Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 19:33, Dave Laird wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Good evening, all... > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 04:38 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > > > Yes but gentlemen at age 47 I've learned that there is nothing I can do > > to STOP my mother from trying to help me. I'm just glad she's around to > > get in my way. ;) > > You forgot to mention she is fluent in Perl, Java, Assembler (remember THAT?), > C and C++ and can code while doing the laundry. 8-) She doesn't do Perl Java C or C++ She's strictly old school, 8088 Assembler, Algol, Cobol, Fortran (What) IV, and a bit of QBasic. *grin* James > > Dave > - -- > Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project > Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 > Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. > > An automatic & random thought For the Minute: > Finality is death. > Perfection is finality. > Nothing is perfect. > There are lumps in it. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQE+N0twaE1ENZP1A28RAh2/AJ4wZr/IOyRQm1Tqmpy57FxYqiyYuQCglYYP > cjlTiPulyrXVImokwaoMOSw= > =hTdx > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good evening, all... On Tuesday 28 January 2003 04:38 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: > Yes but gentlemen at age 47 I've learned that there is nothing I can do > to STOP my mother from trying to help me. I'm just glad she's around to > get in my way. ;) You forgot to mention she is fluent in Perl, Java, Assembler (remember THAT?), C and C++ and can code while doing the laundry. 8-) Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic & random thought For the Minute: Finality is death. Perfection is finality. Nothing is perfect. There are lumps in it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+N0twaE1ENZP1A28RAh2/AJ4wZr/IOyRQm1Tqmpy57FxYqiyYuQCglYYP cjlTiPulyrXVImokwaoMOSw= =hTdx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 09:21, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 11:13, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 10:58 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:23 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 05:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > > > If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above > > > > > ask your parents or an adult to help you. > > > > > > > > At age 57, do I truly want to inflict the visual image of my mother > > > > trying to assist me on everyone? > > > > > > So we are same age (see http://www.wolf-b.de/pers/pers1.html). My sig > > > was meant for the occasional kid jumping into such mailinglists and/or > > > newsgroups without any clue what he/she is doing. Or people who seem > > > to be kids according to their posting style and/or behaviour. > > > > > > wobo > > > > > > > Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. > > > > > > It's all a matter of proper clothing! > > > > > > wobo > > > > Kiddies: > > 57? Big deal. Hell, I've got neckties older than that. > > -- cmg Always the king of fashion *grin* > > > LAFF!! > > LX > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 07:58, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:23 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: > > > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 05:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > > > If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above > > > ask your parents or an adult to help you. > > > > At age 57, do I truly want to inflict the visual image of my mother trying to > > assist me on everyone? > > So we are same age (see http://www.wolf-b.de/pers/pers1.html). My sig > was meant for the occasional kid jumping into such mailinglists and/or > newsgroups without any clue what he/she is doing. Or people who seem > to be kids according to their posting style and/or behaviour. Yes but gentlemen at age 47 I've learned that there is nothing I can do to STOP my mother from trying to help me. I'm just glad she's around to get in my way. ;) James > > wobo > > > Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. > > It's all a matter of proper clothing! > > wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
Actually I'm not worried about RH Unless the introduce new ones by the end of the year they won't have any consumer products they support. (I'm sure there will be new ones but it is an intresting attempt to shoot themselves in the mid region.) https://www.redhat.com/apps/support/errata/ I really mention this because although a known life cycle for releases is a viable and intelligent concept. 1 year is WAY to short after all Win98 did have an 8 year life. (Some like ME much shorter but it was a market death more than a corporate kneecap.) Please MDK if you do decided to limit the number of products you support, make the life cycle a bit more realistic. James On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 06:42, Damian Gatabria wrote: > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 17:13, Jim C wrote: > > Uh... FUD? > > What's FUD? > > > > > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD > > > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html > > > Damian > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
An M$ creation Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 09:13, Jim C wrote: > Uh... FUD? > What's FUD? > > > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD > > > > > __ > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? > Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 11:00 +1100, Ron Stodden wrote: > civileme wrote: > > >It is unprofessional to use FUD. The biggest users ever were the old > >bloated IBM (yeah the company nearly knocked out of business for its > >arrogance) and even bigger, Microsoft. > > When someone else announced a product, MS would immediately announce > their own implementation with a shorter delivery date. All vaporware, > of course. When I read FUD there is always one of the biggies around: IBM, M$, Red Hat (reported to me by a customer), and IIRC there was some of that coming from Intel as soon as they realized AMD's 486 gnawing at their heels. So one could guess there is a dependency between the size of a company and the amount of FUD they hand to you, right? wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
civileme wrote: It is unprofessional to use FUD. The biggest users ever were the old bloated IBM (yeah the company nearly knocked out of business for its arrogance) and even bigger, Microsoft. When someone else announced a product, MS would immediately announce their own implementation with a shorter delivery date. All vaporware, of course. This they did time and time again, and if the product slipped, MS would slip too, but still just before the other's release. In this way they repeatedly stole other people's product prospects and sometimes even drove them out of business (eg Netscape) by using FUD as a competition weapon. And still vaporware years later. -- Ron. [Melbourne, Australia] 20030119 Get Fastest Mandrake downloader (English-only), Penguin Liberation Front (plf) downloads not available, from: http://members.optusnet.com.au/ronst/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 08:13 am, Jim C wrote: > Uh... FUD? > What's FUD? > > > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD FUD is Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt, which is a sales technique used by people with inferior products. "Yeah, they're good, but who knows if they will be around to support you?" It is unprofessional to use FUD. The biggest users ever were the old bloated IBM (yeah the company nearly knocked out of business for its arrogance) and even bigger, Microsoft. RH is a valid linux distro and has considerable server markets, and they suffer from some problems as well (everyone has them). Their lists are unfriendly; their organization is inefficient, and they have NO systems on the Netcraft top 50 uptime list (The only two linux systems listed there are Mandrakesoft Advanced Extranet Servers). I have not seen RH using FUD, but then I haven't been paying them much attention. SuSE has used FUD against Mandrakesoft repeatedly, even to the point of timing their layoffs to the SAME day that Mandrakesoft announced its IPO. Of course SuSE has deep pockets behind it, or at least it did when it needed $45 million to stay in business (Intel and IBM). Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
Good post, Wobo! :) On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 08:11, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > As Deno states in his article "The Show goes on" on the MandrakeClub > site MandrakeSoft's plans were approved by the appointed judge dealing > with MandrakeSoft's Chapter-11 filing. > > MandrakeSoft got 6 months time to get their thing together and prove > their business plans working. > > At MandrakeSoft all is back to business now, the development of 9.1 is > going on and we, the user community are back at our task: > > Support MandrakeSoft, each in his own way and limits! > Support with money (the Club, donations, ordering boxed sets, etc.). > Support by helping new users to experience the benefits of MDK. > Support by contributing to the distro. > Support by advertising and advocating Mandrake Linux. > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD > > And wear your Mandrake Linux Cap (t-shirt, bumper sticker, etc.) > today! > > wobo LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 09:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jim C wrote: > > > Uh... FUD? > > What's FUD? > > Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. It's a Microsoft marketing tactic. > > http://vyruss.cjb.net/computing/FUD_essay.html > > > > > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD > > Sure they use it, but this acronym is as old as the American computing industry (research IBM vs. Amdahl) and the tactic is probably as old as market capitalism. Don't buy Oog's mammoth meat, he just finds the ones that died of old age and butchers those :-) -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 17:13, Jim C wrote: > Uh... FUD? > What's FUD? > > > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/9267/fuddef.html Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, 28 Jan 2003, Jim C wrote: > Uh... FUD? > What's FUD? Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. It's a Microsoft marketing tactic. http://vyruss.cjb.net/computing/FUD_essay.html > > > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD > > > > Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, 2003-01-28 at 11:13, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 10:58 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:23 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: > > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 05:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > > If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above > > > > ask your parents or an adult to help you. > > > > > > At age 57, do I truly want to inflict the visual image of my mother > > > trying to assist me on everyone? > > > > So we are same age (see http://www.wolf-b.de/pers/pers1.html). My sig > > was meant for the occasional kid jumping into such mailinglists and/or > > newsgroups without any clue what he/she is doing. Or people who seem > > to be kids according to their posting style and/or behaviour. > > > > wobo > > > > > Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. > > > > It's all a matter of proper clothing! > > > > wobo > > Kiddies: > 57? Big deal. Hell, I've got neckties older than that. > -- cmg LAFF!! LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
Uh... FUD? What's FUD? Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tuesday January 28 2003 10:31 am, Dave Laird wrote: > So, how soon before KDE 3.1 shows up on the mirrors? Does anyone > know? > > Dave It's on cooker mirrors now. My first few updates this mornin (kdebase*, kdelibs*) broke konqueror. I've fixed it for now by --forcing their rc6 counterparts from my beta2 CD's back in. ..and posted my experience to the cooker list. I reckon somebody'll make 9.0 rpms from the 9.1 ones fairly soon, but unless my experience is atypical, it'd probly be better if they waited till their tested some more. Today's 3.1 final rpms are only patch level -1mdk. Heck, Laurent usually gets 'em up to patch level -50 somethin before he's happy with 'em ;) -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 08:18 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: > However, I > am impressed that I'm not the only 50+ person hanging around Mandrake these > days, as that, too, is a sign that bodes well for the future of Mandrake. We > get to teach our *grandkids* about the value of open source, thus breaking > the world-wide domination of Microsoft in the next generation. There are a lot of old'n'bald (using the nickname of a very active user in a.o.l.m.) people in the Linux community. Just take into account that the former *nix veterans are coming to age by now. Although I wasn't yet 50 when I started with Linux but I was over 50 when I discovered Mandrake Linux version 5.3 and now there is no end in sight. wobo -- "Experience is nothing! You can do wrong for 35 years." (Kurt Tucholsky, translated to the best of my knowledge) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 11:13 -0500, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > Kiddies: > 57? Big deal. Hell, I've got neckties older than that. > -- cmg You know that people older than 57 tend to return to their childtime habits? ;-) wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Carroll... On Tuesday 28 January 2003 08:13 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > Kiddies: > 57? Big deal. Hell, I've got neckties older than that. Ah, but I still have some minor advantages: 1. I don't have the remnants of last week's dinner on my middle because I automatically dispose of any leftovers. 2. I am most clearly *not* just another pretty thing hanging around. In fact, if one might think I was pretty, I can recommend a number of good optometrists to visit. So, how soon before KDE 3.1 shows up on the mirrors? Does anyone know? Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic & random thought For the Minute: Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NrBhaE1ENZP1A28RAr2JAJ9I8JABvFMYrtqJgkypsYvwjCwfpwCeL7Yb Aqj0LktkwZNU6sVGO9/ULGQ= =JydC -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Guten morgan, mein freundt... (That's about the limit of my German, although my wife reads and speaks quite a bit of it from being raised speaking German as a second language.) On Tuesday 28 January 2003 07:58 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > So we are same age (see http://www.wolf-b.de/pers/pers1.html). My sig > was meant for the occasional kid jumping into such mailinglists and/or > newsgroups without any clue what he/she is doing. Or people who seem > to be kids according to their posting style and/or behaviour. That would work rather nicely for usenet news, wouldn't it? Of course, given the current mindset of many people along usenet way, I don't know if they would necessarily understand the underlying subtlety. However, I am impressed that I'm not the only 50+ person hanging around Mandrake these days, as that, too, is a sign that bodes well for the future of Mandrake. We get to teach our *grandkids* about the value of open source, thus breaking the world-wide domination of Microsoft in the next generation. > > Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. > > It's all a matter of proper clothing! Oh, that. That's the fortune which runs under cron and thus updates my .signature file. The only *bad* part about it is you never know what you'll get as a fortune. Over the years, I've added to and deleted some of the fortunes to taste, but there are still occasions when my signature file is better than the messages themselves. 8) Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic & random thought For the Minute: I put up my thumb... and it blotted out the planet Earth. -- Neil Armstrong -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Nq1AaE1ENZP1A28RArKAAKCPoXej7tn9ZNxs0KWXyttMnrONUQCgnxS0 YCP8GgX8pwEikNUNCaNpWZ8= =mIs2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 10:58 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:23 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 05:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above > > > ask your parents or an adult to help you. > > > > At age 57, do I truly want to inflict the visual image of my mother > > trying to assist me on everyone? > > So we are same age (see http://www.wolf-b.de/pers/pers1.html). My sig > was meant for the occasional kid jumping into such mailinglists and/or > newsgroups without any clue what he/she is doing. Or people who seem > to be kids according to their posting style and/or behaviour. > > wobo > > > Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. > > It's all a matter of proper clothing! > > wobo Kiddies: 57? Big deal. Hell, I've got neckties older than that. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 06:23 -0800, Dave Laird wrote: > > On Tuesday 28 January 2003 05:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > > > If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above > > ask your parents or an adult to help you. > > At age 57, do I truly want to inflict the visual image of my mother trying to > assist me on everyone? So we are same age (see http://www.wolf-b.de/pers/pers1.html). My sig was meant for the occasional kid jumping into such mailinglists and/or newsgroups without any clue what he/she is doing. Or people who seem to be kids according to their posting style and/or behaviour. wobo > Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. It's all a matter of proper clothing! wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Wolfgang, everyone... On Tuesday 28 January 2003 05:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: [Announcement deleted to save space and bandwidth] That is *truly* great news! Thanks for sharing it. You forgot to put a plug in there that KDE 3.1 is beginning to appear on the Mirrors... WH! It just doesn't get much better than this! > If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above > ask your parents or an adult to help you. At age 57, do I truly want to inflict the visual image of my mother trying to assist me on everyone? Speaking for the Polident faction of Mandrake, of course. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic & random thought For the Minute: Rainy days and automatic weapons always get me down. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+NpJgaE1ENZP1A28RAtihAJ4nSKgSLvvEqNPk8shmc1s0L96/fACeI6f+ NEJ6KcHor+JXpQ1JiU7QKP8= =+B6v -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
HRayyy!! I loves good news for a change Thanks for making my day Wobo, Deno and the judge... Now I will get another years silver membership On Tuesday 28 January 2003 08:11 am, Wolfgang Bornath wrote: > As Deno states in his article "The Show goes on" on the MandrakeClub > site MandrakeSoft's plans were approved by the appointed judge dealing > with MandrakeSoft's Chapter-11 filing. > > MandrakeSoft got 6 months time to get their thing together and prove > their business plans working. > > At MandrakeSoft all is back to business now, the development of 9.1 is > going on and we, the user community are back at our task: > > Support MandrakeSoft, each in his own way and limits! > Support with money (the Club, donations, ordering boxed sets, etc.). > Support by helping new users to experience the benefits of MDK. > Support by contributing to the distro. > Support by advertising and advocating Mandrake Linux. > Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD > > And wear your Mandrake Linux Cap (t-shirt, bumper sticker, etc.) > today! > > wobo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[expert] MandrakeSoft back to daily business
As Deno states in his article "The Show goes on" on the MandrakeClub site MandrakeSoft's plans were approved by the appointed judge dealing with MandrakeSoft's Chapter-11 filing. MandrakeSoft got 6 months time to get their thing together and prove their business plans working. At MandrakeSoft all is back to business now, the development of 9.1 is going on and we, the user community are back at our task: Support MandrakeSoft, each in his own way and limits! Support with money (the Club, donations, ordering boxed sets, etc.). Support by helping new users to experience the benefits of MDK. Support by contributing to the distro. Support by advertising and advocating Mandrake Linux. Support by contradicting any Red Hat FUD And wear your Mandrake Linux Cap (t-shirt, bumper sticker, etc.) today! wobo -- If you don't understand or are scared by any of the above ask your parents or an adult to help you. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
