Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 22:32:28 -0700 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:04, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:39, Tim Sawchuck wrote: Ok, thanks to Jack and Eric it works. I did not read the instructions and tried to start it with Xdm or Xtart. I do not have kdm or gdm installed, so I like the WMs that will allow me to change to another, until I decide which one to settle on. Right now I need a combo of blackbox and Ice, or if bb just had a pager (found one, but you cannot change vdesktops with it). I might like xfce4 if I can find the time to get menus in it.:-) Tim Since xfce (3.8) is in the contribs section for 9.1 I wonder if you installed it... then did the build / install from 4 over it if you would keep the menu's etc or not. James ... nope; there's a program called MenuMaker though that handles making menus from the GNOME and KDE stuff for everything else. That's the stopgap until XFce can implement the new freedesktop.org menu standard (they're aiming for the 4.2 release). Found it and installed it, but have not had time to read how to set it up yet. -- I often read this forum on my Zaurus handheld, please use plain text! _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
Ok, thanks to Jack and Eric it works. I did not read the instructions and tried to start it with Xdm or Xtart. I do not have kdm or gdm installed, so I like the WMs that will allow me to change to another, until I decide which one to settle on. Right now I need a combo of blackbox and Ice, or if bb just had a pager (found one, but you cannot change vdesktops with it). I might like xfce4 if I can find the time to get menus in it.:-) Tim On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:51:24 -0700 Jack Coates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:08, Tim Sawchuck wrote: ... I've messed with XFCE, and it just didn't do it, but now 4 is out, I have to see if it will run under 9.2 Cooker. Tim I've got three cooker systems and it runs a treat on all of them. Follow the instructions here: http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ -- I often read this forum on my Zaurus handheld, please use plain text! _ ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:39, Tim Sawchuck wrote: Ok, thanks to Jack and Eric it works. I did not read the instructions and tried to start it with Xdm or Xtart. I do not have kdm or gdm installed, so I like the WMs that will allow me to change to another, until I decide which one to settle on. Right now I need a combo of blackbox and Ice, or if bb just had a pager (found one, but you cannot change vdesktops with it). I might like xfce4 if I can find the time to get menus in it.:-) Tim Since xfce (3.8) is in the contribs section for 9.1 I wonder if you installed it... then did the build / install from 4 over it if you would keep the menu's etc or not. James I've messed with XFCE, and it just didn't do it, but now 4 is out, I have to see if it will run under 9.2 Cooker. Tim I've got three cooker systems and it runs a treat on all of them. Follow the instructions here: http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 21:04, James Sparenberg wrote: On Mon, 2003-10-13 at 20:39, Tim Sawchuck wrote: Ok, thanks to Jack and Eric it works. I did not read the instructions and tried to start it with Xdm or Xtart. I do not have kdm or gdm installed, so I like the WMs that will allow me to change to another, until I decide which one to settle on. Right now I need a combo of blackbox and Ice, or if bb just had a pager (found one, but you cannot change vdesktops with it). I might like xfce4 if I can find the time to get menus in it.:-) Tim Since xfce (3.8) is in the contribs section for 9.1 I wonder if you installed it... then did the build / install from 4 over it if you would keep the menu's etc or not. James ... nope; there's a program called MenuMaker though that handles making menus from the GNOME and KDE stuff for everything else. That's the stopgap until XFce can implement the new freedesktop.org menu standard (they're aiming for the 4.2 release). -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thursday 09 October 2003 21:30, James Sparenberg wrote: Ok, I'm just about to complete my second update from 9.1+plf+texstar to 9.2 via urpmi. The order of march is urpmi.removmedia -a (get rid of all current dbases) urpmi.addmedia (added cooker cooker-contrib and plf-cooker) urpmi urpmi (get the new urpmi first it's ability to download install and then download more is a big boon. But be prepared for a huge list of changes to accompany it as well.) urpmi --auto-auto select --force why the force ... because signatures in the cooker are all over the place, and plf cooker isn't signed with the same sig as the rest of plf etc etc and I got real tired of saying y every 3 or 4 rpms. urpmi kernel. I already have the new kernel running on my 9.1 install, and all seems to be going well. Win4Lin is working and the nVidia drivers are installed. The balance of my plan is as follows: 1) remove all plf and Texstar packages 2) urpmi.removemedia -a 3) urpmi.addmedia my local Cooker mirror 4) urpmi urpmi 5) urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpm 6) Add back plf source and reinstall anything interesting from there 7) Wait for Tex to build cool stuff for 9.2 Hopefully, I won't even have to reboot. I'll report back how it goes. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Sunday 12 October 2003 08:19, Greg Meyer wrote: I already have the new kernel running on my 9.1 install, and all seems to be going well. Win4Lin is working and the nVidia drivers are installed. The balance of my plan is as follows: 1) remove all plf and Texstar packages 2) urpmi.removemedia -a 3) urpmi.addmedia my local Cooker mirror 4) urpmi urpmi 5) urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpm 6) Add back plf source and reinstall anything interesting from there 7) Wait for Tex to build cool stuff for 9.2 Hopefully, I won't even have to reboot. I'll report back how it goes. Okay, I'm back and everything looks like it went okay. I have a few little tweaks to do, but other than that, I guess I'm on 9.2 now. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:19:06 -0400 Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 7) Wait for Tex to build cool stuff for 9.2 He has a few things already, check his website, mostly icons and themes. He stated in Cooker mail list that he would setup a hdlist.cz as soon as 9.2 is officially released. Tim -- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Sun, 2003-10-12 at 05:19, Greg Meyer wrote: On Thursday 09 October 2003 21:30, James Sparenberg wrote: Ok, I'm just about to complete my second update from 9.1+plf+texstar to 9.2 via urpmi. The order of march is urpmi.removmedia -a (get rid of all current dbases) urpmi.addmedia (added cooker cooker-contrib and plf-cooker) urpmi urpmi (get the new urpmi first it's ability to download install and then download more is a big boon. But be prepared for a huge list of changes to accompany it as well.) urpmi --auto-auto select --force why the force ... because signatures in the cooker are all over the place, and plf cooker isn't signed with the same sig as the rest of plf etc etc and I got real tired of saying y every 3 or 4 rpms. urpmi kernel. I already have the new kernel running on my 9.1 install, and all seems to be going well. Win4Lin is working and the nVidia drivers are installed. The balance of my plan is as follows: 1) remove all plf and Texstar packages I did it by leaving them in. Total of 4 pkgs had conflicts. I then did a rpm -Uvh --force on those and it was 100% successful. BTW there are plf cooker rpms and you'll want those since they upgrade the plf apps you already have. I've done it on 3 boxes so far without any real problems (a couple of .rpmnew files to move and a reboot, since I did the kernel last.) 2) urpmi.removemedia -a 3) urpmi.addmedia my local Cooker mirror add contrib-cooker from the same server and plf's cooker mirror as well as updates for 9.2 (cooker is frozen but a security hole is ssl was fixed.) 4) urpmi urpmi 5) urpmi --auto-select --auto --no-verify-rpm Don't do the --auto. The reason is that some of the deps are met by 2 or 3 rpms and you will want to chose the one that fits your box the best. 6) Add back plf source and reinstall anything interesting from there If you don't remove it and add the source first... no problem. You'll already have it. 7) Wait for Tex to build cool stuff for 9.2 He's already started *grin*. Hopefully, I won't even have to reboot. I'll report back how it goes. Since you already have the kernel you'll only need to restart X. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thu, 9 Oct 2003 20:53:07 -0700 Eric Huff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep jumping between BlackBox and IceWM. Even on a P4 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM, I love the quickness of a simple WM. Have you tried http://pekwm.org/ (my favorite) XFCE4 (rpms at http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ ) ? They are also realy fast. XFCE4 is more of a desktop, pekwm is just a wm. A few people run XFCE4 with pekwm as their wm. Well, Eric, Thanks for the tip, XFCE4 installs just fine under Cooker 9.2, but it will not run. I installed everything, Xtart cannot see it, it does not show up as a WM in any other WM menu. I tried from a terminal within blackbox, I'm at a loss. No error messages, nothing, just command not found even though slocate shows me where it is. A well, found a nice gtk theme switcher that sylpheed and JPilot use nicely! Tim -- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 21:08, Tim Sawchuck wrote: ... I've messed with XFCE, and it just didn't do it, but now 4 is out, I have to see if it will run under 9.2 Cooker. Tim I've got three cooker systems and it runs a treat on all of them. Follow the instructions here: http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ -- Jack Coates Monkeynoodle: A Scientific Venture... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
Well, Eric, Thanks for the tip, XFCE4 installs just fine under Cooker 9.2, but it will not run. I installed everything, Xtart cannot see it, it does not show up as a WM in any other WM menu. I tried from a terminal within blackbox, I'm at a loss. No error messages, nothing, just command not found even though slocate shows me where it is. Strange. I actually don't use it much, but i just type startxfce4 at the cli when booted at init 3. I'm also using the last version of xfce4 (not the most recent ones). If you want to try it more, the first step may be to boot init 3 and startxfce4 (or just type start then TAB in case it is different now). eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thursday October 9 2003 08:30 pm, James Sparenberg wrote: urpmi --auto-auto select --force why the force ... because signatures in the cooker are all over the place, and plf cooker isn't signed with the same sig as the rest of plf etc etc and I got real tired of saying y every 3 or 4 rpms. urpmi --wget --no-verify-rpm --auto-select -v The no verify part get around the signature deal. I prefer wget as it retries better than curl. Unless you're positive the mirror you're usin is absolutely in order and up to date, --force could be a disaster. -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 18:30, James Sparenberg wrote: Ok, I'm just about to complete my second update from 9.1+plf+texstar to 9.2 via urpmi. The order of march is urpmi.removmedia -a (get rid of all current dbases) urpmi.addmedia (added cooker cooker-contrib and plf-cooker) urpmi urpmi (get the new urpmi first it's ability to download install and then download more is a big boon. But be prepared for a huge list of changes to accompany it as well.) urpmi --auto-auto select --force why the force ... because signatures in the cooker are all over the place, and plf cooker isn't signed with the same sig as the rest of plf etc etc and I got real tired of saying y every 3 or 4 rpms. urpmi kernel. Basic rundown did it work. Yes. Was it quick ... no expect to let the box run almost as long as it takes to download a single ISO. Would I recommend it to anyone but someone who knows MDK... NO I repeat NO. Some rpms won't install because of conflicts with plf or texstar (I forced those like kdebase and kdebase-common.) You also need to know that things like konsole are seperate and don't get installed here. So it's not perfect but dang close. Can it be done over the net YES. I've done it twice that way. Once here at home (local simulation) and once to a box in a remote office for someone. Both times it worked and worked right. Both boxes worked afterward and so far no real problems. All configs etc are retained and as such there was little if anything to do after. I honestly don't like the MDK kde as well as the texstar version (I lose the ability to do full modifications of the panel as well as no randar support.) But it does seem to start faster. More to come. James Forgot to mention 2 things. 1. The box seems to remain usable during the upgrade process. If an rpm fails to install due to conflict it's retained in /var/cache/urpmi/rpms and an rpm -Uvh --force *.rpm seems to take care of the problem. James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:30:13 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm just about to complete my second update from 9.1+plf+texstar to 9.2 via urpmi. The order of march is Just?!?! :-) I did this a few weeks, maybe a month ago after a posting on Distrowatch about this technique. I had not found this list at the time. urpmi.removmedia -a (get rid of all current dbases) urpmi.addmedia (added cooker cooker-contrib and plf-cooker) urpmi urpmi (get the new urpmi first it's ability to download install and then download more is a big boon. But be prepared for a huge list of changes to accompany it as well.) I really recommend doing a uprmi.update -a at this point since the new urpmi and databases work a little differently. urpmi --auto-auto select --force why the force ... because signatures in the cooker are all over the place, and plf cooker isn't signed with the same sig as the rest of plf etc etc and I got real tired of saying y every 3 or 4 rpms. You can use the --no-verify-rpm switch as well. I've found that using the --allow-force switch works better for me, since the dependencies can get funny with textar and plf rpms that might have a newer numbering than the 9.2 versions installing. urpmi kernel. Basic rundown did it work. Yes. Was it quick ... no expect to let the box run almost as long as it takes to download a single ISO. Would I recommend it to anyone but someone who knows MDK... NO I repeat NO. Some rpms won't install because of conflicts with plf or texstar (I forced those like kdebase and kdebase-common.) You also need to know that things like konsole are seperate and don't get installed here. So it's not perfect but dang close. A couple other tricks, use telinit 3 to run from a console. When it is all done, before you reboot, try rpm -Va | grep miss to see if any libraries are missing. I actually had 3 consoles open doing this, with radio keeping me entertained. Can it be done over the net YES. I've done it twice that way. Once here at home (local simulation) and once to a box in a remote office for someone. Both times it worked and worked right. Both boxes worked afterward and so far no real problems. All configs etc are retained and as such there was little if anything to do after. I honestly don't like the MDK kde as well as the texstar version (I lose the ability to do full modifications of the panel as well as no randar support.) But it does seem to start faster. More to come. I keep jumping between BlackBox and IceWM. Even on a P4 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM, I love the quickness of a simple WM. -- ( ) ASCII ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail x registered Linux user # 329428 / \ GnuPG KeyID 6B5A70DF www.keyserver.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 20:11, Tim Sawchuck wrote: On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 18:30:13 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I'm just about to complete my second update from 9.1+plf+texstar to 9.2 via urpmi. The order of march is Just?!?! :-) I did this a few weeks, maybe a month ago after a posting on Distrowatch about this technique. I had not found this list at the time. urpmi.removmedia -a (get rid of all current dbases) urpmi.addmedia (added cooker cooker-contrib and plf-cooker) urpmi urpmi (get the new urpmi first it's ability to download install and then download more is a big boon. But be prepared for a huge list of changes to accompany it as well.) I really recommend doing a uprmi.update -a at this point since the new urpmi and databases work a little differently. forgot that one. Tried it both ways and it made no difference but it's not a bad idea. urpmi --auto-auto select --force why the force ... because signatures in the cooker are all over the place, and plf cooker isn't signed with the same sig as the rest of plf etc etc and I got real tired of saying y every 3 or 4 rpms. You can use the --no-verify-rpm switch as well. I've found that using the --allow-force switch works better for me, since the dependencies can get funny with textar and plf rpms that might have a newer numbering than the 9.2 versions installing. urpmi kernel. Basic rundown did it work. Yes. Was it quick ... no expect to let the box run almost as long as it takes to download a single ISO. Would I recommend it to anyone but someone who knows MDK... NO I repeat NO. Some rpms won't install because of conflicts with plf or texstar (I forced those like kdebase and kdebase-common.) You also need to know that things like konsole are seperate and don't get installed here. So it's not perfect but dang close. A couple other tricks, use telinit 3 to run from a console. When it is all done, before you reboot, try rpm -Va | grep miss to see if any libraries are missing. I actually had 3 consoles open doing this, with radio keeping me entertained. Can it be done over the net YES. I've done it twice that way. Once here at home (local simulation) and once to a box in a remote office for someone. Both times it worked and worked right. Both boxes worked afterward and so far no real problems. All configs etc are retained and as such there was little if anything to do after. I honestly don't like the MDK kde as well as the texstar version (I lose the ability to do full modifications of the panel as well as no randar support.) But it does seem to start faster. More to come. I keep jumping between BlackBox and IceWM. Even on a P4 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM, I love the quickness of a simple WM. True but a lot here do use kde. one question why switch once you are in a window manager who ever sees the desktop *grin* I did do the grep miss what I found out was that I'd never logged in graphically or directly as root. No errors there on either box of any real consequence James Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
I keep jumping between BlackBox and IceWM. Even on a P4 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM, I love the quickness of a simple WM. Have you tried http://pekwm.org/ (my favorite) XFCE4 (rpms at http://clevername.homeip.net/xfce4/ ) ? They are also realy fast. XFCE4 is more of a desktop, pekwm is just a wm. A few people run XFCE4 with pekwm as their wm. eric -- Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [expert] urpmi and upgrades to 9.2
On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 20:41:16 -0700 James Sparenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I keep jumping between BlackBox and IceWM. Even on a P4 1.3GHz, 512Mb RAM, I love the quickness of a simple WM. True but a lot here do use kde. one question why switch once you are in a window manager who ever sees the desktop *grin* Alt Shift F9 on icewm (minimize all) ;) -- while doing file ops on a well maintained file hierarchy is optimal on the command line, for tidying clutter a good speedy GUI file manager like Rox Filer is hard to beat. And the desktop concept as a place to dump things is not a bad user interface (I just wish somebody would write a self-organizing one -- it's a shame that the technology of AI based user interfaces seems to have stopped at Clippy. When I get some time...) Reuben -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
