[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 People who ARE teachers of TM are still teachers of TM (though they
 can't teach) but they are NOT governors?
 
 I thought a Governor was a TM teacher who had the sidhis. I wonder why
 they don't just say if not recertified, one is no longer an initiator?
 
 Don
 
But I can still check the meditation of those that I have taught. 

Such bullshit! Try explaining that to the local meditators!

JohnY


 Patrick Gillam wrote:
 
   Raja Wynne wrote:
  
   6. People who are teachers of Transcendental
   Meditation and are not recertified are no longer
   Governors and of course are not allowed
   to teach, lecture, etc.
 
  I'll strike it from my curriculum vita.
 
  Speaking of which, can anyone recommend a
  workaround to having Maharishi International
  University on one's résumé?
 
   - Patrick Gillam
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread George DeForest
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 JohnY wrote:
 
 But I can still check the meditation
 of those that I have taught...
 Such bullshit!

the once noble Govenor now lives 
disgraced as a lowly checker !!

aint Sat Yuga grand?!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest
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 .
 
  JohnY wrote:
  
  But I can still check the meditation
  of those that I have taught...
  Such bullshit!
 
 the once noble Govenor now lives 
 disgraced as a lowly checker !!
 
 aint Sat Yuga grand?!

tongue in cheek ;)  ?... Nothing lowly about checking but it does put
some of the 'wierdness' up front for the meditators to see. Meditators
with a 'public' life will be running for cover

JohnY





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Malls idea: worse than NLP?

2005-05-08 Thread George DeForest
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 dr_bevan_morris wrote:
 Dear Shem,
 The malls idea is great, and you should
 be proud and walk tall.

Dr Bevan, you should loose a bunch of 
weight, if you want to be proud and walk tall!






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Question about Baskaran Pillai / Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
 I thought the CIA had let the Movement alone many years ago.
 
 Apparently I'm wrong. The spirit of the fundamentalist Jimmy Carter 
is 
 very much alive.
  
 It seems they are still very much active, and now the scene is FFL. 
 After several unsuccsessful murder attacks on MMY, they are now 
 rejoycing in anticipated failiures of the Movement. Keep up the 
good 
 works guys, you are representing the same lowly forces that killed 
 Jesus.
 
  Though Maharishi you will never get, simply because you are too 
 dull, and too stupid.

Wow.  Lurking here has been a real education.
Guess we know where the mindset of the death
threats against other spiritual teachers 
visiting Fairfield came from, eh?

Barry/Unc






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[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and the Movement

2005-05-08 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  
  After several unsuccsessful murder attacks on MMY, 
 
 Huh? Care to elaborate. I know about the helicoptor crash, the
 electric shock, the pancreititus and heart problems Deepak reported.
 But murder attempts?

Maharishi had 2 Dakotas refurmbished in Germany. One of them was 
blown up with a bomb 30 minutes before takeoff. Apparently MMY sent 
someone along to alert the pilots who got away unharmed. Though this 
is a rumour, the source was pretty sound. 
Another inscident was the american, suitclad fellow caught in the 
Kulm with a gun, heading for MMY's suite. Within days the 
metaldetectors where installed and the WYMS in charge of an even 
tighter security.

These and other plots could not succeed because Maharishi saw what 
was happening and simply did not show up. Invincebility in daily life 
so to speek.




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[FairfieldLife] SHRI

2005-05-08 Thread hhhvaidya
PLEASE READ THE MATTER OF THE WEB SITE OF JAGADGURU SHANKARACHARYA 
 http://www.angelfire.com/magic2/shankaracharya/  
AND EVEN IF YOU ARE CONFUSED THAT WHO ARE REAL FOUR SHANKARACHARYAS 
THEN PLEASE FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME...
 NONE OF THE FOUR REAL SHANKARACHARYAS HAVE GOT ARRESTED IN CASE OF 
MURDER.

HRISHIKESH.




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[FairfieldLife] Fw: [Shakti_Sadhana] Statues of Gurus Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread Llundrub






- Original Message - 
From: Len 
Rosenberg 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:23 AM
Subject: [Shakti_Sadhana] Statues of Gurus
A friend of mine (let's call her Carrie) is a 
bigdevotee of a Tamil Siddha who calls himself Baba ShriSiva. I've 
been a guest of Carrie's at publicsatsangs held by Shri Siva in New York -- 
they areexpensive, I can't afford them, and Carrie can't treatme to them 
very often.Shri Siva has some power as a Guru, and his teachingsare 
interesting, but he obviously is aiming for afollowing among America's 
money-ed Yuppies. I am adevotee of Ammachi of Kerala, and I've taken 
Carrie tohave darshan of Ammachi as well. Carrie is notimpressed; 
she says Ammachi is a nice lady who hugspeople. Shri Siva, she says, 
chants in a way thatraises her kundalini, and besides, his teachings 
aremore valuable if they are expensive. (This makes 
melaugh.)Recently, Carrie told me that devotees who paidhundreds 
of dollars to Shri Siva for private darshanhave gotten special E-mail 
notices. A source ofyantras and other Hindu religious devices is 
makinglimited editions of panch-loka murthies of Shri Siva,which the 
devotees can buy for lots of bucks. Carrieis considering buying 
one.My question: Is this a usual procedure in Hinduism? I know 
that the ISKCON people sell statues of SwamiPrabhupad for worship. I 
also believe the SYDA Yogapeople make available statues of Swami 
Nityananda,suitable for performing puja upon. But Prabhupad 
andNityananda have dropped their bodies. Is it normal toworship a 
murthi of one's spiritual preceptor while heis still alive?Carrie 
points out that Ammachi's followers sellhuggable Amma dolls for plenty of 
money, too. But thedolls aren't being worshipped (I don't think they 
are,anyway). Carrie is thinking that the Shri Siva murthiwill be 
an investment, as well as a source of bhakti. And besides, she points out, 
Shri Siva is thin anddistinguished-looking. She thinks Ammachi is fat 
andcommonplace.I don't understand my friend Carrie at 
all.Comments?-- Len/ Kalipadma 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread Llundrub





Is it possible to 
have a two post conversation with Lupidus without shareint shoved in your 
face?No. Welcome to FFL.lurkLupidus is a spy for Share Intl. He is everywhere 
on the net. 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread wayback71
Your average meditator will not care one hoot about the recent changes in the 
structure 
of the TMO as it applies to what a Governor can or can no longer do.  As long 
as they can 
hear a lecture, get instructed and get checked, their needs have been met.Only 
former 
Governors think this is a big deal.   And with a few hundred new recert 
teachers, and with 
so few people caring to learn TM, these Recerts will have plenty of time to 
teach and check 
those that need it.  In fact, since the Recerts need to initiate 2 people per 
month at full 
price, they may be very motivated.  The first $4,000 paycheck is supposed to 
arrive at the 
end of May.  Shall we guess when and if they arrive?   
 Also, has anyone heard of a mall space anywhere that has been found and 
leased for 
the Enlightenment Centers?  I hear that here on the East Coast, the rents are 
so high that 
the amount allotted by the TMO won't even get them into a tiny dump in a poorly 
trafficked, downscale location.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, George DeForest
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .
  
   JohnY wrote:
   
   But I can still check the meditation
   of those that I have taught...
   Such bullshit!
  
  the once noble Govenor now lives 
  disgraced as a lowly checker !!
  
  aint Sat Yuga grand?!
 
 tongue in cheek ;)  ?... Nothing lowly about checking but it does put
 some of the 'wierdness' up front for the meditators to see. Meditators
 with a 'public' life will be running for cover
 
 JohnY




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[FairfieldLife] 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread George DeForest
Title: Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!






- Original Message - 
From: Kathy Petersen 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!

Dear Friends and Neighbors in Maharishi Vedic 
City,

We have recently completed the First Governor 
Recertification Course and are both feeling very honored and fortunate to have 
been assigned to Maharishi Vedic City for our Peace Palace city!

We have great good news to share with you regarding the 
Peace Palace project for Maharishi Vedic City. Yesterday the Mayor of the 
city, His Highness Raja Wynne, donated the necessary land for the entire Peace 
Palace complex (about 9 acres). This kind and generous action on Raja 
Wynne's part ensures a permanent home for all aspects of Maharishi's Vedic 
Knowledge in our beloved city, for ourselves and for all generations to 
come.

The land is located at the center of the city, just 
west of the Brahmasthan of the city, so that both the Men's and Ladies' Peace 
Palaces will face east towards the Brahmasthan and overlook that beautiful open 
space where Sat Yuga will descend in Maharishi Vedic City.

We will get the exact parcel of land surveyed and 
staked in the next few days, so that everyone knows exactly where the Peace 
Palaces will rise up!!

The Peace Palaces will house all of Maharishi's 
programs. Both the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces will offer all aspects 
of Maharishi's Total Knowledge--the Transcendental Meditation Program, the 
Advanced Techniques, the TM Sidhi Program, Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology, 
the Maharishi Jyotish Consultations and Yagya program (the yagyas will be 
performed in India), PK and M Spa treatments, MAPI products for sale, Maharishi 
Sthapatya Veda, yogic flying halls, Maharishi Vedic Organic restaurants, 
festival halls, and so forth. Everything that we need for our personal 
evolution and the well being of the whole world will be available to us in the 
Peace Palaces!

In the perfect vastu of the Peace Palaces, Maharishi's 
Knowledge will be kept pure and complete for all suceeding generations of 
Maharishi Vedic City residents. These beautiful marble buildings will 
house the full glory of the perfection of Total Knowledge which has come to us 
from the Holy Tradition via Maharishi.

At www.globalcountry.org you will find 
an overview of the Peace Palaces themselves (click where it says "3000 Peace 
Palaces"). The Peace Palaces shown on the webpage are not quite the final 
version, but will give everyone a very good idea of what is planned. In 
Maharishi Vedic City we will have the grand configuration of a tower in the 
center, flanked by a Men's and Ladies' Peace Palace, with many annexes at the 
rear which will house the clinics, flying halls, restaurants, etc.

We know that all of you will be as excited as we are 
about this project!! The Peace Palaces will be the heart and soul of our 
city and of our Vedic way of life which we enjoy here in Maharishi Vedic 
City.

We invite everyonetoparticipate in raising 
the moneyto build these palaces of knowledge. We hope that everyone 
will donate generously to the project!! Also, you may invest in the 
project either through buying World Peace Bonds (sold to "qualified investors" 
only), and through other interest-paying loans. The Global Country of 
World Peace will own the Peace Palaces, soany donation you make or money 
you loan will beto the Global Country.

We will soon be opening temporary offices in the 
Central Bank building, which will serve us until we can construct our beautiful 
Peace Palaces. But until we have that office up and running, please feel 
free to contact us at our homes. We welcome everyone's participation as we 
work together to manifest the Peace Palaces. Having the land is such a 
beautiful and substancial first step!!

With all warmest wishes to you in this 50th jubilee 
year of Maharishi's Movement.

Jai Guru Dev

Mac Muehlman, Director, Maharishi Vedic CityMen's 
Peace Palace
472-8625
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Cynthia Parker, Director, Maharishi Vedic City Ladies' 
Peace Palace
472-4353
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: [Shakti_Sadhana] Statues of Gurus Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB
Len / Kalipadma writes:
 A friend of mine (let's call her Carrie) is a big
 devotee of a Tamil Siddha who calls himself Baba Shri
 Siva.  I've been a guest of Carrie's at public
 satsangs held by Shri Siva in New York -- they are
 expensive, I can't afford them, and Carrie can't treat
 me to them very often.
 
 Shri Siva has some power as a Guru, and his teachings
 are interesting, but he obviously is aiming for a
 following among America's money-ed Yuppies.  I am a
 devotee of Ammachi of Kerala, and I've taken Carrie to
 have darshan of Ammachi as well.  Carrie is not
 impressed; she says Ammachi is a nice lady who hugs
 people.  Shri Siva, she says, chants in a way that
 raises her kundalini, and besides, his teachings are
 more valuable if they are expensive.  (This makes me
 laugh.)

I've never met the fellow.  When former students of
a guy I studied with started talking about him, I
checked out his website and got an immediate hit
on him that screamed, Charlatan.  The experiences
reported back to me by those who got involved with
him for a while have tended to reinforce my initial
reaction.

The people I know would have been attracted to him
for two reasons.  First, he talks about money, and
making money, a lot, and that was their mindset.
Second, he seems to have a basic ability to broad-
cast a (IMO) low-grade shakti that gets people
temporarily high.  For many people, including the
people I knew, this equates to enlightenment.

 Recently, Carrie told me that devotees who paid
 hundreds of dollars to Shri Siva for private darshan
 have gotten special E-mail notices.  A source of
 yantras and other Hindu religious devices is making
 limited editions of panch-loka murthies of Shri Siva,
 which the devotees can buy for lots of bucks.  Carrie
 is considering buying one.

It's far from as silly as these things get.  Adi Da
(aka Franklin Jones, Da Free John, whatever) once
auctioned off several of his used Q-tips to devoted
students for hundreds of dollars each.  Gotcher
enlightened earwax yet?  :-)
 
 My question:  Is this a usual procedure in Hinduism? 
 I know that the ISKCON people sell statues of Swami
 Prabhupad for worship.  I also believe the SYDA Yoga
 people make available statues of Swami Nityananda,
 suitable for performing puja upon.  But Prabhupad and
 Nityananda have dropped their bodies.  Is it normal to
 worship a murthi of one's spiritual preceptor while he
 is still alive?
 
 Carrie points out that Ammachi's followers sell
 huggable Amma dolls for plenty of money, too.  But the
 dolls aren't being worshipped (I don't think they are,
 anyway).  Carrie is thinking that the Shri Siva murthi
 will be an investment, as well as a source of bhakti. 
 And besides, she points out, Shri Siva is thin and
 distinguished-looking.  She thinks Ammachi is fat and
 commonplace.
 
 I don't understand my friend Carrie at all.
 
 Comments?

Sounds like a normal, everyday shakti junkie to me.
It's a rush, in every sense of that word, and the
operating principle for those who sell shakti highs
seems to be the same as the drug pusher on the 
school playground, The first one's free.

I've been there, done that with teachers who can do
this, and while I agree that the experience is a 
rush, I am not convinced that it has any more last-
ing value for a person's spiritual advancement than
shooting up heroin.  *And* it has a serious down
side in that many of the people who have gotten
hooked on the free ride they get from someone
else's shakti often (*very* often) come to believe
that it's the only way they can *get* high.  They
stop pursuing their own meditations, and come to
rely on the regular hit of bliss they get when
they see the teacher.  I cannot help but believe
that this is not quite the pathway to enlightenment.

Hope this helps,

Barry Wright






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Fw: [Shakti_Sadhana] Statues of Gurus Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread Peter Sutphen
If you're attracted to a teacher go hang with them,
practice their sadhana for a few years and see what
happens. You can only know something by doing it. A
spiritual pissing contest between who's guru is
greater is absurd and is an endless mental arguement.
I don't know anything about Baba Shri Shiva and I have
no attraction to follow his teachings. He's not my
alarm clock, but that doesn't mean he can't wake
someone else up. I get hits off him, too, but what
is my projection and what is reality is something I
can't discriminate between right now.
-Peter

--- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Len Rosenberg 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 1:23 AM
 Subject: [Shakti_Sadhana] Statues of Gurus
 
 
 
 A friend of mine (let's call her Carrie) is a big
 devotee of a Tamil Siddha who calls himself Baba
 Shri
 Siva.  I've been a guest of Carrie's at public
 satsangs held by Shri Siva in New York -- they are
 expensive, I can't afford them, and Carrie can't
 treat
 me to them very often.
 
 Shri Siva has some power as a Guru, and his
 teachings
 are interesting, but he obviously is aiming for a
 following among America's money-ed Yuppies.  I am a
 devotee of Ammachi of Kerala, and I've taken Carrie
 to
 have darshan of Ammachi as well.  Carrie is not
 impressed; she says Ammachi is a nice lady who hugs
 people.  Shri Siva, she says, chants in a way that
 raises her kundalini, and besides, his teachings are
 more valuable if they are expensive.  (This makes me
 laugh.)
 
 Recently, Carrie told me that devotees who paid
 hundreds of dollars to Shri Siva for private darshan
 have gotten special E-mail notices.  A source of
 yantras and other Hindu religious devices is making
 limited editions of panch-loka murthies of Shri
 Siva,
 which the devotees can buy for lots of bucks. 
 Carrie
 is considering buying one.
 
 My question:  Is this a usual procedure in Hinduism?
 
 I know that the ISKCON people sell statues of Swami
 Prabhupad for worship.  I also believe the SYDA Yoga
 people make available statues of Swami Nityananda,
 suitable for performing puja upon.  But Prabhupad
 and
 Nityananda have dropped their bodies.  Is it normal
 to
 worship a murthi of one's spiritual preceptor while
 he
 is still alive?
 
 Carrie points out that Ammachi's followers sell
 huggable Amma dolls for plenty of money, too.  But
 the
 dolls aren't being worshipped (I don't think they
 are,
 anyway).  Carrie is thinking that the Shri Siva
 murthi
 will be an investment, as well as a source of
 bhakti. 
 And besides, she points out, Shri Siva is thin and
 distinguished-looking.  She thinks Ammachi is fat
 and
 commonplace.
 
 I don't understand my friend Carrie at all.
 
 Comments?
 
 -- Len/ Kalipadma
   
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread Peter Sutphen
Hehehe...the madness, THE MADNESS! I love it. Not a
single thing for the mind to attach to. It all reminds
me of the Woody Alan movie, Bananas about a
revolution in a Latin American country where the
revolutionary leader, after overthrowing the corrupt
government, gives an insane speech making everyone
change their underwear every few hours and to make
sure it's done, underwear will now be worn on the
outside! Watching his inspired revolutionary comrades
struggle with their cognitive dissonance is a hoot!
-Peter

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 Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!
 - Original Message - 
 From: Kathy Petersen 
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:14 PM
 Subject: Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!
 
 
 Dear Friends and Neighbors in Maharishi Vedic City,
 
 We have recently completed the First Governor
 Recertification Course and are both feeling very
 honored and fortunate to have been assigned to
 Maharishi Vedic City for our Peace Palace city!
 
 We have great good news to share with you regarding
 the Peace Palace project for Maharishi Vedic City. 
 Yesterday the Mayor of the city, His Highness Raja
 Wynne, donated the necessary land for the entire
 Peace Palace complex (about 9 acres).  This kind and
 generous action on Raja Wynne's part ensures a
 permanent home for all aspects of Maharishi's Vedic
 Knowledge in our beloved city, for ourselves and for
 all generations to come.
 
 The land is located at the center of the city, just
 west of the Brahmasthan of the city, so that both
 the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces will face east
 towards the Brahmasthan and overlook that beautiful
 open space where Sat Yuga will descend in Maharishi
 Vedic City.
 
 We will get the exact parcel of land surveyed and
 staked in the next few days, so that everyone knows
 exactly where the Peace Palaces will rise up!!
 
 The Peace Palaces will house all of Maharishi's
 programs.  Both the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces
 will offer all aspects of Maharishi's Total
 Knowledge--the Transcendental Meditation Program,
 the Advanced Techniques, the TM Sidhi Program,
 Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology, the Maharishi
 Jyotish Consultations and Yagya program (the yagyas
 will be performed in India), PK and M Spa
 treatments, MAPI products for sale, Maharishi
 Sthapatya Veda, yogic flying halls, Maharishi Vedic
 Organic restaurants, festival halls, and so forth. 
 Everything that we need for our personal evolution
 and the well being of the whole world will be
 available to us in the Peace Palaces!
 
 In the perfect vastu of the Peace Palaces,
 Maharishi's Knowledge will be kept pure and complete
 for all suceeding generations of Maharishi Vedic
 City residents.  These beautiful marble buildings
 will house the full glory of the perfection of Total
 Knowledge which has come to us from the Holy
 Tradition via Maharishi.
 
 At www.globalcountry.org you will find an overview
 of the Peace Palaces themselves (click where it says
 3000 Peace Palaces).  The Peace Palaces shown on
 the webpage are not quite the final version, but
 will give everyone a very good idea of what is
 planned.  In Maharishi Vedic City we will have the
 grand configuration of a tower in the center,
 flanked by a Men's and Ladies' Peace Palace, with
 many annexes at the rear which will house the
 clinics, flying halls, restaurants, etc.
 
 We know that all of you will be as excited as we are
 about this project!!  The Peace Palaces will be the
 heart and soul of our city and of our Vedic way of
 life which we enjoy here in Maharishi Vedic City.
 
 We invite everyone to participate in raising the
 money to build these palaces of knowledge.  We hope
 that everyone will donate generously to the
 project!!  Also, you may invest in the project
 either through buying World Peace Bonds (sold to
 qualified investors only), and through other
 interest-paying loans.  The Global Country of World
 Peace will own the Peace Palaces, so any donation
 you make or money you loan will be to the Global
 Country.
 
 We will soon be opening temporary offices in the
 Central Bank building, which will serve us until we
 can construct our beautiful Peace Palaces.  But
 until we have that office up and running, please
 feel free to contact us at our homes.  We welcome
 everyone's participation as we work together to
 manifest the Peace Palaces.  Having the land is such
 a beautiful and substancial first step!!
 
 With all warmest wishes to you in this 50th jubilee
 year of Maharishi's Movement.
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
 Mac Muehlman, Director, Maharishi Vedic City Men's
 Peace Palace
 472-8625
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Cynthia Parker, Director, Maharishi Vedic City
 Ladies' Peace Palace
 472-4353
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2005-05-08 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/8/05 9:28:14 A.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hehehe...the madness, THE MADNESS! I love it. Not asingle thing for 
  the mind to attach to. It all remindsme of the Woody Alan movie, "Bananas" 
  about arevolution in a Latin American country where therevolutionary 
  leader, after overthrowing the corruptgovernment, gives an insane speech 
  making everyonechange their underwear every few hours and to makesure 
  it's done, underwear will now be worn on theoutside! Watching his inspired 
  revolutionary comradesstruggle with their cognitive dissonance is a 
  hoot!-Peter

My favorite part was when J Edgar Hoover testified in 
court.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra/Question about Baskaran Pillai / Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread Peter Sutphen

--- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  I thought the CIA had let the Movement alone many
 years ago.
  
  Apparently I'm wrong. The spirit of the
 fundamentalist Jimmy Carter 
 is 
  very much alive.
   
  It seems they are still very much active, and now
 the scene is FFL. 
  After several unsuccsessful murder attacks on MMY,
 they are now 
  rejoycing in anticipated failiures of the
 Movement. Keep up the 
 good 
  works guys, you are representing the same lowly
 forces that killed 
  Jesus.
  
   Though Maharishi you will never get, simply
 because you are too 
  dull, and too stupid.
 
 Wow.  Lurking here has been a real education.
 Guess we know where the mindset of the death
 threats against other spiritual teachers 
 visiting Fairfield came from, eh?
 
 Barry/Unc

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[FairfieldLife] Résumé (was Re: New recert stuff)

2005-05-08 Thread Patrick Gillam
 Bob Brigante wrote

 I thought Nancy Berg's (daughter of Mad Magazine Dave Berg) 
 workaround was a clever way to minimize the possibility of having to 
 talk about MIU:

I don't mind talking about MIU or MUM. But if I never 
get the interview, the conversation is impossible.

 http://www.us-webmasters.com/copywriting-Nancy-Berg/
 EDUCATION:
 M.A. in Communication/Screenwriting, Stanford University, 1987
 Stanford Mass Media Institute, film production, 1982
 B.A., Interdisciplinary Studies, MIU, 1978,
 State University of New York at Purchase and Buffalo

Thanks for posting this, Bob. I had seen it before but 
hadn't thought of it as a model for my own CV. 

 Note that Nancy writes out SUNY's full name, but only initials MIU, 
 and by her judicious use of commas and juxtaposition, allows a casual 
 reader to infer that she got her degree from SUNY (at Purchase and 
 Buffalo, where she only took a few courses -- her BA is from MIU).

I would say the use of punctuation goes beyond 
judicious. It's incorrrect, and it's misleading. It suggests 
MIU is a division or department of SUNY.

I'm reluctant to apply for jobs with a doctored résumé. 
It's a good way to get fired.

Nancy isn't applying for salaried gigs, I don't imagine. 
She's getting projects and working as a contractor. She runs
less risk to doctor her résumé.

 However, I only advise the above strategy for those who are deficient 
 in or lacking in confidence in their creativity. Far from being a 
 negative, having a MIU degree gives one the opportunity (there are 
 never any problems in life, only opportunities) to exercise one's 
 creativity. 

I thnk the creativity needs to be applied to the résumé; 
otherwise, interviews are rare for me.

Granted, I have no Fortune 500 companies on my résumé, 
which doesn't help build the Patrick Gillam brand, either. 
It could be that having Maharishi on my résumé isn't as big a 
problem as the absence of big names in American business.

Please note that I'm not regretting my choices. I'm mainly 
wondering how other people have managed it.

 - Patrick Gillam




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and the Movement

2005-05-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
Exactly.  The entertainment value alone should guarantee MMY long life and much publicity. 

On May 8, 2005, at 8:38 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:

 The question would seem to be, *who* would be interested
 in killing someone who is doing such an admirable job of
 making an absolute fool of himself whenever he makes a 
 public pronouncement?  


[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread wayback71
Great analogy with Bananas!  Now, someone could make a hilarious movie about 
the TMO/
MMY kinkiness, weirdness, wildness, miracles, drama, zany pronouncements, 
incredible 
stories.  It could be HUGELY funny and make someone millions.  
What the general public would not know is that it is all TRUE!!
  In fact, this is great way to look at the whole thing, really lightens up 
the experience.  
It has all been funny, a big laugh, comedy all along, with a good technique 
thrown in as 
well.  Luaghing all the way to Awakening.  Someone here has to be able to write 
a good 
script for this movie.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hehehe...the madness, THE MADNESS! I love it. Not a
 single thing for the mind to attach to. It all reminds
 me of the Woody Alan movie, Bananas about a
 revolution in a Latin American country where the
 revolutionary leader, after overthrowing the corrupt
 government, gives an insane speech making everyone
 change their underwear every few hours and to make
 sure it's done, underwear will now be worn on the
 outside! Watching his inspired revolutionary comrades
 struggle with their cognitive dissonance is a hoot!
 -Peter
 
 --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!
  - Original Message - 
  From: Kathy Petersen 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:14 PM
  Subject: Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!
  
  
  Dear Friends and Neighbors in Maharishi Vedic City,
  
  We have recently completed the First Governor
  Recertification Course and are both feeling very
  honored and fortunate to have been assigned to
  Maharishi Vedic City for our Peace Palace city!
  
  We have great good news to share with you regarding
  the Peace Palace project for Maharishi Vedic City. 
  Yesterday the Mayor of the city, His Highness Raja
  Wynne, donated the necessary land for the entire
  Peace Palace complex (about 9 acres).  This kind and
  generous action on Raja Wynne's part ensures a
  permanent home for all aspects of Maharishi's Vedic
  Knowledge in our beloved city, for ourselves and for
  all generations to come.
  
  The land is located at the center of the city, just
  west of the Brahmasthan of the city, so that both
  the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces will face east
  towards the Brahmasthan and overlook that beautiful
  open space where Sat Yuga will descend in Maharishi
  Vedic City.
  
  We will get the exact parcel of land surveyed and
  staked in the next few days, so that everyone knows
  exactly where the Peace Palaces will rise up!!
  
  The Peace Palaces will house all of Maharishi's
  programs.  Both the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces
  will offer all aspects of Maharishi's Total
  Knowledge--the Transcendental Meditation Program,
  the Advanced Techniques, the TM Sidhi Program,
  Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology, the Maharishi
  Jyotish Consultations and Yagya program (the yagyas
  will be performed in India), PK and M Spa
  treatments, MAPI products for sale, Maharishi
  Sthapatya Veda, yogic flying halls, Maharishi Vedic
  Organic restaurants, festival halls, and so forth. 
  Everything that we need for our personal evolution
  and the well being of the whole world will be
  available to us in the Peace Palaces!
  
  In the perfect vastu of the Peace Palaces,
  Maharishi's Knowledge will be kept pure and complete
  for all suceeding generations of Maharishi Vedic
  City residents.  These beautiful marble buildings
  will house the full glory of the perfection of Total
  Knowledge which has come to us from the Holy
  Tradition via Maharishi.
  
  At www.globalcountry.org you will find an overview
  of the Peace Palaces themselves (click where it says
  3000 Peace Palaces).  The Peace Palaces shown on
  the webpage are not quite the final version, but
  will give everyone a very good idea of what is
  planned.  In Maharishi Vedic City we will have the
  grand configuration of a tower in the center,
  flanked by a Men's and Ladies' Peace Palace, with
  many annexes at the rear which will house the
  clinics, flying halls, restaurants, etc.
  
  We know that all of you will be as excited as we are
  about this project!!  The Peace Palaces will be the
  heart and soul of our city and of our Vedic way of
  life which we enjoy here in Maharishi Vedic City.
  
  We invite everyone to participate in raising the
  money to build these palaces of knowledge.  We hope
  that everyone will donate generously to the
  project!!  Also, you may invest in the project
  either through buying World Peace Bonds (sold to
  qualified investors only), and through other
  interest-paying loans.  The Global Country of World
  Peace will own the Peace Palaces, so any donation
  you make or money you loan will be to the Global
  Country.
  
  We will soon be opening temporary offices in the
  Central Bank building, which will serve us until we
  can construct our beautiful Peace Palaces.  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Résumé (was Re: New recert stuff)

2005-05-08 Thread Peter Sutphen
I've never felt any discomfort with Maharishi
International University on my CV. It usually sparks
an interesting conversation. I tell them that I was
very involved with Eastern spirituality when I was
younger and that I still am, but not to the near
fanatical extent that I used to be. They pick-up on
your hesitation and embarrassment and wonder what your
problem is with going to MIU. If you don't have a
problem with it, why should they?
-Peter

--- Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Bob Brigante wrote
 
  I thought Nancy Berg's (daughter of Mad Magazine
 Dave Berg) 
  workaround was a clever way to minimize the
 possibility of having to 
  talk about MIU:
 
 I don't mind talking about MIU or MUM. But if I
 never 
 get the interview, the conversation is impossible.
 
 
 http://www.us-webmasters.com/copywriting-Nancy-Berg/
  EDUCATION:
  M.A. in Communication/Screenwriting, Stanford
 University, 1987
  Stanford Mass Media Institute, film production,
 1982
  B.A., Interdisciplinary Studies, MIU, 1978,
  State University of New York at Purchase and
 Buffalo
 
 Thanks for posting this, Bob. I had seen it before
 but 
 hadn't thought of it as a model for my own CV. 
 
  Note that Nancy writes out SUNY's full name, but
 only initials MIU, 
  and by her judicious use of commas and
 juxtaposition, allows a casual 
  reader to infer that she got her degree from SUNY
 (at Purchase and 
  Buffalo, where she only took a few courses -- her
 BA is from MIU).
 
 I would say the use of punctuation goes beyond 
 judicious. It's incorrrect, and it's misleading. It
 suggests 
 MIU is a division or department of SUNY.
 
 I'm reluctant to apply for jobs with a doctored
 résumé. 
 It's a good way to get fired.
 
 Nancy isn't applying for salaried gigs, I don't
 imagine. 
 She's getting projects and working as a contractor.
 She runs
 less risk to doctor her résumé.
 
  However, I only advise the above strategy for
 those who are deficient 
  in or lacking in confidence in their creativity.
 Far from being a 
  negative, having a MIU degree gives one the
 opportunity (there are 
  never any problems in life, only opportunities) to
 exercise one's 
  creativity. 
 
 I thnk the creativity needs to be applied to the
 résumé; 
 otherwise, interviews are rare for me.
 
 Granted, I have no Fortune 500 companies on my
 résumé, 
 which doesn't help build the Patrick Gillam brand,
 either. 
 It could be that having Maharishi on my résumé
 isn't as big a 
 problem as the absence of big names in American
 business.
 
 Please note that I'm not regretting my choices. I'm
 mainly 
 wondering how other people have managed it.
 
  - Patrick Gillam
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread wayback71
What about Ben Stiller as your late 60's hippie, early 70s initiate, 1974 TTC, 
Governor guy 
who goes thru all the movement stuff? Who would play Bevan?  John Hagelin?  
THsi couldl 
be Good, folkks.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Great analogy with Bananas!  Now, someone could make a hilarious movie about 
 the 
TMO/
 MMY kinkiness, weirdness, wildness, miracles, drama, zany pronouncements, 
 incredible 
 stories.  It could be HUGELY funny and make someone millions.  
 What the general public would not know is that it is all TRUE!!
   In fact, this is great way to look at the whole thing, really lightens 
 up the experience.  
 It has all been funny, a big laugh, comedy all along, with a good technique 
 thrown in as 
 well.  Luaghing all the way to Awakening.  Someone here has to be able to 
 write a good 
 script for this movie.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hehehe...the madness, THE MADNESS! I love it. Not a
  single thing for the mind to attach to. It all reminds
  me of the Woody Alan movie, Bananas about a
  revolution in a Latin American country where the
  revolutionary leader, after overthrowing the corrupt
  government, gives an insane speech making everyone
  change their underwear every few hours and to make
  sure it's done, underwear will now be worn on the
  outside! Watching his inspired revolutionary comrades
  struggle with their cognitive dissonance is a hoot!
  -Peter
  
  --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!
   - Original Message - 
   From: Kathy Petersen 
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 2:14 PM
   Subject: Good News on MVC Peace Palaces!
   
   
   Dear Friends and Neighbors in Maharishi Vedic City,
   
   We have recently completed the First Governor
   Recertification Course and are both feeling very
   honored and fortunate to have been assigned to
   Maharishi Vedic City for our Peace Palace city!
   
   We have great good news to share with you regarding
   the Peace Palace project for Maharishi Vedic City. 
   Yesterday the Mayor of the city, His Highness Raja
   Wynne, donated the necessary land for the entire
   Peace Palace complex (about 9 acres).  This kind and
   generous action on Raja Wynne's part ensures a
   permanent home for all aspects of Maharishi's Vedic
   Knowledge in our beloved city, for ourselves and for
   all generations to come.
   
   The land is located at the center of the city, just
   west of the Brahmasthan of the city, so that both
   the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces will face east
   towards the Brahmasthan and overlook that beautiful
   open space where Sat Yuga will descend in Maharishi
   Vedic City.
   
   We will get the exact parcel of land surveyed and
   staked in the next few days, so that everyone knows
   exactly where the Peace Palaces will rise up!!
   
   The Peace Palaces will house all of Maharishi's
   programs.  Both the Men's and Ladies' Peace Palaces
   will offer all aspects of Maharishi's Total
   Knowledge--the Transcendental Meditation Program,
   the Advanced Techniques, the TM Sidhi Program,
   Maharishi Vedic Vibration Technology, the Maharishi
   Jyotish Consultations and Yagya program (the yagyas
   will be performed in India), PK and M Spa
   treatments, MAPI products for sale, Maharishi
   Sthapatya Veda, yogic flying halls, Maharishi Vedic
   Organic restaurants, festival halls, and so forth. 
   Everything that we need for our personal evolution
   and the well being of the whole world will be
   available to us in the Peace Palaces!
   
   In the perfect vastu of the Peace Palaces,
   Maharishi's Knowledge will be kept pure and complete
   for all suceeding generations of Maharishi Vedic
   City residents.  These beautiful marble buildings
   will house the full glory of the perfection of Total
   Knowledge which has come to us from the Holy
   Tradition via Maharishi.
   
   At www.globalcountry.org you will find an overview
   of the Peace Palaces themselves (click where it says
   3000 Peace Palaces).  The Peace Palaces shown on
   the webpage are not quite the final version, but
   will give everyone a very good idea of what is
   planned.  In Maharishi Vedic City we will have the
   grand configuration of a tower in the center,
   flanked by a Men's and Ladies' Peace Palace, with
   many annexes at the rear which will house the
   clinics, flying halls, restaurants, etc.
   
   We know that all of you will be as excited as we are
   about this project!!  The Peace Palaces will be the
   heart and soul of our city and of our Vedic way of
   life which we enjoy here in Maharishi Vedic City.
   
   We invite everyone to participate in raising the
   money to build these palaces of knowledge.  We hope
   that everyone will donate generously to the
   project!!  Also, you may invest in the project
   either through buying World Peace 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra/Question about Baskaran Pillai / Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB
 Love your stories, Barry. Just reread the one about
 the red-headed woman in the bar putting the moves on
 you.
 -Peter

Wow.  I'm honestly surprised that anyone here would
have heard of them.  Thanks...they were fun to write.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra/Question about Baskaran Pillai / Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread wayback71
Where can I read your stories?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Love your stories, Barry. Just reread the one about
  the red-headed woman in the bar putting the moves on
  you.
  -Peter
 
 Wow.  I'm honestly surprised that anyone here would
 have heard of them.  Thanks...they were fun to write.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/8/05 1:35 AM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 JohnY wrote:
 
 But I can still check the meditation
 of those that I have taught...
 Such bullshit!
 
 the once noble Govenor now lives
 disgraced as a lowly checker !!

Don't know if it was intentional, but maybe it's a good tactic. Give people
fancy titles to puff up their egos and then deflate them again later on.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Uncle Tantra/Question about Baskaran Pillai / Sri Siva

2005-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Where can I read your stories?

A caveat or two first.  These are not stories about my time with 
Maharishi and TM, but about the time I spent with another teacher I 
studied with along the Way.  I'm not pushing his trip or selling 
anything...he's dead, and I left his study before he died.  I wrote the 
book because I once foolishly promised him I would, and one keeps one's 
promises, even if the promisee is now cruising the Bardo or beyond.

The book is on the Web because some folks I didn't really know, younger 
students of the same teacher, had put together a website talking about 
him, and asked me if they could post the book in HTML form.  I said 
yes, and supplied them with text and some photos, and they did all the 
graphics and layout.  I think they did a fine job with it.

I'll post the link if no one asks me too many questions about the guy.  
I said pretty much everything I have to say about him in the book, and 
so far haven't found anything more to add.

http://www.ramalila.net/RoadTripMind

Unc


 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   Love your stories, Barry. Just reread the one about
   the red-headed woman in the bar putting the moves on
   you.
   -Peter
  
  Wow.  I'm honestly surprised that anyone here would
  have heard of them.  Thanks...they were fun to write.
  
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
   -- the TM school in India was not 
   singled out by Indian authorities.
  
  I know that. 
  You singled the TM movement out by saying that the 'principal' 
  (Bevan) should have been arrested. It is a stupid thing to say, 
and 
  prejudiced against TMO. You would not ask for that of any other 
 head 
  of any school in the US. It was a faulty comment and you should 
and 
  admit it, and move on.
  
 
 
 
 I've worked at schools in LA where there were armed cops on patrol 
 and a host of measures to keep violence down. If a murder happens 
in 
 that environment, I would not advocate a principal being arrested, 
 school officals are almost always doing as much as they can in an 
 ugly and litigious setting. It was different at MUM when that 
student 
 was murdered -- school mgmt had an opportunity to isolate the 
student 
 after his first act of violence that day, a stabbing, 


More exaggeration. He was scratched badly with a pen. You turn it to 
stabbing , which anyone else reading this would think it was a knife 
to the stomache.

Normally in 
 the USA, school officials who are guilty of negligence are sued in 
 civil courts 


This is not LA. This is not a high school. you are mixing up 
different things for your agenda. Your right, there may have been 
negligence, but I think they learned their lesson don't you?
There are thousands of such instances which are let go because 
mature people don't really want to pursue something that was 
obviously an innocent lapse. Now you are calling the India school 
situation a 'murder' when it was reported in the paper as 
an 'accident' When do you stop exaggerating?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread johnlasher20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
tizen Sidhas or non-recertified Governors can still take a
 
 6. People who are teachers of Transcendental Meditation and are
 not recertified are no longer Governors and of course are not allowed
 to teach, lecture, etc. The only exception is that initiators can
 check people who they had initiated in the past.

Go independent where does the knowledge ultimately come from not MMY
who is the instrument.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 5/8/05 12:33:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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 6. 
  People who are teachers of Transcendental Meditation and are not 
  recertified are no longer Governors and of course are not allowed to 
  teach, lecture, etc. The only exception is that initiators can check 
  people who they had initiated in the past.Go independent where does 
  the knowledge ultimately come from not MMYwho is the 
  instrument.

I've been saying this for years. MMY is kicking the baby birds 
out of the nest . Go do your own thing. He taught you how to teach, so go teach, 
or does somebody have to hold your hand?


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[FairfieldLife] Get Stressed - Stay Young. - New health advice!

2005-05-08 Thread sramanist
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1602814,00.html

Ah me - first one thing, then the other.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread gullible fool
  
 the once noble Govenor now lives 
 disgraced as a lowly checker !!

Or Executive checker. 

 
--- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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  JohnY wrote:
  
  But I can still check the meditation
  of those that I have taught...
  Such bullshit!
 
 the once noble Govenor now lives 
 disgraced as a lowly checker !!
 
 aint Sat Yuga grand?!
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Great analogy with Bananas!  Now, someone could make a hilarious 
movie about the TMO/
 MMY kinkiness, weirdness, wildness, miracles, drama, zany 
pronouncements, incredible 
 stories.  It could be HUGELY funny and make someone millions.  
 What the general public would not know is that it is all TRUE!!
   In fact, this is great way to look at the whole thing, 
really lightens up the experience.  
 It has all been funny, a big laugh, comedy all along, with a good 
technique thrown in as 
 well.  Luaghing all the way to Awakening.  Someone here has to be 
able to write a good 
 script for this movie.
 
I remember watching a Bob Hope movie about 30 yrs. ago, where Bob 
was the father of a bride to be, who together with her future 
husband were followers of an Indian Guru, (obviously meant to be 
M).  They were head over heals in following the Guru in spite of his 
obvious motive of accumulating money from his followers.  I remember 
thinking at the time, what a cheap shot.  Little do they know  

About a year ago I saw the same movie on a cable channel, and 
thinking how accurate it was.  Needless to say, it was a comedy, and 
Bob Hope has never failed to be quite funny.  Those really were the 
good old days, at least for comedy.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Great analogy with Bananas!  Now, someone could make a hilarious 
movie about the TMO/
 MMY kinkiness, weirdness, wildness, miracles, drama, zany 
pronouncements, incredible 
 stories.  It could be HUGELY funny and make someone millions. 


This is David Lynch's next movie. Just watch.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  the once noble Govenor now lives 
  disgraced as a lowly checker !!
 
 Or Executive checker. 

Ya, 'Executive' checker - that's the ticket ;) 
Only $250,000 :)

 
  
 --- George DeForest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  .
  
   JohnY wrote:
   
   But I can still check the meditation
   of those that I have taught...
   Such bullshit!
  
  the once noble Govenor now lives 
  disgraced as a lowly checker !!
  
  aint Sat Yuga grand?!
  
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cost of our programs, money, and the real goal

2005-05-08 Thread lupidus108
My friends, please read this again.--- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
   Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I started in 1973, it was $35 in Canadian dollars, as I
 was a student.
 
30 years of meditating later, I can safely say that the cost of
initiation would have been worth it had the price been 
$50,000.
It's worth at least THAT MUCH to me today.
  
The problem is: back when I started, I didn't know that.
 
 
 Dear Rick and Fairfield Lifers,
 
 When I started TM in 1970, I paid $75 to learn.  It is estimated
 that prices for many things have almost doubled every decade.  In
 1970, gasoline cost .29/gallon; today it costs 1.69/gallon, an
 increase of 582%.  In 1970, a new mid-sized Ford with a big engine
 cost $2500; today it costs $15,000, an increase of 600%.  Applying
 that same percentage factor, $75 TM should cost $450 today, simply
 based on inflation.  Today, TM costs $2500, about 5.55 times that
 $450.
 
 Like shempmcgurk, I too feel that I would have paid a huge amount
 had I known how effectively the TM program would have brought me
 back home to my goal.  Please be careful in your assumptions here:
 I'm not talking based on some true belief or some faith in what
 the future might bring; I'm talking based on my own simple direct
 personal experience.  The time/money/energy that I invested in the
 TM program was far and away the best investment I've ever made.
 It's made this life worthwhile.  I appreciate that some of you don't
 feel that way - some feel disappointed, tricked, abused, misled -
 and I'm sincerely and deeply sorry that you've found yourself on a
 different road.
 
   And you probably couldn't have paid that, or $2500, even if you 
had
   known that.
 
 Even knowing as little as I did before I started, I came up with 
$75 -
 which is equivalent to $450 today.  Back then, would I have come up
 with 5.55 times more (or $417) - which is the equivalent of $2500 
today?
 After really letting myself get back into the feelings that I had 
back
 then, I say yes - I would have.  Certainly because of the greater 
amount
 of money involved, I would have slowed down, thought more deeply 
about
 my decision, weighed it as more than the cheap lark that I saw it 
as,
 but as drawn as I was to have that inner stability and peace that I 
saw
 in the TM lecturer, I would have paid the $417.
 
 That was 5% of a year's income in 1970 - about 2.5 weeks' wages.  It
 was 17% of the cost of a new car.  In my life, a lot of income and a
 lot of cars have come and gone since then - and a lot of money's 
been
 foolishly spent on things that have disappeared or were a mistake to
 begin with - but what the TM program delivered me to, the Self, goes
 on forever.  In fact, thinking back over those days when I was 
initiat-
 ed, I would actually have taken the 3-days checking and the regular
 practice of TM thereafter a lot more seriously if I hadn't thought 
that
 it was such a cheap bargain at $75.
 
 Today, based on what TM brought me, $2500 is a steal.  But I am 
realis-
 tic, and I understand through direct personal experiences with 
friends
 and counseling clients over these past years that many people don't 
see
 that value at first, and that $2500 is a very significant, often 
daunt-
 ing, obstacle in some peoples' minds.  It is daunting for me to tell
 people $2500, especially when I assume that they're not serious 
spir-
 itual seekers - but merely looking for some relative benefit (like 
re-
 ducing their stress level or improving their relationship or making
 school easier).
 
 So why does TM cost 5.55 times more today than it did back in 1970?
 And, as a corollary: is Maharishi a bumbling idiot about practical
 financial matters, or just overly greedy, or a brilliant seer of the
 future?
 
 I've thought back over many things I've heard from Maharishi over my
 years around him, and many things that I've recognized based on my 
own
 personal experience and understanding, and I'd like to share with 
you
 my take on the Movement and the $2500 TM course fees.  This is my 
sub-
 jective opinion, seen through my history, colored by my 
consciousness
 and my issues; it is not presented as fact or truth.  And since 
it
 is merely personal opinion, there is no need to engage in debate 
over
 the accuracy of my facts, because personal opinion is not based on 
fact.
 It's based on how our nervous system sees the world.  We can all 
gather
 plenty of facts and/or quotes to bolster our opinion.  This is 
simply
 offered as my world view - and perhaps you're a voyeur and would 
benefit
 from seeing the world through my eyes.
 
 I want to discuss the $2500 course fee on three levels (they get 
deeper
 as they progress, and all tie together, so please persevere):
 
 
 ANSWER #1 - THE SNOW PLOW EFFECT:
 
 My personal experience is that when I started to meditate in 1970,
 the going was tough.  The 

[FairfieldLife] Re: David Kaplan's Letter of May 14, 2004

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings
Lol.
Yes gullible fool. Right. Good one.





--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  
 I uploaded the letter I received from David Kaplan by
 snail mail about a year ago.
 
 It's in Files/TMO -- the Odd Side 
 
 Here's the text:
 
 May 14, 2004
 
 To Whom It May Concern:
 
 I wanted to write this letter to clarify my position
 regarding the TM movement. I am not involved
 in the TM movement or any of Maharishi organizations
 in any way and have nothing to do with
 his teaching. 
 
 In 1999, after getting married, I was basically kicked
 out of the movement. But I did nothing wrong. 
 To the contrary, after meditating and doing the TM
 sidhi program many hours a day for twenty-five
 years and donating tens of millions of dollars, and
 working with Maharishi for almost ten years, in
 January and February of 1999, I got sick and almost
 died.
 
 Once I got well, in April, 1999, by my own choice I
 left Purusha and had never taken any kind of 
 vow whatsoever. In June or July 1999, I decided to get
 married. For that I was kicked out of the
 movement. Thank God I was, for it prompted Earl and me
 to investigate Maharishi Mahesh Yogi 
 and the TM organization. We have spent a great deal of
 time, energy and money researching
 Maharishi and the TM organizations. Due to our
 findings I can no longer support or be associated 
 with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, his ideas, his knowledge,
 or any of his organizations, in any way
 whatsoever.
 
 I am not writing this letter to share with you what I
 have learned about Maharishi and the TM 
 movement because to you it would probably be
 unbelievable. But I will say what I have found out
 is shocking and because of what I have learned I feel
 very sorry for you.
 
 And I do want you to realize that I have learned that
 this Maharishi Vedic knowledge does not come 
 from the long line of teachers of the holy tradition
 or any tradition. I know many of you are sold out
 and cannot believe anything or look at facts other
 than what fits into your belief system. I wish you
 the best and have great compassion for your plight
 because I was there too and it's not easy to get
 out of. I just wrote this letter to make sure you all
 know that I and my family have cut all ties with 
 TM, his movement and his knowledge.
 
 If you have any questions of me you can email me at
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 With all love and blessings,
  
 David Kaplan
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings
,Maharishi is an obvious tyrant. Have you ever seen him act from 
charity and 
give something to someone downtrodden and poor? 

He gave me tons of stuff...all for free. I must be the only one 
though. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 ,Maharishi is an obvious tyrant. Have you ever seen him act from 
 charity and 
 give something to someone downtrodden and poor? 
 
 He gave me tons of stuff...all for free. I must be the only one 
 though.

You are not the only one. Millions of people will think of Maharishi as 
the most generous person that ever lived. In Boppard He said this, not 
a word by word quote: I could have stayed in the mountains, but 
sacrifising this life was necessary for the new age to come.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: 2 Peace Palaces planned for Vedic City

2005-05-08 Thread George DeForest
.

 wayback71 wrote:
 
 What about Ben Stiller as...Governor guy
 who goes thru all the movement stuff? 

i like it ... (Meet the Fockers was hilarious!)

 Who would play Bevan?  John Hagelin?

 MDixon6569 wrote:
 Dom Delouis could be Bevan...

or, how about special guest appearance by
Elton John as Bevan?  with Jim Carrie as
both Hagelin and Andy Kaufman!

then we need a Maharishi at various ages...
a younger one could be David Spayde, mm?
(in a mullet wig??)

and David Lynch is director!

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Cost of our programs, money, and the real goal lupidus108

2005-05-08 Thread marwincornyarmand
Dear Lupidus.
I learned TM or Deep Meditation as a student in 1962, for 5 Dollars. 
Grateful for that, because I could not afford more.
I am teaching Transcendental Meditation regularly to ordinary common 
people who really need the positive effect of the meditation.   
Some of them pay nothing, some a little and some max 480 Dollar. Most 
of the students are spiritual seekers, even if they are not always 
aware of it. During the course they start to think in another way and 
open the eyes for all the possibilities inside themselves. Behind the 
striving for daily living, everybody has a seed of spirituality, a wish 
for something more. The horrible prices in the TMO,turn the people away 
from Transcendental Meditation. If we really mean anything about 
Enlightenment and Heaven of Earth, we should teach as many as possible 
and not only rich people. I am tired of all that talking about  
Enlighenment. Instead  all talking, do something about it, if you are a 
TM-Teacher - go out and teach.

Ingegerd

 Re: Cost of our programs, money, and the real goal  lupidus108 
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My friends, please read this again.--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I started in 1973, it was $35 in Canadian dollars, as I
was a student.

 



My friends, please read this again.--- In
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When I started in 1973, it was $35 in Canadian dollars, as I
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[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and the Movement

2005-05-08 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  wrote:
   
   After several unsuccsessful murder attacks on MMY, 
  
  Huh? Care to elaborate. I know about the helicoptor crash, the
  electric shock, the pancreititus and heart problems Deepak 
reported.
  But murder attempts?
 
 Maharishi had 2 Dakotas refurmbished in Germany. One of them was 
 blown up with a bomb 30 minutes before takeoff. Apparently MMY 
sent 
 someone along to alert the pilots who got away unharmed. Though 
this 
 is a rumour, the source was pretty sound. 
 Another inscident was the american, suitclad fellow caught in the 
 Kulm with a gun, heading for MMY's suite. Within days the 
 metaldetectors where installed and the WYMS in charge of an even 
 tighter security.
 
 These and other plots could not succeed because Maharishi saw what 
 was happening and simply did not show up. Invincebility in daily 
life 
 so to speek.

Why is it that when cults fail that their leaders inevitably blame 
plots, conspiracies and the CIA for their failures?  

Rajneesh also blamed the CIA.

For years I heard that MMMY was warning TMers of CIA infiltration 
and shrugged it off as ramblings of unstressers.  I then heard it 
myself directly from him on a videotape about 4 years ago.

Well, my position is: if a crime has been committed against you (and 
infiltrating the TMO and/or blowing up planes and coming at you with 
guns ARE crimes) then you go to the proper authorities...AND if THAT 
doesn't work, then you go to the media.

Accusing others of crimes without putting forward the evidence is 
both irresponsible and irrational.

Put up or shut up.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: CIA and the Movement

2005-05-08 Thread TurquoiseB
 Why is it that when cults fail that their leaders inevitably blame 
 plots, conspiracies and the CIA for their failures?  

Probably because cults pander to an existing sense of 
elitism in the followers.  What can enhance that elitism
more than being persecuted?  The more you're persecuted,
or that your teacher is persecuted, the more elite you
are.

 Accusing others of crimes without putting forward the evidence is 
 both irresponsible and irrational.
 
 Put up or shut up.

Preferably shut up.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread anonymousff
Hi Llundrub,
That was a loaded post that was interesting to read.
i have two questions Why didn't you post that directly by 
yourself to alt.meditation.transcendental insted of having John Manning 
who forwarded Eve Kadmon quating you? what am I missing?

By the title you obviously feel the same, so was it at that
time that you started to shift towards Buddhism?
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: New recert stuff (if anybody still cares)

2005-05-08 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 5/8/05 1:35 AM, George DeForest at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  JohnY wrote:
  
  But I can still check the meditation
  of those that I have taught...
  Such bullshit!
  
  the once noble Govenor now lives
  disgraced as a lowly checker !!
 


 Don't know if it was intentional, but maybe it's a good tactic. 
Give people
 fancy titles to puff up their egos and then deflate them again 
later on.

***

I think it's more a matter that there is no charge (except in London) 
for TM checking, so recerts and the TMO don't care who checks, and in 
fact, it's less work for the salaried teachers.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread at_man_and_brahman
Kirk Bernhardt was in my pod. Though everyone
had prearranged that this pod would be a quiet
building, Kirk took it upon himself to fill the whole
building with his super-loud music from 
downstairs. He was generally despised in the pod.

I once sat near him at lunch when he explained
his philosophy. At an early age, I learned that
the only thing I was good at was being obnoxious.
I decided that I'd just make it my plan for life.

K.B. was Mara; it takes one to know one.

   -Kirk Bernhardt MIU Class of '87 
 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   
   
-- the TM school in India was not 
singled out by Indian authorities.
   
   I know that. 
   You singled the TM movement out by saying that the 'principal' 
   (Bevan) should have been arrested. It is a stupid thing to say, 
 and 
   prejudiced against TMO. You would not ask for that of any other 
  head 
   of any school in the US. It was a faulty comment and you should 
 and 
   admit it, and move on.
   
  
  
  
  I've worked at schools in LA where there were armed cops on 
patrol 
  and a host of measures to keep violence down. If a murder happens 
 in 
  that environment, I would not advocate a principal being 
arrested, 
  school officals are almost always doing as much as they can in an 
  ugly and litigious setting. It was different at MUM when that 
 student 
  was murdered -- school mgmt had an opportunity to isolate the 
 student 
  after his first act of violence that day, a stabbing, 
 
 


 More exaggeration. He was scratched badly with a pen. You turn it 
to 
 stabbing , which anyone else reading this would think it was a 
knife 
 to the stomache.
 

MUM was putting the guy on a plane home the next morning, so MUM 
officials were clearly aware that the guy was a danger to others 
(this so-called scratch required medical care -- stitches), and 
intended to get rid of him as soon as possible. However, given the 
muddled thinking of TM management, this did not extend to actually 
keeping other MUM students out of harm's way until they could put Sem 
on the plane.


 Normally in 
  the USA, school officials who are guilty of negligence are sued 
in 
  civil courts 
 
 

 This is not LA. This is not a high school. you are mixing up 
 different things for your agenda. Your right, there may have been 
 negligence, but I think they learned their lesson don't you?
 There are thousands of such instances which are let go because 
 mature people don't really want to pursue something that was 
 obviously an innocent lapse. Now you are calling the India school 
 situation a 'murder' when it was reported in the paper as 
 an 'accident' When do you stop exaggerating?

Within a month after I started working at MIU in December of 1974, a 
guy named Joe Lambert ran through the plate glass window next to the 
entrance door of the dining hall, and he was sent to the mental 
hospital in Mt. Pleasant, where many MIU/MUM students have ended up. 

MIU officials have never learned any lessons from their extensive 
experience with loony students, staff, and faculty (like the Dutch 
M.D. on MIU faculty who was composting his own excreta in his dorm 
room -- when Bedinger came to toss him out after the fragrance became 
too compelling, Dr. Nuts went out the window wearing a tinfoil hat 
and ended up in a Des Moines psych ward). 

In what way would a kid grabbing another kid by the neck and whacking 
him, causing a fatal injury, be an accident? Maybe in your 
dimension, off-world...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread Llundrub





I originally posted it a few months 
before that repost or maybe a year. I couldn't find the original, but I did want 
the time stamp to show that what I felt then is being borne out now. 


Yes, Maharishi's emphasis on money 
was directly responsible for me awakening to the fact that the TMO was very 
fallable, wrongful, and temporary. I wanted a religion that I felt would still be around during my next 
life. No point wasting time building up beliefs that are just going to cease to 
have any effect the next moment. 

I saw Maharishi imploding, and 
still do. The only religion that I found which was geared to experience and not 
belief was Buddhism. That will be more true in a hundred years.

The end is not yet here for the 
Movement. Rock bottom is very low and still a bit away. I still think that even 
more toxic things will come about regarding Maharishi and TMO, things that will 
finally show that Maharishi is actually insane. He will continue to show his 
true colors - greed, fascism, mysogyny, lust for power, duality, hatred. 


The irony is that what we thought 
was the "lovebomb" was actuallly just the plain old bomb. From my philosophy 
this is very easy to measure. To wit, in unity, it all already is God and 
perfect, it's only the eyes that need clearing from sleep to see it. No new 
world order is needed. The more a new world order is pushed the more 
dualistic the teacher must be. We're already quite ok, no new outfit is needed. 
I'll say it again, the more far out the scheme the further from truth the 
scheemer. No one on earth has been more far out than Maharishi including 
Hitler. 

I could go on, but I won't. 


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  Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:03 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say 
  I told you so.
  Hi Llundrub,That was a loaded post that was interesting 
  to read.i have two questions Why didn't you post that directly by 
  yourself to alt.meditation.transcendental insted of having John Manning 
  who forwarded Eve Kadmon quating you? what am I missing?By the 
  title you obviously feel the same, so was it at thattime that you started 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
Maybe that's why they closed it--even they couldn't take it anymore.

Sal


On May 8, 2005, at 5:46 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 Within a month after I started working at MIU in December of 1974, a 
 guy named Joe Lambert ran through the plate glass window next to the 
 entrance door of the dining hall, and he was sent to the mental 
 hospital in Mt. Pleasant, where many MIU/MUM students have ended up. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Maybe that's why they closed it--even they couldn't take it anymore.
 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 8, 2005, at 5:46 PM, bbrigante wrote:
 
   Within a month after I started working at MIU in December of 
1974, a
   guy named Joe Lambert ran through the plate glass window next to 
the
   entrance door of the dining hall, and he was sent to the mental
   hospital in Mt. Pleasant, where many MIU/MUM students have ended 
up.

*

The MHI in Mt. Pleasant is still open, but nowhere near the size it 
used to be:

http://das.hre.iowa.gov/open_class_nurse.html#mtpleasantmhi

I worked there briefly in the 70s -- the facility was so old that it 
still had shackles built into the wall where they used to chain up 
patients, now they're chemically restrained. I talked about TM with a 
few staff there at the time, but they were a little offput by the 
fact that a previous director of that MHI, a ru psychiatrist, had 
committed suicide, so they did not pay much attention to what I had 
to say, and it certainly did not help that there had been a number of 
MIU students and staff doing a tour of duty there.

Or maybe you were referring to the MUM dining hall? Funnily enough, 
they're still using the kitchen in that bldg, but they have to roll 
the food across the street to the student union, where the campus 
dining hall is temporarily located.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 -- the TM school in India was not 
 singled out by Indian authorities.

I know that. 
You singled the TM movement out by saying that 
the 'principal' 
(Bevan) should have been arrested. It is a stupid thing to 
say, 
  and 
prejudiced against TMO. You would not ask for that of any 
other 
   head 
of any school in the US. It was a faulty comment and you 
should 
  and 
admit it, and move on.

   
   
   
   I've worked at schools in LA where there were armed cops on 
 patrol 
   and a host of measures to keep violence down. If a murder 
happens 
  in 
   that environment, I would not advocate a principal being 
 arrested, 
   school officals are almost always doing as much as they can in 
an 
   ugly and litigious setting. It was different at MUM when that 
  student 
   was murdered -- school mgmt had an opportunity to isolate the 
  student 
   after his first act of violence that day, a stabbing, 
  
  
 
 
  More exaggeration. He was scratched badly with a pen. You turn 
it 
 to 
  stabbing , which anyone else reading this would think it was a 
 knife 
  to the stomache.
  
 
 MUM was putting the guy on a plane home the next morning, so MUM 
 officials were clearly aware that the guy was a danger to others 
 (this so-called scratch required medical care -- stitches),


Yes, it was not a stab to the stomache as you insinuated. 

 Within a month after I started working at MIU in December of 
1974, a 
 guy named Joe Lambert ran through the plate glass window next to 
the 
 entrance door of the dining hall, and he was sent to the mental 
 hospital in Mt. Pleasant, where many MIU/MUM students have ended 
up. ,

Right. Based on your previous contiuous exagerations I would expect 
this to be another one. Please provide stats. for such anecdotal 
exagerated  statements. 


 
 In what way would a kid grabbing another kid by the neck and 
whacking 
 him, causing a fatal injury, be an accident? Maybe in your 
 dimension, off-world... 

It happened everyday in the school I went to. No-one died though. I 
got hwaked way harder than this kid probably got whacked and I 
didn't die. I don;t call think those people who whaked me had any 
intention of killing me. Almost every kid got a beating from someone 
at one time or another in my school. Then, I got bigger and my 
friends got a reputation, so people left us alone. A teacher lost an 
eye once to student, and a couple of others went crazy. No-one 
carried guns, but every other concievable weapon was under some kids 
jacket at one time or other, including knives, axes, swords. One 
teacher once held a kid upside down out a window 4 stories up for 
causing trouble. The kid pissed his pants. People didn't mess witht 
that teacher.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cost of our programs, money, and the real goal lupid...

2005-05-08 Thread MDixon6569





Ingegerd, I am curious, how are the experiences of the people 
that you teach, that is the ones that you teach out side of the TMO , those that 
pay little or nothing?Do they have good experiences of TC, clear 
transcending? I bet they do, or at least a certain percentage do just like 
the people that pay full price.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread Sal Sunshine
On May 8, 2005, at 8:32 PM, bbrigante wrote:

 Or maybe you were referring to the MUM dining hall?

No, I was referring the the hospital.

 Funnily enough, 
 they're still using the kitchen in that bldg, but they have to roll 
 the food across the street to the student union, where the campus 
 dining hall is temporarily located.

Makes about as much sense as anything else that goes on there.  And of course it's obvious what caused all the problems--that darn southern entrance.




[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Kirk Bernhardt was in my pod. Though everyone
 had prearranged that this pod would be a quiet
 building, Kirk took it upon himself to fill the whole
 building with his super-loud music from 
 downstairs. He was generally despised in the pod.
 
 I once sat near him at lunch when he explained
 his philosophy. At an early age, I learned that
 the only thing I was good at was being obnoxious.
 I decided that I'd just make it my plan for life.
 
 K.B. was Mara; it takes one to know one.
 
-Kirk Bernhardt MIU Class of '87 .



LOL !
I guess he hasn't changed. he's trying though...right Kirk?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread off_world_beings

 
 The MHI in Mt. Pleasant is still open, but nowhere near the size it 
 used to be:
 
 http://das.hre.iowa.gov/open_class_nurse.html#mtpleasantmhi
 
 I worked there briefly in the 70s -- 


Sure Bob. 
You were working there. 
Then they let you out...SORRY !...I mean you quit. Right. Yup, Sure 
Bob, anything you say. 





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[FairfieldLife] Something I found Out

2005-05-08 Thread Llundrub






Addiction to bliss is not 
enlightenment.

Everyday we come upon a million 
mistakes. To error is human. But many people who practice a "road of 
bliss" style meditation have real problems when encountering mistakes. I have 
just made many typos and then had to pause and fix them. I get sort of pissed 
because I can't type very well. Fixing mistakes takes me time and is 
distracting, but that doesn't mean the keyboard is wrong, or that I should throw 
the computer through the window. 

If I was very much more addicted to 
bliss then I would think that anything that stood in the way of experiencing 
bliss was evil. I would smash the computer as an instrument of it since it 
frustrateth me so. 

Maharishi developed too much bliss 
for his lack of training. It overpowered him, and at first he was able to 
be in tune with the vibe and spread it. And it was affective. And for many years 
the bliss carried him. Until near the end the strength of his physique has 
started to wane, and so has the bliss. And now he must fall back on his previous 
mind training for the source of his inspiration. It's easy to be good and 
convincing when you're in bliss because as any ritalin child can tell you, 
physical joy allows the mind to calm and focus. 

And yet Maharishi had no real mind 
training as a secretary to GD, and so not knowing what really to fall back upon 
(yama and niyama) he has reformulated the whole Hindu Veda as the key to his 
re-ascension to heaven. 

But the re-formulation of the 
entire world according to Vedic ideals will not bring him, or anyone closer to 
the truth that was Guru Dev. The real blazing light of compassion took 
almost Guru Dev's whole life in seclusion to develop. And no amount of vastu, 
yajna, jyotish or TM will create another Guru Dev, nor recreate that sense of 
warmth and bliss that Maharishi got around him. Not for him, and not for the 
world. 

You see, when mother's home then 
one is free to explore and not even be concerned about her being there, but when 
mother's gone then no amount of other objects or things can replace her. 


Guru Dev left an impression on 
Maharishi but that impression is wearing off. No amount now of pointing fingers 
and reckoning with the nightmare that loss of bliss brings will bring Guru Dev 
back for Maharishi nor make Guru Dev's bliss real for you or me. 

It's a bad mistake to think that 
bliss is the goal of life. One needs to learn to be stable in the midst of 
bliss and suffering, or one cannot be called enlightened. Enlightenment is 
the goal of life, not merely bliss. One needs to not feel stepped on every time 
they make a mistake and blame it on something else, but rather, come to realize 
that ones nature is itself ignorance. Ignorance recreating itself time and 
time again. With each rise of though new duality is born and more 
ignorance. 

Bliss should be the result of 
training in equanimity, not some autonomic physiological substance from a 
technique that anyone can experience. The reason is this. The bliss 
will prevent further moral and mental development and will lead to more war 
based on irrational faith in dualism due to the brains inability to not equate 
bliss with correctness. The feeling of bliss is the feeling of being correct, 
and if one experiences bliss even while acting like a demon then they will 
create ever more bad karma. Karma (yama and niyama) must be taught, or as said 
one is like a leaky vessel.

Simply holding to the present 
without concept is the only state of reality free from opposites of bliss and 
frustration. And that takes more training than mere bliss meditation on 
samadhi. 

The path that Guru Dev took was not 
the path of TM, nor the path of bliss, but the path of renunciation. That 
is not able to be recreated for you, only you can create that. 

Maharishi was initially inspired, 
but the inspiration is waning, and now you and I are left with the husk of a man 
bereft of bliss, as well as meaningful philosophy of how to become enlightened. 
Many will argue and say, yeah right. But look, has the simple rule of thumb 
called karma ever even been discussed amongst the TMO? But surely what 
goes up must come down, and what comes together must fall apart. This is 
karma. 

The world exists to 
provekarma to us. This is why the world is the greatest education ground. 
Maharishi cannot change that by remaking the world. Life just doesn't work like 
that. 

May we all live and learn and not 
be addicted to bliss. Trust an addict to know addiction and how it feels to 
jones. There's no cure but learning to live without, and then one is stronger 
and wiser than before. Maharishi was at the source of the heroin in Guru Dev. 
But the heroin has run out finally and a long jones is to follow. If he 
had had the proper training then the jones would have been tolerated without 
pathetic fallacy (pathetic fallacy is a literary term which means to project the 
human drama upon something inanimate, for 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread Llundrub





LOL !I guess he 
hasn't changed. he's trying though...right Kirk?---Yep


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[FairfieldLife] Heavenly Mt

2005-05-08 Thread pibssmith
Heard news today about some settlement at Heavenly Mt. One story was 
that MD and P have to leave another was that they can stay and that 
the property that the homeowners and they live on was not sold but all 
the property around them was and they can stay. Not sure which is 
correct or how a settlement figures it. Seems if they settled that 
would mean they could stay butwho knows ,Anyone know? If this has 
already been discussed can you direct me to the messages
Thanks




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[FairfieldLife] (unknown)

2005-05-08 Thread badeaux_rosie
More news.  MMY just told the recertified teachers in England that 
they have to go out of the country now, to teach.  No more teaching
in 
England because Blair was elected!  




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[FairfieldLife] Teacher in England

2005-05-08 Thread pibssmith
WEll I am surprised MMY has not told the American to teach out of 
their country after all he once said Bush had holes in his head. That 
could be next. The whole thing is so nuts and will be just another 
failed crazy TMo stunt that is the sad thing. The course I am sure was 
blissful to those who went even though most who went went into debt 
but they most of them love it but the plan of execution of what they 
are suppose to do to revive the TMO is sooo off the wall makes you 
think MMY is senile for sure. Entertainment at its finest.

 More news.  MMY just told the recertified teachers in England that 
 they have to go out of the country now, to teach.  No more teaching
 in 
 England because Blair was elected!




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Murder at Maharishi school in India -- update

2005-05-08 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
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   More exaggeration. He was scratched badly with a pen. You turn 
 it 
  to 
   stabbing , which anyone else reading this would think it was a 
  knife 
   to the stomache.
   
  
  MUM was putting the guy on a plane home the next morning, so MUM 
  officials were clearly aware that the guy was a danger to others 
  (this so-called scratch required medical care -- stitches),
 
 
 Yes, it was not a stab to the stomache as you insinuated. 
 


All the newspapers that carried the story characterized the first 
attack by Sem as a stabbing -- if you want to re-write what I said, 
feel free to do so:

http://tinyurl.com/avgg7


  Within a month after I started working at MIU in December of 
 1974, a 
  guy named Joe Lambert ran through the plate glass window next to 
 the 
  entrance door of the dining hall, and he was sent to the mental 
  hospital in Mt. Pleasant, where many MIU/MUM students have ended 
 up. ,


 
 
  
  In what way would a kid grabbing another kid by the neck and 
 whacking 
  him, causing a fatal injury, be an accident? Maybe in your 
  dimension, off-world... 
 

 It happened everyday in the school I went to. No-one died though. I 
 got hwaked way harder than this kid probably got whacked and I 
 didn't die. I don;t call think those people who whaked me had any 
 intention of killing me. Almost every kid got a beating from 
someone 
 at one time or another in my school. Then, I got bigger and my 
 friends got a reputation, so people left us alone. A teacher lost 
an 
 eye once to student, and a couple of others went crazy. No-one 
 carried guns, but every other concievable weapon was under some 
kids 
 jacket at one time or other, including knives, axes, swords. One 
 teacher once held a kid upside down out a window 4 stories up for 
 causing trouble. The kid pissed his pants. People didn't mess witht 
 that teacher.

Of course, the kid in India did not intend to kill the student he was 
hitting, or at least it's likely that he did not form that specific 
intent. The whole point to what I had to say before was that school 
administrators were rightly arrested, because they ignored the pleas 
of students who were chronically having their lunches stolen, an 
intolerable situation that will eventually blossom into violence. MUM 
officials did not contain a known dangerous student who stabbed a 
student with a pen, and when he had the opportunity to stab another 
student with a better stabbing thing, courtesy of MUM mis-management, 
he did so -- that's negligence, just like the school officials at the 
school in India.




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[FairfieldLife] IT pros and TM in India

2005-05-08 Thread bbrigante
http://tinyurl.com/7o9x8


 SOUTHERN NEWS - TAMIL NADU May 9, 2005
  
Yoga is a way of life in stressed cyberworld
Monday May 9 2005 09:41 IST 
CHENNAI: An ancient method to combat stress has become almost a way 
of life at the ultra-modern IT firms. Yoga and meditation are popular 
stress busters, especially among older software professionals, and 
many firms conduct workshops on these for their employees.

Sudarshan, 31, has been working in a private firm at Tidel Park for 
the past four years. Stress, for him, begins right from the moment he 
leaves for the office at 7.30 am. Navigating through traffic snarls, 
he reaches office only by nine.

Meetings and work on special projects follow soon after he walks into 
his spacious office. Lunch hours get converted into extended meetings 
and it's only by 9 p.m. that he reaches home, even though he is 
actually supposed to work only till 6 p.m.

``By the time I get home, my wife is done with her day's work and my 
one-year-old daughter is asleep. Stress is something I face even at a 
personal level,'' he bemoans.

To seek some relief, he has taken to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's 
transcendental meditation technique. ``I find that concentrated 
meditation not only makes me focus more, but also relieves me of a 
lot of stress,'' says Sudharshan. 

(more at link)
 
 




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[FairfieldLife] TM article

2005-05-08 Thread bbrigante
http://www.themoderatevoice.com/posts/1115126515.shtml

Some even reported out of body experiences. (If you don't know what an 
out of body experience is, think about Dennis Kucinich and Alan 
Keyes...wait: I think those may be out of mind experiences..)




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread easyone200
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cool. There is someone here that know's me. That rocks. I felt so alienated 
 having always 
to explain myself when obviously my motivation was just so patent and 
superficial and 
absurd. Playing music was obviously such a sin. That would make me a great 
sinner. I knew I 
was good at something. 
 
 But in my defense, I only played music between programs at about 3 o clock.  
 And 
moreover I was the first person to live in that pod you mention. I don't know 
who or when 
you all decided it was a quiet pod. I was living there for months while it was 
being renovated.  
My one time arguing with soomeone over music it's true I told them to fuck off 
or put em up, 
which was plainly wrong, and I always regretted taking that muscular stance 
which was just 
so not me. That person must have been really naturally irritating to have 
struck me in such a 
manner as to make me want to kick their ass. I never fight.  Or almost never. 
That is, twice in 
the last 20 years. 
 
 Woohoo, I thought no one remembered me. I'm so psyched. So nothing I said 
 below was 
true because it's my goal in life to be obnoxious. That explains why I was at 
MIU in the first 
place too. Meditating on how to be obnoxious. 

I got that siddhi.  Friendliness, compassion, obnoxiousness. The next one is 
steal money and 
feel OK, yeah that's it. Although I think that is MAHA's mantra. Right from the 
mahaveda.




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[FairfieldLife] Fairfield Friends, your Daily Inspiration - Monday - No Judgments

2005-05-08 Thread The Daily Inspiration
Title: Template






  

  

  
  May 09, 2005 - No Judgments


  
  
  
  
  
  Stop 
  believing that sights and sounds have the power to force you to make 
  qualitative judgments about them. In the instant you acknowledge 
  there is no value, good or bad, in any of the objects of perception 
  (including feeling), in that very instant you will discover what a 
  perfect universe this is! You will leave the minutiae, the multitude 
  of things, to discover the wholeness of Awareness which is always quite 
  perfect. This whole awareness is your Identity in action.
  William Samuel
  A Guide to Awareness and Tranquility

  
  
  
  All 
  happiness stems from personal preferences. Personal preferences are 
  simply choices. You have chosen all of the unhappiness that you have 
  experienced, are experiencing and ever will experience. 
  Why do you do that?
  Carson's Commentary

  

  
  




  
  
  



  


  


  


  
  


  

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first? Is that not the greatest impediment for many not 
knowing, first, God within?

Like, look dudeI know God is in mewell, maybe a little 
devil, too, but by and large, I'm O.K. with me. It is good. Can 
I share? I want you to have a good life. Here share mine. 
Get a taste. Like it? I'll cook you a meal. :-)

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.

2005-05-08 Thread at_man_and_brahman
Kirk,

In reality, though I hated your music, 
I thought that what you said in Annapurna
was a fascinating statement, and I thought
much more highly of you after that. I've
quoted your statement to many, many
people over the years.

--Paul Wilson

You probably aren't Mara.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Cool. There is someone here that know's me. That rocks. I felt so alienated 
 having 
always to explain myself when obviously my motivation was just so patent and 
superficial 
and absurd. Playing music was obviously such a sin. That would make me a great 
sinner. I 
knew I was good at something. 
 
 But in my defense, I only played music between programs at about 3 o clock.  
 And 
moreover I was the first person to live in that pod you mention. I don't know 
who or when 
you all decided it was a quiet pod. I was living there for months while it was 
being 
renovated.  My one time arguing with soomeone over music it's true I told them 
to fuck off 
or put em up, which was plainly wrong, and I always regretted taking that 
muscular stance 
which was just so not me. That person must have been really naturally 
irritating to have 
struck me in such a manner as to make me want to kick their ass. I never fight. 
 Or almost 
never. That is, twice in the last 20 years. 
 
 Woohoo, I thought no one remembered me. I'm so psyched. So nothing I said 
 below was 
true because it's my goal in life to be obnoxious. That explains why I was at 
MIU in the 
first place too. Meditating on how to be obnoxious. 
   - Original Message - 
   From: at_man_and_brahman 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 5:39 PM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hate to say I told you so.
 
 
   Kirk Bernhardt was in my pod. Though everyone
   had prearranged that this pod would be a quiet
   building, Kirk took it upon himself to fill the whole
   building with his super-loud music from 
   downstairs. He was generally despised in the pod.
 
   I once sat near him at lunch when he explained
   his philosophy. At an early age, I learned that
   the only thing I was good at was being obnoxious.
   I decided that I'd just make it my plan for life.
 
   K.B. was Mara; it takes one to know one.
 
  -Kirk Bernhardt MIU Class of '87 

 
 
 
 
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