RE: ORBZ shutting down.
For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
You can do testing here http://www.abuse.net/relay.html As for ORBZ, don't let the door his you in a** on the way out. -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
::HIGH FIVE:: -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. HURAH! HURRAH! HURRAH! John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
Agreed. I think Roger had a very well written post on ORBZ this morning on the NTSysadmin list. -Jim Jim Holmgren MCSE, CCNA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Network Engineer Advertising.com We bring innovation to interactive communication. Advertising.com -- Superior Technology. Superior Performance. -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. You can do testing here http://www.abuse.net/relay.html As for ORBZ, don't let the door his you in a** on the way out. -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm *** The information transmitted in this email is intended only for the person(s) or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this email in error, please contact the sender and permanently delete the email from any computer. List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
And for those of us who pretty much dislike them, Yeah! -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
Never mind that the town government was using a buggy version of the Lotus Domino e-mail server, and that newer releases have fixed the problem. And never mind that anti-spammers may have been conducting a routine scan for possible sources of bulk e-mail. What gave them the right to scan their mail server in the first place? You wouldn't put up with port scans from some script kiddy. Why should we put up with this crap from anyone else? -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:36 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. Here is the scoop on what transpired... http://www.wired.com/news/business/0%2C1367%2C51218%2C00.html -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. You can do testing here http://www.abuse.net/relay.html As for ORBZ, don't let the door his you in a** on the way out. -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
Ding Dong the witch is dead. The wicked witch... --- Ed Santiago [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is the scoop on what transpired... http://www.wired.com/news/business/0%2C1367%2C51218%2C00.html -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:34 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. You can do testing here http://www.abuse.net/relay.html As for ORBZ, don't let the door his you in a** on the way out. -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards® http://movies.yahoo.com/ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
Now, should anyone take umbrage at my apparent glee over the legal troubles of a fellow computer professional, let me try to explain. 1. I do not like spam, either the real kind from a can, or the type received in an inbox. 2. I applaud any attempt to try and make it as difficult as possible for a bulk mailer to steal services on other peoples mail machines to send their unwanted junk mail. 3. HOWEVER, I do not, and never have, appreciated the I AM GOD and if you don't like it go FSCK yourself attitude of the ORBZ operator. No notification to the admin of the offending mail server, just BOOP, you're on the list and you pay hell trying to get off the silly thing. 4. RTBL's sometimes are a good service, this one was just poorly executed. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. ::HIGH FIVE:: -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. HURAH! HURRAH! HURRAH! John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
Very Good point! A simple email or phone call to the admin explaining what was happening would have prevented much of his aggravation. He took matters on his own. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. Now, should anyone take umbrage at my apparent glee over the legal troubles of a fellow computer professional, let me try to explain. 1. I do not like spam, either the real kind from a can, or the type received in an inbox. 2. I applaud any attempt to try and make it as difficult as possible for a bulk mailer to steal services on other peoples mail machines to send their unwanted junk mail. 3. HOWEVER, I do not, and never have, appreciated the I AM GOD and if you don't like it go FSCK yourself attitude of the ORBZ operator. No notification to the admin of the offending mail server, just BOOP, you're on the list and you pay hell trying to get off the silly thing. 4. RTBL's sometimes are a good service, this one was just poorly executed. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. ::HIGH FIVE:: -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. HURAH! HURRAH! HURRAH! John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
I would agree. Plus they were never willing to work with the admin. It was either their way or the highway. -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:12 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. Very Good point! A simple email or phone call to the admin explaining what was happening would have prevented much of his aggravation. He took matters on his own. -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:08 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. Now, should anyone take umbrage at my apparent glee over the legal troubles of a fellow computer professional, let me try to explain. 1. I do not like spam, either the real kind from a can, or the type received in an inbox. 2. I applaud any attempt to try and make it as difficult as possible for a bulk mailer to steal services on other peoples mail machines to send their unwanted junk mail. 3. HOWEVER, I do not, and never have, appreciated the I AM GOD and if you don't like it go FSCK yourself attitude of the ORBZ operator. No notification to the admin of the offending mail server, just BOOP, you're on the list and you pay hell trying to get off the silly thing. 4. RTBL's sometimes are a good service, this one was just poorly executed. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. ::HIGH FIVE:: -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. HURAH! HURRAH! HURRAH! John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
I wish they put as much energy into catching the spammers as they do bothering us. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. And for those of us who pretty much dislike them, Yeah! -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
I have to admit to seeing some irony in that, but to be honest, even Sunbelt ended up on one of these lists, and had a hell of a time getting it corrected. Anti spam is good, playing God in the name of anti spam is very very bad. The old ORBS contacted me a few years ago, and I admit to having Exchange 5.5 incorrectly configured. Their email prompted me to correct this, and that is doing the internet a service. Arbitrarily blacklisting someone, or making unauthorised connections to their system seem to me to be the actions of someone who needs to feel a sensation of power, while hiding under the guise of doing a good service. While I really don't like getting 17 emails a day about Girls and horses, I am confused about the whole spam thing: reason? Check your mail at home every day. People pay local newspapers, or kids to spread the paper equivalent around daily, which to me is worse, because while internet spam chews up bandwidth, paper spam kills trees, and fills up garbage dumps with the plastic some of it is wrapped in. No one seems to be up in arms over that. (Don't get me wrong, I don't like receiving spam either, but am taking a slightly different perspective on things) At the end of the day, if my bandwidth is getting choked I can still breath :-) I don't know that email spam will ever go away, the practice of getting information on people, and selling the list dates back well before world wide email. Just remember that before you fill in a free draw for a vacation! -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: March 21, 2002 3:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. I wish they put as much energy into catching the spammers as they do bothering us. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. And for those of us who pretty much dislike them, Yeah! -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.338 / Virus Database: 189 - Release Date: 3/14/2002 List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
We also got on the old ORBS list when 5.5 was first set up here. Actually as it turned out it was a good learning experience for me - my first real introduction to a mail server relay (learning the hard way - ouch) -- but my apologies to whoever got spammed via our server and had the inclination to nominate us for the relay testing and the illustrious distinction of being on the ORBS potential relay database. I'm very glad that we were notified by ORBS, and that getting off that list was pretty easy for us (one e-mail and within a short time we were OK). The ORBS person I contacted even provided some extra help in terms of understanding/interpreting some of the docs on securing a relay. Wasn't there a feud between ORBS and the apparently less friendly MAPS service back then, and lots of other RBL-related crap going on? ORBS once helped us out, but does the result justify the means? I'm not sure, but we don't use any of the RBL services for filtering email. To just chop the legs out from under someone for not toeing the line?... I mean, just who's line is it anyway? Spam is easy for us to vaporize. I have more to worry about with the several thousand flyers that the neighbourhood kids were supposed to deliver but opted to stash under the trees in the park all winter so we can all enjoy them as they now get wind-blown all over our streets. Wish there was a delete key for that stuff -Original Message- From: Clayton [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:56 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. I have to admit to seeing some irony in that, but to be honest, even Sunbelt ended up on one of these lists, and had a hell of a time getting it corrected. Anti spam is good, playing God in the name of anti spam is very very bad. The old ORBS contacted me a few years ago, and I admit to having Exchange 5.5 incorrectly configured. Their email prompted me to correct this, and that is doing the internet a service. Arbitrarily blacklisting someone, or making unauthorised connections to their system seem to me to be the actions of someone who needs to feel a sensation of power, while hiding under the guise of doing a good service. While I really don't like getting 17 emails a day about Girls and horses, I am confused about the whole spam thing: reason? Check your mail at home every day. People pay local newspapers, or kids to spread the paper equivalent around daily, which to me is worse, because while internet spam chews up bandwidth, paper spam kills trees, and fills up garbage dumps with the plastic some of it is wrapped in. No one seems to be up in arms over that. (Don't get me wrong, I don't like receiving spam either, but am taking a slightly different perspective on things) At the end of the day, if my bandwidth is getting choked I can still breath :-) I don't know that email spam will ever go away, the practice of getting information on people, and selling the list dates back well before world wide email. Just remember that before you fill in a free draw for a vacation! -Original Message- From: Scot Parsons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: March 21, 2002 3:45 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. I wish they put as much energy into catching the spammers as they do bothering us. -Original Message- From: Ray Zorz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:40 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. And for those of us who pretty much dislike them, Yeah! -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 11:31 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However
RE: ORBZ shutting down.
Here here. In addition after a system makes a change it takes ORBS up to 72 hours to release it. That is unacceptable. BTW, only Exchange Admins can claim to be GOD. ellery july phone - 651-225-3895 -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:08 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. Now, should anyone take umbrage at my apparent glee over the legal troubles of a fellow computer professional, let me try to explain. 1. I do not like spam, either the real kind from a can, or the type received in an inbox. 2. I applaud any attempt to try and make it as difficult as possible for a bulk mailer to steal services on other peoples mail machines to send their unwanted junk mail. 3. HOWEVER, I do not, and never have, appreciated the I AM GOD and if you don't like it go FSCK yourself attitude of the ORBZ operator. No notification to the admin of the offending mail server, just BOOP, you're on the list and you pay hell trying to get off the silly thing. 4. RTBL's sometimes are a good service, this one was just poorly executed. John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Martin Blackstone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:34 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. ::HIGH FIVE:: -Original Message- From: John Matteson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:33 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. HURAH! HURRAH! HURRAH! John Matteson; Exchange Manager Geac Corporate Infrastructure Systems and Standards (404) 239 - 2981 If I could wish for my life to be perfect, it would be tempting but I would have to decline, for life would no longer teach me anything. --Allyson Jones -Original Message- From: Ed Santiago [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 1:31 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: ORBZ shutting down. For those that have been doing relay testing with ORBZ. Here is some sad news. From: ORBZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:20:25 + To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ORBZ-Secondary] Shutdown From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Mar 20 12:01:39 2002 User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22.1i Here's the email that those of you with forward sight have been fearing since the inception of ORBZ. As of this moment, ORBZ is shutting down. DNS zones are going to stop resolving, the website will disappear and mail will stop working (so furthur discussion on this list probably won't work -- use NANAE). I dont want to disappear in silence like ORBS, so I'll try for as much description as possible without compromising my own position. I received an official court notice this afternoon to turn over all information relation to ORBZ accounts. This came from the 10th Judicial District court of the State of Michigan. It appears that ORBZ may be facing criminal charges for denial of service relating to the Lotus Domino issue. I was happy to try to weather any civil issues that may have come up, and I was committed to seeing it through. However, the threat of jail time is too much; I don't believe in this fight quite that much. Thank you all for all your support. I sincerely hope that someone with the goal of carrying on the mission of ORBZ pops up in another country with a less foreboding legal system. Anyone who has copies of the current zones may do with them what they wish. For those of you stuck without good spam filtering, please consider ORDB and SpamCop; they both provide excellent free solutions. Ian Gulliver ORBZ List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: Orbz
Same thing, renamed, AFAIK. M - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Orbz ps. this is ORBZ not ORBS which was IIRC shut down. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - These are the good kind of mushrooms. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz They don't say anything. They don't reply to email, remember? Drew (MOS) KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net Same old rules: no eyes, no groin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz What do they say when you ask them how to get off the list. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Doglet: A dog so small it can be terrorized by an average-sized cat. - -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill Higgins Lead NT Systems Engineer (415) 402-3444 office (415) 720-7053 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Orbz
I'm not sure about that. The addy for ORBZ is in NY. Wasn't ORBS in NZ or Australia? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - WARNING: The consumption of alcohol may cause you to tell your friends over and over again that you love them. - -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Orbz Same thing, renamed, AFAIK. M - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Orbz ps. this is ORBZ not ORBS which was IIRC shut down. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - These are the good kind of mushrooms. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz They don't say anything. They don't reply to email, remember? Drew (MOS) KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net Same old rules: no eyes, no groin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz What do they say when you ask them how to get off the list. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Doglet: A dog so small it can be terrorized by an average-sized cat. - -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill Higgins Lead NT Systems Engineer (415) 402-3444 office (415) 720-7053 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Orbz
I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us. Anybody have a good list of which are the sites that do this blocking stuff. What a pain. Joseph Radar Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Orbz Hey, Bill, check out this page: http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php quote Use this page to report a closed relay. The host that you report will be removed from our blackhole list and added to our queue for testing. It will then be marked as clean if it does not allow relaying, or readded to one or more of our lists if it does. /quote -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. - -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Orbz Same thing, renamed, AFAIK. M - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Orbz ps. this is ORBZ not ORBS which was IIRC shut down. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - These are the good kind of mushrooms. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz They don't say anything. They don't reply to email, remember? Drew (MOS) KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net Same old rules: no eyes, no groin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz What do they say when you ask them how to get off the list. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Doglet: A dog so small it can be terrorized by an average-sized cat. - -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill Higgins Lead NT Systems Engineer (415) 402-3444 office (415) 720-7053 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com
RE: Orbz
Individual mail admins can block on their own, even without using one of the blackhole lists. Also check www.mail-abuse.org to make sure you're not in their RBL. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I can make this light before it changes. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us. Anybody have a good list of which are the sites that do this blocking stuff. What a pain. Joseph Radar Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Orbz Hey, Bill, check out this page: http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php quote Use this page to report a closed relay. The host that you report will be removed from our blackhole list and added to our queue for testing. It will then be marked as clean if it does not allow relaying, or readded to one or more of our lists if it does. /quote -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. - -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Orbz Same thing, renamed, AFAIK. M - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Orbz ps. this is ORBZ not ORBS which was IIRC shut down. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - These are the good kind of mushrooms. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz They don't say anything. They don't reply to email, remember? Drew (MOS) KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net Same old rules: no eyes, no groin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz What do they say when you ask them how to get off the list. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Doglet: A dog so small it can be terrorized by an average-sized cat. - -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill
RE: Orbz
I have been watching my IMS queue. I haven't found any from ORBZ but from ORBS Mail-abuse, RBS or something like that and two others I just can't remember. I haven't had a problem with them removing me from there lists, usually takes less than a day and usually in a few hours. I don't like the fact that you get black listed and you are not notified. And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. I know I can't fight it, but it is the way it is. Joseph Radar Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Orbz Individual mail admins can block on their own, even without using one of the blackhole lists. Also check www.mail-abuse.org to make sure you're not in their RBL. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I can make this light before it changes. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us. Anybody have a good list of which are the sites that do this blocking stuff. What a pain. Joseph Radar Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:RE: Orbz Hey, Bill, check out this page: http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php quote Use this page to report a closed relay. The host that you report will be removed from our blackhole list and added to our queue for testing. It will then be marked as clean if it does not allow relaying, or readded to one or more of our lists if it does. /quote -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing at the right time, but also to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. - -Original Message- From: missy koslosky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:30 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Re: Orbz Same thing, renamed, AFAIK. M - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:38 AM Subject: RE: Orbz ps. this is ORBZ not ORBS which was IIRC shut down. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - These are the good kind of mushrooms. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: Drewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:32 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz They don't say anything. They don't reply to email, remember? Drew (MOS) KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net Same old rules: no eyes, no groin. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 4:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz What do they say when you ask them how to get off the list. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Doglet: A dog so small it can be terrorized by an average-sized cat. - -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 1:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you
RE: Orbz
Title: RE: Orbz Aren't there legal consequences to this? I think your ISP could drop you as a customer as well. I had an open relay while I was a customer of Verio. They told me to fix it or make preparations to have Inet Access dropped. -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:02 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Orbz What are the consequences of an open relay? I know of one that I cannot get them to change because one users wants to send email from his home account. It makes me angry but they will not listen. Maybe if I show them some valid reason other than being black listed they might wake up. Jim Zangara, MCSE+I Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:55 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. When your system is configured as an open relay, then spammers are able to steal your resources and use them to steal other people's resources. They're not forcing anyone to use their lists - the lists are available as a service only. The people who use those lists have chosen not to receive mail from open relays. They're merely protecting their own property from misguided and/or malicious property owners/caretakers such as those who run open relays. You are free to ignore them, if you wish. But you must be prepared to deal with the consequences if you do. BTW, Siegfried, how's that Event Sink coming to allow E2K to use the RBL? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggie!"... Till you can find a rock. - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I have been watching my IMS queue. I haven't found any from ORBZ but from ORBS Mail-abuse, RBS or something like that and two others I just can't remember. I haven't had a problem with them removing me from there lists, usually takes less than a day and usually in a few hours. I don't like the fact that you get black listed and you are not notified. And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. I know I can't fight it, but it is the way it is. Joseph "Radar" Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz Individual mail admins can block on their own, even without using one of the "blackhole" lists. Also check www.mail-abuse.org to make sure you're not in their RBL. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I can make this light before it changes. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us. Anybody have a good list of which are the sites that do this blocking stuff. What a pain. Joseph "Radar" Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz Hey, Bill, check out this page: http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php quote Use this page to report a closed relay. The host that you report will be removed from our blackhole list and added to our queue for testing. It will then be marked as clean if it does not allow relaying, or readded to one or more of our lists if it does. /quote -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpitul
RE: Orbz
Title: RE: Orbz If you follow the instructions in this article, your user should still be able to do what s/he needs to do and you will be secure. http://www.exchangeadmin.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=7696also available here:http://downloads.members.tripod.com/ladysun1969/misc/relay.tif -MichèleImmigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Floggings will continue until morale improves ! - -Original Message-From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 3:02 PMTo: MS-Exchange Admin IssuesSubject: RE: Orbz What are the consequences of an open relay? I know of one that I cannot get them to change because one users wants to send email from his home account. It makes me angry but they will not listen. Maybe if I show them some valid reason other than being black listed they might wake up. Jim Zangara, MCSE+I Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:55 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. When your system is configured as an open relay, then spammers are able to steal your resources and use them to steal other people's resources. They're not forcing anyone to use their lists - the lists are available as a service only. The people who use those lists have chosen not to receive mail from open relays. They're merely protecting their own property from misguided and/or malicious property owners/caretakers such as those who run open relays. You are free to ignore them, if you wish. But you must be prepared to deal with the consequences if you do. BTW, Siegfried, how's that Event Sink coming to allow E2K to use the RBL? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Diplomacy is the art of saying "nice doggie!"... Till you can find a rock. - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I have been watching my IMS queue. I haven't found any from ORBZ but from ORBS Mail-abuse, RBS or something like that and two others I just can't remember. I haven't had a problem with them removing me from there lists, usually takes less than a day and usually in a few hours. I don't like the fact that you get black listed and you are not notified. And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. I know I can't fight it, but it is the way it is. Joseph "Radar" Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz Individual mail admins can block on their own, even without using one of the "blackhole" lists. Also check www.mail-abuse.org to make sure you're not in their RBL. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I can make this light before it changes. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us. Anybody have a good list of which are the sites that do this blocking stuff. What a pain. Joseph "Radar" Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 10:37 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz Hey, Bill, check out this page: http://www.orbz.org/sysadmin-darkside.php quote Use this page to report a closed relay. The host that you report will be removed from our blackhole list and added to our queue for testing. It will then be marked as clean if it does not allow relaying, or readded to one or more of our lists if it does.
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Title: RE: Orbz Sorry - should have been more specific. Not my exchange server. Client's pop3 ipswitch server set wide open for relay. Not on my network at all. Jerk of a client I am probably going to drop but I hate walking away from something that is half a**ed set up. Owner wants to send and receive his ixnet.com account from his office and won't take no for an answer. Maybe if his corporate email starts bouncing Jim Zangara, MCSE+I Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Dennis Atherton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:16 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz VPN from home, or OWA. You will not be able to send or receive mail from 20 % of population, if you are on Open Relay List. -Original Message- From: Zangara, Jim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:02 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz What are the consequences of an open relay? I know of one that I cannot get them to change because one users wants to send email from his home account. It makes me angry but they will not listen. Maybe if I show them some valid reason other than being black listed they might wake up. Jim Zangara, MCSE+I Special Projects Engineer Premiere Radio Networks A Division of Clear Channel Communications 15260 Ventura Blvd Suite 500 Sherman Oaks, CA 91403 Direct: (818) 461-8620 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:55 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. When your system is configured as an open relay, then spammers are able to steal your resources and use them to steal other people's resources. They're not forcing anyone to use their lists - the lists are available as a service only. The people who use those lists have chosen not to receive mail from open relays. They're merely protecting their own property from misguided and/or malicious property owners/caretakers such as those who run open relays. You are free to ignore them, if you wish. But you must be prepared to deal with the consequences if you do. BTW, Siegfried, how's that Event Sink coming to allow E2K to use the RBL? -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - Diplomacy is the art of saying nice doggie!... Till you can find a rock. - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:38 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I have been watching my IMS queue. I haven't found any from ORBZ but from ORBS Mail-abuse, RBS or something like that and two others I just can't remember. I haven't had a problem with them removing me from there lists, usually takes less than a day and usually in a few hours. I don't like the fact that you get black listed and you are not notified. And I also don't like the fact that some outside organization is determining how we as admins set up our systems. I know I can't fight it, but it is the way it is. Joseph Radar Mann, MCT, MCSE x4550 epage [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:16 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz Individual mail admins can block on their own, even without using one of the blackhole lists. Also check www.mail-abuse.org to make sure you're not in their RBL. -Michèle Immigration site: http://LadySun1969.tripod.com http://LadySun1969.tripod.com Our new 2001 Miata: http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley http://members.cardomain.com/bpituley Tiggercam: http://www.tiggercam.co.uk http://www.tiggercam.co.uk - I can make this light before it changes. - Famous Last Words - -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 2:10 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I found a junior admin had opened us up. I fixed it, twice, fixed the Junior Admin once, and am still finding sites that blocks us
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I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill Higgins Lead NT Systems Engineer (415) 402-3444 office (415) 720-7053 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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When I think of RBL's, the words Net Nazis comes to mind. With them, you are guilty till proven innocent, and then still guilty. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:54 AM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill Higgins Lead NT Systems Engineer (415) 402-3444 office (415) 720-7053 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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yes, they're very unpleasant that way. Drew (MOS) KWAR2001 website: www.schoolofdefence.org/kwar.html Read my Column on OUTLOOKEXCHANGE.COM: http://www.outlookexchange.com/articles/drewnicholson/default.asp Pics of Max are BACK! http://www.drewncapris.net A state without the means of change is without the means of its own conservation. - Edmund Burke -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz You are correct (I tested it, hope you don't mind). I don't know how you got on the list. You have to contact them to get off the list. It's totally automated though, so good luck. -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Orbz Anyone had any dealings with these guys? http://www.orbz.org They say that my gateway machines are an open relay. We are using the SMTP service out of the NT 4.0 Option Pack, SP6A I know I have them configured to only relay messages for our internal servers. Bill Higgins Lead NT Systems Engineer (415) 402-3444 office (415) 720-7053 cell [EMAIL PROTECTED] List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
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William [1] It seems to be a side effect of using WLBS to load balance the Microsoft SMTP service. It's a nice side effect to have... [1] Hi William! -Original Message- From: Lefkovics, William [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 14:02 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz An SMTP connection from an SMTP server is very much like the telnet conversation done with the SMTP commands. I tried last night as well. The telnet connection is made, so you didn't 'block' it; however, SMTP commands from the telnet session are not replied to. How did you prevent that? William Lefkovics, WLKMMAS, MCSE, A+ (Hi Bill!) -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Sent: 8/25/01 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Orbz That was the plan... Telnet to our gateway is not allowed... only an SMTP server can connect... -Original Message- From: Siegfried Weber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:32 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz I just opened a telnet session to smtpgate.buzzsaw.com on port 25 (and smtpgatent1.buzzsaw.com on port 25) to test for an open relay but all I got back is: 220-**2**200 ***2*2** 2***0*00 220 * And even a helo command didn't gave me anything. So it looks like you are very secure. Siegfried / -Original Message- From: Bill Higgins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 7:54 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Orbz I don't mind you testing, When you say I am correct, you mean correct, your machines are configured not to relay I have been in email contact with Orbz, and their basic responce is f*ck you, if you are on our list, you have an open relay, we don't have to prove anything to you. -Original Message- From: David James [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 10:55 To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Orbz List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
