Repost: Question on log files with online backup
I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accepting flames off-line ;o) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup
Bob: These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from the file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on. There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup, where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories. The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the Microsoft Exchange Server, and the information store and the directory. In this context, Exchange Server means the application and data associated with Exchange, not the hardware server that Exchange is running on. If this seems to 'Thick give me a call I am local to you - Ventura, CA. Dennis Atherton Senior Technical Services Specialist Affinity Group 2575 Vista Del Mar Drive Ventura, CA 93063 E-Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 805-667-4377 Fax 805-667-4421 Cell Phone 805-701-0342 -Original Message- From: Bob Peitzke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Repost: Question on log files with online backup I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accepting flames off-line ;o) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
Re: Repost: Question on log files with online backup
Don't sweat it. You're fine. - Original Message - From: Bob Peitzke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:50 PM Subject: Repost: Question on log files with online backup I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accepting flames off-line ;o) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup
Hi, Dennis, These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from the file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on. Yes. The messages are out of the BackupExec logs. Sorry, I should have made that more clear. There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup, where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories. The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the Microsoft Exchange Server, and the information store and the directory. Yes again - that's exactly what we are doing. Missy's comment leads me to believe that I don't have a problem, and that I can just deselect these log directories from the backup selections, and not worry about it. Unless somebody tells me different, I can start sleeping better now :o) - Bob -Original Message- From: Dennis Atherton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:14 PM To: 'MS-Exchange Admin Issues' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup Bob: These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from the file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on. There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup, where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories. The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the Microsoft Exchange Server, and the information store and the directory. In this context, Exchange Server means the application and data associated with Exchange, not the hardware server that Exchange is running on. If this seems to 'Thick give me a call I am local to you - Ventura, CA. Dennis Atherton Senior Technical Services Specialist Affinity Group 2575 Vista Del Mar Drive Ventura, CA 93063 E-Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 805-667-4377 Fax 805-667-4421 Cell Phone 805-701-0342 -Original Message- From: Bob Peitzke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Repost: Question on log files with online backup I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accepting flames off-line ;o) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup
You should exclude from your file level backup Any and All of your \exchsrvr directories. In may case, they are on Drives c:\, d:\, e:\, and F:\. Since I have run optimizer a few times and added more disks to our Exchange server. Once you exclude these directories, the Exchange Aware backup will completely backup your Exchange system, and the file system backup will back up the rest of your files on this server. Backing up there \exchsrvr directories will both fail because log files are open, and take longer as it continues to try to back them up. Treat the file system backups the same as you would you Anti-Virus Scanning against this server - exclude the \exchsrvr directories, and all will be happy. Dennis -Original Message- From: Bob Peitzke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:06 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Cc: Bob Peitzke Subject: RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup Hi, Dennis, These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from the file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on. Yes. The messages are out of the BackupExec logs. Sorry, I should have made that more clear. There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup, where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories. The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the Microsoft Exchange Server, and the information store and the directory. Yes again - that's exactly what we are doing. Missy's comment leads me to believe that I don't have a problem, and that I can just deselect these log directories from the backup selections, and not worry about it. Unless somebody tells me different, I can start sleeping better now :o) - Bob -Original Message- From: Dennis Atherton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:14 PM To: 'MS-Exchange Admin Issues' Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup Bob: These messages seem to be coming NOT from the Exchange Backup, but from the file level backup of the Server Exchange is running on. There are two parts to a complete system backup. The file level backup, where you back up the complete system, except for the \exchsrvr directories. The Exchange Aware backup will then allow you to select the Microsoft Exchange Server, and the information store and the directory. In this context, Exchange Server means the application and data associated with Exchange, not the hardware server that Exchange is running on. If this seems to 'Thick give me a call I am local to you - Ventura, CA. Dennis Atherton Senior Technical Services Specialist Affinity Group 2575 Vista Del Mar Drive Ventura, CA 93063 E-Mail = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone 805-667-4377 Fax 805-667-4421 Cell Phone 805-701-0342 -Original Message- From: Bob Peitzke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 1:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Repost: Question on log files with online backup I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA
RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup
I have had more experience that I wanted restoring Exchange 5.5, sp4, using BE 8.6. I did not have circular logging enabled either. Make sure you are doing a full backup of the volumes, along with a full backup nightly of the IS and Directory databases. If so, you will be able to restore everything to the point of the backup. This is my understanding of how BackupExec 8.6 does it... 1. Backs up the database and logs separately. 2. Commits logs to the databases and erases after the backups complete. If you do a restore, there are specific steps you have to take to restore correctly, depending on what you are restoring, the complete OS and Exchange, or just the databases. If it's just the databases, stop the Exchange services and rename all of the mdbdata, mtadata, dsadata, etc. directories to old. Choose the 'Loss Restore' in BackupExec. It restores the databases and logs to disk, starts the services (prompts you first), and then commits any uncommitted log files to the database. -Original Message- From: Bob Peitzke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: Repost: Question on log files with online backup I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accepting flames off-line ;o) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup
One more thing :) When you restore the databases, you also have to restore all of the mdbdata, mtadata, dsadata, etc., directories on the other volumes from the NT backup. Otherwise you will have problems starting the services. That's why I do a full backup nightly. -Original Message- From: Donna Benefield [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 7:46 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject: RE: Repost: Question on log files with online backup I have had more experience that I wanted restoring Exchange 5.5, sp4, using BE 8.6. I did not have circular logging enabled either. Make sure you are doing a full backup of the volumes, along with a full backup nightly of the IS and Directory databases. If so, you will be able to restore everything to the point of the backup. This is my understanding of how BackupExec 8.6 does it... 1. Backs up the database and logs separately. 2. Commits logs to the databases and erases after the backups complete. If you do a restore, there are specific steps you have to take to restore correctly, depending on what you are restoring, the complete OS and Exchange, or just the databases. If it's just the databases, stop the Exchange services and rename all of the mdbdata, mtadata, dsadata, etc. directories to old. Choose the 'Loss Restore' in BackupExec. It restores the databases and logs to disk, starts the services (prompts you first), and then commits any uncommitted log files to the database. -Original Message- From: Bob Peitzke [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 3:50 PM To: MS-Exchange Admin Issues Subject:Repost: Question on log files with online backup I posted this a couple of weeks ago, and got no response. But nobody flamed me either, so assuming y'all just weren't listening, I thought I'd try again ... We are doing full online backups of our Exchange 5.5/SP3 server, using BackupExec 8.6 with BE Exchange Agent, but not using the OFO. Circular logging is disabled. I get the following messages in our nightly backup logs: - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - IMS Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\temp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\dxadata Directory \exchsrvr\imcdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\imcdata\queue.dat - skipped. . . . Directory \exchsrvr\mdbdata Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\mdbdata\tmp.edb - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MTADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\AP0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\BF0.LOG - skipped. Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MTADATA\EV0.LOG - skipped. . . . Log Files Volume: Directory \exchsrvr\DSADATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\DSADATA\edb.log - skipped. Directory \exchsrvr\MDBDATA Unable to open the item \exchsrvr\MDBDATA\edb.log - skipped. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - In the Info Stores volume, we select the Information Store and Directory (entries available because we use BE Exchange Agent) but not the file-level priv.edb or pub.edb, of course, as they are open. The Exchange DR white paper says that committed log files are backed up then purged, specifically referencing NTBACKUP only for incrementals. Now I'm worried that we're not backing up everything we need to restore a current system in case of failure. If I restore the database but not uncommitted logs, have we just lost some recent messages? Advice? TIA Bob Peitzke Information Systems Manager Sander A. Kessler Associates Santa Monica, CA, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] Accepting flames off-line ;o) List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm List Charter and FAQ at: http://www.sunbelt-software.com/exchange_list_charter.htm
