Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
On Saturday 30 June 2001 17:05, Paul Cox wrote: > On Friday, Jun 29, 2001, mike wrote: > > > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the > > > > > > Bush electoral > > > > > > > campaign > > > > > > Here's a small hole in your theory: If I'm not mistaken > > > Scott McNeiley(sp) (CEO Sun Microsystems and all-around M$ > > > hater) was also a big Bush contributor. > > > > Just goes to show, can't trust those Republicans! > > Just wanted to point out... Bush didn't appoint any of the judges on the > Federal Appeals court. This is strictly true, however Federal Judges, U.S. Attorneys and the like are installed by the US Attorney General. That is why this *appointed* position is so politically important. There is actually very little of you "Government of the people, for the people and by the people" that still belongs to the people. mg
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
On Friday, Jun 29, 2001, mike wrote: > > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the > > > > Bush electoral > > > > > campaign > > > > Here's a small hole in your theory: If I'm not mistaken > > Scott McNeiley(sp) (CEO Sun Microsystems and all-around M$ > > hater) was also a big Bush contributor. > > Just goes to show, can't trust those Republicans! Just wanted to point out... Bush didn't appoint any of the judges on the Federal Appeals court. -- Paul Cox Kernel: 2.4.3-20mdk-win4lin-pcox - Uptime: 13 hours 52 minutes.
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Sounds like a winner to me On Friday 29 June 2001 06:13 am, so spoke Mitch Thompson: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Then go somewhere else. > > On Thursday 28 June 2001 02:53 pm, Expert wrote: > > Yes, the govt sucks. > > > > On Thursday 28 June 2001 02:32 pm, so spoke Francisco Alcaraz Ariza: > > > Is there any relation? > > > > > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > > > campaign > > > > > > B) American court revoke the previous sentence, Microsoft mustn't to be > > > divided > > > > > > Hear in Spain it seems that if you live in USA and you have lot of > > > money, you can do anything, even illegal things. If you have not money > > > you could be condemned for anything (remember the recent event with a > > > Spanish condemned by a murder with bad evidences, but 100.000.000 Pta > > > and, hale ohhp! the same judge that acepted the evidences refused them, > > > ---the money cand do miracles---) > > > > > > What is your opinion? > > > > > > Francisco Alcaraz > > > Murcia (Spain) > > - -- > Mitch Thompson, San Antonio TX > Redhat Certified Engineer #80609957760032 > http://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/certification/index.html > Key fingerprint = BBDA 3A2A 4483 BD0D 7CED B8A9 D183 C8F6 B0AF 66AE > - -- > "Time flies like an arrow, and fruit flies like a banana." > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iQIXAwUBOzxivdGDyPawr2auFAM14Qf/bUrYXEQI/X88Olsojaw5JUG/KQuklo17 > A+9MipzoSrcVnenZnntDtwzOoYdh5HJ4Nt04bokpSF3XyZphyxjVc970nxJrTAYl > Vl+9/J1zKZJyV5lB29LiV53+MSvzFysuU6+4UCJftSiTjOLV5GQ1Ufnw4anvhszt > YgXR8oKm5q0ADDGzrS5npx/tQup2tGT0LF1boHxU3iFuwQSOGX0KpQ63YKgg/FYQ > nOg0Pt3qtiBxcIdQ1L5Oh32gz3SxGM9+uWBhefsdA5uuVW0Di+IgWA44JSmQqQ7n > Vk5rTdUDakFIXjilUgU+ev1nWvE55TIwg4zMdoFkMCtV3c29aMSfgAf+OHzcgBiA > cbQkNczJFkRqAtAC5fEaYiFzPBjHChMdN4ZKPRUtQl8kUYZI1uhZu4rHUPrbD2Om > 0QMfQemH5ygGP/+VSbUU4BrWIzol2vVKDyfq6j4TfDEXzDqZZwLL3bypvAzstlno > fBOe005IedL1z+q8+473c6tFQC2gqPFVjBhJ9OvnA7NmsECC6unOWA5De1zYF24R > Hz6QTaIGfMyQUUK7C8UMJOKc3/l0lgHLuUmaQzcqBNA+WVxv/9mfvg9M0Z/WXQFW > b00/2SANMAXVzbKxa+ymfVLHYItzwnbzgGoWryDAg0v+0Lsq3CUp3QseZWk/VizI > dd3+1VPsYD8U1Q== > =T/pk > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
> A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > campaign Here's a small hole in your theory: If I'm not mistaken Scott McNeiley(sp) (CEO Sun Microsystems and all-around M$ hater) was also a big Bush contributor.
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Rusty Carruth wrote: > > If the states Attorneys General and the DOJ could actually come up with > a workable way to prevent this from happening again (*) (all GOOD suggestions > should probably to them ASAP!) it is conceivable that M$ could end up > losing more than they would have with a breakup > (* - and somehow 'repair' some of the damge done - good luck!) Without some competitive advertising, *any* mention of M$ is "free advertising" for them, even if it's negative... Court forces M$ to make available an amount of $$$ (equal to their last, say 6 years' advertising $$$) for any competitor to fund advertising... then competitors advertise while bills are sent directly to M$ until those $$$ are exhausted... The sooner the $$$ are spent, the sooner M$ gets to return to normal (legal!) competitive business model. M$ counters with a one year limit on such advertising in a "use it or lose it" funding in exchange for a "Paid by Microsoft pursuant to Court imposed sanctions for antitrust and monopolistic misdeeds" trailer on each ad (based on their understanding of "even negative ads are good when repeated often enough so that only 'Paid by M$' is remembered by viewers"...) Competitor fortunes rise (allowing funding of post-sanction advertising), boom boosts economy, stocks rise, ... :^) Pierre
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
On Thursday 28 June 2001 15:32, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > Is there any relation? > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > campaign > > B) American court revoke the previous sentence, Microsoft mustn't to be > divided > > Hear in Spain it seems that if you live in USA and you have lot of money, > you can do anything, even illegal things. If you have not money you could > be condemned for anything (remember the recent event with a Spanish > condemned by a murder with bad evidences, but 100.000.000 Pta and, hale > ohhp! the same judge that acepted the evidences refused them, ---the money > cand do miracles---) > > What is your opinion? > > Francisco Alcaraz > Murcia (Spain) I would, regrettably, agree, in principle. However, in the case, as only the remedy was vacated, and not the ruling, the next judge to come along could levy an even more severe penalty (as the breaking M$ in two was awfully tepid).
RE: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided [OT]
Hi Joe and all, Well, i've just read the CNN news on it. It seems that the main decision still stand, that is microsoft is a monopoly and uses it power to deal with pressure. The decision that is still being uphold by the Appeal Court is significant, allowing the Justice Department to further pursue the matter easily. The appeal court only vacated the split up into two ruling. There might be much more punishing ruling to come. Be patient my penguin friends. The current microsoft business dealing with their xp, hopely, will be used against them. For now, let's wait what's the Justice Dept can do about it. This is my half cent :) Best Regards, Joe RLU# 186063 "Reading is the essence of knowledge" > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Pyrczak > Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 05:16 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided > > > Ok, I am off topic too. Big surprise with all the Microsoft > stuff going on, > here's my two cents: > > The Appeal Court said the Judge was biased. Where are they > going to find > a Judge that hasn't used or had his life affected by Windows?? :) > > Joe Pyrczak > >
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-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2001 23:27:33 +0200 From: H.J.Bathoorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Francisco Alcaraz Ariza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Thursday 28 June 2001 23:09, you wrote: > But we have linux in our computers and this is a clear bet for > the freedom and solidarity. BTW, Hispalinux, a Spanish linux > distribution based on RedHat, has made agreements with several > not governamental organizations (in Spain we say ONG) to install > linux in computers that those ONG are giving to poor countries > in Africa. That we need, not more guns! HEAR,HEAR!!! That's what it's all about :o) -- Semper avanti,sailing on Linux, Harm Bathoorn Free evermore. Hoek. NL. |~> | _ ___|__.__\_|_||_... \___\_|__||_|__|__ _\_Triade__NL__/ --- www.elv-transport.nl --- --- -- Semper avanti,sailing on Linux, Harm Bathoorn Free evermore. Hoek. NL. |~> | _ ___|__.__\_|_||_... \___\_|__||_|__|__ _\_Triade__NL__/ --- www.elv-transport.nl ---
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Ok, I am off topic too. Big surprise with all the Microsoft stuff going on, here's my two cents: The Appeal Court said the Judge was biased. Where are they going to find a Judge that hasn't used or had his life affected by Windows?? :) Joe Pyrczak
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Perhaps, as one of the Republicans said, Bush is too much of the right wing. the Kyoto accords in fact would be insufficient to stop the global climate change, they just could make it go a little be slow. And what about the galaxy war, just the very right Spanish Prime Minister (Aznar) has supported that crazy strategy in the European Community (but, perhaps Blair also, but this was obvious). Globalization in fact could be good if means help for the poorer peoples of the Earth and not more explotation, not multinationals enterprise eating small ones and eliminating the competence to make unique and very expensive products. The last that we need now is start again gun manufacturation, more polution to our environment and other things that Bush is predicating in favour all over the rich World. We must look for alternatives; I hope an united Europe could be, and Europe in favour of the 0.7%, open source software, solar energy, solidarity, richness redistribution and so one. Unfortunately, most of our nowadays Governement are of the right wing, even some of them named laborist or of the left-center :-( But we have linux in our computers and this is a clear bet for the freedom and solidarity. BTW, Hispalinux, a Spanish linux distribution based on RedHat, has made agreements with several not governamental organizations (in Spain we say ONG) to install linux in computers that those ONG are giving to poor countries in Africa. That we need, not more guns! Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain) El Jue 28 Jun 2001 22:35, escribiste: > On Thu 28 Jun at 16:48:54 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: > > Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > Is there any relation? > > > > > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > > > campaign > > > > Some Indutrials too... > > See Kyoto? > > This is really off topic, but I couldn't help responding to this. > > That's nonsense. The Kyoto Accords would not have been ratified even had > Gore would have won. There was an excellent article in The Economist a > couple months ago about this. Please see: > > http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=561509 > > Or to summarise (here's the last paragraph of the article): > > --- > ... > Such an outcome seems less fanciful when one considers that it is not > only green groups, or even the ordinary punter, that wants action on > climate change. Many of America's biggest businesses, ranging from > DuPont to United Technologies, and even to coal-fired utilities like > AEP, support action on climate change and want regulatory certainty on > the question of carbon. Those are the sorts of voices that Mr Bush > should heed. One of Mr Bush's top lieutenants this week even > insisted that his boss would be a world leader on this issue. The > ultimate irony of the past two weeks' coruscating attacks on the > American president is that he could yet turn out to be Kyoto's > saviour after all. > --- > > Cheers, > > -Charlie
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
On Thu 28 Jun at 16:48:54 -0300 [EMAIL PROTECTED] done said: > Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > > > Is there any relation? > > > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > > campaign > > Some Indutrials too... > See Kyoto? This is really off topic, but I couldn't help responding to this. That's nonsense. The Kyoto Accords would not have been ratified even had Gore would have won. There was an excellent article in The Economist a couple months ago about this. Please see: http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?Story_ID=561509 Or to summarise (here's the last paragraph of the article): --- ... Such an outcome seems less fanciful when one considers that it is not only green groups, or even the ordinary punter, that wants action on climate change. Many of America's biggest businesses, ranging from DuPont to United Technologies, and even to coal-fired utilities like AEP, support action on climate change and want regulatory certainty on the question of carbon. Those are the sorts of voices that Mr Bush should heed. One of Mr Bush's top lieutenants this week even insisted that his boss would be a world leader on this issue. The ultimate irony of the past two weeks' coruscating attacks on the American president is that he could yet turn out to be Kyoto's saviour after all. --- Cheers, -Charlie -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLUG IT IN!!!
RE: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Lets all be honest here shall we?? has anyone heard of a government that didn't suck in some way or another.?? I'm in australia, and our politicians are to busy attacking each others policies to actually have some new ideas of their own,, its not about promoting yourself, its now all about putting down the other guy... And in Australia, its become an excepted "Australianism" to make up ludicrous promises and then not keep them,, in fact, if you keep them, you tend to shock alot of people... Bob Hawke, a few prime ministers back in 92 said something like "By 98 no child shall live in poverty in Australia" That one turned out wellNOT!!! rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of civileme Sent: Friday, 29 June 2001 5:44 AM To: Francisco Alcaraz Ariza; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided On Thursday 28 June 2001 19:32, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > Is there any relation? > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush > electoral campaign > > B) American court revoke the previous sentence, Microsoft mustn't > to be divided > > Hear in Spain it seems that if you live in USA and you have lot of > money, you can do anything, even illegal things. If you have not > money you could be condemned for anything (remember the recent > event with a Spanish condemned by a murder with bad evidences, but > 100.000.000 Pta and, hale ohhp! the same judge that acepted the > evidences refused them, ---the money cand do miracles---) > > What is your opinion? > > Francisco Alcaraz > Murcia (Spain) I think you will find Microsoft contributed just as heavily to the losing campaign. They bought both ends of the bet, and they'll be around as long as they have no ethics and lots of money to throw at problems, but if ever their revenue goes down (they have never had to develop corporate skills in cost analysis and expense cutting, and it is their greatest weakness). Civileme (who doesn't program in the US because the ridiculous software patents would eat him alive)
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
civileme wrote: > I think you will find Microsoft contributed just as heavily to the > losing campaign. They bought both ends of the bet, and they'll be > around as long as they have no ethics and lots of money to throw at > problems, but if ever their revenue goes down (they have never > had to develop corporate skills in cost analysis and expense cutting, > and it is their greatest weakness). They have many weaknesses, and their future is not bright at all: http://www.aaxnet.com/topics/nightmare.html -- Discipline your son, and he will give you peace; he will bring delight to your soul.Proverbs 29:17 NIV Team OS/2 Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.members.atlantic.net/
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Kyle, perhaps you are right about the process, but I think you are too optimistic about the end of the story. The fact is that after two or more years Microsoft continue selling their products without problems. Francisco Alcaraz Murcia (Spain)
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > > Is there any relation? > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > campaign Some Indutrials too... See Kyoto? > > B) American court revoke the previous sentence, Microsoft mustn't to be > divided > Hmmm... Too much money/2 = almost Too much money... Did you think they would play on the rules? > > What is your opinion? > Gee, here on Brazil, the same thing... =o( > Francisco Alcaraz > Murcia (Spain) MONEY rule$... -- Leonardo T. de Carvalho Ibiz Tecnologia Frase aleatória: "There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one works. "
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
Yes, the govt sucks. On Thursday 28 June 2001 02:32 pm, so spoke Francisco Alcaraz Ariza: > Is there any relation? > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush electoral > campaign > > B) American court revoke the previous sentence, Microsoft mustn't to be > divided > > Hear in Spain it seems that if you live in USA and you have lot of money, > you can do anything, even illegal things. If you have not money you could > be condemned for anything (remember the recent event with a Spanish > condemned by a murder with bad evidences, but 100.000.000 Pta and, hale > ohhp! the same judge that acepted the evidences refused them, ---the money > cand do miracles---) > > What is your opinion? > > Francisco Alcaraz > Murcia (Spain)
Re: [expert] Microsoft will not be divided
On Thursday 28 June 2001 19:32, Francisco Alcaraz Ariza wrote: > Is there any relation? > > A) Bill Gates ( Microsoft) spended lot of money for the Bush > electoral campaign > > B) American court revoke the previous sentence, Microsoft mustn't > to be divided > > Hear in Spain it seems that if you live in USA and you have lot of > money, you can do anything, even illegal things. If you have not > money you could be condemned for anything (remember the recent > event with a Spanish condemned by a murder with bad evidences, but > 100.000.000 Pta and, hale ohhp! the same judge that acepted the > evidences refused them, ---the money cand do miracles---) > > What is your opinion? > > Francisco Alcaraz > Murcia (Spain) I think you will find Microsoft contributed just as heavily to the losing campaign. They bought both ends of the bet, and they'll be around as long as they have no ethics and lots of money to throw at problems, but if ever their revenue goes down (they have never had to develop corporate skills in cost analysis and expense cutting, and it is their greatest weakness). Civileme (who doesn't program in the US because the ridiculous software patents would eat him alive)
