[expert] No mails?
How come I received no mails from thi sthread anymore? Joe RLU# 186063
RE: [expert] An observation on this Mandrake list
Cool Man! Joe RLU# 186063 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Simon Cousins Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 12:42 PM To: expert linux mandrake.com Subject: [expert] An observation on this Mandrake list Dear fellow listers, There was a time when Linux lists were all about collaboration. Sysadmins would collaborate with other sysadmins, hobbyists would collaborate with other hobbyists, developers would collaborate with other developers. It was widely understood that without the developers, this glorious project and movement didn't exist. Blessed were the coders. Look at Linux today. Look at Mandrake in particular. Who would have been game enough to stand up and predict what a distro was capable of, just two short years ago. These days, there are more developers than ever, of course, and vastly greater numbers of users. Once, the only users were by definition developers.. I read this list daily and rely on the sage advice of many of it's posters, and sincerely try to put back what little I'm capable of. What I'm seeing more and more, however, and what makes me a little sad and nostalgic for the pioneering days, is a general movement towards "complaining to the developers" 'cause something doesn't work to a user's full expectations. I make a point of swallowing my flamage, however I think that it's time for us all to remember that Linux is a journey, not a destination. We owe a huge debt of gratitude to open source developers the world over, and for us blessed few to have chosen Mandrake-Linux, we owe the Mdk team a bloody big thank you. On behalf of every internal voice I have that curses your work when it doesn't do what I think it should ;-) , THANK YOU. I promise I'll have patience and I'll always try to remember how hard you folks work, for not enough material reward. I'll try to pay you back with my evangelism of your work. -- Simon Cousins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds.
RE: [expert] Free programming language
Thanks for the reply. Actually I am trying to avoid falling into a quicksand. I don't want later when I have written the program in a specific linux-based programmig language, the original author of the programming language impose royalty or license fee. I have bought a commercial development kit last time where i end only using 0.1% of its capability. I'm not a good programmer. Looking at it I don't want to chunk out huge some of money to invest in a commercial language that i won't fully utilise. And certainly I don't want to fall into the trap of "free license" and i don't mean GPL here. I remember coming across a "free license" agreement that is really NOT free at all. have a nice day fellow linuxians :) Joe RLU# 186063 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of D. Stark - eSN Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 9:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] Free programming language He's right. Anything YOU create in C (or C++ or Perl or whatever) belongs to YOU, regardless of who wrote the compiler/interpreter. Understand, though, that any libraries you dynamically link to (or perl modules) of course aren't your own, and may fall under some other license. Just because you develop with OSS doesn't mean that you have to produce OSS. I take it you want to create something to be sold? For a scripting style language (quick prototyping and useful in cgi), I recommend perl. There are others, but none with perl's flexibility. There are even compilers now to turn perl into machine code. How nice, eh? For programming, take your pick, but Mandrake comes with gcc, which is thier ANSI compliant C compiler. If you use that, all your C or C++ (use gcc++ for that) programming books from school will be worth something. Derek Stark IT / Linux Admin eSupportNow xt 8952 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Free programming language On Friday 26 January 2001 08:16, you wrote: Hi Linuxians, I need a list of free programming language and scripting language available for Linux. Free as in for any purpose. Don't want any hanky panky free license. Huh? If you mean GPL, it is there to prevent ugly little comedies like theft of someone's college homework program making a commercial killing significant enough to produce some of the world's richest folks. Perl has two licenses and you may use either. The only restriction on the free license is that if you modify/distribute the software you obtained under the license, you have to pass on the freedoms to use, modify, distribute and distribute modified versions to those you distribute to as well. If you did a development install of GNU/LM, you have many of the languages on your machine. Others are available by searching www.freshmeat.net, www.google.com, and www.sourceforge.com. In addition, you might want to try searching "computer operating systems" because there are other experimental systems out there--lots of them, that often have pet languages. Many of those systems and languages are totally free--uncopyrighted and ready to be exploited, free as in beer, not as in speech. Civileme If anybody have it, can you pass me the list together with where to obtain them. Thanks very much in advance. Joe RLU #186063
RE: [expert] Free programming language
Thanks a lot. I'll check with the distro disks. Joe RLU# 186063 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Free programming language On Friday 26 January 2001 17:21, you wrote: Thanks for the reply. Actually I am trying to avoid falling into a quicksand. I don't want later when I have written the program in a specific linux-based programmig language, the original author of the programming language impose royalty or license fee. I have bought a commercial development kit last time where i end only using 0.1% of its capability. I'm not a good programmer. Looking at it I don't want to chunk out huge some of money to invest in a commercial language that i won't fully utilise. And certainly I don't want to fall into the trap of "free license" and i don't mean GPL here. I remember coming across a "free license" agreement that is really NOT free at all. have a nice day fellow linuxians :) Joe RLU# 186063 Well, we have ALMOST all the Free(not free) stuff off the first two disks of our distro. If you run an expert install, you should find a host of languages, including, but not limited to: Python Perl Tcl/Tk Ruby Mercury OCAML Haskell Scheme Guile Lisp Fortran77 (via a translator to c) Pascal(via a translator to c called p2c) c/c++ nasm SmallEiffel several others, even (yecch) basic, all under free licenses or we don't put them on If you have done little programming and want one that is simple to start with but has a lot of power, I would recommend Python. It has inherently clean code and oject-oriented features, and with the aid of its extensive libraries and bindings, power similar to the best. I use it in preference to Perl because six months later I can still figure out how the code relates to the task just by reading it. Python is also available on a lot of platforms including windows, but it is more fun to program in linux where the emacs bindings make block structure so easy to handle. I heard someone did a similar Python editor for Windows, with autoindentation and delimiter highlighting and neat color-coding of statement and data types, but I have never seen it. Civileme You may not find these on the "Complete" edition, but you will find them on download and Power Pack.
RE: [expert] winmodems
Buy external modems. They are much faster than winmodem for the same stated bitrate. winmodems use HSP but external modems use DSP. HSP uses your CPU to process modem data... think when there's lot of programs running, won't it slows down your modem data processing? at the end you don't get full speed. I have encountered this before. externals are more expensive but it worth the price. if you want more modems, but multi-port serial card. with that you can connect to as many modems the card alllows. just my 1 buck :) Joe RLU# 186063 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jose M. Sanchez Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [expert] winmodems Very, Very, cheap. VERY VERY tied to MS Windows... And Very Very Proprietary. They are so cheap that the manufacturers are paranoid that others will employ their "technology", meaning software to create their own Winmodems. As a result no one wishes to reveal programming specifications. This is the fault of the manufacturers who do this to sell something to you that you think is a bargain. It's not a bargain at all. I don't think you have used them long enough to find this out... Personally I hope Linux never supports these types of devices, winprinters, winmodems, etc. unless the manufacturers release the specs... and even then I have my reservations. Winmodems are EVIL. -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of faisal Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] winmodems with all do respect to your opinion i have seen most people turn linux down cause they dont have a linux supported modem they dont want to spen extra buck external modem for linux so they stick to windows ... if linux is aiming for people homes then maybe people sholud think diffrent. i used winmodems my windows machine i am sorry to say that i have not find any problem with them in fact if you come to look @ it they are very very cheap. - Original Message - From: "civileme" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 4:17 AM Subject: Re: [expert] winmodems On Friday 26 January 2001 20:44, you wrote: so many peoples have problems with winmodem in linux i wonder why they dont dont make drivers for them ? is it that hard ? It is when no information is available. It is when no developers are interested in supporting people who replace $40 worth of hardware with less than $3 worth of hardware, and charge consumers nearly the same price. Remember, this is a community based on free software. If a piece of software is to be written, _someone_ has to write it. With a HUGE job of reverse engineering and fighting upstream to avoid infringements on software that is often a) patented and b) secret, it is downright amazing that as much progress as is current has been made. If one lives in the United States, he not only has to reverse engineer the product, but he also has to hire a lawyer to defend him in case he infringes inadvertantly on the secret, patented software for which it is a license violation(and likely a felony) to disassemble, even if it is for the purpose of avoiding infringements. For all of this effort, he receives notoriety as his only pay. On top of that, the problem has to be interesting to the programmer and he wants to see the product used. If you read the page at the linmodem site, the folks there are more interested in using the devices for telephony, where they are considered appropriate devices. Read a few of the posts from the archives, search on the word "Gandia". Ramon Gandia is an ISP in Nome, Alaska, and he often explained winmodems in detail. The other thing stopping more effort on them is that many potential developers feel they are doing users a _disservice_ by providing the drivers, because they cannot compare in quality of service to dedicated hardware modems. Civileme
[expert] Free programming language
Hi Linuxians, I need a list of free programming language and scripting language available for Linux. Free as in for any purpose. Don't want any hanky panky free license. If anybody have it, can you pass me the list together with where to obtain them. Thanks very much in advance. Joe RLU #186063
