Re: [Factor-talk] Wikipedia page flagged for notability and possible deletion
> "Zed Shaw. (2008) (flv). The ACL is Dead, a presentation created with > Factor/lots of mentions and praise of Factor. [CUSEC 2008]. CUSEC." That is how I first heard of the language. > Similarly, I believe that Wikipedia admins look somewhat coolly on > people using (crass/emotive/choose a perjorative adjective) language on > talk pages. I only use such language if I meet extreme stupidity and I have one of those days. On the other hand I do not think that Slava is a demigod or Factor is the Messiah. It is just a nice language which appeals to me with its RPN, which I also used in my own experimental Forth spinoff. And with its highly useful and well built constructs and strength. It badly needs documentation and some sensible promotion - even though I never ever promoted one of my previous products, that is not the zen way... Cheers -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Wikipedia page flagged for notability and possible deletion
There is also this Zed Shaw presentation, created in Factor, talking about/praising Factor several times: http://vimeo.com/2723800 On Feb 14, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Jon Harper wrote: > One argument is that factor is recognized by github, and has many tasks > implemented on rosettacode.org. Also there's this website which runs code > pastes (cant remember the name though, there was a mail on this list) that > supports factor. > > >> Le 14 févr. 2011 01:25, "Ed Keith" a écrit : >> >> --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Chris Double wrote: >> >> > From: Chris Double >> > Subject: [Factor-talk] Wikipedia page flagged for notability and possible >> > deletion >> > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> > Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 7:19 PM >> > Just a heads up that the Factor >> > wikipedia page has been flagged as >> > possibly not being notable ... >> >> I think someone is on a crusade to get everything but his or her pet subject >> removed from Wikipedia. Half the pages I've visited in the last moth have >> been marked for deletion. If they all go there will not be much left. >> >> -EdK >> >> Ed Keith >> e_...@yahoo.com >> >> Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> It's here! Your new message! >> Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. >> http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ >> >> -- >> The ultimate all-in-... >> > > -- > The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: > Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. > Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. > Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Wikipedia page flagged for notability and possible deletion
Hi Guys, first and foremost: fortunately who appreciates languages like Factor will find them on the web anyway. If I could find False (and Malbolge and Brainfuck) ages ago without the help of Jimmy Wales then Factor is not so easy to miss either. secondly I had to leave this comment on the discussion page: ::: Re: Re: Tobias, unfortunately you are not notable to most of us Wikipedia readers, probably your entries should be deleted from here. On the other hand and to change the tone, Factor is one of the most advanced programming languages today, along with Clojure and REBOL. Since I already know and like the language and do not want to find it on the web again, just delete away the entry! How the bloody hell can there be a guideline which says that a scientific or engineering feat as advanced as Factor should be simply omitted? And Jimmy Wales wanted my money for that the other day with those handsome portraits. My buttocks. Hope no one is offended... Cheers, Balazs On Feb 14, 2011, at 1:25 AM, Ed Keith wrote: > --- On Sun, 2/13/11, Chris Double wrote: > >> From: Chris Double >> Subject: [Factor-talk] Wikipedia page flagged for notability and possible >> deletion >> To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net >> Date: Sunday, February 13, 2011, 7:19 PM >> Just a heads up that the Factor >> wikipedia page has been flagged as >> possibly not being notable and may be deleted: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factor_%28programming_language%29 >> >> Someone is going on a crusade to delete non-notable >> languages with a >> few pages already deleted or up for deletion. See here for >> some (eg. >> Joy and Cat): >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting/Computing >> >> if you have any references that show Factor as being >> notable then now >> would be a good time to get involved in the discussion. >> >> Chris. > > I think someone is on a crusade to get everything but his or her pet subject > removed from Wikipedia. Half the pages I've visited in the last moth have > been marked for deletion. If they all go there will not be much left. > > -EdK > > Ed Keith > e_...@yahoo.com > > Blog: edkeith.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > It's here! Your new message! > Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > > -- > The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: > Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. > Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. > Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows
It seems as if we swayed away from the main topic a wee bit here. Quite nice git tutorial forming though :) On Nov 15, 2010, at 3:24 AM, Jim mack wrote: > There is a subfolder in my work folder called .git This is what I think of > as the repository. When you do a git add or commit, it's going between > these two places. When you do a clone, push, pull, or fetch you're going to > some remote place as well. > > On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Shaping wrote: > Yes. By "directory" below is meant place of the "repo", whether a local > place or a remote one. > > > Shaping > > -Original Message- > From: William Tanksley, Jr [mailto:wtanksle...@gmail.com] > Sent: 2010-November-14, 17:42 > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Furnace on Windows > > Shaping wrote: > >> If you have a personal git host somewhere, and there are free ones, try > >> making two clones of the same little folder > > I thought one clones only a repo. > > Every working directory cloned from a repo is itself a repo. This is > why git is a "decentralized" and "distributed" version control system, > as opposed to CVS and Subversion, both of which are centralized. > > > Shaping > > -Wm > > > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk > > > > -- > Jim > "I'm for extending the working Medicare program for our seniors all the way > back to contraception, so Americans can concentrate on living their lives > without fear of changing a job, going bankrupt from deductibles or fighting > HMO bureaucracy." > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Thanks! On Nov 13, 2010, at 4:34 AM, Slava Pestov wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 3:09 AM, Balazs Toth wrote: >> - is Factor anywhere already used commercially? Is the making of the >> language financially efficient or only a side project currently for you >> Slava? About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the >> help? > > Factor development was funded for two years and I was working on it > full time for a bit longer than that, together with Doug, Joe, and Ed. > Nowadays I took up employment elsewhere and don't have much free time. > However the implementation is pretty reliable at this point. > > Slava > > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Hi Jeff, about ..a I have found a quite good explanation in this article: http://factorcode.org/littledan/dls.pdf 2.1.3 Stack effects Cheers, Balazs On Nov 12, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Jeff C. Britton wrote: > Adding to these suggestions, I find the language reference with respect > to the syntax of stack effect comments a bit too terse. > > I don't understand what ..a represents. > I have seen ( title/attributes -- ), and don't know if the / has > meaning. > I have seen ( seq -- seq') and don't know what the ' represents. > > --Jeff B. > > -Original Message- > From: Shaping [mailto:shap...@charter.net] > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:01 PM > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics > > Chris, I like your document, even though it is out of date. > > I think Balazs wants (as would I and others, I suspect) a nearly linear > tutorial-like instruction, including: setting up the Git repository; > checking out the clean branch; building Factor from that branch; running > Factor; setting up your Emacs editor (pick the best editor and use it to > show off the color and formatting; Factor looks like hell in black and > white); some simple instruction on tweaking font styles and sizes in the > Listener, Browser, and your Emacs editor; Slava's palindrome tutorial; > his > little GUI-with-button-that-beeps tutorial; his TCP time-server tutorial > (and more). Describe how to use the most often used features, the ones > you > must know to be fluent and effective, like hitting F2 in the Listener > after > saving code in your editor, to pull in and compile all changed > source-code > files, or using Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p for easily recalling and looping > through > all of your previously entered expressions, and so on. You, the fluent > ones, can add some much more good stuff to this basic path of > instruction, > which should be a narrow tree with a clear path toward fluency with the > environ and minimal competency with the language, with a few branches > off to > side-topics, with appropriate links into the Browser help system, for > deeper, optional study. You don't want to overload the new guy with the > massive hypertree of Factor knowledge. It's too much, but will be > become > very approachable once a practical foundation is laid with a few basic > programming exercises and practical advice on how to use the tools (Git, > Listener, Browser, Emacs). > > > Shaping > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Double [mailto:chris.dou...@double.co.nz] > Sent: 2010-November-11, 05:24 > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Balazs Toth > wrote: >> - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor > somewhere? > Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? > The > help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already > knows > what he is looking for. > > The built-in help, http://docs.factorcode.org and various blogs posts > are what is available. > >> - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of > the > system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a > supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and > lack > of a handbook. > > The learning curve is not really 'unreal'. I learnt it back when it > had no documentation at all! That aside a printable readable document > would be nice. No one has stepped up to write one yet. There used to > be a 'Factor Handbook' PDF and maybe something like that would still > be useful. Here's the last version I generated from the latex source: > > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/handbook.pdf > > (Note that it's way out of date. I just present it to show the type of > thing that might be useful). > >> About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the > help? > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > Chris. > -- > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz > > > > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
The handbook seems indeed like what I need. I'll probably create an updated version of it from sections of the help. -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Hi, I really hope you won't find my feedback egocentric, I simply state my opinion this way because I believe others might have the same view as me. - Linearity: absolutely. That is what I need the first time. And I mean Factor handbook / The language only - language concepts, basic combinators, etc, but from this territory everything! After that, the hypertext is just perfect, but I have to get to it somehow without losing my momentum. They say that until you have a goal you can achieve it because you have motivation. Without knowing the features of a language though I cannot set a reasonable goal. (Learning the language itself is no goal, doing something with it is one.) So I have to go through the docs without motivation and if they are unfriendly I will simply leave them be :) I have to mention that I really like the short straightforward nature of the descriptions though! Very good work. But linearity would be key, too. - General setup and accessibility: with that I did not have any problem, jEdit supports Factor out of the box so I had no difficulty with syntax highlighting either. That must be home territory for the language though for trivial reasons... The "one app bundled with everything for every platform" philosophy is also very appealing to me! I would need such a doc, too. - Tutorials: the palindrome was all right, but it is maybe not enough. Though far not as important as a readable doc! My learning style just needs some fundamentals then I can go and experiment myself. Another important remark: you really have to consider what is on the other side: Clojure is on the other side! If you want to stay alive in the long run, Factor has to be accessible! It is appealing already and people know it. And they begin with the Factor UI and they like it, then they want to develop professional applications with it and they have difficulties. On the other had they watch the overwhelmingly awesome presentations of Rich Hickey and fetch a short book on Clojure and have the almost instant opportunity to start professional development on an equally appealing platform. Not an easy situation - but it can be if you do the right moves. I guess I have to be promiscuous after all since both languages provide me continuous orgasms and stimulation with their depth and sanity. Bye, Balazs On Nov 12, 2010, at 8:01 AM, Shaping wrote: > Chris, I like your document, even though it is out of date. > > I think Balazs wants (as would I and others, I suspect) a nearly linear > tutorial-like instruction, including: setting up the Git repository; > checking out the clean branch; building Factor from that branch; running > Factor; setting up your Emacs editor (pick the best editor and use it to > show off the color and formatting; Factor looks like hell in black and > white); some simple instruction on tweaking font styles and sizes in the > Listener, Browser, and your Emacs editor; Slava's palindrome tutorial; his > little GUI-with-button-that-beeps tutorial; his TCP time-server tutorial > (and more). Describe how to use the most often used features, the ones you > must know to be fluent and effective, like hitting F2 in the Listener after > saving code in your editor, to pull in and compile all changed source-code > files, or using Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p for easily recalling and looping through > all of your previously entered expressions, and so on. You, the fluent > ones, can add some much more good stuff to this basic path of instruction, > which should be a narrow tree with a clear path toward fluency with the > environ and minimal competency with the language, with a few branches off to > side-topics, with appropriate links into the Browser help system, for > deeper, optional study. You don't want to overload the new guy with the > massive hypertree of Factor knowledge. It's too much, but will be become > very approachable once a practical foundation is laid with a few basic > programming exercises and practical advice on how to use the tools (Git, > Listener, Browser, Emacs). > > > Shaping > > -Original Message- > From: Chris Double [mailto:chris.dou...@double.co.nz] > Sent: 2010-November-11, 05:24 > To: factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics > > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Balazs Toth wrote: >> - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? > Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The > help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows > what he is looking for. > > The built-in help, http://docs.factorcode.org and various blogs posts > are what is available. > >> - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the > system by someones
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Thank you! On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Joe Groff wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Balazs Toth wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> thanks for the answer. About the reliability of the features: I am curious >> how often do you stumble upon a feature that is not fully implemented, or >> not implemented in a cross-platform way. >> > > The stuff in basis/ has generally been around the block a few times. > Our web framework in particular drives the Factor project's web sites > along with a few other sites without much fuss. Chris or Slava could > give you more details there. With Factor we try to follow test-driven > development practices. The binary packages on the Factor web site are > generated by a continuous build system that requires all tests to pass > before accepting and publishing a build. when new bugs are reported we > add regression tests to ensure those problems don't arise again. If > you want an arbitrary yardstick to guesstimate feature reliability by, > you could look at the size of a module's test suite. > > -Joe > > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
Re: [Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Hi Chris, thanks for the answer. About the reliability of the features: I am curious how often do you stumble upon a feature that is not fully implemented, or not implemented in a cross-platform way. Bye, Balazs On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Chris Double wrote: > On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 12:09 AM, Balazs Toth wrote: >> - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or >> at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help >> system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what >> he is looking for. > > The built-in help, http://docs.factorcode.org and various blogs posts > are what is available. > >> - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the >> system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a >> supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack >> of a handbook. > > The learning curve is not really 'unreal'. I learnt it back when it > had no documentation at all! That aside a printable readable document > would be nice. No one has stepped up to write one yet. There used to > be a 'Factor Handbook' PDF and maybe something like that would still > be useful. Here's the last version I generated from the latex source: > > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/handbook.pdf > > (Note that it's way out of date. I just present it to show the type of > thing that might be useful). > >> About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the help? > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > Chris. > -- > http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz > > -- > Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture > Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using > Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end > client virtualization framework. Read more! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev > ___ > Factor-talk mailing list > Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Docs and other topics
Hi, I don't know if my previous mail reached the list or not, but let me ask you once again: - is there some accumulated, readable documentation of Factor somewhere? Or at least a cheat sheet about the various features of the language? The help system is really nice and sufficient as it is if someone already knows what he is looking for. - in another thread you are talking about the UI and the adaptation of the system by someones supervisor. I would like to adapt the language as a supervisor, but cannot do that because of its unreal learning curve and lack of a handbook. - is Factor anywhere already used commercially? Is the making of the language financially efficient or only a side project currently for you Slava? About how reliable are the various features one can read about in the help? Thanks, Balazs -- Centralized Desktop Delivery: Dell and VMware Reference Architecture Simplifying enterprise desktop deployment and management using Dell EqualLogic storage and VMware View: A highly scalable, end-to-end client virtualization framework. Read more! http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-eql-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
[Factor-talk] Factor docs
Hi Guys, I would like to ask, if any one of you have created a PDF version of the Factor docu, a cheat sheet or anything else that helps learning the language. I am reading about Factor and parsing code since some weeks now and it really challenges one's memory and patience. It is a really appealing language, I always liket Forth variants, also created a simple one myself, but learning Factor is quite hard currently. Factor has an excellent UI and Help system, but I would need some accumulated documentation for it to have an overview about it. (I designed a web debug tool some time before, and it had the *exact same* features than the Factor UI, that is why I like it so much :) By my opinion it would be really important to enable developers to enter this world more easily and for that we need at least readable documentation. The nature of the language will prevent the masses from learning it anyway :) On the other hand there is Clojure of course and regarding learning curve the two is hard to compare... Your opinion? Any insights are appreciated :) Cheers, Balazs -- The Next 800 Companies to Lead America's Growth: New Video Whitepaper David G. Thomson, author of the best-selling book "Blueprint to a Billion" shares his insights and actions to help propel your business during the next growth cycle. Listen Now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/SAP-dev2dev ___ Factor-talk mailing list Factor-talk@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/factor-talk
