Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:26 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 20:15, Ken Thompson wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Yeah, I'd about come to that conclusion too. It does seem kinda strange that ymessy works OK on SuSE 8.2, though.. Tried it out and came right back home G.. If I was smart enough to find what SuSE did (or didn't) do I'd try making the changes and see if it would work on MDK. Mandrake kernel: 2.4.21-0.13mdk SuSE kernel: 2.4.20-4GB Both running Xfree 4.3x It's gotten to be kind of a challenge no to find out why if I can... I think it has something to do with the attempts MDK is making at anti-aliased founts. Not sure. Very possible, I see there is a directory under /usr/X11R6 for mandrakefont (or some such), may have a look in there and see what I see. On the other hand, Slacware and Knoppix will show the correct font until the Xserver is restarted then the fonts get tiny again, sometimes running fc-cache will make it show the fonts correctly again, might be a clue.. It doesn't seem to have any affect in MDK. -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
Run strace ymessenger and you will see a large amount of files that are not found, or dirs even. Some are X files. Brian D. Klar - CVE Multimax Network Engineer WPAFB -Original Message- From: Ken Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:26 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 20:15, Ken Thompson wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Yeah, I'd about come to that conclusion too. It does seem kinda strange that ymessy works OK on SuSE 8.2, though.. Tried it out and came right back home G.. If I was smart enough to find what SuSE did (or didn't) do I'd try making the changes and see if it would work on MDK. Mandrake kernel: 2.4.21-0.13mdk SuSE kernel: 2.4.20-4GB Both running Xfree 4.3x It's gotten to be kind of a challenge no to find out why if I can... I think it has something to do with the attempts MDK is making at anti-aliased founts. Not sure. Very possible, I see there is a directory under /usr/X11R6 for mandrakefont (or some such), may have a look in there and see what I see. On the other hand, Slacware and Knoppix will show the correct font until the Xserver is restarted then the fonts get tiny again, sometimes running fc-cache will make it show the fonts correctly again, might be a clue.. It doesn't seem to have any affect in MDK. -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Wed, 2003-07-23 at 09:46, Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN wrote: Run strace ymessenger and you will see a large amount of files that are not found, or dirs even. Some are X files. Brian D. Klar - CVE Multimax Network Engineer WPAFB Dang you are right. Never really cared since kyim aytm and gaim worked. Seems that having been built on on older version names have change more than you'd think. James -Original Message- From: Ken Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts On Tuesday 22 July 2003 11:26 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 20:15, Ken Thompson wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Yeah, I'd about come to that conclusion too. It does seem kinda strange that ymessy works OK on SuSE 8.2, though.. Tried it out and came right back home G.. If I was smart enough to find what SuSE did (or didn't) do I'd try making the changes and see if it would work on MDK. Mandrake kernel: 2.4.21-0.13mdk SuSE kernel: 2.4.20-4GB Both running Xfree 4.3x It's gotten to be kind of a challenge no to find out why if I can... I think it has something to do with the attempts MDK is making at anti-aliased founts. Not sure. Very possible, I see there is a directory under /usr/X11R6 for mandrakefont (or some such), may have a look in there and see what I see. On the other hand, Slacware and Knoppix will show the correct font until the Xserver is restarted then the fonts get tiny again, sometimes running fc-cache will make it show the fonts correctly again, might be a clue.. It doesn't seem to have any affect in MDK. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 19:08, Ken Thompson wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 05:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 11:10, Ken Thompson wrote: I just upgraded to gaim 0.66 (thanks James) and am still having the same trouble with the font configuration, can't change size, color or face in pref's and make it take. I make the changes and close the window, restart gaim (just because G) and there are no changes made. Looking in pref's shows the changes I had made, they just don't make it into the IM window. The font stays Black, Sans, Size 10 no matter what I do. I removed the ~.gaim, urpme'd the older version of gaim, init 1 - init 5 and urpmi'd gaim 0.66. Any other config files I need to remove/edit or whatever Total pull from my rear end here. But Have you tried changing the universal setting in gnome-control-center? Could be that it's helping you be changing your changes James I changed evrything in Gnome - Fonts that even remotly looked like it would help, still no change ... Bummer The problem is... is that I can't duplicate what you are seeing. One question would be are you using galaxay or some other universal theme? I'm not. Perhaps this is what is messing with your head. Quite honestly.. when I change settings they stay changed... Nothing happens, but whatever I put in stays that way. (kind of a exercise in futility.) Never noticed this because I didn't make any changes before. hm. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:51 am, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 19:08, Ken Thompson wrote: On Monday 21 July 2003 05:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 11:10, Ken Thompson wrote: I just upgraded to gaim 0.66 (thanks James) and am still having the same trouble with the font configuration, can't change size, color or face in pref's and make it take. I make the changes and close the window, restart gaim (just because G) and there are no changes made. Looking in pref's shows the changes I had made, they just don't make it into the IM window. The font stays Black, Sans, Size 10 no matter what I do. I removed the ~.gaim, urpme'd the older version of gaim, init 1 - init 5 and urpmi'd gaim 0.66. Any other config files I need to remove/edit or whatever Total pull from my rear end here. But Have you tried changing the universal setting in gnome-control-center? Could be that it's helping you be changing your changes James I changed evrything in Gnome - Fonts that even remotly looked like it would help, still no change ... Bummer The problem is... is that I can't duplicate what you are seeing. One question would be are you using galaxay or some other universal theme? I'm not. Perhaps this is what is messing with your head. Quite honestly.. when I change settings they stay changed... Nothing happens, but whatever I put in stays that way. (kind of a exercise in futility.) Never noticed this because I didn't make any changes before. hm. James Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
I have installed gaim, then yesterday install .66. All is fine and well here. Fonts included. Mdk9.1 stock install (mostly) Brian D. Klar - CVE Multimax Network Engineer WPAFB -Original Message- From: James Sparenberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2003 2:17 PM To: Expert List Subject: Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Yeah, I'd about come to that conclusion too. It does seem kinda strange that ymessy works OK on SuSE 8.2, though.. Tried it out and came right back home G.. If I was smart enough to find what SuSE did (or didn't) do I'd try making the changes and see if it would work on MDK. Mandrake kernel: 2.4.21-0.13mdk SuSE kernel: 2.4.20-4GB Both running Xfree 4.3x It's gotten to be kind of a challenge no to find out why if I can... -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Tue, 2003-07-22 at 20:15, Ken Thompson wrote: On Tuesday 22 July 2003 12:17 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: Regarding changes in gaim, yes the changes stay as I have set them but to no effect, nothing is changed in the message window, either incoming nor outgoing. Just using the out of the box theme for 9.1 (Keramik, I think).. Another thing that may be related, I'm using the Yahoo Messenger protocol and am also having font problems with ymessenger under 9.1. In fact, that is why I changed to gaim in the first place, the fonts in ymessenger are extremely tiny - totally unreadable and no change can be made to them either. SuSE 8.2 treats Ymessenger the same as Mandrake 9.0 did, it works as advertised. Haven't tried latest gaim on SuSE yet, might be interesting G Strangely enough, ymessenger worked just fine in the first couple of 9.1 betas, XFree 4.2.99, but went totally bonkers after the change to 4.3.x.. There has to be some place that controls the font rendering in these two applications aside from all the rest. The rest of the system is perfectly OK. No font issues at all with any other app's just these two... As for the out of the box theme. It's galaxy. And now I see that we do notice the same things. As for ymessenger. It was built for MDK 8.0. This alone should explain why it doesn't work at all on 9.1. On the other... Seems to be a yahoo thing. James Yeah, I'd about come to that conclusion too. It does seem kinda strange that ymessy works OK on SuSE 8.2, though.. Tried it out and came right back home G.. If I was smart enough to find what SuSE did (or didn't) do I'd try making the changes and see if it would work on MDK. Mandrake kernel: 2.4.21-0.13mdk SuSE kernel: 2.4.20-4GB Both running Xfree 4.3x It's gotten to be kind of a challenge no to find out why if I can... I think it has something to do with the attempts MDK is making at anti-aliased founts. Not sure. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
I just upgraded to gaim 0.66 (thanks James) and am still having the same trouble with the font configuration, can't change size, color or face in pref's and make it take. I make the changes and close the window, restart gaim (just because G) and there are no changes made. Looking in pref's shows the changes I had made, they just don't make it into the IM window. The font stays Black, Sans, Size 10 no matter what I do. I removed the ~.gaim, urpme'd the older version of gaim, init 1 - init 5 and urpmi'd gaim 0.66. Any other config files I need to remove/edit or whatever -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 11:10, Ken Thompson wrote: I just upgraded to gaim 0.66 (thanks James) and am still having the same trouble with the font configuration, can't change size, color or face in pref's and make it take. I make the changes and close the window, restart gaim (just because G) and there are no changes made. Looking in pref's shows the changes I had made, they just don't make it into the IM window. The font stays Black, Sans, Size 10 no matter what I do. I removed the ~.gaim, urpme'd the older version of gaim, init 1 - init 5 and urpmi'd gaim 0.66. Any other config files I need to remove/edit or whatever Total pull from my rear end here. But Have you tried changing the universal setting in gnome-control-center? Could be that it's helping you be changing your changes James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Monday 21 July 2003 05:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 11:10, Ken Thompson wrote: I just upgraded to gaim 0.66 (thanks James) and am still having the same trouble with the font configuration, can't change size, color or face in pref's and make it take. I make the changes and close the window, restart gaim (just because G) and there are no changes made. Looking in pref's shows the changes I had made, they just don't make it into the IM window. The font stays Black, Sans, Size 10 no matter what I do. I removed the ~.gaim, urpme'd the older version of gaim, init 1 - init 5 and urpmi'd gaim 0.66. Any other config files I need to remove/edit or whatever Total pull from my rear end here. But Have you tried changing the universal setting in gnome-control-center? Could be that it's helping you be changing your changes James No, I don't use gnome so I never even thought about it.. I'll give it a try and get back to you. -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Gaim 066 Fonts
On Monday 21 July 2003 05:49 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-07-21 at 11:10, Ken Thompson wrote: I just upgraded to gaim 0.66 (thanks James) and am still having the same trouble with the font configuration, can't change size, color or face in pref's and make it take. I make the changes and close the window, restart gaim (just because G) and there are no changes made. Looking in pref's shows the changes I had made, they just don't make it into the IM window. The font stays Black, Sans, Size 10 no matter what I do. I removed the ~.gaim, urpme'd the older version of gaim, init 1 - init 5 and urpmi'd gaim 0.66. Any other config files I need to remove/edit or whatever Total pull from my rear end here. But Have you tried changing the universal setting in gnome-control-center? Could be that it's helping you be changing your changes James I changed evrything in Gnome - Fonts that even remotly looked like it would help, still no change ... -- Ken Thompson - WA7SYR Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
