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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith

The answer is: Direct Access.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Andrews [mailto:don.andr...@safeway.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:36 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I wonder if MS' answer is "gee, you don't need BES or RIM for that matter - 
just expose your mail system to the internet  - what? - can't get to your other 
intranet servers? - just expose them too - it should all be open" or 
something...


From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike more.  
MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not keeping up 
with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for other 
software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had the 
argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.


Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com<mailto:don@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
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From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net<mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com<mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-23 Thread Michael B. Smith

Hallelujah, brother.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:49 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I'm still not happy about the weird things the EMS does because it has to get 
all SOAPy and pretend there's a cloud between my workstation and the Exchange 
server in the next room.

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike more.  
MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not keeping up 
with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for other 
software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had the 
argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.


Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com<mailto:don@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
--
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From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net<mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com<mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Campbell, Rob

I'm still not happy about the weird things the EMS does because it has to get 
all SOAPy and pretend there's a cloud between my workstation and the Exchange 
server in the next room.

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike more.  
MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not keeping up 
with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for other 
software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had the 
argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com<mailto:don@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
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From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net<mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com<mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Don Andrews

I wonder if MS' answer is "gee, you don't need BES or RIM for that matter - 
just expose your mail system to the internet  - what? - can't get to your other 
intranet servers? - just expose them too - it should all be open" or 
something...

From: Don Ely [mailto:don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:23 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike more.  
MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not keeping up 
with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for other 
software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had the 
argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com<mailto:don@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
--
Sent using BlackBerry

From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net<mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com<mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Don Ely

I won't disagree...  I'm having a hard time determining who to dislike
more.  MS for pretty much rendering MAPI useless or the vendors for not
keeping up with MS...  It does piss me off that MS crippled MAPI support for
other software and they have no intention of going away from that plan.  Had
the argument with my TAM, PSS, and others...

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS
> doesn't provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have
> some challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to
> c#) and there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use
> LDAP if you aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.
>
>
>  Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>   --
> *From:* Don Ely [don@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>  Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have
> some time before this becomes an issue...
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow <
> damien.solo...@harrison.edu> wrote:
>
>> Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
>> --
>> Sent using BlackBerry
>>
>>
>>  *From*: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
>> *Sent*: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
>> *To*: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
>>  *Subject*: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>>
>>
>> Wasn’t RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit
>> using CDO?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
>> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>>
>>
>>
>> situation:
>>
>> mail=server1: exchange server 2010
>>
>> besx=server2: member server in domain
>>
>>
>>
>> Requirements:
>>
>> import and export mailbox data
>>
>> use BESx to update calendars
>>
>>
>>
>> Assumptions:
>>
>>  MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export
>> pst files
>>
>> RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function
>> correctly
>>
>>  Problem:
>>
>>  Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1
>>
>>
>>
>>  Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?
>>
>>
>>
>> RIM support says remove Outlook.
>>
>> MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,
>>
>>
>>
>> -Bill
>>
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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Michael B. Smith

The challenge (of course - at least from my perspective) is that EWS doesn't 
provide as many capabilities as the MAPI service. SO... they have some 
challenges. I've migrated several applications from MAPI to EWS (c++ to c#) and 
there are just some things you can't do in EWS - you have to use LDAP if you 
aren't using MAPI. This makes some things much more difficult.



Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Don Ely [don@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:08 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have some 
time before this becomes an issue...

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow 
mailto:damien.solo...@harrison.edu>> wrote:
Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
--
Sent using BlackBerry


From: Campbell, Rob 
[mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net<mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
mailto:exchangelist@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn’t RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com<mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Don Ely

Given that the EWS version is STILL not available, I would guess you have
some time before this becomes an issue...

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Damien Solodow  wrote:

>  Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;)
> --
> Sent using BlackBerry
>
>
>  *From*: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
> *Sent*: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
> *To*: MS-Exchange Admin Issues 
> *Subject*: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>
> Wasn’t RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using
> CDO?
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>
>
> situation:
>
> mail=server1: exchange server 2010
>
> besx=server2: member server in domain
>
>
>
> Requirements:
>
> import and export mailbox data
>
> use BESx to update calendars
>
>
>
> Assumptions:
>
>  MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export
> pst files
>
> RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function
> correctly
>
>  Problem:
>
>  Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1
>
>
>
>  Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?
>
>
>
> RIM support says remove Outlook.
>
> MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.
>
>
>
> Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,
>
>
>
> -Bill
>
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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Michael B. Smith

Yes.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 7:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Damien Solodow

Would be nice but it leaves pre 2007 Exchange shops SOL. ;) 
-- 
Sent using BlackBerry 

From: Campbell, Rob [mailto:rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 07:26 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues  
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010 

Wasn’t RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:  

mail=server1: exchange server 2010 

besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:  

import and export mailbox data 

use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:

MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export 
pst files

RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function 
correctly

Problem:

Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.

MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread My New Display Name for Bob. :)

They are supposed to since MS doesn't really like CDO anymore.  And RIM has 
numerous support calls going right now with BES and 2010 installs...  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: "Campbell, Rob" 
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2010 00:26:18 
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Reply-To: "MS-Exchange Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: to CDO or not CDO? or 
BESx with EX2010

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Campbell, Rob

Wasn't RIM supposed to be converting everything over to EWS, and quit using CDO?

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Jonathan Link

IF there wasn't, I'd be disappointed.

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Campbell, Rob <
rob_campb...@centraltechnology.net> wrote:

>  There’s BACON?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:31 PM
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>
>
> Once again I must bow in humility to the master.
>
>
>
> Thanks Michael
>
>
>
> I'm going to have to start calling you the refrigerator for all the times
> you've saved my bacon.
>
>
>
> -Bill
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
>
> The “assumption” of “Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine” goes away with
> Exchange 2010 sp1. It’s no longer required.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
>
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>
>
> situation:
>
> mail=server1: exchange server 2010
>
> besx=server2: member server in domain
>
>
>
> Requirements:
>
> import and export mailbox data
>
> use BESx to update calendars
>
>
>
> Assumptions:
>
>  MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export
> pst files
>
> RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function
> correctly
>
>  Problem:
>
>  Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1
>
>
>
>  Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?
>
>
>
> RIM support says remove Outlook.
>
> MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.
>
>
>
> Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,
>
>
>
> -Bill
>
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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Campbell, Rob

There's BACON?



From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:31 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

Once again I must bow in humility to the master.

Thanks Michael

I'm going to have to start calling you the refrigerator for all the times 
you've saved my bacon.

-Bill
On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
The "assumption" of "Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine" goes away with 
Exchange 2010 sp1. It's no longer required.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com<http://theessentialexchange.com/>

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com<mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM

To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Webster

LOL, that is great.  Michael "The Refrigerator" Smith

 

I've always thought Michael was one cool character.  Actually, a frig
removes heat and doesn't "make" things cold.  So MBS actually takes the heat
off of poor common folk and makes us just look cool to our bosses and peers.
Thanks Frig.

 

 

Webster

 

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com] 
Subject: Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

 

Once again I must bow in humility to the master.

 

Thanks Michael

 

I'm going to have to start calling you the refrigerator for all the times
you've saved my bacon.

 


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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Bill Songstad

Once again I must bow in humility to the master.

Thanks Michael

I'm going to have to start calling you the refrigerator for all the times
you've saved my bacon.

-Bill

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:22 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  The “assumption” of “Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine” goes away
> with Exchange 2010 sp1. It’s no longer required.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com 
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
>
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>
>
> situation:
>
> mail=server1: exchange server 2010
>
> besx=server2: member server in domain
>
>
>
> Requirements:
>
> import and export mailbox data
>
> use BESx to update calendars
>
>
>
> Assumptions:
>
>  MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export
> pst files
>
> RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function
> correctly
>
>  Problem:
>
>  Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1
>
>
>
>  Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?
>
>
>
> RIM support says remove Outlook.
>
> MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.
>
>
>
> Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,
>
>
>
> -Bill
>
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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Bill Songstad

dunno.  will give it a go.  just found this article hidden in technet.

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee633455.aspx

It suggests that the Outlook 2010 requirement was only for Pre SP1.  So that
could be my savior.
I'll try uninstalling the Outlook and running the import.

Hpefully my original assumption was wrong.

-Bill

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Sobey, Richard A wrote:

>  Can you install the tools on your desktop 64-bit machine and run an
> elevated Powershell session with Mailbox Import/Export role?
>  --
> *From:* bounce-9214480-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [
> bounce-9214480-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] on behalf of Bill
> Songstad [bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 22 December 2010 22:57
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>situation:
> mail=server1: exchange server 2010
> besx=server2: member server in domain
>
> Requirements:
> import and export mailbox data
> use BESx to update calendars
>
> Assumptions:
>
> MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst
> files
> RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function
> correctly
>
> Problem:
>
> Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1
>
>
> Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?
>
> RIM support says remove Outlook.
> MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.
>
> Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,
>
> -Bill
>
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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Michael B. Smith

The "assumption" of "Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine" goes away with 
Exchange 2010 sp1. It's no longer required.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Bill Songstad [mailto:bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 5:58 PM
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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Re: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Gavin Wilby

Thats how I did it on my last Exchange 2007 migration.

Gavin.

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Sobey, Richard A
wrote:

>  Can you install the tools on your desktop 64-bit machine and run an
> elevated Powershell session with Mailbox Import/Export role?
>  --
> *From:* bounce-9214480-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com [
> bounce-9214480-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] on behalf of Bill
> Songstad [bsongs...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 22 December 2010 22:57
> *To:* MS-Exchange Admin Issues
> *Subject:* to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010
>
>   situation:
> mail=server1: exchange server 2010
> besx=server2: member server in domain
>
> Requirements:
> import and export mailbox data
> use BESx to update calendars
>
> Assumptions:
>
> MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst
> files
> RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function
> correctly
>
> Problem:
>
> Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1
>
>
> Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?
>
> RIM support says remove Outlook.
> MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.
>
> Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,
>
> -Bill
>
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RE: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

2010-12-22 Thread Sobey, Richard A

Can you install the tools on your desktop 64-bit machine and run an elevated 
Powershell session with Mailbox Import/Export role?

From: bounce-9214480-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com 
[bounce-9214480-8066...@lyris.sunbelt-software.com] on behalf of Bill Songstad 
[bsongs...@gmail.com]
Sent: 22 December 2010 22:57
To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues
Subject: to CDO or not CDO? or BESx with EX2010

situation:
mail=server1: exchange server 2010
besx=server2: member server in domain

Requirements:
import and export mailbox data
use BESx to update calendars

Assumptions:
MS requires Outlook 2010 on the mail store machine to import and export pst 
files
RIM requires CDO 1.2.1 on exchange server for calendars to function correctly
Problem:
Outlook 2010 cannot coexist with CDO 1.2.1

Do I need to give up a requirement or purchase another exchange server?

RIM support says remove Outlook.
MS knowledgebase says RIM is lieing.

Has anybody been down this road before?  I could sure use some insight,

-Bill

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