs of data. Needless to say, I insisted on better software and hardware to take care of this. Knowing what I know now, after having to restore the DB several times using the Eseutil and Isinteg utils for several weeks prior to upgrading the backup situation and reading this article, I probably would not renew the software. However, for what it's worth, it works for us, that's all I know. Tom From: Webster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:03 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? From: Tom Strader [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Email de-duplicator? Whatcha got against GoExchange? http://www.themssforum.com/ExchangeAdmin/GoExchange/ Read Ben Winzenz's 2nd response. Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
