RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Michael B. Smith 
How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. I've 
had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience I've 
seen it go both ways.

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Re: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Jonathan Link 
It could be small, or it could be big.

IRS 7216 was updated to match current market trends in efiling, outsourcing,
etc for tax preparers.  It covers the disclosure of tax return information.
What is tax return information?  Information on the return, such as name and
address.  Is it stupid to be concerned about that?  Sure, but no one wants
to be the firm that ends up testing this in court.  Yes, there's an argument
that address information could be acquired through other methods, but that
isn't the point...



On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small.
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the
> audience I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Campbell, Rob 
I think the major concern is that there was an unauthorized access of one 
client's data by another client.  

That is was "just an address book" doesn't really do much to repair that loss 
of confidence.

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How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. I've 
had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience I've 
seen it go both ways.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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Re: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Jonathan Link 
And then having to report to clients that you've had a data breach...
What's the attendant damage going to be from that?

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Campbell, Rob <
rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net> wrote:

> I think the major concern is that there was an unauthorized access of one
> client's data by another client.
>
> That is was "just an address book" doesn't really do much to repair that
> loss of confidence.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:16 PM
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> Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...
>
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small.
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the
> audience I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
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> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Don Andrews 
I think there can be LOTs more than just email address, name & address in there.


From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
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It could be small, or it could be big.

IRS 7216 was updated to match current market trends in efiling, outsourcing, 
etc for tax preparers.  It covers the disclosure of tax return information.  
What is tax return information?  Information on the return, such as name and 
address.  Is it stupid to be concerned about that?  Sure, but no one wants to 
be the firm that ends up testing this in court.  Yes, there's an argument that 
address information could be acquired through other methods, but that isn't the 
point...



On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. I've 
had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience I've 
seen it go both ways.

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Consultant and Exchange MVP
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Re: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Jonathan Link 
In the context of an address book, those are the two common items between an
address book and a tax return...  And yes, more items are stored in the
address book than those...

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Don Andrews wrote:

>  I think there can be LOTs more than just email address, name & address in
> there.
>
>
>  --
>
> *From:* Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:27 PM
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: Um, Ouch...
>
>
>
> It could be small, or it could be big.
>
>
>
> IRS 7216 was updated to match current market trends in efiling,
> outsourcing, etc for tax preparers.  It covers the disclosure of tax return
> information.  What is tax return information?  Information on the return,
> such as name and address.  Is it stupid to be concerned about that?  Sure,
> but no one wants to be the firm that ends up testing this in court.  Yes,
> there's an argument that address information could be acquired through other
> methods, but that isn't the point...
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small.
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the
> audience I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
> 
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Carl Houseman 
Today an address book.  Tomorrow... ?  This is just a teaser of things to
come.

Carl

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small.
I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the
audience I've seen it go both ways.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Roger Scudder 
The thought of having an address book stolen would be very upsetting to any
of my clients.  In fact this is exactly the sort of thing that keeps me
working maintaining in-house servers.

Roger Scudder

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Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:16 PM
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Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small.
I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the
audience I've seen it go both ways.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Kurt Buff 
Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's
going to be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of
external contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your
internal hierarchy can be pretty dang interesting too, if you're
looking to hire away staff from a competitor, or understand
decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-22 Thread Webster 
> So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

I am surprised Citrix didn't Trademark the phrase "It Depends" since that is 
the answer to almost any question related to Citrix!


Webster

> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...
> 
> Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going
> to be just an address book next time?
> 
> You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?
> 
> Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external
> contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy
> can be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from 
> a
> competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.
> 
> So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."


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Re: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread James Bensley 
On 23 December 2010 01:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?

I often write notes against contacts in my address book, admittedly
nothing sensitive but someone might do. You never know what people are
going to do, so the answer is very important. Any sane person like you
or me would just stored contact details in it, but I would bet money
that there are people out there (even if by accident or ignorance)
that have put sensitive data in an address book entry.

-- 
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Vigesimal, and J others...?

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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Maglinger, Paul 
Think of it as a proof of concept.

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:16 PM
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How important is an address book?

I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. I've 
had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience I've 
seen it go both ways.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith 
I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Matt Moore 
I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
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> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Campbell, Rob 
Is there any chance some of that might be caused by unrealistic expectations 
from the customer, resulting from sales reps promising it will be "just like 
having your own Exchange servers"?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
>
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread KevinM 
The sooner BPOS gets to 2010 the sooner it will be a stable service... They 
can't get there soon enough if you ask me. 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith 
Of course. Who reads the fine print?

The issues have been known since MCIS (who remembers that? - Microsoft 
Commercial Internet Services) 1.0 and were scheduled to be addressed in MCIS 
2.0 - also known as Mercury. The project got canned, and instead MANY of those 
capabilities got built into Exchange 2000. But not all.

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-Original Message-
From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 12:07 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

Is there any chance some of that might be caused by unrealistic expectations 
from the customer, resulting from sales reps promising it will be "just like 
having your own Exchange servers"?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
>
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Matt Moore 
BINGO

-Original Message-
From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:07 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

Is there any chance some of that might be caused by unrealistic expectations 
from the customer, resulting from sales reps promising it will be "just like 
having your own Exchange servers"?

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 10:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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RE: Um, Ouch...

2010-12-23 Thread Matt Moore 
I'll second that!!!  Since I work in both environments (all three), I can 
say without a doubt that that life gets easy when 2007 goes away.  Most 
customers in D stop having trouble all together when they get migrated.  Corp 
almost runs itself and you can be rest assured  that it is the biggest testing 
ground in the world and a poster child of what not to do with exchange.

-Original Message-
From: KevinM [mailto:kev...@wlkmmas.org] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 9:12 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

The sooner BPOS gets to 2010 the sooner it will be a stable service... They 
can't get there soon enough if you ask me. 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Moore [mailto:mattmoore...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 8:59 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I'll have to second that.  There is quite an aggressive schedule for moving 
BPOS customers from 2007 to 2010.  Address books and PF's are things that were 
not in the original plan for the environment.  After a huge amount of 
complaining by customer's the code was re-written and they were added to the 
environment.  They are both a daily thorn as they take constant massaging.  The 
biggest challenge by far is staying ahead of the customers changes in AD.  I 
would have to say most of the cross domain fubars are caused by customers 
changing their AD and or silly requests that they demand and you all know the 
customer is always right.  

You can't protect people from themselves.

M 

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 6:32 AM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: Um, Ouch...

I wouldn't make any guarantees about anything. :-P

I'm aware that the biggest CHALLENGE in Exchange hosting, prior to the creation 
of hosting mode in Exchange 2010 sp1, was separation of address books. In fact, 
address book segregation is currently only supported in Exchange 2010 when you 
are in hosting mode.

There have always been problems with information leakage with address lists.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 10:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: Um, Ouch...

Regardless of your answer to that question, what makes you think it's going to 
be just an address book next time?

You aren't saying that there won't be a next time, are you?

Of course, if you're in a highly competitive industry, a list of external 
contacts can say a *lot*, and what it reveals about your internal hierarchy can 
be pretty dang interesting too, if you're looking to hire away staff from a 
competitor, or understand decision-making, etc.

So, the answer is, as usual, "It Depends."

Kurt

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 17:16, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> How important is an address book?
>
> I ask that question - seriously - because in my opinion it's pretty small. 
> I've had this discussion before, several times, and depending on the audience 
> I've seen it go both ways.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> 
> From: Kurt Buff [kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:03 PM
> To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> Subject: Um, Ouch...
>
> http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9202078/Microsoft_BPOS_cloud_se
> rvice_hit_with_data_breach?source=CTWNLE_nlt_pm_2010-12-22
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