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Tim- What is this Script Center you speak of? :) John Bowles From: Tim Vander Kooi [tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I agree. We rarely do much outside the GUI with SMBs, and the beauty of PS that I have found is that when you do need to do something, you simply go to the Script Center or similar and copy and paste your solution. You can’t do that with a GUI. PS has made Exchange support for us MUCH simpler in that way. Tim From: Andrew Mclaren [mailto:andrew.mcla...@collies.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I don’t agree. We are a small shop of about 60 employees and we are running Exchange 2007 without a hitch. It simply “just works”. I have only had to delve into the mysteries of powershell once and everything else that my office has needed has been configurable using the GUI. No problem. Furthermore, the fact that Exchange is bundled with Essential Business Server, which (AFAIK) Microsoft targets towards small-medium sized businesses (300 users) suggests to me that they intend for Exchange to be used in those kinds of environments. I am not aware of any “big push” from Microsoft. Regards, Andrew IT Manager From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshin...@tacteam.net] Sent: 11 November 2009 01:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think you're right about that. The fact that no major investments in ease of use for the on premises solution always indicated to me that Exchange Online was the future for small and mid-sized businesses for Exchange. Big shops can afford Exchange teams who do that all the time -- so their invesment in dealing with PS ins't quite as onerous. The big push is to drive smaller shops to Online, which from my experience, isn't too bad. TOM SHINDER | Sr. Consultant/Technical Writer 206.443.1117 | shin...@prowesscorp.commailto:shin...@prowesscorp.com 5701 Sixth Avenue South | Seattle, WA 98108 PROWESS | WWW.PROWESSCORP.COMhttp://www.prowesscorp.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think maybe you're at a point similar to where I am. We're an exchange 2003 shop, currently. I'm thinking really hard about pushing for a hosted exchange. Exchange is arguably the most complex piece of software MS ships and is only becoming more so. The reasons risk/reward profile of hosting v. on-site is beginning to swing towards hosted. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: There’s nothing wrong with PowerShell—a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don’t give people just a GUI. Don’t give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators’ choices. They made it so that you *had* to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That’s not a step in the right direction. John From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.commailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.commailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.ukmailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/scriptcenter/default.aspx Best PS resource around. This and the rest of TechNet. Tim From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 8:15 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Tim- What is this Script Center you speak of? :) John Bowles From: Tim Vander Kooi [tvanderk...@expl.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 4:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I agree. We rarely do much outside the GUI with SMBs, and the beauty of PS that I have found is that when you do need to do something, you simply go to the Script Center or similar and copy and paste your solution. You can't do that with a GUI. PS has made Exchange support for us MUCH simpler in that way. Tim From: Andrew Mclaren [mailto:andrew.mcla...@collies.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I don't agree. We are a small shop of about 60 employees and we are running Exchange 2007 without a hitch. It simply just works. I have only had to delve into the mysteries of powershell once and everything else that my office has needed has been configurable using the GUI. No problem. Furthermore, the fact that Exchange is bundled with Essential Business Server, which (AFAIK) Microsoft targets towards small-medium sized businesses (300 users) suggests to me that they intend for Exchange to be used in those kinds of environments. I am not aware of any big push from Microsoft. Regards, Andrew IT Manager From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshin...@tacteam.net] Sent: 11 November 2009 01:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think you're right about that. The fact that no major investments in ease of use for the on premises solution always indicated to me that Exchange Online was the future for small and mid-sized businesses for Exchange. Big shops can afford Exchange teams who do that all the time -- so their invesment in dealing with PS ins't quite as onerous. The big push is to drive smaller shops to Online, which from my experience, isn't too bad. TOM SHINDER | Sr. Consultant/Technical Writer 206.443.1117 | shin...@prowesscorp.commailto:shin...@prowesscorp.com 5701 Sixth Avenue South | Seattle, WA 98108 PROWESS | WWW.PROWESSCORP.COMhttp://www.prowesscorp.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think maybe you're at a point similar to where I am. We're an exchange 2003 shop, currently. I'm thinking really hard about pushing for a hosted exchange. Exchange is arguably the most complex piece of software MS ships and is only becoming more so. The reasons risk/reward profile of hosting v. on-site is beginning to swing towards hosted. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: There's nothing wrong with PowerShell-a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don't give people just a GUI. Don't give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators' choices. They made it so that you *had* to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That's not a step in the right direction. John From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.commailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.commailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.ukmailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after
Re: Exchange 2010 RTM?
+1 +1 - Original Message - From: John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:22:52 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I have no clue what MS was thinking when they made that choice. Adding functionality to the CLI is great. But who, exactly, thought it would be a good idea to REMOVE functionality from the GUI? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? +1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I agree. We rarely do much outside the GUI with SMBs, and the beauty of PS that I have found is that when you do need to do something, you simply go to the Script Center or similar and copy and paste your solution. You can't do that with a GUI. PS has made Exchange support for us MUCH simpler in that way. Tim From: Andrew Mclaren [mailto:andrew.mcla...@collies.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:37 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I don't agree. We are a small shop of about 60 employees and we are running Exchange 2007 without a hitch. It simply just works. I have only had to delve into the mysteries of powershell once and everything else that my office has needed has been configurable using the GUI. No problem. Furthermore, the fact that Exchange is bundled with Essential Business Server, which (AFAIK) Microsoft targets towards small-medium sized businesses (300 users) suggests to me that they intend for Exchange to be used in those kinds of environments. I am not aware of any big push from Microsoft. Regards, Andrew IT Manager From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshin...@tacteam.net] Sent: 11 November 2009 01:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think you're right about that. The fact that no major investments in ease of use for the on premises solution always indicated to me that Exchange Online was the future for small and mid-sized businesses for Exchange. Big shops can afford Exchange teams who do that all the time -- so their invesment in dealing with PS ins't quite as onerous. The big push is to drive smaller shops to Online, which from my experience, isn't too bad. TOM SHINDER | Sr. Consultant/Technical Writer 206.443.1117 | shin...@prowesscorp.commailto:shin...@prowesscorp.com 5701 Sixth Avenue South | Seattle, WA 98108 PROWESS | WWW.PROWESSCORP.COMhttp://www.prowesscorp.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think maybe you're at a point similar to where I am. We're an exchange 2003 shop, currently. I'm thinking really hard about pushing for a hosted exchange. Exchange is arguably the most complex piece of software MS ships and is only becoming more so. The reasons risk/reward profile of hosting v. on-site is beginning to swing towards hosted. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: There's nothing wrong with PowerShell-a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don't give people just a GUI. Don't give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators' choices. They made it so that you *had* to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That's not a step in the right direction. John From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.commailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.commailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.ukmailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben _ This e-mail (including all
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Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben
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The videos are/will be here: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/teched/videos.mspx http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/events/teched/videos.mspxEnjoy! Andrew 2009/11/10 John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org I'm sure it was recorded John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud -- *From*: Campbell, Rob *To*: MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Sent*: Mon Nov 09 22:38:50 2009 *Subject*: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I'm there, but missed the opening keynote. -- From: John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? It's the subject of the opening Keynote session here at Exchange/Win connections being discussed right now. I'm drinkin the koolaid! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud -- *From*: Andrew Levicki *To*: MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Sent*: Mon Nov 09 16:10:13 2009 *Subject*: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39867169,00.htm 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ** -- CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
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+1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I have no clue what MS was thinking when they made that choice. Adding functionality to the CLI is great. But who, exactly, thought it would be a good idea to REMOVE functionality from the GUI? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? +1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure.
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From a business standpoint you have to understand they came to a point where they had to cut off development to make a deadline for RTM. From an admin standpoint I think it sucks when you lose that kind of functionality, I'll wait till SP1, maybe they'll get to it by then. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: John Bowles To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tue Nov 10 10:27:22 2009 Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? The argument is that when you add more complexity to an application you're going to have more complexity in the configuration. Honestly, they could of kept majority of that functionality in the GUI. I think it was a vast attempt to appease the CL weenies of the world. And it back fired IMO. I like E2K7, but I think they alienated majority of the population that buys their product. The GUI configuratbility from an Admin/Engineer standpoint is one of the big reason's Exchange stood out from the pack from the rest of the messaging platforms. John Bowles From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I have no clue what MS was thinking when they made that choice. Adding functionality to the CLI is great. But who, exactly, thought it would be a good idea to REMOVE functionality from the GUI? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttps://outlook.com/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? +1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
The argument is that when you add more complexity to an application you're going to have more complexity in the configuration. Honestly, they could of kept majority of that functionality in the GUI. I think it was a vast attempt to appease the CL weenies of the world. And it back fired IMO. I like E2K7, but I think they alienated majority of the population that buys their product. The GUI configuratbility from an Admin/Engineer standpoint is one of the big reason's Exchange stood out from the pack from the rest of the messaging platforms. John Bowles From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I have no clue what MS was thinking when they made that choice. Adding functionality to the CLI is great. But who, exactly, thought it would be a good idea to REMOVE functionality from the GUI? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttps://outlook.com/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? +1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I keep hearing these complaints about things being cut from the GUI, and left in the command line only, but as someone who administrates many Exchange 2007 servers, a lot of what I have to do day to day is done from the GUI, although I tend to use the command line because it is quicker. I suspect a lot of it comes from people who have simply evaluated Exchange 2007, as the command line is used a lot in the setup and configuration, but in the day to day operation, the GUI should fulfil most tasks. However there are at least three active Exchange MVPs on this list, who can provide feedback to Microsoft. Therefore lets throw it open… What do you think is missing from the GUI? You need to be very specific. That applies to both Exchange 2007 and 2010 for those who have already looked at it. Its obviously too late to do anything about the released product, but Microsoft do listen – the change in policy over Windows 2008 R2 an Exchange 2007 is a clear example, but without being told, how do they know? Over to you people now. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://www.amset.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/http://certificatesforexchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/http://domainsforexchange.net/ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: 10 November 2009 15:39 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? From a business standpoint you have to understand they came to a point where they had to cut off development to make a deadline for RTM. From an admin standpoint I think it sucks when you lose that kind of functionality, I'll wait till SP1, maybe they'll get to it by then. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: John Bowles To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tue Nov 10 10:27:22 2009 Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? The argument is that when you add more complexity to an application you're going to have more complexity in the configuration. Honestly, they could of kept majority of that functionality in the GUI. I think it was a vast attempt to appease the CL weenies of the world. And it back fired IMO. I like E2K7, but I think they alienated majority of the population that buys their product. The GUI configuratbility from an Admin/Engineer standpoint is one of the big reason's Exchange stood out from the pack from the rest of the messaging platforms. John Bowles From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I have no clue what MS was thinking when they made that choice. Adding functionality to the CLI is great. But who, exactly, thought it would be a good idea to REMOVE functionality from the GUI? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttps://outlook.com/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? +1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure. CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
Here’s a little thing… Unless my memory is failing me, with the 2003 GUI I could view mailbox sizes and sort by size. I seem to have lost this with 2007 and I know have to run a CLI command that exports to a file, then open that file. This takes more time. Not a lot more, but eventually it adds up. Also, I miss the ADUC integration. To create new user accounts, I’ll frequently copy an existing account that already has the group membership I need. With 2003, I could go into ADUC and copy a user, create the new user, and create the mailbox in a few easy steps. No more. Now I have to do the user copying/creating in ADUC, then launch EMC to create the mailbox. This takes more time. Not a lot more, but eventually it adds up. Maybe there’s a better way to do these things than I’m currently doing. I’m not an Exchange wizard; keeping our system going is one of many things I’m responsible for, so I’m a jack of all trades, master of none! :-) John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.us From: Simon Butler [mailto:si...@sembee.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I keep hearing these complaints about things being cut from the GUI, and left in the command line only, but as someone who administrates many Exchange 2007 servers, a lot of what I have to do day to day is done from the GUI, although I tend to use the command line because it is quicker. I suspect a lot of it comes from people who have simply evaluated Exchange 2007, as the command line is used a lot in the setup and configuration, but in the day to day operation, the GUI should fulfil most tasks. However there are at least three active Exchange MVPs on this list, who can provide feedback to Microsoft. Therefore lets throw it open… What do you think is missing from the GUI? You need to be very specific. That applies to both Exchange 2007 and 2010 for those who have already looked at it. Its obviously too late to do anything about the released product, but Microsoft do listen – the change in policy over Windows 2008 R2 an Exchange 2007 is a clear example, but without being told, how do they know? Over to you people now. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Sembee Ltd. e: si...@sembee.co.uk w: http://www.sembee.co.uk/ w: http://www.amset.info/ w: http://blog.sembee.co.uk/ Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/http://certificatesforexchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/http://domainsforexchange.net/ From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] Sent: 10 November 2009 15:39 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? From a business standpoint you have to understand they came to a point where they had to cut off development to make a deadline for RTM. From an admin standpoint I think it sucks when you lose that kind of functionality, I'll wait till SP1, maybe they'll get to it by then. John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: John Bowles To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Tue Nov 10 10:27:22 2009 Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? The argument is that when you add more complexity to an application you're going to have more complexity in the configuration. Honestly, they could of kept majority of that functionality in the GUI. I think it was a vast attempt to appease the CL weenies of the world. And it back fired IMO. I like E2K7, but I think they alienated majority of the population that buys their product. The GUI configuratbility from an Admin/Engineer standpoint is one of the big reason's Exchange stood out from the pack from the rest of the messaging platforms. John Bowles From: John Hornbuckle [john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:22 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I have no clue what MS was thinking when they made that choice. Adding functionality to the CLI is great. But who, exactly, thought it would be a good idea to REMOVE functionality from the GUI? John Hornbuckle MIS Department Taylor County School District 318 North Clark Street Perry, FL 32347 www.taylor.k12.fl.ushttps://outlook.com/owa/UrlBlockedError.aspx From: John Bowles [mailto:john.bow...@wlkmmas.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 10:13 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? +1 John Bowles From: McCready, Rob [rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
There's nothing wrong with PowerShell-a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don't give people just a GUI. Don't give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators' choices. They made it so that you *had* to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That's not a step in the right direction. John From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You. NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
Something I certainly considered very basic in Exchange 2003 was sorting mailboxes in the GUI by size, or even just LOOKING at a particular users current size. I agree with.If you want to add functionality via PowerShell, great..but don't SUBTRACT functionality from the GUI! Especially something as basic as a size column. Geesh. I don't know if that is back in 2010 or not, haven't seen the new release yet. From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You.
Re: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I think maybe you're at a point similar to where I am. We're an exchange 2003 shop, currently. I'm thinking really hard about pushing for a hosted exchange. Exchange is arguably the most complex piece of software MS ships and is only becoming more so. The reasons risk/reward profile of hosting v. on-site is beginning to swing towards hosted. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: There’s nothing wrong with PowerShell—a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don’t give people just a GUI. Don’t give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators’ choices. They made it so that you **had** to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That’s not a step in the right direction. John *From:* Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ J With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt *From:* McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] *Sent:* 10 November 2009 13:35 *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I’m curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. *From:* Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] *Sent:* Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben -- _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You. NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I think you're right about that. The fact that no major investments in ease of use for the on premises solution always indicated to me that Exchange Online was the future for small and mid-sized businesses for Exchange. Big shops can afford Exchange teams who do that all the time -- so their invesment in dealing with PS ins't quite as onerous. The big push is to drive smaller shops to Online, which from my experience, isn't too bad. TOM SHINDER | Sr. Consultant/Technical Writer 206.443.1117 | shin...@prowesscorp.com 5701 Sixth Avenue South | Seattle, WA 98108 PROWESS | WWW.PROWESSCORP.COM http://www.prowesscorp.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think maybe you're at a point similar to where I am. We're an exchange 2003 shop, currently. I'm thinking really hard about pushing for a hosted exchange. Exchange is arguably the most complex piece of software MS ships and is only becoming more so. The reasons risk/reward profile of hosting v. on-site is beginning to swing towards hosted. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: There's nothing wrong with PowerShell-a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don't give people just a GUI. Don't give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators' choices. They made it so that you *had* to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That's not a step in the right direction. John From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ J With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You. NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records law. Most written communications to or from this entity are public records that will be disclosed to the public and the media upon request. E-mail communications may be subject to public disclosure.
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I don't agree. We are a small shop of about 60 employees and we are running Exchange 2007 without a hitch. It simply just works. I have only had to delve into the mysteries of powershell once and everything else that my office has needed has been configurable using the GUI. No problem. Furthermore, the fact that Exchange is bundled with Essential Business Server, which (AFAIK) Microsoft targets towards small-medium sized businesses (300 users) suggests to me that they intend for Exchange to be used in those kinds of environments. I am not aware of any big push from Microsoft. Regards, Andrew IT Manager From: Thomas W Shinder [mailto:tshin...@tacteam.net] Sent: 11 November 2009 01:57 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think you're right about that. The fact that no major investments in ease of use for the on premises solution always indicated to me that Exchange Online was the future for small and mid-sized businesses for Exchange. Big shops can afford Exchange teams who do that all the time -- so their invesment in dealing with PS ins't quite as onerous. The big push is to drive smaller shops to Online, which from my experience, isn't too bad. TOM SHINDER | Sr. Consultant/Technical Writer 206.443.1117 | shin...@prowesscorp.commailto:shin...@prowesscorp.com 5701 Sixth Avenue South | Seattle, WA 98108 PROWESS | WWW.PROWESSCORP.COMhttp://www.prowesscorp.com/ From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:27 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? I think maybe you're at a point similar to where I am. We're an exchange 2003 shop, currently. I'm thinking really hard about pushing for a hosted exchange. Exchange is arguably the most complex piece of software MS ships and is only becoming more so. The reasons risk/reward profile of hosting v. on-site is beginning to swing towards hosted. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:19 PM, John Hornbuckle john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.usmailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us wrote: There's nothing wrong with PowerShell-a powerful CLI is a great thing. But from a design perspective, the goal needs to be to give people more choices rather than fewer. Don't give people just a GUI. Don't give them just a CLI. Give them both, and let them choose. What Microsoft did with Exchange 2007 was to take away administrators' choices. They made it so that you *had* to use the CLI for things that you previously could do with a GUI. That's not a step in the right direction. John From: Davies,Matt [mailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.commailto:mdav...@generalatlantic.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 2:52 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Seeing the presentations and the questions from the audience at TechEd in Berlin, PowerShell is here to stay, and if anything it has been increased due to things like archiving. From what was said, basic stuff you will always be able to do from the GUI, the rest needs Poweshell, what peoples idea of basic is seems to differ :) With Server 2008R2 AD you can do ADUC stuff from Powershell. Cheers Matt From: McCready, Rob [mailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.commailto:rob.mccrea...@dplinc.com] Sent: 10 November 2009 13:35 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? Has anybody played with Exchange 2010 yet? I'm curious to know if they incorporated any more functions into the GUI. This PowerShell stuff of typing in 240 characters for one simple requests is for the birds. Holy step backwards. From: Andrew Levicki [mailto:and...@levicki.me.ukmailto:and...@levicki.me.uk] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 4:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben _ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at h...@generalatlantic.commailto:h...@generalatlantic.com . Thank You. NOTICE: Florida has a broad public records
Re: Exchange 2010 RTM?
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben
RE: Exchange 2010 RTM?
Doh! http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx -Original Message- From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 2:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben
Re: Exchange 2010 RTM?
Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39867169,00.htm 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben
Re: Exchange 2010 RTM?
It's the subject of the opening Keynote session here at Exchange/Win connections being discussed right now. I'm drinkin the koolaid! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Andrew Levicki To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon Nov 09 16:10:13 2009 Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39867169,00.htm 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments.
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I'm there, but missed the opening keynote. From: John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? It's the subject of the opening Keynote session here at Exchange/Win connections being discussed right now. I'm drinkin the koolaid! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Andrew Levicki To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon Nov 09 16:10:13 2009 Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39867169,00.htm 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. **
Re: Exchange 2010 RTM?
I'm sure it was recorded John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Campbell, Rob To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon Nov 09 22:38:50 2009 Subject: RE: Exchange 2010 RTM? I'm there, but missed the opening keynote. From: John Cook john.c...@pfsf.org Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 6:53 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? It's the subject of the opening Keynote session here at Exchange/Win connections being discussed right now. I'm drinkin the koolaid! John W. Cook Systems Administrator Partnership For Strong Families Sent to you from my Blackberry in the Cloud From: Andrew Levicki To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: Mon Nov 09 16:10:13 2009 Subject: Re: Exchange 2010 RTM? Hi Troy, It was in the news. http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/11/09/453096.aspx And it comes shortly after they announced it was Code complete: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/08/452775.aspx Enjoy! Andrew http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,100121,39867169,00.htm 2009/11/9 Ben Scott mailvor...@gmail.commailto:mailvor...@gmail.com On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 3:58 PM, tbarnh...@rcrh.orgmailto:tbarnh...@rcrh.org wrote: I thought we were still months out on these. Is this correct that this is the RTM? http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=exchange+2010+rtm -- Ben CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. This email and any attached files are confidential and intended solely for the intended recipient(s). If you are not the named recipient you should not read, distribute, copy or alter this email. Any views or opinions expressed in this email are those of the author and do not represent those of the company. Warning: Although precautions have been taken to make sure no viruses are present in this email, the company cannot accept responsibility for any loss or damage that arise from the use of this email or attachments. ** Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. ** CONFIDENTIALITY STATEMENT: The information transmitted, or contained or attached to or with this Notice is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain Protected Health Information (PHI), confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, transmission, dissemination, or other use of, and taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient without the express written consent of the sender are prohibited. This information may be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA), and other Federal and Florida laws. Improper or unauthorized use or disclosure of this information could result in civil and/or criminal penalties. Consider the environment. Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to.
