RE: MS licensing???
Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/http://certificatesforexchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/http://domainsforexchange.net/ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
My understanding is that you will have to buy both because in order to have an exchange mailbox regardless of how it is accessed you have to have an AD user to which the mailbox is linked. To have an AD user you need a core cal for each and also an exchange cal for each mailbox. The only other workaround you can do so that your laptop users have corporate email ADDRESSES is to get them all gmail accounts and in ex2007 create contact objects for each. This will give them a [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] email address that exchange will receive mail for. On each of the contact objects you have to assign a smtp email address, in there you just put the gmail address. Everything that comes into their corporate address will come in and be in essence forwarded to gmail. The users can POP to gmail with a reply to address in their clients of their corporate address. To outside users it will not even look as if they are using gmail at all. Of course if you want to be able to backup or have access to these users mail if they delete something or leave the company it will not be possible in this scenario unless you as IT administrator create the gmail boxes and have the users sign an agreement that anything contained in those mailboxes is company property and should be used for company related blah blah blah and you as IT administrator manage the login accounts to those mailboxes. Its messy...but possible. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE Windows Systems Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
The PUR - Product Use Rights - document discusses a very similar situation. As Simon says (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), the most expensive option is the correct one. Any time you authenticate a user against Windows, you must have a CAL. Doesn't matter if it is POP, HTTP, or filesharing. Or whatever else. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS licensing??? Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ _ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: MS licensing???
Hmm, Interesting. I would much rather keep all the mail on my server but if I can't get management to pay for it this might be an option.. The one problem I see with this is when they send email it states its coming from @gmail.com instead of @mycompany.com Thanks On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Ehren Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that you will have to buy both because in order to have an exchange mailbox regardless of how it is accessed you have to have an AD user to which the mailbox is linked. To have an AD user you need a core cal for each and also an exchange cal for each mailbox. The only other workaround you can do so that your laptop users have corporate email ADDRESSES is to get them all gmail accounts and in ex2007 create contact objects for each. This will give them a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address that exchange will receive mail for. On each of the contact objects you have to assign a smtp email address, in there you just put the gmail address. Everything that comes into their corporate address will come in and be in essence forwarded to gmail. The users can POP to gmail with a reply to address in their clients of their corporate address. To outside users it will not even look as if they are using gmail at all. Of course if you want to be able to backup or have access to these users mail if they delete something or leave the company it will not be possible in this scenario unless you as IT administrator create the gmail boxes and have the users sign an agreement that anything contained in those mailboxes is company property and should be used for company related blah blah blah and you as IT administrator manage the login accounts to those mailboxes. Its messy…but possible. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE *Windows Systems Administrator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 *From:* Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to *my lawyer* to get clarification on how to interpret *Their license*.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: MS licensing???
I will have to play with this Very Nice! On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ehren Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NO it would not, that is why you would set the reply to address in the client to the email address they would have on the corporate mail server, then it would appear as if it came from that and when the recipient replies it will GO to that, all the gmail happenings will go on in the background and outsiders will be none the wiser…unless they snoop into the headers J I have done this before and it works fine if you're on a budget. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE *Windows Systems Administrator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 *From:* Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:39 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* Re: MS licensing??? Hmm, Interesting. I would much rather keep all the mail on my server but if I can't get management to pay for it this might be an option.. The one problem I see with this is when they send email it states its coming from @gmail.com instead of @mycompany.com Thanks On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Ehren Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My understanding is that you will have to buy both because in order to have an exchange mailbox regardless of how it is accessed you have to have an AD user to which the mailbox is linked. To have an AD user you need a core cal for each and also an exchange cal for each mailbox. The only other workaround you can do so that your laptop users have corporate email ADDRESSES is to get them all gmail accounts and in ex2007 create contact objects for each. This will give them a [EMAIL PROTECTED] address that exchange will receive mail for. On each of the contact objects you have to assign a smtp email address, in there you just put the gmail address. Everything that comes into their corporate address will come in and be in essence forwarded to gmail. The users can POP to gmail with a reply to address in their clients of their corporate address. To outside users it will not even look as if they are using gmail at all. Of course if you want to be able to backup or have access to these users mail if they delete something or leave the company it will not be possible in this scenario unless you as IT administrator create the gmail boxes and have the users sign an agreement that anything contained in those mailboxes is company property and should be used for company related blah blah blah and you as IT administrator manage the login accounts to those mailboxes. Its messy…but possible. Ehren J. Benson, MCSE *Windows Systems Administrator* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 517-884-5469 *From:* Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:06 AM *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues *Subject:* MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to *my lawyer* to get clarification on how to interpret *Their license*.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
Yes. That's why I said Windows and not AD. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: MS licensing??? Is that still true if you use local accounts instead of AD? On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PUR - Product Use Rights - document discusses a very similar situation. As Simon says (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), the most expensive option is the correct one. Any time you authenticate a user against Windows, you must have a CAL. Doesn't matter if it is POP, HTTP, or filesharing. Or whatever else. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS licensing??? Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ _ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
Exchange is tied to AD, so regardless you have to authenticate with a username and pw at the server level hence a Windows CAL + Exchange Cal. From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:42 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: MS licensing??? Is that still true if you use local accounts instead of AD? On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Michael B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The PUR - Product Use Rights - document discusses a very similar situation. As Simon says (HAHAHAHAHAHAHA), the most expensive option is the correct one. Any time you authenticate a user against Windows, you must have a CAL. Doesn't matter if it is POP, HTTP, or filesharing. Or whatever else. Regards, Michael B. Smith MCITP:SA,EMA/MCSE/Exchange MVP http://TheEssentialExchange.com From: Simon Butler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 10:28 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: MS licensing??? Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
Re: MS licensing???
I thought it was much simpler than that - open wallet, empty on table, get loan for 10% more. On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Simon Butler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the licensing rules... 1. Get three opinions, at least one must be from Microsoft. 2. Get it in writing. 3. The most expensive option will be the correct one. What I tell clients is that in most respects, the number of machines = number of CALs. You cannot have Exchange CALs only as the users are accessing the server - which means they need a Windows CAL. Therefore you will need to have both Windows and Exchange CALs for all of those users. Although if you are deploying Exchange 2007 why are you using POP3? Use Outlook Anywhere/RPC over HTTPS! POP3 is an awful protocol. Simon. -- Simon Butler MVP: Exchange, MCSE Amset IT Solutions Ltd. e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.amset.co.uk w: www.amset.info Need cheap certificates for Exchange, compatible with Windows Mobile 5.0? http://CertificatesForExchange.com/ for certificates from just $23.99. Need a domain for your certificate? http://DomainsForExchange.net/ From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 August 2008 15:06 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: MS licensing??? I have called Microsoft twice and both people I have talked to were clueless about the licensing scenario I'm going to ask you guys. One of the licensing guys I talked to said that he could not answer my question and that I should talk to my lawyer to get clarification on how to interpret Their license.. Redoing my company's network. Moving from sbs 2003 to Server 2008 with exchange 2007. I have about 75 internal users that need the typical access to 2008 AD and Exchange 2007. I have about 50 users that are field users that have laptops. Each laptop user ONLY needs email access and is currently not on the domain. They all belong to a workgroup. These laptops will stay in workgroups. I would like each of these 50 Users to pull POP3 from my exchange server. So what kind of license do i need to buy? CORE CAL and Exchange CAL or can I get away with just an Exchange CAL since their computers will not belong to the domain? My guess is that we will have to buy both but was hopeing that we could only purchase the exchange CAL. Anyone have an awnwer? Is there an easier way to licnese this? Management does not want to pay the 5k for these users just so that they can get pop3 on the new exchange box. Thanks Matt ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing???
From: Matt Plahtinsky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MS licensing??? I will have to play with this Very Nice! That is what Shook says to TVK! J Webster ~ Ninja Email Security with Cloudmark Spam Engine Gets Image Spam ~ ~ http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Ninja~
RE: MS licensing
Speaking of licensing. I know this has been in here before, so I plan on searching the archives, but if anyone who hasn't talked about this recently feels like explaining to me how they've handled the threat letter from Microsoft regarding licensing, I'd appreciate it. Our 30 days are counting and I'm wondering what happens if you ignore them? Has anyone done that? Just curious. Of course I'm going on vacation during this 30-day time period too, so I even have less time. -Original Message- From: Patrick Smallwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:19 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:MS licensing web seminar I know we have beat this subject up over the past few months, but thought some might find this useful: http://www.microsoft.com/usa/webcasts/upcoming/778.asp Event Description: Want to make sure you're getting the most for your money with Microsoft products? Do you have questions about Microsoft licensing policies? Here's your chance to get caught up on everything in the licensing world for our corporate customers. Heather Burton, Licensing Manager for the Microsoft Rocky Mountain District, will be presenting Everything you wanted to know about Microsoft Licensing but were afraid to ask. If licensing is part of your job, you'll want to be sure to attend this informative session. This session is focused on corporate customers and would not be appropriate for academic or government customers. Thank you, Patrick List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
