[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 
 Follow the money... in another since. The higher the price  went , 
the fewer 
 people got initiated. People looked to other ways to learn to  
meditate for 
 less money. Competition. If you had never transcended,  and  wanted 
to learn to 
 meditate ,they are all the same and why not go with the  cheapest or 
newest on 
 the block. TMO got greedy and failed to flow with a  fundamental 
economic 
 natural law, meeting the  competition.

Actually the numbers were dropping before the first price increases. 
The last price increase has been to transform the TMO from 
anorganization meant to cater to everyone, to an elitist organization 
meant to cater to the wealthy, just as MMY has explained.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/26/05 8:03:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 If all  along the cosmic task had been to train 40,000 or so 
pundits 
 to a high  degree of competence within the true tradition surely 
 this would not  require a detour lasting 50 years 
 involving householders and  Westerners. Had MMY remained in 
India, 
 been one of the many gurus there  that seem to thrive without much 
 difficulty, amassed a following of 5+  million in a land of about a 
 billion, and perhaps have found an Indian  Wallace equivalent to 
 kick start scientific interest in TM there (as  already happening 
for 
 Yoga)... etc.. Morever it might have ended up, like  for the 
Buddha, 
 primarily a monastic order. Was there REALLY a need for  all this 
 circus act?
 
 
 
 Money

Indeed. 




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[FairfieldLife] Re: So what's the verdict?

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/26/05 9:30:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Does anyone here buy what Maharishi is doing  hook, line, and 
sinker?  
 Anyone?  Please stand up against the rock  throwers and confirm your 
faith. 
 
 
 
 I buy it! But maybe you should rephrase the question. Does  anyone 
here buy 
 what Maharishi says he is  doing?

Sure, he's created an elistist organization that caters to the wealthy 
in order to get large chunks of cash.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...]
 The sidhis were a fatal blow. Many celebs and scientist fled when 
those came
 out. If they hadn't done it, subsequent weirdnesses would have. 
Maharishi
 just couldn't keep it palatable to the masses. Had to tinker with it 
until
 it broke.

Or maybe it will all work out in the end.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Laura Bush- Extremely Brave...

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/26/05 9:40:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Well I  thought it was common knowledge, since I recall reading 
several 
 accounts  of his lack of interest in much travel or anything 
 international when  younger.  And note, I didn't say he never 
travelled, 
 just not  much.  It's very possible he went to China.  If so, it 
was 
 most  likely the exception, not the rule.
 
 Sal
 
 
 
 You don't think he rubbed elbows with the Saudi royal family  
either in his 
 earlier days?

Heh. The Saudi royal family is part of the overall elite of the 
world. HE may not have encountered them at that point, but his 
parents certainly would have known about them.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Well, this is my point, if I had 
one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a deep 
anglo imprint in order to manipulate us.


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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
-'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, 
we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems that 
the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for creating 
'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy 
Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it is in 
Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the "will of 
heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it would follow, 
that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is happening 
now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has been discovered 
and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with himto raise the 
vibration of the world.This time period, is quite unique, in 
that,we have the internet, for world-wide communication.We have an 
ultimate need to evolve the human race.Because of our need to be resolved of 
our destructive tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in 
Maharishi,to have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, 
can be re-established,and the West,can also have 
enlightenment.That's it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Well, this is my point, if I had 
one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a deep 
anglo imprint in order to manipulate us. Moreover, the concept of heaven 
on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - time of judgement, 
Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, new heaven and new earth of 
Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist in Buddhism or Hinduism. One can't 
really compare the concepts of Shamballah, or Sat Yuga since they are not any 
time in near cognizance. So I conclude that this heaven on earth stuff is mere 
manipulation of the Western mind.


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From: Robert Gimbel 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
-'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, 
we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems that 
the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for creating 
'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy 
Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it is in 
Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the "will of 
heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it would follow, 
that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is happening 
now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has been discovered 
and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with himto raise the 
vibration of the world.This time period, is quite unique, in 
that,we have the internet, for world-wide communication.We have an 
ultimate need to evolve the human race.Because of our need to be resolved of 
our destructive tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in 
Maharishi,to have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, 
can be re-established,and the West,can also have 
enlightenment.That's it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





All the Beatles were supporting the 
NLP in the UK at one point, and Larry King passed greetings from one of them 
on to MMY on TV at one point. Can't say which one or whether they all 
meditate, however.---Pretty sure GH and JL meditate regularly 
;)


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Patrick Gillam wrote:
  
   Forget about research on brain
   waves. Follow behind some gurus or 
   Buddhist monks and look for clues 
   as to their lives being any different from anyone else's.
 
  Vaj  wrote:
  
  I'm pretty sure this has already been done and is continuing.
 
 How does one research the literature on meditation 
 and studies of human development? When I was in 
 grad school in the 1980s, the library had a PsychLit 
 database I used to find abstracts of research. I'm 
 talking about something concise like that. The Web is 
 too cluttered.
 
  - PJG

Pubmed has a data base of over 15 million articles, which will get 
you started. Another starting point is the meditation studies 
summarized by the Noedic Instutitute from about 1955 to 2004, though 
there seem to be relatively few studies cited from later than 1996 or 
so:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=searchDB=PubMed

http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 26, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Llundrub wrote:
 
  Where does this notion come from?
 
 Christianity mainly. It was a marketing ploy to appeal to the 
 sentimentality of Judeo-Christians don't ya think?

What is the opposite of kaliyuga?




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





I'm pretty sure I'm the only person 
who suggested a new movement. Most others who participated in the discussion 
said they had no desire to join another movement.I didn't really mean it 
though, though I thought it would be great to have non-movement residence 
courses with interesting side studies. For instance people could be in residence 
for a couple weeks and learn Rudrabhiseka under a Swami invited to to teach. 
Wouldn't that be cool? Learn how to pacify the eleven rudras oneself? and round? 
Or people could learn marma therapy or do a huge mantra accumulation and fire 
homam, or anything anything at all. I just wanted to get people thinking of the 
possibilities that they could indulge themselves in when throwing off the dummy 
it down for westerners mentality of the official TMO. 

- Original Message - 
From: sparaig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent 
teachers
SCI is not required to *learn* TM. And, unless the planis to 
never teach TM to the masses again ever, it seems well, at least as 
egotistical as everyone seems to be claiming MMY is, to be talking about 
setting up a large-scale rival TM organization. Chopra's organization has no 
chance of "teaching the masses" on the scale that the TMO has done, and 
still can do, and yet, you guys think you can do as well as, or better than 
chopra, and somehow do as well as Maharishi Mahesh 
Yogi.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  On May 25, 2005, at 5:30 PM, 
Patrick Gillam wrote:   Much of the impetus behind 
independent TM  teaching comes from making the knowledge 
 available at more affordable prices. But I'm  curious how 
people who've been following the  discussions here would handle 
other aspects  of the teaching that might be a bit more 
problematic.   For example, we typically say the mantra 
is a  meaningless sound. Would you all stick with  that 
description? Or would some of you disclose  the provenance of 
mantras?   Another issue: We say on the third night 
of  checking that cosmic consciousness is a state  in 
which one's every act is spontaneously life-  supporting. But a 
popular topic among us has  been the questioning of that dogma. What 
would  you say? Would you just skip that part of the 
teaching?   And if we start fiddling with the teaching, 
are we  teaching TM, or something inspired by it? 
  The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost? 
 This is a really good question.  This is the question I 
was addressing when I talked the other day about  the upside of the 
pundits. It will really be these guys who will  preserve the true 
tradition. Unless people take the time to train  themselves in the texts 
behind this tradition, they would be clueless.  Why? Because when 
you were taught SCI you were not given the source for  these 
teaching. Nor were you given the source behind many of the  
advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in  
Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden behind a 
 facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
option is  to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, 
etc.  And how will you train new teachers without all of the 
video and audio  tapes?  Another issue is who will 
teach the advanced techniques?  The very real upside of the 
pundits--even if it ends up being only half  of the number 
stated--the upside is they have the full knowledge of the  tradition 
AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are  learning what 
they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s  teaching really is 
only preserved by Brahmins--and that represents a  significant part 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: After death

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 What happens to the individual when he drops his body after attaining 
 enlightenment?  One unbounded ocean of consciousness in motion?

What happens to molecules of water that enter the ocean?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  HH the Dalai Lama has done close to a dozen conferences with 
leaders 
 in 
  many fields,
 
 Dalai Lama is only a politician
  
 MMY, Boppard, Germany, 1982

Actually, for all his spiritual talk, the dalai lama's main and only 
focus has been Tibet.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





No offense spraig, but your old 
friend and your backward thinking self are boring pundits. I frankly have had 
annop. Perhaps with luck someday you might have something original to add to a 
conversation, but I really doubt it. 

- Original Message - 
From: sparaig 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent 
teachers
Well, me old friend Annop Chandola once commented that the 
universe had done the world a favor by not letting MMY retreat into 
Shankaracharyahood because his leaving India to found the TM 
organization made him far more powerful and influential than simply 
becoming another Shankaracharya would have done.And, if you think 
any other teacher in India would have been able to pull off what MMY has 
done, I'd like to sell you a river in Egypt.Oh wait, you've already 
bought it, I see...--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"claudiouk" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all along the cosmic 
task had been to train 40,000 or so pundits  to a high degree of 
competence within the true "tradition" surely  this would not require a 
detour lasting 50 years  involving "householders" and "Westerners". Had 
MMY remained in India,  been one of the many gurus there that seem 
to thrive without much  difficulty, amassed a following of 5+ million in 
a land of about a  billion, and perhaps have found an Indian "Wallace" 
equivalent to  kick start scientific interest in TM there (as already 
happening for  Yoga)... etc.. Morever it might have ended up, like 
for the Buddha,  primarily a monastic order. Was there REALLY a need for 
all this  circus act?  --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
This is a really good question.  This is the question I was 
addressing when I talked the other day  about the upside of the 
pundits. It will really be these guys who  will   
preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the time to train   
themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they would be  
clueless.   Why? Because when you were taught SCI you were not 
given the source  for   these teaching. Nor 
were you given the source behind many of the   advanced lectures. 
The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in   Sanskrit. In other 
words, the real tradition has been hidden behind  a  
 facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real  
option is   to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, 
etc.And how will you train new teachers without all 
of the video and  audio   tapes?
Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques?   
 The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being only 
 half   of the number stated--the upside is they have the 
full knowledge of  the   tradition AND the practices. So 
it's a good thing that they are   learning what they are learning. 
The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s   teaching really is only preserved 
by Brahmins--and that represents  a   significant part 
since what he teaches is essentially karma yoga  for   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Yeah, I mean wake up, spraig. Duh. 

Maharishi was ineligible, by caste and 
other reasons, to become aShankaracharya.To 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 I've seen the interior and exterior of a few of those temples pictured
 on the net and they didn't cost $3 million either!
 
 JohnY

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http://www.cuisinecuisine.com/HinduTemplesinUS.htm#Iowa




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub




Actually, for all his spiritual talk, the 
dalai lama's main and only focus has been Tibet.---Not true. But I don't care to debate it 
with you.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 In a message dated 5/26/05 7:56:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
 Maybe  MMY sees the future of the TM movement and its Peace Palaces 
 as churches  for immigrant Hindus...
 
 
 
 
 I don't think so. Too many Hindu temples being built in the US  for 
Indian ex 
 patriots to need to go to a peace palace. Most Indians I have met  
have mixed 
 feeling about Mahesh yogi, as they call him. Some think he is a  
scoundrel , 
 others think he  is doing some good things, few if any, think  he 
is a 
 Maharishi.

Obviously they don't know his background then. Steer them to Anoop 
Chandola ( his phone number is on the web at his University of 
arizona citation, IIRC) and have them get back to you.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: After death

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mathatbrahman 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ---:
 Viewpoint(below) contradicts the opinions of some great Sages like 
 Ramakrishna and Buddhists in the Pure Land School.  There is no rule 
 written in stone that Enlightened people must relinquish all subtle 
 bodies.  A majority opinion seems to point to one's choice. 
 Enlightened people can do what they want: retain some body, or not; 
 or even incarnate on the physical plane of existence again (as stated 
 by Ramakrishna)...Enlightened people have desires like others (at 
 least some). The fulfillment of those desires may require some type 
 of body; at least to appear to others.

IIRC, MMY once commented that a man in Unity can incarnate in any body 
he wishes to.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
   HH the Dalai Lama has done close to a dozen conferences with 
 leaders 
  in 
   many fields,
  
  Dalai Lama is only a politician
   
  MMY, Boppard, Germany, 1982
 
 Yes, too true.  But, alas, MMY became one also with his NLP and his 
 weekly proclamations on all things political.
 
 Which, of course, has proven to be yet another nail in the coffin 
of 
 the TMO.

OR not. The Dali Lama appears to be sucessful on his own terms, does 
he not?




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Orme-Johnsons left MIU

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Someone asked about this the other day so I inquired and was told 
that Bevan
 couldn¹t tolerate Rhoda¹s strong personality and outspokenness. So he
 strongly ³encouraged² them to leave.

And David O, at least, came back to do more research:

http://quicksitebuilder.cnet.com/dorme-
johnson/davidormejohnsonphdsciencevita/id3.html

http://brainresearchinstitute.org/neuroimaging/




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
   On May 25, 2005, at 7:46 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
   
Paul McCartney said in an interview recently that he is 
meditating
(TM) again regularly, and believe it or not, even Ringo is 
back 
 to 
  it
regularly.
   
   Can you provide a source? Otherwise into the Maharishi sleeps 
only 
 2-
  4 
   hours bin...
  
 
 
  All the Beatles were supporting the NLP in the UK at one point, 
and 
  Larry King passed greetings from one of them on to MMY on TV at 
one 
  point. Can't say which one or whether they all meditate, however.
 
 **
 
 Uh, there's only two beatles left, the other two are the subject of 
 great interest among beetles.

Yes, but at the time i was talking about, concerning the NLP, there 
were three.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 5/27/05 12:43 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Well, me old friend Annop Chandola once commented that the universe
  had done the world a favor by not letting MMY retreat into
  Shankaracharyahood because his leaving India to found the TM
  organization made him far more powerful and influential than simply
  becoming another Shankaracharya would have done.
 
 Maharishi was ineligible, by caste and other reasons, to become a
 Shankaracharya.

The universe had done the world a favor could certainly include MMY 
not being eligible to become Shankaracharya due to caste...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
  In a message dated 5/26/05 7:56:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  Maybe  MMY sees the future of the TM movement and its Peace 
Palaces 
  as churches  for immigrant Hindus...
  
  
  
  
  I don't think so. Too many Hindu temples being built in the US  
for
 Indian ex 
  patriots to need to go to a peace palace. Most Indians I have met 
 have mixed 
  feeling about Mahesh yogi, as they call him. Some think he is a 
 scoundrel , 
  others think he  is doing some good things, few if any, think  he 
is a 
  Maharishi.
 
 I've seen the interior and exterior of a few of those temples 
pictured
 on the net and they didn't cost $3 million either!
 
 JohnY

In a few places they will. In others, its more money for the TMO.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread sparaig
It's true, I'm boring and Anoop doesn't sell many fiction and non-
fiction books.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 No offense spraig, but your old friend and your backward thinking 
self are boring pundits. I frankly have had annop. Perhaps with luck 
someday you might have something original to add to a conversation, 
but I really doubt it. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: sparaig 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:43 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
 
 
 Well, me old friend Annop Chandola once commented that the universe 
 had done the world a favor by not letting MMY retreat into 
 Shankaracharyahood because his leaving India to found the TM 
 organization made him far more powerful and influential than simply 
 becoming another Shankaracharya would have done.
 
 And, if you think any other teacher in India would have been able 
to 
 pull off what MMY has done, I'd like to sell you a river in Egypt.
 
 Oh wait, you've already bought it, I see...
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  If all along the cosmic task had been to train 40,000 or so 
pundits 
  to a high degree of competence within the true tradition surely 
  this would not require a detour lasting 50 years 
  involving householders and Westerners. Had MMY remained in 
 India, 
  been one of the many gurus there that seem to thrive without much 
  difficulty, amassed a following of 5+ million in a land of about 
a 
  billion, and perhaps have found an Indian Wallace equivalent to 
  kick start scientific interest in TM there (as already happening 
 for 
  Yoga)... etc.. Morever it might have ended up, like for the 
Buddha, 
  primarily a monastic order. Was there REALLY a need for all this 
  circus act?
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   This is a really good question.
   This is the question I was addressing when I talked the other 
day 
  about the upside of the pundits. It will really be these guys 
who 
  will 
   preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the time to 
train 
   themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they would be 
  clueless. 
   Why? Because when you were taught SCI you were not given the 
 source 
  for 
   these teaching.  Nor were you given the source behind many of 
the 
   advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in 
   Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden 
 behind 
  a 
   facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
  option is 
   to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, etc.
   
   And how will you train new teachers without all of the video 
and 
  audio 
   tapes?
   
   Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques?
   
   The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being 
 only 
  half 
   of the number stated--the upside is they have the full 
knowledge 
 of 
  the 
   tradition AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are 
   learning what they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s 
   teaching really is only preserved by Brahmins--and that 
 represents 
  a 
   significant part since what he teaches is essentially karma 
yoga 
  for 
   householders.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Zdravko Baselli



It is not manipulation, it is message of Divine Inteligence who speaks through Divine Souls, so also through Maharishi, great Teacher who gave us the technique to come to the Home of all knowledge, what is necessary to be able to understand it. So again I like to ask you to come to the Home of all knowledge, and then, with support of Universal Mind, all your doubts will be cleared.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Well, this is my point, if I had one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a deep anglo imprint in order to manipulate us. Moreover, the concept of heaven on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - time of judgement, Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, new heaven and new earth of Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist in Buddhism or Hinduism. One can't really compare the concepts of Shamballah, or Sat Yuga since they are not any time in near cognizance. So I conclude that this heaven on earth stuff is mere manipulation of the Western mind.


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Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
-'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems that the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for creating 'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it is in Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the "will of heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it would follow, that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is happening now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has been discovered and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with himto raise the vibration of the world.This time period, is quite unique, in that,we have the internet, for world-wide communication.We have an ultimate need to evolve the human race.Because of our need to be resolved of
 our destructive tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in Maharishi,to have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, can be re-established,and the West,can also have enlightenment.That's it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zdravko Baselli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:  Since you answer all questions with very used Movement cliches I  shall interpret that to mean that you cannot answer my question as  stated, with thoughts of your own.It is my own thought, dear friend.   To subscribe, send a message to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to:   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/  and click 'Join This Group!' --- -  Yahoo! Groups Linksa.. To visit your group on the web, go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of  Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread Ingegerd
I am not sure about what you say - that young people does not turn to 
spiritual growth anymore. May be not to TM - because TM is not well-
known anymore. They just do not find us - and when they find the TMO -
 they can't afford to learn TM. The young people that I come in 
contact with, and learn TM - they are as much seekers that I was as 
young. Most of the young people coming to me, is trying og has tried 
some sorts of drugs. And when we are sitting talking, they have very 
deep thoughts of spirituality. Some of them find TM as a substitute 
for drugs. I have some bad experience to teach TM to alocoholics. It 
seems that people using some kind of drugs have more benefit from TM 
than alcoholics. Has somebody else some experiences like that?
Ingegerd 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 It's the nature of pendulums to swing.  The generation
 before ours (or mine), had no serious spiritual interest
 at all. Ours went overboard in one direction.  Now the
 pendulum is back on the other side.  It will return, as
 it has no choice.
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 
  I think the biggest problem is that few young people
  turn to spiritual growth anymore. For the past few
  decades, young people who were destined to be seekers
  were mostly the kids of the first generation of
  seekers.  
   
  The TMO would have done well to support the SIMS above
  all else, if the aim was to bring in more initiates.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Ingegerd
The independent TM-Teachers and Chopra and other spiritual teachers  
are a path of evolution. You can not stop the evolution because some 
Gurus stop teaching or die. If we have a real desire to give the 
knowledge that we have to other people, it would be a big crime not 
to do that.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 SCI is not required to *learn* TM. And, unless the planis to never 
 teach TM to the masses again ever, it seems well, at least as 
 egotistical as everyone seems to be claiming MMY is, to be talking 
 about setting up a large-scale rival TM organization. Chopra's 
 organization has no chance of teaching the masses on the scale 
that 
 the TMO has done, and still can do, and yet, you guys think you can 
 do as well as, or better than chopra, and somehow do as well as 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On May 25, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
  
   Much of the impetus behind independent TM
   teaching comes from making the knowledge
   available at more affordable prices. But I'm
   curious how people who've been following the
   discussions here would handle other aspects
   of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic.
  
   For example, we typically say the mantra is a
   meaningless sound. Would you all stick with
   that description? Or would some of you disclose
   the provenance of mantras?
  
   Another issue: We say on the third night of
   checking that cosmic consciousness is a state
   in which one's every act is spontaneously life-
   supporting. But a popular topic among us has
   been the questioning of that dogma. What would
   you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching?
  
   And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we
   teaching TM, or something inspired by it?
  
   The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost?
  
  This is a really good question.
  
  This is the question I was addressing when I talked the other day 
 about 
  the upside of the pundits. It will really be these guys who will 
  preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the time to train 
  themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they would be 
 clueless. 
  Why? Because when you were taught SCI you were not given the 
source 
 for 
  these teaching.  Nor were you given the source behind many of the 
  advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in 
  Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden 
behind 
 a 
  facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
 option is 
  to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, etc.
  
  And how will you train new teachers without all of the video and 
 audio 
  tapes?
  
  Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques?
  
  The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being 
only 
 half 
  of the number stated--the upside is they have the full knowledge 
of 
 the 
  tradition AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are 
  learning what they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s 
  teaching really is only preserved by Brahmins--and that 
represents 
 a 
  significant part since what he teaches is essentially karma yoga 
 for 
  householders.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Ingegerd
It sounds nice - to meet in non-movement residence courses and do 
roundings. When I think Movement - I thing TMO - and I will never 
join something like that again. 
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who suggested a new movement. 
Most others who participated in the discussion said they had no 
desire to join another movement. I didn't really mean it though, 
though I thought it would be great to have non-movement residence 
courses with interesting side studies. For instance people could be 
in residence for a couple weeks and learn Rudrabhiseka under a Swami 
invited to to teach. Wouldn't that be cool? Learn how to pacify the 
eleven rudras oneself? and round? Or people could learn marma therapy 
or do a huge mantra accumulation and fire homam, or anything anything 
at all. I just wanted to get people thinking of the possibilities 
that they could indulge themselves in when throwing off the dummy it 
down for westerners mentality of the official TMO. 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: sparaig 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:35 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers
 
 
 SCI is not required to *learn* TM. And, unless the planis to never 
 teach TM to the masses again ever, it seems well, at least as 
 egotistical as everyone seems to be claiming MMY is, to be talking 
 about setting up a large-scale rival TM organization. Chopra's 
 organization has no chance of teaching the masses on the scale 
that 
 the TMO has done, and still can do, and yet, you guys think you can 
 do as well as, or better than chopra, and somehow do as well as 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.
 
 
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  On May 25, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote:
  
   Much of the impetus behind independent TM
   teaching comes from making the knowledge
   available at more affordable prices. But I'm
   curious how people who've been following the
   discussions here would handle other aspects
   of the teaching that might be a bit more problematic.
  
   For example, we typically say the mantra is a
   meaningless sound. Would you all stick with
   that description? Or would some of you disclose
   the provenance of mantras?
  
   Another issue: We say on the third night of
   checking that cosmic consciousness is a state
   in which one's every act is spontaneously life-
   supporting. But a popular topic among us has
   been the questioning of that dogma. What would
   you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching?
  
   And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are we
   teaching TM, or something inspired by it?
  
   The larger subtext: does knowledge really get lost?
  
  This is a really good question.
  
  This is the question I was addressing when I talked the other day 
 about 
  the upside of the pundits. It will really be these guys who will 
  preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the time to train 
  themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they would be 
 clueless. 
  Why? Because when you were taught SCI you were not given the 
source 
 for 
  these teaching.  Nor were you given the source behind many of the 
  advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in 
  Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden 
behind 
 a 
  facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
 option is 
  to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced lectures, etc.
  
  And how will you train new teachers without all of the video and 
 audio 
  tapes?
  
  Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques?
  
  The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being 
only 
 half 
  of the number stated--the upside is they have the full knowledge 
of 
 the 
  tradition AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are 
  learning what they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s 
  teaching really is only preserved by Brahmins--and that 
represents 
 a 
  significant part since what he teaches is essentially karma yoga 
 for 
  householders.
 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Ingegerd
The TM-Teachers was approved by MMY to teach TM to other people. 
Why is it good - I can only speak for my self. TM is good - from my 
experience as a TM-Teacher - teaching thousands of people. I do not say 
that everybody has had great experiences. After I became an Independent 
TM-Teacher I am following-up the students more than before - and most 
of them has really good experiences - physical and psycologic. Some 
people need more than TM to resolve their problems - that is a fact -. 
But the TM is a very good tool to be strong enough to face problems and 
work with them.
Ingegerd

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The independent TM-Teachers and Chopra and other spiritual 
teachers  
  are a path of evolution. You can not stop the evolution because 
some 
  Gurus stop teaching or die. If we have a real desire to give the 
  knowledge that we have to other people, it would be a big crime not 
  to do that.
  Ingegerd
 
 
 Who taught the knowledge to TM teachers? Why do they think it good?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





You need ask of me nothing, as I 
spent four years at MIU and was there at Taste of Utopia, which certainly did 
seem heavenly, except for the fact that my girlfriend got pregnant. I just 
seek to know why people think heaven on earth will come now because of a 
handfull of TM meditators when all the saints in history didn't make it come 
before. Are you so smug that you think you're better? Obviously. 




- Original Message - 
From: Zdravko 
Baselli 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

It is not manipulation, it is message of Divine Inteligence who speaks 
through Divine Souls, so also through Maharishi, great Teacher who gave us the 
technique to come to the Home of all knowledge, what is necessary to be able to 
understand it. So again I like to ask you to come to the Home of all 
knowledge, and then, with support of Universal Mind, all your doubts will be 
cleared.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  

  Well, this is my point, if I had 
  one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a deep 
  anglo imprint in order to manipulate us. Moreover, the concept of heaven 
  on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - time of judgement, 
  Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, new heaven and new earth of 
  Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist in Buddhism or Hinduism. One can't 
  really compare the concepts of Shamballah, or Sat Yuga since they are not any 
  time in near cognizance. So I conclude that this heaven on earth stuff is mere 
  manipulation of the Western mind.
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert 
  Gimbel 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
  -'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, 
  we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems that 
  the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for creating 
  'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy 
  Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it is in 
  Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the "will of 
  heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it would 
  follow, that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is 
  happening now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has 
  been discovered and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with 
  himto raise the vibration of the world.This time period, is quite 
  unique, in that,we have the internet, for world-wide 
  communication.We have an ultimate need to evolve the human 
  race.Because of our need to be resolved of our destructive 
  tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in Maharishi,to 
  have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, can be 
  re-established,and the West,can also have enlightenment.That's 
  it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zdravko 
  Baselli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In 
  FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
  wrote:  Since you answer all questions with very used Movement 
  cliches I  shall interpret that to mean that you cannot answer my 
  question as  stated, with thoughts of your own.  
It is my own thought, dear friend. 
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[FairfieldLife] Todays Winning Question

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Does God exist on a physical 
level?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





I think it's clear that MMY, like 
Promethius, stole the mythical fire of heaven and gave it to the ignrant. 
So also you shall too.


- Original Message - 
From: Ingegerd 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:47 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent 
teachers
The independent TM-Teachers and Chopra and other spiritual 
teachers are a path of evolution. You can not stop the evolution 
because some Gurus stop teaching or die. If we have a real desire to give 
the knowledge that we have to other people, it would be a big crime not 
to do that.Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"sparaig" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: SCI 
is not required to *learn* TM. And, unless the planis to never  teach TM 
to the masses again ever, it seems well, at least as  egotistical as 
everyone seems to be claiming MMY is, to be talking  about setting up a 
large-scale rival TM organization. Chopra's  organization has no chance 
of "teaching the masses" on the scale that  the TMO has done, and 
still can do, and yet, you guys think you can  do as well as, or better 
than chopra, and somehow do as well as  Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On May 25, 2005, at 
5:30 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: Much of the 
impetus behind independent TM   teaching comes from making the 
knowledge   available at more affordable prices. But I'm 
  curious how people who've been following the   
discussions here would handle other aspects   of the teaching 
that might be a bit more problematic. For 
example, we typically say the mantra is a   meaningless sound. 
Would you all stick with   that description? Or would some of 
you disclose   the provenance of mantras?  
   Another issue: We say on the third night of  
 checking that cosmic consciousness is a state   in which 
one's every act is spontaneously life-   supporting. But a 
popular topic among us has   been the questioning of that dogma. 
What would   you say? Would you just skip that part of the 
teaching? And if we start fiddling with the 
teaching, are we   teaching TM, or something inspired by 
it? The larger subtext: does knowledge 
really get lost?This is a really good 
question.This is the question I was addressing when 
I talked the other day  about   the upside of the pundits. 
It will really be these guys who will   preserve the true tradition. 
Unless people take the time to train   themselves in the texts 
behind this tradition, they would be  clueless.   Why? 
Because when you were taught SCI you were not given the source  for 
  these teaching. Nor were you given the source behind many of 
the   advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all 
in   Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden 
behind  a   facade of scientific materialism and 
dispensed. The only real  option is   to bootleg the SCI 
tapes and the advanced lectures, etc.And how will 
you train new teachers without all of the video and  audio   
tapes?Another issue is who will teach the advanced 
techniques?The very real upside of the pundits--even 
if it ends up being only  half   of the number 
stated--the upside is they have the full knowledge of  the  
 tradition AND the practices. So it's a good thing that they are  
 learning what they are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s  
 teaching really is only preserved by Brahmins--and that represents 
 a   significant part since what he teaches is essentially 
karma yoga  for   
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





I don't see the fear. I never 
joined anything though I was a part of the Movement. Of course they made it easy 
on me by not liking me or promoting me so I wasn't too much alligned to 
them as a group.

- Original Message - 
From: Ingegerd 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:57 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent 
teachers
It sounds nice - to meet in non-movement residence courses 
and do roundings. When I think Movement - I thing TMO - and I will never 
join something like that again. Ingegerd--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
"Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
wrote: I'm pretty sure I'm the only person who suggested a new 
movement. Most others who participated in the discussion said they had no 
desire to join another movement. I didn't really mean it though, though 
I thought it would be great to have non-movement residence courses with 
interesting side studies. For instance people could be in residence for a 
couple weeks and learn Rudrabhiseka under a Swami invited to to teach. 
Wouldn't that be cool? Learn how to pacify the eleven rudras oneself? and 
round? Or people could learn marma therapy or do a huge mantra accumulation 
and fire homam, or anything anything at all. I just wanted to get people 
thinking of the possibilities that they could indulge themselves in when 
throwing off the dummy it down for westerners mentality of the official TMO. 
  - Original Message -  From: sparaig  
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:35 
AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers 
  SCI is not required to *learn* TM. And, unless the planis to 
never  teach TM to the masses again ever, it seems well, at least as 
 egotistical as everyone seems to be claiming MMY is, to be talking 
 about setting up a large-scale rival TM organization. Chopra's  
organization has no chance of "teaching the masses" on the scale that 
 the TMO has done, and still can do, and yet, you guys think you can 
 do as well as, or better than chopra, and somehow do as well as 
 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. --- 
In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
   On May 25, 2005, at 5:30 PM, Patrick Gillam wrote: 
Much of the impetus behind independent TM  
 teaching comes from making the knowledge   available at 
more affordable prices. But I'm   curious how people who've been 
following the   discussions here would handle other 
aspects   of the teaching that might be a bit more 
problematic. For example, we typically say 
the mantra is a   meaningless sound. Would you all stick 
with   that description? Or would some of you disclose 
  the provenance of mantras? Another 
issue: We say on the third night of   checking that cosmic 
consciousness is a state   in which one's every act is 
spontaneously life-   supporting. But a popular topic among us 
has   been the questioning of that dogma. What would 
  you say? Would you just skip that part of the teaching?  
   And if we start fiddling with the teaching, are 
we   teaching TM, or something inspired by it?  
   The larger subtext: does knowledge really get 
lost?This is a really good question.  
  This is the question I was addressing when I talked the other day 
 about   the upside of the pundits. It will really be these 
guys who will   preserve the true tradition. Unless people take the 
time to train   themselves in the texts behind this tradition, they 
would be  clueless.   Why? Because when you were taught SCI 
you were not given the source  for   these 
teaching. Nor were you given the source behind many of the   
advanced lectures. The science of the gap, the sandi, is all in   
Sanskrit. In other words, the real tradition has been hidden behind  
a   facade of scientific materialism and dispensed. The only real 
 option is   to bootleg the SCI tapes and the advanced 
lectures, etc.And how will you train new teachers 
without all of the video and  audio   tapes?  
  Another issue is who will teach the advanced techniques? 
   The very real upside of the pundits--even if it ends up being 
only  half   of the number stated--the upside is they 
have the full knowledge of  the   tradition AND the 
practices. So it's a good thing that they are   learning what they 
are learning. The karma-kanda aspect of M.'s   teaching really is 
only preserved by Brahmins--and that represents  a   
significant part since what he teaches is essentially karma yoga  for 
  householders. To 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Zdravko Baselli



I never said that Heaven on Earth will come now. It is always inside you, and inside everyone, providing us the choice of living it or not.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


You need ask of me nothing, as I spent four years at MIU and was there at Taste of Utopia, which certainly did seem heavenly, except for the fact that my girlfriend got pregnant. I just seek to know why people think heaven on earth will come now because of a handfull of TM meditators when all the saints in history didn't make it come before. Are you so smug that you think you're better? Obviously. 




- Original Message - 
From: Zdravko Baselli 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

It is not manipulation, it is message of Divine Inteligence who speaks through Divine Souls, so also through Maharishi, great Teacher who gave us the technique to come to the Home of all knowledge, what is necessary to be able to understand it. So again I like to ask you to come to the Home of all knowledge, and then, with support of Universal Mind, all your doubts will be cleared.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 




Well, this is my point, if I had one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a deep anglo imprint in order to manipulate us. Moreover, the concept of heaven on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - time of judgement, Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, new heaven and new earth of Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist in Buddhism or Hinduism. One can't really compare the concepts of Shamballah, or Sat Yuga since they are not any time in near cognizance. So I conclude that this heaven on earth stuff is mere manipulation of the Western mind.


- Original Message - 
From: Robert Gimbel 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
-'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems that the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for creating 'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it is in Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the "will of heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it would follow, that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is happening now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has been discovered and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with himto raise the vibration of the world.This time period, is quite unique, in that,we have the internet, for world-wide communication.We have an ultimate need to evolve the human race.Because of our need to be resolved of
 our destructive tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in Maharishi,to have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, can be re-established,and the West,can also have enlightenment.That's it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zdravko Baselli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:  Since you answer all questions with very used Movement cliches I  shall interpret that to mean that you cannot answer my question as  stated, with thoughts of your own.It is my own thought, dear friend.   To subscribe, send a message to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to:   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/  and click 'Join This Group!' --- -  Yahoo! Groups Linksa.. To visit your group on the web, go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of  Service.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj

On May 27, 2005, at 1:16 AM, anonymousff wrote:

 Dalai Lama is only a politician

 MMY, Boppard, Germany, 1982


 COMMENT
 classic case of projection?

Sounds like jealousy to me. Few people are just one thing--let alone a 
enlightened bodhisattva!



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





So then in what degree of 
provenance is it fair to make it sound like heaven is coming to earth for all 
people? I agree with you in what you just said. I truely believe that all is 
divine right this second. What I don't believe is how that can be bought 
and sold.

Anyone who has done 100,000 
repetitions of any mantra will find that their mind settles to its base 
automatically. TM is not the only path. 



- Original Message - 
From: Zdravko 
Baselli 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

I never said that Heaven on Earth will come now. It is always inside you, 
and inside everyone, providing us the choice of living it or 
not.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 

  
  You need ask of me nothing, as I 
  spent four years at MIU and was there at Taste of Utopia, which certainly did 
  seem heavenly, except for the fact that my girlfriend got pregnant. I 
  just seek to know why people think heaven on earth will come now because of a 
  handfull of TM meditators when all the saints in history didn't make it come 
  before. Are you so smug that you think you're better? Obviously. 
  
  
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Zdravko 
  Baselli 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
  
  It is not manipulation, it is message of Divine Inteligence who speaks 
  through Divine Souls, so also through Maharishi, great Teacher who gave us the 
  technique to come to the Home of all knowledge, what is necessary to be able 
  to understand it. So again I like to ask you to come to the Home of all 
  knowledge, and then, with support of Universal Mind, all your doubts will 
  be cleared.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  



Well, this is my point, if I 
had one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize 
a deep anglo imprint in order to manipulate us. Moreover, the concept 
of heaven on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - time of 
judgement, Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, new heaven and 
new earth of Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist in Buddhism or 
Hinduism. One can't really compare the concepts of Shamballah, or Sat Yuga 
since they are not any time in near cognizance. So I conclude that this 
heaven on earth stuff is mere manipulation of the Western mind.


- Original Message - 
From: Robert 
Gimbel 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
-'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, 
we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems 
that the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for 
creating 'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed 
be thy Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it 
is in Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the 
"will of heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it 
would follow, that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is 
happening now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has 
been discovered and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with 
himto raise the vibration of the world.This time period, is 
quite unique, in that,we have the internet, for world-wide 
communication.We have an ultimate need to evolve the human 
race.Because of our need to be resolved of our destructive 
tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in 
Maharishi,to have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, 
can be re-established,and the West,can also have 
enlightenment.That's it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zdravko Baselli" 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:  Since you answer all questions with very used Movement 
cliches I  shall interpret that to mean that you cannot answer my 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj

On May 27, 2005, at 2:19 AM, sparaig wrote:

 Actually, for all his spiritual talk, the dalai lama's main and only
 focus has been Tibet.


He has primarily written and spoken on aspects of Buddhism. It's what 
you don't hear on news clips. I've not read a lot of his books, but the 
ones I've read were excellent--incredible intellectual knowledge 
side-by-side with profound inner experience and practice. He basically 
has the knowledge not only of a Geshe (which would be like 9-12 years 
of college), but when he ordained his first American monk, a young 
Harvard grad named Robert Thurman, he insisted Bob teach him everything 
he learned at Harvard--so we have the best of the east and the west. 
And of course his personal tutors and gurus were some of the highest 
enlightened beings on the planet.

Tibet has always been part of this, as he is the people's 
representative of a government in exile.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj

On May 27, 2005, at 1:29 AM, sparaig wrote:

 All the Beatles were supporting the NLP in the UK at one point, and
 Larry King passed greetings from one of them on to MMY on TV at one
 point. Can't say which one or whether they all meditate, however.

I had heard that too, but never saw any evidence.

One of the things for me that helps me understand that the TMO was very 
cultish, was the fact that people would lie to promote it. So unless I 
see definitive evidence of such a thing, it has to go in the 
questionable folder till further notice...



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Charlie Lutes on MIU science Siddhis.

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj

On May 26, 2005, at 10:38 PM, hyperbolicgeometry wrote:

 Then, I tried to persuade him to go over to Swami Muktananda; after
 which Charlie visited Muktananda once (at least) when the latter was in
 Santa Monica around 1980. Charlie seemed to be fascinated by Muktananda
 but told me he would always be loyal to MMY.

But unfortunately Mahesh was not loyal to Charlie. He has been written 
out of movement history.



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[FairfieldLife] Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj
Another interesting talk from Integral Naked:

  What's a Perfect Spiritual Teacher?
  
Tami Simon

Tami Simon, the founder of Sounds True, the largest and most successful 
producer of spoken-word spiritual material in America, reflects on the 
600 or so spiritual teachers that she has recorded, and offers a series 
of invaluable conclusions and lessons

  The dialogue starts with Tami and Ken bantering about personal 
issuesthey are long-time friendsbut then moves to the main topic.

  Beginning at around 15 minutes into the dialogue, the central issue 
begins to take shape: What are the qualities of genuine spiritual 
teachers? Are they perfect in every way? Are they an unavoidable 
mixture of human and divine? Is there any way to take the good and 
forgive the bad in each of them? How can one approach a spiritual 
teacher with any sort of balance and judgment?

  We believe this is one of the finest discussions of this topic 
anywhere, and one you will certainly enjoy.

http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing1.html


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[FairfieldLife] Be Still

2005-05-27 Thread Peter Sutphen

BE STILL...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?

2005-05-27 Thread gerbal88
Vaj: got a message that the file/page couldn't be found! It is a very 
promising talk; is there another link to it?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Another interesting talk from Integral Naked:
 
   What's a Perfect Spiritual Teacher?
    
 Tami Simon
 
 Tami Simon, the founder of Sounds True, the largest and most 
successful 
 producer of spoken-word spiritual material in America, reflects on 
the 
 600 or so spiritual teachers that she has recorded, and offers a 
series 
 of invaluable conclusions and lessons
 
   The dialogue starts with Tami and Ken bantering about personal 
 issues—they are long-time friends—but then moves to the main topic.
 
   Beginning at around 15 minutes into the dialogue, the central 
issue 
 begins to take shape: What are the qualities of genuine spiritual 
 teachers? Are they perfect in every way? Are they an unavoidable 
 mixture of human and divine? Is there any way to take the good and 
 forgive the bad in each of them? How can one approach a spiritual 
 teacher with any sort of balance and judgment?
 
   We believe this is one of the finest discussions of this topic 
 anywhere, and one you will certainly enjoy.
 
 http://homepage.mac.com/vajranatha/FileSharing1.html




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Yes, he speaks for 
Tibet. He no longer speaks for Tibetan autonomy, but for integration of Tibet 
into China and concurrent cultural respect for its traditions.

As an exile leading 100,000 other 
Tibetan exiles in Dharamsala he is also for India, and Dharamsala. One should 
note that he officially stepped down and acceeded government control of the 
exile to another. So technically he no longer controls any government. 


The Dalai Lama is also a figurehead 
for some 1,000,000 Tibetans who live in other countries world wide. And he 
is a staunch supported of American Democracy. So he is also for America, and the 
disenfranchised everywhere. As the main figurehead of Kalachakra he is also for 
Shamballa, an etherial place which lies across6 nations including Russia, 
Nepal, India, Pakistan, Tibet, and China.

He is not the figurehead for all 
Tibetan as some suggest. The Panchen Lama, though under house arrest if not 
dead, is the figure head of the Kagyus, and will ostensibly take the Dalai 
Lama's place as supreme figurehead should he ever be released from China. 
The Dalai Lama is head of the gelugpas. While the Nyingmas and Sakyas have other 
figure heads. Saying the Dalai Lama is the figure head for Buddhists is like 
saying the Pope is the figure head for all Christians. 

The Dalai Lama is also for the 
million or so people who have taken the Kalachakra. But more than that, as a 
Buddhist the DL is for life here on earth right now, and the preservation of 
life, instead of constant death and war and destruction.

Don't make fun of the Dalai Lama. 
To do so is to be caught picking your ass at the supermarket. Maharishi is easy 
game, but what did the Dalai lama ever do to you. Schmuck. Same to Maharishi. 
Don't make fun of the Dalai Lama who is the leader who may well be the one to 
create the 1,000 year peace. Read your Revs. There can be no other New Heaven 
and New Earth except through Shamballa. Because it's so written. Even in 
Revs. Ciao.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pointing out instructions and What is the perfect master?

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj
I may have been logged in on this end. Works now (just tried it).

On May 27, 2005, at 8:54 AM, gerbal88 wrote:

 Vaj: got a message that the file/page couldn't be found! It is a very
 promising talk; is there another link to it?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Zdravko Baselli



Heaven coming on the practical living level of life is possibility for all the people, and it is exactly what Maharishi is saying repeatedly all these years.
Certainly, apples are not the only fruit. If you like another fruit more, you just enjoy in eating it, and let others enjoy apples. Even if scientists have found that apples have more vitamins than other fruit, it does not mean than you should not eat what you like the most. 
It is not bought, nor sold, it is just that money is like energy, it isgood to use it for positive purpose.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


So then in what degree of provenance is it fair to make it sound like heaven is coming to earth for all people? I agree with you in what you just said. I truely believe that all is divine right this second. What I don't believe is how that can be bought and sold.

Anyone who has done 100,000 repetitions of any mantra will find that their mind settles to its base automatically. TM is not the only path. 



- Original Message - 
From: Zdravko Baselli 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

I never said that Heaven on Earth will come now. It is always inside you, and inside everyone, providing us the choice of living it or not.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


You need ask of me nothing, as I spent four years at MIU and was there at Taste of Utopia, which certainly did seem heavenly, except for the fact that my girlfriend got pregnant. I just seek to know why people think heaven on earth will come now because of a handfull of TM meditators when all the saints in history didn't make it come before. Are you so smug that you think you're better? Obviously. 




- Original Message - 
From: Zdravko Baselli 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

It is not manipulation, it is message of Divine Inteligence who speaks through Divine Souls, so also through Maharishi, great Teacher who gave us the technique to come to the Home of all knowledge, what is necessary to be able to understand it. So again I like to ask you to come to the Home of all knowledge, and then, with support of Universal Mind, all your doubts will be cleared.Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 




Well, this is my point, if I had one. Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a deep anglo imprint in order to manipulate us. Moreover, the concept of heaven on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - time of judgement, Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, new heaven and new earth of Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist in Buddhism or Hinduism. One can't really compare the concepts of Shamballah, or Sat Yuga since they are not any time in near cognizance. So I conclude that this heaven on earth stuff is mere manipulation of the Western mind.


- Original Message - 
From: Robert Gimbel 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
-'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. As it has stood now, we've created many hells, that's for sure...So, in my mind, it seems that the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, made mention of the formula for creating 'heaven on earth'."Our Father, who art in heaven,hallowed be thy Name.Thy kingdom come.Thy "will be done."On earth, as it is in Heaven.Therefore,If we would align ourselves,with the "will of heaven,and if we believe in a "Compassion Lord"then,it would follow, that,we would create,"Heaven on Earth.And this is happening now.As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,has been discovered and revealed,by, Maharishi, and all those working with himto raise the vibration of the world.This time period, is quite unique, in that,we have the internet, for world-wide communication.We have an ultimate need to evolve the human race.Because of our need to be resolved of
 our destructive tendencies.And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in Maharishi,to have gained world-wide respect,so the Vedas if India, can be re-established,and the West,can also have enlightenment.That's it.Jai Guru Dev.-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Zdravko Baselli" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:  Since you answer all questions with very used Movement cliches I  shall interpret that to mean that you cannot answer my question as  stated, with thoughts of your own.It is my own thought, dear friend.   To subscribe, send a message to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to:   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/  and click 'Join This Group!' --- -  Yahoo! Groups Linksa.. To visit your group on the web, go to:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:  [EMAIL 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 1:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  All the Beatles were supporting the NLP in the UK at one point, 
and
  Larry King passed greetings from one of them on to MMY on TV at 
one
  point. Can't say which one or whether they all meditate, however.
 
 I had heard that too, but never saw any evidence.
 
 One of the things for me that helps me understand that the TMO was 
very 
 cultish, was the fact that people would lie to promote it. So 
unless I 
 see definitive evidence of such a thing, it has to go in the 
 questionable folder till further notice...

Clearly George did his concert at the Albert Hall in London in 
support of the NLP and what a concert!!! Not only George, but Joe 
Walsh and Gary Moore did great sets too. The final numbers had Ringo 
too and Dhani Harrison joined in for the Chuck Berry number.
However, when writer Giuliano interviewed MMY about this concert MMY 
seemed to suggest that George was only doing it for his own career. 
The interview is out on DVD, and a trim of it was released on video.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Digest Number 2878

2005-05-27 Thread steven klayman

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Message: 9 
   Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:24 -0500
   From: Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Ideas for independent teachers

Excellent Logan. Maharishi is like the TM mantra which
having gone to 
finer and finer levels, of an admixture of the
discursive and purely 
cognitive minds must now himself be transcended. I
would guess that the 
last shed skin of the snake will be the most colorful
one. And it is good 
thinking of yours to wish to keep the snake itself
alive, rather than 
get stuck worshipping some skin. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: mike scozzari 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:57 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ideas for independent
teachers


  I've been reading posts forwarded to me from members
  of  FFL for a few months and decided to join.  The
  subject of independent teaching of TM is of interest
  to me and I have given it considerable thought. I've
  taught TM for years and can't imagine denying this
  practice to someone who can't afford the high fees.

  I consider TM to be of great value and I agree with
  the majority of posts about the new and
uncomfortable
  direction the TMO is taking.  I think this 'hostile
  take-over' and recertification puts all the good
work
  of the past 40+ years at risk of being lost and
  discredited. 

  In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas that
  might challenge the TMO both legally and for
  independents everywhere.  If the majority of
teachers
  were to take steps now we might be able to keep the
  teaching alive. On a positive note I think we have a
  very strong case for independents who want to teach.
  I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with
a
  few.

  Logan Parker

Why worry about what someone will think if  you teach
them meditation? Whats it for anyway? Just to make
money? Charging money  for spiritual teaching is
completely outside the Sanatana Dharma
Go to Jyotir Math. There are no fees for anything.
Guru Dev never charged anything, Giving, from your
heart is dakshina. Charging money is a business deal.
TM is a great technique
for getting a person a good solid foundation for
spiritual  growth, but it is only a piece of he
puzzle. 
Peace Palaces, World Plan, Cities of the Immortals,
$2500, Million dollar courses. Give me a break
already. 
Why would someone get re certified? Are they lining up
in your town to start meditation? Or are you going to
get booted out of a dying organization that has been
sticking it to you for decades?
 
Wake up. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a
duck, and walks like a duck, it is probably a duck.

steve


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 1:29 AM, sparaig wrote:
 
  All the Beatles were supporting the NLP in the UK at one point, 
and
  Larry King passed greetings from one of them on to MMY on TV at 
one
  point. Can't say which one or whether they all meditate, however.
 
 I had heard that too, but never saw any evidence.
 
 One of the things for me that helps me understand that the TMO was 
very 
 cultish, was the fact that people would lie to promote it. So 
unless I 
 see definitive evidence of such a thing, it has to go in the 
 questionable folder till further notice...


Clearly George did his concert at the Albert Hall in London in
support of the NLP and what a concert!!! Not only George, but Joe
Walsh and Gary Moore did great sets too. The final numbers had Ringo
on stage and Dhani Harrison joined in for the Chuck Berry number.
However, when writer Giuliano interviewed MMY about this concert MMY
seemed to suggest that George was only doing it for his own career.
The brief interview is out on CD, and a trim of it was released on 
video.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj
Yeah I would think George would be into it more for the NLP and less 
for Mahesh. He certainly wasn't practicing TM, as I have heard Ravi 
Shankar's description of what practices he was doing around and at the 
time of his death.

On May 27, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:

 However, when writer Giuliano interviewed MMY about this concert MMY
 seemed to suggest that George was only doing it for his own career.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Yeah I would think George would be into it more for the NLP and less 
 for Mahesh. He certainly wasn't practicing TM, as I have heard Ravi 
 Shankar's description of what practices he was doing around and at 
the 
 time of his death.
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 9:10 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
 
  However, when writer Giuliano interviewed MMY about this concert MMY
  seemed to suggest that George was only doing it for his own career.

We have George's quote from the press release of that concert 'I still 
practice Transcendental Meditation and I think it's great. Maharishi 
only ever did good for us, and although I have not been with him 
physically, I never left him.'




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj
Interesting if true--which I doubt--he died chanting mantras to 
Krishna...

On May 27, 2005, at 9:42 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:

 We have George's quote from the press release of that concert 'I still
 practice Transcendental Meditation and I think it's great. Maharishi
 only ever did good for us, and although I have not been with him
 physically, I never left him.'



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[FairfieldLife] Hanuman sighted worshipping at a temple in India

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj
Here's an interesting news item from India:

Aping Hindu rituals to a T, a monkey appeared at an Orissa temple, 
prayed for an hour folding its hands in the traditional sign of 
respect, took prasad, put vermilion on its forehead - and then fled.

http://news.webindia123.com/news/showdetails.asp?id=83716cat=India

Jaya Hanuman.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Interesting if true--which I doubt--he died chanting mantras to 
 Krishna...
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 9:42 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
 
  We have George's quote from the press release of that concert 'I 
still
  practice Transcendental Meditation and I think it's great. Maharishi
  only ever did good for us, and although I have not been with him
  physically, I never left him.'

But the concert was long before he passed away and he was still pretty 
fit at that time. 
But it seems he had long mixed and matched his beliefs and practises.
I don't believe any of the celebrity figure TMers have ever taken the 
practise as seriously as those on FFL [with the exception of Beach Boy 
Mike Love and the dedicated Paul Horn]. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj

On May 27, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:

 I don't believe any of the celebrity figure TMers have ever taken the
 practise as seriously as those on FFL

Well maybe Lynch, Kauffman and Henning.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
 
  I don't believe any of the celebrity figure TMers have ever taken 
the
  practise as seriously as those on FFL
 
 Well maybe Lynch, Kauffman and Henning.

I was only thinking of the musicians ... 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Well I talked to GH in 88 and he 
only did Hare Krishna Mahamantra.


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Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:42 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: 
Yeah I would think George would be into it more for the NLP and less  
for Mahesh. He certainly wasn't practicing TM, as I have heard Ravi  
Shankar's description of what practices he was doing around and at the 
 time of his death.  On May 27, 2005, at 9:10 AM, 
Premanand Paul Mason wrote:   However, when writer Giuliano 
interviewed MMY about this concert MMY  seemed to suggest that 
George was only doing it for his own career.We have George's quote from 
the press release of that concert 'I still practice Transcendental 
Meditation and I think it's great. Maharishi only ever did good for us, and 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Vaj
I had heard that rumor that you met him. Could you recount the experience?

On May 27, 2005, at 10:23 AM, Llundrub wrote:

Well I talked to GH in 88 and he only did Hare Krishna Mahamantra.

[FairfieldLife] Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Marma Panchakarma training





Vaidya Mishra will be in Bethesda again with Dr. Douglas Beech in June. This time he will be not only offering ayurvedic pulse diagnosis but training in Marma therapy Panchakarma. This is a very exciting opportunity to gain some traditional knowledge in a therapeutic modality that works wonders for establishing and maintaining balance in health. This would be ideal for anyone with an established health care practice whether it is traditional or allopathic. 

The Marma Panchakarma Course will be June 17, 18 and 20 from 8 am to 6 pm.
 
Dr. Beech wrote a Free Report on the course. It is on his website tomorrow at www.postureworks.com/prana http://www.postureworks.com/prana You can go there and read about the course and see our Bios and there is a toll free number for you to call.

Dr. Mishra and I will be available for Ayurvedic Consultations on June 20, 21 and 22. If you would like to make an appointment, please call us at 301-951-9000



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub
Title: Marma Panchakarma training





Marma therapy is cool. Wish he was 
coming to NOLA.


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[FairfieldLife] Curing Hemmorrhoids Sutra

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub
Title: Buddha on Curing Hemorrhoids Sutra





Most Sidhas need this 
one.

Buddha on Curing Hemorrhoids Sutra
Based on the Chinese translation byTripitaka Master Yi Jing of Tang 
Dynasty
English translation by Yutang Lin 

Thus I heard: At one time Bhagavan and five hundred great monks were in the 
bamboo grove garden of the great city of Rajagrha. Then many monks' bodies were 
inflicted with hemorrhoids; their physical bodies were thin and weak and 
entangled in lingering pain and suffering, and they were extremely worried and 
annoyed day and night. Then Meritorious Ananda, having witnessed this matter, 
went to where the World Honored One was. He prostrated and touched Buddha's 
soles with the top of his head in respect, and then stood on one side. He said 
to the World Honored One, "Now in the city of Rajagrha there are many monks 
whose bodies are inflicted with hemorrhoids. Their physical bodies are thin and 
weak and entangled in lingering pain and suffering, and they are extremely 
worried and annoyed day and night. World Honored One, how to cure all these 
hemorrhoid diseases?" Buddha told Ananda, "You may listen to this Curing 
Hemorrhoids Sutra, and then maintain its repetition so that it is well memorized 
in mind that you would not forget it. In addition, you should widely proclaim 
and explain it to others. Thus all these hemorrhoid diseases would be 
eradicated, such as wind hemorrhoids, heat hemorrhoids, depression hemorrhoids, 
trinity hemorrhoids, blood hemorrhoids, abdominal hemorrhoids, nasal 
hemorrhoids, dental hemorrhoids, tongue hemorrhoids, eye hemorrhoids, ear 
hemorrhoids, head hemorrhoids, limb hemorrhoids, back hemorrhoids, anus 
hemorrhoids, and hemorrhoids that grow on joints all over the body, all such 
hemorrhoid tumors would dry up, fall off, perish, and undoubtedly be cured. To 
attain such cure all should maintain repetition of the following miraculous 
mantra," and Buddha uttered the mantra (rendered in Pin Yin):
Da Zhi Ta, E Lan Di, E Lan Mi, Shi Li Pi, Shi Li Shi Li, Mo Jie Shi Zhi, San 
Po Ba Du, Sha He.
"Ananda, To the North from here there is a great snow mountain king, and in 
it there is a great Sala tree named 'Difficult to Overcome.' It has three types 
of flowers: those that are budding, those in full bloom, and those withered. 
Just as those flowers fell as they withered, the hemorrhoids inflicting my monks 
would fall like that, no more bleeding and no more pus, forever free from pain 
and suffering, and all completely dried up. Furthermore, one who repeats this 
Sutra often would attain the wisdom to know one's past lives and remember events 
of the latest seven lives, and perfectly accomplish the mantra practice." Buddha 
again uttered the following mantra:
Da Zhi Ta Zhan Mi, Zhan Mi She Zhan Mi, She Mo Ni She Zhan Ni, Sha He.
As Buddha finished proclamation of this Sutra, Meritorious Ananda and all in 
the assembly greatly rejoiced, faithfully received the teaching and carried on 
as they were taught.
Translated on September 15, 2004 With gratitude for speedy recovery from 
recent hemorrhoid ordealEl Cerrito, California

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread Jeff Fischer
Rick A.  I appreciate the service you provide in the form of 
information and inquiry.  I remember you as an even minded, even 
tempered true seeker.  My experience at FFL reconfirms these 
observations and I wanted to publicly acknowledge you and invite 
others to do so as well.  

You can blush now.
Thanks.
Jeff F
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Vaidya Mishra will be in Bethesda again with Dr. Douglas Beech in 
June. This
 time he will be not only offering ayurvedic pulse diagnosis but 
training in
 Marma therapy Panchakarma. This is a very exciting opportunity to 
gain some
 traditional knowledge in a therapeutic modality that works wonders 
for
 establishing and maintaining balance in health. This would be ideal 
for
 anyone with an established health care practice whether it is 
traditional or
 allopathic.  
 
 The Marma Panchakarma Course will be June 17, 18 and 20 from 8 am 
to 6 pm.
  
 Dr. Beech wrote a Free Report on the course. It is on his website 
tomorrow
 at www.postureworks.com/prana http://www.postureworks.com/prana   
You can
 go there and read about the course and see our Bios and there is a 
toll free
 number for you to call.
 
 Dr. Mishra and I will be available for Ayurvedic Consultations on 
June 20,
 21 and 22.  If you would like to make an appointment, please call 
us at
 301-951-9000





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
  I've seen the interior and exterior of a few of those temples pictured
  on the net and they didn't cost $3 million either!
  
  JohnY
 
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 http://www.cuisinecuisine.com/HinduTemplesinUS.htm#Iowa

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread Jeff Fischer
The Hindu Temple in Austin is gorgeous with fruit trees and organic 
farming.  Had to have cost over 3 million.  It's quite impressive.

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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   I've seen the interior and exterior of a few of those temples 
pictured
   on the net and they didn't cost $3 million either!
   
   JohnY
  
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  http://www.cuisinecuisine.com/HinduTemplesinUS.htm#Iowa
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Ideas for independent teachers

2005-05-27 Thread theofehr
In the German speaking countries TM-teachers from Germany and Austria
have joined the network of independent initiators.
In a next step we will establish our network on a European Basis,
starting with England (see link section), Norway (Ingegerd), Germany
and Austria, so that we may be closer interconnected and our network
expands.   
 
May even be time to link ourselves with the colleagues from other
continents ??

Theo Fehr

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steven klayman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 
 __
 Message: 9 
Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:23:24 -0500
From: Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Ideas for independent teachers
 
 Excellent Logan. Maharishi is like the TM mantra which
 having gone to 
 finer and finer levels, of an admixture of the
 discursive and purely 
 cognitive minds must now himself be transcended. I
 would guess that the 
 last shed skin of the snake will be the most colorful
 one. And it is good 
 thinking of yours to wish to keep the snake itself
 alive, rather than 
 get stuck worshipping some skin. 
   - Original Message - 
   From: mike scozzari 
   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:57 AM
   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ideas for independent
 teachers
 
 
   I've been reading posts forwarded to me from members
   of  FFL for a few months and decided to join.  The
   subject of independent teaching of TM is of interest
   to me and I have given it considerable thought. I've
   taught TM for years and can't imagine denying this
   practice to someone who can't afford the high fees.
 
   I consider TM to be of great value and I agree with
   the majority of posts about the new and
 uncomfortable
   direction the TMO is taking.  I think this 'hostile
   take-over' and recertification puts all the good
 work
   of the past 40+ years at risk of being lost and
   discredited. 
 
   In the future I'd like to introduce a few ideas that
   might challenge the TMO both legally and for
   independents everywhere.  If the majority of
 teachers
   were to take steps now we might be able to keep the
   teaching alive. On a positive note I think we have a
   very strong case for independents who want to teach.
   I'm not a lawyer but have been in consultation with
 a
   few.
 
   Logan Parker





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Why the Orme-Johnsons left MIU

2005-05-27 Thread Sal Sunshine
I believe it.  The one course I took with her she was constantly--and I mean constantly--denigrating anything at all that was non-TM, completely oblivious to anyone else's thoughts or feelings.  Apparently it was too much even for Bevan.

Sal


On May 27, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote:

Someone asked about this the other day so I inquired and was told that Bevan couldnt tolerate Rhodas strong personality and outspokenness. So he strongly encouraged them to leave.
 --

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why the Orme-Johnsons left MIU

2005-05-27 Thread Jeff Fischer
Anyone know what happened to Susie Levin Dillbeck? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 I believe it.  The one course I took with her she was constantly--
and I 
 mean constantly--denigrating anything at all that was non-TM, 
 completely oblivious to anyone else's thoughts or feelings.  
Apparently 
 it was too much even for Bevan.
 
 Sal
 
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 12:14 AM, Rick Archer wrote:
 
  Someone asked about this the other day so I inquired and was told 
that 
  Bevan couldn't tolerate Rhoda's strong personality and 
outspokenness. 
  So he strongly encouraged them to leave.
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[FairfieldLife] Anyone know her, or him?

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub






That's me, and my old girlfriend at 
MIU. Does anyone know where she is now?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread WLeed3





I fully agree with the thought you have done much to enrich my life Rick 
Archer by being on FF Life etc. Bill Leed


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread jim_flanegin
admittedly I can't speak for an entire generation, though what I have 
noticed is the astonishing clarity of perception of many children 
these days. Can't say for sure what the reasons are, though possibly 
our emphasis on spiritual unfoldment had something to do with it; 
preparing an environment where more evolved souls can come in.

Has anyone else noticed such a phenomenon? 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 It's the nature of pendulums to swing.  The generation
 before ours (or mine), had no serious spiritual interest
 at all. Ours went overboard in one direction.  Now the
 pendulum is back on the other side.  It will return, as
 it has no choice.
 





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[FairfieldLife] Re: After death

2005-05-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 --- Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  What happens to the individual when he drops his
  body after attaining 
  enlightenment?  One unbounded ocean of consciousness
  in motion?
 
 Nothing can happen to an enlightened individual after
 dropping the body because there is no individual for
 anything to happen to. You are understanding
 enlightenment in terms of waking state. Enlightenment
 can not be understood from waking state. Waking state
 assume there is an I that stuff happens to. That
 just is not true anymore in enlightenment. Yea, I
 know, it makes no sense to the mind, but then
 enlightenment has nothing to do with mind other than
 squashing it.
 -Squashed like bug

So, this makes me wonder, was the existence of a body the cause of 
believing an individual existed in the first place? Or, was the 
belief that an individual exists the cause for the existence of a 
body? Any ideas about why an intelligent universe would manifest as 
an individual body?

Rick Carlstrom




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam lookalike

2005-05-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 26, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:
 
  I happen to know that Benjamin Creme has access to
  information at the
  very core of our civilisation.
 
  I didn't know he worked in the sewers!
 
  Heck I should've guessed by now...he sure can shovel
  it.
 
  And it's eaten as fast as he can shovel it (gross!) by
  hungry, evolved souls!
 
 Speaking of evolved souls, I have to wonder now if Ben knows Ed 
Norton 
 and the Cramdens (Ralph and Alice)?
 
 I'd love to hear an overshadowing of Ralph and Ed doing their 
schtick! 
 I can almost hear the tubes warming up on the old black and 
white

Norton reincarnated as a Zen master, Ralph reincarnated as Bevan and 
Alice is on the moon.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: After death

2005-05-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --The question implies, what happens to all subtle bodies after 
 death, an Enlightened person compared to others. There are varying 
 opinions on this, depending upon the School. Take Buddhism for 
 example.  In the Pure Land School, various enties having subtle 
 bodies live in the Pure Land (a higher dimensional, non-
 physical Heaven).  However, the Buddhist Pure Land Sciptures 
 declare that this realm is populated by entities on various levels 
of 
 attainment, from Buddhas to those wishing to attain Enlightenment in 
 the inner realms without having to incarnate again on the physical.
 
 
Sounds like a more complete take on a complex subject.

Rick Carlstrom




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam lookalike

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Tony went too fight in Belfast. 
Rudy stayed at home to starve. 

- Original Message - 
From: Rick 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:50 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Saddam lookalike
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: 
 On May 26, 2005, at 6:30 PM, Peter Sutphen wrote:  
 I happen to know that Benjamin Creme has access to  
information at the  very core of our civilisation. 
  I didn't know he worked in the sewers! 
  Heck I should've guessed by now...he sure can 
shovel  it.   And it's eaten as fast as 
he can shovel it (gross!) by  hungry, evolved souls! 
 Speaking of evolved souls, I have to wonder now if Ben knows Ed 
Norton  and the Cramdens (Ralph and Alice)?  I'd 
love to hear an overshadowing of Ralph and Ed doing their schtick!  
I can almost hear the tubes warming up on the old black and 
whiteNorton reincarnated as a Zen master, Ralph reincarnated as 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Zdravko Baselli 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I never said that Heaven on Earth will come now. It is always 
inside you, and inside everyone, providing us the choice of living 
it or not.

Yes, yes, yes. This is a very important distinction.

Rick Carlstrom


 
 Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You need ask of me nothing, as I 
spent four years at MIU and was there at Taste of Utopia, which 
certainly did seem heavenly, except for the fact that my girlfriend 
got pregnant.  I just seek to know why people think heaven on earth 
will come now because of a handfull of TM meditators when all the 
saints in history didn't make it come before. Are you so smug that 
you think you're better? Obviously. 
  
  
  
  
 - Original Message - From: Zdravko Baselli 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
 
 
 
 It is not manipulation, it is message of Divine Inteligence who 
speaks through Divine Souls, so also through Maharishi, great 
Teacher who gave us the technique to come to the Home of all 
knowledge, what is necessary to be able to understand it. So again I 
like to ask you to come to the Home of all knowledge, and then, with 
support of Universal Mind, all your doubts will be cleared.
 
 Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, this is my point, if I had 
one.  Maharishi has played upon the Lord's Prayer so as to utilize a 
deep anglo imprint in order to manipulate us.  Moreover, the concept 
of heaven on earth is really only in Western religions like Islam - 
time of judgement, Judaism - Zion, and Christianity- Lord's Prayer, 
new heaven and new earth of Revelations. The cooncept doesn't exist 
in Buddhism or Hinduism. One can't really compare the concepts of 
Shamballah, or Sat Yuga since they are not any time in near 
cognizance. So I conclude that this heaven on earth stuff is mere 
manipulation of the Western mind.
  
  
 - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:31 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth
 
 
 
 -'Heaven on Earth' nice concept. 
 As it has stood now, we've created many hells, that's for sure...
 So, in my mind, it seems that the prayer of Jesus of Nazareth, 
made 
 mention of the formula for creating 'heaven on earth'.
 Our Father, who art in heaven,
 hallowed be thy Name.
 Thy kingdom come.
 Thy will be done.
 On earth, as it is in Heaven.
 Therefore,
 If we would align ourselves,
 with the will of heaven,
 and if we believe in a Compassion Lord
 then,
 it would follow, that,
 we would create,
 Heaven on Earth.
 And this is happening now.
 As the formula, for the raising of consciousness,
 has been discovered and revealed,
 by, Maharishi, and all those working with him
 to raise the vibration of the world.
 This time period, 
 is quite unique, 
 in that,
 we have the internet, for world-wide communication.
 We have an ultimate need to evolve the human race.
 Because of our need to be resolved of our destructive tendencies.
 And we have a genius of Supreme Knowledge, in Maharishi,
 to have gained world-wide respect,
 so the Vedas if India, 
 can be re-established,
 and the West,
 can also have enlightenment.
 That's it.
 Jai Guru Dev.
 
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  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
   Since you answer all questions with very used Movement cliches 
I 
  shall interpret that to mean that you cannot answer my question 
as 
  stated, with thoughts of your own.  
   
   It is my own thought, dear friend. 
   
   
   
   
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[FairfieldLife] Death Instructions

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





I have been empowered to give these 
teachings by my very generous lama Venerable Karma Llundrub Rinpoche. 
However, I am allowed to give them to no more than three persons at a time. And 
they must be serious about receiving them. So if someone is interested I will 
offer this service to you. These teachingsare called:

Dakini Teachings:
Padmasambhava's Oral Instructions 
To Lady Tsogel.
Recorded and Concealed by Yeshe 
Tsogyal.
Revealed by Nyang Ral Nyima 
Oser.
Translated by Eric Pema 
Kunsang.

Please don't ask for them just to 
be a pest, but only if you feel that you might need them. Homage to Guru 
Rinpoche. Dedicated to beings journeying through the Bardo. 




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[FairfieldLife] Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread claudiouk
Never met you in person but in only the FFL avatar version.. a wise 
and calming presence. But is your story in any particulat post (in 
which case, which please?) or just scattered about here, like gold 
dust?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rick A.  I appreciate the service you provide in the form of 
 information and inquiry.  I remember you as an even minded, even 
 tempered true seeker.  My experience at FFL reconfirms these 
 observations and I wanted to publicly acknowledge you and invite 
 others to do so as well.  
 
 You can blush now.
 Thanks.
 Jeff F
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Vaidya Mishra will be in Bethesda again with Dr. Douglas Beech in 
 June. This
  time he will be not only offering ayurvedic pulse diagnosis but 
 training in
  Marma therapy Panchakarma. This is a very exciting opportunity to 
 gain some
  traditional knowledge in a therapeutic modality that works 
wonders 
 for
  establishing and maintaining balance in health. This would be 
ideal 
 for
  anyone with an established health care practice whether it is 
 traditional or
  allopathic.  
  
  The Marma Panchakarma Course will be June 17, 18 and 20 from 8 am 
 to 6 pm.
   
  Dr. Beech wrote a Free Report on the course. It is on his website 
 tomorrow
  at www.postureworks.com/prana 
http://www.postureworks.com/prana   
 You can
  go there and read about the course and see our Bios and there is 
a 
 toll free
  number for you to call.
  
  Dr. Mishra and I will be available for Ayurvedic Consultations on 
 June 20,
  21 and 22.  If you would like to make an appointment, please call 
 us at
  301-951-9000





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Be Still

2005-05-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 BE STILL...
 

What are you kidding me?!?!?!? I just had some black tea, I have to 
walk the dogs and then go to work and I have so many things to do this 
weekend and I have to catch up on the FFLife posts and post a few 
myself and read that book about being still so that when tomorrow 
comes I will have everything ready and so that I can get everything 
finished and then I can finally have time to be still.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread Rick
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Never met you in person but in only the FFL avatar version.. a 
wise 
 and calming presence. But is your story in any particulat post 
(in 
 which case, which please?) or just scattered about here, like gold 
 dust?
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Rick A.  I appreciate the service you provide in the form of 
  information and inquiry.  I remember you as an even minded, even 
  tempered true seeker.  My experience at FFL reconfirms these 
  observations and I wanted to publicly acknowledge you and invite 
  others to do so as well.  
  
  You can blush now.
  Thanks.
  Jeff F


Plus Rick and his wife take in stray dogs and nurse them back to 
health. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread rick


-Original Message-From: Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 15:42:01 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training
Rick A.  I appreciate the service you provide in the form of 
information and inquiry.  I remember you as an even minded, even 
tempered true seeker.  My experience at FFL reconfirms these 
observations and I wanted to publicly acknowledge you and invite 
others to do so as well.  

You can blush now.
Thanks.
Jeff F
Pink as a beet. Thanks, Jeff. I'm certainly not doing it for the praise. The dirty looks I get around town outweigh that.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Be Still

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





I thought he meant stay 
alive.


- Original Message - 
From: Rick 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:23 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Be Still
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: 
 BE STILL... What are you kidding me?!?!?!? I 
just had some black tea, I have to walk the dogs and then go to work and I 
have so many things to do this weekend and I have to catch up on the FFLife 
posts and post a few myself and read that book about being still so that 
when tomorrow comes I will have everything ready and so that I can get 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread rick


-Original Message-From: Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:31:56 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)Plus Rick and his wife take in stray dogs and nurse them back to health. -
We've only personally adopted two of them, one which was nearly shot by the sheriff, the other which was left in a recycling container at the age of about 5-6 weeks. But my wife works for Noah's Ark (http://noahsark.org). She volunteered for years but now gets paid a modest salary. She also does a lot of volunteer work for the local Amma group and designs book covers: http://book-cover-design.com 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread Jeff Fischer
Nice graphics work

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  -Original Message-
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 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:31:56 -
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma 
training)
 
 
 Plus Rick and his wife take in stray dogs and nurse them back to 
 health. 
 
 -
 We've only personally adopted two of them, one which was nearly 
shot by the sheriff, the other which was left in a recycling 
container at the age of about 5-6 weeks. But my wife works for Noah's 
Ark (http://noahsark.org). She volunteered for years but now gets 
paid a modest salary. She also does a lot of volunteer work for the 
local Amma group and designs book covers: http://book-cover-design.com




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub






Pink as a beet. Thanks, Jeff. I'm certainly not doing it for the 
praise. The dirty looks I get around town outweigh that.


Most people like to rank others. 

I'll never forget a dream I had once though 
about FFLife and Maharishi.

There were a bunch of us standing around commenting 
on Maharishi who was on the dias. We were his peers. Identical in 
evolution, but it was his turn to shine. Maharishi was old and his face was 
really long, and looked like a boars, with tusks. And I said, "He's 
looking alot like Varaha." And that set off a buzz of talk which I couldn't 
really make the words out of. What was certain was that we were all, 
including MMY, in the same soul group and level of Bodhisattva. 


Funny how so many of you have forgotten 
that. 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Now your technique is to hold 
yourstrays and do pujas for them so that they will automatically move onto 
better lifeforms. 


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Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma 
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Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: 
Fri, 27 May 2005 17:31:56 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was 
Marma Panchakarma training)Plus Rick and his wife 
take in stray dogs and nurse them back to health. 
-
We've only personally 
adopted two of them, one which was nearly shot by the sheriff, the other which 
was left in a recycling container at the age of about 5-6 weeks. But my wife 
works for Noah's Ark (http://noahsark.org). She volunteered for years 
but now gets paid a modest salary. She also does a lot of volunteer work for the 
local Amma group and designs book covers: http://book-cover-design.com 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Heaven on Earth

2005-05-27 Thread jim_flanegin
interesting calculation:

assuming one taking up of the mantra per minute, average = 
40 mantra repetitions per day doing standard TM =
14,600 mantra repetitions per year (40 x 365) =
36 years of TM 20 minutes twice a day to equal one full year of 
constant TM =
525,600 mantra repetitions

(and after all that you still have to put on your socks one at a 
time...)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Anyone who has done 100,000 repetitions of any mantra will find that 
their mind settles to its base automatically. 




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread WLeed3



THANKS Rick from Bill Leed as well you have  the cite often brightened my day  weeks THANKS RICK-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 10:49:00 -0700Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

2005-05-27 Thread rick


-Original Message-From: claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.comSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:19:32 -Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rick Archer (was Marma Panchakarma training)

Never met you in person but in only the FFL "avatar" version.. a wise 
and calming presence. But is your "story" in any particulat post (in 
which case, which please?) or just scattered about here, like gold 
dust?

Scattered about, like gold dust and mouse droppings. Never typed up an official "story" but if anyone has questions I'd be happy to answer them.


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread marekreavis
Comment below:

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rick A.  I appreciate the service you provide in the form of 
 information and inquiry.  I remember you as an even minded, even 
 tempered true seeker.  My experience at FFL reconfirms these 
 observations and I wanted to publicly acknowledge you and invite 
 others to do so as well.  
 
 You can blush now.
 Thanks.
 Jeff F

**SNIP TO END**

I don't feel you should ever pass up an opportunity to praise.  So, 
thank you, Jeff, for bringing up the subject of Rick's inestimable 
contribution to the many folks who post and lurk here at FFL. And 
thank you, Rick, for starting it and moderating it and being the 
expression of compassion and intelligence that you are.

FFL is a true satsang (even if a rough one at times) and a model for 
how the Movement evolves beyond itself.  Many more people than 
Rick are ultimately responsible for FFL, of course, and my deep 
gratitude is addressed to them, too.

Thanks to each and every, one and all.

Marek




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Be Still

2005-05-27 Thread jim_flanegin
highlarious rick!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  BE STILL...
  
 
 What are you kidding me?!?!?!? I just had some black tea, I have to 
 walk the dogs and then go to work and I have so many things to do 
this 
 weekend and I have to catch up on the FFLife posts and post a few 
 myself and read that book about being still so that when tomorrow 
 comes I will have everything ready and so that I can get everything 
 finished and then I can finally have time to be still.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fearful Brits call for ban on knives, rocks

2005-05-27 Thread uns_tressor
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

Better than being worried about machine pistols.
How many shootings per day do you have?
Uns.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Beatles Rishikesh

2005-05-27 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 On May 27, 2005, at 10:03 AM, Premanand Paul Mason wrote:
 
 
  I don't believe any of the celebrity figure TMers have ever 
taken
  the
  practise as seriously as those on FFL
 
  Well maybe Lynch, Kauffman and Henning.
 
  I was only thinking of the musicians ...
 
 I know Steve Howe of Yes and he's a TM'er. In a recent interview he 
 mentioned that he still does TM and always does before a gig.

I loved his solo on 'My White Bicycle' when he was with Keith West  
Tomorrow. 
Remember The Crazy World of Arthur Brown? A TM teacher friend who 
went independent in the mid-70's taught the amazing (dancing even 
when his leg was broken!) Arthur.





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[FairfieldLife] From a Purusha friend

2005-05-27 Thread Rick Archer
Dear Friends,

A note from a friend! We are moving out of the SCA, but I don't know about
the second rumor yet! Hope it's real.

Jai Guru Dev

Michael :)

-

Hello, Michael:

Well, now that I'm in touch with the Peace Palace Directors of Vedic America
(Raja Wynne's domain), I'm hearing rumors.  I was never plugged into any
rumor mill before.

Word is you guys are moving, and that Maharishi told Raja Wynne that Vedic
India is coming to Vedic America, so they'll have to find someplace else to
put the TTC now in progress in the pandit village!

Man, I hope that second rumor is true.  Even with this spectacular program,
we need more coherence out here for these Maharishi Enlightenment Centers
to get up and running.

Did you hear the May 11 press conference?  Maharishi putting Great Britain
on hold?  I was shaking in my boots until he named the country he was going
to pull out of...still I was surprised!

Never a dull moment, to say the least.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Did I Wake up in the Wrong Alternative Universe?

2005-05-27 Thread gullible fool
 
Actually, Ingegard, I was referring to what's going on
in the US. My experience from numerous trips to Europe
in the last six years is that there's a much wider
interest in spiritual growth there.

--- Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I am not sure about what you say - that young people
 does not turn to 
 spiritual growth anymore. May be not to TM - because
 TM is not well-
 known anymore. They just do not find us - and when
 they find the TMO -
  they can't afford to learn TM. The young people
 that I come in 
 contact with, and learn TM - they are as much
 seekers that I was as 
 young. Most of the young people coming to me, is
 trying og has tried 
 some sorts of drugs. And when we are sitting
 talking, they have very 
 deep thoughts of spirituality. Some of them find TM
 as a substitute 
 for drugs. I have some bad experience to teach TM to
 alocoholics. It 
 seems that people using some kind of drugs have more
 benefit from TM 
 than alcoholics. Has somebody else some experiences
 like that?
 Ingegerd 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Cliff
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  It's the nature of pendulums to swing.  The
 generation
  before ours (or mine), had no serious spiritual
 interest
  at all. Ours went overboard in one direction.  Now
 the
  pendulum is back on the other side.  It will
 return, as
  it has no choice.
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible
 fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
  
   I think the biggest problem is that few young
 people
   turn to spiritual growth anymore. For the past
 few
   decades, young people who were destined to be
 seekers
   were mostly the kids of the first generation of
   seekers.  

   The TMO would have done well to support the SIMS
 above
   all else, if the aim was to bring in more
 initiates.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Sleep

2005-05-27 Thread gullible fool

I'll never forget the day Bevan reported how Maharishi
said the Natural Law Party was his greatest idea yet.
It was probably in one of the early NLP conference
calls.
  
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108
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   HH the Dalai Lama has done close to a dozen
 conferences with 
 leaders 
  in 
   many fields,
  
  Dalai Lama is only a politician
   
  MMY, Boppard, Germany, 1982
 
 Yes, too true.  But, alas, MMY became one also with
 his NLP and his 
 weekly proclamations on all things political.
 
 Which, of course, has proven to be yet another nail
 in the coffin of 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] From a Purusha friend

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





Yeah, those purusha guys are really 
grounded in reality.


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Archer 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] From a Purusha friend
Dear Friends,A note from a friend! We are moving out 
of the SCA, but I don't know aboutthe second rumor yet! Hope it's 
real.Jai Guru DevMichael :)-Hello, 
Michael:Well, now that I'm in touch with the Peace Palace Directors of 
Vedic America(Raja Wynne's domain), I'm hearing rumors. I was never 
plugged into anyrumor mill before.Word is you guys are moving, and 
that Maharishi told Raja Wynne that VedicIndia is coming to Vedic America, 
so they'll have to find someplace else toput the TTC now in progress in the 
pandit village!Man, I hope that second rumor is true. Even with 
this spectacular program,we need more coherence "out here" for these 
Maharishi Enlightenment Centersto get up and running.Did you hear 
the May 11 press conference? Maharishi putting Great Britainon 
hold? I was shaking in my boots until he named the country he was 
goingto pull out of...still I was surprised!Never a dull moment, to 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] From a Purusha friend

2005-05-27 Thread Llundrub





I'm kind of stupid. What exactly 
was said in this memo?


- Original Message - 
From: Rick Archer 

To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 1:42 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] From a Purusha friend
Dear Friends,A note from a friend! We are moving out 
of the SCA, but I don't know aboutthe second rumor yet! Hope it's 
real.Jai Guru DevMichael :)-Hello, 
Michael:Well, now that I'm in touch with the Peace Palace Directors of 
Vedic America(Raja Wynne's domain), I'm hearing rumors. I was never 
plugged into anyrumor mill before.Word is you guys are moving, and 
that Maharishi told Raja Wynne that VedicIndia is coming to Vedic America, 
so they'll have to find someplace else toput the TTC now in progress in the 
pandit village!Man, I hope that second rumor is true. Even with 
this spectacular program,we need more coherence "out here" for these 
Maharishi Enlightenment Centersto get up and running.Did you hear 
the May 11 press conference? Maharishi putting Great Britainon 
hold? I was shaking in my boots until he named the country he was 
goingto pull out of...still I was surprised!Never a dull moment, to 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Marma Panchakarma training

2005-05-27 Thread Rick Archer
on 5/27/05 1:12 PM, marekreavis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thanks, Marek and thanks for saying:

 Many more people than
 Rick are ultimately responsible for FFL, of course, and my deep
 gratitude is addressed to them, too.

Because some critics of FFL feel that I am personally or at least karmically
responsible for everything posted here.





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[FairfieldLife] programme for non-resident Indians (except UK citizens!)

2005-05-27 Thread claudiouk
NB no more requests for Yagyas or Muhurtas are being accepted for 
people resident in the UK

Maharishi's unique programme for non-resident Indians
by GGN-India Desk staff writer

Age of Enlightenment News Service
New Delhi, India
27 May 2005

On 27 May 2005 Age of Enlightenment News Service reported: His 
Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, in his weekly address to the world 
media, has called upon non-resident Indians (NRI) living in the US 
and European countries to align themselves with his Vedic programmes, 
and contribute towards lasting world peace and prosperity. He said 
that this is an opportunity for them to provide totality to their 
life and profession. It is a joy for Global Good News service to 
feature this news, which indicates the success of the life-supporting 
programmes Maharishi has designed to bring fulfilment to the field of 
world-peace. 

Maharishi asked every NRI to create a group of 11 Vedic pundits, 
build a Yagya Mandap in India, and participate in Yagyas and 
Anushthans through webcam while living in the US or elsewhere. The 
whole process was explained to the media during the press conference 
by the Global Country's Minister of Enlightenment Dr Bevan Morris. 

He said that because of the time difference between the US and India 
when these pundits recite Vedic mantras in the morning in India, the 
families in the US can hear them while retiring for the day in the 
evening. He said that these mantras will create positivity and 
coherence by purifying the collective consciousness in these 
countries. 

Dr Morris reiterated that Vedic Mantras can increase the mind's EEG 
coherence; and this has been proven by many scientific researches 
conducted recently. This means that the whole brain works in 
synchronization, and can increase the level of peace and positivity. 

He also said that Yagyas and Anushthans have had their positive 
impact on the relations between India and Pakistan, China and Japan, 
China and Taiwan, and North and South Korea. These nations have 
successfully emerged from decades long acrimony. 

He said that the Vedic programmes being performed in India have 
streamlined the administration, and purified the collective 
consciousness of these nations. As a result, the political leaders 
are making the right decisions. 

Dr Morris said that because it is the resolve of Maharishi to create 
lasting world peace, he has decided to establish Peace Governments in 
all parts of the world. These Vedic performances are a part of that 
exercise. 
Every day Global Good News documents the rise of a better quality of 
life dawning in the world and highlights the need for introducing 
Natural Law based—Total Knowledge based—programmes to bring the 
support of Nature to every individual, raise the quality of life of 
every society, and create a lasting state of world peace.





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[FairfieldLife] Well, LB kicks some ass!

2005-05-27 Thread cardemaister

http://www.drummerworld.com/m3u/Louisbellsonskindeep.m3u

Especially during the last quarter or so!




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