RE: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations -time drifts-

[Max Klohn]

Le jeu, 16 sep 1999, Ken Wilson a écrit :
>Time drift is not necessarily a bug but a normal fact of life in
>computing.  It may be the product of numerous interrupts.  The more
>processes you have running over a period of time the more opportunities
>for interrupts to occur, the greater the time drift.  That is why timed
>exists, and also utilities that will periodically fetch time from a
>reliable source, i.e. the atomic clock in Boulder, and set the current
>time for the box holding the timed server and serving the rest of the
>network.

Well, something definitely "changed" since I upgraded to Mandrake. I never had
such wide time drifts with RH 5.2. With 4 weeks uptime, my machine is off
by one hour.
I dont't know how to further trace the problem. This is why I am asking the
list.
>
>We are getting into way too much bashing.  This thread should really be
>named '6.1 Helios observations (Bug reports the sequel)'.  In deference
>to Gael I think we should be 100%, or as close as possible, sure
>something is a bug and not just our own error or failure to get up to
>speed on a process/problem before reporting same.

I am 100% sure of this one. SAME hardware before + the very same daemons
running with RH 5.2=no time drifts. I have now three servers up and running and
they all drift. I do not whish to purchase a serial interface to a radio clock
(which BTW could come more expensive than another distro) until I am resonably
convinced this is not a software glitch.

I am willing to stick with Mandrake, especially since getting used to a new
distro's quirks is somewaht a PITA, as long as I see some issues are being
addressed. 

Now how could I tackle this? I could run a cron job to resynch the clock with
the hardware clock, but isn't the whole purpose of the software clock to be
supposedly more precise than the hardware one? Any other (better) ideas?

 >
>Maybe we could all drop this thread until we see what the actual release
>turns out like.  

I definitely disagree with this. I think we need answers _before_ the new
release if we want it to be better and more stable. Without this, releasing is
just riding an ephemere fashion wave. The "distro of the day" kind of users will
fade away, what remains, is the quality (or lack thereof) of the fixes &
patches.

MK

Re: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Steve Philp wrote:

> > Haven't seen Max Linux, I always liked Max PC.  I will have to look for it.
> 
> Not a bad magazine if you don't mind a complete lack of detail.  I get
> the feeling it's written for the 14 yr. olds in the audience who just
> want to "be cool" running Linux.
> 
> If you're looking for a good Linux magazine, I'd suggest either Linux
> Journal or Linux Magazine (pretty new publication).  Linux Journal is
> damn hard-core, Linux Magazine has a couple hard-core articles, mostly
> high-level information.  Maximum Linux carries up the rear with
> absolutely minimal useful information.  Maybe it's just because it's
> their premiere issue, I dunno.

I grabbed a copy of Maximum Linux the other day... I was suitably
impressed for a "mainstream" publication like Maximum PC to put it out.. I
think it gives Linux some very good exposure.  The only problem I had with
it was them reviewing "Deluxe Linux OS 6.0"...  There was too much
misinformation on Mandrake for my liking "based on RH6 and just optimized"
or some such nonsense, was one of the bigger annoyances.  You'd think
since they included a copy of Mandrake, they'd review Mandrake *as*
Mandrake... I'm sure some "newbies" would be a little confused... heck, I
was when I flipped thru it first wondering where the review on Mandrake
was...  I think I'm going to send the editor a note about their review on
Deluxe Linux OS 6.0 as well...  I think they should make a note in their
next issue that they reviewed Mandrake Linux as packaged by Macmillan... I
mean, Macmillan did the same thing with "The Complete RedHat Linux OS 5.2"
(which is in a box on my shelf next to the Complete Linux OS 6.0
(Mandrake)).

Other than that, I thought it was pretty good, if simplistic and geared
towards Windows-newcomers...  Personally, I'll stick with Linux Journal
for my info.

Vincent Danen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) . ICQ: 16978834
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Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying

[Singer XJ Wang]

I didn't know what kinda of CD-R drive he has. I don't use CDREcord but
XCDRoast. But I was saying in General that is the problem with 80 Minute CDs
and I stated SOny as a example cause they clearly states that they give no
support to 80 Minute CDs. As for my Drive, my Plextor 20/8 is very 80 Minute
Friendly altough Linux Support is flakey right now :(


- Original Message -
From: Al Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying


> with that being said and looking at the readme's for the cdrecord
> program, I don't think you will even be able to use the 80min CD's to
> their utmost capacity. I would also read the README on the CDRECORD
> because if you are using a Sony CD-R there are some things that aren't
> yet supported with that cd. Including but not limited to multi-session
> creation. On the Sony it isn't supported.
>
> -Al
>
>
> > I know I'm using Outlook Express [WIndows] but my HD Hard Drive died
> and I'm
> > waiting for my new one to arrive in a couple of days. But I had a
> similar
> > problem to yours, what is the MODEL and the Make of Your CD-R Drive?
> >
> > Some CD-R support 80 Min CD, some don't. Since 80 Minute CD-R aren't
> defined
> > in the Rainbow Books Specifications. For example, Sony doesn't support
> them
> > saying that they violete Rainbow Books rules. [The Rainbow Books define
> the
> > begining and end of the data track on CD-Rs and thus the length of the
> data
> > track.So for 80 minute CD-Rs, they have to pack the pits closer then
> what is
> > specifed in Rainbow Books [they define two standards, one for 74Minute
> and
> > one for 63Minute]]. Rainbow Books is the name of the set of books that
> > definte the CD Standards [they have Orange, Blue, Red, Yellow but I
> don't
> > remember which one is for which].
> >
> > By your post, I assume your CD-R doesn't support 80 Minute CDs. Try the
> > following:
> > 1. Try to read the 80 Minute CD-R Disc from teh CD-R Drive, if that
> works
> > your CD-ROM doesn't support 80 Minute CD's
> > 2. Try to see if there's a FirmWare update on it and if there is try to
> > update the firmware, maybe they added 80 Minute CD-R Support.
> Otherwise, no
> > luck.
> >
> >
> > Singer
> > - Original Message -
> > From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > Has anyone had any experiences with copying the new 80minute/700MB
> > CD-Rs?
> > > > I have been trying to copy with no success. I get unspecified write
> > > > errors. I had no problems at all the the normal 650MB CD-Rs.
> > > >
> > > > I am using xcdroast and Mandrake 6.0. The machine is an AMDK6
> 300MHz
> > > >
> > > Hmm...the question *I* have is this -- Which is broken, xcdroast or
> > > the cd player you tried that new CD in? ;-)
> > > John
> >
>






I know I'm using Outlook Express [WIndows] but my HD Hard Drive died and I'm
waiting for my new one to arrive in a couple of days. But I had a similar
problem to yours, what is the MODEL and the Make of Your CD-R Drive?

Some CD-R support 80 Min CD, some don't. Since 80 Minute CD-R aren't defined
in the Rainbow Books Specifications. For example, Sony doesn't support them
saying that they violete Rainbow Books rules. [The Rainbow Books define the
begining and end of the data track on CD-Rs and thus the length of the data
track.So for 80 minute CD-Rs, they have to pack the pits closer then what is
specifed in Rainbow Books [they define two standards, one for 74Minute and
one for 63Minute]]. Rainbow Books is the name of the set of books that
definte the CD Standards [they have Orange, Blue, Red, Yellow but I don't
remember which one is for which].

By your post, I assume your CD-R doesn't support 80 Minute CDs. Try the
following:
1. Try to read the 80 Minute CD-R Disc from teh CD-R Drive, if that works
your CD-ROM doesn't support 80 Minute CD's
2. Try to see if there's a FirmWare update on it and if there is try to
update the firmware, maybe they added 80 Minute CD-R Support. Otherwise, no
luck.


Singer
- Original Message -
From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying


> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Has anyone had any experiences with copying the new 80minute/700MB
CD-Rs?
> > I have been trying to copy with no success. I get unspecified write
> > errors. I had no problems at all the the normal 650MB CD-Rs.
> >
> > I am using xcdroast and Mandrake 6.0. The machine is an AMDK6 300MHz
> >
> Hmm...the question *I* have is this -- Which is broken, xcdroast or
> the cd player you tried that new CD in? ;-)
> John

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[Bob Jackson]

David Comeau wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> 
> Well, it was more than I really had asked for, but I am really impressed and
> grateful for all of your responses. It is really unfortunate that WinModems
> don't work with linux ( for some people, even a 40$ forkout to a comp shop is
> too much), but I agree with all of you. As for my friend, well, I'm going to
> take a quick look through the archives like one of you suggested, and if I
> can't find the required article, I'll just have to urge him to get the real
> thing.

Don't give up yet, since he's willing to settle for a slower
connection anyway, you may be able to find an ISA 33.6 real
cheap. Later when he can afford the $40 or so, he can step 
up to 56K. If he stays with the Winmodem, he's not going
to get 56K anyway.

Bob J.

[expert] Getting your winmodem to work .... well possibly

[David Rodgers]

you might want to rummage through the articles on linux journals site like
thae past month or 2 ... i saw something there about getting SOME of those
pesky pci modems to work .. it involved putting it in a windows box to
configure and then taking it out and sticking it in your linux box and
setting up some software... i don't know if it's true or not I haven't used
a modem since I was about 16 ... but if it would save you some money i guess
it would be worth a look


Have Fun,

Cindy and David Rodgers

**
Have a baby and watch the Unix community grow !!!
- Original Message -
From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] WinModem question


> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > > A couple of weeks ago, some had given a possible setup for a
winmodem using the
> > > > setserial command. I have lost theat message. Can the person who
wrote it
> > > > please write back to me directly with that message? I am trying to
help an
> > > > unfortunate friend. Thanking-you in advance,
> > > >
> > > Winmodems under Linux are paperweights. Period. Don't
> > > bother. These are SOFTWARE modems, or modems in name-only.
> > > Go get a real modem with HARDWARE UARTs, etc.
> > > John
> >
> > I understand, and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, not everyone can
simply
> > throw something for no other reason than it not working with all OS's. I
had
> > often ribbed my friend about that very thing. He always looked sheepish
after
> > my having done that. What it comes down to, is, he is aware that he
should get
> > a real modem, but since I had seen a message about two weeks ago, about
this
> > very subject, including a way out(other than trashing the modem:) ), I
felt
> > that it was worth a try. And, if you think about it, it "is" worth a
try,
> > because of all the people who presently have the WinXX/WinModem
combination,
> > and we are trying to win over to linux. I don't think it is very
realistic to
> > expect them all to run out and buy a new modem.
> >
> Well, I just did a quick browse-through of the mail archive for the
> "newbie" group and it appears that there is rumors of SOME
> rudimentary support in kernel 2.4 (considering we're on 2.2.x right
> now, that's going to be awhile!) Other than that, the only references
> I've found state that WinModems are Windows-only, and are therefore
> worse than useless under any other O/S.
> >
> > As for you and I, and many who are technically
> > inclined, and versed in computing, we knew that when we bought our
> > computer, it had to work with most, if not all, OS's (and for
> > those of you who didn't buy that way, please don't  feel that I am
> > insulting you in any way. I realize that everyone is an  individual,
> > and I feel that everyone should have their own way of purchasing,
> > even if at times it is unthoughtful and wasteful).
> > In any case, thanks for the info.
> >
> You're welcome. As a bit of history, WinModems are NOT the first
> "software" modems to come out. In the late 80's/early 90's there were
> an abundance of "SoftModems" which were dos-level software modems,
> but they were just as bad pieces of junk as the USR WinModems and HCF
> modems are today. :-) I know, I was a BBS Sysop up until about 1997
> when I lost my batch files to a hard drive crash and gave up because
> I was getting MAYBE one call per day. :-)
> John

RE: [expert] WinModem question

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Ken Wilson wrote:

> I'm not so sure I agree with you.  External modems are relatively cheap.
> And, if that's all you have to upgrade to run Linux you're laughing.
> Beats the hell out of having to double your RAM, processor speed, and
> hard drive size everytime that unmentionable OS release a new version of
> their OS or one of their bloated applications for said OS.  :-)
> 
> But, if you can avoid even that cost it certainly is worth a try as you
> said.  Once again, check the archives on the Mandrake page.  I'm not so
> sure that it's something anyone here would make note of as most bite the
> bullet and get something to replace their winmodem.
> 
> Ken Wilson
> First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
> irrelevant
> (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

Ok guys, winmodems aren't support, and a driver will never be accepted
into the mainstream kernel even if someone were to write it. Alan and
Linus have already made statements to this effect. On an upnote compusa
has modems on sale for like 25$.
 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Comeau
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:08 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [expert] WinModem question
> >
> >
> > I understand, and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, not
> > everyone can simply
> > throw something for no other reason than it not working with
> > all OS's. I had
> > often ribbed my friend about that very thing. He always
> > looked sheepish after
> > my having done that. What it comes down to, is, he is aware
> > that he should get
> > a real modem, but since I had seen a message about two weeks
> > ago, about this
> > very subject, including a way out(other than trashing the
> > modem:) ), I felt
> > that it was worth a try. And, if you think about it, it "is"
> > worth a try,
> > because of all the people who presently have the
> > WinXX/WinModem combination,
> > and we are trying to win over to linux. I don't think it is
> > very realistic to
> > expect them all to run out and buy a new modem.
> >
> > As for you and I, and many who are technically inclined, and versed in
> > computing, we knew that when we bought our computer, it had
> > to work with most,
> > if not all, OS's (and for those of you who didn't buy that
> > way, please don't
> > feel that I am insulting you in any way. I realize that everyone is an
> > individual, and I feel that everyone should have their own
> > way of purchasing,
> > even if at times it is unthoughtful and wasteful).
> >
> > In any case, thanks for the info.
> >
> 
> 

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

RE: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations

[Axalon Bloodstone]

Well shucks, seems that bugs more wide spread then i thought. I thought it
was my latitude/longitude that was causeing that.

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Ken Archer wrote:

> Seems like 90% of the time when I find the source of a problem it has it's
> hands on my keyboard.
> 
> > We are getting into way too much bashing.  This thread should really be
> > named '6.1 Helios observations (Bug reports the sequel)'.  In deference
> > to Gael I think we should be 100%, or as close as possible, sure
> > something is a bug and not just our own error or failure to get up to
> > speed on a process/problem before reporting same.
> > 
> > Ken Wilson
> > First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
> > irrelevant
> > (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[David Comeau]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:

Well, it was more than I really had asked for, but I am really impressed and
grateful for all of your responses. It is really unfortunate that WinModems
don't work with linux ( for some people, even a 40$ forkout to a comp shop is
too much), but I agree with all of you. As for my friend, well, I'm going to
take a quick look through the archives like one of you suggested, and if I
can't find the required article, I'll just have to urge him to get the real
thing.

Thanks again all!
Sincerely, David Comeau

Re: [expert] network problems on Mandrake 6

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Herman Van Keer (softouch) wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> After installing Linux Mandrake 6.0 I do have a problem with my network:
> 
> Motherboard GA-6BXC (Gigabyte)
> Two network cards 3com - 3C905B-TX  (PCI cards)
> I use the default installed driver : 3c59x
> (conf.modules =
> alias eth0 3c59x
> alias eth1 3c59x)
> 
> The whole hardware is OK, since I installed RedHat 5.1 on the same
> machine, same configuration and it just works fine.
> Only installing Mandrake just does not get my network connections up and
> running!
> ifconfig gives me both cards, but ping doesn't  give any response
> 
> Is there something I missed? Is this a known issue?
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> Herman
> 

Have a look at your routeing odds are it's screwed up. 

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

RE: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations

[Ken Archer]

Seems like 90% of the time when I find the source of a problem it has it's
hands on my keyboard.

> We are getting into way too much bashing.  This thread should really be
> named '6.1 Helios observations (Bug reports the sequel)'.  In deference
> to Gael I think we should be 100%, or as close as possible, sure
> something is a bug and not just our own error or failure to get up to
> speed on a process/problem before reporting same.
> 
> Ken Wilson
> First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
> irrelevant
> (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')
-- 
Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ICQ #24980801
Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Steve Philp]

Michael Doyle wrote:
> 
> G'day,
> 
> Well done Steve, I don't know whats happened to the nice friendly Mandrake I
> started out with last October, it seems since the release of V6.0 the rot has
> set in, and this being one reason for lurking over the last 3 months.

I've begun to wonder myself.  People like Tom, Ramon, Axalon, Gael, and
countless others who've I've chatted with over the past year or so are
the reason I stick with Mandrake.  There is a good group of people
here.  Unfortunately, the wise (and learning to be wise) voices are
being drowned out by a boisterous crew who want to piss on each others'
pant legs.


> On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Al Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
> > > that one up. My hat goes off to you...
> >
> >
> > How about grabbing your coat on the way out too...
> >
> > Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> > ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> > purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> > offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> > give you more satisfaction.
> >
> 
> --
> Michael Doyle
> Adelaide, South Australia
> ICQ # 2635762
> http://landofoz.apana.org.au

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] [devel] RPM 3.0.3

[Steve Philp]

Ron Stodden wrote:
> 
> Arandir wrote:
> 
> > Cassini is a Beta release. That means "not stable" and full of problems.
> 
> Then, and only then, can the product proceed to Beta test, which involves
> peer developers and others, but not clients.

Welcome to Open Source software where you're not only the client, you're
also a developer, tester, marketer,  and janitor.  

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[Ramon Gandia]

1. WinModems do not work under Linux.

2. They would work if someone wrote a driver for them.

3. There is a french modem manufacturer that SAYS they will
release a winmodem soon with a Linux driver.  It is still
vaporware.

4. WinModems require critical timing (real-time) in order
to handle the digital signal processing.  This would create
extreme difficulties for Linux, specially on computers
short of memory or lacking in CPU speed.

5. WinModem manufacturers have not shown interest in writing
Linux drivers.  

6. A Linux programmer might be able to do it, but so far no
one has volunteered to do this.  For various reasons:

a) The hardware is junk.  They barely work or do not
   work under Windows95/98.
b) The information needed from the Manufacturer is
   proprietary.  The manufacturer may or may not
   release it for inclusion into GPL software because
   the source code would be GPL.  This is mostly an
   imaginary issue, but its perceived as such by most
   hardware manufacturers. 

7. There are only three manufacturers of the WinModem chipsets:
Lucent Technologies, Rockwell International and 3COM (formerly
US Robotics).  Cirrus pulled out of the winmodem chip market
a month or so ago.  I have heard that Lucent is willing to talk
to Linux programmers, but so far nothing has come of this.

Now, for Ramon's opinion.  As an ISP, I can tell you that the
WinModems, particularly those employing Rockwell Chipsets
comprise 95% of my user's modem problems.  Real modems simply
work fine if no installation errors have been made.  Most of
my users use Windows 95/98 and they experience things as
disconnects, slow performance, "stalled" conditions, retrainings,
or simply refusing to connect.  Often, new "drivers" are needed
and most users are simply unable to this on their own.  Those
modems are junk.  I am sure there would be all sorts of grief
under Linux.

For instance, if the memory of the computer is such that Windows
(or Linux) swaps to disk, what happens to the modem driver when
it gets put on the hard drive?  Well, the modem simply locks
up until it comes back.  Imagine this being done repetitively.
In this case, the modem may well show a connect speed of 50,666
but the thruput may be as low as 1,200 or worse "stalled".

Memory can be used fast.  For instance, the chief offenders are
things like Office 97, or IE 4.0 which leave large parts of their
programs resident in memory even when they are not running.  Ditto
for sound card drivers (real sound cards are raremost are
now "winsound" cards!).  Printers are now often "win printers".

I do not think you will see winmodems under Linux for a long time.

The Rockwell HCF winmodem, the latest one now, has been a real_bear
for us ISP's.  Look in the internet, for instance doing an
Altavista search on +rockwell +hcf will give you thousands of hits,
most of them web pages from ISP's about how to overcome connect
problems with this hardware.  The solution is typically to make
them connect slower, at V34 speeds instead of V90.  In other
words, at 33,600 and slower.  Read some of this info, its an eye
opener.  

The latest incarnation of these HCF have put the modem chipset
on the sound card.  There is a good reason for this:  winmodems
and soundcards can share some of the interface to the CPU; they
are configured both to do Digital Signal Processing.  Except the
processing is not done by the sound/modem card, but by the CPU -
your Pentium.  Adding the chip to a sound card is costing the
OEM under $5.00.  A decent modem would cost the computer manufacturer
anywhere from $30 to $70, and would raise the list price of the
computer by $100 or more.  This is extremely disadvantageous on
the marketplace.  Most buyers would select the cheaper computer
if all else looked the same.  This is a reasonable attitude, but
the poor user is really stuck.  

He has actually bought a computer that has NO modem.  It has a
device in there that has a chance, under Windows 95/98, of making
some sort of half-assed connection to the internet with differing
degrees of success.

Usually, upgrading a computer to enough RAM to use one of these
will cost more than getting a decent modem in the first place.  I
have seen few Win95 computers with less than 64MB ram do well with
these things.  They are not real modems they are only half a
modem circuit and I wish someone would take legal action so they
can be called by what they are: an interface chip.  They could
then decide on some fancy name, but not modem.  Maybe "modem-like."

Sorry for the big rant.  I can assure you all that as an ISP, the
proliferation of these "things" has really ruined what would 
otherwise be an enjoyable business.   Look in those web pages
that you get with a search engine and you will see many other ISP's
in the same boat, including some of the regionals and nationals.

I say, lets keep those damn things away from Linux.  We do not
need those head

RE: [expert] WinModem question

[Ken Wilson]

I'm not so sure I agree with you.  External modems are relatively cheap.
And, if that's all you have to upgrade to run Linux you're laughing.
Beats the hell out of having to double your RAM, processor speed, and
hard drive size everytime that unmentionable OS release a new version of
their OS or one of their bloated applications for said OS.  :-)

But, if you can avoid even that cost it certainly is worth a try as you
said.  Once again, check the archives on the Mandrake page.  I'm not so
sure that it's something anyone here would make note of as most bite the
bullet and get something to replace their winmodem.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Comeau
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 2:08 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] WinModem question
>
>
> I understand, and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, not
> everyone can simply
> throw something for no other reason than it not working with
> all OS's. I had
> often ribbed my friend about that very thing. He always
> looked sheepish after
> my having done that. What it comes down to, is, he is aware
> that he should get
> a real modem, but since I had seen a message about two weeks
> ago, about this
> very subject, including a way out(other than trashing the
> modem:) ), I felt
> that it was worth a try. And, if you think about it, it "is"
> worth a try,
> because of all the people who presently have the
> WinXX/WinModem combination,
> and we are trying to win over to linux. I don't think it is
> very realistic to
> expect them all to run out and buy a new modem.
>
> As for you and I, and many who are technically inclined, and versed in
> computing, we knew that when we bought our computer, it had
> to work with most,
> if not all, OS's (and for those of you who didn't buy that
> way, please don't
> feel that I am insulting you in any way. I realize that everyone is an
> individual, and I feel that everyone should have their own
> way of purchasing,
> even if at times it is unthoughtful and wasteful).
>
> In any case, thanks for the info.
>

RE: [expert] ircd requested

[Ken Wilson]

Last time I tried to get on undernet I got a boot from the server I was
accessing because I don't run identd.  :-)

I don't know why someone would want to give up their box as another
playground for script kiddies.  I know they can do little or no damage
to a Linux box but they are a plague on the plethora of Windows users on
IRC.  Unless you run it as a passworded server and only let trusted
users on.  I don't know if any of the current nets will let you join
with a private server though.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of John Aldrich
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 12:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] ircd requested
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Topic says it all. Now is your time to get input on which
> gets packaged..
> >
> > wOOp!  You're going to package ircd?  Cool...  I tried to
> build an RPM for
> > it for a friend and it was way to hard with the pre-compile
> directives.  I
> > tried with the undernet irc daemon tho are there more
> than that one to
> > choose from?  Are you asking for which one you should package?
> >
> Hey, Axalon...how about UnRealIRC? A buddy of mine is
> running that and says it's pretty cool. :-) 'Course
> Undernet won't let you use it, but if you're running Linux,
> they don't want you either, I'm told... only BSD boxes! :-)
>   John
>

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Michael Doyle]

G'day,

Well done Steve, I don't know whats happened to the nice friendly Mandrake I
started out with last October, it seems since the release of V6.0 the rot has
set in, and this being one reason for lurking over the last 3 months.



On Thu, 16 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> Al Smith wrote:
> > 
> > Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
> > that one up. My hat goes off to you...
> 
> 
> How about grabbing your coat on the way out too...
> 
> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> give you more satisfaction.
> 

-- 
Michael Doyle
Adelaide, South Australia
ICQ # 2635762
http://landofoz.apana.org.au

RE: [expert] WinModem question

[Ken Wilson]

I think Mr. Aldrich's comment to you may be 100% correct.  Not being
absolutely sure myself, and not concerned about winmodem's as mine
isn't, my only advice would be go to Mandrakes website for the archive
of this list and see if you can't find the article there.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Comeau
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 8:22 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [expert] WinModem question
>
>
> A couple of weeks ago, some had given a possible setup for a
> winmodem using the
> setserial command. I have lost theat message. Can the person
> who wrote it
> please write back to me directly with that message? I am
> trying to help an
> unfortunate friend. Thanking-you in advance,
> David
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

RE: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations

[Ken Wilson]

Time drift is not necessarily a bug but a normal fact of life in
computing.  It may be the product of numerous interrupts.  The more
processes you have running over a period of time the more opportunities
for interrupts to occur, the greater the time drift.  That is why timed
exists, and also utilities that will periodically fetch time from a
reliable source, i.e. the atomic clock in Boulder, and set the current
time for the box holding the timed server and serving the rest of the
network.

We are getting into way too much bashing.  This thread should really be
named '6.1 Helios observations (Bug reports the sequel)'.  In deference
to Gael I think we should be 100%, or as close as possible, sure
something is a bug and not just our own error or failure to get up to
speed on a process/problem before reporting same.

Maybe we could all drop this thread until we see what the actual release
turns out like.  Give them time to work on bugs instead of defending
themselves here all the time.  After the official release we may then
have grounds for our comments, but we surely do not need the vociferous
attacks we have seen here on an uncompleted work.

Ken Wilson
First Law of Optimization: The speed of a nonworking program is
irrelevant
(Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming')

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Max Klohn
> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 7:44 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations
>
>
> Aw Come on Gael, don't exagerate in the other way... There
> _are_ still some
> serious bugs (who wants a server with a time drift for
> example) that neeed to
> be addressed. Most people aren't bashing you.
> Yours isn't a professional answer, you cannot hope to have
> CUSTOMERS and/or
> POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS paying for a distro and then tell them
> something like "sod
> off" at the first complaint. Very bad policy.
>
>
> > I'd like you guys not to
> >keep on bashing us like that: it's totally useless and by the way, if
> >you feel bad with Mandrake, why don't you leave and use another
> >distribution?
> >
> >Greets,
> >
> > Gael.
> >--
> >< Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> >< Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>
>

Re: [expert] [devel] RPM 3.0.3

[Ron Stodden]

Arandir wrote:

> Cassini is a Beta release. That means "not stable" and full of problems.

This is NOT the definition of a Beta release.Before having a Beta 
release, any product must have passed its Alpha test.Alpha testing is 
done by the developer him/herself.  The developer is able to prove to a 
third party that the product passes all the designer's and the developer's 
tests and is, at that level of testing, absolutely bug-free.  Alpha test 
includes all the specifications (which are what the product is tested 
against - the test plan is produced by the software designer) and all 
levels of documentation.

Then, and only then, can the product proceed to Beta test, which involves 
peer developers and others, but not clients.

Having passed Beta test, the product can then go to Gamma test, where it 
is exposed to examination and acceptance (or not) by a set of real 
clients.

Them's the rules, well established by over 3 decades of use in the 
industry.

-- 
Ron Stodden

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Lee Wilson]

-Original Message-
From: Ramon Gandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


>Steve Philp wrote:
>>
>> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
>> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
>> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
>> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
>> give you more satisfaction.
>
>Oh c'mon.  We were all enjoying this soap opera.  On episode #9
>they were talking lawyers.  We are awaiting episode #10.

Yeah, please don't stop!  This is FAR more interesting than the code
I'm writing for work...  I'm looking forward to the next installment.

==
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==
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==
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Re: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!

[Jeanette Russo]

I get Linux Journal and Linux Magazine but they don't come with the software
CD.  I guess I kind of like trying new stuff.
Jeanette

- Original Message -
From: Steve Philp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!


> Jeanette Russo wrote:
> >
> > Haven't seen Max Linux, I always liked Max PC.  I will have to look for
it.
>
> Not a bad magazine if you don't mind a complete lack of detail.  I get
> the feeling it's written for the 14 yr. olds in the audience who just
> want to "be cool" running Linux.
>
> If you're looking for a good Linux magazine, I'd suggest either Linux
> Journal or Linux Magazine (pretty new publication).  Linux Journal is
> damn hard-core, Linux Magazine has a couple hard-core articles, mostly
> high-level information.  Maximum Linux carries up the rear with
> absolutely minimal useful information.  Maybe it's just because it's
> their premiere issue, I dunno.
>
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Steve Philp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:55 PM
> > Subject: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!
> >
> > > Good evening all, I hope noone minds a brief distraction from the
> > > "bugs!" discussion thread!
> > >
> > > I picked up the inaugural issue of Maximum Linux (from the fine gents
> > > that bring us Maximum PC every month) because Mandrake 6.0 was
included
> > > on the cover CD.
> > >
> > > I have to admit that I've been running Red Hat 6.0 for the past few
> > > weeks and this is my first experience with Mandrake's latest effort.
> > >
> > > The magazine listed the CD as bootable, but I was unable to get it to
> > > boot from my new CD-RW.  No biggie, I hooked up the old CDROM and
> > > installed from there.  Installation went without a hitch, and MaxLinux
> > > was nice enough to include all but around 7M of updates.
> > >
> > > However, I'm now having a problem trying to use the CD-RW as a CDROM
> > > drive.  Attempts to read from the drive get continual errors like:
> > >
> > > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 1197548
> > > hdb: cdrom_read_intr: data underrun (4
> > > blocks)
> > >
> > > Plugging in the normal CDROM yields clean transfers, so I've
discounted
> > > the possibility of cable or motherboard problems.  Using another CD in
> > > the drive doesn't show any problems either.
> > >
> > > I've got to admit that installing from the magazine CD was quite
> > > possibly THE WORST experience I've ever had.  I ended up doing an
> > > extremely basic install, copying files "by hand" onto the hard drive,
> > > then installing everything and pruning out things I didn't need.
> > >
> > > So, if anyone happens to wonder by the magazine rack and figure
they'll
> > > pick up a nice Mandrake CD from the magazine, THINK AGAIN.  THIS CD IS
> > > JUNK.
> > >
> > > I'm in the process of copying files from the CD onto my hard drive so
I
> > > can burn a new copy of it.  Wish me luck!
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steve Philp
> > > Network Administrator
> > > Advance Packaging Corporation
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
>
> --
> Steve Philp
> Network Administrator
> Advance Packaging Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[Dan Brown]

From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Well, I just did a quick browse-through of the mail archive for the
> "newbie" group and it appears that there is rumors of SOME
> rudimentary support in kernel 2.4 (considering we're on 2.2.x right
> now, that's going to be awhile!) Other than that, the only references

Linus has said that 2.2.4 "should" be released by late Fall '99.
There's currently a feature freeze in effect from 2.3.18, which, as far as I
can tell, includes no support for Winmodems.  It's got some USB support, but
no Winmodem support.

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[John Aldrich]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > A couple of weeks ago, some had given a possible setup for a winmodem using the
> > > setserial command. I have lost theat message. Can the person who wrote it
> > > please write back to me directly with that message? I am trying to help an
> > > unfortunate friend. Thanking-you in advance,
> > >
> > Winmodems under Linux are paperweights. Period. Don't
> > bother. These are SOFTWARE modems, or modems in name-only.
> > Go get a real modem with HARDWARE UARTs, etc.
> > John
> 
> I understand, and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, not everyone can simply
> throw something for no other reason than it not working with all OS's. I had
> often ribbed my friend about that very thing. He always looked sheepish after
> my having done that. What it comes down to, is, he is aware that he should get
> a real modem, but since I had seen a message about two weeks ago, about this
> very subject, including a way out(other than trashing the modem:) ), I felt
> that it was worth a try. And, if you think about it, it "is" worth a try,
> because of all the people who presently have the WinXX/WinModem combination,
> and we are trying to win over to linux. I don't think it is very realistic to
> expect them all to run out and buy a new modem.
> 
Well, I just did a quick browse-through of the mail archive for the
"newbie" group and it appears that there is rumors of SOME
rudimentary support in kernel 2.4 (considering we're on 2.2.x right
now, that's going to be awhile!) Other than that, the only references
I've found state that WinModems are Windows-only, and are therefore
worse than useless under any other O/S.
>
> As for you and I, and many who are technically
> inclined, and versed in computing, we knew that when we bought our
> computer, it had to work with most, if not all, OS's (and for
> those of you who didn't buy that way, please don't  feel that I am
> insulting you in any way. I realize that everyone is an  individual,
> and I feel that everyone should have their own way of purchasing, 
> even if at times it is unthoughtful and wasteful).
> In any case, thanks for the info.
>
You're welcome. As a bit of history, WinModems are NOT the first
"software" modems to come out. In the late 80's/early 90's there were
an abundance of "SoftModems" which were dos-level software modems,
but they were just as bad pieces of junk as the USR WinModems and HCF
modems are today. :-) I know, I was a BBS Sysop up until about 1997
when I lost my batch files to a hard drive crash and gave up because
I was getting MAYBE one call per day. :-)
John

Re: [expert] network problems on Mandrake 6

[Herman Van Keer (softouch)]

Mike Hill wrote:

> What output does ifconfig give for eth0 and eth1?  What are you trying to
> ping? Some more information on the structure of the network and how
> everything is connected would be helpful.
>
> Mike

  Thanks Mike for this turbo-quick answer;-)
Unfortunately, I have now the 'old' 5.1 setup. Just give me some time I'll
reinstall Mandrake and give you the information.

Thanks a lot,
Herman

BTW: somebody wrote me RedHat 5.1 (2.0.35) is buggy???
So I definitely should upgrade .

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Ramon Gandia]

Steve Philp wrote:
> 
> Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
> ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
> purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
> offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
> give you more satisfaction.

Oh c'mon.  We were all enjoying this soap opera.  On episode #9
they were talking lawyers.  We are awaiting episode #10.

-- 
Ramon Gandia  ---Sysadmin  ---  http://www.nook.net
285 West 1st Avenue  ISP for Western Alaska
P.O. Box 970  tel. 907-443-7575
Nome, Alaska 99762fax. 907-443-2487
===

Re: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!

[Steve Philp]

Jeanette Russo wrote:
> 
> Haven't seen Max Linux, I always liked Max PC.  I will have to look for it.

Not a bad magazine if you don't mind a complete lack of detail.  I get
the feeling it's written for the 14 yr. olds in the audience who just
want to "be cool" running Linux.

If you're looking for a good Linux magazine, I'd suggest either Linux
Journal or Linux Magazine (pretty new publication).  Linux Journal is
damn hard-core, Linux Magazine has a couple hard-core articles, mostly
high-level information.  Maximum Linux carries up the rear with
absolutely minimal useful information.  Maybe it's just because it's
their premiere issue, I dunno.


> - Original Message -
> From: Steve Philp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:55 PM
> Subject: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!
> 
> > Good evening all, I hope noone minds a brief distraction from the
> > "bugs!" discussion thread!
> >
> > I picked up the inaugural issue of Maximum Linux (from the fine gents
> > that bring us Maximum PC every month) because Mandrake 6.0 was included
> > on the cover CD.
> >
> > I have to admit that I've been running Red Hat 6.0 for the past few
> > weeks and this is my first experience with Mandrake's latest effort.
> >
> > The magazine listed the CD as bootable, but I was unable to get it to
> > boot from my new CD-RW.  No biggie, I hooked up the old CDROM and
> > installed from there.  Installation went without a hitch, and MaxLinux
> > was nice enough to include all but around 7M of updates.
> >
> > However, I'm now having a problem trying to use the CD-RW as a CDROM
> > drive.  Attempts to read from the drive get continual errors like:
> >
> > end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 1197548
> > hdb: cdrom_read_intr: data underrun (4
> > blocks)
> >
> > Plugging in the normal CDROM yields clean transfers, so I've discounted
> > the possibility of cable or motherboard problems.  Using another CD in
> > the drive doesn't show any problems either.
> >
> > I've got to admit that installing from the magazine CD was quite
> > possibly THE WORST experience I've ever had.  I ended up doing an
> > extremely basic install, copying files "by hand" onto the hard drive,
> > then installing everything and pruning out things I didn't need.
> >
> > So, if anyone happens to wonder by the magazine rack and figure they'll
> > pick up a nice Mandrake CD from the magazine, THINK AGAIN.  THIS CD IS
> > JUNK.
> >
> > I'm in the process of copying files from the CD onto my hard drive so I
> > can burn a new copy of it.  Wish me luck!
> >
> > --
> > Steve Philp
> > Network Administrator
> > Advance Packaging Corporation
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] Enlightenment

[jorge_carminati]

Thanks, I
%ll try tonight and then I tell you if I have troubles.

Jorge Carminati.






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[EMAIL PROTECTED] @ INTERNET 
CC:  
Asunto: Re: [expert] Enlightenment 

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi!,
> 
> I%m running Venus and want to try Enlightenment. I installed the rpm but 
> don%t know how to enable it to load. I tryied with desktopcfg to switch but 
> it%s not a valid option.
> Any help would be apreciated.

1) Copy any .xinitrc or .Xclients to a backup.

2) create a .xinitrc with the following line:
 exec enlightenment

3) type startx

This should work for you. And if you find out what all those icons, buttons
and
doodads do in the shiny metal theme, let me know :-)

--
Arandir...
___

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Steve Philp]

Al Smith wrote:
> 
> Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
> that one up. My hat goes off to you...


How about grabbing your coat on the way out too...

Can we PLEASE return to a bit of civility here?  This is getting
ridiculous.  Mr. Smith, if you're not happy with the product you
purchased, take it back to the retailer under whatever terms they
offer.  There are plenty of other distributions available that might
give you more satisfaction.

To everyone else, returning fire with fire is NOT the way to resolve
these issues.  This is Linux afterall.  Just take a couple deep breaths,
kick back from the computer for awhile, and take a walk if you need to. 
It's not worth getting THIS upset over.


> > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, your Nibs wrote:
> > >   And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of
> have, I
> > >have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
> > >respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations.
> That
> > >will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me?
> or
> > >do I need to make it clearer for you?
> >
> > Kiss my ass, buttplug.  What sort of contact with reality do you have?
> > Lawsuit? Don't make me laugh.
> >
> > >
> > >-Al
> > >
> > >> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the
> > >damn
> > >> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and
> > >nothing
> > >> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for
> you
> > >even
> > >> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> > >>
> > >> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near
> as
> > >I
> > >> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> > >> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> > >> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> > >> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> > >>
> > >> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> > >>
> > >> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> > >> --The Bard
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > 
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; name="unnamed"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Content-Description:
> > 
> >
> > --
> > Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> >
> > "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> > --The Bard

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] Very weird problem

[Steve Philp]

David Comeau wrote:
> 
> For the first time, I have come across something that completely stumps me. I
> have just installed, for a friend, 6.0 with all the updates. The system, in
> general, works well, with, so far, only one bug(if you want to call it that).
> He has an ESS sound card, whereby he ran isapnp to set it up. His WinModem card
> is also(of course) picked up by isapnp. Unfortunately, if he kept the modem
> uncommented, his souncard doesn't work. Once commented out, the soudcard works.
> But a problem has arisen. Playing an audio CD works as it should, but playing
> any mp3 file through kmpg or Xamp, the soundfile gets slowed down. It gets run
> at a slower speed. Has anyone heard of this ever happening? I use kde on my own
> machine, and have never come across such a thing. I'm using PCIAudio. Is it
> possible that the isapnp is causing this? I doubt it, but maybe there's
> something I'm missing.
> Can anyone help, or direct me to where I can get more info? I checked the
> HOWTOs already, so that hasn't helped.
> Thanks for any help given.

Check out one of the kernel archive sites.  There have been occasional
patches to fix this problem.  At least one of them should be on the
archive sites.  http://www.kernelnotes.org, I think.

-- 
Steve Philp
Network Administrator
Advance Packaging Corporation
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[David Comeau]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > A couple of weeks ago, some had given a possible setup for a winmodem using the
> > setserial command. I have lost theat message. Can the person who wrote it
> > please write back to me directly with that message? I am trying to help an
> > unfortunate friend. Thanking-you in advance,
> >
> Winmodems under Linux are paperweights. Period. Don't
> bother. These are SOFTWARE modems, or modems in name-only.
> Go get a real modem with HARDWARE UARTs, etc.
>   John

I understand, and wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately, not everyone can simply
throw something for no other reason than it not working with all OS's. I had
often ribbed my friend about that very thing. He always looked sheepish after
my having done that. What it comes down to, is, he is aware that he should get
a real modem, but since I had seen a message about two weeks ago, about this
very subject, including a way out(other than trashing the modem:) ), I felt
that it was worth a try. And, if you think about it, it "is" worth a try,
because of all the people who presently have the WinXX/WinModem combination,
and we are trying to win over to linux. I don't think it is very realistic to
expect them all to run out and buy a new modem.

As for you and I, and many who are technically inclined, and versed in
computing, we knew that when we bought our computer, it had to work with most,
if not all, OS's (and for those of you who didn't buy that way, please don't
feel that I am insulting you in any way. I realize that everyone is an
individual, and I feel that everyone should have their own way of purchasing,
even if at times it is unthoughtful and wasteful).

In any case, thanks for the info.

Re: [expert] network problems on Mandrake 6

[Mike Hill]

Herman,

I have the exact same network card combo here.  (two 3c905b's).

I have the same information in /etc/conf.modules also.  Mine works fine.
One NIC (eth0) goes to my Cable modem and the second NIC (eth1) goes to my
hub for my local network.

What output does ifconfig give for eth0 and eth1?  What are you trying to
ping? Some more information on the structure of the network and how
everything is connected would be helpful.

Mike

- Original Message -
From: Herman Van Keer (softouch) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 1999 3:06 PM
Subject: [expert] network problems on Mandrake 6


> Hi,
>
> After installing Linux Mandrake 6.0 I do have a problem with my network:
>
> Motherboard GA-6BXC (Gigabyte)
> Two network cards 3com - 3C905B-TX  (PCI cards)
> I use the default installed driver : 3c59x
> (conf.modules =
> alias eth0 3c59x
> alias eth1 3c59x)
>
> The whole hardware is OK, since I installed RedHat 5.1 on the same
> machine, same configuration and it just works fine.
> Only installing Mandrake just does not get my network connections up and
> running!
> ifconfig gives me both cards, but ping doesn't  give any response
>
> Is there something I missed? Is this a known issue?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> Herman
>

Re: [expert] Very weird problem

[John Aldrich]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> For the first time, I have come across something that completely stumps me. I
> have just installed, for a friend, 6.0 with all the updates. The system, in
> general, works well, with, so far, only one bug(if you want to call it that).
> He has an ESS sound card, whereby he ran isapnp to set it up. His WinModem card
> is also(of course) picked up by isapnp. Unfortunately, if he kept the modem
> uncommented, his souncard doesn't work. Once commented out, the soudcard works.
> But a problem has arisen. Playing an audio CD works as it should, but playing
> any mp3 file through kmpg or Xamp, the soundfile gets slowed down. It gets run
> at a slower speed. Has anyone heard of this ever happening? I use kde on my own
> machine, and have never come across such a thing. I'm using PCIAudio. Is it
> possible that the isapnp is causing this? I doubt it, but maybe there's
> something I'm missing.
> Can anyone help, or direct me to where I can get more info? I checked the
> HOWTOs already, so that hasn't helped.
> Thanks for any help given.
>
Yank the WinModem and get an ISA modem that is NOT a
WinModem or get an external modem. I'll almost guarantee
that if you get rid of the software modem your problems
will vanish!
John

Re: [expert] WinModem question

[John Aldrich]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> A couple of weeks ago, some had given a possible setup for a winmodem using the
> setserial command. I have lost theat message. Can the person who wrote it
> please write back to me directly with that message? I am trying to help an
> unfortunate friend. Thanking-you in advance,
>
Winmodems under Linux are paperweights. Period. Don't
bother. These are SOFTWARE modems, or modems in name-only.
Go get a real modem with HARDWARE UARTs, etc.
John

Re: [expert] Is there a linux offline news reader

[John Aldrich]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Free Agent works pretty well under the latest Wine.
> 
> That's a good news. I will give a try as soon as possible.
> Thanks a lot,
> Olivier.
>
What about Agent32 I've got a fully-registered copy of
Agent32, with all the filtering, etc enabled... I'd LOVE to
be able to filter out a bunch of the crap that's in the
groups! :-)
John

[expert] network problems on Mandrake 6

[Herman Van Keer (softouch)]

Hi,

After installing Linux Mandrake 6.0 I do have a problem with my network:

Motherboard GA-6BXC (Gigabyte)
Two network cards 3com - 3C905B-TX  (PCI cards)
I use the default installed driver : 3c59x
(conf.modules =
alias eth0 3c59x
alias eth1 3c59x)

The whole hardware is OK, since I installed RedHat 5.1 on the same
machine, same configuration and it just works fine.
Only installing Mandrake just does not get my network connections up and
running!
ifconfig gives me both cards, but ping doesn't  give any response

Is there something I missed? Is this a known issue?

Thanks for any advice.
Herman

Re: [expert] ircd requested

[John Aldrich]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Topic says it all. Now is your time to get input on which gets packaged..
> 
> wOOp!  You're going to package ircd?  Cool...  I tried to build an RPM for
> it for a friend and it was way to hard with the pre-compile directives.  I
> tried with the undernet irc daemon tho are there more than that one to
> choose from?  Are you asking for which one you should package?
> 
Hey, Axalon...how about UnRealIRC? A buddy of mine is
running that and says it's pretty cool. :-) 'Course
Undernet won't let you use it, but if you're running Linux,
they don't want you either, I'm told... only BSD boxes! :-)
John

[expert] Re: bug#81: Missing header files in package inn-devel

[Harald Schreiber]

Chmouel Boudjnah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Harald Schreiber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > package: inn-devel
> > version: 2.2-11mdk
> 
> done in the last version from cooker.
> 
> -- 
> MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
>--Chmouel
> 


No, Chmouel, it is not done!

Look at line 8 of libinn.h :#include 
Where is storage.h ?

Look at line 10 of configdata.h : #include "config.h"
Where is config.h ?

And so on.

Look at my original bug report. You must install ALL
header files in my bug report in /usr/include/inn.

As I really don't know anymore where to send bug reports
at mandrakesoft, I have sent it to the maintainer,
the debbug system and all mailing lists which might
be appropiate.

Regards
Harald
-- 
---
 Harald Schreiber,Nizzaalle 26,D-52072 Aachen, Germany
Phone: +49-241-9108015, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---

[expert] FYI

[fred]

http://www.linuxnic.net

[expert] Very weird problem

[David Comeau]

For the first time, I have come across something that completely stumps me. I
have just installed, for a friend, 6.0 with all the updates. The system, in
general, works well, with, so far, only one bug(if you want to call it that).
He has an ESS sound card, whereby he ran isapnp to set it up. His WinModem card
is also(of course) picked up by isapnp. Unfortunately, if he kept the modem
uncommented, his souncard doesn't work. Once commented out, the soudcard works.
But a problem has arisen. Playing an audio CD works as it should, but playing
any mp3 file through kmpg or Xamp, the soundfile gets slowed down. It gets run
at a slower speed. Has anyone heard of this ever happening? I use kde on my own
machine, and have never come across such a thing. I'm using PCIAudio. Is it
possible that the isapnp is causing this? I doubt it, but maybe there's
something I'm missing.
Can anyone help, or direct me to where I can get more info? I checked the
HOWTOs already, so that hasn't helped.
Thanks for any help given.

[expert] WinModem question

[David Comeau]

A couple of weeks ago, some had given a possible setup for a winmodem using the
setserial command. I have lost theat message. Can the person who wrote it
please write back to me directly with that message? I am trying to help an
unfortunate friend. Thanking-you in advance,
David
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations

[Max Klohn]

Le mar, 14 sep 1999, Gael Duval a écrit :
>Al Smith wrote:
>> 
>> Funny talking about 6.2 and 6.1 isn't even out of the gates yet and 6.0
>> is full of bugs...
>
>full of bugs? really? I don't see so much excepted the famous "can't
>unmount /" at shutdown, which has been fixed.

Aw Come on Gael, don't exagerate in the other way... There _are_ still some
serious bugs (who wants a server with a time drift for example) that neeed to
be addressed. Most people aren't bashing you. 
Yours isn't a professional answer, you cannot hope to have CUSTOMERS and/or
POTENTIAL CUSTOMERS paying for a distro and then tell them something like "sod
off" at the first complaint. Very bad policy.


> I'd like you guys not to
>keep on bashing us like that: it's totally useless and by the way, if
>you feel bad with Mandrake, why don't you leave and use another
>distribution?
>
>Greets,
>
>   Gael.
>--
>< Gael DUVAL - [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
>< Mandrake 6.1beta on http://www.linux-mandrake.com/cassini>

Re: [expert] Configuring a small local network and internet connection

[Ken Archer]

Check out this page.  I use both versions of the router and they work.

http://www.linuxsupportline.com/~router/

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Probably this is an FAQ. How to set up a local network with one
> machine connected to the internet via ppp?
> What about proxies/routers? 
> The local network is made up from ethernet 100 Mbps cards and a 5-port
> 100 Mbps HUB.
> The internet connection is an ISDN modem with 64 kbps access.
-- 
Kenneth Archer + San Antonio, Texas
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   ICQ #24980801
Powered by Linux ++ Mailed by Kmail

Re: [expert] Bug Reports...

[Vincent Danen]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Ron Stodden wrote:

> > It's been available on the FTP site as
> > a pre-release or beta (if you will) for some time now.
> 
> I know.  Directory 6.1b contains this.There is now a new 6.1 
> directory on the mirrors in addition, which Axalon tells me is not yet 
> the real thing and changes often (so probably should be ignored).

Well, I don't know about the new 6.1 directory, but I base "release" not
on something sitting in an FTP site but on someone making some sort of
announcement (ie. "Mandrake 6.1 (Helios) is released on such and such a
date").  Since it has been announced like that and the homepage still
refers to Cassini as a beta pre-release, I'm going by that.  

Vincent Danen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) . ICQ: 16978834
BBBS/LiI . Internet Rex for Linux Beta
Stronghold Enterprises/X BBS . http://shx.tzo.net
Telnet://shx.tzo.net . Weblogin-http://shx.tzo.net/shx

Re: [expert] Re: [devel] Bug Reports...

[Harald Schreiber]

Bernhard Rosenkraenzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Harald Schreiber wrote:
> 
> > metamail: invalid mailcap entry : application/pdf: xpdf %s
> > 
> > So I looked at /etc/mailcap and found the above line.
> > 
> > I reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> The bug tracking system at bugs.linux-mandrake.com is under construction
> and doesn't work perfectly yet. For now, please Cc:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] so we'll definitely get the message.
> 
> > So I really dont't know why Mandrakesoft makes a beta test at all.
> 
> Because most people report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [which is just
> a mailing list, but it's well tested and works].
> 

Well, the Mandrake Linux english homepage 
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/main.php3
has a link "report a bug". If I follow this link it leads
me to http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/ which
has a link "Instructions for reporting a bug".
If I follow this link again I come to
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/bugs/Reporting.html
which gives me precise instructions to submit
a bug to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and describes the form a bug report should have.
It doesn't mention the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
at all. I didn't know of the exitence of this
mailing list until now.

Sorry, if I sent the bug reports to the wrong place,
but I just followed the instructions on your web pages.

Regards

Harald

-- 
---
 Harald Schreiber,Nizzaalle 26,D-52072 Aachen, Germany
Phone: +49-241-9108015, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
---

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[David Comeau]

I had already made that decision after I wrote to him, and my thoughts
concerning him were confirmed this morning whilst I read read his name-calling
which was in response to my letter to him yesterday. Mr.Smith now has a filter
that will direct him immediately to Trash folder.

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> 
> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the damn
> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and nothing
> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for you even
> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> 
> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near as I
> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> 
> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> 
> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> --The Bard

[expert] Imposible to upgrade Mandrake-6.0 to 6.1b.

[Dovydas Kulvinskas]

  hello

 I wanted to upgrade my Mandrake-6.0 to Mandrake-6.1b... No way. It
seems problems with disk partitioning. My linux is in hda1 and seems it
don't know how to live in disk without windowz... As U see linux isn't
in extended partition and upgrade is unable to find linux installation
:)

 Thanks Dovydas

Disk /dev/hda: 128 heads, 63 sectors, 782 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 8064 * 512 bytes
 
   Device BootStart   EndBlocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   * 1   508   2048224+  83  Linux
/dev/hda2   509   782   11047685  Extended
/dev/hda5   509   525 68512+  82  Linux swap

Re: [expert]

[Axalon Bloodstone]

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Tom Berger wrote:

> Fred Frigerio wrote:
> > 
> > Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Fred Frigerio wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where are the standard headers?
> > >
> > > /usr/include
> > >
> > > > I did a full install and they are not
> > > > there. I also installed the compilers (qhich did not get installed by
> > > > default) but to no avail. Does anybody know in which RPM if at all I can
> > > > find them?
> > >
> > > glibc-devel
> > >
> > > > Maybe this is one of those bugs, that don;t get fixed that a
> > > > lot of you have been b'chn for a while already. =)
> > >
> > > Not quite - no problems at all here.
> > >
> > > Did you do an ftp install from a broken mirror or something alike?
> > >
> > > LLaP
> > > bero
> > 
> > It worked thanks a lot. Do you guys know where I can find more info about
> > rpm, besides the man pages? I figure there has to be a way to search through
> > a series of *.rpm and find the one that has the file one is looking for. Just
> > that I coulden't figure it out from the man rpm.
> > 
> > DNA
> 
> for i in *.rpm ; do rpm -qpli $i | grep [filename] && echo $i ; done
> 
> (C) Axalon 1999 ;-)

s/C/GPL/g
 
> tom
> 

Somebody remind me to alias that.. it'll be --findfile next time i get my
hands on the rpm .spec 

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

Re: [expert] Why are bugs not fixed ?

[Al Smith]

Kiss my ass, butt plug. Well I can tell you stayed up all night thinking
that one up. My hat goes off to you...

-Al


> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, your Nibs wrote:
> >   And for those that did assist me in any problems that I may of
have, I
> >have thanked and helped them in return. So unless you know me or how I
> >respond or act on things, don't comment on me or make accusations.
That
> >will be one thing that WILL get you landed in a nice lawsuit. Got me?
or
> >do I need to make it clearer for you?
> 
> Kiss my ass, buttplug.  What sort of contact with reality do you have? 
> Lawsuit? Don't make me laugh.
> 
> >
> >-Al
> >
> >> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Al Smith wrote:
> >> 
> >> > Listen you neanderthal I do, do something constructive, I use the
> >damn
> >> > OS. I don't like it when I see and hear things get reported and
> >nothing
> >> > happens. This has been a gripe for months on this list. And for
you
> >even
> >> > thinking I work for MS is low, makes me think you use a Macintosh
> >> 
> >> Folks, haven't we learned not to bother with Mr. Smith yet?  As near
as
> >I
> >> can tell, he helps no one on the list, posts no comments worthy of
> >> discussion, and resorts to ad hominem attacks at the drop of a hat.
> >> Ignore him; my guess is that his "bug reports" have been similiar in
> >> flavor, which might explain why he seems to get little response.
> >> 
> >> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> >> 
> >> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> >> --The Bard
> >> 
> >
> 
> 
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; name="unnamed"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Description: 
> 
> 
> --
> Lee Burnside -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.phys.ttu.edu/~tljlb/
> 
> "Many a good hanging prevents a bad marriage."
> --The Bard

[expert] Configuring a small local network and internet connection

[Svante Signell]

Hello,

Probably this is an FAQ. How to set up a local network with one
machine connected to the internet via ppp?
What about proxies/routers? 
The local network is made up from ethernet 100 Mbps cards and a 5-port
100 Mbps HUB.
The internet connection is an ISDN modem with 64 kbps access.

Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying

[Al Smith]

with that being said and looking at the readme's for the cdrecord
program, I don't think you will even be able to use the 80min CD's to
their utmost capacity. I would also read the README on the CDRECORD
because if you are using a Sony CD-R there are some things that aren't
yet supported with that cd. Including but not limited to multi-session
creation. On the Sony it isn't supported.

-Al


> I know I'm using Outlook Express [WIndows] but my HD Hard Drive died
and I'm
> waiting for my new one to arrive in a couple of days. But I had a
similar
> problem to yours, what is the MODEL and the Make of Your CD-R Drive?
> 
> Some CD-R support 80 Min CD, some don't. Since 80 Minute CD-R aren't
defined
> in the Rainbow Books Specifications. For example, Sony doesn't support
them
> saying that they violete Rainbow Books rules. [The Rainbow Books define
the
> begining and end of the data track on CD-Rs and thus the length of the
data
> track.So for 80 minute CD-Rs, they have to pack the pits closer then
what is
> specifed in Rainbow Books [they define two standards, one for 74Minute
and
> one for 63Minute]]. Rainbow Books is the name of the set of books that
> definte the CD Standards [they have Orange, Blue, Red, Yellow but I
don't
> remember which one is for which].
> 
> By your post, I assume your CD-R doesn't support 80 Minute CDs. Try the
> following:
> 1. Try to read the 80 Minute CD-R Disc from teh CD-R Drive, if that
works
> your CD-ROM doesn't support 80 Minute CD's
> 2. Try to see if there's a FirmWare update on it and if there is try to
> update the firmware, maybe they added 80 Minute CD-R Support.
Otherwise, no
> luck.
> 
> 
> Singer
> - Original Message -
> From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying
> 
> 
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > > Has anyone had any experiences with copying the new 80minute/700MB
> CD-Rs?
> > > I have been trying to copy with no success. I get unspecified write
> > > errors. I had no problems at all the the normal 650MB CD-Rs.
> > >
> > > I am using xcdroast and Mandrake 6.0. The machine is an AMDK6
300MHz
> > >
> > Hmm...the question *I* have is this -- Which is broken, xcdroast or
> > the cd player you tried that new CD in? ;-)
> > John
> 


I know I'm using Outlook Express [WIndows] but my HD Hard Drive died and I'm
waiting for my new one to arrive in a couple of days. But I had a similar
problem to yours, what is the MODEL and the Make of Your CD-R Drive?

Some CD-R support 80 Min CD, some don't. Since 80 Minute CD-R aren't defined
in the Rainbow Books Specifications. For example, Sony doesn't support them
saying that they violete Rainbow Books rules. [The Rainbow Books define the
begining and end of the data track on CD-Rs and thus the length of the data
track.So for 80 minute CD-Rs, they have to pack the pits closer then what is
specifed in Rainbow Books [they define two standards, one for 74Minute and
one for 63Minute]]. Rainbow Books is the name of the set of books that
definte the CD Standards [they have Orange, Blue, Red, Yellow but I don't
remember which one is for which].

By your post, I assume your CD-R doesn't support 80 Minute CDs. Try the
following:
1. Try to read the 80 Minute CD-R Disc from teh CD-R Drive, if that works
your CD-ROM doesn't support 80 Minute CD's
2. Try to see if there's a FirmWare update on it and if there is try to
update the firmware, maybe they added 80 Minute CD-R Support. Otherwise, no
luck.


Singer
- Original Message -
From: John Aldrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 9:45 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] 700MB CD-R copying


> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Has anyone had any experiences with copying the new 80minute/700MB
CD-Rs?
> > I have been trying to copy with no success. I get unspecified write
> > errors. I had no problems at all the the normal 650MB CD-Rs.
> >
> > I am using xcdroast and Mandrake 6.0. The machine is an AMDK6 300MHz
> >
> Hmm...the question *I* have is this -- Which is broken, xcdroast or
> the cd player you tried that new CD in? ;-)
> John

Re: [expert] Which process is access the file ? - HELP !

[Mathieu Bois]

fuser /lib/libabc.so 
gives you the answer

Mathieu

Lang Zhi wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> How to see that which process or user is currently using a file ?
> For example, which process is curently using /lib/libabc.so  ?
> 
> Please help !
> Thanks
> -lz
> 
> __
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Re: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!

[Jeanette Russo]

Haven't seen Max Linux, I always liked Max PC.  I will have to look for it.
Jeanette

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Philp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 10:55 PM
Subject: [expert] WARNING! Maximum Linux CD BAD!


> Good evening all, I hope noone minds a brief distraction from the
> "bugs!" discussion thread!
> 
> I picked up the inaugural issue of Maximum Linux (from the fine gents
> that bring us Maximum PC every month) because Mandrake 6.0 was included
> on the cover CD.
> 
> I have to admit that I've been running Red Hat 6.0 for the past few
> weeks and this is my first experience with Mandrake's latest effort.
> 
> The magazine listed the CD as bootable, but I was unable to get it to
> boot from my new CD-RW.  No biggie, I hooked up the old CDROM and
> installed from there.  Installation went without a hitch, and MaxLinux
> was nice enough to include all but around 7M of updates.
> 
> However, I'm now having a problem trying to use the CD-RW as a CDROM
> drive.  Attempts to read from the drive get continual errors like:
> 
> end_request: I/O error, dev 03:40 (hdb), sector 1197548
> hdb: cdrom_read_intr: data underrun (4
> blocks)  
> 
> Plugging in the normal CDROM yields clean transfers, so I've discounted
> the possibility of cable or motherboard problems.  Using another CD in
> the drive doesn't show any problems either.
> 
> I've got to admit that installing from the magazine CD was quite
> possibly THE WORST experience I've ever had.  I ended up doing an
> extremely basic install, copying files "by hand" onto the hard drive,
> then installing everything and pruning out things I didn't need.
> 
> So, if anyone happens to wonder by the magazine rack and figure they'll
> pick up a nice Mandrake CD from the magazine, THINK AGAIN.  THIS CD IS
> JUNK.
> 
> I'm in the process of copying files from the CD onto my hard drive so I
> can burn a new copy of it.  Wish me luck!
> 
> -- 
> Steve Philp
> Network Administrator
> Advance Packaging Corporation
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

Re: [expert]

[Bernhard Rosenkraenzer]

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Fred Frigerio wrote:

> It worked thanks a lot. Do you guys know where I can find more info about
> rpm, besides the man pages?

RPM howto (should be in /usr/doc/HOWTO), and of course www.rpm.org

> I figure there has to be a way to search through
> a series of *.rpm and find the one that has the file one is looking for. Just
> that I coulden't figure it out from the man rpm.

I don't know if there's an easier/better way to do it, but this works:

for i in *rpm; do
  if rpm -qpl $i |grep WHAT_YOU_ARE_LOOKING_FOR &>/dev/null; then
echo $i
exit 0
  fi
done
echo Not found :/

LLaP
bero

Re: [expert] New M/B problem?

[Axalon Bloodstone]

Boot with the rescue disk from images/rescue/, mount your driver and try
and run 'chroot /where/you/mounted /bin/bash' then 'mingetty' what errors
if any?

On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, Mathieu Bois wrote:

> I don't know what you're talking about, but the message
> 
> > sbin/mgetty: sbin/mgetty cannot execute binary
> > 
> > ID "X" - respawning too fast - disable for 5 minutes
> 
> means that in /etc/inittab, you've got entries for the virtual consoles,
> and for each of them a mgetty program that allows you to enter your
> login/password and logon.
> 
> When the program that mgetty launches (cf inittab to know what it is)
> terminates, mgetty will be relaunched automatically because it is said
> so ("respawn") in the inittab file.
> If the respawn happens too frequently (typically, if the mgetty program
> aborts when it's launched), then, in order to let le machine work and do
> not load the CPU with this faulty process, it is disabled for 5 minutes.
> 5 minutes later, the respawn will take place and if the process fails
> again a lot of times in a short delay, then it will be disabled again
> for 5 minutes, and so on...
> 
> ==> You've got a problem with the mgetty or maybe with the program that
> mgetty launches.
> 
> Hope this helps you a little.
> 
> Mathieu
> 
> Donald Tingle wrote:
> > 
> > Just installed a new M/B w/ AMD 450. Now Linux will not load gives error:
> > Also added a SBlaster pci 16
> > 
> > sbin/mgetty: sbin/mgetty cannot execute binary
> > 
> > ID "X" - respawning too fast - disable for 5 minutes
> > 
> > Don
> 

--
MandrakeSoft  http://www.mandrakesoft.com/
--Axalon

Re: [expert]

[Tom Berger]

Fred Frigerio wrote:
> 
> Bernhard Rosenkraenzer wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Fred Frigerio wrote:
> >
> > > Where are the standard headers?
> >
> > /usr/include
> >
> > > I did a full install and they are not
> > > there. I also installed the compilers (qhich did not get installed by
> > > default) but to no avail. Does anybody know in which RPM if at all I can
> > > find them?
> >
> > glibc-devel
> >
> > > Maybe this is one of those bugs, that don;t get fixed that a
> > > lot of you have been b'chn for a while already. =)
> >
> > Not quite - no problems at all here.
> >
> > Did you do an ftp install from a broken mirror or something alike?
> >
> > LLaP
> > bero
> 
> It worked thanks a lot. Do you guys know where I can find more info about
> rpm, besides the man pages? I figure there has to be a way to search through
> a series of *.rpm and find the one that has the file one is looking for. Just
> that I coulden't figure it out from the man rpm.
> 
> DNA

for i in *.rpm ; do rpm -qpli $i | grep [filename] && echo $i ; done

(C) Axalon 1999 ;-)

tom

-- 
"Never trust a Shoggoth!"
Thomas 'tom' Berger, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LSTB - "advancing the community"

Re: [expert] printing via Windows 95

[Tom Berger]

John Aldrich wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, you wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I have a tiny TCP/IP ether-network over here, consisting of my Linux box
> > and my wife's Windows 95 (no comments, please ;)). The printer is attached
> > to the Win95 box.
> > The Win95 box has a telnet/ftp and a VNC server running.
> >
> > What I currently do when I want to print is:
> >
> > - uploading the file via ftp to the Win95 box
> > - starting a VNC-client and tell the printer to print it
> > - rebooting Win95 from VNC, because it locks the keyboard of the
> > Win-machine :-\
> >
> > This seems quite awkward to me. Isn't there something like Samba for
> > Windows (i.e. a print-server I can just send the files I want printed)?
> > Oh, yeah, for free, of course ;-). Or maybe I can do that via telnet?
> >
> Have you tried going into Network Neighborhood and sharing your
> printer? Then, using SAMBA (IIRC, Win9x REQUIRES encrypted
> passwords...or maybe it's the other way around...sorry, never used
> it, just going from memory ) set up the printer as a NETWORK
> printer and it SHOULD work just fine!
> John


Thanks for all the help! Works like a charm. 

tom
-- 
"Never trust a Shoggoth!"
Thomas 'tom' Berger, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LSTB - "advancing the community"

[expert] Which process is access the file ? - HELP !

[Lang Zhi]

Hi,
How to see that which process or user is currently using a file ?
For example, which process is curently using /lib/libabc.so  ?

Please help !
Thanks
-lz

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RE: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations

[Marc . MOURIER]

Indeed for a private desktop user (mono-user home station if you like) it is
a real pin in the A.. to have to make a complete reinstall...I mean, when
you have to recompile all the apps you didn't find in the the distro (or
that were not working ;)) or make a complete backup of your files and the
sources as well...A private user may not be a system administrator (or may
not want to become one or to act as one in is every day life...)..A private
system is most of the time highly customized. Now we're coming back to the
main issue : what is the market segment ? Private users or net admins in
enterprise? Obviously, priorities are not the same for them. We are back to
the bug fixing priority again...
Just some thoughts... 

> -Message d'origine-
> De: Harald Schreiber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Date: mardi 14 septembre 1999 15:36
> À: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Objet: Re: [expert] 6.1 Helios observations
> 
> 
> Gael Duval <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> []
> > 
> > We have already told the users that it was really better to 
> reinstall
> > everything instead of upgrading. For a clean, complete 
> upgrade, you'll
> > have to wait for Panoramix, in Mandrake 6.2 or more.
> [...]
> 
> Every serious Linux Distribution like Debian or RedHat can be
> upgraded from its predecessor without any problems since many
> years.
> 
> Harald
> 
> -- 
> ---
>  Harald Schreiber,Nizzaalle 26,D-52072 Aachen, Germany
> Phone: +49-241-9108015, Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ---
> 

Re: [expert] New M/B problem?

[Mathieu Bois]

I don't know what you're talking about, but the message

> sbin/mgetty: sbin/mgetty cannot execute binary
> 
> ID "X" - respawning too fast - disable for 5 minutes

means that in /etc/inittab, you've got entries for the virtual consoles,
and for each of them a mgetty program that allows you to enter your
login/password and logon.

When the program that mgetty launches (cf inittab to know what it is)
terminates, mgetty will be relaunched automatically because it is said
so ("respawn") in the inittab file.
If the respawn happens too frequently (typically, if the mgetty program
aborts when it's launched), then, in order to let le machine work and do
not load the CPU with this faulty process, it is disabled for 5 minutes.
5 minutes later, the respawn will take place and if the process fails
again a lot of times in a short delay, then it will be disabled again
for 5 minutes, and so on...

==> You've got a problem with the mgetty or maybe with the program that
mgetty launches.

Hope this helps you a little.

Mathieu

Donald Tingle wrote:
> 
> Just installed a new M/B w/ AMD 450. Now Linux will not load gives error:
> Also added a SBlaster pci 16
> 
> sbin/mgetty: sbin/mgetty cannot execute binary
> 
> ID "X" - respawning too fast - disable for 5 minutes
> 
> Don