Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
Mark Weaver wrote: in a word, No. Not only is Wine unstable to varying degrees, depending upon your particular systems' hardware and other factors involved, there are still quite a few memory address problems that need to be addressed. Just these issues alone would make this application of Wine not only unbearable, but very unlikely. More significantly perhaps, Wine only supports Windows apps, not Windows drivers or VXDs. The only solution to the Winmodem problem is to be very careful and buy one of the very few that has Linux support (see www.linmodems.org, link from there to winmodem site). Or better, buy a real modem. Checking for DOS support for your modem is not a bad first step, if it works with DOS it should work with Linux. Mark Stefan Srdic wrote: I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- Richard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.orchestream.com Tel: +44 (0)20 7348 1507 (direct) Orchestream Ltd. +44 (0)20 7348 1500 (switchboard)Avon House, Kensington Village, Fax: +44 (0)20 7348 1501 Avonmore Road London W14 8TS, UK Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
Tom Massey wrote: Stefan Srdic wrote: I guess I'll just have to go out and return my WinModem garbage for a serial modem :-D I was only curious because I am way to cheap to buy another modem!! Thanks for your input guys Before you get rid of it, have you checked out http://linmodems.org? Do you know what sort of Winmodem you've got? Some have Linux drivers now. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Not AOpen Modems!! Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
As a matter of fact it "might" work, but the only apps that would be able to make use of that connection would be the ones being run "inside" the guest OS and none residing on the host OS. And the performance is already bad enough to make using even VMware something that you soon come to the point of using only when it's absolutely a necessity. It's still far cheaper and easier to purchase a new modem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess would be no. Wine is used to emulate an environment for an application, not create a complete Windows environment. A winmodem needs driver support that a simple emulator can't deliver. On the other hand, if you use a package like VMware, now that should likely work. - Glen Adams Network Specialist I2 Technologies Stefan Srdic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [expert] A very good WINE questions kesoft.com 09/11/00 12:07 AM Please respond to expert I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
RE: [expert] A very good WINE questions
The modem will NOT work in VMWare. VMware can only provide access to hardware that the host operating system recognizes and has drivers for. This is because VMWare simply emulates those host devices as something the guest OS can handle. VMWare cannot provide direct access to anything for its guest OS, nor would Linux allow it. Matthew Zaleski -Original Message- From: Mark Weaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 3:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions As a matter of fact it "might" work, but the only apps that would be able to make use of that connection would be the ones being run "inside" the guest OS and none residing on the host OS. And the performance is already bad enough to make using even VMware something that you soon come to the point of using only when it's absolutely a necessity. It's still far cheaper and easier to purchase a new modem. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My guess would be no. Wine is used to emulate an environment for an application, not create a complete Windows environment. A winmodem needs driver support that a simple emulator can't deliver. On the other hand, if you use a package like VMware, now that should likely work. - Glen Adams Network Specialist I2 Technologies Stefan Srdic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] A very good WINE questions kesoft.com 09/11/00 12:07 AM Please respond to expert I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. -- -- Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
- Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions Surprisingly they actually do work, albeit V...e...r...y s...l...o...w...l...y Way too slowly to be considered usable by any standard. Some software modems _can_ work as 1200 baud modems with no error correction or compression. That would be great for a VIC-20, but worthless for the rest of the world. Hoyt Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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I believe that some hardware is actually directly accessed by VMWare, and not through the kernel. I guess about this after using it a couple of months ago with some issue that I can't remember to save my life. - Original Message - From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions Surprisingly they actually do work, albeit V...e...r...y s...l...o...w...l...y Way too slowly to be considered usable by any standard. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message... | Registered Linux user #182496 On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Scott Patten wrote: As a matter of fact it "might" work, but the only apps that would be able to make use of that connection would be the ones being run "inside" the guest OS and none residing on the host OS. And the performance is already bad enough to make using even VMware something that you soon come to the point of using only when it's absolutely a necessity. I doubt VMware would work for this. It's my understanding that the guest OS uses devices offered by the host OS. I don't think that the guest OS has direct hardware access which is what Windows needs to use a winmodem. Direct hardware acces sounds a bit too dangerous to me. I'm pretty sure the guest OS talks to /dev/modem, /dev/eth0, etc. VMware would have to offer this as a special feature for this to work. I suspect it would take a kernel patch to make the winmodem available to the guest OS. It's still far cheaper and easier to purchase a new modem. Agreed. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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probably work better if you tried using it as a network card Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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Surprisingly they actually do work, albeit V...e...r...y s...l...o...w...l...y Way too slowly to be considered usable by any standard. -- Mark ** =/\= No Penguins were harmed | ICQ#27816299 ** _||_ in the making of this | ** =\/= message...| Registered Linux user #182496 On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Scott Patten wrote: As a matter of fact it "might" work, but the only apps that would be able to make use of that connection would be the ones being run "inside" the guest OS and none residing on the host OS. And the performance is already bad enough to make using even VMware something that you soon come to the point of using only when it's absolutely a necessity. I doubt VMware would work for this. It's my understanding that the guest OS uses devices offered by the host OS. I don't think that the guest OS has direct hardware access which is what Windows needs to use a winmodem. Direct hardware acces sounds a bit too dangerous to me. I'm pretty sure the guest OS talks to /dev/modem, /dev/eth0, etc. VMware would have to offer this as a special feature for this to work. I suspect it would take a kernel patch to make the winmodem available to the guest OS. It's still far cheaper and easier to purchase a new modem. Agreed. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
As a matter of fact it "might" work, but the only apps that would be able to make use of that connection would be the ones being run "inside" the guest OS and none residing on the host OS. And the performance is already bad enough to make using even VMware something that you soon come to the point of using only when it's absolutely a necessity. I doubt VMware would work for this. It's my understanding that the guest OS uses devices offered by the host OS. I don't think that the guest OS has direct hardware access which is what Windows needs to use a winmodem. Direct hardware acces sounds a bit too dangerous to me. I'm pretty sure the guest OS talks to /dev/modem, /dev/eth0, etc. VMware would have to offer this as a special feature for this to work. I suspect it would take a kernel patch to make the winmodem available to the guest OS. It's still far cheaper and easier to purchase a new modem. Agreed. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
My guess would be no. Wine is used to emulate an environment for an application, not create a complete Windows environment. A winmodem needs driver support that a simple emulator can't deliver. On the other hand, if you use a package like VMware, now that should likely work. - Glen Adams Network Specialist I2 Technologies Stefan Srdic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [expert] A very good WINE questions kesoft.com 09/11/00 12:07 AM Please respond to expert I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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- Original Message - From: "Stefan Srdic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:07 AM Subject: [expert] A very good WINE questions I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? In a word, no. Hoyt Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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Yes, Stefan, the question is a good one but I fear the annswer is no. The modem is hardware, and for this hardware to work in Linux, the OS (Linux) must set it up as a device. I do not use WINE but my understanding is that it only ports software from one platform to another, i.e. Windows programs to Linux. Hopefully some of you that use WINE on a regulat basis will be able to add some words of wisdom on this issue. Craig Stefan Srdic wrote: I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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It would not work. Hardware drivers are always (99.% of the time) tied to the operating system in use. An internal modem needs a separate driver disk for Win9x, NT, Linux, Mac, etc. Buy an external real modem and it'll work with just about every computer on the market using pretty much just a serial driver (which comes with the operating system). WINE provides a set of high level API's for end-user applications to call. The reason that many programs don't work under WINE is usually due to the program using undocumented "features" of the Windows API, or in the case of DirectX, the WINE developers haven't written that module yet. I think WINE is a great idea, but I haven't had much success with it. I chose to run VMware or Win4Lin instead (which DO require a Windows license to function). Matt -Original Message- From: Stefan Srdic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [expert] A very good WINE questions I read that WINE is Windows compatibility layer for Linux. I have a question, since WinModems are unusable under Linux would it be possible to run the Windows WinModem driver under WINE to use the modem in Linux? Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions
My guess would be no. Wine is used to emulate an environment for an application, not create a complete Windows environment. A winmodem needs driver support that a simple emulator can't deliver. On the other hand, if you use a package like VMware, now that should likely work. My understanding of VMWare is that it cannot see hardware that is not available to the host operating system. In other words, if you were running Win98 as the host, with Linux on top via VMWare, then Linux would most likely see the modem. If you were running Linux as the host, with Win98 on top via VMWare, then I doubt very much that ANYTHING would see it, Linux OR Windoze. Comments/corrections welcome... Regards, Ozz. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): My guess would be no. Wine is used to emulate an environment for an application, not create a complete Windows environment. A winmodem needs driver support that a simple emulator can't deliver. On the other hand, if you use a package like VMware, now that should likely work. Actually I'm not convinced that it will. VMWare can only support devices that the host OS (in this case LInux) supports. -- |Deryk Barker, Computer Science Dept. | Music does not have to be understood| |Camosun College, Victoria, BC, Canada| It has to be listened to. | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |phone: +1 250 370 4452 | Hermann Scherchen. | Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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- Original Message - From: "Craig Woods" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions Yes, Stefan, the question is a good one but I fear the annswer is no. The modem is hardware, and for this hardware to work in Linux, the OS (Linux) must set it up as a device. I do not use WINE but my understanding is that it only ports software from one platform to another, i.e. Windows programs to Linux. Hopefully some of you that use WINE on a regulat basis will be able to add some words of wisdom on this issue. Eloquently put. And this is the same reason the WinModem will not work in Win4Lin or VMware. Hoyt Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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- Original Message - From: "Austin L. Denyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions In other words, if you were running Win98 as the host, with Linux on top via VMWare, then Linux would most likely see the modem. If you were running Linux as the host, with Win98 on top via VMWare, then I doubt very much that ANYTHING would see it, Linux OR Windoze. There's the solution: Install and run NT so you can install and run VMware so you can install and run Linux so Linux can use a WinModem. 8) It's easier and cheaper to buy and install a compatable modem. the problem arises when you are using a "built-in" modem (laptop or some proprietary mobo). The only soultion there (assuming it's not a LinModem) is to purchase an external modem and write a letter of complaint to the PC manufacturer. Hoyt Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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I guess I'll just have to go out and return my WinModem garbage for a serial modem :-D I was only curious because I am way to cheap to buy another modem!! Thanks for your input guys Stef Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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- Original Message - From: "Stefan Srdic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 2:53 AM Subject: Re: [expert] A very good WINE questions I guess I'll just have to go out and return my WinModem garbage for a serial modem :-D I was only curious because I am way to cheap to buy another modem!! Thanks for your input guys Check this out. http://www.math.sunysb.edu/~comech/tools/CheapBox.html#modem Hoyt Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
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Stefan Srdic wrote: I guess I'll just have to go out and return my WinModem garbage for a serial modem :-D I was only curious because I am way to cheap to buy another modem!! Thanks for your input guys Before you get rid of it, have you checked out http://linmodems.org? Do you know what sort of Winmodem you've got? Some have Linux drivers now. Keep in touch with http://mandrakeforum.com: Subscribe the "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" mailing list.
