Re: [expert] Making space
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 01:50 am, Jan Wilson wholly or partly mentioned :- > hdf is the old drive, and to be ignored. Only half of hde is > partitioned and used at present. I think it is an 80GB drive Jan, according to the above. -- The simplest questions are the hardest to answer. Northrop Frye This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Write to ext3 data partition
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 10:22 pm, Anne Wilson wholly or partly mentioned :- > > /dev/hda6 /mnt/slack ext3 defaults 0 2 > > /dev/hde7 / ext3 defaults 1 1 > /dev/hdf1 /mnt/Mdk9_0 ext3 user,defaults 1 2 > > is from my fstab. > Thanks Anne, The Slackware partition boots through Mandrake and is not a problem. I expect it to mount as root, and actually prefer it that way. It is the other two that won't allow me to read or write anything to them. But will experiment some more. Getting this organised and learning how it works will just keep me a little longer from an all Linux native box. Though I can format them as FAT32 it isn't really what I want.Like everything a little more time and perseverance. I will also do as James suggested and experiment with setuid. It is all interesting, and just when I thought that I had sufficient knowledge to go all Linux? It must be a bit like humility, once you think you have it, you have lost it. Charlie. -- The simplest questions are the hardest to answer. Northrop Frye This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] configure touchpad on Aopen1845A laptop
First time I ever used a laptop. I put MDK9.1 on and every thing works well. Just when I did the install I had an external ps2 mouse attached, if that makes a difference. If I unplug the mouse and boot up there is activity from the touchpad but completely uncontrollable. Where does one configure this, or what should I be reading up on. I am using KDE, but would probably change to ice when I get it working. Any help / pointers appreciated. Best regards Steve Cox Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] (OT) Linux World
All, Yes this is sorta off topic... but, it's also the only way I can ask. Who here is going to be going to Linux World in San Fran in a couple of weeks? Just curious. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Radeon 9700 no 3d
phriedrich wrote: Hallo, can someone give me some nice tips to get 3d-support for my radeon 9700 on 9.1, please? Friedrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hello! You can go there http://www.zebulon.org.uk/3D9500_en.html good luck! jlbo
Re: [expert] strace of smbd 4 samba probs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bown wanted us to know: >If its any help to see whats happening here's the strace of smbd on >starting it. >fork() = 5371 >--- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- >exit_group(0) = ? The next time you strace something that forks, use the -f flag so that it follows the forks. In this case, whatever went wrong seems to have happened in the forked process, not in the one that you were stracing. As it turns out, being unable to bind to port 139 is probably a function somewhere in this strace, but you're not always so lucky :-/ - -- Blue skies... ToddPublic key: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc I like this world...billions of people walking around like Happy Meals with legs--Spike Linux kernel 2.4.19-24mdk 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.08 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: http://www.mrball.net/todd.asc iD8DBQE/J0RxIBT1264ScBURArf4AKCcQHeUpkjd40MFrtAlvQM4g1LEKgCg1+8O xdTvduXLfYcK+w7LU7hHEFA= =mLUT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] PCTEL HSP56 on LMR741/748 Mother board a little moreexplained
Luis Duran wrote: I downloaded the driver 0.9.6 from linmodems.org, there is a how-to about this modem, but it is not covered the M741 motherboard integrated one. I had experimented so many problems with this motherboard, the first time that i heard the sound card (cmi 8338a) sounding good, was when i completed the Mandrake 9 installation weeks ago, others linux versions don't even try it. But the modem PCTel PCT 789T aka HSP 56 integrated on the M741 motherboard widespread sold in Latin-America, first, when i finally compiled it and install it with the kernel modules, when i ship insmod pctel the first error i get is something like: the module was compiled with a 2.X.X version of GCC, your kernel was compiled with the version 3.0.x.. this is known don't work. Then, because i do not know how to work around this, the how-to simply encourage to ship insmod -f pctel. Then i get some typical errors about mixing commercial code with code-Free one, Well, finally, the pctel module is loaded, but when i go to insmod -f ptserial, the other PCTel module necessary to use the modem (they said) the module told me that it can't found the modem device on this computer,i compared the expected output on the how-to with my output and i felt down. Is there anybody interested in my M741 card ? Excuse my bad English, i didn't show the exact errors because i even tried re-install the whole Mandrake, that is very good. On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 00:16, Joeb wrote: Luis Duran wrote: Im done, i have hit with the wall so many times, i have tried everything, howtos, linmodems.org, and i can not work this probles around, i haven't installed the modem yet to use it with linux, i am using a very old DOS modem wit jumpers, man, it can be so slow. I would thanks a lot, if anybody can help me with this. I have a linux mandrake 9 box. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com What have you tried and what were the results? Joeb __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Okay, The good news is that you have the correct driver for your modem. There errors you are getting when you do the normal insmod are normal for this driver (and not the cause of your problems). There is an object file included as part of the driver that was compiled with GCC 2, and even though the error message says it's known not to work, it does (I use a pctel modem with that driver, but not one integrated on the MB). Are you sure the modem is the PCT 789? If the chip is visible on the MB, you can look and see otherwise, you might try some of the other options in the driver. If you are sure that it is the 789, you might try booting with ACPI disabled or set to off. Some people have reported success with that. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Radeon 9700 no 3d
On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 03:46:17 +0200 phriedrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > can someone give me some nice tips to get 3d-support for my radeon > 9700 on 9.1, please? You will need to dl, install and configure the Ati linux driver. It is avaiable from http://www.schneider-digital.de/html/body_download_ati.html The driver file you will need is glx1_linux_X4.3.zip For anyone else using the driver this is version 3.2.0 and was released just this month. Charles -- It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness. - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21.6mdk http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] PCTEL HSP56 on LMR741/748 Mother board a little moreexplained
I downloaded the driver 0.9.6 from linmodems.org, there is a how-to about this modem, but it is not covered the M741 motherboard integrated one. I had experimented so many problems with this motherboard, the first time that i heard the sound card (cmi 8338a) sounding good, was when i completed the Mandrake 9 installation weeks ago, others linux versions don't even try it. But the modem PCTel PCT 789T aka HSP 56 integrated on the M741 motherboard widespread sold in Latin-America, first, when i finally compiled it and install it with the kernel modules, when i ship insmod pctel the first error i get is something like: the module was compiled with a 2.X.X version of GCC, your kernel was compiled with the version 3.0.x.. this is known don't work. Then, because i do not know how to work around this, the how-to simply encourage to ship insmod -f pctel. Then i get some typical errors about mixing commercial code with code-Free one, Well, finally, the pctel module is loaded, but when i go to insmod -f ptserial, the other PCTel module necessary to use the modem (they said) the module told me that it can't found the modem device on this computer,i compared the expected output on the how-to with my output and i felt down. Is there anybody interested in my M741 card ? Excuse my bad English, i didn't show the exact errors because i even tried re-install the whole Mandrake, that is very good. On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 00:16, Joeb wrote: > Luis Duran wrote: > > >Im done, i have hit with the wall so many times, i have tried > >everything, howtos, linmodems.org, and i can not work this probles > >around, i haven't installed the modem yet to use it with linux, i am > >using a very old DOS modem wit jumpers, man, it can be so slow. I would > >thanks a lot, if anybody can help me with this. I have a linux mandrake > >9 box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > What have you tried and what were the results? > > Joeb > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Radeon 9700 no 3d
Hallo, can someone give me some nice tips to get 3d-support for my radeon 9700 on 9.1, please? Friedrich Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 15:21, Richard Bown wrote: > Hi James > You were right something was using the port. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# lsof -i :139 > COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME > vmware-sm 3554 root5u IPv4 6966 TCP 172.16.27.1:netbios-ssn > (LISTEN) > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# kill -9 3554 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# lsof -i :139 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# smbd -D & > [2] 7169 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# ps ax > > 7125 ?S 0:00 pickup -l -t fifo -u -c > 7171 ?S 0:00 smbd -D > 7172 pts/0R 0:00 ps ax > > So it looks like vmware is setup as a samba server as well as the host, > uhmm ! > > > Also this could be fun trying to get win98 on win4lin5 and winxp on > vmware working on the same machine :) > > with win4lin wanting the host to be server and vmware wanting to be a > server too. > Its a bit like Pandoras box, well at least there was hope at the bottom > of that box. > Looks like RTFM the vmware docs. > Has anyone on the list successfully run win4lin, vmware and samba at the > same time .? > > TIA > Richard Best news is... you don't have to re-install of this. reading docs is a lot more productive than installing software. *grin* James > > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 21:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 11:46, Richard Bown wrote: > > > Thanks James, > > > > > > log.smbd showed this:- > > > > > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(707) > > > smbd version 2.2.7a-security-rollup-fix started. > > > Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 > > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(751) > > > standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option > > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > > > bind failed on port 139 socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. > > > Error = Address already in use > > > > > > the other 2 log files I cant find, probably log.smbmount has'nt been > > > created yet. syslog is just showing the nmbd entry as poster earlier. > > > > > > > > > I've looked in all the other log files and cant see anything related to > > > smbd > > > > > > Not alot to yer teeth into > > > Richard > > > > No... not a lot.. but enough. Look at the last 3 lines. It can't start > > smbd because it is under the impression that something else is using > > that port. So it can't bind to it. As root do > > > > lsof -i :139 > > > > and see what it says This is the program/daemon that is blocking this > > port for you. If it isn't smb kill it if you can and try it again. > > I'm willing to bet (but not a large bet.) that smbd at some point > > has/had crashed and left behind it's socket marker. So an attempt to > > restart can't do it because as far as it's concerned... it's still > > running The other point I'm not so sure of is why the address is > > 0.0.0.0 This could be normal and I believe it is, but I'm not sure on > > this. > > > > James > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Hard drive upgrade
Answering my own question ;) While playing with "info cpio" I remembered/found what I needed: I would have to pipe "find /" through cpio - got number "2". I guess I will just go "by the book with "1" ... Sorry for the trouble ... just dump the original email ;) Stef On Tuesday 29 July 2003 06:43 pm, stefmit wrote: > Sorry for the FAQ-like questions, but I can't find my docs handy: I have > used in the past some of the instructions from: > > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html > > to move a Linux system to a new hard drive, but have not done it in a > while. I just got a new one recently (160GB) and have two questions, for > those kind enough to answer me: > - does the Large Disk Mini How-To still apply with the kernel coming with > MDK9.1? > - I remember having tried once (a while ago) a similar "move/upgrade", > using cpio, but I do not recall the exact syntax (it is in the same place > with my lost docs :)) ... anybody knowing it? > > TIA, > Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 11:54, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 4:50 pm, Jan Wilson wrote: > > * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030729 09:20]: > > > I was shocked to realise that my / is running out of space. My > > > current situation is > > > > > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > > /dev/hde7 5.9G 5.3G 288M 95% / > > > /dev/hde5 5.9G 2.7G 3.3G 46% /Data > > > /dev/hde6 5.7G 452M 5.3G 8% /Graphics > > > /dev/hde81012M 7.7M 953M 1% /boot > > > /dev/hde105.8G 33M 5.5G 1% /holding > > > /dev/hde9 9.7G 4.5G 5.3G 47% /home > > > /dev/hdf1 5.3G 3.3G 1.8G 65% /mnt/Mdk9_0 > > > /dev/hdf6 3.9G 2.2G 1.7G 57% /mnt/OldData > > > /dev/hdf7 6.7G 5.0G 1.7G 75% /mnt/OldHome > > > /dev/hde1 3.9G 1.8G 2.2G 46% /mnt/windows ... looking at this more closely, what I would do is: telinit 1 cp -a /usr/* /holding/ umount /holding vi /etc/fstab and change /holding to /usr and vice versa. mount /usr telinit 5 Then see if everything still works. If it does, telinit 1 umount /usr rm -rf /usr/* mount /usr telinit 5 -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
* Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030729 15:58]: > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 4:50 pm, Jan Wilson wrote: > > * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030729 09:20]: > > > I was shocked to realise that my / is running out of space. My > > > current situation is > > > > > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > > /dev/hde7 5.9G 5.3G 288M 95% / > > > /dev/hde5 5.9G 2.7G 3.3G 46% /Data > > > /dev/hde6 5.7G 452M 5.3G 8% /Graphics > > > /dev/hde81012M 7.7M 953M 1% /boot > > > /dev/hde105.8G 33M 5.5G 1% /holding > > > /dev/hde9 9.7G 4.5G 5.3G 47% /home > > > /dev/hdf1 5.3G 3.3G 1.8G 65% /mnt/Mdk9_0 > > > /dev/hdf6 3.9G 2.2G 1.7G 57% /mnt/OldData > > > /dev/hdf7 6.7G 5.0G 1.7G 75% /mnt/OldHome > > > /dev/hde1 3.9G 1.8G 2.2G 46% /mnt/windows > > > > > > hdf is the old drive, and to be ignored. Only half of hde is > > > partitioned and used at present. > > > > > > /holding is an ext3 partition, empty. > > > /Data & /Graphics are vfat, and could easily be combined under > > > /Data Ooops, and you did say it there plain and simple. OK ... how about copying everything (as root) from /usr into /holding: cp -av /usr/* /holding/ Make sure it looks like everything copied OK. Then you should be able to boot into console mode as root, rename /usr to something else, and mount /dev/hde10 as /usr. Then try to run something that is in /usr and if OK, change /etc/fstab to mount /dev/hde10 as /usr, and you can delete everything in the directory that WAS /usr in hde7. I would do this instead by booting into Knoppix ... I find more and more uses for it every day. From Knoppix it would be less tricky because you would not be running the risk of using something in /usr, but the former method SHOULD work because /usr is supposed to be mountable read only anyway. Almost. -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com & linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Sound problems
Hi. I'm running Mandrake 9.1. I have a SoundBlaster 512 PCI with 4 speakers. My problem is everytime I restart my computer, I have to go into KMix to reset all my sound settings. If I don't do this, sound is very crappy and I have to turn the volume of my speakers to the max to be able to ear something. I tried to save the volume settings as default with no result. Does anybody got this problem with a similar sound card? If so how can I solve it? Thanks for your help +---+ | Albert Charron| +---+ | Linux Registered user: 157482 | |- Registered computers: 164158, 195048, 205791, 205792 | +---+ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Hard drive upgrade
Sorry for the FAQ-like questions, but I can't find my docs handy: I have used in the past some of the instructions from: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hard-Disk-Upgrade/index.html to move a Linux system to a new hard drive, but have not done it in a while. I just got a new one recently (160GB) and have two questions, for those kind enough to answer me: - does the Large Disk Mini How-To still apply with the kernel coming with MDK9.1? - I remember having tried once (a while ago) a similar "move/upgrade", using cpio, but I do not recall the exact syntax (it is in the same place with my lost docs :)) ... anybody knowing it? TIA, Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
Hi James You were right something was using the port. [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# lsof -i :139 COMMANDPID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME vmware-sm 3554 root5u IPv4 6966 TCP 172.16.27.1:netbios-ssn (LISTEN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# kill -9 3554 [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# lsof -i :139 [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# smbd -D & [2] 7169 [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# ps ax 7125 ?S 0:00 pickup -l -t fifo -u -c 7171 ?S 0:00 smbd -D 7172 pts/0R 0:00 ps ax So it looks like vmware is setup as a samba server as well as the host, uhmm ! Also this could be fun trying to get win98 on win4lin5 and winxp on vmware working on the same machine :) with win4lin wanting the host to be server and vmware wanting to be a server too. Its a bit like Pandoras box, well at least there was hope at the bottom of that box. Looks like RTFM the vmware docs. Has anyone on the list successfully run win4lin, vmware and samba at the same time .? TIA Richard On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 21:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 11:46, Richard Bown wrote: > > Thanks James, > > > > log.smbd showed this:- > > > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(707) > > smbd version 2.2.7a-security-rollup-fix started. > > Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(751) > > standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > > bind failed on port 139 socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. > > Error = Address already in use > > > > the other 2 log files I cant find, probably log.smbmount has'nt been > > created yet. syslog is just showing the nmbd entry as poster earlier. > > > > > > I've looked in all the other log files and cant see anything related to > > smbd > > > > Not alot to yer teeth into > > Richard > > No... not a lot.. but enough. Look at the last 3 lines. It can't start > smbd because it is under the impression that something else is using > that port. So it can't bind to it. As root do > > lsof -i :139 > > and see what it says This is the program/daemon that is blocking this > port for you. If it isn't smb kill it if you can and try it again. > I'm willing to bet (but not a large bet.) that smbd at some point > has/had crashed and left behind it's socket marker. So an attempt to > restart can't do it because as far as it's concerned... it's still > running The other point I'm not so sure of is why the address is > 0.0.0.0 This could be normal and I believe it is, but I'm not sure on > this. > > James > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KMail filter oddity
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 9:11 pm, Thomas K. Gamble wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 01:10 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Fwd: Re: [newbie] DVD writing software > > > > Hopefully this should arrive complete with headers. I am still > > trying to find out why this is being filtered to the 9.2 folder > > > > Anne > > It did and there is a 9.2 embedded in the headers. > > I clipped the following: > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.60) by Blind as a bat! I'd seen similar ones in some of the others, but missed this one. For some reason the search didn't pick it up either - and it did on another one. Anyway, mystery over. I'm dropping the body filter - there are too many messages that are being picked up by accident. I'll re-think if it becomes a problem, but for now I'll just use the subject line. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KMail filter oddity
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 01:10 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > Fwd: Re: [newbie] DVD writing software > > Hopefully this should arrive complete with headers. I am still > trying to find out why this is being filtered to the 9.2 folder > > Anne It did and there is a 9.2 embedded in the headers. I clipped the following: Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.60) by -- Thomas K. Gamble Los Alamos National Laboratory Advanced Diagnostics & Instrumentation (C-ADI) p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 MS-E543 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
Thanks Vincent for all the education. I knew that was the best way to get the info out of someone This was all done on a a test system.so nothing is really lost so far. It makes perfect sense from your explanation that the RPM's I was trying to install are for RH. In the future, how does one make rpm's for mandrake then? Say, I want "openssl version" to show me 0.9.7b so that i dont get flagged by some scanners looking at responses version command? I was trying to update openssl to stop myself from getting "flagged" for having a vulnerable system based on a version # only. [eg. sendmail 8.12.6 is patched on Mandrake, BUT, i had to upgrade for 8.12.9 for the same reason!, since scanners would flag 8.12.6 as vulnerable]. Also, after changing the links in /usr/lib to point to newer /usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7, then ran ldconfig, it did reset them to original config! (ie. pointing back to 0.9.6). Can you educate me on that too? Readin "man ldconfig" has not shaded a light yet! Good thing i have not touched any actual hosts being used. BUT, how then can I ran openssl-0.9.7b on the them (using rpm)? _Thanks much Richard --- Vincent Danen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 10:54:20AM -0700, Tru64 User > wrote: > > > i checked my openssl, it was version 0.9.6x > > (vulnerable) > > MandrakeUpdate, does not offer its upgrade via > > security updates. > > What vulnerability are you thinking of, > specifically? Is it this one: > > http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:035 > > AFAIK, there is 0.9.6x version of OpenSSL. Also > keep in mind that we do not > usually upgrade OpenSSL, but rather patch it so your > version may not be > vulnerable, although I am interested in knowing what > vulnerability you are referring to. > > > OK. So? Download openssl-0.9.7b (No rpm available) > > OK. Make one of my own (rpm -tb .tar.gz), > Fine. > > That's not a mandrake spec that is included in the > tar.gz. It is probably > not properly "libified" and rather uses RH's style > of packaging. > = __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
Richard, Do you know something about urpmi? Is a Mandrake feature, you can add several internet servers as rpm sources (urpmi.addmedia) and install lots of packages (in rpm format) just writing "urpmi ". I have added the textar, plf and contribs sources, and I have forgotten the rpm dependences problems. Regards -- Francisco Alcaraz Ariza Murcia, España (Spain) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
On Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 10:54:20AM -0700, Tru64 User wrote:
> i checked my openssl, it was version 0.9.6x
> (vulnerable)
> MandrakeUpdate, does not offer its upgrade via
> security updates.
What vulnerability are you thinking of, specifically? Is it this one:
http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:035
AFAIK, there is 0.9.6x version of OpenSSL. Also keep in mind that we do not
usually upgrade OpenSSL, but rather patch it so your version may not be
vulnerable, although I am interested in knowing what vulnerability you are
referring to.
> OK. So? Download openssl-0.9.7b (No rpm available)
> OK. Make one of my own (rpm -tb .tar.gz), Fine.
That's not a mandrake spec that is included in the tar.gz. It is probably
not properly "libified" and rather uses RH's style of packaging.
> Try installing (complains about conflicting stuff!)
> rpm -e openssl-0.9.6* ;libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk is
> needed by a bunch of stuff.
> So, I used rpm -i --force openssl-0.9.7b-.
This is already bad news. You've pretty much borked your system yourself by
doing this. OpenSSL 0.9.6 and OpenSSL 0.9.7 are *not* compatible.
Ahh... I see you have 0.9.6i and not 0.9.6x... so you are running either 9.0
or 8.2. The version is also the latest update that is out. So either there
is a new vulnerability for openssl that we are not aware of, or you hosed
your system for nothing (ie. that version of openssl is patched).
Taking a quick trip to www.openssl.org...
Ok, I see that 0.9.6j is out, but the openssl page says nothing about
security fixes, just bugfixes. Unfortunately, the changelog on the site is
kinda messed, so I'm downloading 0.9.6j to read the changelog.
Aaargh... I should have saved myself the effort. 0.9.6j was released April
10th to fix those things we patched in March, using patches the openssl team
provided.
In other words, you borked your system for absolutely nothing.
> OK, Good. But libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk was not
> overwritten! So? manually adjusted link for
> libssl.so.0 to point to libssl.so.0.9.7 instead of
> libssl.so.0.9.6, and likewise for libcrypto.so.0
>
> OK. Good. Openssl upgraded.
Not good. Very very bad.
> #ssh otherhost;
> OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 90607f, you
> have 90702f
>
> Arrrggg.i will have to built my own ssh then,
Of course. You changed OpenSSL. OpenSSH must be built against the version
of openssl on your system... which is why we *patch* OpenSSL instead of
using the latest and greatest.
> no rpm for 3.6p1 available. Try building my own:
> rpm -tb openssh-3.6p1.tar.gz
> error: x11-askpass missing.
Again, not a mandrake spec.
> Duh!! Downloaded that from some site:
> one more try: error: failed build dependencies:
> XFree86-imake is needed by openssh-3.6p1-2
>
> Can't locate XFree86-imake rpm!!
You wouldn't. That's a Red Hat thing based on a Red Hat spec.
> Gave up making openssh rpm, I will perform manual
> install:
> ./configure --with-tcp-wrapper
> Error; libwrap not found (I have tcp-wrapper rpm
> installed though!!)
Do you have tcp_wrappers-devel installed? That's probably what you need.
> Google for libwrap library, found an rpm for it:
> rpm -ivh libwrap-7.6.30.i386.rpm ; Error:error: failed
> dependencies:
> tcp_wrappers < 7.6-28 conflicts with libwrap-7.6-30
>
> So, now I have to uninstall tcp_wrappers to install
> libwrap
> (If you are still reading, do you even remember the
> original problem?)
Good grief man, you're trying to install a Red Hat rpm here too! What would
possibly possess you to do that?
> Why are things this complicated
Because a) you made a silly assumption without verifying it, b) you're
mixing and matching stuff from all over the place (ie. RH rpms), c) you're
trying to use a version of openssl that nothing is built against (you'd have
to rebuild a lot more than just openssh IIRC).
If you would have bothered to find out just what you thought you were
vulnerable to, asked here or on the discuss@ list prior to jumping on your
journey of system-self-destruction, you would have been told (probably
rather quickly) that the version of openssl you had originally installed was
perfectly fine and *not* vulnerable.
Resources such as MandrakeSecure (the website, discussion mailing lists,
etc.) exist so people don't have to do things like this or, if they feel
they need to, can at least be informed prior to doing it.
I'm sorry to say that you made this complicated mess for absolutely no gain.
=(
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Re: [expert] PCTEL HSP56 on LMR741/748 Mother board
At 04.42 28/07/2003, you wrote: Im done, i have hit with the wall so many times, i have tried everything, howtos, linmodems.org, and i can not work this probles around, i haven't installed the modem yet to use it with linux, i am using a very old DOS modem wit jumpers, man, it can be so slow. I would thanks a lot, if anybody can help me with this. I have a linux mandrake 9 box. I have the same mother board (748LMRT) but, despite other good reports, I was never able to have the modem work. You can try http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/pctel-linux/, but remember to disable ACPI. Olaf Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KMail filter oddity
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Perhaps it would be better to wait for the messages to start flowing first so that a filter can be generated from actual messages samples. On Tuesday 29 July 2003 03:11 pm, Thomas K. Gamble wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 01:10 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Fwd: Re: [newbie] DVD writing software > > > > Hopefully this should arrive complete with headers. I am still > > trying to find out why this is being filtered to the 9.2 folder > > > > Anne > > It did and there is a 9.2 embedded in the headers. > > I clipped the following: > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Received: from hall.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.60) by - -- "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - --Hermann Goering -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/JtaHaKr9sJYeTxgRAgV/AKCZl0ft4+lwEpInZqIcCzzq5pL/zwCgsNZo gW1Df5dYZFb2Oz8G1I53F7U= =dZsH -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 11:46, Richard Bown wrote: > Thanks James, > > log.smbd showed this:- > > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(707) > smbd version 2.2.7a-security-rollup-fix started. > Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(751) > standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option > [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > bind failed on port 139 socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. > Error = Address already in use > > the other 2 log files I cant find, probably log.smbmount has'nt been > created yet. syslog is just showing the nmbd entry as poster earlier. > > > I've looked in all the other log files and cant see anything related to > smbd > > Not alot to yer teeth into > Richard No... not a lot.. but enough. Look at the last 3 lines. It can't start smbd because it is under the impression that something else is using that port. So it can't bind to it. As root do lsof -i :139 and see what it says This is the program/daemon that is blocking this port for you. If it isn't smb kill it if you can and try it again. I'm willing to bet (but not a large bet.) that smbd at some point has/had crashed and left behind it's socket marker. So an attempt to restart can't do it because as far as it's concerned... it's still running The other point I'm not so sure of is why the address is 0.0.0.0 This could be normal and I believe it is, but I'm not sure on this. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 10:54, Tru64 User wrote: > Hi, > > i checked my openssl, it was version 0.9.6x > (vulnerable) > MandrakeUpdate, does not offer its upgrade via > security updates. > > OK. So? Download openssl-0.9.7b (No rpm available) > OK. Make one of my own (rpm -tb .tar.gz), Fine. > > Try installing (complains about conflicting stuff!) > rpm -e openssl-0.9.6* ;libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk is > needed by a bunch of stuff. > So, I used rpm -i --force openssl-0.9.7b-. > > OK, Good. But libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk was not > overwritten! So? manually adjusted link for > libssl.so.0 to point to libssl.so.0.9.7 instead of > libssl.so.0.9.6, and likewise for libcrypto.so.0 > > OK. Good. Openssl upgraded. > > #ssh otherhost; > OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 90607f, you > have 90702f > > Arrrggg.i will have to built my own ssh then, > no rpm for 3.6p1 available. Try building my own: > rpm -tb openssh-3.6p1.tar.gz > error: x11-askpass missing. > > Duh!! Downloaded that from some site: > one more try: error: failed build dependencies: > XFree86-imake is needed by openssh-3.6p1-2 > > Can't locate XFree86-imake rpm!! > Gave up making openssh rpm, I will perform manual > install: > ./configure --with-tcp-wrapper > Error; libwrap not found (I have tcp-wrapper rpm > installed though!!) > Google for libwrap library, found an rpm for it: > rpm -ivh libwrap-7.6.30.i386.rpm ; Error:error: failed > dependencies: > tcp_wrappers < 7.6-28 conflicts with libwrap-7.6-30 > > So, now I have to uninstall tcp_wrappers to install > libwrap > (If you are still reading, do you even remember the > original problem?) > > Why are things this complicated > > _Thanks > > Richard > The problem comes with exactly what you are running into. But you are yelling at the messenger not the sender. The problem isn't rpm but rather openssh. When openssh people fix a "bug" they don't have to worry about dependency on anything but openssh. MDK, or for that matter RH SuSE etc etc etc, have to worry about all of the applications built against the previous version as well. So what Vincent does (or the package maintainer.) is to look at the changes from the version with the bug to the version with the fix. Weed out all of the "new features" that have nothing to do with the bug and that will/might break other application built against this libpackage (both in building new apps, and in running installed apps.) then package it and release it as a new build. Not necessarily with the new version name and number, because it might not be the complete new version but it is new in that it contains the needed security/bug fix so that your computer is less vulnerable to the black hats of the world. Sometimes this will hold true even from one point release to the other. Because some libs. (take for an extreme example glibc) are so pervasive that they require massive application rebuilds and spec file re-thinks. This isn't pretty. (Which IMHO is why .0 release are often the buggiest of the lot.) The solution is ... use the update rpms. They are the ones that contain the security fixes. Read the MDK errata for your release. http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/errata.php3 Read the security notices for your release. http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/ And check there to be sure that you really do need the update you are trying to do. It may actually already be on your box or in the version in updates. Last thing you could do is to ask here if a == b? If you find something that Vincent or the maintainer of the package has possibly missed. I know they are willing to listen and take action. This has been proven over and over again. (case in point, build 24mdk of the kernel had barely made it to the mirrors when on of the users here found a serious security hole, Within 24 hours a new kernel release fixing the holes had been completed, checked and mirrored. That's moving.) When you get down to lib level often you will be faced with a choice. Trust the security updates. Turn your into MDK-From-Scratch (as opposed to Linux-from-Scratch) or ask Vincent et al. BTW the build version in 9.1 and the update in < 9.0 contains the security fix and does do privilege separation. Which I'm guessing is why you wanted 3.6 Also... 3.6 for Linux is still pretty alpha-ish. (according to some of the openbsd guys I know.) However alpha for those guys is release for M$. Remember there is a reason the word "Bleeding" is used in reference to being just beyond the cutting edge. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KMail filter oddity
Fwd: Re: [newbie] DVD writing software Hopefully this should arrive complete with headers. I am still trying to find out why this is being filtered to the 9.2 folder Anne--- Begin Message --- On Tuesday 29 July 2003 08:48 am, you wrote: > > I can point you in the right direction to get software to do all of > > this if you want. Both Linux and windows IIRC. > > Brian, that does sound interesting. I have other irons in the fire at > the moment, but I'd like to get back to you later, if I may Feel free. There was a time when I was extremely interested in digital video stuff and did a lot of research as well as experimentation. I either have or can find access to all kinds of software that helps with the full gamut of digital video stuff, from capturing existing sources, like DVD, avi, etc. to encoding or reencoding to different formats to writing specific disk formats that can be viewed. I would be happy to point you in the right direction when you want to pursue it. While I don't have any of the full wizard style software for Linux, I can tell you how to put together all the tools you need to rip or grab sources, encode to the required formats and put them into the disk format or image format necessary to create VCD, SVCD, DVD, mini-DVD, and several other lesser known formats. I can also help you determine if your DVD Player supports any particular formats. Just get with me when you are ready. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Georgia Technology Authority --- End Message --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
RPM is not your problem here. The warning messages you are getting are from OpenSSL. The OpenSSL API changes between version. It is trying to verify that the version you linked against is the version you are actually calling. (There are some very good reasons to do this.) Upgrading OpenSSL by hand is not for the timid. And now a real reason to hate RPM. (This is fixable BTW.) If you use "--whatrequires" to find all the things that OpenSSL is supposed to link against, you will get a small handful of the actual dependancies. If you use "-e", you will get a complete list. (If the library is not listed in the spec file, the autodependancy will pick it up, but only the library name, not the correct package.) And then there is the bug in "obsoletes"... On Tue, 29 Jul 2003, Tru64 User wrote: > Hi, > > i checked my openssl, it was version 0.9.6x > (vulnerable) > MandrakeUpdate, does not offer its upgrade via > security updates. > > OK. So? Download openssl-0.9.7b (No rpm available) > OK. Make one of my own (rpm -tb .tar.gz), Fine. > > Try installing (complains about conflicting stuff!) > rpm -e openssl-0.9.6* ;libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk is > needed by a bunch of stuff. > So, I used rpm -i --force openssl-0.9.7b-. > > OK, Good. But libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk was not > overwritten! So? manually adjusted link for > libssl.so.0 to point to libssl.so.0.9.7 instead of > libssl.so.0.9.6, and likewise for libcrypto.so.0 > > OK. Good. Openssl upgraded. > > #ssh otherhost; > OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 90607f, you > have 90702f > > Arrrggg.i will have to built my own ssh then, > no rpm for 3.6p1 available. Try building my own: > rpm -tb openssh-3.6p1.tar.gz > error: x11-askpass missing. > > Duh!! Downloaded that from some site: > one more try: error: failed build dependencies: > XFree86-imake is needed by openssh-3.6p1-2 > > Can't locate XFree86-imake rpm!! > Gave up making openssh rpm, I will perform manual > install: > ./configure --with-tcp-wrapper > Error; libwrap not found (I have tcp-wrapper rpm > installed though!!) > Google for libwrap library, found an rpm for it: > rpm -ivh libwrap-7.6.30.i386.rpm ; Error:error: failed > dependencies: > tcp_wrappers < 7.6-28 conflicts with libwrap-7.6-30 > > So, now I have to uninstall tcp_wrappers to install > libwrap > (If you are still reading, do you even remember the > original problem?) > > Why are things this complicated > > _Thanks > > Richard > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 10:00, Richard Bown wrote: > Hi James, unfortunatly , the're installed :( > > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 06:11, Richard Bown wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I had to do a complete rebuild of the system here a few weeks ago, my > > > fault , made it unstable wth a mix from cooker. > > > > > > Since then I hav'nt had samba running as I also scapped the windows > > > machine when I installed win4lin. > > > Now I find I need samba to print from win4lin, and smbd just wont run, > > > nmbd does. > > > I uninstalled alll the samba files and reinstalled the slightly later > > > version of 2.2.7, I did'nt try 3.0.0 alpha. > > > > > > >From SWAT I can stop and start nmbd but smbd remains not running > > > > > > this keeps appearing in syslog:_ > > > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: [2003/07/29 14:04:12, 0] > > > libsmb/nmblib.c:send_udp(756) > > > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to > > > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted > > > > > > So had a look for libsmb > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# locate libsmb > > > /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so > > > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so > > > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 > > > > > > > > > Am I right in guessing that the libs need to be installed, I've looked > > > with MCC for libsmbserver, but nothing. > > > > > > Some pointers in the right direction please > > > > > > Thanks > > > Richard > > > > I've got it running in just this situation. The rpms I have installed > > are > > > > samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > > samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > > samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > > Richard I looked at your strace not seeing anything that strikes me as an indicator of the problem. (not that I'm all that expert at reading them.) But I might know where you can find it. If you cd into /var/log/samba and do a tail -f of log.smbd, then hit return a bunch of times to make it clear what's old and what's new. Then try to start smbd again vi /etc/init.d/smb restart. Does anything show up there? You might also have to do this with log.[yourhostname] and log.smbmount as well but this one should give you something to sink your teeth into. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 4:50 pm, Jan Wilson wrote: > * Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030729 09:20]: > > I was shocked to realise that my / is running out of space. My > > current situation is > > > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > > /dev/hde7 5.9G 5.3G 288M 95% / > > /dev/hde5 5.9G 2.7G 3.3G 46% /Data > > /dev/hde6 5.7G 452M 5.3G 8% /Graphics > > /dev/hde81012M 7.7M 953M 1% /boot > > /dev/hde105.8G 33M 5.5G 1% /holding > > /dev/hde9 9.7G 4.5G 5.3G 47% /home > > /dev/hdf1 5.3G 3.3G 1.8G 65% /mnt/Mdk9_0 > > /dev/hdf6 3.9G 2.2G 1.7G 57% /mnt/OldData > > /dev/hdf7 6.7G 5.0G 1.7G 75% /mnt/OldHome > > /dev/hde1 3.9G 1.8G 2.2G 46% /mnt/windows > > > > hdf is the old drive, and to be ignored. Only half of hde is > > partitioned and used at present. > > > > /holding is an ext3 partition, empty. > > /Data & /Graphics are vfat, and could easily be combined under > > /Data > > > > Question: If I do this, then remove /Graphics, can mcc extend a > > partition backwards like this? Seems to me that would be > > problematic. > > > > /boot is much bigger than needed, but that wouldn't gain very > > much room. > > > > What is the easiest and safest way of making more space here? > > New hard drive, definitely. /dev/hde appears to be a 40G drive; > you should be able to replace it with an 80, at least. You could > probably then put the old stuff on the 40G if you want, or maybe > use it for backups of important stuff from the new drive. > No, no. You misunderstand. This *is* a 80G drive. When I set it up only a couple of months ago I thought I had allowed plenty of space, so would use the rest later, probably for later versions > Anyway, I would suggest expanding rather than juggling. Whatever > you do to try to get back down under 90% (which should be > considered a full drive IMHO) would soon be creeping up into the > 90% range. Agreed - it came as a shock to realise just how quickly it had filled up. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What's the deal with this?
On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 11:42:38 -0500 Praedor Atrebates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: > dia-0.90-5mdk (due to missing pygtk) > draksync-9.0-2mdk (due to missing pygtk) > pybliographer-1.0.11-7mdk (due to unsatisfied pygnome >= 1.4.0) > pygnome-1.4.4-1mdk (due to unsatisfied pygtk == 0.6.9) > pygnome-capplet-1.4.4-1mdk (due to unsatisfied pygnome == 1.4.4) > pygtk-0.6.9-6mdk (due to conflicts with pygtk[< 0.6.11]) > do you agree ? (Y/n) > > Absolutely NOT! There will be no removals here, just UPGRADES. I > don't get it. For one thing, pybliographer works perfectly yet urpmi > wants to remove it simply because I want to install pygtk2-libglade?! > Wrong, look at the removal list again. pygtk-0.6.9-6mdk (due to conflicts with pygtk[< 0.6.11]) This causes the other pkg removals. It is caused by the fact that pygtk < 0.6.11 and pygtk2 are not parallel installable. With PyGTK-2 and PyGTK-0.x installed and using the same version of Python, the applications that required PyGTK-0.x would stop working. This happened because Python would import PyGTK-2 preferentially, and the names of the modules are the same: 'gtk'. This issue has been resolved in pygtk=0.6.11 which is currently in cooker and will be avaiable in 9.2. You could dl and rebuild the src rpm from cooker but that will also entail rebuilding all currently installed pkgs which require gtk. Charles -- "Little else matters than to write good code." -- Karl Lehenbauer - Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon Kernel- 2.4.21.6mdk http://www.eslrahc.com - pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [expert] Mandrake Update through MCC and new kernel
On Tuesday, Jul 29, 2003, at 11:22 America/Chicago, Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 08:22:15PM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Regarding the instructions for the kernel upgrade, they include: 'Once you have modified your lilo.conf or menu.lst file, execute "lilo -v" or "sh /boot/grub/install.sh", again depending upon your bootloader.' I have never re-installed grub (over 3 years) after only modifying menu.lst and there have been others who have expressed a reservation about this instruction. My understanding was that it was not necessary (1) but my understanding might be incomplete, so I would appreciate some clarification here. I don't use grub, so I can't honestly say. If someone knows definitively, please let me know. Grub need not be re-installed when a new kernel is being added to the system. All you may need to do is modify menu.lst and even that seems to be unnecessary with Mandrake since the vmlinuz and initrd point to the latest kernel and initrd via soft links. Avi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
Thanks James, log.smbd showed this:- [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(707) smbd version 2.2.7a-security-rollup-fix started. Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2002 [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] smbd/server.c:main(751) standard input is not a socket, assuming -D option [2003/07/29 19:32:47, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) bind failed on port 139 socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. Error = Address already in use the other 2 log files I cant find, probably log.smbmount has'nt been created yet. syslog is just showing the nmbd entry as poster earlier. I've looked in all the other log files and cant see anything related to smbd Not alot to yer teeth into Richard On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 19:14, James Sparenberg wrote: > I looked at your strace not seeing anything that strikes me as an > indicator of the problem. (not that I'm all that expert at reading > them.) But I might know where you can find it. If you cd into > /var/log/samba and do a tail -f of log.smbd, then hit return a bunch of > times to make it clear what's old and what's new. Then try to start > smbd again vi /etc/init.d/smb restart. Does anything show up there? > You might also have to do this with log.[yourhostname] and log.smbmount > as well but this one should give you something to sink your teeth into. > > James > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Richard Bown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KMail filter oddity
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 6:38 pm, Thomas K. Gamble wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:00 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > > Since it's coming to that time again, there is going to be a lot > > of traffic about 9.2, so I decided to filter them to a separate > > folder for the time being. I set the filter to or > > contains 9.2 move to folder 9.2. > > > > I have just got 7 messages in that folder, and they have nothing > > to do with 9.2, nor does searching the messages come up with > > anything (in case I had overlooked something). > > Does kmail use regular expressions? If so, the . would evaluate > true for any character and you'd need to put the . in square > brackets like so: 9[.]2 to evaluate it literally. > I don't think it can be that. You see, I've partially solved it by setting the second option to instead of because it was picking up 9.2 from urls, date/time stamps and anywhere else. When I changed that and ran the filters on the messages almost all went back to where they should be. Of course when Charles signs 'Mandrake Linux 9.2 on PurpleDragon' it gets picked up but that's OK. Really, now I'm left with just one that I can't explain. I'll try to forward it to see if you can see any reason for it Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 09:48, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 5:32 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 08:07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > ... > > > > > Use extreme caution when messing with partitions!! > > > > > > Always double check and using diskdrake; Don't go back on > > > your steps too often, diskdrake gets messy.bail out with > > > "cancel" if you're not sure. > > > > I'm going to second that advice -- in fact, I'd suggest skipping > > diskdrake, going to init 1 and using fdisk. > > > Hmm - long ago I used diskdruid and a pot of adrenaline. I'm a dab > hand with windows fdisk, but I've never used the linux one. I > presume it's similar? > > Anne yeah, just with about 200 more options :-) Read the options on each screen a few times before doing anything. Best thing about it is that it doesn't make changes until you tell it, so you can do stuff, think about it for a while, then commit when you're sure. -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Update through MCC and new kernel
On Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 01:04:54PM -0500, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> >>Regarding the instructions for the kernel upgrade, they include:
> >>
> >>'Once you have modified your lilo.conf or menu.lst file, execute "lilo
> >>-v" or "sh /boot/grub/install.sh", again depending upon your
> >>bootloader.'
> >>
> >>I have never re-installed grub (over 3 years) after only modifying
> >>menu.lst and there have been others who have expressed a reservation
> >>about this instruction. My understanding was that it was not
> >>necessary
> >>(1) but my understanding might be incomplete, so I would appreciate
> >>some
> >>clarification here.
> >
> >I don't use grub, so I can't honestly say. If someone knows
> >definitively,
> >please let me know.
>
> Grub need not be re-installed when a new kernel is being added to the
> system. All you may need to do is modify menu.lst and even that seems
> to be unnecessary with Mandrake since the vmlinuz and initrd point to
> the latest kernel and initrd via soft links.
Cool. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 13:54, Tru64 User wrote: > So, now I have to uninstall tcp_wrappers to install > libwrap > (If you are still reading, do you even remember the > original problem?) > > Why are things this complicated > > _Thanks > > Richard > You have to understand that everything in an Elf based system affects almost everything else. Look up a program called Rpmgraph on freshmeat.net or google and you will begin to understand what I mean. An rpm system takes into account that the entire distro is a system that is balanced on itself. Some items are more critical to that balance than others; glibc is a good example since nearly everything that's not statically compiled depends on glibc. A glibc foobar will hose the whole system. You can't really understand the importance of a dependency based distro until you either study the intricacies and implications of an rpmgraph in detail or else you run a non-dependency based distro for a few years and deal with the breakage there. I promise you that no matter how bad you think your troubles are now, they are as nothing compared to when a major break occurs in a non-dependency based distro. Like Slackware, for instance. Slackware, like any other elf type distro, is a system that's balanced on itself. That balance can easily be thrown out of whack with the installation of a tar.gz that unilaterally installs itself without regard to the consequences. The main difference between dependency and non-dependency is that the rpm's weigh the consequences of what they are about to do, and in so doing force you to do the same. What they cannot do is give you the experience of running a non-dependency distro. --LX -- °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk "Filter That, Beach!" --Lanman, MDK Newbie List Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] samba probs again
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 18:10, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN wrote: > This line is curious. Why is a broadcast ip responding? > > > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted > Brian its a broadcast not a response, confusing as it split on 2 lines Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted HTH Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] I Hate RPM's!!
On September 1993 plus 3618 days [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why are things this complicated Because you aren't reading the security advisories sent by mandrake. Vincent and the rest of the secteam backport the security patches to the version that came out with whichever release of mandrake that has a vulnerability, instead of just upgrading to the latest stable/secure version of the packages. If you use MandrakeUpdate to update your box, and it tells you there are no security updates, it's because you are on the latest patched version of the packages. This is done so you don't have to download a bunch of packages that have no problems just because they were compiled against the version that the distro was released with. So...you went through all of this without cause or reason. Vox -- Think of the Linux community as a niche economy isolated by its beliefs. Kind of like the Amish, except that our religion requires us to use _higher_ technology than everyone else. -- Donald B. Marti Jr. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[expert] KMail filter oddity
Since it's coming to that time again, there is going to be a lot of traffic about 9.2, so I decided to filter them to a separate folder for the time being. I set the filter to or contains 9.2 move to folder 9.2. I have just got 7 messages in that folder, and they have nothing to do with 9.2, nor does searching the messages come up with anything (in case I had overlooked something). I'm completely stuck on this. What on earth could be going wrong with such a simple filter? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Update through MCC and new kernel
On Tue Jul 29, 2003 at 10:48:06AM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
> >Sure. What do you mean by making the thing a hyperlink? You mean do a >href="http://...";>kernel update thing? Why would I want to do that in
> >an all-text (no HTML) message? A decent mail client would make that
> >clickable or accessible (mutt does).
>
> What I mean is that on the webpage for the kernel advisory,
> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:066-2
> there is a plain text url for the critical kernel upgrade instructions,
> http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php Since there are other
> clickable links on that page, couldn't this one be made as easy to follow?
> This is somewhat less of an issue if the conflicting manual upgrade
> statement is removed but it might be an easy improvement to accomplish.
I thought you meant the advisory.
Ok, I'll see what I can do about this.
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Re: [expert] Making space
* Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030729 09:20]: > I was shocked to realise that my / is running out of space. My > current situation is > > FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on > /dev/hde7 5.9G 5.3G 288M 95% / > /dev/hde5 5.9G 2.7G 3.3G 46% /Data > /dev/hde6 5.7G 452M 5.3G 8% /Graphics > /dev/hde81012M 7.7M 953M 1% /boot > /dev/hde105.8G 33M 5.5G 1% /holding > /dev/hde9 9.7G 4.5G 5.3G 47% /home > /dev/hdf1 5.3G 3.3G 1.8G 65% /mnt/Mdk9_0 > /dev/hdf6 3.9G 2.2G 1.7G 57% /mnt/OldData > /dev/hdf7 6.7G 5.0G 1.7G 75% /mnt/OldHome > /dev/hde1 3.9G 1.8G 2.2G 46% /mnt/windows > > hdf is the old drive, and to be ignored. Only half of hde is > partitioned and used at present. > > /holding is an ext3 partition, empty. > /Data & /Graphics are vfat, and could easily be combined under /Data > > Question: If I do this, then remove /Graphics, can mcc extend a > partition backwards like this? Seems to me that would be > problematic. > > /boot is much bigger than needed, but that wouldn't gain very much > room. > > What is the easiest and safest way of making more space here? New hard drive, definitely. /dev/hde appears to be a 40G drive; you should be able to replace it with an 80, at least. You could probably then put the old stuff on the 40G if you want, or maybe use it for backups of important stuff from the new drive. I recently replaced two 40G drives with two 160G drives. I tried to keep the old 40G too, just so I could say I had over a third of a terabyte of storage, but the system seemed to be a bit unstable with three hard drives. Probably the power supply is a little weak. Anyway, I would suggest expanding rather than juggling. Whatever you do to try to get back down under 90% (which should be considered a full drive IMHO) would soon be creeping up into the 90% range. -- Jan Wilson, SysAdmin _/*]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Corozal Junior College | |:' corozal.com corozal.bz Corozal Town, Belize | /' chetumal.com & linux.bz Reg. Linux user #151611 |_/ Network, PHP, Perl, HTML Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] KMail filter oddity
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:00 am, Anne Wilson wrote: > Since it's coming to that time again, there is going to be a lot of > traffic about 9.2, so I decided to filter them to a separate folder > for the time being. I set the filter to or > contains 9.2 move to folder 9.2. > > I have just got 7 messages in that folder, and they have nothing to > do with 9.2, nor does searching the messages come up with anything > (in case I had overlooked something). Does kmail use regular expressions? If so, the . would evaluate true for any character and you'd need to put the . in square brackets like so: 9[.]2 to evaluate it literally. > > I'm completely stuck on this. What on earth could be going wrong > with such a simple filter? > > Anne -- Thomas K. Gamble Los Alamos National Laboratory Advanced Diagnostics & Instrumentation (C-ADI) p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 MS-E543 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.0
are you using cups or lpd? what does the logfile say? On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 08:28, Lawson, Jim wrote: > I am having problems printing to a Okidata 8z printer. I have tried USB and > the parallel port. The print jobs go to the queue but never print. Test > pages also. > > James S. Lawson > Network Administrator > Brown Raysman Millstein Felder & Steiner > 900 Third Avenue > New York, NY 10022 > Tel: (212) 895-2679 > (@ @) > oOO--(_)--OOo- > > Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the > use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may > contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original > message. Thank you. > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Mandrake 9.0
Cups. I used cup web page and saw the file in the queue. -Original Message- From: Jack Coates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:08 PM To: Mandrake Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] Mandrake 9.0 are you using cups or lpd? what does the logfile say? On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 08:28, Lawson, Jim wrote: > I am having problems printing to a Okidata 8z printer. I have tried USB and > the parallel port. The print jobs go to the queue but never print. Test > pages also. > > James S. Lawson > Network Administrator > Brown Raysman Millstein Felder & Steiner > 900 Third Avenue > New York, NY 10022 > Tel: (212) 895-2679 > (@ @) > oOO--(_)--OOo- > > Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the > use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may > contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from > disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not > the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, > distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. > Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. > If you have received this communication in error, please notify us > immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original > message. Thank you. > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] What's the deal with this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 There is an app available called "Pyblink" that makes it possible to use pybliographic with OpenOffice. It is a bit of a hack but if you use references in your writing, it is possible to get past the loser reference manager in OO/SO and use pybliographic instead. Pybliographic is intended to work with Lyx. Anyway, unfortunately, it is not an easy thing to simply install and run Pyblink (http://www.sonnet.dk/pyblink/). It requires: Python2, pygtk2, and pypygtk2-libglade. I have each except pygtk2-libglade installed. I did "urpmi pygtk2-libglade" and get this: The following packages have to be removed for others to be upgraded: dia-0.90-5mdk (due to missing pygtk) draksync-9.0-2mdk (due to missing pygtk) pybliographer-1.0.11-7mdk (due to unsatisfied pygnome >= 1.4.0) pygnome-1.4.4-1mdk (due to unsatisfied pygtk == 0.6.9) pygnome-capplet-1.4.4-1mdk (due to unsatisfied pygnome == 1.4.4) pygtk-0.6.9-6mdk (due to conflicts with pygtk[< 0.6.11]) do you agree ? (Y/n) Absolutely NOT! There will be no removals here, just UPGRADES. I don't get it. For one thing, pybliographer works perfectly yet urpmi wants to remove it simply because I want to install pygtk2-libglade?! NO! Pybliographer is one of the most important apps on the system. In any case, why does urpmi give a damn about the others (which don't have any problems with pygtk2-libglade, per se, but with other files which are installed. For instance: pybliographer-1.0.11-7mdk (due to unsatisfied pygnome >= 1.4.0) pygnome-1.4.4-1mdk (due to unsatisfied pygtk == 0.6.9) pygnome-capplet-1.4.4-1mdk (due to unsatisfied pygnome == 1.4.4) See what this is saying? pygnome-1.4.4 IS installed but urpmi wants to remove pybliographer because its pygnome-1.4.4 dependency isn't met? Same for the rest in that list. Is this indicating that urpmi is broken and that I will be forced to use rpm to force pygtk2-libglade onto my system that way? At least rpm wont idiotically remove (rather than upgrade) other apps to do it. Anyone have words of wisdom to impart before I proceed? - -- "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - --Hermann Goering -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/JqQGaKr9sJYeTxgRAkfVAKC1ay9n7Tf/56f96cPK12LR9bSsAgCfVCqP Grn9fzDpxjO06Zt34W5svx4= =DHPY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] I Hate RPM's!!
Hi, i checked my openssl, it was version 0.9.6x (vulnerable) MandrakeUpdate, does not offer its upgrade via security updates. OK. So? Download openssl-0.9.7b (No rpm available) OK. Make one of my own (rpm -tb .tar.gz), Fine. Try installing (complains about conflicting stuff!) rpm -e openssl-0.9.6* ;libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk is needed by a bunch of stuff. So, I used rpm -i --force openssl-0.9.7b-. OK, Good. But libopenssl0-0.9.6i-1.4mdk was not overwritten! So? manually adjusted link for libssl.so.0 to point to libssl.so.0.9.7 instead of libssl.so.0.9.6, and likewise for libcrypto.so.0 OK. Good. Openssl upgraded. #ssh otherhost; OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 90607f, you have 90702f Arrrggg.i will have to built my own ssh then, no rpm for 3.6p1 available. Try building my own: rpm -tb openssh-3.6p1.tar.gz error: x11-askpass missing. Duh!! Downloaded that from some site: one more try: error: failed build dependencies: XFree86-imake is needed by openssh-3.6p1-2 Can't locate XFree86-imake rpm!! Gave up making openssh rpm, I will perform manual install: ./configure --with-tcp-wrapper Error; libwrap not found (I have tcp-wrapper rpm installed though!!) Google for libwrap library, found an rpm for it: rpm -ivh libwrap-7.6.30.i386.rpm ; Error:error: failed dependencies: tcp_wrappers < 7.6-28 conflicts with libwrap-7.6-30 So, now I have to uninstall tcp_wrappers to install libwrap (If you are still reading, do you even remember the original problem?) Why are things this complicated _Thanks Richard __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Write to ext3 data partition
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 02:23, charlie wrote: > Hoping someone might be able to help me. > Mandrake 9.1 > Created 2 data partitions previously vfat to ext3 on install > I was able to mount and write to them as root right from the start, but not as > user, then :- > I have been able to mount them as user, with some trial and error and > frustration. But am still unable to write to them as user. > > Below is part of my /etc/fstab file showing the recalcitrant partitions. > > /dev/hda6 /mnt/slack ext3 defaults 0 2 > /dev/hda7 /exp ext3 noauto,users,defaults 0 2 > /dev/hdc8 /new ext3 noauto,users,defaults 0 2 > /dev/hda1 /mnt/winc vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 > /dev/hdc1 /mnt/xp vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 > /dev/hda9 /mnt/wing vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 > /dev/hdc5 /mnt/spare vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 > > I have tried :- mounting them as the vfat partitions as :- > > /dev/hda7 /mnt/exp ext3 noauto,user,defaults 0 0 > /dev/hdc8 /mnt/new ext3 noauto,user,defaults 0 0 > > Also :- > > /dev/hda7 /mnt/exp ext3 umask=0,user,noauto,defaults 0 0 > /dev/hdc8 /mnt/new ext3 umask=0,user,noauto,defaults 0 0 > > Also :- > > /dev/hda7 /mnt/exp ext3 defaults 1 2 > /dev/hdc8 /mnt/new ext3 defaults 1 2 > > Also :- > > /dev/hda7 /exp ext3 defaults 0 2 > /dev/hdc8 /new ext3 defaults 0 2 > > Also :- > > /dev/hda7 /exp ext3 noauto,user,unhide 0 0 > /dev/hdc8 /new ext3 noauto,user,unhide 0 0 > > And various derivatives of all the above, and rebooted in between each > > I have used chown to change the owner owner charlie group root > > Made them alone, rwxrwxr-x > > All to no avail. > > The /etc/fstab entry at least allow me to mount the filesystems as user. > > Access is denied to user. anything can be done as root. > > Help, I may have missed something obvious. > I do not plan to create any more ext3 data partitions if I am unable to mount > them as user? Maybe this is normal with ext3 partitions? In the past leaving > them as FAT32 was so that they could be accessed by both windows and Linux, > but on the way to moving to native Linux alone, I wanted to use ext3 data > partitions. > > Thanks in advance. > Charlie. One question is the mount command setuid root or do you run it under sudo? despite the users setting in fstab I've had to do this on my box to get remote partitions to be mountable as a user. Haven't yet gotten it so that a user can unmount them with umount but progress is on the way. James > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Update through MCC and new kernel
Vincent Danen wrote: On Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 08:22:15PM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Mandrake should change their kernel installation instructions in the latest Security Advisory since they say there: "To upgrade automatically, use MandrakeUpdate. If you want to upgrade manually, download the updated package(s) from one of our FTP server mirrors and upgrade with "rpm -Fvh *.rpm"." It's a canned message. If people are going to read that part of the advisory, they should also read the part about following the instructions at a page on MandrakeSecure: http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/kernelupdate.php I love it when people read the inconsequential part of an advisory and miss the actual advisory text. I have been among those who have diligently read through the whole page to come across the inappropriate (wrt kernel) "canned message". It is not easy to make a distinction between what is merely there because it might be part of a page template and what is to be taken as part of the instruction, especially if this is the first time you are trying to understand how to upgrade the kernel or do any manual update. It would be better, imo, if this could be excluded from the kernel advisories and, also, if the url to the kernel upgrade instructions were a hyperlink, thus making it more likely someone will follow it in their browser and giving it more visual 'weight'. Sure. What do you mean by making the thing a hyperlink? You mean do a http://...";>kernel update thing? Why would I want to do that in an all-text (no HTML) message? A decent mail client would make that clickable or accessible (mutt does). What I mean is that on the webpage for the kernel advisory, http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/advisories/advisory.php?name=MDKSA-2003:066-2 there is a plain text url for the critical kernel upgrade instructions, http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/docs/magic.php Since there are other clickable links on that page, couldn't this one be made as easy to follow? This is somewhat less of an issue if the conflicting manual upgrade statement is removed but it might be an easy improvement to accomplish. Regarding the instructions for the kernel upgrade, they include: 'Once you have modified your lilo.conf or menu.lst file, execute "lilo -v" or "sh /boot/grub/install.sh", again depending upon your bootloader.' I have never re-installed grub (over 3 years) after only modifying menu.lst and there have been others who have expressed a reservation about this instruction. My understanding was that it was not necessary (1) but my understanding might be incomplete, so I would appreciate some clarification here. I don't use grub, so I can't honestly say. If someone knows definitively, please let me know. Well, I have not been able to find it in the grub docs but here is a statement from Red Hat's file: "# grub.conf generated by anaconda # # Note that you do not have to rerun grub after making changes to this file" http://www.redhat.com/archives/redhat-install-list/2002-January/msg00931.html What I can do on the website is remove the "to upgrade manually" part arbitrarily.. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should be using urpmi or rpmdrake, so we'll just ignore that part. I'll also do the same with the advisory template. I'm too lazy to make the system distinguish between what should be done manually and what shouldn't be; chances are, one time I'll forget and the jackals will leap for my throat. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] kcheckers
anyone able to get this to compile on MDK 9.1? [EMAIL PROTECTED] kcheckers]$ rpm -qa | grep qt libqt3-common-3.1.1-13.1mdk libqt3-devel-3.1.1-13.1mdk libqt3-3.1.1-13.1mdk I had to edit the Makefile and specify the location of $(QTDIR), then specify that qmake lives in $(QTDIR)/bin before make qmake would succeed. After doing that, make fails: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kcheckers]$ make g++ -c -pipe -Wall -W -O2 -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe -march=i586 -mcpu=pentiumpro -DQT_NO_DEBUG -I/usr/lib/qt3//mkspecs/default -I. -I/include -o pdn.o pdn.cpp pdn.cpp:2:19: qfile.h: No such file or directory In file included from pdn.cpp:5: pdn.h:5:25: qstringlist.h: No such file or directory In file included from pdn.cpp:5: pdn.h:31: parse error before `&' token pdn.h:32: parse error before `&' token ... the rest is snipped. [EMAIL PROTECTED] kcheckers]$ locate qfile.h /usr/lib/qt3/include/qfile.h /usr/share/doc/qt-3.1.1/doc/html/qfile.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] kcheckers]$ head pdn.cpp #include So path is still not being set correctly. I've tried adding path to the .h and .cpp files, but without success. I noticed that a binary is included, but it fails to run because Mandrake doesn't use the same naming convention as the developer's distro and it can't find libqt.so.3. I did ln -s /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.1.1 /usr/lib/qt3/lib/libqt.so.3 and ldconfig, but the error is then: [EMAIL PROTECTED] kcheckers]$ ./kcheckers ./kcheckers: relocation error: ./kcheckers: undefined symbol: __ti7QWidget I sent a mail to the developer, but his mail admin bounced it for some reason, and since that reason is in Cyrillic... thanks, -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] What's the deal with this?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 29 July 2003 11:42 am, Praedor Atrebates wrote: > There is an app available called "Pyblink" that makes it possible to use > pybliographic with OpenOffice. It is a bit of a hack but if you use > references in your writing, it is possible to get past the loser reference > manager in OO/SO and use pybliographic instead. Pybliographic is intended > to work with Lyx. [...] Well, the point is moot at this time, it seems. Pyblink is written to work with Redhat (it seems) so it is setup for Redhat quirks and wont work properly with Mandrake. If there are any python wizards in the list, perhaps they could alter pyblink to work with Mandrake? The problem is that it looks for several modules and fails to find them, presumably, because of the way Redhat handles python. Pyblink tries to import gtk.glade and several other modules but fails to find them (presumably merely a problem with naming). I would like to any python wizards here to take a look at pyblink and determine what tweaks are required to get it working in Mandrake. Pyblink can act as a stopgap measure to allow for pybliographic to provide OpenOffice a function somewhat akin to Word with EndNote, allowing for the simple addition of citations to OO docs via pybliographic. Right now, the only way to do this in linux is to use Lyx (which is what pybliographic is designed to work with). What would REALLY be great is to see a pyblink rpm for Mandrake produced (hint-hint) and added to the MandrakeClub files for download. praedor - -- "Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country." - --Hermann Goering -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/JrGIaKr9sJYeTxgRAhtbAJ4j5eVv3oZsF5ZAu/1zeYeCNaVKrwCeNEzt gMIzvispK/rhtJngCuS1KJc= =WBnL -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 5:32 pm, Jack Coates wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 08:07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > ... > > > Use extreme caution when messing with partitions!! > > > > Always double check and using diskdrake; Don't go back on > > your steps too often, diskdrake gets messy.bail out with > > "cancel" if you're not sure. > > I'm going to second that advice -- in fact, I'd suggest skipping > diskdrake, going to init 1 and using fdisk. > Hmm - long ago I used diskdruid and a pot of adrenaline. I'm a dab hand with windows fdisk, but I've never used the linux one. I presume it's similar? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 4:34 pm, Richard Bown wrote: > I think the hostss file is OK Anne > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# cat /etc/hosts > 192.168.1.1 gb7tf.org.uk gb7tf > 127.0.0.1 localhost > > > I checked the process list and nmbd -D is running , but no sign of > smbd. Looks like its getting killed as it tries to start. > I tried starting smbd manually in deamon mode, it gave the process > ID , but no process was running, syslog showed the same as > earlier.. > Richard > I can think of lots of reasons for samba to be not performing, but I haven't a clue why it's not running at all. The best I can suggest is that you go to O'Reilley's website, where Using Samba is available for download. There is a section there that takes you through troubleshooting. It's pretty comprehensive, so it should help. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] samba probs again
This line is curious. Why is a broadcast ip responding? > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted Brian D. Klar - CVE Multimax Network Engineer WPAFB -Original Message- From: Richard Bown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 1:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] samba probs again Hi James, unfortunatly , the're installed :( On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 06:11, Richard Bown wrote: > > Hi, > > I had to do a complete rebuild of the system here a few weeks ago, my > > fault , made it unstable wth a mix from cooker. > > > > Since then I hav'nt had samba running as I also scapped the windows > > machine when I installed win4lin. > > Now I find I need samba to print from win4lin, and smbd just wont run, > > nmbd does. > > I uninstalled alll the samba files and reinstalled the slightly later > > version of 2.2.7, I did'nt try 3.0.0 alpha. > > > > >From SWAT I can stop and start nmbd but smbd remains not running > > > > this keeps appearing in syslog:_ > > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: [2003/07/29 14:04:12, 0] > > libsmb/nmblib.c:send_udp(756) > > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to > > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted > > > > So had a look for libsmb > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# locate libsmb > > /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so > > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so > > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 > > > > > > Am I right in guessing that the libs need to be installed, I've looked > > with MCC for libsmbserver, but nothing. > > > > Some pointers in the right direction please > > > > Thanks > > Richard > > I've got it running in just this situation. The rpms I have installed > are > > samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
Hi James, unfortunatly , the're installed :( On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 17:42, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 06:11, Richard Bown wrote: > > Hi, > > I had to do a complete rebuild of the system here a few weeks ago, my > > fault , made it unstable wth a mix from cooker. > > > > Since then I hav'nt had samba running as I also scapped the windows > > machine when I installed win4lin. > > Now I find I need samba to print from win4lin, and smbd just wont run, > > nmbd does. > > I uninstalled alll the samba files and reinstalled the slightly later > > version of 2.2.7, I did'nt try 3.0.0 alpha. > > > > >From SWAT I can stop and start nmbd but smbd remains not running > > > > this keeps appearing in syslog:_ > > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: [2003/07/29 14:04:12, 0] > > libsmb/nmblib.c:send_udp(756) > > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to > > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted > > > > So had a look for libsmb > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# locate libsmb > > /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so > > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so > > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 > > > > > > Am I right in guessing that the libs need to be installed, I've looked > > with MCC for libsmbserver, but nothing. > > > > Some pointers in the right direction please > > > > Thanks > > Richard > > I've got it running in just this situation. The rpms I have installed > are > > samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk > samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk [EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# rpm -q samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk Richard Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: What is BBCode?
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:46, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 2:38 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 14:48, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > On Monday 28 Jul 2003 9:36 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: > > > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > > BBCode? > > > > > > > > A pseudo-HTML type of code usable only within the message > > > > posting area of certain types of websites which contain > > > > "forums", of the sort that are provided by several packages > > > > like phpBB. While BBcode will vary from one implementation to > > > > the next, it is usually a set of commands enclosed in square > > > > brackets (as opposed to HTML's angle brackets), and with the > > > > same "[on]text[/on]" on-off convention of using a forward slash > > > > before the option name to signify the turning off of that > > > > option. Examples: > > > > > > > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/faq.php?mode=bbcode > > > > http://www.programmers-unlimited.com/forum/bbcoderef.php > > > > http://2002.sxsw.com/forum/faq.php#bbcode > > > > > > > > HTH! > > > > > > Sort of It is, of course, on forum sites that I have seen > > > it, but I don't really see the point. Ah well, I'm turning into > > > a real old fogey that thinks plain text should be good enough for > > > anyone in a serious discussion > > > > > > Anne > > > >Anne, > >This is what I think of when someone talks to me about > > elegance in programming. I really hate to hear that word spoken > > around working programs that need to be modified in a minor way. > > To me it usually means > > > > 1. I can't read code and figure out what it's doing, but I writes > > code real good like. (translation: that bug fix will take 6 months > > while I rewrite your entire code base.) > > > > 2. The guy who invented that language is an idiot. My religion > > has a higher god than his. ( translation: I can't understand the > > logic constructs in that language so I've got another one I think I > > can program in.)AKA My language is cooler than your language. > > > > 3. Lack of research to see if what they are inventing already > > exists. (translation: I didn't know about that tool you are > > using... the one with the bug eyes... yeah yeah google that's it.) > > > > I often refer to this disease as the M$ syndrome, or, the NIBM(not > > invented by me) so it can't be any good, problem. > > > James, I didn't intend to flame BBCode. Basically what I was saying > is that it doesn't sound as though there is any advantage to me in > taking the effort to learn it. I have no problem with anyone else > that wants to use it. > > Anne Guess I did, even though a flame wasn't the intent. Perhaps the result of listening to too many excuses that day. Sorry if I was interpreted or came across that way. james Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 08:07, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: ... > Use extreme caution when messing with partitions!! > > Always double check and using diskdrake; Don't go back on your steps too > often, diskdrake gets messy.bail out with "cancel" if you're not sure. > I'm going to second that advice -- in fact, I'd suggest skipping diskdrake, going to init 1 and using fdisk. > I'm outta here to the Ardennes for a few weeks;o) congrats! Have a good time, -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Mandrake Update through MCC and new kernel
On Mon Jul 28, 2003 at 08:22:15PM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
> >>Mandrake should change their kernel installation instructions in the
> >>latest Security Advisory since they say there:
> >>
> >>"To upgrade automatically, use MandrakeUpdate. If you want to upgrade
> >>manually, download the updated package(s) from one of our FTP server
> >>mirrors and upgrade with "rpm -Fvh *.rpm"."
> >
> >
> >It's a canned message. If people are going to read that part of the
> >advisory, they should also read the part about following the instructions
> >at
> >a page on MandrakeSecure:
> >
> >http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/kernelupdate.php
> >
> >I love it when people read the inconsequential part of an advisory and miss
> >the actual advisory text.
> >
>
> I have been among those who have diligently read through the whole page
> to come across the inappropriate (wrt kernel) "canned message". It is
> not easy to make a distinction between what is merely there because it
> might be part of a page template and what is to be taken as part of the
> instruction, especially if this is the first time you are trying to
> understand how to upgrade the kernel or do any manual update. It would
> be better, imo, if this could be excluded from the kernel advisories
> and, also, if the url to the kernel upgrade instructions were a
> hyperlink, thus making it more likely someone will follow it in their
> browser and giving it more visual 'weight'.
Sure. What do you mean by making the thing a hyperlink? You mean do a http://...";>kernel update thing? Why would I want to do that in
an all-text (no HTML) message? A decent mail client would make that
clickable or accessible (mutt does).
> Regarding the instructions for the kernel upgrade, they include:
>
> 'Once you have modified your lilo.conf or menu.lst file, execute "lilo
> -v" or "sh /boot/grub/install.sh", again depending upon your bootloader.'
>
> I have never re-installed grub (over 3 years) after only modifying
> menu.lst and there have been others who have expressed a reservation
> about this instruction. My understanding was that it was not necessary
> (1) but my understanding might be incomplete, so I would appreciate some
> clarification here.
I don't use grub, so I can't honestly say. If someone knows definitively,
please let me know.
What I can do on the website is remove the "to upgrade manually" part
arbitrarily.. As far as I'm concerned, everyone should be using urpmi or
rpmdrake, so we'll just ignore that part.
I'll also do the same with the advisory template. I'm too lazy to make the
system distinguish between what should be done manually and what shouldn't
be; chances are, one time I'll forget and the jackals will leap for my
throat.
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Re: [expert] samba probs again
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 06:11, Richard Bown wrote: > Hi, > I had to do a complete rebuild of the system here a few weeks ago, my > fault , made it unstable wth a mix from cooker. > > Since then I hav'nt had samba running as I also scapped the windows > machine when I installed win4lin. > Now I find I need samba to print from win4lin, and smbd just wont run, > nmbd does. > I uninstalled alll the samba files and reinstalled the slightly later > version of 2.2.7, I did'nt try 3.0.0 alpha. > > >From SWAT I can stop and start nmbd but smbd remains not running > > this keeps appearing in syslog:_ > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: [2003/07/29 14:04:12, 0] > libsmb/nmblib.c:send_udp(756) > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted > > So had a look for libsmb > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# locate libsmb > /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 > > > Am I right in guessing that the libs need to be installed, I've looked > with MCC for libsmbserver, but nothing. > > Some pointers in the right direction please > > Thanks > Richard I've got it running in just this situation. The rpms I have installed are samba-client-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-server-2.2.7a-9.2mdk samba-common-2.2.7a-9.2mdk James > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Test
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 04:10, ed tharp wrote: > On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:32, James Sparenberg wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 21:20, David E Fox wrote: > > > hey > > > > strau > you mean straw?, like hay? Yep. > > > > > > > > > > > all you are talking about is just the first stage of bull $hit, so take > it to the OT list, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just reposted this there > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > __ > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Mandrake 9.0
I am having problems printing to a Okidata 8z printer. I have tried USB and the parallel port. The print jobs go to the queue but never print. Test pages also. James S. Lawson Network Administrator Brown Raysman Millstein Felder & Steiner 900 Third Avenue New York, NY 10022 Tel: (212) 895-2679 (@ @) oOO--(_)--OOo- Notice: This message, and any attached file, is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Nothing in this e-mail message should be construed as a legal opinion. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete all copies of the original message. Thank you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] strace of smbd 4 samba probs
If its any help to see whats happening here's the strace of smbd on
starting it.
Please dont reply to this as its large,use original thread "re:samba
probs again"
Tnx
Richard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] richard]# strace smbd -D
execve("/usr/sbin/smbd", ["smbd", "-D"], [/* 55 vars */]) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="gb7tf.org.uk", ...}) = 0
brk(0) = 0x823f8e8
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40013000
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)= -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/i686/sse/mmx/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/i686/sse/mmx", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/i686/sse/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/i686/sse", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/i686/mmx/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such
file or directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/i686/mmx", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/i686/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/i686", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/sse/mmx/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file
or directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/sse/mmx", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/sse/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/sse", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/mmx/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
stat64("/usr/lib/mmx", 0xbfffecd0) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/usr/lib/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
stat64("/usr/lib", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=45056, ...}) = 0
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=64642, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 64642, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40014000
close(3)= 0
open("/lib/libacl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=19308, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 22368, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40024000
mprotect(0x40029000, 1888, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x40029000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x4000) = 0x40029000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libcups.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0pt\0\000"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=117840, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 118688, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x4002a000
mprotect(0x40046000, 4000, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x40046000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x1c000) = 0x40046000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libssl.so.0.9.7", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\0\205\0"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=194960, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 199780, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40047000
mprotect(0x40075000, 11364, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x40075000, 12288, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x2d000) = 0x40075000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.7", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\320\276"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=1025512, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1038712, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40078000
mprotect(0x40161000, 84344, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x40161000, 73728, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0xe9000) = 0x40161000
old_mmap(0x40173000, 10616, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40173000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libnsl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/lib/libnsl.so.1", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\20<\0\000"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=69484, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS,
-1, 0) = 0x40176000
old_mmap(NULL, 80896, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) =
0x40177000
mprotect(0x40188000, 11264, PROT_NONE) = 0
old_mmap(0x40188000, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED,
3, 0x1) = 0x40188000
old_mmap(0x40189000, 7168, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE,
MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40189000
close(3)= 0
open("/usr/lib/libpam.so.0", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or
directory)
open("/lib/libpam.so.0", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0 \25\0\000"...,
1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=29336, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 32396, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVAT
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 16:39, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 3:09 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 14:13, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > What is the easiest and safest way of making more space here? > > > > > > Anne > > > > If you've got enough spare space on your HD: make a nice big (5gb > > or more) new partition, format it ext3 and call it /usr (yeah > > that's the big one).diskdrake will ask you if you want to move > > your existing files there. > > Do OK, give it some time and close diskdrake. It'll prompt for the > > changes to /etc/fstab. > > > > Take a note anyway what the partitons are called now anyway.I > > have had to change /etc/fstab manually after that anyway (had to > > comment out the old entries...but then you don't have that:o)). > > It's not 100% proof so check it to be sure. > > Hi, Harm. I have to go out in a few minutes, so I'll not risk rushing > it. I'll try that this evening. > > Thanks > > Anne Use extreme caution when messing with partitions!! Always double check and using diskdrake; Don't go back on your steps too often, diskdrake gets messy.bail out with "cancel" if you're not sure. I'm outta here to the Ardennes for a few weeks;o) -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
I think the hostss file is OK Anne [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# cat /etc/hosts 192.168.1.1 gb7tf.org.uk gb7tf 127.0.0.1 localhost I checked the process list and nmbd -D is running , but no sign of smbd. Looks like its getting killed as it tries to start. I tried starting smbd manually in deamon mode, it gave the process ID , but no process was running, syslog showed the same as earlier.. Richard On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 15:38, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 2:25 pm, Richard Bown wrote: > > Sorry I'm at it again but just spotted in syslog this, SWAT is > > still saying smbd not running > > but > > Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: [2003/07/29 14:21:32, 0] > > lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > > Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: bind failed on port 139 > > socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. > > Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: Error = Address already in use > > > Richard, have you checked your hosts file? It should have a localhost > line and a machine fqdn. I know it's caused problems for a few > people > > Anne > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 3:09 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 14:13, Anne Wilson wrote: > > What is the easiest and safest way of making more space here? > > > > Anne > > If you've got enough spare space on your HD: make a nice big (5gb > or more) new partition, format it ext3 and call it /usr (yeah > that's the big one).diskdrake will ask you if you want to move > your existing files there. > Do OK, give it some time and close diskdrake. It'll prompt for the > changes to /etc/fstab. > > Take a note anyway what the partitons are called now anyway.I > have had to change /etc/fstab manually after that anyway (had to > comment out the old entries...but then you don't have that:o)). > It's not 100% proof so check it to be sure. Hi, Harm. I have to go out in a few minutes, so I'll not risk rushing it. I'll try that this evening. Thanks Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 2:25 pm, Richard Bown wrote: > Sorry I'm at it again but just spotted in syslog this, SWAT is > still saying smbd not running > but > Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: [2003/07/29 14:21:32, 0] > lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) > Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: bind failed on port 139 > socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. > Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: Error = Address already in use > Richard, have you checked your hosts file? It should have a localhost line and a machine fqdn. I know it's caused problems for a few people Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] samba probs again
Sorry I'm at it again but just spotted in syslog this, SWAT is still saying smbd not running but Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: [2003/07/29 14:21:32, 0] lib/util_sock.c:open_socket_in(804) Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: bind failed on port 139 socket_addr = 0.0.0.0. Jul 29 14:21:32 gb7tf smbd[5114]: Error = Address already in use On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 14:11, Richard Bown wrote: > Hi, > I had to do a complete rebuild of the system here a few weeks ago, my > fault , made it unstable wth a mix from cooker. > > Since then I hav'nt had samba running as I also scapped the windows > machine when I installed win4lin. > Now I find I need samba to print from win4lin, and smbd just wont run, > nmbd does. > I uninstalled alll the samba files and reinstalled the slightly later > version of 2.2.7, I did'nt try 3.0.0 alpha. > > >From SWAT I can stop and start nmbd but smbd remains not running > > this keeps appearing in syslog:_ > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: [2003/07/29 14:04:12, 0] > libsmb/nmblib.c:send_udp(756) > Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to > 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted > > So had a look for libsmb > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# locate libsmb > /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so > /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 > > > Am I right in guessing that the libs need to be installed, I've looked > with MCC for libsmbserver, but nothing. > > Some pointers in the right direction please > > Thanks > Richard > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Making space
On Tuesday 29 July 2003 14:13, Anne Wilson wrote: > What is the easiest and safest way of making more space here? > > Anne If you've got enough spare space on your HD: make a nice big (5gb or more) new partition, format it ext3 and call it /usr (yeah that's the big one).diskdrake will ask you if you want to move your existing files there. Do OK, give it some time and close diskdrake. It'll prompt for the changes to /etc/fstab. Take a note anyway what the partitons are called now anyway.I have had to change /etc/fstab manually after that anyway (had to comment out the old entries...but then you don't have that:o)). It's not 100% proof so check it to be sure. -- Good luck, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] samba probs again
Hi, I had to do a complete rebuild of the system here a few weeks ago, my fault , made it unstable wth a mix from cooker. Since then I hav'nt had samba running as I also scapped the windows machine when I installed win4lin. Now I find I need samba to print from win4lin, and smbd just wont run, nmbd does. I uninstalled alll the samba files and reinstalled the slightly later version of 2.2.7, I did'nt try 3.0.0 alpha. >From SWAT I can stop and start nmbd but smbd remains not running this keeps appearing in syslog:_ Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: [2003/07/29 14:04:12, 0] libsmb/nmblib.c:send_udp(756) Jul 29 14:04:12 gb7tf nmbd[4665]: Packet send failed to 192.168.1.255(138) ERRNO=Operation not permitted So had a look for libsmb [EMAIL PROTECTED] log]# locate libsmb /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so /usr/lib/libsmbclient.so.0 Am I right in guessing that the libs need to be installed, I've looked with MCC for libsmbserver, but nothing. Some pointers in the right direction please Thanks Richard -- Richard Bown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Write to ext3 data partition
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 10:23 am, charlie wrote: > Hoping someone might be able to help me. > Mandrake 9.1 > Created 2 data partitions previously vfat to ext3 on install > I was able to mount and write to them as root right from the start, > but not as user, then :- > I have been able to mount them as user, with some trial and error > and frustration. But am still unable to write to them as user. > > Below is part of my /etc/fstab file showing the recalcitrant > partitions. > > /dev/hda6 /mnt/slack ext3 defaults 0 2 /dev/hde7 / ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hdf1 /mnt/Mdk9_0 ext3 user,defaults 1 2 is from my fstab. > The /etc/fstab entry at least allow me to mount the filesystems as > user. > > Access is denied to user. anything can be done as root. > > Help, I may have missed something obvious. > I do not plan to create any more ext3 data partitions if I am > unable to mount them as user? Maybe this is normal with ext3 > partitions? It certainly isn't. > In the past leaving them as FAT32 was so that they > could be accessed by both windows and Linux, but on the way to > moving to native Linux alone, I wanted to use ext3 data partitions. > I haven't yet converted my vfat partitions, so don't know if it throws up dodgy fstab entries, but comparing yours with mine above should help you get them reading/writing. HTH Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Making space
I was shocked to realise that my / is running out of space. My current situation is FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on /dev/hde7 5.9G 5.3G 288M 95% / /dev/hde5 5.9G 2.7G 3.3G 46% /Data /dev/hde6 5.7G 452M 5.3G 8% /Graphics /dev/hde81012M 7.7M 953M 1% /boot /dev/hde105.8G 33M 5.5G 1% /holding /dev/hde9 9.7G 4.5G 5.3G 47% /home /dev/hdf1 5.3G 3.3G 1.8G 65% /mnt/Mdk9_0 /dev/hdf6 3.9G 2.2G 1.7G 57% /mnt/OldData /dev/hdf7 6.7G 5.0G 1.7G 75% /mnt/OldHome /dev/hde1 3.9G 1.8G 2.2G 46% /mnt/windows hdf is the old drive, and to be ignored. Only half of hde is partitioned and used at present. /holding is an ext3 partition, empty. /Data & /Graphics are vfat, and could easily be combined under /Data Question: If I do this, then remove /Graphics, can mcc extend a partition backwards like this? Seems to me that would be problematic. /boot is much bigger than needed, but that wouldn't gain very much room. What is the easiest and safest way of making more space here? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Sound problem after MB upgrade
On Monday 28 July 2003 10:28 pm, Joeb wrote: > Thomas K. Gamble wrote: > >I recently upgraded my MB to a Tyan Thunder K7X Pro and now I'm > > having problems with sound in MDK 9.1. I'm using the same sound > > card as before (SB live) and same MDK version (stock kernel). > > Here's a description of what happens: > > > >After a reboot sound players like xmms will lock up when attempting > > to play a sound file. I can get sound to work by killing the app > > and kmix, restarting alsad and soundd, then restarting kmix. > > Strangely, kmix has the master and PCM controls muted when I > > restart it at this point. Unmute and sound works with one glitch: > > If I try to adjust the volume from xmms, the sound stops. Twiddle > > the PCM control in kmix and sound comes back. > > > >Any clues as to what might cause this strange behavior? Would a > > kernel upgrade fix this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > >Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > Does this MB have an onboard sound card and is it still enabled in > CMOS? If so, disable it. Otherwise, you might look at > /proc/interrupts and see if the sound card is using the same > interrupt as some other card (most likely network or video). If it > is, you might try moving it to a different slot in the computer and > see if that solves it (it seems PCI cards sometimes assign interrupts > based on which slot a card is in). No onboard sound card and /proc/interrupts doesn't show any conflicts. One other strange thing though. Harddrake shows the card under 'Unknown/Other' although it's correctly identified as SB Live! (audio) and has the correct driver (snd-emu10k1). I may try moving it to another slot and let harddrake reconfigure it to see if it makes a difference. I hate to reinstall just to solve this. > > Joeb -- Thomas K. Gamble Los Alamos National Laboratory Advanced Diagnostics & Instrumentation (C-ADI) p:505-665-4323 f:505-665-4267 MS-E543 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Copying a file across NFS
On Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:34:56 -0700 Rob Blomquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > This sounds exactly as you describe... collisions! They are due to a > > number of reasons; but some things to check: > > > > 1. Bypass the hub with a direct (rolled) cable. If this works (check > > collisions in ifconfig), then replace your hub with a switch which > > doesn't suffer from the following... Note: some "hubs" are really > > switches... A real hub is a cheap buffered repeater -- the buffer is > > rather small (acts like an "elastic buffer"); it "snaps" when a > > sending NIC's crystal is out of specs -- the snap results in the hub > > sending a "jam" (collision) back to the sending NIC. Bypassing the > > hub eliminates the hub's elastic buffer. I'm surprised you're able to > > send that much data if this is the problem though... > > Well the hub I use a LinkSys NH-105 connects all the machines on the > network, our DSL router, my Linux box, our File server, and my wife's > laptop. One of mine is a LinkSys EFAH05W, sold as a "hub" (as opposed to the one sold as a "switch"); but it is really a switch. I wanted a real *hub* for net. monitoring purposes; but that's another story. > I have not recently checked my wife's laptop, but the only time that I > see these collisions is between my box and the file server. And yes, I > did get 650Mb to pass after rebooting the server. Are they on both ends, or just between the LinkSys and one of the machines? > > 2. Near end collisions: are your cables direct, or running through > > hookups around the house? Poor connections and not enough twists in > > the pairs or poor cable at the sending end can result in near-end > > collisions due to crosstalk from sending signal back into sender's > > receiver circuitry-- hearing itself. > We just moved, and right now all connections with the hub to machines > are less than 10 feet. So I don't think there is a problem there, but > maybe the hub to FS cable is bad, it has gotten a bit of strain, as I > forget it is only 3 feet long. Near-end collisions have been know to occur on short cables and be resolved with longer cables; but I don't have a specific example as that experience was circa 1991. On the other hand, if near-end coll. are not the problem, and the coll. are only seen on one box, I might be tempted to swap the NICs to see if the problem changes. That said, this is ethernet, and collisions are normal to some extent. I was once doing some tests on a server/router pair and found that there were 30% collisions on a direct 10baseT/CAT5 link -- turned out to be the pseudo-random backoff algorithm in both machines was causing the problems. Both were trying to be aggressive in getting their data on the wire resulting in tons of early colisions. This is something that can't be fixed easily -- low-level driver changes needed -- no idea if that is in the Linux drivers, or in the NIC's logic (probably the latter)... > > > 3. If your NIC is an Intel eepro10, consider trying something else... > > I had this very problem when transferring large files... > > interestingly, the apparently random failures were at exactly the same > > point on any specific file. > > No I run a mixture of 3Com 3C509 and D-Link RTL 8139 using the 8139too > driver. When transfering a particular file, any chance the length of the transfer is always the same...? A long shot; but if so, it would be a problem the kernel folk should hear about... in that case, let me know and I'll dig out my notes... > I will check the cables and the hub as you say, and replace as needed, > upgrading the hub if needed. May be moot... but good luck. > Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Test
On Tue, 2003-07-29 at 00:32, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 21:20, David E Fox wrote: > > hey > > strau you mean straw?, like hay? > > > > > > > all you are talking about is just the first stage of bull $hit, so take it to the OT list, I just reposted this there > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Write to ext3 data partition
Hoping someone might be able to help me. Mandrake 9.1 Created 2 data partitions previously vfat to ext3 on install I was able to mount and write to them as root right from the start, but not as user, then :- I have been able to mount them as user, with some trial and error and frustration. But am still unable to write to them as user. Below is part of my /etc/fstab file showing the recalcitrant partitions. /dev/hda6 /mnt/slack ext3 defaults 0 2 /dev/hda7 /exp ext3 noauto,users,defaults 0 2 /dev/hdc8 /new ext3 noauto,users,defaults 0 2 /dev/hda1 /mnt/winc vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 /dev/hdc1 /mnt/xp vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 /dev/hda9 /mnt/wing vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 /dev/hdc5 /mnt/spare vfat noauto,user,unhide 0 0 I have tried :- mounting them as the vfat partitions as :- /dev/hda7 /mnt/exp ext3 noauto,user,defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc8 /mnt/new ext3 noauto,user,defaults 0 0 Also :- /dev/hda7 /mnt/exp ext3 umask=0,user,noauto,defaults 0 0 /dev/hdc8 /mnt/new ext3 umask=0,user,noauto,defaults 0 0 Also :- /dev/hda7 /mnt/exp ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hdc8 /mnt/new ext3 defaults 1 2 Also :- /dev/hda7 /exp ext3 defaults 0 2 /dev/hdc8 /new ext3 defaults 0 2 Also :- /dev/hda7 /exp ext3 noauto,user,unhide 0 0 /dev/hdc8 /new ext3 noauto,user,unhide 0 0 And various derivatives of all the above, and rebooted in between each I have used chown to change the owner owner charlie group root Made them alone, rwxrwxr-x All to no avail. The /etc/fstab entry at least allow me to mount the filesystems as user. Access is denied to user. anything can be done as root. Help, I may have missed something obvious. I do not plan to create any more ext3 data partitions if I am unable to mount them as user? Maybe this is normal with ext3 partitions? In the past leaving them as FAT32 was so that they could be accessed by both windows and Linux, but on the way to moving to native Linux alone, I wanted to use ext3 data partitions. Thanks in advance. Charlie. -- The simplest questions are the hardest to answer. Northrop Frye This email is guaranteed to be wholly Linux Mandrake 9.1, Kmail v1.5 and OpenOffice.org1.1Beta Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Test
On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 23:37, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: °°° Linux Mandrake 9.1 Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk "Filter That, Beach!" --Lanman, MDK Newbie List lmao Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT: What is BBCode?
On Tuesday 29 Jul 2003 2:38 am, James Sparenberg wrote: > On Mon, 2003-07-28 at 14:48, Anne Wilson wrote: > > On Monday 28 Jul 2003 9:36 pm, Bill Mullen wrote: > > > On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Anne Wilson wrote: > > > > BBCode? > > > > > > A pseudo-HTML type of code usable only within the message > > > posting area of certain types of websites which contain > > > "forums", of the sort that are provided by several packages > > > like phpBB. While BBcode will vary from one implementation to > > > the next, it is usually a set of commands enclosed in square > > > brackets (as opposed to HTML's angle brackets), and with the > > > same "[on]text[/on]" on-off convention of using a forward slash > > > before the option name to signify the turning off of that > > > option. Examples: > > > > > > http://www.oooforum.org/forum/faq.php?mode=bbcode > > > http://www.programmers-unlimited.com/forum/bbcoderef.php > > > http://2002.sxsw.com/forum/faq.php#bbcode > > > > > > HTH! > > > > Sort of It is, of course, on forum sites that I have seen > > it, but I don't really see the point. Ah well, I'm turning into > > a real old fogey that thinks plain text should be good enough for > > anyone in a serious discussion > > > > Anne > >Anne, >This is what I think of when someone talks to me about > elegance in programming. I really hate to hear that word spoken > around working programs that need to be modified in a minor way. > To me it usually means > > 1. I can't read code and figure out what it's doing, but I writes > code real good like. (translation: that bug fix will take 6 months > while I rewrite your entire code base.) > > 2. The guy who invented that language is an idiot. My religion > has a higher god than his. ( translation: I can't understand the > logic constructs in that language so I've got another one I think I > can program in.)AKA My language is cooler than your language. > > 3. Lack of research to see if what they are inventing already > exists. (translation: I didn't know about that tool you are > using... the one with the bug eyes... yeah yeah google that's it.) > > I often refer to this disease as the M$ syndrome, or, the NIBM(not > invented by me) so it can't be any good, problem. > James, I didn't intend to flame BBCode. Basically what I was saying is that it doesn't sound as though there is any advantage to me in taking the effort to learn it. I have no problem with anyone else that wants to use it. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
