RE: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
His is not an isolated problem. I also have this problem on a clean install of 7.1. After viewing 4-5 fonts in Gimp, the fontserver crashes. It will also crash in Drakconfig's font utility after viewing a few more... i.e. 8 - 10. I'm running a rock solid SMP DUAL 450Mhz PIII with 512Megs of RAM. Gimp is from the Helix-Gnome download, but this also happens in the font viewer. -JMS |-Original Message- |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anton Graham |Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 12:16 PM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict | | |Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: | Anton, | | Ok, I need to clarify myself a little: Font server crashes in GIMP | everytime I try to select a font. I can click and preview the first | four fonts in the list without problem. Click and preview number five | locks the program and creates the error mesage. | |This I cannot reproduce in GIMP 1.1.22. Could you provide your |version number so that I can try with that version? | |
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: Anton, Ok, I need to clarify myself a little: Font server crashes in GIMP everytime I try to select a font. I can click and preview the first four fonts in the list without problem. Click and preview number five locks the program and creates the error mesage. This I cannot reproduce in GIMP 1.1.22. Could you provide your version number so that I can try with that version? I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner Okay, this is normal behavior. Essentially Linux keeps track of how many times a particular partition has been mounted and forces an fsck at boot time if the number of mounts exceeds a certain number :) The message just tells you the result of that check. Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. Alright, go into the setup menu for kppp, select one one of the accounts and click edit. Select the IP tab in the new window and ensure that the checkbox at the bottom (Auto-configure hostname from this IP) is _not_ checked. Everytime I log out I see many Gnome error messages. Here is a small sample: rm: Cannot remove '/home/ibi/.gnome //gmc-0L6CF2': No such file or directory. Gnome VT-warning **: Could not open help topic file NULL. Warning: gnome_is_image_filename called, you should use gnome mime instead. Hmm... So these errors are on your terminal screen when you close the X session? If this is the case, they may be errors generated by applications used within GNOME. One way to test this is to open a teminal and run the applications from there. It is apparent that *something* is not quite right :/ You said GNOME always starts with two windows open. Assuming that you want these two windows open everytime you start GNOME, try closing all windows, repoen those two and logout checking the save current setup box. This *may* remove any extraneous entries from your ~/.gnome/session file. BTW, I don't think the AMD CPU is the problem. I am quite unsure about the motherboard though. I don't know that I've ever seen the TYAN S1590s mentioned in this list. In fact I don't recall any Tyan/VIA chip being mentioned here. I would agree with that assessment. The only thing I can remember specifically about VIA chipsets is a kernel compile option with regard to the onboard drive controllers. -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered!
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, you wrote: I seem to have a conflict that causes Mdk to perform poorly. No version I've tried to date runs well. This includes 6.0, boxed 6.1 PowerPack-which wouldn't install the first disk, and 7.0-2. Needless to say I am as frustrated as the kind folks who are privately trying to help me. Did you try making sure you have the updated initscripts? That's caused some problems in the past. Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. I see many warnings and error messages about the screensaver Atlantis in Gnome. The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Gnome help file warning error "NULL" I don't know how you connect to the 'Net, but KPPP has a little check box in the setup, under "IP" which has "autoconfigure hostname from this IP." IF this is checked in KPPP, you'll get the problems you've described with programs refusing to open when you're on-line. Not sure EXACTLY why this happens, but I know it's generally caused because you've changed the name of your box and now your X server can't connect The monitor was never been correctly identified but once configured does not seem to cause any problems. I generally don't bother with the auto-configured X settings. IMNSHO, the auto-setup isn't "ready for primetime" when it comes to setting up X. Maybe it's just that I like to mix and match hardware, but I've found that I generally have to use one of the X configuration utils to set up my X. What is the answer and is there a solution? Do I have a timing or hardware conflict or a combination? Probably a combination of the two. Or, maybe you're expecting a bit too much from Linux. After all, it's not quite at the same level of hardware detection and setup as Windows 9x is. John
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, you wrote: I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner This is normal behavior, unless it does it EVERY time. Think of it as an automatic SCANDISK at bootup. It will do a QUICK check of the filesystem every time it boots, and a more thorough check after every few boots, which is one good reason NOT to reboot frequently, if you can help it, and to leave the system on 24/7, if it's an option. Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. Basically, do NOT check the box that says "autoconfigure hostname from this IP." If you do, you're changing your machine name, which means that X programs will no longer be able to start. I'm afraid I can't help with Gnome problems, as I don't use Gnome. John
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Anton, First, many thanks. The auto configure host name box was checked! I unchecked it. "Atlantis" is the screensaver I have enabled. Versions: Gimp 1.04; Gnome Panel: 1.0.55; 2.2.14-24mdk_i486 on a i586. When X starts I see the blue screen; the Gnome logo; enlightenment starting; user screen; desktop icons; Gnome Help Index** window and /home/ibi/directory open. **Gnome Users Guide; Error loading ghelp: users-guide not installed. TOC: man pages.. OK (Aside: I don't think I can prevent these two 'start' windows from opening, but it sure would be nice.*) At shut down I see the previously mentioned Gnome errors plus these comments: xscreensaver-command: no screensaver is running on display :0.0 xscreensaver disabling server builtin screensaver xscreensaver: you can re-enable it with "xset s on." rm: cannot remove /home/ibi/.gnome //gmc-(this number changes each time) This is how I create the Gimp lockup: 1-open Gimp 2-select: new 3-select: default window size 4-select color: red 5-select: alphabet tool. Drop down menu appears with area to type text 6-Type text: "Test" 7-Select first font and preview. Do not select font. 8-Repeat font selection and preview. Do not select font. 9-Select fifth font. *No preview.* Gimp Locks up. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 09:15 AM 6/25/00 -0700, you wrote: Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: .SNIP.. This I cannot reproduce in GIMP 1.1.22. Could you provide your version number so that I can try with that version? I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner Okay, this is normal behavior. Essentially Linux keeps track of how many times a particular partition has been mounted and forces an fsck at boot time if the number of mounts exceeds a certain number :) The message just tells you the result of that check. Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. Alright, go into the setup menu for kppp, select one one of the accounts and click edit. Select the IP tab in the new window and ensure that the checkbox at the bottom (Auto-configure hostname from this IP) is _not_ checked. Everytime I log out I see many Gnome error messages. Hmm... So these errors are on your terminal screen when you close the X session? If this is the case, they may be errors generated by applications used within GNOME. One way to test this is to open a teminal and run the applications from there. It is apparent that *something* is not quite right :/ You said GNOME always starts with two windows open. Assuming that you want these two windows open everytime you start GNOME, try closing all windows, repoen those two and logout checking the save current setup box. This *may* remove any extraneous entries from your ~/.gnome/session file.
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
John, Thanks for the reply. I'm leaning toward a combination problem: me and ? I don't think I expect too much from Linux. This is like any other new-to-me OS. I'm working my way thru conflicts and learning from the seat of my pants. I do feel however, I should be able to connect to the internet, use email and have some type of stable desktop without locking up or crashing everytime I start X. I do not want to point a finger I only want to correct the problems or understand the methodology if it isn't a *problem* that I encounter. I did uncheck the autoconfigure host box as suggested. To answer your question I haven't been able to get back online to update any versions of Gnome or Gimp. I think you're right about the CRT and Xconfigurator. My current monitor configuration seems to be ok. I hope Linux never drops to the level of micro-sloth. The only reason to have Mdk is so I can install a system that suits me and not a billion other users. I love Mandrake..warts and all.. but the process of elimination sure is frustrating. Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 03:28 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, you wrote: I seem to have a conflict that causes Mdk to perform poorly. No version I've tried to date runs well. This includes 6.0, boxed 6.1 PowerPack-which wouldn't install the first disk, and 7.0-2. Needless to say I am as frustrated as the kind folks who are privately trying to help me. Did you try making sure you have the updated initscripts? That's caused some problems in the past. Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. I see many warnings and error messages about the screensaver Atlantis in Gnome. The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Gnome help file warning error "NULL" I don't know how you connect to the 'Net, but KPPP has a little check box in the setup, under "IP" which has "autoconfigure hostname from this IP." IF this is checked in KPPP, you'll get the problems you've described with programs refusing to open when you're on-line. Not sure EXACTLY why this happens, but I know it's generally caused because you've changed the name of your box and now your X server can't connect The monitor was never been correctly identified but once configured does not seem to cause any problems. I generally don't bother with the auto-configured X settings. IMNSHO, the auto-setup isn't "ready for primetime" when it comes to setting up X. Maybe it's just that I like to mix and match hardware, but I've found that I generally have to use one of the X configuration utils to set up my X. What is the answer and is there a solution? Do I have a timing or hardware conflict or a combination? Probably a combination of the two. Or, maybe you're expecting a bit too much from Linux. After all, it's not quite at the same level of hardware detection and setup as Windows 9x is. John
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Hi John, Ok..your explanation may resolve some problems. I suspected some kind of scaning was going on. Unfotunately, I can't run linux 24/7 until I move from W9x completely. Generally I am in Linux a couple of times a day. One of the things I was taught in Winblows is... if I have lockups and errors to reboot because in theory it resets the registry. Yes, I know Linux doesn't have a registry, but what I don't know is.. if Linux needs to be rebooted because of errors? Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 04:06 PM 6/25/00 -0400, you wrote: On Sat, 24 Jun 2000, you wrote: I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner This is normal behavior, unless it does it EVERY time. Think of it as an automatic SCANDISK at bootup. It will do a QUICK check of the filesystem every time it boots, and a more thorough check after every few boots, which is one good reason NOT to reboot frequently, if you can help it, and to leave the system on 24/7, if it's an option. Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. Basically, do NOT check the box that says "autoconfigure hostname from this IP." If you do, you're changing your machine name, which means that X programs will no longer be able to start. I'm afraid I can't help with Gnome problems, as I don't use Gnome. John
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, you wrote: Anton, First, many thanks. The auto configure host name box was checked! I unchecked it. Well, that oughta take care of the problem of not being able to open programs. :-) Good luck with the rest! John
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
On Sun, 25 Jun 2000, you wrote: Generally I am in Linux a couple of times a day. One of the things I was taught in Winblows is... if I have lockups and errors to reboot because in theory it resets the registry. Yes, I know Linux doesn't have a registry, but what I don't know is.. if Linux needs to be rebooted because of errors? It depends on what's erroring. :-) You MIGHT try booting to console mode and learn the "guts" of Linux first. Many of the graphical programs you're using are just "graphical front-ends" to console based programs. If you learn how to make the console programs work, you should be able to get the GUI programs to work. :-) For example, you can use ppp-on to go on-line and retrieve updated packages. Sure there's more to configure and it's not all in one nice neat package like KPPP, but it'll get you on-line. :-) OTOH, we seem to have resolved THAT problem for now... ;-) John
[expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
I seem to have a conflict that causes Mdk to perform poorly. No version I've tried to date runs well. This includes 6.0, boxed 6.1 PowerPack-which wouldn't install the first disk, and 7.0-2. Needless to say I am as frustrated as the kind folks who are privately trying to help me. Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. I see many warnings and error messages about the screensaver Atlantis in Gnome. The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Gnome help file warning error "NULL" The monitor was never been correctly identified but once configured does not seem to cause any problems. Hardware: Tyan S1590s/VIA chipset AT motherboard; K2-500 CPU; 160 P-100 RAM. 2-Western Digital Caviar drives; 1-Seagate harddrive. All 5400 spin speed. Hi-Val CD-ROM; generic floppy. Sound Blaster AWE16. Aopen S3Virge PCI or Diamond S3Trio AGP. PCI in use currently. Digiview HR 70+ 17" multisync capable. Deere brand 250watt AT power supply. Setup: hda1: 3.2GB WD /boot(LILO)19MG Winblows 98 (bad block in G partition. hdb1: 8.4 WD /swap Mdk hdb3: .850 Seagate Winblows Distro: Mdk7.0-2. Monitor 800x600 and 100dpi font Installed: Openssh, Openssl mdk-rpm Window Manager: Gnome / Enlightenment. What is the answer and is there a solution? Do I have a timing or hardware conflict or a combination? Thanks for the help, Pj [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. Which application? The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. This *sounds* like the problem that crops up when kppp (or any other dialer) is configured to reset your host name upon connect. After that, X programs no longer have permission to start on your machine. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Is that question mark what is displayed or ? 0.1% non contiguous is just an informative message and can be ignored. Gnome help file warning error "NULL" Umm... When do you see this? What actions lead up to it? -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered!
Re: [expert] 7.0-2 Hardware conflict
Anton, Ok, I need to clarify myself a little: Font server crashes in GIMP everytime I try to select a font. I can click and preview the first four fonts in the list without problem. Click and preview number five locks the program and creates the error mesage. I am not completely familiar with the boot process. I see a comment that X number of blocks were cleaned..followed by a statement that /dev/hdb1 reached maximal mount count, check forced..I watch the percent process. It finishes with the statement that .01% is non contiguous. The login finishes in a normal manner Kppp is configured for server assigned addresses. I have two ISP's. I've never had the *reset* problem before, if this is a *normal function* that is all I need to know. I don't know what precipitates the Gnome errors. I get the same error even if I do nothing more than play solitaire and log out. [Gnome always starts with two windows open.] Everytime I log out I see many Gnome error messages. Here is a small sample: rm: Cannot remove '/home/ibi/.gnome //gmc-0L6CF2': No such file or directory. Gnome VT-warning **: Could not open help topic file NULL. Warning: gnome_is_image_filename called, you should use gnome mime instead. BTW, I don't think the AMD CPU is the problem. I am quite unsure about the motherboard though. I don't know that I've ever seen the TYAN S1590s mentioned in this list. In fact I don't recall any Tyan/VIA chip being mentioned here. Thanks to our list for your continuing support, Pj At 02:34 PM 6/24/00 -0700, you wrote: Submitted 24-Jun-00 by Pj: Symptoms: The fontserver crashes in Gnome when I try to select a font from the pull down menu. Which application? The GUI Netscape and Xterm will not open once an internet connection has been established. This *sounds* like the problem that crops up when kppp (or any other dialer) is configured to reset your host name upon connect. After that, X programs no longer have permission to start on your machine. During boot ? is force checked. 0.1% is "non contiguous." Is that question mark what is displayed or ? 0.1% non contiguous is just an informative message and can be ignored. Gnome help file warning error "NULL" Umm... When do you see this? What actions lead up to it? -- _ _|_|_ ( ) *Anton Graham /v\ / [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )X (m_m) GPG ID: 18F78541 Penguin Powered!
