Re: [expert] Printing problem - where to start?

2001-11-25 Thread Andreas J. Guelzow

Bill Witherspoon wrote:

>I'm trying print a postscript file (output by Vim). When I preview in gv everthing 
>looks good, but when I print the last 3 lines for each page end up on a page by 
>themselves. So a 3 page file ends up 6 pages. 3 good pages and 3 pages with only 3 
>lines on them??
>
>I tried printing the straight text file from Kate, but it cuts lines off (doesn't 
>wrap them properly).
>
>Can anyone give me a hand?
>
THis sounds like you are printing a postscript file formatted for A4 
(european paper size) on a printer on paper of US letter size. gv will 
now it is A4 and show it to you that way. When you print it of course it 
won't fit on the page. Your right hand margin is probably also slightly 
wider than expected (since A4 is slightly narrower than US letter).

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[expert] Printing problem - where to start?

2001-11-25 Thread Bill Witherspoon

I'm trying print a postscript file (output by Vim). When I preview in gv everthing 
looks good, but when I print the last 3 lines for each page end up on a page by 
themselves. So a 3 page file ends up 6 pages. 3 good pages and 3 pages with only 3 
lines on them??

I tried printing the straight text file from Kate, but it cuts lines off (doesn't wrap 
them properly).

Can anyone give me a hand?

TIA,
Bill. 



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Re: [expert] Network problem

2001-11-25 Thread Dave Sherman

On Sun, 2001-11-25 at 13:42, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> Am Sonntag, 25. November 2001 17:36 schrieben Sie:
> > Couple of questions for you:
> >
> > 1. Can you ping your own interfaces? That is, from your desktop can
> > you ping each of the cards' IP addresses? Can you ping 127.0.0.1?
> > Can you also ping your laptop's card from itself (the real IP and
> > 127.0.0.1)? If you can't do that, then you obviously won't be going
> > anywhere outside...
> 
> Yes to all, all NICs can ping their own address and the NICs in each 
> machine can ping the respective Io addresses.
> 
> > 2. Do you have a firewall running on either of the PCs? Sometimes
> 
> Tried that road already, no success.
> 
> > 3. Do you have internet connection sharing enabled in the desktop
> > PC? If not, it won't be able to forward packets from your laptop
> > out to the internet.
> 
> Yes I did.
> 
> > 4. Can your desktop reach the internet? You seem to imply that you
> > can, but I am not sure.
> 
> Yes it can
> 
> > 5. Am I understanding that your desktop's external interface (eth1)
> > has two IP addresses? Can you give more information about your ADSL
> 
> The external interface is eth0. It is linked to ppp0 which presents 
> itself as the internet connector.
> ADSL in Germany (if you don't have a router) works like this:
> >From the wall socket your telephone line (ISDN) goes to a splitter. 
> >From there one line goes to the ISDN box and further to the ISDN 
> devices. The other line goes to the DSL modem and from there to the 
> NIC in the pc.
> Software used is the pppoe package.
> 
> > I will try to give more help when I see your answers.
> 
> I appreciate the time you waste in this.

As long as your desktop is connecting to the Internet ok, then we can
probably assume everything on that side is setup correctly.

I think the next thing I would try to do is traceroute from your laptop,
to some IP address on the internet. That way, we can see just where your
TCP packets are getting hung up.

To traceroute:
$ /usr/sbin/traceroute 208.20.203.226

The IP address is the static IP of my DSL router. Feel free to try mine,
or another address closer to you.

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Re: [expert] How to update Linux after replacing a motherboard

2001-11-25 Thread civileme

On Sunday 25 November 2001 06:01 pm, Roger Haase wrote:
> I want to replace my flakey motherboard while keeping all my other PC
> components, including my hard drive.  Given I am running Mandrake 8.1, what
> is the best procedure for updating Linux before/after replacing the
> motherboard?
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Roger
>
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Simplest method:

1.  Find your install CDs
2. replace motherboard and
3. Boot from install CD
4. Select Recommended/Update

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Re: [expert] How to update Linux after replacing a motherboard

2001-11-25 Thread ltiu

If all the peripherals are the same, you don't have to do anything.

On Sunday 25 November 2001 19:01, you wrote:
> I want to replace my flakey motherboard while keeping all my other PC
> components, including my hard drive.  Given I am running Mandrake 8.1, what
> is the best procedure for updating Linux before/after replacing the
> motherboard?
>
>
> TIA,
>
> Roger
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[expert] How to update Linux after replacing a motherboard

2001-11-25 Thread Roger Haase

I want to replace my flakey motherboard while keeping all my other PC 
components, including my hard drive.  Given I am running Mandrake 8.1, what 
is the best procedure for updating Linux before/after replacing the 
motherboard?


TIA,

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Re: [expert] Best Browser

2001-11-25 Thread Michael Scottaline

At 10:42 AM 11/25/01 -0600, Dave Sherman wrote:
>
>
>If Galeon won't work, try Opera. The 5.05 Technology Preview for Linux
>works great. I think Mozilla/Galeon renders fonts better, but otherwise
>Opera is just as good. It is free but has a somewhat annoying banner ad,
>which you can get rid of by purchasing Opera.

You can get rid of the banner ads w/o purchasing just by running the 
browser in full screen mode (I think the command is F11).  Then you get 
"nothing but page!"  No interface, no buttons, nada!!!  Just use the 
right mouse button to move through the browser commands as necessary.
Mike

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Re: [expert] Best Browser

2001-11-25 Thread Michael Scottaline

At 04:23 PM 11/25/01 -0500, DStevenson wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>One short questionWhat is the best web browser for Linux (MBK8) ?
>
>Easy question, I guess the answer may be a different story.
>
>I have a number of boxes where MDK8 is the proxy server for the other 
>boxes, also MDK various vers.
>
>I have tried different incarnations of Netscape upto 6.2. I have used 
>Mozilla 0.8
>and Konqueror 2.1.1 and found them to be lacking when it comes to browsing.
>My problems are, pages looking like they have been thrown at the sceeen, 
>pages not loading
>complete, stalling pages, done pages which are blank, and my own website 
>which is missing all but the center frame
>in Netscape 6.2.
>
>It is sad to say, being a devote Linux/Unix user is that the only browser 
>ever to work all the time
>and look good is MS Internet Explorer . I always try to 
>use the Linux browsers
>but end up opening VMWare to Win98 and using MSIEx.
>
>Can someone please educate me as to what browser to use, I would really 
>love a Linux browser than performed.
==
Have you given Opera 5.05 a try yet???
Mike

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Re: [expert] MPlayer

2001-11-25 Thread jipe

Le Dimanche 25 Novembre 2001 22:46, vous avez écrit :
> hi
>
> for mplayer
> i think on the new ones its ./configure --enable-new-gui instead of
> ./configure --enable-gui
>
> On Mon, 2001-11-26 at 06:00, jipe wrote:
> > Le Dimanche 25 Novembre 2001 03:10, vous avez écrit :
> > > Has anybody figured out/compiled/found the little panel for MPlayer.
> > > When I install, and I finally got it installed, I don't see the little
> > > panel for play and all that mess.  I downloaded a skin, and have no
> > > idea where to put it.  And I'm not finding anyting helpful on the
> > > webpage.
> > >
> > > Anybody have any idea on this one?
> > >
> > > Thanks everybody!
> > > tdh
> >
> > to have gui installed, run configure in this way:
> > ./configure --enable-gui
> >
> > to install skins:
> > cd ~/.mplayer
> > mkdir Skin if it doesn't exist
> > cd Skin
> > tar xvfz .tar.gz
> >
> > u can too unzip fonts in font directory
> >
> > to run mplayer with gui type gmplayer or mplayer -gui
> > the skin will be "default"
> > to run with another skin just add: -skin "name of the skin"
> > u can too edit ~/.mplayer/config and specify your prefered skin
> >
> > don't forget to install divx4linux from projectmayo. it allowes u to use
> > the -vc odivx or -vc divx4 options
> >
> > last i compile it from cvs with gcc-2.95.3 and it runs fine.
> >
> > bye
> > jipe
> >
> >
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> >
> > 
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i use mplayer compiled from cvs. last update yesterday
on this version --enable-gui is the right option.
maybe on other versions it can be different... just edit configure to know 
that or type first ./configure --help 

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[expert] Mplayer woes...

2001-11-25 Thread Darren King

Here's the output when I try to build mplayer. I havd gcc 2.96 so I used
configure --disable-gcc-checking.  Any clues?

gcc -O4 -march=k6 -mcpu=k6 -pipe -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -Wall
-g -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -c -o i386/dsputil_mmx.o i386/dsputil_mmx.c 
i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `put_pixels_x2_3dnow':
i386/dsputil_mmx_avg.h:51: Can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS'
while reloading `asm'.
i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `avg_pixels_3dnow':
i386/dsputil_mmx_avg.h:135: Can't find a register in class
`GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'.
i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `put_pixels_x2_sse':
i386/dsputil_mmx_avg.h:51: Can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS'
while reloading `asm'.
i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `avg_pixels_sse':
i386/dsputil_mmx_avg.h:135: Can't find a register in class
`GENERAL_REGS' while reloading `asm'.
i386/dsputil_mmx.c: In function `put_pixels_mmx':
i386/dsputil_mmx.c:199: Can't find a register in class `GENERAL_REGS'
while reloading `asm'.
gmake[1]: *** [i386/dsputil_mmx.o] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/home/darren/sw/MPlayer-0.50/libavcodec'
gmake: *** [libavcodec/libavcodec.a] Error 2







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[expert] Linux - Bridge

2001-11-25 Thread Daryl Johnson

I have a need at my college to use a machine to bridge two networks.  It's my 
intention to configure two n/w cards, one for the first n/w and one for the 
second.  The first n/w contains a firewal, the second doesn't.  Are there any 
factors I should be looking out for?

regards

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Not a program was working not even a browse.
The programmers were wrung out too mindless to care,
Knowing chances of cutover hadn't a prayer.
The users were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of inquiries danced in their heads.
When out in the lobby there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from my tube to see what was the matter.
And what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a Super Programmer, oblivious to fear.
More rapid than eagles, his programs they came,
And he whistled and shouted and called them by name;
On Update!  On Add!  On Inquiry!  On Delete!
On Batch Jobs!  On Closing!  On Functions Complete!
His eyes were glazed over, his fingers were lean,
From Weekends and nights in front of a screen.
A wink of his eye, and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread...
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Re: [expert] RPM rebuild question

2001-11-25 Thread Michael Viron

The full command then would be 'rpm --rebuild --target i386 filename.rpm'
to rebuild an rpm for i386.
(note the two - in front of 'rebuild')

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At 06:49 PM 11/25/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>
>   Hi,
>
>I'm trying to rebuild some source RPMs for my athlon box but
>I have some problems with option  "--target=". I've also found
>that when I type:
>
> "rpm -rebuild --target=i686 filename.rpm"
>
>the result is:
>
> "--target=i686: unknown option"
>
>Can someone help?
>
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
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>
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Re: [expert] Hi Group I don't think my previous question made it

2001-11-25 Thread Ric Tibbetts

I'm not sure what mechanism KDE uses to set the background image.
But if you want to convert a .jpg to .pm, just use *convert* (provided
you have ImageMagic installed).

The syntax is

command - from file - to file

So to convert from .jpg to .pm

convert afile.jpg afile.pm

For more specific information, "man convert"

If man convert comes up empty, check to be sure you have ImageMagic
installed.

Cheers

Ric


steve wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I posted this yesterday, but I I didn't see it in
> the postings.
> 
> Question:
> 
> What the mechanism used to "background images in Kde (Intel,
> Mandrake 8.1)",
> and can this ?Mechanism? be use to drop the same image
> to a IBm Risc 6000 running Aix 4.3.3 and CDE.
> 
> If this ? mechanism ? is an Xsetroot, how do I convert the
> jpeg to a pm files easily.
> 
> Again thanks in advance for your advice.
> 
> Steve
> 
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Re: [expert] RPM rebuild question

2001-11-25 Thread Ric Tibbetts

There was a change on the newer versions of RPM. The "target" flag is
now:

"-target i386" (they dropped the "=".

"man rpm" bears this out:

 --target PLATFORM
  When building the package, interpret PLATFORM as
arch-vendor-os and
  set the macros %_target,  %_target_arch,  and 
%_target_os  accord­
  ingly.

There is no "=" between --target, and the platform designation.

Ric


Fedneg wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:08:05 -0800 (PST)
> SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > If you are rebuilding on the athlon box, then you
> > don't need to use --target= as it will automatically
> > determine that.
> >
> 
> First, thanks for your answer.
> A new question comes to me: what happens if you want to rebuild for i386? Is it 
>possible in Mandrake 8.1.
> 
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> 
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Re: [expert] MPlayer

2001-11-25 Thread Syed Irfan

hi

for mplayer
i think on the new ones its ./configure --enable-new-gui instead of
./configure --enable-gui


On Mon, 2001-11-26 at 06:00, jipe wrote:
> Le Dimanche 25 Novembre 2001 03:10, vous avez écrit :
> > Has anybody figured out/compiled/found the little panel for MPlayer.
> > When I install, and I finally got it installed, I don't see the little
> > panel for play and all that mess.  I downloaded a skin, and have no
> > idea where to put it.  And I'm not finding anyting helpful on the
> > webpage.
> >
> > Anybody have any idea on this one?
> >
> > Thanks everybody!
> > tdh
> 
> to have gui installed, run configure in this way:
> ./configure --enable-gui
> 
> to install skins:
> cd ~/.mplayer
> mkdir Skin if it doesn't exist
> cd Skin
> tar xvfz .tar.gz
> 
> u can too unzip fonts in font directory
> 
> to run mplayer with gui type gmplayer or mplayer -gui
> the skin will be "default"
> to run with another skin just add: -skin "name of the skin"
> u can too edit ~/.mplayer/config and specify your prefered skin
> 
> don't forget to install divx4linux from projectmayo. it allowes u to use the 
> -vc odivx or -vc divx4 options
> 
> last i compile it from cvs with gcc-2.95.3 and it runs fine. 
> 
> bye
> jipe
> 
> 
> -- 
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> On y réussit très bien la première fois !
> Chamfort
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [expert] https sites not working fine...

2001-11-25 Thread SI Reasoning

the versions are more recent. It is possible that you
are running into a bug. Galeon was crashing all over
the place with the default 8.1 version...it has been
much more stable since I compiled (no crashes yet!)

--- Joan Tur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Es Diumenge 25 Novembre 2001 17:42, en SI Reasoning
> va escriure:
> > try taking the source of mozilla 9.6 and galeon
> 0.12-8
> > from cooker and re-compile. I did this for galeon
> and
> > it is running much more stable.
> Do you think that can help?  What can be the
> difference between precompiled 
> an own-compiled versions??  8-?
> 
> Thanks for your answer !   ;)
> 
> > --- Joan Tur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hallo!
> > >
> > > I need to be able to connect to my bank at
> > > www.lineaabierta.com (spanish La
> > > Caixa savings Bank).  No browser works fine...
> all
> > > of them fail at any point.
> > >
> > > And i've tryed Netscape 6.2, Mozilla 0.9.5-2 (&
> > > Galeon), Konqueror (MDK 8.1
> > > version), Opera 5, Opera 5.05b, Netscape 4.78...
> > >
> > > Any help is welcome!!  ;)
> > > --
> > > Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain
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> > >www.ClubIbosim.org
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> > >
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> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain
> a little temporary
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> >
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[expert] mplayer error

2001-11-25 Thread skidley

I am trying to compile mplayer on mdk 8.1, I'm using gcc-3.0-3.0.2-1mdk
from the cooker. I get this error when compiling:

Dec.o DS_AudioDec.cpp
In file included from /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/std_cwchar.h:43,
 from /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/fpos.h:40,
 from /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/std_iosfwd.h:41,
 from /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/stl_algobase.h:77,
 from /usr/include/g++-v3/bits/std_list.h:61,
 from /usr/include/g++-v3/list:31,
 from allocator.h:8,
 from outputpin.h:8,
 from DS_Filter.h:6,
 from DS_AudioDecoder.h:5,
 from DS_AudioDec.cpp:5:
/usr/include/wchar.h: In function `long long int wcstoq(const wchar_t*,
   wchar_t**, int)':
/usr/include/wchar.h:514: cannot convert `const wchar_t* __restrict' to `const
   __gwchar_t*' for argument `1' to `long long int __wcstoll_internal(const
   __gwchar_t*, __gwchar_t**, int, int)'
/usr/include/wchar.h: In function `long long unsigned int wcstouq(const
   wchar_t*, wchar_t**, int)':
/usr/include/wchar.h:520: cannot convert `const wchar_t* __restrict' to `const
   __gwchar_t*' for argument `1' to `long long unsigned int
   __wcstoull_internal(const __gwchar_t*, __gwchar_t**, int, int)'
make[1]: *** [DS_AudioDec.o] Error 1

I wonder has anyone else had similar errors and how to fix it. Do I need
another package or something?
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Re: [expert] https sites not working fine...

2001-11-25 Thread Joan Tur

Es Diumenge 25 Novembre 2001 17:42, en SI Reasoning va escriure:
> try taking the source of mozilla 9.6 and galeon 0.12-8
> from cooker and re-compile. I did this for galeon and
> it is running much more stable.
Do you think that can help?  What can be the difference between precompiled 
an own-compiled versions??  8-?

Thanks for your answer !   ;)

> --- Joan Tur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hallo!
> >
> > I need to be able to connect to my bank at
> > www.lineaabierta.com (spanish La
> > Caixa savings Bank).  No browser works fine... all
> > of them fail at any point.
> >
> > And i've tryed Netscape 6.2, Mozilla 0.9.5-2 (&
> > Galeon), Konqueror (MDK 8.1
> > version), Opera 5, Opera 5.05b, Netscape 4.78...
> >
> > Any help is welcome!!  ;)
> > --
> > Joan Tur. Ibiza - Spain
> > Yahoo & AOL quini2k  ICQ 11407395
> >www.ClubIbosim.org
> >  Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
> >
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Re: [expert] https sites not working fine...

2001-11-25 Thread Joan Tur

Es Diumenge 25 Novembre 2001 14:02, en Tom Badran va escriure:
> > And i've tryed Netscape 6.2, Mozilla 0.9.5-2 (& Galeon), Konqueror (MDK
> > 8.1 version), Opera 5, Opera 5.05b, Netscape 4.78...
>
> Are you sure openssl is installed?
Do you mean the following rpms?
[root@quinipc quini]# rpm -qa|grep ssl
libopenssl0-0.9.6b-1mdk
openssl-0.9.6b-1mdk

> Also try changin your browser
> identification to (i hate to say it) internet explorer as your bank might
> be blocking other browsers.
I also hate that.  I've already sent a message to the bank with no answer 
(1-2 days)... i've found i can make konqueror identify itself as IE but it 
hasn't worked.  I've also tryed that option with Opera with no luck...

And i haven't found that option in Mozilla or NS6.2...  8-?

Anyway thanks for your answer  ;)
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Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release

2001-11-25 Thread Darwin Gottfried

On November 25, 2001 11:53 am, you wrote:


I think MandrakeSoft is getting the message. They have recieved much grief 
since 8.0 ProSuite. Now with this release they probably will be considering 
changing their "wording" on thier offers.

Anyway, we should likely let this thread die, we are all Mandrake users and 
obviously enjoy it or we wouldn't be on this list =)

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RE: [expert] Extras in the DVD release

2001-11-25 Thread Franki


I bought the powerpack , and of the 7 cd's, two are listed as comercial
applications,,  (haven't had time to look yet.)

so am I to assume that the job lot of them are just demo's??   I figured for
the price that mandrake probably had
license deals with the vendors that allows them to distribute them at low
cost,,, (like $5+ shareware stuff you see all over the internet..)

didn't know that it was all demo's,,, that should have been pointed out, in
the very least its a possible court case for mandrake if someone chooses to
hold them to the software that the packs are said to contain, but don't
really.

If microsoft said: Office XP included with winXP, and then just included
word and excel viewer... people would crucify them..

false advertising is illegal..

I love mandrake, but if they become another company trying microsoft tactics
in order to keep the price up for their shareholders, then I will drop them
like a hot rock and suggest the same with all the other people I have
suggested it to or set it up for...

We Want the truth, the Whole Truth and Nothin but the Truth.. and we CAN SO
handle it.. :-)


rgds

Frank
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Expert
Sent: Monday, 26 November 2001 2:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release


Yep, makes me so irate, I could just ---

crack 'em!


On Saturday 24 November 2001 01:29 pm, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> Yeap, that's why the Prosuite DVD leaves a bad "taste".
>
> The source RPM's are included, which is nice, but aside from already
> free freebies, the DVD only gives you Mandrakized RPM's for the programs
> I listed.
>
> Yeah it's nice that the RPM's are included for Realplayer, but since
> it's a free release, it really should have been packaged in the original
> release, etc.
>
> -JMS
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Mike & Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:30 PM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release
> |
> |
> |
> |WHAT?  Why would they package demos on disk and advertise
> |it as part
> |of the distribution?  I specifically commented on this in writing to
> |sales and the lack of comment back lead me to believe that they had
> |somehow included full versions.  Maybe it was a little much to expect,
> |but I think that's false advertising.  When you look at the comparison
> |between the different packages, it's made to sound like you're getting
> |something more by buying the bigger packages.  The only thing
> |this helps
> |is a person with a dialup connection - in which case, buying a
> |prosuite
> |dvd with server software isn't necessary anyway (how are you going to
> |run a server on dialup)
> |
> |This is the third time I've fallen for this - I'm trying to support
> |linux, and feel like I've been ripped off!
> |
> |Needless to say, I've got a dvd coming in the mail and hearing the all
> |the commercial apps are just time-bombed or demos is really
> |annoying. Mike





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Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release

2001-11-25 Thread Expert

HEAR HEAR!!

Well spoken!

On Saturday 24 November 2001 03:17 pm, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> No you are approaching this the wrong way.
>
> The DVD version is touted as containing other "packages" available to
> the end user.
>
> As a result many people purchase this package expecting ALL of those
> listed applications to be available on the DVD.
>
> This is what leaves the "ripped off" feeling.
>
> It would have been far better NOT to have included these demo packages
> or at least not have listed them the way your marketing people have as
> an enticement to purchase the Prosuite.
>
> What you are doing is effectively making everyone feel short changed.
>
> That said, yes you can provide bundled in commercial packages at added
> cost on additional cds provided the end user is fully cognizant of what
> they are getting.
>
> A "Game release" version of Linux should not only be tailored to be
> "game friendly" but ideally should include a full title or two, even if
> this brings up the price. Eh, wait, that's exactly what you did!
>
> Mandrake is in a unique position, in that it can negociate deals with
> the producers to provide fully bundled in apps at a low cost. When you
> list extra applications as "included", this is what we expect. The
> assumption is that the added cost is to pay for these apps.
>
> As an end user, if I'm popping extra money for a "pro" version or the
> like, the first thing I do is look to see what is included. I did this
> when looking at the Pro-suite release...
>
> Oooh it looked nice, all those extra apps listed in the matrix.
>
> Well I get the DVD product only to find that there really ARE NO extra
> apps, other than the few Mandrakized RPM's for the free apps already
> available on the internet.
>
> Hmmm. Not a good buy IMHO.
>
> If I'd have been told that I could get the 3CD set, but for 20.00 more
> I'd get another CD with the Mandrakized RPM's, I'd have gone for the
> latter and felt pretty good about it.
>
> As it is, sorry Civilme, Mandrake's marketing people don't "get it".
>
> Remember I'm merely voicing my displeasure. This represents a minimum of
> 100 or so people who feel likewise but never bother posting messages
> about this.
>
> Pointing to other releases is also a non-sequitor, who cares?
>
> I'm only going by what is posted on Mandrake's web site which is
> misleading.
>
> -JMS
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 3:57 PM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mike & Tracy Holt'
> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release
> |
> |On Saturday 24 November 2001 10:29 am, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> |> Yeap, that's why the Prosuite DVD leaves a bad "taste".
> |>
> |> The source RPM's are included, which is nice, but aside from already
> |> free freebies, the DVD only gives you Mandrakized RPM's for the
> |> programs I listed.
> |>
> |> Yeah it's nice that the RPM's are included for Realplayer, but since
> |> it's a free release, it really should have been packaged in the
> |> original release, etc.
> |>
> |> -JMS
> |>
> |> |-Original Message-
> |> |From: Mike & Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> |> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:30 PM
> |> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release
> |> |
> |> |
> |> |
> |> |WHAT?  Why would they package demos on disk and advertise it as
> |> |part of the distribution?  I specifically commented on this in
> |> |writing to sales and the lack of comment back lead me to
> |
> |believe that
> |
> |> |they had somehow included full versions.  Maybe it was a
> |
> |little much
> |
> |> |to expect, but I think that's false advertising.  When you look at
> |> |the comparison between the different packages, it's made to sound
> |> |like you're getting something more by buying the bigger packages.
> |> |The only thing this helps
> |> |is a person with a dialup connection - in which case, buying a
> |> |prosuite
> |> |dvd with server software isn't necessary anyway (how are
> |
> |you going to
> |
> |> |run a server on dialup)
> |> |
> |> |This is the third time I've fallen for this - I'm trying to support
> |> |linux, and feel like I've been ripped off!
> |> |
> |> |Needless to say, I've got a dvd coming in the mail and hearing the
> |> |all the commercial apps are just time-bombed or demos is really
> |> |annoying. Mike



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Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release

2001-11-25 Thread Expert

Yep, makes me so irate, I could just ---

crack 'em!


On Saturday 24 November 2001 01:29 pm, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> Yeap, that's why the Prosuite DVD leaves a bad "taste".
>
> The source RPM's are included, which is nice, but aside from already
> free freebies, the DVD only gives you Mandrakized RPM's for the programs
> I listed.
>
> Yeah it's nice that the RPM's are included for Realplayer, but since
> it's a free release, it really should have been packaged in the original
> release, etc.
>
> -JMS
>
> |-Original Message-
> |From: Mike & Tracy Holt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 12:30 PM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release
> |
> |
> |
> |WHAT?  Why would they package demos on disk and advertise
> |it as part
> |of the distribution?  I specifically commented on this in writing to
> |sales and the lack of comment back lead me to believe that they had
> |somehow included full versions.  Maybe it was a little much to expect,
> |but I think that's false advertising.  When you look at the comparison
> |between the different packages, it's made to sound like you're getting
> |something more by buying the bigger packages.  The only thing
> |this helps
> |is a person with a dialup connection - in which case, buying a
> |prosuite
> |dvd with server software isn't necessary anyway (how are you going to
> |run a server on dialup)
> |
> |This is the third time I've fallen for this - I'm trying to support
> |linux, and feel like I've been ripped off!
> |
> |Needless to say, I've got a dvd coming in the mail and hearing the all
> |the commercial apps are just time-bombed or demos is really
> |annoying. Mike



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Re: [expert] Network problem

2001-11-25 Thread Wolfgang Bornath

Am Sonntag, 25. November 2001 17:36 schrieben Sie:
> Couple of questions for you:
>
> 1. Can you ping your own interfaces? That is, from your desktop can
> you ping each of the cards' IP addresses? Can you ping 127.0.0.1?
> Can you also ping your laptop's card from itself (the real IP and
> 127.0.0.1)? If you can't do that, then you obviously won't be going
> anywhere outside...

Yes to all, all NICs can ping their own address and the NICs in each 
machine can ping the respective Io addresses.

> 2. Do you have a firewall running on either of the PCs? Sometimes

Tried that road already, no success.

> 3. Do you have internet connection sharing enabled in the desktop
> PC? If not, it won't be able to forward packets from your laptop
> out to the internet.

Yes I did.

> 4. Can your desktop reach the internet? You seem to imply that you
> can, but I am not sure.

Yes it can

> 5. Am I understanding that your desktop's external interface (eth1)
> has two IP addresses? Can you give more information about your ADSL

The external interface is eth0. It is linked to ppp0 which presents 
itself as the internet connector.
ADSL in Germany (if you don't have a router) works like this:
>From the wall socket your telephone line (ISDN) goes to a splitter. 
>From there one line goes to the ISDN box and further to the ISDN 
devices. The other line goes to the DSL modem and from there to the 
NIC in the pc.
Software used is the pppoe package.

> I will try to give more help when I see your answers.

I appreciate the time you waste in this.

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Re: [expert] RPM rebuild question

2001-11-25 Thread Fedneg

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:08:05 -0800 (PST)
SI Reasoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you are rebuilding on the athlon box, then you
> don't need to use --target= as it will automatically
> determine that.
> 


First, thanks for your answer.
A new question comes to me: what happens if you want to rebuild for i386? Is it 
possible in Mandrake 8.1.


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Re: [expert] Best Browser

2001-11-25 Thread DStevenson

Thanks for the response so far. I will look at the browsers mentioned.

Regards,
Dave

On Sunday 25 November 2001  4:23 pm, DStevenson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> One short questionWhat is the best web browser for Linux (MBK8) ?
>
> Easy question, I guess the answer may be a different story.
>
> I have a number of boxes where MDK8 is the proxy server for the other
> boxes, also MDK various vers.
>
> I have tried different incarnations of Netscape upto 6.2. I have used
> Mozilla 0.8 and Konqueror 2.1.1 and found them to be lacking when it comes
> to browsing. My problems are, pages looking like they have been thrown at
> the sceeen, pages not loading complete, stalling pages, done pages which
> are blank, and my own website which is missing all but the center frame in
> Netscape 6.2.
>
> It is sad to say, being a devote Linux/Unix user is that the only browser
> ever to work all the time and look good is MS Internet Explorer  choke>. I always try to use the Linux browsers but end up opening VMWare to
> Win98 and using MSIEx.
>
> Can someone please educate me as to what browser to use, I would really
> love a Linux browser than performed.
>
> TIA
> Dave


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Re: [expert] RPM rebuild question

2001-11-25 Thread SI Reasoning

If you are rebuilding on the athlon box, then you
don't need to use --target= as it will automatically
determine that.

--- Fedneg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>   Hi,
> 
> I'm trying to rebuild some source RPMs for my athlon
> box but
> I have some problems with option  "--target=". I've
> also found
> that when I type:
> 
>  "rpm -rebuild --target=i686 filename.rpm"
> 
> the result is:
> 
>  "--target=i686: unknown option"
> 
> Can someone help?
> 
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
>   Fedneg
> 
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[expert] RPM rebuild question

2001-11-25 Thread Fedneg


Hi,

I'm trying to rebuild some source RPMs for my athlon box but
I have some problems with option  "--target=". I've also found
that when I type:

 "rpm -rebuild --target=i686 filename.rpm"

the result is:

 "--target=i686: unknown option"

Can someone help?


Thanks in advance.

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[expert] Hi Group I don't think my previous question made it

2001-11-25 Thread steve

Hi,

I posted this yesterday, but I I didn't see it in
the postings.

Question:

What the mechanism used to "background images in Kde (Intel,
Mandrake 8.1)",
and can this ?Mechanism? be use to drop the same image
to a IBm Risc 6000 running Aix 4.3.3 and CDE.

If this ? mechanism ? is an Xsetroot, how do I convert the
jpeg to a pm files easily.

Again thanks in advance for your advice.

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Re: [expert] MPlayer

2001-11-25 Thread jipe

Le Dimanche 25 Novembre 2001 03:10, vous avez écrit :
> Has anybody figured out/compiled/found the little panel for MPlayer.
> When I install, and I finally got it installed, I don't see the little
> panel for play and all that mess.  I downloaded a skin, and have no
> idea where to put it.  And I'm not finding anyting helpful on the
> webpage.
>
> Anybody have any idea on this one?
>
> Thanks everybody!
> tdh

to have gui installed, run configure in this way:
./configure --enable-gui

to install skins:
cd ~/.mplayer
mkdir Skin if it doesn't exist
cd Skin
tar xvfz .tar.gz

u can too unzip fonts in font directory

to run mplayer with gui type gmplayer or mplayer -gui
the skin will be "default"
to run with another skin just add: -skin "name of the skin"
u can too edit ~/.mplayer/config and specify your prefered skin

don't forget to install divx4linux from projectmayo. it allowes u to use the 
-vc odivx or -vc divx4 options

last i compile it from cvs with gcc-2.95.3 and it runs fine. 

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Re: [expert] Permanently adding special entries to Menus

2001-11-25 Thread SI Reasoning

use menudrake
--- Tobias Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Al Andersen wrote:
> 
> > You neglected to state which desktop you're using.
> > 
> > If it's KDE:
> > 
> > # cd ~/.kde/share
> > # mkdir applnk
> 
> 
> it's actually applnk-mdk. the only problem with this
> is, that it doesn't 
> work (at least for me). as i've posted here twice
> before, all manual 
> changes to the menus (by adding a .desktop file or
> using menudrake) and 
> all changes to file type associations are gone after
> adding a rpm 
> (sometimes rebooting is enough, too). nobody could
> tell me how to solve 
> this, yet. :(
> 
> -- 
> 
> Free Dmitry Sklyarov, NOW! Fuck the DMCA!
> 
> 
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Re: [expert] Best Browser

2001-11-25 Thread Tim Holmes

Opera

http://www.opera.com/

Check it out!  I only use 'Nutscrape' for some of those weird Flash
sites, and that's only once a while that I need that.
tdh

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 | Hi All, 
 | 
 | One short questionWhat is the best web browser for Linux (MBK8) ?
 | 
 | Easy question, I guess the answer may be a different story.
 | 
 | I have a number of boxes where MDK8 is the proxy server for the other boxes, also 
 |MDK various vers.
 | 
 | I have tried different incarnations of Netscape upto 6.2. I have used Mozilla 0.8
 | and Konqueror 2.1.1 and found them to be lacking when it comes to browsing.
 | My problems are, pages looking like they have been thrown at the sceeen, pages not 
 |loading
 | complete, stalling pages, done pages which are blank, and my own website which is 
 |missing all but the center frame
 | in Netscape 6.2.
 | 
 | It is sad to say, being a devote Linux/Unix user is that the only browser ever to 
 |work all the time
 | and look good is MS Internet Explorer . I always try to use the 
 |Linux browsers
 | but end up opening VMWare to Win98 and using MSIEx. 
 | 
 | Can someone please educate me as to what browser to use, I would really love a Linux 
 |browser than performed.
 | 
 | TIA
 | Dave
 | 
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Re: [expert] Best Browser

2001-11-25 Thread Dave Sherman

On Sun, 2001-11-25 at 15:23, DStevenson wrote:
> Hi All, 
> 
> One short questionWhat is the best web browser for Linux (MBK8) ?

> I have tried different incarnations of Netscape upto 6.2. I have used Mozilla 0.8
> and Konqueror 2.1.1 and found them to be lacking when it comes to browsing.
> My problems are, pages looking like they have been thrown at the sceeen, pages not 
>loading
> complete, stalling pages, done pages which are blank, and my own website which is 
>missing all but the center frame
> in Netscape 6.2.

Don't waste your time with Netscape 6.anything, just use the latest
Mozilla -- at this time, 0.9.6 or 0.9.5. Netscape is based on Mozilla
anyway, and is always a couple of point releases behind, plus it has a
bunch of extra AOL junk added that you probably don't need anyway.

If you can't use Mozilla, try Galeon. It uses the Mozilla rendering
engine (Gecko), and so requires Mozilla to be installed, but it has a
lighter interface, and uses much less memory -- it also renders pages
faster than Mozilla. It is my browser of choice.

If Galeon won't work, try Opera. The 5.05 Technology Preview for Linux
works great. I think Mozilla/Galeon renders fonts better, but otherwise
Opera is just as good. It is free but has a somewhat annoying banner ad,
which you can get rid of by purchasing Opera.

You already know about Konqueror. I don't really like it, but others
swear by it, so I suppose it is just a matter of preference.

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Re: [expert] https sites not working fine...

2001-11-25 Thread SI Reasoning

try taking the source of mozilla 9.6 and galeon 0.12-8
from cooker and re-compile. I did this for galeon and
it is running much more stable.
--- Joan Tur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hallo!
> 
> I need to be able to connect to my bank at
> www.lineaabierta.com (spanish La 
> Caixa savings Bank).  No browser works fine... all
> of them fail at any point.
> 
> And i've tryed Netscape 6.2, Mozilla 0.9.5-2 (&
> Galeon), Konqueror (MDK 8.1 
> version), Opera 5, Opera 5.05b, Netscape 4.78...
> 
> Any help is welcome!!  ;)
> -- 
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> Yahoo & AOL quini2k  ICQ 11407395
>www.ClubIbosim.org
>  Linux: usuari registrat 190.783
> 
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Re: [expert] Network problem

2001-11-25 Thread Dave Sherman

On Sat, 2001-11-24 at 20:38, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a desktop and a notebook, both connected via cross-over cable. 
> The desktop is connected to internet via ADSL.
> 
> Both machines run MDK 8.1
> 
> Desktop:
> 
> eth0  RealTek RTL-8029  module = ne2k-pci   IRQ 12
> eth1  3com 3C509   module = 3c509   IRQ10 (ISA)
> 
> Both modules load at bootup.
> 
> ifconfig shows (while eth0 is connected as ppp0 to the internet):
> 
> eth0  Protokoll:Ethernet  Hardware Adresse 00:50:BA:31:0F:B2
>   inet Adresse:10.0.0.10  Bcast:10.0.0.255 Maske:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:93 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:96 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:100
>   RX bytes:65325 (63.7 Kb)  TX bytes:14185 (13.8 Kb)
>   Interrupt:12 Basisadresse:0xe800
> 
> eth1  Protokoll:Ethernet  Hardware Adresse 00:20:AF:6E:F5:16
>  inet Adresse:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255 Maske:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:16 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1
>   Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:100
>   RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:672 (672.0 b)
>   Interrupt:10 Basisadresse:0x300
> 
> route -n shows:
> 
> 217.5.98.14   0.0.0.0   255.255.255.255 UH   0   0 0 ppp0
> 10.0.0.00.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 U 0   0 0 eth0
> 192.168.0.0   0.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 U 0   0 0 eth1
> 127.0.0.0   0.0.0.0  255.0.0.0 U 0   0 0 lo
> 0.0.0.0   217.5.98.140.0.0.0   UG   0   0 0 ppp0
> 
> --
> 
> Notebook:
> 
> eth0 SIS900   module = sis900   IRQ 10
> Module loads
> 
> ifconfig says:
> eth0  Protokoll:Ethernet  Hardware Adresse 00:a0:cc:c6:b3:58  
> inet Adresse:192.168.0.2  Bcast:192.168.0.255 Maske:255.255.255.0
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:44 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
>   Kollisionen:0 Sendewarteschlangenlänge:100
>   RX bytes: 0 (0.0 Kb)  TX bytes:3615 (3.5 Kb)
>   Interrupt:10 Basisadresse:0xd000
> 
> route -n says:
> 
> 192.168.0.0   0.0.0.0   255.255.255.0 U 0   0 0 eth0
> 127.0.0.0   0.0.0.0   255.0.0.0U 0   0 0 lo
> 0.0.0.0   192.168.0.10.0.0.0   UG   0   0 0 eth0
> 
> 
> 
> All in all it looks ok to me. But the desktop doesn't ping the 
> notebook and vice versa. The notebook can't connect to the internet.
> The cable was the last resort but it's ok, I tested it at a friend's 
> machine who has a similar setup.
> 
> What is wrong here?
> 
> wobo

Couple of questions for you:

1. Can you ping your own interfaces? That is, from your desktop can you
ping each of the cards' IP addresses? Can you ping 127.0.0.1? Can you
also ping your laptop's card from itself (the real IP and 127.0.0.1)? If
you can't do that, then you obviously won't be going anywhere outside...

2. Do you have a firewall running on either of the PCs? Sometimes
firewalls will block ICMP (ping) packets, and so your pings are unable
to work. Try turning off your firewall -- in MDK 8.1, assuming you are
using the built-in firewall, run (as root) '/etc/init.d/iptables stop'
but without the quotes. This is for a 2.4 kernel. If you are using the
2.2 kernel, try '/etc/init.d/ipchains stop'. If you are not using the
built-in firewall, then just try (as root) 'iptables -F' or 'ipchains
-F' -- these will flush the firewall rules and allow anything. Just
restart your firewall to bring the rules back.

3. Do you have internet connection sharing enabled in the desktop PC? If
not, it won't be able to forward packets from your laptop out to the
internet.

4. Can your desktop reach the internet? You seem to imply that you can,
but I am not sure.

5. Am I understanding that your desktop's external interface (eth1) has
two IP addresses? Can you give more information about your ADSL setup? I
am only familiar with the kind that uses a router or bridge to connect,
so that the router/bridge gets a phone wire from the wall, and has an
ethernet wire going out to eihter a hub or a single PC with a standard
NIC. This device, if a router, usually runs a dhcp server and provides
all connection information needed for the PCs. If it's a bridge, then
the PCs either need to be running dhcp and get their info from the ISP,
or they need to have static IP addresses (and other network stuff, like
DNS and default gateway) assigned.

I will try to give more help when I see your answers.

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[expert] Best Browser

2001-11-25 Thread DStevenson

Hi All, 

One short questionWhat is the best web browser for Linux (MBK8) ?

Easy question, I guess the answer may be a different story.

I have a number of boxes where MDK8 is the proxy server for the other boxes, also MDK 
various vers.

I have tried different incarnations of Netscape upto 6.2. I have used Mozilla 0.8
and Konqueror 2.1.1 and found them to be lacking when it comes to browsing.
My problems are, pages looking like they have been thrown at the sceeen, pages not 
loading
complete, stalling pages, done pages which are blank, and my own website which is 
missing all but the center frame
in Netscape 6.2.

It is sad to say, being a devote Linux/Unix user is that the only browser ever to work 
all the time
and look good is MS Internet Explorer . I always try to use the Linux 
browsers
but end up opening VMWare to Win98 and using MSIEx. 

Can someone please educate me as to what browser to use, I would really love a Linux 
browser than performed.

TIA
Dave



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Re: [expert] MPlayer

2001-11-25 Thread Jose Luis Vazquez Gonzalez

I finally got it working (with no GUI yet).

I installed gcc3.0-3.02 RPMs series from Mandrake Cooker. I also had to 
disable DirectShow when compiling MPlayer: 

./configure --disable-dshow 

And now I can play AVIs on my linux box.

Thanks.

Jose

El Domingo 25 Noviembre 2001 01:42, Alexander Skwar escribió:
> So sprach »Jose Luis Vazquez Gonzalez« am 2001-11-24 um 20:53:35 +0100 :
> > I am trying to compile Mplayer with the --disable-gcc-checking option and
> > I
>
> Try to compile with gcc 3.0.2.
>
>
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Re: [expert] Permanently adding special entries to Menus

2001-11-25 Thread Tobias Marx

Al Andersen wrote:

> You neglected to state which desktop you're using.
> 
> If it's KDE:
> 
> # cd ~/.kde/share
> # mkdir applnk


it's actually applnk-mdk. the only problem with this is, that it doesn't 
work (at least for me). as i've posted here twice before, all manual 
changes to the menus (by adding a .desktop file or using menudrake) and 
all changes to file type associations are gone after adding a rpm 
(sometimes rebooting is enough, too). nobody could tell me how to solve 
this, yet. :(

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Re: [expert] https sites not working fine...

2001-11-25 Thread Tom Badran

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> version), Opera 5, Opera 5.05b, Netscape 4.78...

Are you sure openssl is installed? Also try changin your browser 
identification to (i hate to say it) internet explorer as your bank might be 
blocking other browsers.

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[expert] https sites not working fine...

2001-11-25 Thread Joan Tur

Hallo!

I need to be able to connect to my bank at www.lineaabierta.com (spanish La 
Caixa savings Bank).  No browser works fine... all of them fail at any point.

And i've tryed Netscape 6.2, Mozilla 0.9.5-2 (& Galeon), Konqueror (MDK 8.1 
version), Opera 5, Opera 5.05b, Netscape 4.78...

Any help is welcome!!  ;)
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RE: [expert] Family Internet access

2001-11-25 Thread Jose M. Sanchez

The easiest way to configure ppp to work (and thereby get Diald to also
work) is to enable Linuxconf's PPP module and configure things from
there.

Merely fill everything out in the gui.

Once you have everything enter properly "ifup ppp0" should work.

KPPP bypasses this altogether creating a completely different (and
sometimes conflicting) way of getting the connection established.

For awhile Mandrake was moving towards integrating Linuxconf as they
overall control center.

8.0 went in this direction very strongly. In 8.1 a complete reversal
seems to have occurred.

Ooops I just got on the soapbox again...

-JMS


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|From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
|[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aristotle
|Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 5:53 AM
|To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|Subject: Re: [expert] Family Internet access
|
|
|Unfourtunately I don't think that will allow me to use command line 
|non-user specific dial up connection control.  I will have a go though 
|and see what happens.
|
|the problem is that /sbin/ifup ppp0 does not work - even under root. 
|The modem light flashes briefly and then the command stalls.  It has 
|happened with Mandrake before and I wonder if this is a Mandrake 
|specific problem to use command line / non user specific 
|(generic?) dial 
|up control.  Only KPPP seems to work.
|
|Thanks,
|
|Ian
|
|Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
|
|> There are two ways to do this;
|> 
|> You can enable "demand dial" in PPP or you can use DIALD.
|> 
|> Diald gives you much better control over automatic "dialing" (or the 
|> establishment of an internet connection).
|> 
|> -JMS
|> 
|> |-Original Message-
|> |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aristotle
|> |Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:39 AM
|> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> |Subject: Re: [expert] Family Internet access
|> |
|> |
|> |Is there any way it can be rigged so anyone can start or stop the
|> |connection?
|> |
|> |Mark Weaver wrote:
|> |
|> |> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:17:20 +1030
|> |> Aristotle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |>>And that will allow me to shut down the connection with KPPP 
|> |>>started from another account?
|> |>>
|> |>>
|> |> 
|> |> no...in order to shut down a kppp connection from another user you
|> |> need to be root.
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> |> 
|> 
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Re: [expert] MPlayer

2001-11-25 Thread Dave Naylor

Hiyas

On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 10:23:11 +0100

Alexander Skwar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So sprach »Tim Holmes« am 2001-11-24 um 21:10:57 -0500 :
> > Has anybody figured out/compiled/found the little panel for MPlayer.
> > When I install, and I finally got it installed, I don't see the little
> > panel for play and all that mess.  I downloaded a skin, and have no
> > idea where to put it.  And I'm not finding anyting helpful on the
> > webpage.
 
> You know, it kinda helps to read the documentation.  Just sometimes
> 
> man mplayer
> 
> Everything is said in the man page.

I basically read the web page and had it up and running fairly quickly. 
The same with Ogle.

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Re: [expert] Family Internet access

2001-11-25 Thread Aristotle

Unfourtunately I don't think that will allow me to use command line 
non-user specific dial up connection control.  I will have a go though 
and see what happens.

the problem is that /sbin/ifup ppp0 does not work - even under root. 
The modem light flashes briefly and then the command stalls.  It has 
happened with Mandrake before and I wonder if this is a Mandrake 
specific problem to use command line / non user specific (generic?) dial 
up control.  Only KPPP seems to work.

Thanks,

Ian

Jose M. Sanchez wrote:

> There are two ways to do this;
> 
> You can enable "demand dial" in PPP or you can use DIALD.
> 
> Diald gives you much better control over automatic "dialing" (or the
> establishment of an internet connection).
> 
> -JMS
> 
> |-Original Message-
> |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aristotle
> |Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 5:39 AM
> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |Subject: Re: [expert] Family Internet access
> |
> |
> |Is there any way it can be rigged so anyone can start or stop the 
> |connection?
> |
> |Mark Weaver wrote:
> |
> |> On Sat, 17 Nov 2001 22:17:20 +1030
> |> Aristotle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |> 
> |> 
> |>>And that will allow me to shut down the connection with KPPP started
> |>>from another account?
> |>>
> |>>
> |> 
> |> no...in order to shut down a kppp connection from another user you 
> |> need to be root.
> |> 
> |> 
> |> 
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RE: [expert] Qmail setup

2001-11-25 Thread Rony Shapiro

"Life with qmail" is the canonical source. I found it very helpful.

http://www.lifewithqmail.org/

enjoy,

ronys

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Hi All,

I would like to setup a linux box to deliver mail locally and
maybe in the future externally using Qmail.
Anyone with a nice home page to suggest, where I can get some
basic information how to setup Qmail for a local network ?

Thanks in advance

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[expert] ext3 fsck problem with latest kernel

2001-11-25 Thread SI Reasoning

I have 2 hard drives. hda2 is /boot and hdb2 is /
both of these run ext3 which were built from former
ext2 partitions. When I first did the conversion I had
to mkinitrd before I could get / to use ext3. It had
worked fine until the latest upgrade to kernel
2.4.8-34.1mdk. Now it kicks out trying to do an fsck
because hdb2 is already mounted. Earlier in the boot
process it loaded the ext3 module and checked the
journal for hdb2, then shortly after loading devfs, it
again tries to fsck hdb2 and halts the process with
the error message stating that hdb2 is already
mounted. I have tried a new mkinitrd with the latest
kernel but I still get this message.

Any ideas or is this a known bug? I have researched
the lists and could not find this mentioned yet.

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Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release

2001-11-25 Thread Mike & Tracy Holt

Mike & Tracy Holt wrote:

> EXACTLY!!!  I couldn't have said it better. I would like to add though, 
> NOWHERE on the mandrake site does it mention that the commercial apps 
> are demos.  NOWHERE on the box you have on the shelves in the store 
> mention that they are demos and if it were Microsoft which had done this 
> (civileme) you would be bitching about it to no end.  It's plain and 
> simple FALSE ADVERTISING!!
> 
> On the flip side, mandrake is my favorite distro and I would've simply 
> DONATED MONEY (as is available on the mandrakestore web site) had I 
> known that I was only getting stuff that I already have on my computer! 
>  I'm also now going to have to wait to buy win4lin as it's not in the 
> budget this month after sending away for a mandrake prosuite pack which 
> I THOUGHT INCLUDED THAT SOFTWARE PACKAGE!  AARGH!!!  I AM NOW VERY 
> PISSED OFF!!!  Like Jose has already said, it would've been far better 
> NOT to have included those packages because I feel mandrake is worth 
> supporting WITHOUT that stuff.  Since I end up using cooker most of the 
> time, I tend to download the stuff I need, it would've been much more 
> convenient if I had known what I was getting in the package before I 
> bought it.
> 
> And finally; civileme, your arguments are very weak - you make it sound 
> as though a complete rookie would be buying your prosuite package?  Why? 
>  That doesn't make any sense - if someone were that unfamiliar with 
> linux as to not be able to sucessfully install and use StarOffice, do 
> you really think they're going to go out and buy your most expensive 
> package?  Let me see a show of hands from all people who run and jump 
> right in the flippin pool before checking to see if there's any water?? 
>  And if you want to include mandrakeized packages for some other 
> 'high-end' server software, advertise it as that and sell it separatly! 
>  $20 for a cd full of mdk.rpm's and say it's tested and approved to run 
> on mdk 8.1 - but you still must say that they are DEMOS!!!  DAMN!  How 
> hard is that to understand?!
> 
> Mike
> 
> Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> 
>> No you are approaching this the wrong way.
>>
>> The DVD version is touted as containing other "packages" available to
>> the end user.
>>
>> As a result many people purchase this package expecting ALL of those
>> listed applications to be available on the DVD.
>>
>> This is what leaves the "ripped off" feeling.
>>
>> It would have been far better NOT to have included these demo packages
>> or at least not have listed them the way your marketing people have as
>> an enticement to purchase the Prosuite.
>>
>> What you are doing is effectively making everyone feel short changed.
>>
>> That said, yes you can provide bundled in commercial packages at added
>> cost on additional cds provided the end user is fully cognizant of what
>> they are getting.
>>
>> A "Game release" version of Linux should not only be tailored to be
>> "game friendly" but ideally should include a full title or two, even if
>> this brings up the price. Eh, wait, that's exactly what you did!
>>
>> Mandrake is in a unique position, in that it can negociate deals with
>> the producers to provide fully bundled in apps at a low cost. When you
>> list extra applications as "included", this is what we expect. The
>> assumption is that the added cost is to pay for these apps.
>>
>> As an end user, if I'm popping extra money for a "pro" version or the
>> like, the first thing I do is look to see what is included. I did this
>> when looking at the Pro-suite release...
>>
>> Oooh it looked nice, all those extra apps listed in the matrix.
>>
>> Well I get the DVD product only to find that there really ARE NO extra
>> apps, other than the few Mandrakized RPM's for the free apps already
>> available on the internet.
>>
>> Hmmm. Not a good buy IMHO.
>>
>> If I'd have been told that I could get the 3CD set, but for 20.00 more
>> I'd get another CD with the Mandrakized RPM's, I'd have gone for the
>> latter and felt pretty good about it.
>>
>> As it is, sorry Civilme, Mandrake's marketing people don't "get it".
>>
>> Remember I'm merely voicing my displeasure. This represents a minimum of
>> 100 or so people who feel likewise but never bother posting messages
>> about this.
>>
>> Pointing to other releases is also a non-sequitor, who cares?
>>
>> I'm only going by what is posted on Mandrake's web site which is
>> misleading.
>>
>> -JMS
>>
>> |-Original Message-
>> |From: civileme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Saturday, 
>> November 24, 2001 3:57 PM
>> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mike & Tracy Holt'
>> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release
>> |
>> |
>> |On Saturday 24 November 2001 10:29 am, Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
>> |> Yeap, that's why the Prosuite DVD leaves a bad "taste".
>> |>
>> |> The source RPM's are included, which is nice, but aside from 
>> already |> free freebies, the DVD only gives you Mandrakized RPM's for 
>> 

Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release

2001-11-25 Thread Mike & Tracy Holt

Mike & Tracy Holt wrote:

> Civileme?  Are you listening??  This is the point you need to take to 
> your superiors instead of just sitting here defending their actions. 
> You've got an email right here telling you exactly how you just lost 
> your bonus for this year - are you paying attention?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Jose M. Sanchez wrote:
> 
>> Exactly.
>>
>> If Mandrake needs to charge more to make a profit, then let them do so.
>>
>> -JMS
>>
>> |-Original Message-
>> |From: vnc . [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Saturday, November 24, 
>> 2001 5:31 PM
>> |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> |Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> |Subject: Re: [expert] Extras in the DVD release
>> |
>> |
>> |On Saturday 24 November 2001 14:17, you wrote:
>> |
>> |>As it is, sorry Civilme, Mandrake's marketing people don't "get it".
>> |
>> |The same was with 8.0 Prosuite edition citing 2 updates in the |life 
>> cycle of |the product (8.1 ...8.2). My companies purchase was based on 
>> |the though |(lead by the web site's statment) that when 8.1 was 
>> released, |there would be |a full update. Not a single CD which only 
>> updated X, some |wizards etc. Not a |full upgrade. The response from 
>> MandrakeSoft was..."a full updrade to |include things like kernel 
>> would "pull" the whole 8.1 release |which is not |feasable" ...their 
>> words not mine.
>> |
>> |Our intention was to seriously review mandrake for some |machines we 
>> were |moving to linux from windows. Mandrake was considered after 
>> |that event to be |not the type of organization my company was willing 
>> to go |with, and the |decision was made to put the workstations to 
>> RedHat 7.2. |Todate, 97 of the |150 targetted machines have been 
>> flipped to rh. Incidentaly, |as a point of |"salt in the wound", My 
>> company is purchasing each machine as |full pack + |support contracts. 
>> It's thier way of giving back to the |community. 150*69 US |= ??? 
>> ...some nice profit I'd bet.
>> |
>> |Once again, as the people speak. There is some misrepresentation by 
>> |MandrakeSoft thats going to eventualy cost them a place in the 
>> |distro world.
>> |
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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