RE: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-18 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS

You need bzip2, all the rpm-3.0.5, and I believe I had to --force and/or
--nodeps to get a few packages to go in. The files I downloaded are .tar.bz2
and I am still waiting for the last few to finish before I try to enter
KDE2 again.. I also needed bison, menu, mandrake_desk, and a ton of other
packages. We'll see this evening!


-Original Message-
From: Leopold Palomo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 6:14 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


Oh, oh, oh.

It seams that have been a controversial thread

Well, I think that I was a bit bare in my message.

Dear Mark Polsen, thanks for your answer, but I have read the file README file at

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0RC2/rpm/Mandrake/README

and of course that it says that the only dependency problem is  Mandrake_Desk and menu.
But, if you want to install menu, it says:

[root@hoth kde]# rpm -i menu-2.1.5-41mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
rpm = 3.0.5-22mdk is needed by menu-2.1.5-41mdk
libbz2.so.1 is needed by menu-2.1.5-41mdk

And after to trying to install install  rpm-3.0.5-26mdk.i586.rpm,

[root@hoth kde]# rpm -i rpm-3.0.5-26mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
libbz2.so.1 is needed by rpm-3.0.5-26mdk
menu  2.1.5-29mdk conflicts with rpm-3.0.5-26mdk


So, I'm sorry, but I'm not very happy.

Warren Doney has written a good link at:

http://virtualartisans.com/linux/mandrake/


Thanks Warren, I have looked it, and I will try to follow all the points.

Alexander Skwar, I'm sorry, but my poor level of english do that I don't understand 
this
sentence,

 What's holding you from fullfilling all the requirements?

so, please, what does it means??


GrAnT GaLbRaiTh have writen a interesting mail. Ok, but you have installed the mdk 7.2
beta, and I not. It's not the same version.
However, I will try to force to install it,  and trace all the dependencies.

And in another mail, Alexander Skwar said:

So?  You want the latest, you need to install the latest.  Those
dependencies are in there for a reason!

I don't think that it's a correct position. With Gnome it was very easy (more or less) 
to
install it. Why not with kde? There are a lot of differences between rpm 3.05 and the
package of the mdk 7.1??

Well, I finish, thanks to all for all the messages. I would like that the mandrake team
pay attention in this class of things.

Best regards,

Leo

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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Mark Polsen

Check out the README file at

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0RC2/rpm/Mandrake/README

The only dependencies I can see are Mandrake_Desk and menu

Good Luck

Mark

Leopold Palomo wrote:
 
 Dear people,
 
 I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
 the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I
 would like to test the kde2, but all the time  that I have tried to do
 it, I have had problems.
 
 Could anyone help me in that?
 
 All comments will be welcome.
 
 Best regards,
 Leo
 
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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Warren Doney

http://virtualartisans.com/linux/mandrake/
has some details of how he built kde2.

-WBD


Mark Polsen wrote:
 
 Check out the README file at
 
 ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0RC2/rpm/Mandrake/README
 
 The only dependencies I can see are Mandrake_Desk and menu
 
 Good Luck
 
 Mark
 
 Leopold Palomo wrote:
 
  Dear people,
 
  I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
  the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I
  would like to test the kde2, but all the time  that I have tried to do
  it, I have had problems.
 
  Could anyone help me in that?
 
  All comments will be welcome.
 
  Best regards,
  Leo
 
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RE: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS

Dunno, but I am going to reinstall 7.1 on my system since trying to get kde2 to work
seems impossible on my system too. Seemed odd yesterday though that kde.org had
rc2 version and mandrake packages were there and they are all date stamped 10/13
however the packages wont install since I installed the ones from cooker
(which are older in date) but the cooker files are claimed newer according to rpm.
Cooker dates are 10/6 and 10/10 it seems. How could these files be a higher rev 
package when they are date stamped earlier ??
Maybe it is time to install RH on my primary machine, it is on my secondary machine
with no probs then again, i dont install many things on it either cause I do like
Mandrake


-Original Message-
From: Leopold Palomo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:11 PM
To: Expert
Subject: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


Dear people,

I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I
would like to test the kde2, but all the time  that I have tried to do
it, I have had problems.

Could anyone help me in that?

All comments will be welcome.

Best regards,
Leo



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RE: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS

Yes it does take a lot of additional packages, like pam, bzip2, qt 2.2.1, menu, 
mandrake_desk, alsa (it seems), rpm 3.05 (for some packages), and the devel packages 
for a lot of the above and of course the kde2 files.


-Original Message-
From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:26 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


So sprach Leopold Palomo am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:10:59AM +0200:
 Dear people,
 
 I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
 the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I

Well, you surely can install KDE2 on Mdk 7.1, but it may very well be that
you also have to install a lot of other new stuff.  What's holding you from
fullfilling all the requirements?

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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread GrAnT GaLbRaiTh

As someone said before, have you upgraded mandrake_desk and menu before 
starting. when installing kdebase or any other package with an extra devel 
package it will say that the older kdebase-devel is dependent on it. I force 
the install and then install the devel package. As for the other dependency 
problems I found it a matter of taking note and tracking down the libs etc 
that were required. Look at the error messages carefully. they tell you 
exactly what the problem is.
I've been using the latest packages from cooker on top of the 7.2 mandrake 
beta that had the 1.93 packages. After a lot of fiddling and dowloading extra 
little bits it has all been worth it. 

My system is very stable and  I haven't enjoyed myself so much in years

Keep persevering, its worth it

Grant

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, you wrote:

  Dunno, but I am going to reinstall 7.1 on my system since trying to get
 kde2 to work seems impossible on my system too. Seemed odd yesterday though
 that kde.org had rc2 version and mandrake packages were there and they are
 all date stamped 10/13 however the packages wont install since I installed
 the ones from cooker (which are older in date) but the cooker files are
 claimed newer according to rpm. Cooker dates are 10/6 and 10/10 it seems.
 How could these files be a higher rev package when they are date stamped
 earlier ??
 Maybe it is time to install RH on my primary machine, it is on my secondary
 machine with no probs then again, i dont install many things on it
 either cause I do like Mandrake


 -Original Message-
 From: Leopold Palomo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:11 PM
 To: Expert
 Subject: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


 Dear people,

 I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
 the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I
 would like to test the kde2, but all the time  that I have tried to do
 it, I have had problems.

 Could anyone help me in that?

 All comments will be welcome.

 Best regards,
 Leo



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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread GrAnT GaLbRaiTh

and glide_V3 and the latest 2.2.17 kernel to go with alsa ... kups 

it does go on but it's worth it

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, you wrote:

  Yes it does take a lot of additional packages, like pam, bzip2, qt 2.2.1,
 menu, mandrake_desk, alsa (it seems), rpm 3.05 (for some packages), and the
 devel packages for a lot of the above and of course the kde2 files.


 -Original Message-
 From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:26 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

 So sprach Leopold Palomo am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:10:59AM +0200:
  Dear people,
 
  I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
  the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I

 Well, you surely can install KDE2 on Mdk 7.1, but it may very well be that
 you also have to install a lot of other new stuff.  What's holding you from
 fullfilling all the requirements?

 Alexander Skwar


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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Michael Dolan

this is where KDE needs a company/group like helix code. Installation of
helix code is that simple its not funny.
maybe if no group or company is willing to do it then KDE might want to
think about doing it themselves

- Original Message -
From: "GrAnT GaLbRaiTh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


 and glide_V3 and the latest 2.2.17 kernel to go with alsa ... kups

 it does go on but it's worth it

 On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, you wrote:

   Yes it does take a lot of additional packages, like pam, bzip2, qt
2.2.1,
  menu, mandrake_desk, alsa (it seems), rpm 3.05 (for some packages), and
the
  devel packages for a lot of the above and of course the kde2 files.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:26 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?
 
  So sprach Leopold Palomo am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:10:59AM +0200:
   Dear people,
  
   I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
   the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and
I
 
  Well, you surely can install KDE2 on Mdk 7.1, but it may very well be
that
  you also have to install a lot of other new stuff.  What's holding you
from
  fullfilling all the requirements?
 
  Alexander Skwar

 
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RE: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS

I do agree there. I installed Helix-Gnome with no probs.
I actually went to bed and in the morning, there it was
with all the latest greatest of whatever it needed to make
it happen. If KDE had an updater they would have a very nice
package. I do however like Evolution for Gnome, as I have to 
use Outlook at the base here, it comes closest to it, and real 
conveinent. Still don't know why the packages on kde.org for 
Mandrake are newer time stamp, but yet older packages according 
to rpm.

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dolan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 9:04 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


this is where KDE needs a company/group like helix code. Installation of
helix code is that simple its not funny.
maybe if no group or company is willing to do it then KDE might want to
think about doing it themselves

- Original Message -
From: "GrAnT GaLbRaiTh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


 and glide_V3 and the latest 2.2.17 kernel to go with alsa ... kups

 it does go on but it's worth it

 On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, you wrote:

   Yes it does take a lot of additional packages, like pam, bzip2, qt
2.2.1,
  menu, mandrake_desk, alsa (it seems), rpm 3.05 (for some packages), and
the
  devel packages for a lot of the above and of course the kde2 files.
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 6:26 PM
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?
 
  So sprach Leopold Palomo am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:10:59AM +0200:
   Dear people,
  
   I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
   the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and
I
 
  Well, you surely can install KDE2 on Mdk 7.1, but it may very well be
that
  you also have to install a lot of other new stuff.  What's holding you
from
  fullfilling all the requirements?
 
  Alexander Skwar

 
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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach GrAnT GaLbRaiTh am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 11:41:37PM +1100:
 it does go on but it's worth it

Yup, if you like KDE (I don't) you're right.  It's for sure a lot nicer than
KDE 1.1.2ยท

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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 08:19:04AM -0400:
 Yes it does take a lot of additional packages, like pam, bzip2, qt 2.2.1, menu, 
 mandrake_desk, alsa (it seems), rpm 3.05 (for some packages), and the devel packages 
 for a lot of the above and of course the kde2 files.

So?  You want the latest, you need to install the latest.  Those
dependencies are in there for a reason!

Alexander Skwar
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RE: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS

Geez, if I sounded like I was complaining about downloading all the 
extra packages, sorry. I was just merely replying to a message.
It would however have been nice to have it posted as to what packages
I needed to prepare for battle, rather than going in blindfolded!
:)

-Original Message-
From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:06 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?


So sprach Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 08:19:04AM -0400:
 Yes it does take a lot of additional packages, like pam, bzip2, qt 2.2.1, menu, 
 mandrake_desk, alsa (it seems), rpm 3.05 (for some packages), and the devel packages 
 for a lot of the above and of course the kde2 files.

So?  You want the latest, you need to install the latest.  Those
dependencies are in there for a reason!

Alexander Skwar
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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Leopold Palomo

Oh, oh, oh.

It seams that have been a controversial thread

Well, I think that I was a bit bare in my message.

Dear Mark Polsen, thanks for your answer, but I have read the file README file at

ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/distribution/2.0RC2/rpm/Mandrake/README

and of course that it says that the only dependency problem is  Mandrake_Desk and menu.
But, if you want to install menu, it says:

[root@hoth kde]# rpm -i menu-2.1.5-41mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
rpm = 3.0.5-22mdk is needed by menu-2.1.5-41mdk
libbz2.so.1 is needed by menu-2.1.5-41mdk

And after to trying to install install  rpm-3.0.5-26mdk.i586.rpm,

[root@hoth kde]# rpm -i rpm-3.0.5-26mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:
libbz2.so.1 is needed by rpm-3.0.5-26mdk
menu  2.1.5-29mdk conflicts with rpm-3.0.5-26mdk


So, I'm sorry, but I'm not very happy.

Warren Doney has written a good link at:

http://virtualartisans.com/linux/mandrake/


Thanks Warren, I have looked it, and I will try to follow all the points.

Alexander Skwar, I'm sorry, but my poor level of english do that I don't understand 
this
sentence,

 What's holding you from fullfilling all the requirements?

so, please, what does it means??


GrAnT GaLbRaiTh have writen a interesting mail. Ok, but you have installed the mdk 7.2
beta, and I not. It's not the same version.
However, I will try to force to install it,  and trace all the dependencies.

And in another mail, Alexander Skwar said:

So?  You want the latest, you need to install the latest.  Those
dependencies are in there for a reason!

I don't think that it's a correct position. With Gnome it was very easy (more or less) 
to
install it. Why not with kde? There are a lot of differences between rpm 3.05 and the
package of the mdk 7.1??

Well, I finish, thanks to all for all the messages. I would like that the mandrake team
pay attention in this class of things.

Best regards,

Leo

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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-17 Thread Asheesh Laroia

On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Leopold Palomo wrote:
 error: failed dependencies:
 rpm = 3.0.5-22mdk is needed by menu-2.1.5-41mdk
 libbz2.so.1 is needed by menu-2.1.5-41mdk

 [root@hoth kde]# rpm -i rpm-3.0.5-26mdk.i586.rpm
 error: failed dependencies:
 libbz2.so.1 is needed by rpm-3.0.5-26mdk
 menu  2.1.5-29mdk conflicts with rpm-3.0.5-26mdk


So.  . . . .


Get the newest bzip2-* packages from cooker.
Get the newest menu* packages from cooker.
Get the newest rpm-* packages from cooker.
Gather up all your KDE rpms.

Then. . . .


rpm -Uvh bzip2-* rpm-* menu*


(You might need to make a symbolic link to "libbz2.so.1" called
"libbz2.so.0" in /usr/lib to satisfy other prgrams.  If other packages
complain about that, just use the "--nodeps" flag.)

Then . . . .


Install those KDE packages using "rpm -Uvh".  Might take some time.


Better solution, if you have a broadband net connection (or if you trust
your current one for a night's downloading):

Get the newest MandrakeUpdate from cooker.  Install it, and all its
dependencies.  Then set it to make your machine run cooker.  You'll have a
blast.  I'm doing so right now from 7.2 beta2.

Best of luck.

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Re: [expert] Is kde2 only for mkd 7.2?

2000-10-16 Thread Alexander Skwar

So sprach Leopold Palomo am Tue, Oct 17, 2000 at 12:10:59AM +0200:
 Dear people,
 
 I would like to install the last version of kde2 (rc2) and I hall all
 the time problems with the dependencies. I have installed mdk 7.1, and I

Well, you surely can install KDE2 on Mdk 7.1, but it may very well be that
you also have to install a lot of other new stuff.  What's holding you from
fullfilling all the requirements?

Alexander Skwar
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