Re: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
Well spoken Kevin. I agree. I asked for URPMI information after the 9.0 book was released. I don't see much difference in the two books except for the pages not falling out. Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
KevinO wrote:
I must first state that I do appreciate the efforts of Vincent and all of the
others that worked on and contributed to this book. I am also pleased to see
that this book has been released under the GNU Free Documentation License.
But...
I just got my copy today and I am disappointed.
I just read the TOC of that book when it was published on the MDK site
and gave up on it at once. It was obvious that the thing was useless for
an advanced user.
This doesn't mean the book per se is useless though, however it's title
is misleading. It should be "an introduction to Mandrake" or something
like that.
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Re: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I must first state that I do appreciate the efforts of Vincent and all of the others that worked on and contributed to this book. I am also pleased to see that this book has been released under the GNU Free Documentation License. But... I just got my copy today and I am disappointed. If you are looking for a book to cover all of the specifics of Mandrake -- look elsewhere. If you want to learn about msec -- look elsewhere. (Two short pages showing GUI configuration using draksec, 11 pages on 'Instant messaging and IRC') The index is almost completely useless, 6 pages. If you ignore the inadequate use of ink (especially when looking at the images/screenshots), this book would be a decent deal at $10 to $20, but not a great deal. At least none of the pages have starting falling out. In all fairness, this wouldn't be a bad book for a beginner to Linux systems in general. A little pricey though... I already have tons of books covering bash, editors, and Linux in general. All of these books cover Linux in a general, distribution neutral way. I was looking for something else, something I could use. There exists a need for a book to show the internals specifically on a Mandrake system. Something that fully documents the advanced features that are found on a Mandrake system but not others. Mandrake is a unique distribution and the developers have made lots of decisions and changes in many areas of the operating system, many for the better. I would love to have a copy of documentation showing these things -- something that would save me some time when I am trying to figure out what's wrong in some package or system that has been 'modified' Mandrake style. I didn't need a 500 page paperback to hold my hand while using the gui tools... Urpmi does not appear in either the index nor the table of contents. Give me a fscking break! - -- KevinO "If truth is beauty, how come no one has their hair done in the library?" - -- Lily Tomlin -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQE/PJXYWOfRC7Rnmv8RAlQFAJ4kJd6K7yMZGUKwhGBgowtSSCPPFACfTyhY xNOzN3wDxx+3NykDW/A7c/o= =MEgj -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
On Monday 11 August 2003 12:36 pm, stefmit wrote: > Hopefully one day someone will write something worth O'Reilly publishing, > as an MDK-specific reference book. Until then - long live the printouts > from the web pages or from MDK email list archives, as "handy" references. > Do not waste one penny on "The Definitive Manual" ... > > Stef Stef, consider yourself lucky - at least you got it. I ordered the 9.0 version and never got it. I contacted Mandrake about it: mdkstore-cseu: 05:05 03:13 : Reply received Dear Customer, Please accept our apologies for the inconvenience. Your parcel should has been lost by the post. Do not worried, I will sent your parcel today in priority mode. Again, I am so sorry about your order. Best regards, Marie == [EMAIL PROTECTED] : 01:05 07:29 : Incident created I ordered the v9.0 big book of everything some months ago, debited to my card and I've never received it. Any ideas why? Ronald J. Hall 464 Conley Fork Road Prestonsburg, KY 41653 6068863389 Thanks much! *but* I still never got it. :-( -- /\ Dark>Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
Just to let everyone hear the other side: I placed an order with the MandrakeStore and then changed my mind and wanted to change the order. I sent an email using the address on the store page. They got back to me and worked hard to resolve my problem and make it right with me. I too was a little disappointed in the book for my purposes but figured it was for a good cause. I was really wanting something a little more advanced but I read it anyway and found it more helpful than it looked at first. Now I want to see the Advanced Definitive Guide. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Phil G. Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 5:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:36:51 -0500, stefmit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They removed the sections on servers, networking, and security too. By definition that makes it less-than-definitive, doesn't? ;-) Nevertheless I've found it useful. Phil > To Whom It May Concern > > In a "dual" attempt to both obtain what I thought of being advertised as > a good reference book for MDK specifics, and to support the MDK > developers (as I do by buying their packages) - I have ordered and > recently received the MDK "Definitive Manual". Do NOT think of spending > $39 (!!) + $11 S&H on this! The quality of the book is horrible (it > started falling apart after a few pages flipped), the whole book is > totally unprofessionally made, and the content is for retarded DOS users: > a "definitive manual" missing fundamental things such as urpm* (CLI) > usage (not even for beginning stuff, let alone more advanced features) > makes the worse book purchase I have ever made (and I buy a lot of books) > . > > Hopefully one day someone will write something worth O'Reilly publishing, > as an MDK-specific reference book. Until then - long live the printouts > from the web pages or from MDK email list archives, as "handy" > references. Do not waste one penny on "The Definitive Manual" ... > > Stef > > -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 www.mandrakesoft.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
On Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:36:51 -0500, stefmit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They removed the sections on servers, networking, and security too. By definition that makes it less-than-definitive, doesn't? ;-) Nevertheless I've found it useful. Phil To Whom It May Concern In a "dual" attempt to both obtain what I thought of being advertised as a good reference book for MDK specifics, and to support the MDK developers (as I do by buying their packages) - I have ordered and recently received the MDK "Definitive Manual". Do NOT think of spending $39 (!!) + $11 S&H on this! The quality of the book is horrible (it started falling apart after a few pages flipped), the whole book is totally unprofessionally made, and the content is for retarded DOS users: a "definitive manual" missing fundamental things such as urpm* (CLI) usage (not even for beginning stuff, let alone more advanced features) makes the worse book purchase I have ever made (and I buy a lot of books) . Hopefully one day someone will write something worth O'Reilly publishing, as an MDK-specific reference book. Until then - long live the printouts from the web pages or from MDK email list archives, as "handy" references. Do not waste one penny on "The Definitive Manual" ... Stef -- Using Mandrake Linux 9.1 www.mandrakesoft.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MDK Book - rant ;( - and FYI
To Whom It May Concern In a "dual" attempt to both obtain what I thought of being advertised as a good reference book for MDK specifics, and to support the MDK developers (as I do by buying their packages) - I have ordered and recently received the MDK "Definitive Manual". Do NOT think of spending $39 (!!) + $11 S&H on this! The quality of the book is horrible (it started falling apart after a few pages flipped), the whole book is totally unprofessionally made, and the content is for retarded DOS users: a "definitive manual" missing fundamental things such as urpm* (CLI) usage (not even for beginning stuff, let alone more advanced features) makes the worse book purchase I have ever made (and I buy a lot of books). Hopefully one day someone will write something worth O'Reilly publishing, as an MDK-specific reference book. Until then - long live the printouts from the web pages or from MDK email list archives, as "handy" references. Do not waste one penny on "The Definitive Manual" ... Stef Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
