Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
Sunday, jarmo mused: On Sunday 17 November 2002 19:30, Michael Holt wrote: WHAT??? With that fact-filled email, I just don't know where to start! Seriously though, you haven't listed anything about what kind of laptop Man Don't blow your head off... No, I don't really see that happening any time soon. (??) If you'd read better you'd figure that this is not a laptop.. Pse read again... My bad, I think of wireless as a mobile solution - but my previous post still stands. You offered no real details about your situation except to say that you wanted a fix for your problem. Just naming a couple of components (orinoco silver / wavelan pci adapter) doesn't really tell much ;-). As said with my orinoco silver card and wavelan pci adapter etc... I can get it working...but MDK's installation does notNot big deal...eh? Jarmo I see a few people have already given some suggestions - so I'll leave it at that. Have fun - Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (Y/N) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
Yesterday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: I'm glad to hear that someone was able to get it to work with the default ML install. I wasn't so lucky. I have finally managed to get it to work after 3 fresh installs of ML 9 plus I had to d/l and install the orinoco drivers... Well, what might be the case is that both my laptops just happen to be linux compatible. Not that I planned it that way - I just REALLY got lucky. BTW, why isn't there a .../pcmcia-3.x.x directory in ML 8.2 and 9.0 like there was in ML 8.1? Also, according to the PCMCIA-HOWTO, there's suppose to be a utility script called probe in a /cardmgr directory to help in determining the PCIC - I can't find the utility or the directory. Actually I did find a script named probe but it had something to do with NetCat. In /sbin there are a couple binaries (cardctl and cardmgr) which both have man pages you can read - I'm not sure about the other stuff you ask. Again, my laptops both detected my card AND installed the correct drivers with both mdk 8.2 and mdk 9.0. There's a previous post which talks about 16 bit vs. 32 bit pcmcia cards - maybe it's the brand of laptop and how it interacts with card and not the operating system? With this kind of trouble, I can see why Linux hasn't made it into the mainstream (as far as the desktop market goes). People always say this when they have a problem. First, you need to remember that ALL hardware on the shelf today is made with Microsoft in mind - period. Not one manufacturer of video cards, sound, mainboards, etc... makes a product with ONLY linux in mind - most give linux a mere after thought if any at all - MAYBE posting drivers on their website (never in the box though) if at all. With that in mind, can you imagine how difficult it is to build an operating system which would support EVERYTHNING out of the box? Think about this: Most hardware manufacturers won't even give up the specs of their proprietary hardware so that someone else can write a linux driver for it - let alone write one for you. They wouldn't even consider releasing the product without windows drivers - usually multiple versions of windows. Before you get all upset about the state of linux, think about that. Most windows users get confused about how to change their desktop wallpaper; on linux, you've GOT to plan ahead. Make sure you've got not only comptatible hardware, but that you understand COMPLETELY what's soldered in your case. Mike -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (Y/N) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
I'm not quite up on all the pcmcia stuff, I've only started using laptops in the last 6 months and at that, I've both times managed to get pretty compatible hardware. I understand what you're talking about with those dongles - what a stupid idea! I've got a regular pcmcia eth card and a modem which both use those weak little wires with those crappy little connectors. Those have been ripped out more than once when one of the kids tripped over the wire - that's why I went wireless to begin with. I noticed also that there are several different specs for the cardbus. Though since I've started using laptops, I've noticed that almost EVERYTHING is non-standard. When I installed a 128MB stick of ram in my toshiba, it required a razor blade, some electric tape and some tricky manuevering to enlarge the case enough so that it would fit. I would say that of all hardware, the one I would least want to work on would be compaq. If their pc's are any comparison, I've worked on a few of those and they are no joy. Mike Thursday, James Sparenberg mused: I may maybe not have run across something that has a lot to do with the problem and the fact that some have the problem some don't. I've been know for my ability to lose dongles for quite some time. With dongles being almost as expensive as the full pcmcia nic I just keep buying new nic's ... So today ... when I did it again. I bit the bullet and bought a dongle free nic. Same manf as my other nic and it didn't work... took it backchanged model still doesn't work. Guess what the problem turns out to be! The new dongle free nics are 32 bit my dongled nics where always 16 bit. EVEN though the website says my laptop supports 32 bit nics it turns out that not all versions (there where 7!) of this model have 32 bit support... sheesh. (called compaq) Could it be that these wireless cards are 32 bit cardbus and the laptop isn't? In the windows world the drivers apparently cheat and run the 32 bit card as if it was 16 bit. But here it doesn't work. (didn't in NT either but compaq claims XP would.. like I care.) Just a thought. James -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (Y/N) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
WHAT??? With that fact-filled email, I just don't know where to start! Seriously though, you haven't listed anything about what kind of laptop you're using or what the problem was. The only thing I know is that you seem to want mandrake team to fix a problem which you give only vague details about. I think that if you follow this thread though, you'll see one post about possibly incompatible cardbus architecture (16 / 32 bit). I don't know much about that, but the first place I would check is weather your laptop is supported under Mandrake. mike 9:02pm, jarmo mused: Me too Started just 9.0 installation and it stops just in the beginning when trying to determine PCMCIA stuff.Had same problem with 8.2.Made questions here hoping that someone from Mandrake team would pay tension about issue.. Seems not...Anyway I have orinoco silver card and wavelan pci adapter.. I think that's the messy one..In MDK 8.0 installation worked OK... In 8.2 I had to take off card and adapter to manage install os.Now it seems to be same...I took them away and installation go's fine... There is only huge job to get pcmcia workin...Have to use pcmcia-cs package and recompile kernel without part of pcmcia stuff...But managed in 8.2 so why not 9.0. So if someone from TEAM reads this,pse try to find correction to installation according pcmcia. By the way using amd xp-1700+ 512M ram 2x40G hd ati radeon all in wonder And as said with a little bit extra job all works fine.. Jarmo -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (Y/N) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
I may maybe not have run across something that has a lot to do with the problem and the fact that some have the problem some don't. I've been know for my ability to lose dongles for quite some time. With dongles being almost as expensive as the full pcmcia nic I just keep buying new nic's ... So today ... when I did it again. I bit the bullet and bought a dongle free nic. Same manf as my other nic and it didn't work... took it backchanged model still doesn't work. Guess what the problem turns out to be! The new dongle free nics are 32 bit my dongled nics where always 16 bit. EVEN though the website says my laptop supports 32 bit nics it turns out that not all versions (there where 7!) of this model have 32 bit support... sheesh. (called compaq) Could it be that these wireless cards are 32 bit cardbus and the laptop isn't? In the windows world the drivers apparently cheat and run the 32 bit card as if it was 16 bit. But here it doesn't work. (didn't in NT either but compaq claims XP would.. like I care.) Just a thought. James On Wed, 2002-11-13 at 09:45, Michael Holt wrote: You know, I noticed this thread but thought it was for something else (duh!) Anyway, I'm using an MA401 wireless card right now on my thinkpad and it's worked on mandrake 8.2 as well as mandrake 9.0 right from install. I also installed slackware 8.1 a couple of weeks ago to try it out and it worked in there just as well. I used the same card in my old toshiba laptop. Could it be that there is something else wrong? Maybe a bad card? I just plug mine in to the pcmcia slot and boot the computer and do the install - the card is recognized and it installs with no problem. Again, it's a Netgear MA401. Mike Friday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: I've tried linux-wlan-ng-pre4/5/6 and I still can't get my wireless card to work. It's a Netgear MA401. I followed the directions in the README file and added alias wlan0 prism2_cs to /etc/modules.conf but I can't get the beast to work! The default install did not associate the card with the AP even though the README file assured me that it would associate to any nearby AP. lsmod shows that the drivers (prism2_cs and p80211) were installed. After configuring the appropriate files in /etc/wlan plus /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, the card still will not associate with the AP even though I do have the correct SSID in the config files. Plus, the nameserver info that I entered into /etc/pcmcia/network.opts never got written to /etc/resolv.conf nor did wlan0 get configured with an IP address. But, I was able to assign an IP address to wlan0 with Linuxconf (I know, this isn't the right way to do it). I tried to get the card to work using a file and with instructions, on how to use the orinoco driver, that someone had provided and that didn't get it going either. The card works when booted into Windows 2000. So, I have to ask: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? Mandrake Linux 9.0. -- James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
You know, I noticed this thread but thought it was for something else (duh!) Anyway, I'm using an MA401 wireless card right now on my thinkpad and it's worked on mandrake 8.2 as well as mandrake 9.0 right from install. I also installed slackware 8.1 a couple of weeks ago to try it out and it worked in there just as well. I used the same card in my old toshiba laptop. Could it be that there is something else wrong? Maybe a bad card? I just plug mine in to the pcmcia slot and boot the computer and do the install - the card is recognized and it installs with no problem. Again, it's a Netgear MA401. Mike Friday, [EMAIL PROTECTED] mused: I've tried linux-wlan-ng-pre4/5/6 and I still can't get my wireless card to work. It's a Netgear MA401. I followed the directions in the README file and added alias wlan0 prism2_cs to /etc/modules.conf but I can't get the beast to work! The default install did not associate the card with the AP even though the README file assured me that it would associate to any nearby AP. lsmod shows that the drivers (prism2_cs and p80211) were installed. After configuring the appropriate files in /etc/wlan plus /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, the card still will not associate with the AP even though I do have the correct SSID in the config files. Plus, the nameserver info that I entered into /etc/pcmcia/network.opts never got written to /etc/resolv.conf nor did wlan0 get configured with an IP address. But, I was able to assign an IP address to wlan0 with Linuxconf (I know, this isn't the right way to do it). I tried to get the card to work using a file and with instructions, on how to use the orinoco driver, that someone had provided and that didn't get it going either. The card works when booted into Windows 2000. So, I have to ask: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? Mandrake Linux 9.0. -- Michael Holt Banning, CA(o_ [EMAIL PROTECTED](o_ (o_ //\ www.holt-tech.net(/)_ (/)_ V_/_www.mandrake.com Bad or missing mouse driver. Spank the cat? (Y/N) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
I have not yet messed with wireless on Mandrake. However, with Red Hat, I remeber having better luck downloading the latest pcmcia code from the developers. Red Hat's scripts etc. were different enough, that I could never figure out what combination of /etc/init.d/network /etc/init.d/pcmcia would actually bring the card up and try to dhcp for an address etc. I took a quick gander at /etc/pcmcia/network and it looks like Red Hat's script. I specifically says under the "start" case statement option that it takes care of the wireless network somewhere else. There are probably lots of people who can get it to work the "red hat" way, but you might want to try replacing the pcmcia rpm install with a tar install from the developers. just a thought. Dave Seff wrote: I always go with linksys for my networing and wireless needs. I haven't come across a device that wasn't supported under Linux. -Dave On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 01:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried linux-wlan-ng-pre4/5/6 and I still can't get my wireless card to work. It's a Netgear MA401. I followed the directions in the README file and added alias wlan0 prism2_cs to /etc/modules.conf but I can't get the beast to work! The default install did not associate the card with the AP even though the README file assured me that it would associate to any nearby AP. lsmod shows that the drivers (prism2_cs and p80211) were installed. After configuring the appropriate files in /etc/wlan plus /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, the card still will not associate with the AP even though I do have the correct SSID in the config files. Plus, the nameserver info that I entered into /etc/pcmcia/network.opts never got written to /etc/resolv.conf nor did wlan0 get configured with an IP address. But, I was able to assign an IP address to wlan0 with Linuxconf (I know, this isn't the right way to do it). I tried to get the card to work using a file and with instructions, on how to use the orinoco driver, that someone had provided and that didn't get it going either. The card works when booted into Windows 2000. So, I have to ask: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? Mandrake Linux 9.0. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] Why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to workin linux????
I always go with linksys for my networing and wireless needs. I haven't come across a device that wasn't supported under Linux. -Dave On Sat, 2002-11-09 at 01:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tried linux-wlan-ng-pre4/5/6 and I still can't get my wireless card to work. It's a Netgear MA401. I followed the directions in the README file and added alias wlan0 prism2_cs to /etc/modules.conf but I can't get the beast to work! The default install did not associate the card with the AP even though the README file assured me that it would associate to any nearby AP. lsmod shows that the drivers (prism2_cs and p80211) were installed. After configuring the appropriate files in /etc/wlan plus /etc/pcmcia/network.opts, the card still will not associate with the AP even though I do have the correct SSID in the config files. Plus, the nameserver info that I entered into /etc/pcmcia/network.opts never got written to /etc/resolv.conf nor did wlan0 get configured with an IP address. But, I was able to assign an IP address to wlan0 with Linuxconf (I know, this isn't the right way to do it). I tried to get the card to work using a file and with instructions, on how to use the orinoco driver, that someone had provided and that didn't get it going either. The card works when booted into Windows 2000. So, I have to ask: why is it so difficult to get a wireless card to work under linux? Mandrake Linux 9.0. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
