Re: [expert] mdk8.2 and radeon 7000 pci

2002-05-07 Thread nDiScReEt

On Monday 06 May 2002 11:17 pm, you wrote:
 Mike,
It may be working like the integrated sound on my mobo I had to
 go into BIOS and turn off the sound TWICE (in too different
 locations that's why the caps) in order to get it working.  Even
 though Linux recognized the sound card it wouldn't let my SBLive!
 work until I did this.  Now here is the funny part.  Even though
 sound is turned off in BIOS both cards work.  Just that when it's
 turned on the pci one doesn't.  Also look to see if it's set up for
 AGP video only.  This may also be the case.

 James

I've found that another way to get your SBLive working without going into the 
BIOS, is to switch the snd-slot-# entries between the two sound cards. Or 
better yet, delete the entry for the internal snd module in /etc/modules.conf 
and change the snd-slot-# for your pci sound card one digit less. If it was a 
one, it should now be a zero. That is what I did to get my audigy card to 
work. LM 8.2 by default choose my internal sound card and didn't give me an 
option at install to choose otherwise.

-- 

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Maximum Time Unlimited
Chicago Based and Operated

You are old, said the youth, and your jaws are too weak
For anything tougher than suet;
Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak --
Pray, how did you manage to do it?

In my youth, said his father, I took to the law,
And argued each case with my wife;
And the muscular strength which it gave to my jaw,
Has lasted the rest of my life.

You are old, said the youth, one would hardly suppose
That your eye was as steady as ever;
Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose --
What made you so awfully clever?

I have answered three questions, and that is enough,
Said his father.  Don't give yourself airs!
Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
Be off, or I'll kick you down stairs!
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Re: [expert] Problems mounting NTFS

2002-05-07 Thread nDiScReEt

On Tuesday 07 May 2002 01:05 am, you wrote:
 On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 12:10, nDiScReEt wrote:
  On Monday 06 May 2002 12:40 am, you wrote:
   Brian Parish wrote:
I have heard that there are utilities to do this, but haven't wanted
to use them myself.  There has been some discussion here or on the
newbie list which has mentioned some possibilities.  You may like to
check the archives.
  
   http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm
  
   try that, I've not tried it myself yet though so don't ask how it works
   or for much more help :)
 
  I've used this program for over two years. I can vouch that it works but
  your filesystem will have to be ext2 on the linux partitions. When I
  changed mine to reiserfs, XFS, and even ext3, I lost the ability to see
  on those drives with the exception for my /boot partition that was
  mounted with ext2 as it's filesystem.
 
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 Good news!  i just installed it and all my ext3 partitions seen.  Works
 just fine.  Altoine, it must have been updated for ext3 since you last
 downloaded.

 Brian

Actually, it has. I checked out the site and sure enough it is a newer 
program.

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I went to a job interview the other day, the guy asked me if I had any
questions , I said yes, just one, if you're in a car traveling at the
speed of light and you turn your headlights on, does anything happen?

He said he couldn't answer that, I told him sorry, but I couldn't work
for him then.
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Re: [expert] mdk8.2 and radeon 7000 pci

2002-05-07 Thread James

On Tue, 7 May 2002 01:39:35 -0500
nDiScReEt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Comments Inline for (hopefully) Clarity: 

 On Monday 06 May 2002 11:17 pm, you wrote:
  Mike,
 It may be working like the integrated sound on my mobo I had
 to go into BIOS and turn off the sound TWICE (in too
 different locations that's why the caps) in order to get it
 working.  Even though Linux recognized the sound card it
 wouldn't let my SBLive! work until I did this.  Now here is
 the funny part.  Even though sound is turned off in BIOS both
 cards work.  Just that when it's turned on the pci one
 doesn't.  Also look to see if it's set up for AGP video only.
  This may also be the case.
 
  James
 
 I've found that another way to get your SBLive working without
 going into the BIOS, is to switch the snd-slot-# entries between
 the two sound cards. Or 

No sound slot since the second snd card is onboard.

 better yet, delete the entry for the internal snd module in
 /etc/modules.conf and change the snd-slot-# for your pci sound
 card one digit less. If it was a one, it should now be a zero.
 That is what I did to get my audigy card to work. LM 8.2 by
 default choose my internal sound card and didn't give me an option
 at install to choose otherwise.

without turning the sound off on this mobo (ASUS TUSL2) it wouldn't
even boot.  Kept getting conflicts like mad from BIOS itself and it
would through me back into the BIOS config (almost like windwoze
throughing you into cripple mode)  But thanks for the info. 
 -- 
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 --- Altoine B
 Maximum Time Unlimited
 Chicago Based and Operated
 -
 ---You are old, said the youth, and your jaws are too weak
   For anything tougher than suet;
 Yet you finished the goose, with the bones and the beak --
   Pray, how did you manage to do it?
 
 In my youth, said his father, I took to the law,
   And argued each case with my wife;
 And the muscular strength which it gave to my jaw,
   Has lasted the rest of my life.
 
 You are old, said the youth, one would hardly suppose
   That your eye was as steady as ever;
 Yet you balanced an eel on the end of your nose --
   What made you so awfully clever?
 
 I have answered three questions, and that is enough,
   Said his father.  Don't give yourself airs!
 Do you think I can listen all day to such stuff?
   Be off, or I'll kick you down stairs!
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[expert] Win4Lin: security

2002-05-07 Thread Charles Muller

The advice I received on Win4Lin was very helpful. I installed it today
without a hitch, and it works well.

I am using the standard security setup that comes with the LM 8.2
installation. Should I be concerned about setting up a firewall with the
Win4Lin/Win98 installation inside of LM 8.2?

Regards,

Chuck

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[expert] KDE 3.0, AA Fonts, and Helvetica

2002-05-07 Thread Chris Spencer

Hello,

What does one have to do to get an anti-aliased Helvetica font in KDE 3.0? 
Anti-aliased fonts are working fine for me on my desktop and my applications, 
however I am finding that there are some web pages out there (including 
www.linux-mandrake.org) that are coming up with non-AA Helvetica font. Its 
not that big of a deal but its really starting to bug me.

I have checked my XftConfig file and I do have the line:

match any family == Helvetica edit family =+ Verdana;

Uncommented. I have tried uncommenting the Use TrueType fonts for defaults 
section but it didn't work. I have looked all over the Internet for help but 
I can't find anything regarding an installation of 8.2 w/KDE 3.0. Anyone have 
any ideas?

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[expert] Re: gnome audio, terminal transparency, and backgroud color

2002-05-07 Thread Denis HAVLIK

wrong address...

On Mon, 6 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

+ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:05:22 -0500
+ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ Subject: gnome audio, terminal transparency, and backgroud color
+
+ I have set ML 8.2 on three different boxes now and all have the same
+ symptoms.  I looked all over and have found nothing, so now I turn to you,
+ the people on the expert mailing list.  Three things, and I will try to be
+ as detailed as possibile, and please excuse my spelling, spell check is
+ screwed up.
+
+ 1.  Gnome sound events dont work.  XMMS works, Xmovie plays, the cdplayer
+ plays.  It is just the gnome sound events dont play.  If you go in to the
+ gnome control center and click sounds, they are enable there.  Both 'Enable
+ sound server startup' and 'Sounds for events' are checked.  If you click on
+ 'Play' for any of the sounds, they dont play, BUT if you click 'Apply' and
+ wait a couple of seconds for it to think, you can then click on any one of
+ the sounds and hit 'Play' and they work.  As soon as you close out the sound
+ properties, no more.  If you go back in, you are right back to start where
+ it wont play any sounds unless you click 'Apply' again.
+
+ 2.  Gnome terminals refuse to do transparent windows.  If you click
+ 'Settings' Preference' and choose the 'Image' tab, you can select
+ 'Transparent' but it does nothing.  Just black.  You can change it to a
+ different color and that works, or you can use an image as a background and
+ that works, but never transparent.
+
+ 3.  The gnome background color will not stay.  I can go in and change it by
+ hand, log out, and log back in and it is back to that bright red color.  I
+ have 'Automatically save changes to session' checked under the 'Startup
+ Programs' in gnome control center too.
+
+ I figure that I must have inadvertantly not installed something that is not
+ required to make gnome run, but really damn useful : ).  I hope I was
+ descriptive enought to help anyone help me.  So, help me please, and I
+ appreciate your time for reading all of this if you have.  Thanks . . .
+
+ Doug Gruber
+
+ Jim Miller is our quarterback, just like Olin Kreutz is our center and the
+ A-Train (Anthony Thomas) is our running back. That's not to say some phenom
+ can't come out of the woodwork and surprise everybody and get it done. I
+ would never say that guy's the starter forever regardless of what happens.
+ - Bears head coach Dick Jauron.
+

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[expert] use another shell than bash

2002-05-07 Thread Yves Crespin

I'm suprised to still see Bourne syntax in system shell script if [ ... ]
rather than if [[ ... ]] use of back-quote instead of $(...). Here
backward compatibilite isn't really need.

I'm using ksh.

/etc/init.d/mandrake_consmap, echo is not portable!
# Switch console to correct map table. This file is sourced

if [ -n $SYSFONTACM ]; then
case $SYSFONTACM in
iso01*|iso02*|iso15*|koi*|latin2-ucw*)
if [ $TERM = linux -a `/sbin/consoletype` = vt ]; then
case $SHELL in
*ksh*) print -n -- '\E(K' 2/dev/null  /proc/$$/fd/0;;
*bash*) echo -n -e '\033(K' 2/dev/null  /proc/$$/fd/0;;
esac
fi
;;
esac
fi

/etc/profile.d/ssh-client.sh, shopt is an bash internal command
# fix hanging ssh clients on exit
case $SHELL in
*ksh*)
;;
*bash*)
if test -n $ZSH_VERSION; then
   setopt hup
else
   shopt -s huponexit
fi
;;
esac


Why in /etc/profile, the x mode is test? It's not necessary.

for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh ; do
if [ -x $i ]; then
. $i
fi
done


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Re: [expert] X - I give up!! - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread civileme

David Rankin wrote:

   That's it, I've had it, I'm ripping that sucker out by the RAMDAC. Then
I'm going to see how far that square frizbee will fly!

   I've given up trying to sort out the #9 Imagine 128 video problems with
X4.2 and X3.3.6 (for now). Why it works under LM7.2 and not under 8.2,
we'll never know. Anyway, anybody know a good fast 2D card that does
work with LM8.2 that I can find pretty cheap out there?



http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=DH835-11TV

$44 for 64Mb 2d/3d.  Tested under linux

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Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 16:11, Alexander Skwar wrote:
 »Alastair Scott« sagte am 2002-05-06 um 15:22:12 +0100 :
  Although it's written in the characteristic The Register style (halfway
 
 Well, it's a very bad review, indeed.  In the sense, that the author
 should not bash Mdk for something that's only the authors fault.
 
 He complains, that the kernel .config doesn't reflect reality.
 
 Well, did he use the correct one from /boot?  He doesn't say so, but I
 assume he didn't.
 
 This alone let's me assume that he doesn't have a clue and just wants to
 bash 8.2.  Fine.
 
 Alexander Skwar

This is the same guy that criticized the President and Congress right
after Sept 11th for the bills they were passing and the way they were
handling the terrorist attacks.  While Canada (bless their souls) were
playing the US national anthem, the President was on the way to the 80+
per cent approval rating, and the firemen were busting a**.

Don't get me wrong, he's written some good articles, but Thomas Greene
is still something of a psycho freak.  He's kind of like literary
russian roulette.

Think about that while you consider Roblimo's excellent review on
Newsforge, and the positives we have heard elsewhere about LM82.  Sumpin
don't smell right.  Might be a keyboard-seat error, aka wetware defect.

YAWN (yet another wooden nickel)

LX


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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 23:00, FemmeFatale wrote:

 
 Anything by Nvidia works fine for me.  Ati I hear is good too.
 -- 
 Femme

The situation with the Radeons, last I heard, was that there were no ATI
supplied Linux drivers, and the main support for Radeon was put in by
the XFree86 folk.

What I have heard about Xfree/Radeon function is that it has been
problematic.  Is there anybody listening here that can give a consensus
on the Radeon situation?  Are they running more or less natively, or not
at all, or what?

Also, is the performance level of the Radeons under 3D games in Linux
comparable to the Nvidia equipment and the proprietary drivers?

I'm curious since I have been looking at the ATI side.  I've got an Abit
Siluro and I'm happy, but I'm also still interested in ATI, as I'm sure
others are too.


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[expert] Telnetting from Linux box to Solaris

2002-05-07 Thread Richard Fieldsend

Dear All Knowing guys,
okay I have a pc which is set up as a dual boot. The Linux setup uses 
Mandrake 8.1, and everything works pretty much, except when I try and telnet 
to a remote Solaris machine.

I use telnet 'address', and get a prompt

Connected to address (ip address)
Escape character is '^]'.

SunOS 5.8

login: 

when I enter my username (or anything) and hit return then the cursor returns 
to the beginning of the login line, no password prompt. It stays like this 
for a couple of minutes, and then presumably times out, giving me the 
standard bash prompt.

I've tried to run the telnet with the -n switch to provide a tracefile, but 
it doesn't write anything to the file.

I've searched on Google, but not found anything particularly helpful.

I'm pretty sure its not a problem with the networking locally as when I boot 
into Windows I can telnet to the same box without any problem. This leads to 
the ironic situation where I have to drop out of Linux to go into Windows in 
order to work remotely on a Sun box!

Thanks in anticipation

Richard Fieldsend
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Re: [expert] Telnetting from Linux box to Solaris

2002-05-07 Thread J. Grant

I would not use telnet, use SSH openssh.com is better
but anway maybe..

Fixing the telnet problem might be something todo with your tty. on the 
client, before running sftp, run stty -a.  This will show you
what your terminal's backspace (erase) character is set to.  If this
is not the same as what your BackSpace key is actually sending, then
change the setting with stty erase ^h or similar.

it could be your return as well, same diagnosis

If your BackSpace key is sending the DEC multi-byte Delete
escape sequence, then your X server or your terminal emulator may
be misconfigured; in that case, try a different terminal emulator,
or delve into the documentation for your terminal emulator and/or the
xmodmap command.



JG


Richard Fieldsend wrote:
 Dear All Knowing guys,
 okay I have a pc which is set up as a dual boot. The Linux setup uses 
 Mandrake 8.1, and everything works pretty much, except when I try and telnet 
 to a remote Solaris machine.
 
 I use telnet 'address', and get a prompt
 
 Connected to address (ip address)
 Escape character is '^]'.
 
 SunOS 5.8
 
 login: 
 
 when I enter my username (or anything) and hit return then the cursor returns 
 to the beginning of the login line, no password prompt. It stays like this 





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Re: [expert] Telnetting from Linux box to Solaris

2002-05-07 Thread Mark Belanger

On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 05:25, Richard Fieldsend wrote:
 Dear All Knowing guys,
 okay I have a pc which is set up as a dual boot. The Linux setup uses 
 Mandrake 8.1, and everything works pretty much, except when I try and telnet 
 to a remote Solaris machine.
Some things to try.

1. Does rsh/rlogin have the same behavior?
2. Is it terminal related?  Try several different
   terms i.e. aterm, Eterm, gnome-terminal, xterm

I think I had a similar problem a while back.  I worked
around by using rsh and rlogin.  The problem doesn't
exist in Mandrake 8.2

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[expert] How to stop a laptop going into standby when i close the lid?

2002-05-07 Thread J. Grant

Hi,
How can I stop a laptop going into standby when i close the lid?
I checked apm but could not find this option that triggers the whole 
process, could someone point me to the file that contains this 
ON_LID_CLOSE=/usr/bin/apm suspend now
or similar command please? I can not find it in the bios. Another OS can 
disable it.

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Re: [expert] A touch of humor for those wanting to kill their computer.

2002-05-07 Thread bascule

a little like the genie that gives you wishes but then makes sure that each 
one screws you up!

bascule

On Tuesday 07 May 2002 5:49 am, you wrote:

 Murphy`s Top 10 Laws Of Computing

 10. A computer program will always do what you tell it to do,
 but rarely what you want it to do

-- 
People don't alter history any more than birds alter the sky, they just make 
brief patterns on it.
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Re: [expert] mdk8.2 and radeon 7000 pci

2002-05-07 Thread Mike Rambo

Thanks for all the responses. I'll have to try some of this
after work tonight.

The common theme though, seems to be to disable the built in
video in CMOS/BIOS. That was one of the first things I
looked for. Unfortunately it can't be done. There is an
option in CMOS only for choosing whether the primary video
is AGP or PCI - no disable is present. I suspect the built
in video would be automatically disabled if I had been able
to find an AGP card that would fit the case. As I wasn't
able to do that, I had to use a PCI card and it doesn't
disable the built in video - at least not entirely. I found
that I had to set the CMOS primary video setting for PCI in
order for the Radeon card to even be acknowledged by the
system. When I did, the CMOS updated itself to reflect that
the built in video card now has 0MB of ram but doesn't
appear to have actually disabled it. This is a dual boot
box. When it starts up I always hear a POST error (beeps)
that indicate video card failure, I presume because of the
0MB video ram thing, but then it proceeds to boot into
windows fine. The Radeon card is ok there but the built in
video shows that it failed to start in the windows device
manager.

Since there doesn't seem to be a way to totally disable the
integrated video on this mobo I think what I need to do is
set up X for dual heads and then disable (or ignore) one of
them but I don't know how to do that.

a) does this sound reasonable?
b) how the heck does one do that?

Thanks.

Mike



Charles A Edwards wrote:
 
 
 The first place to start is your system BIOS, somewhere within it
 you should find an option allowing you to disable the onboard video.
 
 Afterwards rerun the Mandrake installation as Expert/Upgrade.
 You need not select any pkgs, but if they are not already installed you will need 
Mesa and libMesa for openGL with the Radeon. You can skip the network and printer 
configuration.
 When you get to the X installation it may still see the S3 but allow you to choose 
the Radeon.
 You will want 4.20 with 3d hardware accel.
 The whole process should take no more than around 15min.
 
 Rerunning the installation rather than attempting to use XFdrake will ensure that 
all the necessary pkgs are installed and that /etc/XF86Config-4 is properly written.
 
 I have 2 Radeons and both work well.
 


James wrote:

   It may be working like the integrated sound on my mobo I had to
go into BIOS and turn off the sound TWICE (in too different
locations that's why the caps) in order to get it working.  Even
though Linux recognized the sound card it wouldn't let my SBLive!
work until I did this.  Now here is the funny part.  Even though
sound is turned off in BIOS both cards work.  Just that when it's
turned on the pci one doesn't.  Also look to see if it's set up for
AGP video only.  This may also be the case.


FemmeFatale wrote:
 
 Check bios, turn off on-board video.
 
 --
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 Good Decisions You boss Made:
 


 On Mon, 06 May 2002 15:10:58 -0400
 Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have an IBM box (300PL) that has integrated S3 video.
 
  My son wants better video so I've obtained a 64MB Radeon
  7000 PCI video card. I can't use an AGP card even though the
  machine has an AGP slot because of the way the case is built
  - one of those proprietary designs that only a few cards
  will properly fit.
 
  I was surprised to find that the hardware drake didn't
  detect any hardware changes when the box started up. I
  finally have the box booting to init 3. When I run XFdrake
  it finds both video cards now (new Radeon 7000 and the
  original integrated video) but I cannot find a configuration
  that'll work. I really only want the Radeon card set up so
  that's the one I select. It loaded XFree 4.20 the first time
  I selected the Radeon card but the system displays a
  scrambled screen and freezes when I try to test the
  configuration. I skipped the test one time and tried to
  'startx' but that also displayed garbage and froze.
 
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RE: [expert] Re: gnome audio, terminal transparency, and backgroud color

2002-05-07 Thread dgruber

Then what is the right address?


-Original Message-
From: Denis HAVLIK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:42 PM
To: Gruber, Doug
Cc: Expert list
Subject: [expert] Re: gnome audio, terminal transparency, and backgroud
color


wrong address...

On Mon, 6 May 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

+ Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:05:22 -0500
+ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
+ Subject: gnome audio, terminal transparency, and backgroud color
+
+ I have set ML 8.2 on three different boxes now and all have the same
+ symptoms.  I looked all over and have found nothing, so now I turn to you,
+ the people on the expert mailing list.  Three things, and I will try to be
+ as detailed as possibile, and please excuse my spelling, spell check is
+ screwed up.
+
+ 1.  Gnome sound events dont work.  XMMS works, Xmovie plays, the cdplayer
+ plays.  It is just the gnome sound events dont play.  If you go in to the
+ gnome control center and click sounds, they are enable there.  Both
'Enable
+ sound server startup' and 'Sounds for events' are checked.  If you click
on
+ 'Play' for any of the sounds, they dont play, BUT if you click 'Apply' and
+ wait a couple of seconds for it to think, you can then click on any one of
+ the sounds and hit 'Play' and they work.  As soon as you close out the
sound
+ properties, no more.  If you go back in, you are right back to start where
+ it wont play any sounds unless you click 'Apply' again.
+
+ 2.  Gnome terminals refuse to do transparent windows.  If you click
+ 'Settings' Preference' and choose the 'Image' tab, you can select
+ 'Transparent' but it does nothing.  Just black.  You can change it to a
+ different color and that works, or you can use an image as a background
and
+ that works, but never transparent.
+
+ 3.  The gnome background color will not stay.  I can go in and change it
by
+ hand, log out, and log back in and it is back to that bright red color.  I
+ have 'Automatically save changes to session' checked under the 'Startup
+ Programs' in gnome control center too.
+
+ I figure that I must have inadvertantly not installed something that is
not
+ required to make gnome run, but really damn useful : ).  I hope I was
+ descriptive enought to help anyone help me.  So, help me please, and I
+ appreciate your time for reading all of this if you have.  Thanks . . .
+
+ Doug Gruber
+
+ Jim Miller is our quarterback, just like Olin Kreutz is our center and
the
+ A-Train (Anthony Thomas) is our running back. That's not to say some
phenom
+ can't come out of the woodwork and surprise everybody and get it done. I
+ would never say that guy's the starter forever regardless of what
happens.
+ - Bears head coach Dick Jauron.
+

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Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set

2002-05-07 Thread Udo Rader

hmm,

I've installed the downloadable version of 8.2 myself and am *fully*
satisfied. 

Before installing, I was a little bit scared due to some less
enthusiastic postings on this list, but I finally had no choice (my
harddisk surrendered a couple of days ago ...).

The article itself is IMHO not too bad, really. It just tells the same
truth that I've seen for many other distros around these days. Creating
a distribution is a not so easy thing to do and maintaining it is even
harder. The fact that mandrake has lacks in some places (among the many
great things) is just natural. 

And compared to other distros, kernel compilation from source using
make menuconfig or make xconfig is for example *very* different from
the original kernel sources at some points (without good reason, IMHO)
and that is a point that I fully agree on with the author.

QA is the answer to all those things, but in that part the people at
mandrake in general make a much better job than most of their
competitors, so just don't take bad reviews too bad ...

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[expert] Use ANSI string concatenation

2002-05-07 Thread Yves Crespin

I'm using __CONCAT() defined in /usr/include/sys/cdefs.h

#define __CONCAT(x,y)   x ## y

With previous gcc version or other compiler I newer have a warning.
The preprocessor translate the following line
static char default_path[] = BLOG_TMP_DIR;
to
static char default_path[] = /tmp;

Do somebody know the correct compiler option to remove this warning?

Yves
= Cut Here =
#include stdio.h

#define BLOG_SEP_DIR/
#define BLOG_TMP_DIR__CONCAT(BLOG_SEP_DIR,tmp)
int main(int argc,char *argv[])
{
static char default_path[] = BLOG_TMP_DIR;
static char a[] = __CONCAT(/,tmp);

printf([%s]\n,default_path);
printf([%s]\n,a);
return 0;
}
= Cut Here =
cc tcpp.c -o tcpp
tcpp.c:7:42: warning: pasting BLOG_SEP_DIR and tmp does not give a
valid preprocessing token
tcpp.c:8:31: warning: pasting / and tmp does not give a valid
preprocessing token
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RE: [expert] X - I give up!! - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN

Pretty much any Matrox card will work 
beautifully in any flavor of Linux!
I have a G-450 (AGP) and love it

Brian D. Klar - CVE
OTS
WPAFB

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Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:05 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] X - I give up!! - What's a good video card for 8.2


David Rankin wrote:
 
 That's it, I've had it, I'm ripping that sucker out by the RAMDAC. Then
 I'm going to see how far that square frizbee will fly!
 
 I've given up trying to sort out the #9 Imagine 128 video problems with
 X4.2 and X3.3.6 (for now). Why it works under LM7.2 and not under 8.2,
 we'll never know. Anyway, anybody know a good fast 2D card that does
 work with LM8.2 that I can find pretty cheap out there?

David ,

I have successfully setup a 2mg pci s3 trio and an 4mg ati 3d rageIIc
agp card
in Lm 8.2 , but I had to setup xfree86 a second time before I could even
see anything.
You've probably already read that thread about it not seting itself up
completely the first time , right? 

I have found many , many things that don't work properly yet in 8.2 so I
run 8.0 most of the time, because everything is absolutely perfect for
me - Your Mileage May(will)Vary.

If 7.2 works for you or say even 8.0 why not stick with it? 
 I probably will as I am very disappointed with 8.2  :-( 

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Re: [expert] Firewall + routing

2002-05-07 Thread Mark Williamson

Have a look at Mandrake 8.2  -- later versions of IPtables etc..   Then
have a look at Bastille http://www.bastille-linux.org . Just use
Rpmdrake to install it,yes it's on your Mandrake Cds, and configure it
using a command InteractiveBastille another excellent solution is have
a look at FireStarter http://firestarter.sourceforge.net/ .. and yes
that one is also on your Mandrake CDs. I have tested both of these and
they look excellent. Both solutions can configure IPtables to do port
forwarding.

Cheers
Mark 

On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 04:37, Belkie, Dan wrote:
 Hey Guys!
 I have a simple Mandrake 8.1 box as my router / firewall. I'm looking at
 putting a couple of web servers behind the firewall on my LAN. does anyone
 know of a good way to set up rules so that the FW can know to send port 80
 request to xyz.com to one server and abc.com to another?
 
 I guess another question can anyone suggest a good firewall solution? I
 tried Mandrakes SNF 7.2 but it failed.
 
 thoughts?
 
 Thanks!!
 
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[expert] Prosuite 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Michael Simmons

Installation of Mandrake Prosuite on a Pentium 233 MMX generates the 
following error:

depslist.ordered mismatch against hdlist

 From the log the mismatch has to do with the i686 rpms being ignored or at 
least this is my guess. Some of the usenet lists says that it's a bad CD 
but if I move to a PII or PIII then no problems.

SO the burning question is how can I get Mandrake 8.2 installed on the 
system? I do not know the manual process for the initial system. I didn't 
see any obvious cpio files which is what I thought the core would be.

I also checked Mandrake's Hardware list and they did not remove the Pentium 
233 MMX from support in 8.2.
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/hard-details.php3?F_TYPE=procF_ID=392

Thanks

Michael

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locked in a safe, and buried 20 feet under the ground
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RE: [expert] NAT x SNAT

2002-05-07 Thread Mendez Martin
Title: RE: [expert] NAT x SNAT 





Maybe you also need additional rule to permit the VNC ports.
Regards.-


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Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 1:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] NAT x SNAT 



Hi,


I'm using VNC but, I can't get it 'MASQUERADE'.


Can anybody help me on this iptables rules?


I'm using this one:
#iptables -t nat POSTROUTING -o eth1 192.168.0.0/24 -j SNAT --to
my_IP(static)


comp1: (linux only)
eth0:ADSL (my_IP) static
eth1:192.168.0.2


comp2: (windows only)
eth0:192.168.0.3


TIA


Ricardo Castanho


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Re: [expert] Very bad review of Mandrake 8.2 boxed set

2002-05-07 Thread Chris Spackman

James [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 That's right if he had class he'd be using Windowmaker *grin* 
 sorry couldn't resist the barb buut be my wm starts faster
 than yours hehe.  *grin*  

And I bet my fluxbox starts faster than your window maker.

(insert maniacal laugh here)


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[expert] vim version

2002-05-07 Thread Yves Crespin

current vim version is 6.1 (6.0 in Mandrake)
I notice some problems with french keyboard and vim 6.0
I's OK with 6.1

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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Jarmo Kettunen

On Tuesday 07 May 2002 12:23, you wrote:

 The situation with the Radeons, last I heard, was that there were no ATI
 supplied Linux drivers, and the main support for Radeon was put in by
 the XFree86 folk.

 What I have heard about Xfree/Radeon function is that it has been
 problematic.  Is there anybody listening here that can give a consensus
 on the Radeon situation?  Are they running more or less natively, or not
 at all, or what?

 Also, is the performance level of the Radeons under 3D games in Linux
 comparable to the Nvidia equipment and the proprietary drivers?

 I'm curious since I have been looking at the ATI side.  I've got an Abit
 Siluro and I'm happy, but I'm also still interested in ATI, as I'm sure
 others are too.


 LX

I'm using Radeon VIVO 64MB in 8.2 and can't complain...
Thus I had get ati2 drivers from

http://gatos.sourceforge.net

and install them after instructions...Haven't tested much with games
but Return to castle of wolfenstein seems to work fine...

And here's my glxgears

Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
4465 frames in 5.0 seconds = 893.000 FPS
4932 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.400 FPS
4933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.600 FPS
4933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.600 FPS
4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS

So not bad?

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Re: [expert] lm_sensors broken in 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Alfredo Cole

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 Just a curiosity.  I've got an ASUS TUSL2 mobo with a celeron 950
 coppermine cpu and 512 megs ram running and in 8.1 and 8.2 when I
 ran sensors detect it came back with nothing to add to
 /etc/rc.modules  It doesn't detect any sensors.  Fine it's better
 than what happens to a ThinkPad *grin*  Just wondering if any one
 else has gotten them running on this mobo, and how did you do it?
 The chipset is Intel 815 on the mobo.

 James

I keep hearing that, from version 8.0 upwards, you should not install 
LM on a IBM ThinkPad. For that reason, I had to install SuSE 7.2. Why 
is it that SuSE works and LM does not? I'd really like to run LM on 
my ThinkPad i1250.

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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread kwan

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jarmo Kettunen wrote:

 4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS

[root@omicron RPMS]# glxgears
Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.3.401
189 frames in 5.0 seconds = 37.800 FPS


Showoff.


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Re: [expert] mdk8.2 and radeon 7000 pci

2002-05-07 Thread Mike Rambo

Thanks for all the responses. I'll have to try some of this
after work tonight.

The common theme though, seems to be to disable the built in
video in CMOS/BIOS. That was one of the first things I
looked for. Unfortunately it can't be done. There is an
option in CMOS only for choosing whether the primary video
is AGP or PCI - no disable is present. I suspect the built
in video would be automatically disabled if I had been able
to find an AGP card that would fit the case. As I wasn't
able to do that, I had to use a PCI card and it doesn't
disable the built in video - at least not entirely. I found
that I had to set the CMOS primary video setting for PCI in
order for the Radeon card to even be acknowledged by the
system. When I did, the CMOS updated itself to reflect that
the built in video card now has 0MB of ram but doesn't
appear to have actually disabled it. This is a dual boot
box. When it starts up I always hear a POST error (beeps)
that indicate video card failure, I presume because of the
0MB video ram thing, but then it proceeds to boot into
windows fine. The Radeon card is ok there but the built in
video shows that it failed to start in the windows device
manager.

Since there doesn't seem to be a way to totally disable the
integrated video on this mobo I think what I need to do is
set up X for dual heads and then disable (or ignore) one of
them but I don't know how to do that.

a) does this sound reasonable?
b) how the heck does one do that?

Thanks.

Mike



Charles A Edwards wrote:
 
 
 The first place to start is your system BIOS, somewhere within it
 you should find an option allowing you to disable the onboard video.
 
 Afterwards rerun the Mandrake installation as Expert/Upgrade.
 You need not select any pkgs, but if they are not already installed you will need 
Mesa and libMesa for openGL with the Radeon. You can skip the network and printer 
configuration.
 When you get to the X installation it may still see the S3 but allow you to choose 
the Radeon.
 You will want 4.20 with 3d hardware accel.
 The whole process should take no more than around 15min.
 
 Rerunning the installation rather than attempting to use XFdrake will ensure that 
all the necessary pkgs are installed and that /etc/XF86Config-4 is properly written.
 
 I have 2 Radeons and both work well.
 


James wrote:

   It may be working like the integrated sound on my mobo I had to
go into BIOS and turn off the sound TWICE (in too different
locations that's why the caps) in order to get it working.  Even
though Linux recognized the sound card it wouldn't let my SBLive!
work until I did this.  Now here is the funny part.  Even though
sound is turned off in BIOS both cards work.  Just that when it's
turned on the pci one doesn't.  Also look to see if it's set up for
AGP video only.  This may also be the case.


FemmeFatale wrote:
 
 Check bios, turn off on-board video.
 
 --
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 Good Decisions You boss Made:
 


 On Mon, 06 May 2002 15:10:58 -0400
 Mike Rambo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I have an IBM box (300PL) that has integrated S3 video.
 
  My son wants better video so I've obtained a 64MB Radeon
  7000 PCI video card. I can't use an AGP card even though the
  machine has an AGP slot because of the way the case is built
  - one of those proprietary designs that only a few cards
  will properly fit.
 
  I was surprised to find that the hardware drake didn't
  detect any hardware changes when the box started up. I
  finally have the box booting to init 3. When I run XFdrake
  it finds both video cards now (new Radeon 7000 and the
  original integrated video) but I cannot find a configuration
  that'll work. I really only want the Radeon card set up so
  that's the one I select. It loaded XFree 4.20 the first time
  I selected the Radeon card but the system displays a
  scrambled screen and freezes when I try to test the
  configuration. I skipped the test one time and tried to
  'startx' but that also displayed garbage and froze.
 
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RE: [expert] NAT x SNAT

2002-05-07 Thread Ricardo Castanho de O. Freitas

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Mendez Martin wrote:

Hi,

When looking for ports being blocked I found that it redirected to squid
port! And that was blocked!

Also, there was an 'forward' policy 'doppping' everything, except the
traffic from eth0!

Tks for the reminder,

Ricardo


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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [expert] NAT x SNAT


Hi,

I'm using VNC but, I can't get it 'MASQUERADE'.

Can anybody help me on this iptables rules?

I'm using this one:
#iptables -t nat POSTROUTING -o eth1 192.168.0.0/24 -j SNAT --to
my_IP(static)

comp1: (linux only)
eth0:ADSL (my_IP) static
eth1:192.168.0.2

comp2: (windows only)
eth0:192.168.0.3

TIA

Ricardo Castanho

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Re: [expert] (LONG) RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Charles A Edwards

On 07 May 2002 05:23:59 -0400
Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

 The situation with the Radeons, last I heard, was that there were no ATI
 supplied Linux drivers, and the main support for Radeon was put in by
 the XFree86 folk.
 
 What I have heard about Xfree/Radeon function is that it has been
 problematic.  Is there anybody listening here that can give a consensus
 on the Radeon situation?  Are they running more or less natively, or not
 at all, or what?
 
 Also, is the performance level of the Radeons under 3D games in Linux
 comparable to the Nvidia equipment and the proprietary drivers?
 
 I'm curious since I have been looking at the ATI side.  I've got an Abit
 Siluro and I'm happy, but I'm also still interested in ATI, as I'm sure
 others are too.
 

Rather than try to speak for ATI I attached 2 pages copied from their website dealing 
with Linux  XFree86 and with sources.

Now to my Soapbox, if you please.

In todays market you now have only 2 major players in the development of video 
chipsets for use in 3d hardware accelerated graphics cards (notice that I did not say 
makers of graphics cards,though both do sell under their own banner, Nvidia has for 
some time sold chips to second party makers and ATI, with the Radeon has recently 
begun to do the same.  
Matox and S3 are players but they can not be considered as Major and since it is no 
longer in business Voodoo has lost its stature and no longer resides with the elite. 

For out of the box performance in Linux ATI, with the radeon and Rage128
line, is the hands down winner.
The radeon provides excellent 2d/3d performance including gaming and, with Mesa 
installed, good GL support.

There are actually 2 sets of ATI linux drivers, those provided in XFree86 and those 
provided by gatos, otherwise known as the ati2 drivers.
Contrary to that noted in another post Mandrake 8.2 ships with Both sets of drivers 
and the ati2 driver Are those which are used by default.

Are their problems with some ATI cards?
Yes!
There are as many variations of the radeon as their are flavors of BR ice cream and 
some will suffer performance degradation and in situations were other hardware 
compatibility with Linux is not at optimum certain cards may not work, but most of 
these issues are known and solutions are being developed.

This is nothing restricted to ATI.
It is industry wide.
Hardware is evolving at a rate faster than the software needed for its deployment can 
be fully and completely tested. 
There are those who always want the cutting-edge but fail to grasp the the liabilities 
that come with such.   

When comparing the performance of ATI verses Nvidia/nvidia driver in Linux the Winner 
Is
It depends on the criteria by which one chooses to measure it.
If measured by usage, what it can do, how it looks and feels.
I doubt that you could tell the difference.
The disparity in numbers may seem great but to the eye there is none.
Why do you think all those fancy  benchmark test were created.
People can not tell the difference just by looking/using. 

So as not to disappoint any who wish numbers I will simply show why
Nvidia best ATI in openGL.
For any who do not know Radeons need Mesa and libMesa to provide GL.
What follows is glxinfo from a system with a Gforce3 and the same from a system with a 
Radeon 
 
glxinfo Gforce3
name of display: :0.0
display: :0  screen: 0
direct rendering: Yes
server glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
server glx version string: 1.2
server glx extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_ARB_multisample
client glx vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
client glx version string: 1.2
client glx extensions:
GLX_ARB_get_proc_address, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_EXT_visual_info, 
GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_EXT_import_context, GLX_SGI_video_sync, 
GLX_SGIX_swap_group, GLX_SGIX_swap_barrier, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
GLX extensions:
GLX_EXT_visual_info, GLX_EXT_visual_rating, GLX_SGIX_fbconfig, 
GLX_SGIX_pbuffer, GLX_ARB_multisample, GLX_ARB_get_proc_address
OpenGL vendor string: NVIDIA Corporation
OpenGL renderer string: GeForce3/AGP/3DNOW!
OpenGL version string: 1.3.1 NVIDIA 28.02
OpenGL extensions:
GL_ARB_imaging, GL_ARB_multisample, GL_ARB_multitexture, 
GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp, GL_ARB_texture_compression, 
GL_ARB_texture_cube_map, GL_ARB_texture_env_add, 
GL_ARB_texture_env_combine, GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3, 
GL_ARB_transpose_matrix, GL_S3_s3tc, GL_EXT_abgr, GL_EXT_bgra, 
GL_EXT_blend_color, GL_EXT_blend_minmax, GL_EXT_blend_subtract, 
GL_EXT_compiled_vertex_array, GL_EXT_draw_range_elements, 
GL_EXT_fog_coord, GL_EXT_multi_draw_arrays, GL_EXT_packed_pixels, 
GL_EXT_paletted_texture, GL_EXT_point_parameters, GL_EXT_rescale_normal, 
GL_EXT_secondary_color, GL_EXT_separate_specular_color, 
GL_EXT_shared_texture_palette, GL_EXT_stencil_wrap, GL_EXT_texture3D, 

Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath

On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 10:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jarmo Kettunen wrote:
 
  4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS
 
 [root@omicron RPMS]# glxgears
 Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.3.401
 189 frames in 5.0 seconds = 37.800 FPS

This would be interesting if you'd provide which hardware this comes
from.

Here's a somewhat outdated AMD K6-400 w/ a WinFast card (GeForce4 Mx w/
64M), nvidia drivers installed:

[root@molch log]# glxgears
10611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2122.200 FPS

but it's not too good though, due to the older cpu.

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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread kwan

On Tue, 7 May 2002, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

 On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 10:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jarmo Kettunen wrote:
  
   4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS
  
  [root@omicron RPMS]# glxgears
  Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.3.401
  189 frames in 5.0 seconds = 37.800 FPS
 
 This would be interesting if you'd provide which hardware this comes
 from.
 
 Here's a somewhat outdated AMD K6-400 w/ a WinFast card (GeForce4 Mx w/
 64M), nvidia drivers installed:
 
 [root@molch log]# glxgears
 10611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2122.200 FPS
 
 but it's not too good though, due to the older cpu.
 

Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2064W [Millennium] (rev 1).

The PC is an AMD K63/450.

I'm actually pretty happy with this antiquated card, however. The fb
console is accelerated and does 1280x1024 and is actually faster than
several of the accelerated ATI R128 machines on my network. It's
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Re: [expert] Printing

2002-05-07 Thread Ken Hawkins

Thanks for the info, will follow up when I get chance; still doesn't
alter the fact that this is an area where microcrap winblows (in my
experience) is way ahead, and through all those linux versions, I've
seen little improvement.

For the record, in every other area, I much prefer Linux, especially
Mandrake (but I still feel that 7.2 is probably their best version;
notwithstanding all the features of 8.x)

I support a large heterogenous LAN/WAN, that consists of all version of
windows from 3.x on up, linux servers, NT servers, VAX, and a smattering
of Mac clients. I also support the PBX system, and provide training. I
like linux, and I try to promote it as much as possible, but I simply DO
NOT have the time to sit and tweak. The computer(s) I am trying to get
running are not the latest and greatest, they don't use the super
gee-whiz graphics card, or mondo sound dolby 5.1, or some other way
custom feature. They are basic workstations. With Mandrake I can drop
the CD in, install eveything without having to tweak EXCEPT printing.
Personally, I don't print very often, I keep all my paperwork on my
laptop. The 100's of users I support though, need printing, and I can't
spend days tweaking services.

On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 22:01, John Haywood wrote:
 On Tuesday 07 May 2002 05:05, you wrote:
  /WARNING, RANT MODE ON
  Could someone please, please, please tell my why it seems every distro
  of linux is such a pain in the a%^ when it comes to printing.
 
 Historical - printing used to be extremely expensive  slow. It's really only 
 now starting to be ironed out
 




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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Ken Thompson

On Tuesday 07 May 2002 08:48 am, you wrote:
 On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jarmo Kettunen wrote:
  4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS

 [root@omicron RPMS]# glxgears
 Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.3.401
 189 frames in 5.0 seconds = 37.800 FPS


 Showoff.

 :)
Epox Mobo, Athalon 1.2Gb 512Mb RAM,
Matrox G450 with the latest drivers from Matrox.com.
1826 frames in 5.0 seconds = 365.200 FPS
1877 frames in 5.0 seconds = 375.400 FPS
1975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 395.000 FPS
1975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 395.000 FPS
1975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 395.000 FPS
1975 frames in 5.0 seconds = 395.000 FPS
1954 frames in 5.0 seconds = 390.800 FPS
Had quite a bit of trouble with the matrox until the latest release of their 
drivers. Now everything seems to be wunnerfull G..
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[expert] Flash in a presentation.

2002-05-07 Thread Alan Wilter Sousa da Silva


Hi List,

Does anyone know how to insert a flash animation (.swf) inside a
presentation in StarOffice or other presentation program, even
powerpoint, as the same way when using video (avi or mpeg).

I would thank very much any help.

Cheers,

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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 12:08, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:

 Here's a somewhat outdated AMD K6-400 w/ a WinFast card (GeForce4 Mx w/
 64M), nvidia drivers installed:
 
 [root@molch log]# glxgears
 10611 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2122.200 FPS
 
 but it's not too good though, due to the older cpu.
 
 wobo
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Eh...woboyou are outperforming my graphics system by a factor of
over 100%.  How is that not good?  Are you running into horsepower
problems with that CPU and some of the heavy hitter games, like RtW or
Quake?


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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Lyvim Xaphir

On Tue, 2002-05-07 at 10:24, Jarmo Kettunen wrote:

 I'm using Radeon VIVO 64MB in 8.2 and can't complain...
 Thus I had get ati2 drivers from
 
 http://gatos.sourceforge.net
 
 and install them after instructions...Haven't tested much with games
 but Return to castle of wolfenstein seems to work fine...
 
 And here's my glxgears
 
 Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2
 4465 frames in 5.0 seconds = 893.000 FPS
 4932 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.400 FPS
 4933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.600 FPS
 4933 frames in 5.0 seconds = 986.600 FPS
 4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS
 
 So not bad?
 
 Jarmo


Here's my glxgears, running on an Athlon 964 mhz with an Abit Siluro
GeForce 2 MX card, 32 megs on the video card:

[elx@tamriel tmp]$ glxgears
5164 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1032.800 FPS
5071 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1014.200 FPS
5229 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1045.800 FPS
5202 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1040.400 FPS
5211 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1042.200 FPS
5239 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1047.800 FPS
5172 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1034.400 FPS

Let's see more glxgears, please!  This is interesting...


Thanks,

LX


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[expert] install telnetd

2002-05-07 Thread Yves Crespin

I don't find telnetd in the distribution ...
I add in /etc/xinetd.d an description of telnet but I can't find a telnet
server!
Help!

Yves
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Re: [expert] Printing

2002-05-07 Thread Ken Hawkins

I haven't tried that printer on W2K or XP yet, but a note on hardware;
many newer computers allow you to set the parallel port as spp(old
standard) or epp (newer faster). You might want to check this  setting
in the BIOS. I had this problem with older HPII's and HPIII's when users
upgraded their computers, suddenly the printer quit, and no Windblows
settings would work. Once I set the port in BIOS (to SPP), no muss, no
fuss, no bother.

Ken


On Mon, 2002-05-06 at 17:59, FemmeFatale wrote:
 Ken Hawkins wrote:
 
  
  Current problem:
  
  Using 8.2 beta 3
  
  My current source of grief is an IBM 4029 laserprinter. I have tried all
  flavours of drivers, and even some HP and Lexmark drivers, and all I get
  is garbage across the top of the page, and the printer has to be reset.
  
  The printer works fine under all version of windows.
  
  Ken
 
 Ken, email me if you got that POS printer to work on Winders  I have
 been getting mightly pissed off at ours...and had to buy a new one b/c
 it never ever worked after Win98.  TY
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Re: [expert] RADEON vs NVIDIA - What's a good video card for 8.2

2002-05-07 Thread Wolfgang Bornath

On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Tue, 7 May 2002, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
 
  On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 10:48 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On Tue, 7 May 2002, Jarmo Kettunen wrote:
   
4919 frames in 5.0 seconds = 983.800 FPS
   
   [root@omicron RPMS]# glxgears
   Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.3.401
   189 frames in 5.0 seconds = 37.800 FPS
  
  This would be interesting if you'd provide which hardware this comes
  from.
 
 Matrox Graphics, Inc. MGA 2064W [Millennium] (rev 1).
 
 The PC is an AMD K63/450.
 
 I'm actually pretty happy with this antiquated card, however. The fb
 console is accelerated and does 1280x1024 and is actually faster than
 several of the accelerated ATI R128 machines on my network. It's
 obviously not for games but does a great job otherwise.

1. As the CPUs are nearly the same the difference between the graphic
cards is obvious.

2. Concerning the 2D performance I totally agree. I'm a Matrox fan myself
and used various cards (starting with Mystique) during the last years.
It's my recommendation for non-gamers.

wobo
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