Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Lorne... On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:23 pm, Lorne wrote: I hate to disparidge ATI. I DID use an ATI card for about year. It was always a fight though. My XP box hung on a regular basis. I initially blamed the other hardware. After an annoying 6 months, I tried it on my wife's machine. Same thing. It was a Dell dude. I then tried it on my son's After reading about the number of incompatibility issues (translated to mean it doesn't work with this platform) and trying it initially with XP, I finally dumped XP entirely and stuck with Windows 98. This was, of course, just shortly after XP arrived. *Never*, ever ever use a Microsoft product when it is a relative newcomer. You have to wait for the patches and upgrades to arrive before you can use it. sly grin machine. Even worse. Bought complete new hardware. Newer machine for poppa. :) Same crap, except MUCH MUCH worse. I of course blamed it on the motherboard. Took it back and got another. Same thing. Changed motherboard brands. I mean BAD! By this time, I'm starting to doubt that everybody is wrong but ATI. I bumped into a young fellow at the computer store and he about spit out his soda when I said I was trying to use ATI. He said Nvidia was the way to go. I knew from past experience that Hauppage was good, so returned the ATI card, got the original MB back, got a T4400? Nvidia card with 128mb of ram and BAM! Not a whit of problems since. So there you have See? If I had discovered this forum before now, I would have already made the transition to Hauppage a long time ago. However, through patching and perseverence, I now have the ATI All-in-Wonder-Pro AGP working fine under Linux. If anyone else wants to know the mystical secrets to success, I'll post them here, otherwise keep them to myself. (It takes less than five minutes, based upon my experience). my tail of woe. I don't know if they take short cuts with their stuff, but if you look at their drivers, they are constantly updating fixing, fixing again, updating What is wrong with this picture? Folks are having grief with them! I just don't have the time or patience anymore. Were it not for getting it work under Linux, it would have gone into the rather large box in the closet marked FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT written on the outside. Migod, there are things in that box I haven't even *touched* in over five years. Some development process, huh? 8- Do they work. yes, but how stable are they? I'm sure that on some combinationof hardware they are wonderful. But this is my experience. Of course I'm glad you had a good experience with tech support. I sure hope they have improved from what I got. They won't last long if they don't get it together. IMHO. You are quite right. I got lucky the one time, but since I am considering building a really high-end workstation by the beginning of spring, you can bet I will be purchasing a Hauppage TV card to go with it for my own use. Getting the ATI working for a customer actually *addicted* me to television and video on the desktop. However, to avoid the moderator's wrath, perhaps we should start a scholarly discussion of how to get streaming video working under Mandrake Linux and KDE, perhaps. I still haven't begun to explore/exploit that one yet, as I understand it requires a kernel patch, something I'm *never* fond of doing unless it is mandatory. 8-) What the heck, the week's young, isn't it? 8-) Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic random thought For the Minute: marriage, n.: Convertible bonds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LrLGaE1ENZP1A28RAtGYAKC+oVp2+NnrnQ8SveG+eFwR3oeeQACeO+hf mASwxCVSOjeQDfKV9S/Zrbs= =iymU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
I for one would love to hear how you got ATIs to work under Mandrake. I used an old Rage AIW years ago with small problems but when I went to install software for a Radeon 7500 AIW I felt myself slipping down a DRM path upon which I would prefer not to go. I have been following VideoLAN for a couple of years and never found the motivation to overcome the initial obstacles. I see lots of applications for classroom use. Jim Tarvid On Wednesday 22 January 2003 10:03 am, Dave Laird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Lorne... On Tuesday 21 January 2003 07:23 pm, Lorne wrote: I hate to disparidge ATI. I DID use an ATI card for about year. It was always a fight though. My XP box hung on a regular basis. I initially blamed the other hardware. After an annoying 6 months, I tried it on my wife's machine. Same thing. It was a Dell dude. I then tried it on my son's After reading about the number of incompatibility issues (translated to mean it doesn't work with this platform) and trying it initially with XP, I finally dumped XP entirely and stuck with Windows 98. This was, of course, just shortly after XP arrived. *Never*, ever ever use a Microsoft product when it is a relative newcomer. You have to wait for the patches and upgrades to arrive before you can use it. sly grin machine. Even worse. Bought complete new hardware. Newer machine for poppa. :) Same crap, except MUCH MUCH worse. I of course blamed it on the motherboard. Took it back and got another. Same thing. Changed motherboard brands. I mean BAD! By this time, I'm starting to doubt that everybody is wrong but ATI. I bumped into a young fellow at the computer store and he about spit out his soda when I said I was trying to use ATI. He said Nvidia was the way to go. I knew from past experience that Hauppage was good, so returned the ATI card, got the original MB back, got a T4400? Nvidia card with 128mb of ram and BAM! Not a whit of problems since. So there you have See? If I had discovered this forum before now, I would have already made the transition to Hauppage a long time ago. However, through patching and perseverence, I now have the ATI All-in-Wonder-Pro AGP working fine under Linux. If anyone else wants to know the mystical secrets to success, I'll post them here, otherwise keep them to myself. (It takes less than five minutes, based upon my experience). my tail of woe. I don't know if they take short cuts with their stuff, but if you look at their drivers, they are constantly updating fixing, fixing again, updating What is wrong with this picture? Folks are having grief with them! I just don't have the time or patience anymore. Were it not for getting it work under Linux, it would have gone into the rather large box in the closet marked FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT written on the outside. Migod, there are things in that box I haven't even *touched* in over five years. Some development process, huh? 8- Do they work. yes, but how stable are they? I'm sure that on some combinationof hardware they are wonderful. But this is my experience. Of course I'm glad you had a good experience with tech support. I sure hope they have improved from what I got. They won't last long if they don't get it together. IMHO. You are quite right. I got lucky the one time, but since I am considering building a really high-end workstation by the beginning of spring, you can bet I will be purchasing a Hauppage TV card to go with it for my own use. Getting the ATI working for a customer actually *addicted* me to television and video on the desktop. However, to avoid the moderator's wrath, perhaps we should start a scholarly discussion of how to get streaming video working under Mandrake Linux and KDE, perhaps. I still haven't begun to explore/exploit that one yet, as I understand it requires a kernel patch, something I'm *never* fond of doing unless it is mandatory. 8-) What the heck, the week's young, isn't it? 8-) Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic random thought For the Minute: marriage, n.: Convertible bonds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LrLGaE1ENZP1A28RAtGYAKC+oVp2+NnrnQ8SveG+eFwR3oeeQACeO+hf mASwxCVSOjeQDfKV9S/Zrbs= =iymU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
snip This was, of course, just shortly after XP arrived. *Never*, ever ever use a Microsoft product when it is a relative newcomer. You have to wait for the patches and upgrades to arrive before you can use it. sly grin I won't even go there, and if we want to try and save some bandwidth for the pay by the numbers folks no one else will either... SNIP However, through patching and perseverence, I now have the ATI All-in-Wonder-Pro AGP working fine under Linux. If anyone else wants to know the mystical secrets to success, I'll post them here, otherwise keep them to myself. (It takes less than five minutes, based upon my experience). Please do post them and maybe change the subject in the header or create a new thread completly with a subject like Howto get an ATIAll-in-Wonder-Pro AGP video setup and work correctly. snip Were it not for getting it work under Linux, it would have gone into the rather large box in the closet marked FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT written on the outside. Migod, there are things in that box I haven't even *touched* in over five years. Some development process, huh? 8- I like that name... mine is just dad's computer stuff... but FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT really shows classgrin snip However, to avoid the moderator's wrath, perhaps we should start a scholarly discussion of how to get streaming video working under Mandrake Linux and KDE, perhaps. I still haven't begun to explore/exploit that one yet, as I understand it requires a kernel patch, something I'm *never* fond of doing unless it is mandatory. 8-) What the heck, the week's young, isn't it? 8-) I don't think they moderate this list very much, if at all, in fact I am pretty damn sure that any Mandrakesoft employee looking at these lists (Newbie for sure,, expert,, maybe) does so on thier own time, and it is not in their job discriptions. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic random thought For the Minute: marriage, n.: Convertible bonds. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LrLGaE1ENZP1A28RAtGYAKC+oVp2+NnrnQ8SveG+eFwR3oeeQACeO+hf mASwxCVSOjeQDfKV9S/Zrbs= =iymU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
I have an AIW Radeon that I have never bothered to try TV with on Mandrake 9.0. Any tips on how you got this working for us other users? Perhaps you could post your procedure here. Thanks. Regards, Mike --- Dave Laird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Lorne... On Monday 20 January 2003 09:01 pm, Lorne wrote: I know this isn't what you are going to want to hear, but I've had Hauppauge PCI TV cards (Actually I have 3 of them currently) and I've had the ATI all in wonder radeon and a newer one a few months ago. I've had nothing but trouble with the ATI cards. I've had them in 4 different computers, XP, ME, and 98. Drivers don't matter. I had it up and running in I was somewhat *startled* to discover that the drivers for Windows 98 and Windows ME both had substantial problems. I sent the card back to ATI for replacement when the first card wouldn't initialize the BIOS. They were very good, actually, about troubleshooting the card, and about getting me another card. That *really* surprised me, given the bad experiences I had in the past. Linux 8.2, but it is was just flat erratic and unstable. Support for ATI sucks big time. Ever try to call those folks? I've fought with ATI products for 2 years now. I will never go back. I now have NVIDIA chipset video card and HAUPPAUGE tv card and have no problems at all in any OS I've choses so far. After getting this card working with xawtv earlier this evening, and after consideration of what praise you gave for Hauppage cards, I may simply get a Hauppage card for my own use. The guy whose system now has a working ATI card is happy, and now that I've had a bit of experience with xawtv and the interfaces involved, I'm feeling a lot more confident about it. I fairness I think the worst thing is their drivers, but who knows. Good luck man. Thanks. The ATI card is working, although perhaps not as well as I'd like it tow work. However, I think for my own use, I'm simply going to go get a Hauppage card and see how that works out. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/02/2003 Music Calendar Website: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html Usenet news server : news://news.kharma.net An automatic random thought For the Minute: bureaucracy, n: A method for transforming energy into solid waste. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LRH5aE1ENZP1A28RAuBgAJ9EYl7eCUg9l944cJFy7dlMpEEA2QCeJo6M VDiazywwaH/HLLkTczkbsdo= =AA5X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Tarvid... On Wednesday 22 January 2003 07:09 am, tarvid wrote: I have been following VideoLAN for a couple of years and never found the motivation to overcome the initial obstacles. I see lots of applications for classroom use. Apparently that is what my customer wants to do, as well, but in the corporate classroom. Apparently his employer has a closed-system TV circuit that runs throughout the building, and given they have a *few* Mandrake boxes on the LAN, they eventually want to make it work system-wide. I'm going to look a bit further into this, at my customer's urgings. Apparently their system admin doesn't like Linux, but everyone who uses Linux on the LAN are delighted beyond words by Mandrake and KDE. Works for me. 8-) Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic random thought For the Minute: Operator, please trace this call and tell me where I am. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LsSSaE1ENZP1A28RAr/jAJ47GrUrAGyCpu9o8MWdxIoC1JR2ywCeKyoP XQbMN2VG/ZVrpXyVd9Dzb9Q= =uLDs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good mawning... On Wednesday 22 January 2003 07:13 am, et wrote: I won't even go there, and if we want to try and save some bandwidth for the pay by the numbers folks no one else will either... My lips are sealed. grin Please do post them and maybe change the subject in the header or create a new thread completly with a subject like Howto get an ATIAll-in-Wonder-Pro AGP video setup and work correctly. It's done and in the queue. I saved the message as a text file, and if anyone is really interested I could even create a HOWTO file out of my experiences. It actually is pretty straightforward, once you get past the initial setup. Were it not for getting it work under Linux, it would have gone into the rather large box in the closet marked FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT written on the outside. Migod, there are things in that box I haven't even *touched* in over five years. Some development process, huh? 8- I like that name... mine is just dad's computer stuff... but FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT really shows classgrin Hey, I just sold a working used Promise 2000 MFM/RFM hard drive controller the other day to a guy doing some development work on an 8088 processor board. How many people you know of keep several of *THOSE* on hand for those late-night callers, huh? cackling with glee It *does* run Redhat Linux 5.2, I am told. I don't think they moderate this list very much, if at all, in fact I am pretty damn sure that any Mandrakesoft employee looking at these lists (Newbie for sure,, expert,, maybe) does so on thier own time, and it is not in their job discriptions. One of the people who answers the help desk e-mail is here, I know. This is actually a very informative list, all the way around, so I try to help where I can. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/20/2003 Year 2 of running Mandrake Linux workstation on a 100% Microsoft-free system. An automatic random thought For the Minute: Operator, please trace this call and tell me where I am. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LsYpaE1ENZP1A28RAogGAKC9OJNL0CDztvv4VUe5kc4eZwOxYgCeMpTI 2o3y3DBi54qFGQSbp1XQn0U= =vhQP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Lorne... On Monday 20 January 2003 09:01 pm, Lorne wrote: I know this isn't what you are going to want to hear, but I've had Hauppauge PCI TV cards (Actually I have 3 of them currently) and I've had the ATI all in wonder radeon and a newer one a few months ago. I've had nothing but trouble with the ATI cards. I've had them in 4 different computers, XP, ME, and 98. Drivers don't matter. I had it up and running in I was somewhat *startled* to discover that the drivers for Windows 98 and Windows ME both had substantial problems. I sent the card back to ATI for replacement when the first card wouldn't initialize the BIOS. They were very good, actually, about troubleshooting the card, and about getting me another card. That *really* surprised me, given the bad experiences I had in the past. Linux 8.2, but it is was just flat erratic and unstable. Support for ATI sucks big time. Ever try to call those folks? I've fought with ATI products for 2 years now. I will never go back. I now have NVIDIA chipset video card and HAUPPAUGE tv card and have no problems at all in any OS I've choses so far. After getting this card working with xawtv earlier this evening, and after consideration of what praise you gave for Hauppage cards, I may simply get a Hauppage card for my own use. The guy whose system now has a working ATI card is happy, and now that I've had a bit of experience with xawtv and the interfaces involved, I'm feeling a lot more confident about it. I fairness I think the worst thing is their drivers, but who knows. Good luck man. Thanks. The ATI card is working, although perhaps not as well as I'd like it tow work. However, I think for my own use, I'm simply going to go get a Hauppage card and see how that works out. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/02/2003 Music Calendar Website: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html Usenet news server : news://news.kharma.net An automatic random thought For the Minute: bureaucracy, n: A method for transforming energy into solid waste. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LRH5aE1ENZP1A28RAuBgAJ9EYl7eCUg9l944cJFy7dlMpEEA2QCeJo6M VDiazywwaH/HLLkTczkbsdo= =AA5X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
Some one should mention that the Hauppaugge cards are not compatible with ALI Motherboard chipsets from Acer Labs (Ali1 and ALI-magic) On Tuesday 21 January 2003 04:25 am, Dave Laird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, Lorne... On Monday 20 January 2003 09:01 pm, Lorne wrote: I know this isn't what you are going to want to hear, but I've had Hauppauge PCI TV cards (Actually I have 3 of them currently) and I've had the ATI all in wonder radeon and a newer one a few months ago. I've had nothing but trouble with the ATI cards. I've had them in 4 different computers, XP, ME, and 98. Drivers don't matter. I had it up and running in I was somewhat *startled* to discover that the drivers for Windows 98 and Windows ME both had substantial problems. I sent the card back to ATI for replacement when the first card wouldn't initialize the BIOS. They were very good, actually, about troubleshooting the card, and about getting me another card. That *really* surprised me, given the bad experiences I had in the past. Linux 8.2, but it is was just flat erratic and unstable. Support for ATI sucks big time. Ever try to call those folks? I've fought with ATI products for 2 years now. I will never go back. I now have NVIDIA chipset video card and HAUPPAUGE tv card and have no problems at all in any OS I've choses so far. After getting this card working with xawtv earlier this evening, and after consideration of what praise you gave for Hauppage cards, I may simply get a Hauppage card for my own use. The guy whose system now has a working ATI card is happy, and now that I've had a bit of experience with xawtv and the interfaces involved, I'm feeling a lot more confident about it. I fairness I think the worst thing is their drivers, but who knows. Good luck man. Thanks. The ATI card is working, although perhaps not as well as I'd like it tow work. However, I think for my own use, I'm simply going to go get a Hauppage card and see how that works out. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/02/2003 Music Calendar Website: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html Usenet news server : news://news.kharma.net An automatic random thought For the Minute: bureaucracy, n: A method for transforming energy into solid waste. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LRH5aE1ENZP1A28RAuBgAJ9EYl7eCUg9l944cJFy7dlMpEEA2QCeJo6M VDiazywwaH/HLLkTczkbsdo= =AA5X -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
On Tuesday 21 January 2003 02:25 am, Dave Laird wrote: Good morning, Lorne... On Monday 20 January 2003 09:01 pm, Lorne wrote: I know this isn't what you are going to want to hear, but I've had Hauppauge PCI TV cards (Actually I have 3 of them currently) and I've had the ATI all in wonder radeon and a newer one a few months ago. I've had nothing but trouble with the ATI cards. I've had them in 4 different computers, XP, ME, and 98. Drivers don't matter. I had it up and running in I was somewhat *startled* to discover that the drivers for Windows 98 and Windows ME both had substantial problems. I sent the card back to ATI for replacement when the first card wouldn't initialize the BIOS. They were very good, actually, about troubleshooting the card, and about getting me another card. That *really* surprised me, given the bad experiences I had in the past. Linux 8.2, but it is was just flat erratic and unstable. Support for ATI sucks big time. Ever try to call those folks? I've fought with ATI products for 2 years now. I will never go back. I now have NVIDIA chipset video card and HAUPPAUGE tv card and have no problems at all in any OS I've choses so far. After getting this card working with xawtv earlier this evening, and after consideration of what praise you gave for Hauppage cards, I may simply get a Hauppage card for my own use. The guy whose system now has a working ATI card is happy, and now that I've had a bit of experience with xawtv and the interfaces involved, I'm feeling a lot more confident about it. I fairness I think the worst thing is their drivers, but who knows. Good luck man. Thanks. The ATI card is working, although perhaps not as well as I'd like it tow work. However, I think for my own use, I'm simply going to go get a Hauppage card and see how that works out. I hate to disparidge ATI. I DID use an ATI card for about year. It was always a fight though. My XP box hung on a regular basis. I initially blamed the other hardware. After an annoying 6 months, I tried it on my wife's machine. Same thing. It was a Dell dude. I then tried it on my son's machine. Even worse. Bought complete new hardware. Newer machine for poppa. :) Same crap, except MUCH MUCH worse. I of course blamed it on the motherboard. Took it back and got another. Same thing. Changed motherboard brands. I mean BAD! By this time, I'm starting to doubt that everybody is wrong but ATI. I bumped into a young fellow at the computer store and he about spit out his soda when I said I was trying to use ATI. He said Nvidia was the way to go. I knew from past experience that Hauppage was good, so returned the ATI card, got the original MB back, got a T4400? Nvidia card with 128mb of ram and BAM! Not a whit of problems since. So there you have my tail of woe. I don't know if they take short cuts with their stuff, but if you look at their drivers, they are constantly updating fixing, fixing again, updating What is wrong with this picture? Folks are having grief with them! I just don't have the time or patience anymore. Do they work. yes, but how stable are they? I'm sure that on some combinationof hardware they are wonderful. But this is my experience. Of course I'm glad you had a good experience with tech support. I sure hope they have improved from what I got. They won't last long if they don't get it together. IMHO. Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, everyone... I have a customer who, against my better judgement, runs an ATI All-in-Wonder PCI TV card under Windows, and it works flawlessly using the default ATI software. Despite my comments about you are what you see he consistently spends 4-6 hours a day watching TV while doing various things in Windows. He can switch channels, grab picture frames from the TV, and all kinds of (I suppose) really neat things. Having seen my Mandrake a time or two, and being passably familiar with RedHat, he now wants to switch from Windows to Linux for a variety of reasons. Then there is the issue of that blasted TV card, and almost immediately I hit snags. Now I have invested over two days researching this matter, both on Mandrake and in other venues. Has anyone actually gotten a TV card, particularly an ATI-based card, actually working under Mandrake? Currently I am installing 9.0 but I would change that if someone has actually gotten it to work with another release. Dave I've been using a Hauppauge WinTV PCI card since mandrake 8.0 with no problems at all (using xawtv). Mark. - -- Mark Watts Systems Engineer QinetiQ TIM St Andrews Road, Malvern GPG Public Key available on request. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LCWiBn4EFUVUIO0RAjJ9AKDtPFVPsuMKitvSzPr9eWkFRkKTswCfX0vx WYnuvWUwwzPpYj15+ViTFDQ= =fPJG -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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not sure about the ATI (might see gatos) but the Hauppaugge winTV (bt848 chipsets) work great, right out of the install just scan to setup the channels On Monday 20 January 2003 10:58 am, Dave Laird wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Good morning, everyone... I have a customer who, against my better judgement, runs an ATI All-in-Wonder PCI TV card under Windows, and it works flawlessly using the default ATI software. Despite my comments about you are what you see he consistently spends 4-6 hours a day watching TV while doing various things in Windows. He can switch channels, grab picture frames from the TV, and all kinds of (I suppose) really neat things. Having seen my Mandrake a time or two, and being passably familiar with RedHat, he now wants to switch from Windows to Linux for a variety of reasons. Then there is the issue of that blasted TV card, and almost immediately I hit snags. Now I have invested over two days researching this matter, both on Mandrake and in other venues. Has anyone actually gotten a TV card, particularly an ATI-based card, actually working under Mandrake? Currently I am installing 9.0 but I would change that if someone has actually gotten it to work with another release. Dave - -- Dave Laird ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Used Kharma Lot / The Phoenix Project Web Page: http://www.kharma.net updated 01/02/2003 Music Calendar Website: http://www.kharma.net/calendar.html Usenet news server : news://news.kharma.net An automatic random thought For the Minute: zeal, n.: Quality seen in new graduates -- if you're quick. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+LBzDaE1ENZP1A28RAgH1AKCxXNS3qZSme3SfDxqF8lA1h8D/zgCfbVDw RZtFjCuQeeDzQFSN1SXVT00= =oCAz -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Dave Laird wrote: I have a customer who, against my better judgement, runs an ATI All-in-Wonder PCI TV card under Windows, and it works flawlessly using the default ATI software. Despite my comments about you are what you see he consistently spends 4-6 hours a day watching TV while doing various things in Windows. He can switch channels, grab picture frames from the TV, and all kinds of (I suppose) really neat things. Having seen my Mandrake a time or two, and being passably familiar with RedHat, he now wants to switch from Windows to Linux for a variety of reasons. Then there is the issue of that blasted TV card, and almost immediately I hit snags. Now I have invested over two days researching this matter, both on Mandrake and in other venues. Has anyone actually gotten a TV card, particularly an ATI-based card, actually working under Mandrake? Currently I am installing 9.0 but I would change that if someone has actually gotten it to work with another release. My All-In-Wonder AGP 128 works fine for TV and Composite/SVGA In. Recording does not work reliably. Screen captures need to be converted using some sort of YUV utility which I've never gotten to work. Note: This is using an older version of the software shipped with Mandrake 8.2 boxed version. Glitches: Channel changes cannot keep up with key presses so holding down a key to switch channels will lead to a few minutes of the software flipping channels until it catches up with the key presses. In some color modes there will be visual corruption of some window manager elements. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Dave Laird wrote:
I have a customer who, against my better judgement, runs an ATI All-in-Wonder
PCI TV card under Windows, and it works flawlessly using the default ATI
software. Despite my comments about you are what you see he consistently
spends 4-6 hours a day watching TV while doing various things in Windows.
He can switch channels, grab picture frames from the TV, and all kinds of (I
suppose) really neat things. Having seen my Mandrake a time or two, and being
passably familiar with RedHat, he now wants to switch from Windows to Linux
for a variety of reasons. Then there is the issue of that blasted TV card,
and almost immediately I hit snags.
Now I have invested over two days researching this matter, both on Mandrake
and in other venues. Has anyone actually gotten a TV card, particularly an
ATI-based card, actually working under Mandrake? Currently I am installing
9.0 but I would change that if someone has actually gotten it to work with
another release.
My All-In-Wonder AGP 128 works fine for TV and Composite/SVGA In. Recording
does not work reliably. Screen captures need to be converted using some
sort of YUV utility which I've never gotten to work. Note: This is
using an older version of the software shipped with Mandrake 8.2 boxed
version.
Glitches: Channel changes cannot keep up with key presses so holding
down a key to switch channels will lead to a few minutes of the
software flipping channels until it catches up with the key presses. In
some color modes there will be visual corruption of some window manager
elements.
Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
For recording tv with any working tv card, I recommend using mencoder.
It can handle nicely tv, and can use ffmpeg encoders to compress image
in real time (depending on the power of your CPU, choose your codec wisely)
Try that script :
#!/bin/sh
case $1 in
1 ) channel=53
chaine=bbc1 ;;
2 ) channel=60
chaine=bbc2 ;;
3 ) channel=55
chaine=itv ;;
4 ) channel=50
chaine=c4 ;;
* ) echo unknown channel
exit ;;
esac
echo Presser ENTREE pour démarrer l'enregistrement de $chaine...
read
mencoder -tv
on:Driver=v4l:input=0:norm=SECAM:channel=$channel:width=768:height=576
-vop pp=hb/vb/dr/al/lb -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg -o
${chaine}.avi
Notes :
If you have no sound : think to increase IGain value in aumix; this
script uses libmp3lib0 to work (in PLF)
You can use frequence value with freq= instead of channel=
You can simply play TV with that command too :
mplayer -tv
on:Driver=v4l:input=0:norm=SECAM:freq=$1:width=768:height=576 -vo sdl
-ao sdl -vop pp=hb/vb/dr/al/lb
Read man mplayer for other options
Eric
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Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
For recording tv with any working tv card, I recommend using mencoder.
It can handle nicely tv, and can use ffmpeg encoders to compress image
in real time (depending on the power of your CPU, choose your codec
wisely)
Try that script :
#!/bin/sh
case $1 in
1 ) channel=53
chaine=bbc1 ;;
2 ) channel=60
chaine=bbc2 ;;
3 ) channel=55
chaine=itv ;;
4 ) channel=50
chaine=c4 ;;
* ) echo unknown channel
exit ;;
esac
echo Presser ENTREE pour démarrer l'enregistrement de $chaine...
read
mencoder -tv
on:Driver=v4l:input=0:norm=SECAM:channel=$channel:width=768:height=576
-vop pp=hb/vb/dr/al/lb -oac mp3lame -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mjpeg
-o ${chaine}.avi
Notes :
If you have no sound : think to increase IGain value in aumix; this
script uses libmp3lib0 to work (in PLF)
You can use frequence value with freq= instead of channel=
You can simply play TV with that command too :
mplayer -tv
on:Driver=v4l:input=0:norm=SECAM:freq=$1:width=768:height=576 -vo sdl
-ao sdl -vop pp=hb/vb/dr/al/lb
Read man mplayer for other options
Eric
Sorry, I left a message in French, which means Press ENTER to start
recording...
It may be removed, of course.
Moreover these channels are not realistic : they correspond to UK TV, so
norm=PAL should be used, and the channel numbers are not exact. But it
was just an example... norm=SECAM is just for France (and some African
countries).
Eric
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Re: [expert] TV Cards under Mandrake...
On Monday 20 January 2003 08:58 am, Dave Laird wrote: Good morning, everyone... I have a customer who, against my better judgement, runs an ATI All-in-Wonder PCI TV card under Windows, and it works flawlessly using the default ATI software. Despite my comments about you are what you see he consistently spends 4-6 hours a day watching TV while doing various things in Windows. He can switch channels, grab picture frames from the TV, and all kinds of (I suppose) really neat things. Having seen my Mandrake a time or two, and being passably familiar with RedHat, he now wants to switch from Windows to Linux for a variety of reasons. Then there is the issue of that blasted TV card, and almost immediately I hit snags. Now I have invested over two days researching this matter, both on Mandrake and in other venues. Has anyone actually gotten a TV card, particularly an ATI-based card, actually working under Mandrake? Currently I am installing 9.0 but I would change that if someone has actually gotten it to work with another release. I know this isn't what you are going to want to hear, but I've had Hauppauge PCI TV cards (Actually I have 3 of them currently) and I've had the ATI all in wonder radeon and a newer one a few months ago. I've had nothing but trouble with the ATI cards. I've had them in 4 different computers, XP, ME, and 98. Drivers don't matter. I had it up and running in Linux 8.2, but it is was just flat erratic and unstable. Support for ATI sucks big time. Ever try to call those folks? I've fought with ATI products for 2 years now. I will never go back. I now have NVIDIA chipset video card and HAUPPAUGE tv card and have no problems at all in any OS I've choses so far. I fairness I think the worst thing is their drivers, but who knows. Good luck man. Dave Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [expert] TV Cards
I have a Hauppaggue Win TV w/radio. I use KDE and I like KwinTV real well. Wish I could get "Real" full screen though. Brian D. Klar - CVE OTS WPAFB (937)257-5773 937-973-3125 (Pager) -Original Message- From: Wayne Petherick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] TV Cards I know that many people on these lists are using TV tuner cards for TVunder Linux and was wondering what cards work and what software you are using to run them? Any help would be appreciated as I am thinking of investing in a card for my Linux box. Yet again, looking for one more thing I don't have to rely on Wind'ohs for... Wayne
RE: [expert] TV Cards
I switched to xawtv (from kwintv) as it is a bit more stable than kwintv, almost everything has a keyboard shortcut and true fullscreen works quite well (Ctl - alt - - to get to a lower resolution, then the F key in xawtv switches to fullscreen mode). I'm using a plain vanilla Hauppauge WinTV card. Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SWS Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 5:49 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [expert] TV Cards I have a Hauppaggue Win TV w/radio. I use KDE and I like KwinTV real well. Wish I could get "Real" full screen though. Brian D. Klar - CVE OTS WPAFB (937)257-5773 937-973-3125 (Pager) -Original Message- From: Wayne Petherick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 12:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] TV Cards I know that many people on these lists are using TV tuner cards for TVunder Linux and was wondering what cards work and what software you are using to run them? Any help would be appreciated as I am thinking of investing in a card for my Linux box. Yet again, looking for one more thing I don't have to rely on Wind'ohs for... Wayne
Re: [expert] TV Cards
Check out http://www.metzlerbros.de/bttv.html Dana Wayne Petherick wrote: I know that many people on these lists are using TV tuner cards for TVunder Linux and was wondering what cards work and what software you are using to run them?
