Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 daRcmaTTeR wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:08:29PM -0500 : I'm not mad. I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list. Ok...but whats SNR? Maybe I should have written S/N Ratio instead. It's an acronym for Signal to Noise Ratio. It's an electronics term. Any signal coming in will have a certain amount of noise that it has to compete with. The SNR is the strength of good signal versus the strength of the noise. In terms of a mailing list, it means that we want more ontopic posts than offtopic posts, where the desired quantity of offtopic posts is equal to zero. Blue skies... Todd ah...ok, that clears that up. Thanks. :) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 daRcmaTTeR wrote on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 06:08:29PM -0500 : I'm not mad. I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list. Ok...but whats SNR? Maybe I should have written S/N Ratio instead. It's an acronym for Signal to Noise Ratio. It's an electronics term. Any signal coming in will have a certain amount of noise that it has to compete with. The SNR is the strength of good signal versus the strength of the noise. In terms of a mailing list, it means that we want more ontopic posts than offtopic posts, where the desired quantity of offtopic posts is equal to zero. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com Mandrake: An amalgam of good ideas from RedHat, Debian, and MandrakeSoft. All in all, IMHO, an unbeatable combination. --Levi Ramsey on Cooker ML Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+QZtUlp7v05cW2woRAsoNAKDKzmQQ5MFsz7D0t6fbj/a1+GJKrACfcEyu MXSBIfoBfKpN3EfycfxdxMI= =OaJJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Seth Zirin wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 09:59, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I REALLY need some fast help with a simple statistics question but I am not real strong on statistics. I have a question regarding Fisher's exact: is it a legitimate test to run on a particular set of data I have. I need help fast. Anyone with knowledge about this who can help me...I would be eternally grateful. How is this even remotely related to Mandrake Linux? Why are you wasting everyone's resources for unrelated math questions that you could likely answer yourself with five minutes of effort searching google? Seth Seth, it's related provided you've been a contributing list member for at least 6 months to a year. :) -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, et wrote: I take responsibility for posting OT on the list. I would do it again but perhaps in doing so I should have specified an off-list, direct reply to me rather than in the list. Newsgroups are sometimes too slow and I needed info ASAP (like within an hour or so). sniped a bunch I am on this list to learn, and I must say, in this thread I learned a few things, and that made MY day (to learn something new), so for me at least this thread was very good. same here for me et. -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Todd Lyons wrote: -pgpenvelope processed message Carroll Grigsby wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:39:08PM -0500 : With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. I did not say it was the same category regarding the topic. I said marking a message with OT shows that the email is an abuse of the intended audience (in the author's opinion, I should have said). I did not attack Praedor as he has been an avid participant in this mailing list and I don't want to be responsible for curttailing that. A warning just means that I'm trying to enforce the rules, it doesn't mean that I'm angry. Having said all of that, here is a two step guideline to writing messages to any mailing list, not just this one. 1) Compose a subject for your question. 2) If the subject includes OT or Offtopic, delete the email without sending or send it to the correct forum for that topic. I'm not mad. I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list. And Praedor was right. His question could have been worded only slightly different and would have been well received. Again, I'm not mad. Blue skies... Todd -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk Ok...but whats SNR? - -- Mark If necessity is the mother of invention, then who's the father? - --- Paid for by Penguins against modern appliances(R) Linux User Since 1996 Powered by Mandrake Linux 8.2 9.0 ICQ# 27816299 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: pgpenvelope 2.10.2 - http://pgpenvelope.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQE+QZl4lz3cA934DmQRAqn6AJ90kIOlpqFH4G11tzGNbahTB6pAWACg+E3r US/ekBeCdkXLG8BTOxbJ6M0= =i5L5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I take responsibility for posting OT on the list. I would do it again but perhaps in doing so I should have specified an off-list, direct reply to me rather than in the list. Newsgroups are sometimes too slow and I needed info ASAP (like within an hour or so). I hoped to dialog with someone in the know directly rather than on the list. Or I expected someone to perhaps say Yeah, I'm the person you are looking for, tell me about your problem, which would have prompted me to directly (offlist) correspond with the person. This list happens to be quite quick with responses (usually), thus I made use of the best resource I had available. praedor On Monday 03 February 2003 09:39 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 03 February 2003 04:06 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:51:40PM -0500 Thank you for the help...NOT. In any case, the OT DOES provide warning that it isn't ON TOPIC and you can read at your own risk. It's also a flag to list owners that the user is abusing the purpose and intent of said list. It sure beats the other OT thread on the list the other day. Be thankful. Please don't post OT posts. Be a leader, not a follower. [...] Todd: With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. For another, I doubt that I'll be block-deleting great numbers of comments on this thread for the next five or six days before losing my cool. [...] - -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - - Friedrich Nietzsche. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+P8DA1i/6R1B/Yh0RAj/SAJwJk2m10IyPP5DJ85FzHOVG+j2LmwCfcw+d 1FwLPzMN++2wbrTltqqh7dc= =MYxN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Carroll Grigsby wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:39:08PM -0500 : With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. I did not say it was the same category regarding the topic. I said marking a message with OT shows that the email is an abuse of the intended audience (in the author's opinion, I should have said). I did not attack Praedor as he has been an avid participant in this mailing list and I don't want to be responsible for curttailing that. A warning just means that I'm trying to enforce the rules, it doesn't mean that I'm angry. Having said all of that, here is a two step guideline to writing messages to any mailing list, not just this one. 1) Compose a subject for your question. 2) If the subject includes OT or Offtopic, delete the email without sending or send it to the correct forum for that topic. I'm not mad. I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list. And Praedor was right. His question could have been worded only slightly different and would have been well received. Again, I'm not mad. Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+QANFlp7v05cW2woRAnP/AJ4tfI3TmUvmWHLHRGQ8vOjchYzJngCgiITM LmjcDKVgbqfl49DXTl9M/yE= =TLd9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 13:15, Todd Lyons wrote: Carroll Grigsby wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 09:39:08PM -0500 : With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. I did not say it was the same category regarding the topic. I said marking a message with OT shows that the email is an abuse of the intended audience (in the author's opinion, I should have said). I did not attack Praedor as he has been an avid participant in this mailing list and I don't want to be responsible for curttailing that. A warning just means that I'm trying to enforce the rules, it doesn't mean that I'm angry. Having said all of that, here is a two step guideline to writing messages to any mailing list, not just this one. 1) Compose a subject for your question. 2) If the subject includes OT or Offtopic, delete the email without sending or send it to the correct forum for that topic. I'm not mad. I'm just trying to increase the SNR of this mailing list. And Praedor was right. His question could have been worded only slightly different and would have been well received. Again, I'm not mad. Well, I am. I stay pissed. g ;) Blue skies... Todd - -- MandrakeSoft USA http://www.mandrakesoft.com cat /boot/vmlinuz /dev/dsp #for great justice Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 09:59, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I REALLY need some fast help with a simple statistics question but I am not real strong on statistics. I have a question regarding Fisher's exact: is it a legitimate test to run on a particular set of data I have. I need help fast. Anyone with knowledge about this who can help me...I would be eternally grateful. How is this even remotely related to Mandrake Linux? Why are you wasting everyone's resources for unrelated math questions that you could likely answer yourself with five minutes of effort searching google? Seth Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thank you for the help...NOT. In any case, the OT DOES provide warning that it isn't ON TOPIC and you can read at your own risk. It sure beats the other OT thread on the list the other day. Be thankful. On Monday 03 February 2003 03:44 pm, Seth Zirin wrote: On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 09:59, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I REALLY need some fast help with a simple statistics question but I am not real strong on statistics. I have a question regarding Fisher's exact: is it a legitimate test to run on a particular set of data I have. I need help fast. Anyone with knowledge about this who can help me...I would be eternally grateful. How is this even remotely related to Mandrake Linux? Why are you wasting everyone's resources for unrelated math questions that you could likely answer yourself with five minutes of effort searching google? Seth - -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - - Friedrich Nietzsche. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+PtZc1i/6R1B/Yh0RApEgAJ9C2Ho2mN/A9x2HIjpF69AFfJIkGgCgkTRa VCnsCOBzmtdd2VK0NBTDLmU= =iiQI -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Seth will be pleased to know I did acquire an answer by aid from this list, no less, which led me to a website which led me to a PERSON who was able to help me out with my specific situation. Thanks to those who did offer aid in various forms. On Monday 03 February 2003 04:07 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote: I REALLY need some fast help with a simple statistics question but I am not real strong on statistics. I have a question regarding Fisher's exact: is it a legitimate test to run on a particular set of data I have. I need help fast. Anyone with knowledge about this who can help me...I would be eternally grateful. I'm familiar with it in the sense that I've given a couple statistics lectures concerning R (http://www.r-project.org/) and Linux (see, you're somewhat on topic after all). Fisher's exact is, of course, a correlation test and its applicability depends entirely on your data set and what you're trying to accomplish. - -- Conservatives of all times are adventitious liars. - - Friedrich Nietzsche. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+Ptii1i/6R1B/Yh0RAts9AJ9uzJ3fh4KnFcGDNky3W2rkvr4P3gCggHW5 qZfPFVS+sCo4Rqpk0RfwBA0= =8p5f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:51:40PM -0500 : Thank you for the help...NOT. In any case, the OT DOES provide warning that it isn't ON TOPIC and you can read at your own risk. It's also a flag to list owners that the user is abusing the purpose and intent of said list. It sure beats the other OT thread on the list the other day. Be thankful. Please don't post OT posts. Be a leader, not a follower. Blue skies... Todd - -- ...and I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger, those who attempt to poison and destroy my binaries, and you will know my name is root, when I lay my vengeance upon thee. Mandrake Cooker Devel Version, Kernel 2.4.21pre4-1mdk -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+PtnClp7v05cW2woRAhdOAJ9Px/AZfGLQQNgnFnIkNQD180V6BwCggeJN IXOa1HQT5ltZBCSQ4W0swN0= =xw/e -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
I have a question regarding Fisher's exact: is it a legitimate test to run on a particular set of data I have. No statistical test is legitimate in the hands of the inexperienced. No statistical test is legimate in the hands of the experienced when they have an agenda. Mark Twain said there are three kinds of lies - Lies, damned lies and statistics. It is also why the bottom of my business card used to read Numerical Advocate rather than statistician. Lest anybody challenge this as off-topic, there is a wonderful package - 'R' and a somewhat harder to find pspp both of which have endless tests to a amuse and befuddle and both of which run on mandrake. My advice, run every test you can find, smile non-chalantly, and pass the burden of legitimacy on to the consumer. Jim Tarvid PS. I really enjoyed the non US contributions to the thread on nature and character of President Bush and his fatal attraction with Saddam Hussein. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] OT Important! (to me) Any statisticians in the list?
On Monday 03 February 2003 04:06 pm, Todd Lyons wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Praedor Tempus Atrebates wrote on Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:51:40PM -0500 Thank you for the help...NOT. In any case, the OT DOES provide warning that it isn't ON TOPIC and you can read at your own risk. It's also a flag to list owners that the user is abusing the purpose and intent of said list. It sure beats the other OT thread on the list the other day. Be thankful. Please don't post OT posts. Be a leader, not a follower. Blue skies... Todd Todd: With all due respect, putting this thread in the same category as that mess last week is a huge leap. For one thing, this hardly a controversial topic. For another, I doubt that I'll be block-deleting great numbers of comments on this thread for the next five or six days before losing my cool. Finally, the posting shows the scope of Mandrake users' usage of Linux. Praedor's error was that he framed his question incorrectly. He should have asked if anyone knew of Linux-based method to evaluate Fisher's exact, since it turned out that one list member had written an article on the subject. Ponder the improbability of that one for a while! -- cmg (who wouldn't know Fisher's exact from Adam's off leg) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
