Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:56:43 + "C. CLOSE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > >Thanks to Benjamin for the tip on XFCE it's quick and clean but I > Has anyone else seen this behaviour??? Can it be fixed?? > Colin, Just a comment on Marks' reply about CPU cycles. I think he'd looking/pointing in the right direction. I have a continuing problem on one of my machines with the same type of behaviour. It's an AMD K6-2/500 running basically stock 7.1 and KDE 1.99 (I think) BUT and this is the important bit - there's only 32Mb of ram and it's slow ram to boot. My other beast is a Pentium 133 with 64Mb and side by side the Pentium is considerably faster than the AMD for many things, StarOffice 5.2 takes just under 6 minutes to become useable on the AMD compared with a little over 2 minutes on the Pentium. I guess the only comment is something like --- Go Figure !! Only our selected Diety knows what's going to happen when I upgrade the AMD to 7.2 or even 8.0 Cheers John --- Mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The number of UNIX installations has grown to 10, with more expected" (The UNIX Programmer's Manual, 2nd Edition, June 1972.)
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Colin, This sounds more like a problem with your system rather then with the interface. Like your CPU is already full and there just aren't enough cycles free to accomodate the current window or app that you're attempting to use. Mark "C. CLOSE" wrote: > > Hi All, > > Thanks to Benjamin for the tip on XFCE it's quick and clean but I >have > one small problem with it. I am not sure whether specific to my > installation or whether anyone else is seeing it; I open the file > manager and open say /usr/bin when I try and scroll the list of files it > seems to do it in jumps with long period 5-6 second between jumps the > problem is even worse on a mounted CD. I know /usr/bin is a large > directory and even ls shows some delay before listing it and that CDROMS > are slow devices but what I am seeing make the file manager almost > unusable on any directory with a significant number of entries. > > Has anyone else seen this behaviour??? Can it be fixed?? > > Regards, > > Colin Close
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 10:36:27PM -0600, Benjamin Sher wrote: > Dear friends: > > TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS: > > If you are interested in trying out XFCE, please do NOT use the by now > old version in LM7.2. Instead, download the latest RH > xfce-3.7.2-1.i386.rpm. That's what I am using. I got xfce-3.7.2-1mdk.i586.rpm from cooker. > After installing xfce by rpm or by tar or whatever, be sure to run the > xfce_setup program as USER: > > $xfce_setup > > WARNING for Linux-Mandrake users (perhaps for other distros as well): > > Since XFCE is not listed on the graphical login menu, you will need to > access it from the console. When you do, please remember to type the > SINGLE word: > > $startxfce > > That is, NOT "startx xfce". There is an apparent and very mysterious bug > in Mandrake which causes "startx xfce" to launch the ICEWM window > manager INSTEAD of xfce. So, please remember the one word command as > user: On my system the cooker rpm added Xfce to the graphical login menu. It starts like any other WM. > > $startxfce > > Well, that's it. Hope you give XFCE a try. It's well worth it. And it's > a damn shame that Linux Mandrake does not install it by default. If you > like it, you might wish to let them know how you feel about it. > At first glance it seems as fast as Blackbox, but I haven't configured icons for staroffice etc yet. Anyway, thanks for the tip. -- Dennis Robertson 2/2 Sylvia Street NOOSAVILLE QLD 4566 Phone: 61 7 54742343 Mob: 0419 535539
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Dear Stephen: You are very welcome. And you are welcome to join my xfce-new mailing list. See my letter to the Mandrake lists. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Hi again Benjamin, Thanks for the tip about the extras for XFCE - I downloaded them and my desktop is looking very cool. Thanks again. Stephen -- Q===Q | Stephen Horton:-) | | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Website: http://www.wem.clara.net | Q===Q
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Dear Colin and friends: Best thing to do if you have any problems with XFTree, xfce's limited file manager, is to add a menu entry to the toolbar/panel for Konqueror. In the command line type: kdesu /usr/bin/konqueror If you just type /usr/bin/konqueror, you will only be able to use Konqueror as a user. By adding kdesu as above, it will bring up a dialogue box. If you want to do any editing only in your home directory (as user), you can just click on "Ignore". If you want to use it as root, type in your password. Of course, just to see any file anywhere, you can still click Ignore and use it as user. By the way, you can this with any application and in any desktop, I imagine. kdesu is, after all, a KDE utility. You can do the same with the terminal. You can right-click on the big Xterm icon on the toolbar, and replace the command line with "konsole" and the label, too. This will bring up the much more useful "konsole". Once again, you can also type in the command line kdesu /usr/bin/konsole to have the option of using it as user or root. Or you can add Konsole as a menu entry to the XFCE toolbar/panel. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Hi All, Thanks to Benjamin for the tip on XFCE it's quick and clean but I have one small problem with it. I am not sure whether specific to my installation or whether anyone else is seeing it; I open the file manager and open say /usr/bin when I try and scroll the list of files it seems to do it in jumps with long period 5-6 second between jumps the problem is even worse on a mounted CD. I know /usr/bin is a large directory and even ls shows some delay before listing it and that CDROMS are slow devices but what I am seeing make the file manager almost unusable on any directory with a significant number of entries. Has anyone else seen this behaviour??? Can it be fixed?? Regards, Colin Close
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 03:35:12PM -0600 or thereabouts, Benjamin Sher wrote: > Dear Stephen: Good call guys. This is really nice, am d/l it now... good find.. thanks > Welcome aboard! By the way, you can download a file of extra pallette -- Best regards, Gary Today's thought: Before you criticize someone walk a mile in his shoes. That way if he gets angry he'll be a mile away -- and barefoot.
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Dear Stephen: Welcome aboard! By the way, you can download a file of extra pallette textures for your Setup, Palette. Go to the http://www.xfce.org home page and look for the file somewhere at the bottom of the page. It is in tar.gz format. But very easy to install. Just copy it to /usr/share/xfce And now untar it: tar -xzf x.tar.gz That's it. No need to do another thing. Open up your Setup, Palette and you'll see the new textures under Argon-abc, Argon-cde, etc. I personally like to use the Toulouse images under backdrop. Click with your mouse on the desktop, choose backdrop and you'll find four lovely pictures of Toulouse, France. Benjamin -- Sher's Russian Web http://www.websher.net Benjamin and Anna Sher [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Hi Benjamin and All, I've been using XFCE for about two months now and have just upgraded to the latest version. Excellent bit of kit - fast, small, stable and pretty. I think it is definitely worth a try. Regards, Stephen On Sat, 17 Mar 2001, Benjamin Sher wrote: > Dear friends: > > We all know about KDE and Gnome. Some have even heard of Window Maker, > Sawfish, Enlightenment, Icewm and Blackbox, all of which are listed on > Mandrake's graphical login menu and all of which are installed by > default. > > Realizing that the days of my AMD k6-2 400 mhrtz with 128 megs of RAM > are numbered, I have been exploring the past week other desktops and > window managers that can give me the full range of Linux, including all > of KDE and Gnome, X and console. I tried all of the above and was not > quite satisfied. And then I discovered, hidden deep in Linux-Mandrake > 7.2's own CD's under Graphical Desktops (Other), a wonderful desktop > environment called XFCE. It is a beautifully designed desktop, bold and > original, featuring a toolbar concept (instead of a panel/taskbar) with > pop-up menus for icons and with desktop menus for all of KDE and Gnome > applications. It is very intuitive and allows full configuration and > customization right down to the color of your menu background and menu > text and a full theme manager. And you can get tech support from its > mailing lists. Yet, the whole program is under 20 MB instead of the 127 > megs of KDE or Gnome. It launches very fast from the console. > > A picture is worth a thousand words. Go to XFCE's home page at > http://www.xfce.org and look at the following snapshots of actual xfce > desktop themes: > > 1) Five user-contributed snapshots at http://www.xfce.org > > 2) Ten more user-contributed snapshots at: > http://www.xfce.org/usersnaps.html > > 3) Twelve more user-contributed snapshots at > http://www.xfce.org/usersnaps2.html > > I think you will be very impressed by what you see. > > > TECHNICAL CONSIDERATIONS: > > If you are interested in trying out XFCE, please do NOT use the by now > old version in LM7.2. Instead, download the latest RH > xfce-3.7.2-1.i386.rpm. That's what I am using. > > After installing xfce by rpm or by tar or whatever, be sure to run the > xfce_setup program as USER: > > $xfce_setup > > It only takes 3 seconds. You can also run the xfce_default script. But I > would recommend not doing so until you are quite certain that you want > xfce as your default desktop, If, for any reason you do end up with xfce > as default and you want to switch, just type, again, as USER, > > $xfce_remove > > And then you can still keep your xfce settings but are free to use any > other desktop or window manager of your choice. > > WARNING for Linux-Mandrake users (perhaps for other distros as well): > > Since XFCE is not listed on the graphical login menu, you will need to > access it from the console. When you do, please remember to type the > SINGLE word: > > $startxfce > > That is, NOT "startx xfce". There is an apparent and very mysterious bug > in Mandrake which causes "startx xfce" to launch the ICEWM window > manager INSTEAD of xfce. So, please remember the one word command as > user: > > $startxfce > > Well, that's it. Hope you give XFCE a try. It's well worth it. And it's > a damn shame that Linux Mandrake does not install it by default. If you > like it, you might wish to let them know how you feel about it. > > Benjamin > > > > -- Q===Q | Stephen Horton:-) | | E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Website: http://www.wem.clara.net | Q===Q
RE: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
> Thanks for the heads up on this...up until reading your post I had never > used this WM. It's quite nice and indeed light. And it's even part of > the menu on the graphical login. I don't know how I missed all this > time. Hi ! Yes - this is indeed a very promising and powerfull WM !! (this is the first WM that can run xine without any dropped frames while having many apps running at the same time !!!) ... But I have a little problem running it on the LM 7.2 I have downloaded the latest version (3.7.2) from xfce.org and I cannot get the textured color palletes to work - I had to add this parameter "--enable-old-style" to "./configure" script ... Anyone has this problem as well ? It seems to be related to xpm library problem (convert xpm to pixmap) ... I have even tried the 3.8 from their anonymous CVS but with no luck ... p.f. RNDr. Peter FREIMANN, ICQ# 1181033 tel: 0602-464-800, 0331-362375 ESNET s.r.o.(Internet provider) http://www.esnet.cz nam. Miru 138, 377 01 Jindrichuv Hradec e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [expert] XFCE -- the little engine that could!
Ben, Thanks for the heads up on this...up until reading your post I had never used this WM. It's quite nice and indeed light. And it's even part of the menu on the graphical login. I don't know how I missed all this time. Mark
