RE: [expert] CD Writing
On 30-Jul-2001 Felix Miata wrote: > My immediate goal is to get a bootable Mandrake 8 CD and install it in > place of 7.1 on #3. > > The only CD writing I've done so far is with the windoze software that > came with the Yamaha (Adaptec whatever), installed on the SCSI HD in the > external SCSI HD, using machine #2 & windoze. I've not yet burned from > an ISO. I'd *like* to do all current and future writing using Mandrake > Linux if possible, but not if it means an elaborate setting up in 7.1 > that will be summarily scrapped in order to replace the 7.1 installation > with 8.0. The reality is if the windoze Adaptec software can easily > create the Mandrake 8 CD from an ISO, but this is something I don't know > either. That software, like most free and cheap software, came with no > printed docs to check. > > I've browsed Linux/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO and its FTP link to various > cdrecord versions. My initial impression is this is a bear to get set up > - unless, my "easy" (default) installation of Mandrake 7.1 has already > done what I need. > > Questions: > > 1-Can it be said unequivocally that my Mandrake 7.1 is already set up & > ready to burn? Probably yes. You have to install the cdrecord rpm if this isn't already done. If it is installed do a cdrecord -scanbus. This will scan your scsi bus for your cd recorder. Remember the three numbers you get in the line of your recorder. Then you just have to do a cdrecord -v -eject speed=xx dev=a,b,c filename.iso where xx is the speed of your cdrecorder. a,b,c are the values you got from cdrecord -scanbus (a is the number of the scsi bus, b is the scsi id, and is the lun.) > > 2-If 1 is false, is there an easier way than digesting the whole of the > (not too good IMO) HOWTO to figure out what is and is not already > prepared? You want to try xcdroast (doesn't come with LM AFAIK). It's a quite good graphical frontend for cd-burning. You must have mkisofs and cdrecord installed in. > 3-Is there someplace better than the HOWTO to explain CD writing under > Linux? The actual CD-Burning is easy. I think the HOWTO is quite good altough it doesn't disdinguish between basic and advanced issues. If I want to burn a data cd on my system is just do a mkisofs -v -R -J -T -l -o filname.iso directory-with-data cdrecord -v -eject speed=xx dev=a,b,c filename.iso That's it... Or I use xcdroast. Note on burning under windoze: I think you got adaptec easy cd cdreator, which supports burning iso files. But have another name for it (i think something like CD-Image or RAW,...) Hope this helps Gregor -- E-Mail: Gregor Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 30-Jul-2001 Time: 17:14:36 --
Re: [expert] CD Writing
Yes, EasyCD creator does support iso's. I realize this is a linux question, but given the complexities you're running into To do it in Ezcd, choose file... burn image, then in the file type dropdown, select all files (default is ezcd's image format), find your ISO, and burn it. I do this all the time, and it works fine, provided your ISO is ok. I'd reccomend checking the image with md5 (dos port is available, search the web) before burning. Note, the above commands vary between versions of ezcd, but they're similar. Finally, cdrecord isn't too tough, if you've already got the drives installed, and xcdroast did come with LM7.1, and is available for 8, with a little work. Glen Sagers Rusty Carruth wrote: > Rusty Carruth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ... > > > The reality is if the windoze Adaptec software can easily > > > create the Mandrake 8 CD from an ISO, but this is something I don't know > > > either. That software, like most free and cheap software, came with no > > > printed docs to check. > > > > I'll get back to this question at the end. > > Which I never did, sorry. > > Even the crippled version that I had a while back would do images, AFAICR... > > If you still need this, let me know (offlist probably best) and I'll dig > around and see if I can find out how its done... > > rc
[Fwd: Re: [expert] CD Writing]
With the Adaptec software (assuming it is Easy CD Creator and has not been crippled), it is easy to create a bootable CD from what you've downloaded (assuming it is a bootable iso image). What you need to do is choose File -> Create CD from Disc Image. (This is the key step to make the difference between making a disk with a copy of what you've downloaded vs. making the CD into a "real" CD.) Then, when the menu comes up to let you browse for images, change the extension from whatever it defaults to (which is the Adaptec "proprietary" format) to "iso", choose the image, check your options, and burn it. I'd tell you more about this, but I can't call my CD-Creator up right now -- you want to do things like close the disk and make sure the format you choose supports a bootable disk. (I think the choices are ISO 9660 and Joliet, I think you want ISO 9660.) Hope this helps, Randy Kramer Felix Miata wrote: > The reality is if the windoze Adaptec software can easily > create the Mandrake 8 CD from an ISO, but this is something I don't know > either.
Re: [Fwd: Re: [expert] CD Writing]
have you guys tried burning cds using cdrecord? it works fine for me. i never used windows to write my cds. when copying a cd, i just dd the cd to an iso file and 'cdrecord' it. just curious if you have tried this ... --- Randy Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ATTACHMENT part TEXT message/rfc822 > Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 11:56:35 -0400 > From: Randy Kramer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [expert] CD Writing > > With the Adaptec software (assuming it is Easy CD > Creator and has not > been crippled), it is easy to create a bootable CD > from what you've > downloaded (assuming it is a bootable iso image). > > What you need to do is choose File -> Create CD from > Disc Image. (This > is the key step to make the difference between > making a disk with a copy > of what you've downloaded vs. making the CD into a > "real" CD.) > > Then, when the menu comes up to let you browse for > images, change the > extension from whatever it defaults to (which is the > Adaptec > "proprietary" format) to "iso", choose the image, > check your options, > and burn it. I'd tell you more about this, but I > can't call my > CD-Creator up right now -- you want to do things > like close the disk and > make sure the format you choose supports a bootable > disk. (I think the > choices are ISO 9660 and Joliet, I think you want > ISO 9660.) > > Hope this helps, > Randy Kramer > > Felix Miata wrote: > > The reality is if the windoze Adaptec software can > easily > > create the Mandrake 8 CD from an ISO, but this is > something I don't know > > either. > > > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the OK, I've managed to get this working, so here are my helpful hints for you: The documentation is probably stashed in /usr/doc/xcdroast on your hard disk - dig around there -- you'll proably want to read it. Here is the short version of what it says: Recompile your kernel -- You have to compile the ide-scsii emulation, generic scsii support, and scsi cdrom drivers into the kernel, not as modules. (If you work out how to do this with modules, let us know ... ) You have to compile out (that is, don't include) the ide cdrom support. If you have an ide floppy, compile that into the kernel too, or the scsii emulator will interfere with that too. Your cdrom is now /dev/sr1 or /dev/sr0, so don't forget to change the /dev/cdrom hard link. They recomend that if your hard disk is an IDE one, that you use the -u option with hdparm (check the hdparm man page and see your /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file). I still got xcdroast/cdrecord to work without using -u, but I have put the -u option in, and it seems better (I burned a cd from an image on the HDD at 4x, and installed Corel WP8 at the same time, so the IDE disk seems quite fast enough for me ...) The current xcdroast is still quite limited, especially for audio tracks, so you probably won't wipe Windows, but it's good for most jobs. Good luck, Steven
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the standard Mandrake kernel. 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: append="hdb=ide-scsi" 2)Reboot 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:25:55 + > From: Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > > OK, I've managed to get this working, so here are my helpful hints for you: > > The documentation is probably stashed in /usr/doc/xcdroast on your hard disk > - dig around there -- you'll proably want to read it. > > Here is the short version of what it says: > > Recompile your kernel -- > > You have to compile the ide-scsii emulation, generic scsii support, and scsi > cdrom drivers into the kernel, not as modules. (If you work out how to do > this with modules, let us know ... ) > > You have to compile out (that is, don't include) the ide cdrom support. If > you have an ide floppy, compile that into the kernel too, or the scsii > emulator will interfere with that too. > > Your cdrom is now /dev/sr1 or /dev/sr0, so don't forget to change the > /dev/cdrom hard link. > > They recomend that if your hard disk is an IDE one, that you use the -u > option with hdparm (check the hdparm man page and see your > /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file). I still got xcdroast/cdrecord to work without > using -u, but I have put the -u option in, and it seems better (I burned a > cd from an image on the HDD at 4x, and installed Corel WP8 at the same > time, so the IDE disk seems quite fast enough for me ...) > > The current xcdroast is still quite limited, especially for audio tracks, so > you probably won't wipe Windows, but it's good for most jobs. > > Good luck, > Steven >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
I read somewhere that the ATAPI interface will be used first. When you recompile the kernel with sg built in (require, not as a module), remove the ATAPI code. This will force the scsi emulation to be sued for the cdrom drive, not the ATAPI code. On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey all, > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > default cdrecord (1.82?) and xcdroaster from the distro. When I run 'cdrecord > -scanbus' I get the error " ". When I start up xcdroaster I get the message > that the SCSI generic module (sg) isn't loaded into the kernel. When I do an > 'insmod sg' it says it's already loaded and lsmod confirms this (it has > [autoclean ?] in the right column). By looking at the CD-Writing Mini-HOWTO the > Mandrake 2.2.9-27 kernel seems to have all required components either loadable > as modules or compiled into the kernel. Am I missing something? > > I've tried running under my id and as root and neither work. Do I need to mount > the device before it can be found? > > Any help much appreciated as this is the last thing I need to get working before > I can wipe Windoze off my hard drive...thanks! >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
There is a nicely done cd-writer howto floating around here some where, i've forgotten the URL it shouldn't be to hard to find in the archives. My guess is you forgot to modprobe ide-scsi or didn't add the append for lilo. On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > > OK, I've managed to get this working, so here are my helpful hints for you: > > The documentation is probably stashed in /usr/doc/xcdroast on your hard disk > - dig around there -- you'll proably want to read it. > > Here is the short version of what it says: > > Recompile your kernel -- > > You have to compile the ide-scsii emulation, generic scsii support, and scsi > cdrom drivers into the kernel, not as modules. (If you work out how to do > this with modules, let us know ... ) > > You have to compile out (that is, don't include) the ide cdrom support. If > you have an ide floppy, compile that into the kernel too, or the scsii > emulator will interfere with that too. > > Your cdrom is now /dev/sr1 or /dev/sr0, so don't forget to change the > /dev/cdrom hard link. > > They recomend that if your hard disk is an IDE one, that you use the -u > option with hdparm (check the hdparm man page and see your > /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file). I still got xcdroast/cdrecord to work without > using -u, but I have put the -u option in, and it seems better (I burned a > cd from an image on the HDD at 4x, and installed Corel WP8 at the same > time, so the IDE disk seems quite fast enough for me ...) > > The current xcdroast is still quite limited, especially for audio tracks, so > you probably won't wipe Windows, but it's good for most jobs. > > Good luck, > Steven >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
Please give us a little more info. What kind of cd burner do you have? In particular, is it an IDE or SCSI? If is IDE you will have to recompile the kernel with support for IDE/SCSI host emulation. On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey all, > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > default cdrecord (1.82?) and xcdroaster from the distro. When I run 'cdrecord > -scanbus' I get the error " ". When I start up xcdroaster I get the message > that the SCSI generic module (sg) isn't loaded into the kernel. When I do an > 'insmod sg' it says it's already loaded and lsmod confirms this (it has > [autoclean ?] in the right column). By looking at the CD-Writing Mini-HOWTO the > Mandrake 2.2.9-27 kernel seems to have all required components either loadable > as modules or compiled into the kernel. Am I missing something? > > I've tried running under my id and as root and neither work. Do I need to mount > the device before it can be found? > > Any help much appreciated as this is the last thing I need to get working before > I can wipe Windoze off my hard drive...thanks! > > Steve Fox 8?) > http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~sjfox (IBM Intranet) > http://pcxtreme.org (External) > >
RE: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 26-Jul-99 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey all, > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping > for > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > default cdrecord (1.82?) and xcdroaster from the distro. When I run 'cdrecord > -scanbus' I get the error " ". When I start up xcdroaster I get the message > that the SCSI generic module (sg) isn't loaded into the kernel. When I do an > 'insmod sg' it says it's already loaded and lsmod confirms this (it has > [autoclean ?] in the right column). By looking at the CD-Writing Mini-HOWTO > the > Mandrake 2.2.9-27 kernel seems to have all required components either > loadable > as modules or compiled into the kernel. Am I missing something? > > I've tried running under my id and as root and neither work. Do I need to > mount > the device before it can be found? > > Any help much appreciated as this is the last thing I need to get working > before > I can wipe Windoze off my hard drive...thanks! Is your CD-RW drive IDE/ATAPI, or SCSI? And is it on the list of supported drives (there's a link to such a list on cdrecord's homepage)? If it's SCSI, I don't know how to help since I haven't used SCSI drives. If it's IDE/ATAPI, then there are just two very simple things you need to do (hopefully :) ): Put this line in your /etc/lilo.conf, in the part for booting Linux: append="hdX=ide-scsi" Where X is the correct letter for your CD-RW drive. Run lilo to write that to the MBR. Then when you reboot, Linux will not load IDE drivers for your CD-RW drive, and you can type 'modprobe ide-scsi' to load ide-scsi module to run the drive in SCSI emulation. See if it shows up in 'cdrecord -scanbus' now. -Tom
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > standard Mandrake kernel. > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > 2)Reboot > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... alias block-major-11 ide-scsi has an inherent flaw though, doesn't get loaded untill you try and access the cd, i forgot what it caused problems with. Theres also something like alias scsi_hostadapter0 ide-scsi, but that never did work on my system > Jean-Michel Dault > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > > > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:25:55 + > > From: Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > > > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > > > > OK, I've managed to get this working, so here are my helpful hints for you: > > > > The documentation is probably stashed in /usr/doc/xcdroast on your hard disk > > - dig around there -- you'll proably want to read it. > > > > Here is the short version of what it says: > > > > Recompile your kernel -- > > > > You have to compile the ide-scsii emulation, generic scsii support, and scsi > > cdrom drivers into the kernel, not as modules. (If you work out how to do > > this with modules, let us know ... ) > > > > You have to compile out (that is, don't include) the ide cdrom support. If > > you have an ide floppy, compile that into the kernel too, or the scsii > > emulator will interfere with that too. > > > > Your cdrom is now /dev/sr1 or /dev/sr0, so don't forget to change the > > /dev/cdrom hard link. > > > > They recomend that if your hard disk is an IDE one, that you use the -u > > option with hdparm (check the hdparm man page and see your > > /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file). I still got xcdroast/cdrecord to work without > > using -u, but I have put the -u option in, and it seems better (I burned a > > cd from an image on the HDD at 4x, and installed Corel WP8 at the same > > time, so the IDE disk seems quite fast enough for me ...) > > > > The current xcdroast is still quite limited, especially for audio tracks, so > > you probably won't wipe Windows, but it's good for most jobs. > > > > Good luck, > > Steven > > >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 26-Jul-99 Steven wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping >> for >> a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > > OK, I've managed to get this working, so here are my helpful hints for you: > > The documentation is probably stashed in /usr/doc/xcdroast on your hard disk > - dig around there -- you'll proably want to read it. > > Here is the short version of what it says: > > Recompile your kernel -- > > You have to compile the ide-scsii emulation, generic scsii support, and scsi > cdrom drivers into the kernel, not as modules. (If you work out how to do > this with modules, let us know ... ) I've been using my IDE/ATAPI CDR drive under Mandrake 6 and did not have to recompile the kernel for it. Using 'append="hdX=ide-scsi"' in lilo and then typing 'modprobe ide-scsi' at the command line next time you boot, as I suggested to [EMAIL PROTECTED], should work with the generic M6 kernel with no recompiling. -Tom
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
"Thomas J. Hamman" wrote: > I've been using my IDE/ATAPI CDR drive under Mandrake 6 and did not have to > recompile the kernel for it. > > Using 'append="hdX=ide-scsi"' in lilo and then typing 'modprobe ide-scsi' at > the command line next time you boot, as I suggested to [EMAIL PROTECTED], > should work with the generic M6 kernel with no recompiling. Cheers. When I first tried to do this I read the stuff in /usr/doc, which states that for kernel 2.2.x the ide-scsi *had* to be in the kernel; I did play with the modules, but got frustrated because I couldn't work out what line to put in my conf.modules file -- didn't think of just inserting the module by hand (modprobe). It seemed easier to recompile. Even with the ide and scsi drivers in the kernel, it's still smaller than the one supplied in the kernel RPM, not that makes any difference ... :) I think there's enough information in this thread for a section in the Mandrake installation guide ;) Or maybe this could be handled during intallation ... So much to do, so little time. Steven
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
I'll give that a try tonight after work. Now how fast do you think M$ support could have got me an answer? *EG* Thanks! Steve Fox 8?) http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~sjfox (IBM Intranet) http://pcxtreme.org (External) Jean-Michel Dault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/26/99 11:02:15 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the standard Mandrake kernel. 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: append="hdb=ide-scsi" 2)Reboot 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:25:55 + > From: Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I haven't been able to get my CD-RW drive working under Linux yet and hoping for > > a few helpful hints. I'm running Mandrake 6.0 (2.2.9-27 via RPM) with the > > OK, I've managed to get this working, so here are my helpful hints for you: > > The documentation is probably stashed in /usr/doc/xcdroast on your hard disk > - dig around there -- you'll proably want to read it. > > Here is the short version of what it says: > > Recompile your kernel -- > > You have to compile the ide-scsii emulation, generic scsii support, and scsi > cdrom drivers into the kernel, not as modules. (If you work out how to do > this with modules, let us know ... ) > > You have to compile out (that is, don't include) the ide cdrom support. If > you have an ide floppy, compile that into the kernel too, or the scsii > emulator will interfere with that too. > > Your cdrom is now /dev/sr1 or /dev/sr0, so don't forget to change the > /dev/cdrom hard link. > > They recomend that if your hard disk is an IDE one, that you use the -u > option with hdparm (check the hdparm man page and see your > /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit file). I still got xcdroast/cdrecord to work without > using -u, but I have put the -u option in, and it seems better (I burned a > cd from an image on the HDD at 4x, and installed Corel WP8 at the same > time, so the IDE disk seems quite fast enough for me ...) > > The current xcdroast is still quite limited, especially for audio tracks, so > you probably won't wipe Windows, but it's good for most jobs. > > Good luck, > Steven >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > standard Mandrake kernel. > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > 2)Reboot > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. OK, Module Tutorial time for me: Why can the kernel load some modules automatically (and unload them when it's done), but others have to be pushed in by hand? Would I need a system.map, or other, file to use your method? There is a CD Writer HowTo at http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html#ss2.1 It states "With 2.2, you specify which device not to treat as a IDE/ATAPI-device using the parameter ignore= while loading the ide-cd module. Example: use "modprobe ide-cd ignore=hdb", if your ATAPI-writer is hdb and you want the ide-scsi-driver to treat hdb as a scsi-device (usally sr0). There is no way to specify this on the kernel-commandline (like with 2.0)." This seems the opposite of what you have said, and you haven't mentioned the 'ignore' option, is that because with the ide-scsi modules loaded then the kernel won't need to load the ide-cdrom module?
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 26-Jul-99 Axalon wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > >> >> You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the >> standard Mandrake kernel. >> >> 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: >> append="hdb=ide-scsi" >> >> 2)Reboot >> >> 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add >> the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. >> >> I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... > > alias block-major-11 ide-scsi > has an inherent flaw though, doesn't get loaded untill you try and access > the cd, i forgot what it caused problems with. Theres also something like > alias scsi_hostadapter0 ide-scsi, but that never did work on my system alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi works okay for me--usually. Sometimes it won't work and I'll have to modprobe (no idea why), but usually it works. Where does one get a list of the 'block-major-#' devices? i.e. How would I know what block-major-11 is supposed to refer to? -Tom
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
I'd like to thank everyone for their help on this one. I won't be able to try it until tonight, but I feel like I know what I need to do now. >I think there's enough information in this thread for a section in the >Mandrake installation guide ;) Or maybe this could be handled during >intallation ... I think this is a great idea. I didn't notice anything in the installation guide when I looked so this would be good stuff to include. Steve Fox 8?) http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~sjfox (IBM Intranet) http://pcxtreme.org (External)
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 26-Jul-99 Steven wrote: > "Thomas J. Hamman" wrote: > >> I've been using my IDE/ATAPI CDR drive under Mandrake 6 and did not have to >> recompile the kernel for it. >> >> Using 'append="hdX=ide-scsi"' in lilo and then typing 'modprobe ide-scsi' at >> the command line next time you boot, as I suggested to [EMAIL PROTECTED], >> should work with the generic M6 kernel with no recompiling. > > > Cheers. When I first tried to do this I read the stuff in /usr/doc, which > states that for kernel 2.2.x the ide-scsi *had* to be in the kernel; I did > play with the modules, but got frustrated because I couldn't work out what > line to put in my conf.modules file -- didn't think of just inserting the > module by hand (modprobe). It seemed easier to recompile. Yeah, I think I recall reading something about it being different for 2.2.x kernels back when I was first trying to figure this stuff out, but I tried the hdc=ide-scsi line anyway and it worked... and it seemed to be what most people on the list with ATAPI CDR's were doing. > Even with the ide and scsi drivers in the kernel, it's still smaller than > the one supplied in the kernel RPM, not that makes any difference ... :) > > I think there's enough information in this thread for a section in the > Mandrake installation guide ;) Or maybe this could be handled during > intallation ... Well, part of it can be handled during installation if you know you need it beforehand--when you're setting up LILO during installation it asks if you need to pass any special options to the kernel. You can put the hdX=ide-scsi line there. And then the only thing left is the modprobe command, or putting the right line in /etc/conf.modules. I don't know if this would be the kind of thing that belongs in the installation guide... not that it's a bad idea, but I think the installation guide is for Mandrake-specific stuff applicable to most users. Having an ATAPI CDR drive is a specific hardware situation that only applies to a few users, and there is already plenty of documentation on the subject elsewhere (like at cdrecord's homepage). :) -Tom
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
---Reply to mail from Jean-Michel Dault about [expert] CD writing under Linux > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > standard Mandrake kernel. > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > 2)Reboot > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... > > Jean-Michel Dault > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] This works great!! One problem. When I add the "append" line to lilo.conf and rerun lilo I get a syntax error at whatever line number the "append" statement is.If I pass the argument at boot, no problem. What do I need to do? Thanks! ---End reply -- Jonathan Dlouhy Principal Oboe, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra Windows Error 018: Unrecoverable error. System destroyed.
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > > standard Mandrake kernel. > > > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > > > 2)Reboot > > > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > OK, Module Tutorial time for me: > Why can the kernel load some modules automatically (and unload them when > it's done), but others have to be pushed in by hand? Serveral reasons, there maybe more than one module that does slightly different things like with sound and scsi, there are loads of scsi and sound drivers if it's not configured in /etc/conf.modules correctly it won't know what specific driver it needs. > Would I need a system.map, or other, file to use your method? Nope, > There is a CD Writer HowTo at > http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html#ss2.1 > > It states > "With 2.2, you specify which device not to treat as a IDE/ATAPI-device using > the parameter ignore= while loading the ide-cd module. Example: use > "modprobe ide-cd ignore=hdb", if your ATAPI-writer is hdb and you want the > ide-scsi-driver to treat hdb as a scsi-device (usally sr0). There is no way > to specify this on the kernel-commandline (like with 2.0)." Not relevent ide-cd is not a module in the supplied kernel it's built in. > This seems the opposite of what you have said, and you haven't mentioned the > 'ignore' option, is that because with the ide-scsi modules loaded then the > kernel won't need to load the ide-cdrom module? It's build in, all ide cd's will be accessable as standard ide devices (eg. /dev/hdX) untill the ide-scsi module gets loaded. Not all ide cdroms get along well w/ ide-scsi, you wind uo with funny things like 6 extra cdrom devices.
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Thomas J. Hamman wrote: > > On 26-Jul-99 Axalon wrote: > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > > >> > >> You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > >> standard Mandrake kernel. > >> > >> 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > >> append="hdb=ide-scsi" > >> > >> 2)Reboot > >> > >> 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > >> the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > >> > >> I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... > > > > alias block-major-11 ide-scsi > > has an inherent flaw though, doesn't get loaded untill you try and access > > the cd, i forgot what it caused problems with. Theres also something like > > alias scsi_hostadapter0 ide-scsi, but that never did work on my system > > alias scsi_hostadapter ide-scsi works okay for me--usually. Sometimes it won't > work and I'll have to modprobe (no idea why), but usually it works. > > Where does one get a list of the 'block-major-#' devices? i.e. How would I know > what block-major-11 is supposed to refer to? > > > -Tom > /usr/src/linux/Documentation/devices.txt
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
Probably your append line is not in the general config. Try it before the "image=..." line. Jean-Michel Dault [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This works great!! One problem. When I add the "append" line to lilo.conf > and rerun lilo I get a syntax error at whatever line number the "append" > statement is.If I pass the argument at boot, no problem. What do I need to > do? > > Thanks! > > ---End reply > > -- > Jonathan Dlouhy > Principal Oboe, > Atlanta Symphony Orchestra > > Windows Error 018: Unrecoverable error. > System destroyed. > > > >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: > ---Reply to mail from Jean-Michel Dault about [expert] CD writing under Linux > > > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > > standard Mandrake kernel. > > > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > > > 2)Reboot > > > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > > > I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... > > > > Jean-Michel Dault > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > This works great!! One problem. When I add the "append" line to lilo.conf > and rerun lilo I get a syntax error at whatever line number the "append" > statement is.If I pass the argument at boot, no problem. What do I need to > do? > > Thanks! > > ---End reply Show us the lilo.conf
RE: [expert] CD writing under Linux
Is there a way to use a Parallel port HP under Linux ?? Charley > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Axalon > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 4:08 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux > > > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > > > Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > > > > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > > > standard Mandrake kernel. > > > > > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > > > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > > > > > 2)Reboot > > > > > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! > You can add > > > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > > > OK, Module Tutorial time for me: > > Why can the kernel load some modules automatically (and unload them when > > it's done), but others have to be pushed in by hand? > > Serveral reasons, there maybe more than one module that does slightly > different things like with sound and scsi, there are loads of scsi and > sound drivers if it's not configured in /etc/conf.modules correctly it > won't know what specific driver it needs. > > > Would I need a system.map, or other, file to use your method? > > Nope, > > > There is a CD Writer HowTo at > > http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html#ss2.1 > > > > It states > > "With 2.2, you specify which device not to treat as a > IDE/ATAPI-device using > > the parameter ignore= while loading the ide-cd module. Example: use > > "modprobe ide-cd ignore=hdb", if your ATAPI-writer is hdb and > you want the > > ide-scsi-driver to treat hdb as a scsi-device (usally sr0). > There is no way > > to specify this on the kernel-commandline (like with 2.0)." > > Not relevent ide-cd is not a module in the supplied kernel it's built in. > > > This seems the opposite of what you have said, and you haven't > mentioned the > > 'ignore' option, is that because with the ide-scsi modules > loaded then the > > kernel won't need to load the ide-cdrom module? > > It's build in, all ide cd's will be accessable as standard ide devices > (eg. /dev/hdX) untill the ide-scsi module gets loaded. Not all ide cdroms > get along well w/ ide-scsi, you wind uo with funny things like 6 extra > cdrom devices. > >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
> I don't know if this would be the kind of thing that belongs in the > installation guide... not that it's a bad idea, but I think the installation > guide is for Mandrake-specific stuff applicable to most users. Having an ATAPI > CDR drive is a specific hardware situation that only applies to a few users, and > there is already plenty of documentation on the subject elsewhere (like at > cdrecord's homepage). :) I disagree. The installation guide needs to be for Linux, not only for Mandrake-specific issues. That's one of the problems with Linux distributions at this point: too much knowledge is assumed in the docs. And that's why the HOWTOs don't work well, either, because they also make too many assumptions. In theory, the HOWTOs are a great resource, but the anarchical nature of the OS is such that they tend to suffer from innattention. The kernel is healthy because there is Linus and a core of developers who take charge of the essential issues. There really is a need for one or more people to coordinate the issue of HOWTOs, push custodians to make needed updates, and enlist new custodians where those now in place do not keep things current. Any Linux distro will succeed or fail on the ability of a new user to install it and get it running with a minimum of pain. Newsgroups help, and so do mail lists, but the first place we logically turn is to the documentation we received in the distro. William Meyer
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
---Reply to mail from Jean-Michel Dault about [expert] CD writing under Linux > > Probably your append line is not in the general config. Try it before the > "image=..." line. > > Jean-Michel Dault > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks. Right after I sent that e-mail that ocurred to me. I had the line at the end of the file instead of after the section pertaining to the kernel I wanted to boot. In any case, the CD writer works great now and no recompiling was necessary. Thanks so much for your help!! ---End reply -- Jonathan Dlouhy Principal Oboe, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra Windows Error 018: Unrecoverable error. System destroyed.
RE: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Charley Sparks wrote: > Is there a way to use a Parallel port HP under Linux ?? > > Charley I'm not aware of any software dedicated to this, if it's recognised as an IDE drive already, ide-scsi may work. > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Axalon > > Sent: Monday, July 26, 1999 4:08 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > > > > > Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > > > > > > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > > > > standard Mandrake kernel. > > > > > > > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > > > > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > > > > > > > 2)Reboot > > > > > > > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! > > You can add > > > > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > > > > > OK, Module Tutorial time for me: > > > Why can the kernel load some modules automatically (and unload them when > > > it's done), but others have to be pushed in by hand? > > > > Serveral reasons, there maybe more than one module that does slightly > > different things like with sound and scsi, there are loads of scsi and > > sound drivers if it's not configured in /etc/conf.modules correctly it > > won't know what specific driver it needs. > > > > > Would I need a system.map, or other, file to use your method? > > > > Nope, > > > > > There is a CD Writer HowTo at > > > http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html#ss2.1 > > > > > > It states > > > "With 2.2, you specify which device not to treat as a > > IDE/ATAPI-device using > > > the parameter ignore= while loading the ide-cd module. Example: use > > > "modprobe ide-cd ignore=hdb", if your ATAPI-writer is hdb and > > you want the > > > ide-scsi-driver to treat hdb as a scsi-device (usally sr0). > > There is no way > > > to specify this on the kernel-commandline (like with 2.0)." > > > > Not relevent ide-cd is not a module in the supplied kernel it's built in. > > > > > This seems the opposite of what you have said, and you haven't > > mentioned the > > > 'ignore' option, is that because with the ide-scsi modules > > loaded then the > > > kernel won't need to load the ide-cdrom module? > > > > It's build in, all ide cd's will be accessable as standard ide devices > > (eg. /dev/hdX) untill the ide-scsi module gets loaded. Not all ide cdroms > > get along well w/ ide-scsi, you wind uo with funny things like 6 extra > > cdrom devices. > > > > > >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 26-Jul-99 William Meyer wrote: > >> I don't know if this would be the kind of thing that belongs in the >> installation guide... not that it's a bad idea, but I think the > installation >> guide is for Mandrake-specific stuff applicable to most users. Having an > ATAPI >> CDR drive is a specific hardware situation that only applies to a few > users, and >> there is already plenty of documentation on the subject elsewhere (like at >> cdrecord's homepage). :) > > I disagree. The installation guide needs to be for Linux, not only for > Mandrake-specific issues. That's one of the problems with Linux > distributions at this point: too much knowledge is assumed in the docs. And > that's why the HOWTOs don't work well, either, because they also make too > many assumptions. > > In theory, the HOWTOs are a great resource, but the anarchical nature of the > OS is such that they tend to suffer from innattention. The kernel is healthy > because there is Linus and a core of developers who take charge of the > essential issues. There really is a need for one or more people to > coordinate the issue of HOWTOs, push custodians to make needed updates, and > enlist new custodians where those now in place do not keep things current. > > Any Linux distro will succeed or fail on the ability of a new user to > install it and get it running with a minimum of pain. Newsgroups help, and > so do mail lists, but the first place we logically turn is to the > documentation we received in the distro. > > William Meyer I agree with most of your views, but there's only so much you can fit in one book. A couple points to keep in mind: Using an ATAPI CDR drive in SCSI emulation is a subject that is not applicable to all (or even most) users. Furthermore, even for someone who does have such a drive, knowing how to use it in SCSI emulation is not required for installing Linux and getting their system up and running. ATAPI CDR drives read CD's just fine with default IDE drivers; SCSI emulation is only needed for burning CDR's, with cdrecord. Thus a user with an ATAPI CDR drive does not need information about using SCSI emulation straight from their installation guide; it's something they can look up later in the large wealth of documentation written specifically on the subject of burning CDR's. The Mandrake Installation Guide is just that: an installation guide. It is meant to cover installation and subjects related to helping a user get their system up and running. It is not a user guide. It would be nice if it could be, but it's not really possible, or at least not plausible. I don't know how large the current Mandrake Installation Guide is right now, but I have the RedHat 5.2 Installation Guide, and it is nearly 400 pages long. It's a very thick book, despite not having much beyond installing and getting the system initially set up. To try to fit documentation on every subject as non-critical and specific-to-certain-hardware as the subject of SCSI emulation, into an installation guide, would be impossible--it would require thousands of pages. There's no way you could pack it into one book. Speaking of user guides though, there are several freely available guides as part of the Linux Documentation Project at http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/. There's an Installation and Getting Started guide, User Guide, System Administrator's Guide, and several more, along with the HOWTO's, mini-HOWTO's, and FAQs, all conveniently accessible from one sight. With all that said, I certainly wouldn't complain if a little section on SCSI emulation popped up in the Mandrake Installation Guide; but I doubt it will, for the reasons I just explained. -Tom
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
> On 26-Jul-99 Thomas J. Hamman wrote: > I agree with most of your views, but there's only so much you can fit in one > book. A couple points to keep in mind: > > Using an ATAPI CDR drive in SCSI emulation is a subject that is not applicable > to all (or even most) users. Furthermore, even for someone who does have such > a drive, knowing how to use it in SCSI emulation is not required for installing > Linux and getting their system up and running. ATAPI CDR drives read CD's just > fine with default IDE drivers; SCSI emulation is only needed for burning CDR's, > with cdrecord. Thus a user with an ATAPI CDR drive does not need information > about using SCSI emulation straight from their installation guide; it's > something they can look up later in the large wealth of documentation written > specifically on the subject of burning CDR's. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I understand your point, but I still disagree. Costco has been selling pallette-loads of HP 8100 CDRs, and have even sold Mandrake (briefly) and Red Hat. I admit that my neighborhood may ba a bit atypical, but even so... One of the points I wanted to make, and will now state as clearly as I can is that the HOWTOs fall short as docs are concerned. I'm not a tyro; I've been writing software commercially for over 20 years. I've also written documentation for commercial products, and friends, the HOWTOs just don't get it. My impression is that whereas the development of Linux is a community effort with a town council providing control, the HOWTOs are more like a happening. There is little consistency, and a great deal is assumed about the reader's knowledge. This tends to make searching the HOWTOs a circular, or at best, spiral, activity. > The Mandrake Installation Guide is just that: an installation guide. It is > meant to cover installation and subjects related to helping a user get their > system up and running. It is not a user guide. It would be nice if it could > be, but it's not really possible, or at least not plausible. I don't know how > large the current Mandrake Installation Guide is right now, but I have the > RedHat 5.2 Installation Guide, and it is nearly 400 pages long. It's a very > thick book, despite not having much beyond installing and getting the system > initially set up. To try to fit documentation on every subject as non-critical > and specific-to-certain-hardware as the subject of SCSI emulation, into an > installation guide, would be impossible--it would require thousands of > pages. There's no way you could pack it into one book. The Mandrake "Install Guide" is 47 pages. The Mandrake "User Guide" is 142 pages. It should be fairly obvious that neither of those is adequate to the roles they claim. > Speaking of user guides though, there are several freely available guides as > part of the Linux Documentation Project at http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/. > There's an Installation and Getting Started guide, User Guide, System > Administrator's Guide, and several more, along with the HOWTO's, mini-HOWTO's, > and FAQs, all conveniently accessible from one sight. I've been to the LDP. That's where I found the hopelessly inadequate serial programming guide. With the widespread use of Linux, now claimed to be more than 7 million seats (and it's probably more than that), I would have expected to find better. I expect books to be outdated. It's the nature of the beast. One of the best features of the HOWTOs ought to be limited inertia. Yet the serial programming HOWTO has had no rework in 18 months. Please understand: I'm highly motivated to get out from under MS, and I find much to like in Linux. Red Hat left me cold; Caldera was better, and Mandrake feels pretty good. My OS experience includes CP/M, MS-DOS, SCO Unix, Cromix, OS/2, and BeOS. My problem is that I keep tripping over new mysteries. Given that I have to make a business case for dropping MS, that's a bit of a problem, as it makes it more or less impossible to estimate development time. > With all that said, I certainly wouldn't complain if a little section on SCSI > emulation popped up in the Mandrake Installation Guide; but I doubt it will, > for the reasons I just explained. Again, I understand, and again, I'm afraid you're right. Not because of reasons, but because of rationale. MS gets away with it because Windows is pervasive. Linux users hate for Linux to be compared to Windows, yet the best excuse for the poor documentation comes from the MS example. If Linux is going to live up to all that it could be, distributors should recognize that documentation is an opportunity to add value. My largest regret is that my own understanding of Linux is insufficient to let me write the book which begs to be written. There's a golden opportunity here. William Meyer
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 27-Jul-99 William Meyer wrote: >> On 26-Jul-99 Thomas J. Hamman wrote: > >> I agree with most of your views, but there's only so much you can fit in > one >> book. A couple points to keep in mind: >> >> Using an ATAPI CDR drive in SCSI emulation is a subject that is not > applicable >> to all (or even most) users. Furthermore, even for someone who does have > such >> a drive, knowing how to use it in SCSI emulation is not required for > installing >> Linux and getting their system up and running. ATAPI CDR drives read CD's > just >> fine with default IDE drivers; SCSI emulation is only needed for burning > CDR's, >> with cdrecord. Thus a user with an ATAPI CDR drive does not need > information >> about using SCSI emulation straight from their installation guide; it's >> something they can look up later in the large wealth of documentation > written >> specifically on the subject of burning CDR's. > > Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I understand your point, but I still > disagree. Costco has been selling pallette-loads of HP 8100 CDRs, and have > even sold Mandrake (briefly) and Red Hat. I admit that my neighborhood may > ba a bit atypical, but even so... Snipping the rest since I don't even disagree with it. :) I do agree with you about the current situation of documentation for Linux--especially where the HOWTO's are concerned, since many of them seem to be very outdated. (Though I find it hard to find too much fault with the people who write them, who gain no money for the time they spend on it.) I never disagreed with your opinions of Linux documentation and what needs to be done with it, and I'm sorry I didn't make that more clear in my earlier reply. I was only saying that instructions for setting up SCSI emulation for an ATAPI CDR drive have their proper place--CD-WRITING HOWTO's/FAQ's, User Guides, the instructions for cdrecord (cdrecord's homepage has links to all the info you'd need, and it was enough for me to get my drive set up for burning)--and that proper place isn't a distribution's installation guide. I wasn't aware that Mandrake had a separate 'user guide' in addition to its installation guide. If so, I would agree that that (the user guide) is a proper place for information about SCSI emulation. -Tom
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
On 27-Jul-99 Thomas J. Hamman wrote: > Snipping the rest since I don't even disagree with it. :) I do agree with you > about the current situation of documentation for Linux--especially where the > HOWTO's are concerned, since many of them seem to be very outdated. (Though I > find it hard to find too much fault with the people who write them, who gain no > money for the time they spend on it.) I realize they are uncompensated, but on the other hand, they signed up knowing the terms up front. I've done volunteer work before, and the pay is always the same: the satisfaction of having done something beneficial for a group. If they tire of it, or if they find themselves unable to carry on for any reason, they have a responsibility to hand off to someone who can continue the work. As Linux is a living thing, so must the documentation live and grow. > I wasn't aware that Mandrake had a separate 'user guide' in addition to its > installation guide. If so, I would agree that that (the user guide) is a proper > place for information about SCSI emulation. They call it a user guide, but I put it in quotes partly because I disagree with its designation. It isn't close to being a user guide. And more importantly, what is needed is not a guide, but a manual. If I harp on this, understand that I am frustrated at the shortfalls. I'm convinced that Linux could be better for my company than Windows, but am concerned at the risks implied by poor documentation. To be fair, I think this is an hereditary issue endemic to C programmers. C docs have always been sparse, as have Unix docs. The mindset has favored small programs, and also favors the creation of tiny programs to allow each programmer to discover personally how a function works. For reasons I have never understood, the entire C community seems to find that appropriate. It put me off 15 years ago, and it still does. My outlook may also be colored by my having started in hardware design. And when I moved from logic to programming, it was in assembler first, where copious docs of registers and bits and address spaces are always available. Revisiting my complaint with the serial programming HOWTO, that is exactly the approach which is needed there, with each control bit fully explained as to function. I've also been spoiled through years of working with Pascal, where a single company dominates the field, and where there documentation has always been pretty strong. Part of my frustration comes from the fact that if I had the time to spend on doping out the serial programming details, I would offer an update to the HOWTO. Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do that. In fact, that issue alone is forcing me to reconsider the move to Linux -- forcing me to buy into Windows for another product generation. Frankly, that is so depressing that I've been thinking maybe I should go back to hardware design. Or switch to BeOS. Or look again ad DOS with DR-DOS, and go back to assembler. I really have come to hate Windows. William Meyer
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
"Thomas J. Hamman" wrote: > The Mandrake Installation Guide is just that: an installation guide. It is > meant to cover installation and subjects related to helping a user get their > system up and running. It is not a user guide. It would be nice if it could Have you looked at it? It's the beggining of an excellent document that already covers System Administration (configuring users, upgrading lilo, ...), Setting up 'non-essential' peripherals (soundcards, printers, ...), using applications (Emacs, Apache, Netscape (!!), ...) These are mainly generic Linux issues, but it helps to have a central point of access, with pointers to other information for when things go tricky. (It would be nice if the list of HowTos was hyperlinked to the HTML versions that can be installed, I think RedHat do this. Wouldn't it be great if the docs were crosslinked with the KDE help too? The size of the document is irrelevant, as as soon as X is configured it is browsed online through a hyperlinked interface. If it develops as a Mandrake specific front end HTML 'interface' to the HowTos, it will really help Mandrake acheive the stated aim of being User Friendly. Steven
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
I definitely think there should be a section on CD-Writers in the Mandrake documentation. 1) Mandrake comes in ISO format ready to burn 2) The CD-Writer question is always the same, it's a frequently asked question on this list and in the newsgroups 3) It takes 10 lines to explain the solution... Jean-Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:33:59 + > From: Steven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux > > "Thomas J. Hamman" wrote: > > > The Mandrake Installation Guide is just that: an installation guide. It is > > meant to cover installation and subjects related to helping a user get their > > system up and running. It is not a user guide. It would be nice if it could > > Have you looked at it? It's the beggining of an excellent document that > already covers System Administration (configuring users, upgrading lilo, > ...), Setting up 'non-essential' peripherals (soundcards, printers, ...), > using applications (Emacs, Apache, Netscape (!!), ...) > > These are mainly generic Linux issues, but it helps to have a central point > of access, with pointers to other information for when things go tricky. (It > would be nice if the list of HowTos was hyperlinked to the HTML versions > that can be installed, I think RedHat do this. Wouldn't it be great if the > docs were crosslinked with the KDE help too? > > The size of the document is irrelevant, as as soon as X is configured it is > browsed online through a hyperlinked interface. If it develops as a Mandrake > specific front end HTML 'interface' to the HowTos, it will really help > Mandrake acheive the stated aim of being User Friendly. > > Steven >
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
Thanks to everyone on the list for their help with the CD writing problem. In summary, it worked just by adding the line append="hd[x]=ide-scsi" right before the image= line in /etc/lilo.conf (it was hdd= in my case since my drive was a slave on the second IDE port). I also had to do the 'modprobe ide-scsi' upon rebooting (I will be adding this to my startup scripts). As far as my device it was an IDE Memorex CDRW-1622. I also feel that this should be added to the Mandrake documentation somewhere. As for whether it should go into a Users Guide or an Installation Guide I leave it to others to duke it out. ;0) Thanks again! Steve Fox 8?) http://w3.rchland.ibm.com/~sjfox (IBM Intranet) http://pcxtreme.org (External) Jean-Michel Dault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 07/27/99 11:54:48 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux I definitely think there should be a section on CD-Writers in the Mandrake documentation. 1) Mandrake comes in ISO format ready to burn 2) The CD-Writer question is always the same, it's a frequently asked question on this list and in the newsgroups 3) It takes 10 lines to explain the solution... Jean-Michel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux
this is how my HP atapi drive is, Is there anything to do about the extra devices? Axalon wrote: > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Steven wrote: > > > Jean-Michel Dault wrote: > > > > > > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the > > > standard Mandrake kernel. > > > > > > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: > > > append="hdb=ide-scsi" > > > > > > 2)Reboot > > > > > > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add > > > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. > > > > OK, Module Tutorial time for me: > > Why can the kernel load some modules automatically (and unload them when > > it's done), but others have to be pushed in by hand? > > Serveral reasons, there maybe more than one module that does slightly > different things like with sound and scsi, there are loads of scsi and > sound drivers if it's not configured in /etc/conf.modules correctly it > won't know what specific driver it needs. > > > Would I need a system.map, or other, file to use your method? > > Nope, > > > There is a CD Writer HowTo at > > http://www.guug.de/~winni/linux/cdr/html/CD-Writing-2.html#ss2.1 > > > > It states > > "With 2.2, you specify which device not to treat as a IDE/ATAPI-device using > > the parameter ignore= while loading the ide-cd module. Example: use > > "modprobe ide-cd ignore=hdb", if your ATAPI-writer is hdb and you want the > > ide-scsi-driver to treat hdb as a scsi-device (usally sr0). There is no way > > to specify this on the kernel-commandline (like with 2.0)." > > Not relevent ide-cd is not a module in the supplied kernel it's built in. > > > This seems the opposite of what you have said, and you haven't mentioned the > > 'ignore' option, is that because with the ide-scsi modules loaded then the > > kernel won't need to load the ide-cdrom module? > > It's build in, all ide cd's will be accessable as standard ide devices > (eg. /dev/hdX) untill the ide-scsi module gets loaded. Not all ide cdroms > get along well w/ ide-scsi, you wind uo with funny things like 6 extra > cdrom devices.
Re: [expert] CD writing under Linux (fwd)
---Reply to mail from Axalon about [expert] CD writing under Linux > > > On Mon, 26 Jul 1999, Jonathan Dlouhy wrote: > >> ---Reply to mail from Jean-Michel Dault about [expert] CD writing under Linux >> > >> > You *DON'T* need to recompile the kernel. I use a CD Writer with the >> > standard Mandrake kernel. >> > >> > 1)Add this to your /etc/lilo.conf: >> > append="hdb=ide-scsi" >> > >> > 2)Reboot >> > >> > 3)Then, you can simply do a "modprobe ide-scsi", and voila! You can add >> > the modprobe in /etc/rc.d/rc.local. >> > >> > I remember Axalon had a sexier solution, but I can't quite remember it... >> > >> > Jean-Michel Dault >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> This works great!! One problem. When I add the "append" line to lilo.conf >> and rerun lilo I get a syntax error at whatever line number the "append" >> statement is.If I pass the argument at boot, no problem. What do I need to >> do? >> >> Thanks! >> >> ---End reply > > Show us the lilo.conf > Right after I sent this I realized my mistake. I had put the "append" line at the end of the file rather than at the end of the section containing the information about the kernel I wanted to boot. Live and learn... ---End reply -- Jonathan Dlouhy Principal Oboe, Atlanta Symphony Orchestra Windows Error 018: Unrecoverable error. System destroyed.
Re: [expert] CD Writing (including micro how-to)
Felix Miata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...
> The reality is if the windoze Adaptec software can easily
> create the Mandrake 8 CD from an ISO, but this is something I don't know
> either. That software, like most free and cheap software, came with no
> printed docs to check.
I'll get back to this question at the end.
> I've browsed Linux/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO and its FTP link to various
> cdrecord versions. My initial impression is this is a bear to get set up
> - unless, my "easy" (default) installation of Mandrake 7.1 has already
> done what I need.
Probably, if you got certain pieces you need.
> Questions:
>
> 1-Can it be said unequivocally that my Mandrake 7.1 is already set up &
> ready to burn?
No, but you can find out easily enough. Try running xcdroast (and I'm sure
others will pipe up with other cd recording programs ;-) If you don't
have xcdroast installed, and if either the download won't kill you or
you've already got xcdroast rpm somewhere, try installing it and then
running it. If it works ,then you are home free.
> 2-If 1 is false, is there an easier way than digesting the whole of the
> (not too good IMO) HOWTO to figure out what is and is not already
> prepared?
1 - install xcdroast (and mkisofs, and cdrecord (as I recall, this list
may be wrong)) and see if it works. While I could use cdrecord
instead, xcdroast is too easy to use to switch ;-) / 2
2 - if that fails, make sure scsi is detected in your kernel on boot up
(look in /var/log/messages for 'SCSI'). If scsi is not in your
kernel or modules then it must be installed. At this point I'd
probably just burn the 8.0 on windblows and make sure I install
cd stuff on the 8.0 install (which, by the way, seems to work
best if you don't UPGRADE the 7.x but rather install on blank
(or newly-formatted) partitions).
>
> 3-Is there someplace better than the HOWTO to explain CD writing under
> Linux?
Here on the mandrake expert list ;-)
> I've had this writer since October. All the OS/2 CDRW setup instructions
> were so intimidating I've still not even tried. I'm hoping to migrate to
> Mandrake from OS/2 at some point, and hopefully this CD writing project
> will be the first useful step, if I can get over it. Thanks for whatever
> help anyone can provide in getting me CDRW literate.
The Readers Digest version of a Short howto (aka a micro how-to):
Once scsi is in your kernel (you *are* using real scsi and not scsi emulation?),
and cdrecord, mkisofs, and xcdroast are installed, then run 'xcdroast' (you MAY
have to do this as root, or make sure permissions are right).
Run through the setup, and select the correct source and destination drives
and so forth. Be aware that 'raw partition' means exactly that - no file system
will survive on that partition if you write anything there using xcdroast.
Use files in the directory structure instead... (The most important parts
are under the CD setup and HD setup tabs, but its a good idea to check the
others also)
Oh - xcdroast wants iso images to end in 'raw', not 'iso'. So you may want
to rename your iso's to raw's so that xcdroast will automatically find them
for you in the below step. (It can USE any filename, but the nifty little
dropdown of files will not see it unless it ends in .raw)
To make a cd from an iso image, hit the 'master cd' button. Then hit the
'write image' button, enter the correct 'write from' file, check your
other settings (like speed and destination ("write image to"), and hit
'start write image'.
Later on, you can explore the other buttons, like "Master from/to",
"Set image-type", etc. but for making cds from images, this is all
you should need.
rc
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Re: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge
Err...I don't believe that. I have this chipset and I burn CDs without problems (CDRW) on my IDE2 interface. On Monday 30 July 2001 06:41 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > Hi, all. > > Do I remember properly that because of the bug in this chip, > that the LM80 2.4 kernel SRPMs have DMA disabled on IDE CDRs and > CDRWs? And that that means that creating CDR* disks from IDE > CDR* devices is impossible on motherboards that have the 686b? > > Sincerely, > Ron > -- > ++ > > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org | > | > | "Our computers and their computers are the same color. The | > | conversion should be no problem!" | > |Unknown | > > ++ -- Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain.
Re: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge
On Monday 30 July 2001 07:41 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > Do I remember properly that because of the bug in this chip, > that the LM80 2.4 kernel SRPMs have DMA disabled on IDE CDRs and > CDRWs? And that that means that creating CDR* disks from IDE > CDR* devices is impossible on motherboards that have the 686b? I believe this business of the VIA-IDE bug is greatly overblown. It only rarely supposedly affects large transfers across IDE channels (>100mb). I have a VIA chipset board (Soyo k7vta pro) and have never experienced this bug. I just burned backup copies of Mandrake Freq2 last night. I have 2 IBM HDDs on ide0, and a CDrom and CD-RW on ide1. Both LM 8.0 (various 2.4.x kernels) and Freq2 (2.4.5-5) have set up all the drives using 32bit and DMA during install. No problems, either burning CD's or while testing moving a 700mb file across ide. In researching this bug before I bought the VIA board I came across three elements that are said to provoke the bug. Older VIA chipsets (there's been bascially 3 steppings since the chip was introduced). SB sound cards, particularly SB Live! PCI, and then mostly with Abit motherboards. Newer Western Digital HDD's. I have none of the above, and since my research was done on the Net, take it with a grain of salt. I have had some correspondence with a friend who has all the above, 2 new WD HDDs, a pci SB Live!, on a Abit KT7a, yet he's never experienced the bug or had problems burning CD's either. -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay
Re: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge
Well, I have actually bin hit quite a bit of times with the bug. I treid many things and could not get the corruption to stop. I finally gave up when it became clear it was a chipset thing. However, no problems with CDRW, only when I am doing large transfers between these two drives. So , it is not that rare for people like me that use it quite a bit. To avoide the corruption, I just use one IDE drive now and do small transfers to the second. On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Tom Brinkman wrote: > On Monday 30 July 2001 07:41 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Do I remember properly that because of the bug in this chip, > > that the LM80 2.4 kernel SRPMs have DMA disabled on IDE CDRs and > > CDRWs? And that that means that creating CDR* disks from IDE > > CDR* devices is impossible on motherboards that have the 686b? > >I believe this business of the VIA-IDE bug is greatly overblown. It > only rarely supposedly affects large transfers across IDE channels > (>100mb). I have a VIA chipset board (Soyo k7vta pro) and have never > experienced this bug. I just burned backup copies of Mandrake Freq2 > last night. I have 2 IBM HDDs on ide0, and a CDrom and CD-RW on ide1. > Both LM 8.0 (various 2.4.x kernels) and Freq2 (2.4.5-5) have set up all > the drives using 32bit and DMA during install. No problems, either > burning CD's or while testing moving a 700mb file across ide. > > In researching this bug before I bought the VIA board I came across > three elements that are said to provoke the bug. Older VIA chipsets > (there's been bascially 3 steppings since the chip was introduced). SB > sound cards, particularly SB Live! PCI, and then mostly with Abit > motherboards. Newer Western Digital HDD's. I have none of the above, > and since my research was done on the Net, take it with a grain of salt. > I have had some correspondence with a friend who has all the above, 2 > new WD HDDs, a pci SB Live!, on a Abit KT7a, yet he's never experienced > the bug or had problems burning CD's either. >
Re: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge
On Tuesday 31 July 2001 11:17 am, Nima S. Panahi wrote: > Well, I have actually bin hit quite a bit of times with the bug. I > treid many things and could not get the corruption to stop. I > finally gave up when it became clear it was a chipset thing. However, > no problems with CDRW, only when I am doing large transfers between > these two drives. So , it is not that rare for people like me that > use it quite a bit. To avoide the corruption, I just use one IDE > drive now and do small transfers to the second. You might try raising the voltage to the cpu (Vcore) if your board supports doing so. That was one suggestion VIA made public for mnimizing the bug. Suggested was 1.82v for a Tbird (default is 1.75v). Mine's oc'd so I normally run it at 1.8v Vcore and 3.42v IO -- Tom Brinkman Galveston Bay > > On Tue, 31 Jul 2001, Tom Brinkman wrote: > > On Monday 30 July 2001 07:41 pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > > > Do I remember properly that because of the bug in this chip, > > > that the LM80 2.4 kernel SRPMs have DMA disabled on IDE CDRs and > > > CDRWs? And that that means that creating CDR* disks from IDE > > > CDR* devices is impossible on motherboards that have the 686b? > > > >I believe this business of the VIA-IDE bug is greatly overblown. > > It only rarely supposedly affects large transfers across IDE > > channels (>100mb). I have a VIA chipset board (Soyo k7vta pro) and > > have never experienced this bug. I just burned backup copies of > > Mandrake Freq2 last night. I have 2 IBM HDDs on ide0, and a CDrom > > and CD-RW on ide1. Both LM 8.0 (various 2.4.x kernels) and Freq2 > > (2.4.5-5) have set up all the drives using 32bit and DMA during > > install. No problems, either burning CD's or while testing moving a > > 700mb file across ide. > > > > In researching this bug before I bought the VIA board I came > > across three elements that are said to provoke the bug. Older VIA > > chipsets (there's been bascially 3 steppings since the chip was > > introduced). SB sound cards, particularly SB Live! PCI, and then > > mostly with Abit motherboards. Newer Western Digital HDD's. I have > > none of the above, and since my research was done on the Net, take > > it with a grain of salt. I have had some correspondence with a > > friend who has all the above, 2 new WD HDDs, a pci SB Live!, on a > > Abit KT7a, yet he's never experienced the bug or had problems > > burning CD's either.
RE: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge
Actually on my machine, I have 3 hard drives and a CD-RW. Since I have all 3 drives using UDMA, I have to disable DMA on the CD-RW to get it to burn properly. With DMA enabled I get all sorts of problems burning CD's. With PIO it works fine... -JMS -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2001 11:42 AM To: Ron Johnson; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge Why would using PIO transfers make it impossible to burn CD's? A little while back I used to burn CD's on an old Pentium 133MHz only capable of PIO mode 4 on all drives including the burner and it still did 8x burning without buffer under runs. The only time that I got buffer under runs was when I did something that caused heavy disk access for more than a couple of seconds (like loading netscape). Sure UDMA is better, but is it essential? (I have never had a buffer under run on my current Linux box using UDMA even when the system is being hammered by several processes.) Ron Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, all. > > Do I remember properly that because of the bug in this chip, that the > LM80 2.4 kernel SRPMs have DMA disabled on IDE CDRs and CDRWs? And > that that means that creating CDR* disks from IDE > CDR* devices is impossible on motherboards that have the 686b? > > Sincerely, > Ron > - -- > ++ > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org | > || "Our > | computers and their computers are the same color. The | > | conversion should be no problem!" | > |Unknown | > ++ > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE7Zf7EjTz5dS9Us5wRAsxyAJ9LyEDEip1pLVLqZOVK/00blnhilgCfVbjJ > DweCd12EbvFc6mdT+8f5f2k= > =IKHy > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [expert] CD Writing and the Via 686b southbridge
On Sunday 12 August 2001 11:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Why would using PIO transfers make it impossible to burn CD's? A little > while back I used to burn CD's on an old Pentium 133MHz only capable of > PIO mode 4 on all drives including the burner and it still did 8x > burning without buffer under runs. The only time that I got buffer > under runs was when I did something that caused heavy disk access for > more than a couple of seconds (like loading netscape). Sure UDMA is > better, but is it essential? (I have never had a buffer under run on my > current Linux box using UDMA even when the system is being hammered by > several processes.) > > Ron Johnson wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Hi, all. > > > > Do I remember properly that because of the bug in this chip, > > that the LM80 2.4 kernel SRPMs have DMA disabled on IDE CDRs and > > CDRWs? And that that means that creating CDR* disks from IDE > > CDR* devices is impossible on motherboards that have the 686b? Not impossible for the PIO, though that does increase the Coaster to CD ratio. Impossible period on a 686B with the hardware bug. In Windows 95 98 ME and 2K as well. It is part of the property of the hardware bug, though this part has mostly been observed with Creative Sound Cards. Civileme > > > > Sincerely, > > Ron > > - -- > > ++ > > > > | Ron Johnson, Jr.Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > > | Jefferson, LA USA http://ronandheather.dhs.org | > > | > > | "Our computers and their computers are the same color. The | > > | conversion should be no problem!" | > > |Unknown | > > > > ++ > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > > > iD8DBQE7Zf7EjTz5dS9Us5wRAsxyAJ9LyEDEip1pLVLqZOVK/00blnhilgCfVbjJ > > DweCd12EbvFc6mdT+8f5f2k= > > =IKHy > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
