Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
You know what? That argument is akin to say that since there is crap on the TV when you turn it on that you're being forced by the television programmers to watch the crap. There IS a menu under the 'linux' button that will let you choose 'any' editor you wish to use. And if you don't like any of the ones that come preloaded, you can always go out on the net and download another 100 easy. And most of those are FREE! The same way there a channel selector and an 'off' button on your TV! Mark Well, in point of fact, they are. When vi/vim is the "default" editor of choice when you install linux, you ARE forcing people to use vi. Not everyone knows that you can just edit your .bashrc (or /etc/bashrc) to fix this. John
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, Mallard pushed some tiny letters in this order: Fredrik Nilsson wrote (in part): I have made a short list of some useful commands. WOW, that convinces me, let's see... I want to copy this word so yw, but wait, I have to tell it what word, so Mj on over there near it and then yw and then Mklljjjll on over to where I want it and drop it in (I hope) p then I thank the poster of the abbreviated command list for his attempt to help those struggling to understand vim. It wasn't an attempt to convince anyone of vi's superiority it was just a bit of friendly help. How is M etc. any harder from dos edit's "I want to copy this word so I have to go to line X with the arrow up/down keys, move over to the word using the arrow left/right keys, highlight the word using shift left arrow until it's done, press ctrl-c move back to the line where I want to put it using arrow keys again, press ctrl-v" ? If anything using vim's left 1 word/right 1 word key should speed things up in this instance. Note also that you can also use the arrow keys in vim to do the same. I want to do some insert, let's see is it i or a, or was it I or A, I forgot since yesterday, well let me try it... WHOOPS! I lost what I was Switching to an editing mode you can use any of those keys and a few more too. They all accomplish different things. doing, pressed dd in error and deleted the whole line. no problem, I am a geek and want to sit here all night because it's like making love to my keyboard, gives me a good feeling to press these keys till my fingers are numb. If you ever press dd in error then just issue :u to undo what you just did. If you're ever asking yourself "Am I in command mode or an editing mode??" then 'set showmode on' in your .vimrc will fix that. Vim is designed so that you have less typing to do not more, the trade off being a bit more of a learning curve. I don't care how many wonderful commands it has, TRASH IT! I can't see a simple editor that allows you to edit a few lines taking any more than 20K, so space or features are not a issue here, it's SIMPLICITY. Cursor moves with the arrow keys, insert mode always on (backspace eats) and a In vim the cursor DOES move with the arrow keys. When insert mode is on backspace DOES eat characters. Are you sure you aren't running vim in the horrid 'vi compatibility mode' ? If you want simplicity then by all means feel free to use pico. simple exit like ESC and it asks you if you want to save changes. More is not better for simple tasks. Anything that needs more than that and I will use a GUI editor and FTP the file over if I have to. It's not 1978 anymore! Isn't there something like the Mac user interface guidelines available online? No-one is forcing you to use vim. If you don't like it use something else! Can we kill this thread please? The best thing to come out of it would be for Mandrakesoft to take the suggestion of a default editor selection at installation time because complaining how vi sucks or how vi rocks so much at length is just igniting a holy flame war.
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, you wrote: No-one is forcing you to use vim. If you don't like it use something else! Can we kill this thread please? The best thing to come out of it would be for Mandrakesoft to take the suggestion of a default editor selection at installation time because complaining how vi sucks or how vi rocks so much at length is just igniting a holy flame war. Well, in point of fact, they are. When vi/vim is the "default" editor of choice when you install linux, you ARE forcing people to use vi. Not everyone knows that you can just edit your .bashrc (or /etc/bashrc) to fix this. John
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, John Aldrich pushed some tiny letters in this order: On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, you wrote: No-one is forcing you to use vim. If you don't like it use something else! Can we kill this thread please? The best thing to come out of it would be for Mandrakesoft to take the suggestion of a default editor selection at installation time because complaining how vi sucks or how vi rocks so much at length is just igniting a holy flame war. Well, in point of fact, they are. When vi/vim is the "default" editor of choice when you install linux, you ARE forcing people to use vi. Not everyone knows that you can just edit your .bashrc (or /etc/bashrc) to fix this. John What are the programs that use this environment variable? I just typed `echo $EDITOR` at a prompt and received nothing. I haven't modified any of the system wide profile files or my own .bashrc file since installation, neither have I received any warnings that the env variable isn't set. Tony
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Wed, 16 Aug 2000, you wrote: What are the programs that use this environment variable? I just typed `echo $EDITOR` at a prompt and received nothing. I haven't modified any of the system wide profile files or my own .bashrc file since installation, neither have I received any warnings that the env variable isn't set. Add to .bashrc "export editor=your favorite editor here" My .bashrc has "export EDITOR=joe" in it. I think that if you want something OTHER than the default, you have to specify it that way. SOMEWHERE in one of the default config files, there is an editor specified, and that editor DEFAULTS to vi in every case that I've seen. John
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
What are the programs that use this environment variable? I just typed `echo $EDITOR` at a prompt and received nothing. I haven't modified any of the system wide profile files or my own .bashrc file since installation, neither have I received any warnings that the env variable isn't set. ...right, and hasn't this whole conversation been about what's default? :) When it's unset, vi is used by any sane program that needs something to fall back to, because it's almost guaranteed to be on every UNIX system in existence. Whether you like it or not, vi is the default *because it is default to most every UNIX variant*. :) It's ubiquitous. It's everywhere. -- Ben Reed ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://defiance.dyndns.org/ Fight the InterNIC! http://www.opennic.unrated.net/
Re: Re Re [expert] Vi/Vim - The editor from HELL! How do I setthedefault editor so I can TRASH IT?
On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Mallard wrote: Can you please at least have some respect for the choices of others. The comments on this thread are all turning into flames. Asking Mandrake to change the default editor is one thing, but that doesn't have to involve flaming vi. WOW, that convinces me, let's see... I want to copy this word so yw, but wait, I have to tell it what word, so Mj on over there near it and then yw and then Mklljjjll on over to where I want it and drop it in (I hope) p then I want to do some insert, let's see is it i or a, or was it I or A, I forgot since yesterday, well let me try it... WHOOPS! I lost what I was doing, pressed dd in error and deleted the whole line. no problem, I am a geek and want to sit here all night because it's like making love to my keyboard, gives me a good feeling to press these keys till my fingers are numb. -- Regards, Ellick Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aug 15
