[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The story of Anoop CHandola hearing from the Shankaracharya of the > > North that MMY was his first choice to be his sucessor is > Chandola's > > own story. > > And completely irrelevant to reality. :-) > > It's a "See...somebody 'important' thinks Maharishi is > cool" story, like trotting out stories of how Larry King > still thinks well of him, as if that settles things. > > > He never learned official "TM." He learned meditation from > > Swami Shantananda Shankaracharya,as did his family. The local TM > > center always invited him to all functions, however. > > > > Joyce Weaver's story about Satchananda squishing a bug was a first- > > hand account as far as I know. Ditto with MMY yelling at some > > workers. Virginia Duncan, whom I *think* was the one who told it to > > me, was on one of the earliest TTCs in India. > > And equally irrelevant to reality. The stories "mean" > something only to people who believe they "mean" > something. > > Stories are sometimes used to inspire. Sometimes they > are used as a club, as someone tells a story that "means" > something to someone else, to get them to shut up and > believe the things that they want you to believe. Look > at the use of "storytelling" in modern politics. The > minute Bush starts telling a story about "Gladys Filch, > who lived in Bumfuck, Iowa, and who..." you *know* he's > trying to sell you something, and doesn't have any facts > to back up what he's trying to sell you. :-) > > Unc You know there is someone with a similiar story to your friend, Lawson, in my area. Indian Professor - spent some time with Maharishi, sat on the stage with him at a few conferences etc. Was taught meditation by his Guru. We used to have him give advanced lectures sometimes. I asked him if he asked Maharishi if he should change over to TM. Maharishi told him to keep doing what he was doing. That was very telling to me. Things are often less rigid than we think they are. Studied sanskrit with him for a while, long before it was popular in the movement... JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pictures of my dogs and big ass lizard returns
Lovely dogs, fine enrgies.Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are pictures of my dogs Pete!, Sophie, and Goldie. Pete! and Goldie are both rescue dogs. We got Pete! about 7 years ago. He's nine now. Sophie is a smart little corgie age 4. And Goldie is 3 and barely connected to the planet. We rescued her the day before she was going to be put down. The last picture is Cuban Joe, the big ass lizard that now seems to live in a tree in our front yard. > > > > total download June13 135 > total download June13 142 > total download June13 241 > total download June13 246 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > No, that's exactly what I mean, giving up the possibility of making a > > judgement, or only the enlightened ones can judge (and they do). After > > 20 or 30 years on the path maturity means deciding for oneself. Ever > > notice that quite a few people have made their most signifcant > > progress after leaving Maharishi - Amber Terrel, Susan Segal, all the > > beakaway folks, SSRS etc... Maybe it's just growing up. Son becomes a > > father, Student becomes a teacher. It happens. > > Actually, if you look at many of the supposedly-enlightened > people in history, the trend repeats. It's not as if Christ > was exactly toeing the Jewish party line, or that Buddha > had a "master" who "gave" him enlightenment. It's the ones > who learned to think for themselves who often seem to have > been the ones to learn how to stop thinking. :-) > > Unc Yup - but it's blasphamy ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/13/05 3:31 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > It is my opinion that there was never any possibility of > > "course correction" happening as a result of external > > feedback to Maharishi. Same thing in the Rama trip. But > > in other organizations I've seen, it happens all the time, > > and the teachers are grateful for any useful information. > > There were a few people from whom Maharishi allowed that sort of feedback - > Vernon Katz was one. Or if someone were advising him in an area of their > expertise. And Maharishi did usually solicit everyone's opinions and hash > things out with groups. But this was never with regard to his own personal > conduct - only with regard to ideas and plans. Somehow I missed this "course correction" idea earlier. It's a good map to think about the folks who made big leaps in development after leaving the TMO. (Yes, Peter I know... realization...) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
> > Ever notice that some of the biggest Maharishi funda- > > mentalists, like someone we know, have never even met > > him or been in the same room with him, after 30 years > > or more of meditating? For such people, the *idea* > > of Maharishi is more important than the reality. > > And so? We like our myths. More than we like reality. > > Maybe > > some people finally make progress when they drop the > > ideas they've been clinging to and deal with everyday > > reality. > > Or not. Sometimes denial can be a GOOD thing. If what you want out of life is to live in denial, I guess so. Some have different aspirations. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The story of Anoop CHandola hearing from the Shankaracharya of the > North that MMY was his first choice to be his sucessor is Chandola's > own story. And completely irrelevant to reality. :-) It's a "See...somebody 'important' thinks Maharishi is cool" story, like trotting out stories of how Larry King still thinks well of him, as if that settles things. > He never learned official "TM." He learned meditation from > Swami Shantananda Shankaracharya,as did his family. The local TM > center always invited him to all functions, however. > > Joyce Weaver's story about Satchananda squishing a bug was a first- > hand account as far as I know. Ditto with MMY yelling at some > workers. Virginia Duncan, whom I *think* was the one who told it to > me, was on one of the earliest TTCs in India. And equally irrelevant to reality. The stories "mean" something only to people who believe they "mean" something. Stories are sometimes used to inspire. Sometimes they are used as a club, as someone tells a story that "means" something to someone else, to get them to shut up and believe the things that they want you to believe. Look at the use of "storytelling" in modern politics. The minute Bush starts telling a story about "Gladys Filch, who lived in Bumfuck, Iowa, and who..." you *know* he's trying to sell you something, and doesn't have any facts to back up what he's trying to sell you. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Deciding for *oneself*. Telling people that what they believe is > > plain wrong, based on your OWN beliefs, isn't deciding for oneself: > > its deciding for the OTHER person, also. > > That's not what most people here are saying. That's > what you're hearing. > > > Notice that some people never felt they were "with" Maharishi and > > make their own progress with or without making a big deal of > whether > > or not they are "with" him? > > Ever notice that some of the biggest Maharishi funda- > mentalists, like someone we know, have never even met > him or been in the same room with him, after 30 years > or more of meditating? For such people, the *idea* > of Maharishi is more important than the reality. And so? We like our myths. Maybe > some people finally make progress when they drop the > ideas they've been clinging to and deal with everyday > reality. > Or not. Sometimes denial can be a GOOD thing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deciding for *oneself*. Telling people that what they believe is > plain wrong, based on your OWN beliefs, isn't deciding for oneself: > its deciding for the OTHER person, also. That's not what most people here are saying. That's what you're hearing. > Notice that some people never felt they were "with" Maharishi and > make their own progress with or without making a big deal of whether > or not they are "with" him? Ever notice that some of the biggest Maharishi funda- mentalists, like someone we know, have never even met him or been in the same room with him, after 30 years or more of meditating? For such people, the *idea* of Maharishi is more important than the reality. Maybe some people finally make progress when they drop the ideas they've been clinging to and deal with everyday reality. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, that's exactly what I mean, giving up the possibility of making a > judgement, or only the enlightened ones can judge (and they do). After > 20 or 30 years on the path maturity means deciding for oneself. Ever > notice that quite a few people have made their most signifcant > progress after leaving Maharishi - Amber Terrel, Susan Segal, all the > beakaway folks, SSRS etc... Maybe it's just growing up. Son becomes a > father, Student becomes a teacher. It happens. Actually, if you look at many of the supposedly-enlightened people in history, the trend repeats. It's not as if Christ was exactly toeing the Jewish party line, or that Buddha had a "master" who "gave" him enlightenment. It's the ones who learned to think for themselves who often seem to have been the ones to learn how to stop thinking. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some > > > > Fundamentalist Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha > > > > > > ... which implies that you reckon he isn't. Have you put > > > Thierry Meyssan's name into Google? > > > > I reserve judgement on the demonic thang and the uber-conspiracy > thang. > > > > I *DO* believe that GW Bush has had one important flash of self- > > insight in his entire life, and has been running off of that ever > > since. > > "My Daddy is rich...I can get away with anything." OK, TWO flashes of insight: "Daddy is rich, I can get away with anything." and "God loves me." It's a pretty nasty combo. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When it comes to TM dogma, definitely. When it comes > > > to individual stories, many are perfectly true. Some > > > are not. Either way, to me, they're just stories, man. > > > You seem to be expecting me to react to them as if > > > they were something more. > > > > I wasn't talking about dogma. I was talking about specific stories > > that you appeared tob e saying were scripted. > > Some of the stories *are* scripted, Lawson. They > are told to prospective teachers on TTC and repeated > almost verbatim, as if they were catechism, once they > become teachers. One rather important example pops > to mind -- the story of Trotaka. It's a sweet story > and all, but if you analyze its intent, it is to > praise the value of always mindlessly doing exactly > what the teacher says, and how that's better than > other paths. > > The "individual stories" that other people tell, from > their own experience, are just that, individual stories. > They "mean" whatever they mean to the storyteller. My > point is simply that such stories are often used as > thought-stoppers, the way a couple of them have been > used here lately. Sorta like, "Well listen to *this* > story...are you not convinced that Maharishi is > get after hearing that one?" :-) > > Unc The story of Anoop CHandola hearing from the Shankaracharya of the North that MMY was his first choice to be his sucessor is Chandola's own story. He never learned official "TM." He learned meditation from Swami Shantananda Shankaracharya,as did his family. The local TM center always invited him to all functions, however. Joyce Weaver's story about Satchananda squishing a bug was a first- hand account as far as I know. Ditto with MMY yelling at some workers. Virginia Duncan, whom I *think* was the one who told it to me, was on one of the earliest TTCs in India. I've heard plenty of Movement-variant stories that sound like they came from INdries Shaw's Tales of the Sufi. I've heard MMY himself repeat a few. He's never claimed they were about him, only about "some sage." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
> > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some > > > Fundamentalist Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha > > > > ... which implies that you reckon he isn't. Have you put > > Thierry Meyssan's name into Google? > > I reserve judgement on the demonic thang and the uber-conspiracy thang. > > I *DO* believe that GW Bush has had one important flash of self- > insight in his entire life, and has been running off of that ever > since. "My Daddy is rich...I can get away with anything." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
> > > > Actually, the whole group here comes across as a bunch > > > > fundamentalists turned atheists. > > > > > > Close. I'd say I'm a fundamentalist turned agnostic. > > > > I'm a fundamentalist turned Buddhist, which some > > confuse with atheism. > > So what did the BUddha say about Buddhism? Probably about the same thing that Marx said about Marxism. There was no '-ism' until they had lived their lives and taught what they had to teach, Buddha on his path, Groucho on his... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When it comes to TM dogma, definitely. When it comes > > to individual stories, many are perfectly true. Some > > are not. Either way, to me, they're just stories, man. > > You seem to be expecting me to react to them as if > > they were something more. > > I wasn't talking about dogma. I was talking about specific stories > that you appeared tob e saying were scripted. Some of the stories *are* scripted, Lawson. They are told to prospective teachers on TTC and repeated almost verbatim, as if they were catechism, once they become teachers. One rather important example pops to mind -- the story of Trotaka. It's a sweet story and all, but if you analyze its intent, it is to praise the value of always mindlessly doing exactly what the teacher says, and how that's better than other paths. The "individual stories" that other people tell, from their own experience, are just that, individual stories. They "mean" whatever they mean to the storyteller. My point is simply that such stories are often used as thought-stoppers, the way a couple of them have been used here lately. Sorta like, "Well listen to *this* story...are you not convinced that Maharishi is get after hearing that one?" :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Rotating University tour of N. America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > The MMY fetish tour! > > > > MMY said that pilgrimages might eventually become part of his > > teachings... > > You'll notice, however, that these are all pilgrimages > to places HE has been, and where HE did "important > things." To be fair, I doubt this was his idea, but > it is an indicator of how much the TMO revolves around > the cult of Maharishi personally, not the ideas, not > the teaching, not Guru Dev. > > This strikes me as the kind of idea some blissninny > in the TMO cooked up to "show Maharishi how much we > revere him" so that the blissninny could get noticed > and praised by Maharishi one last time before he croaks. > > Unc That and making some more money... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/14/05 2:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Here's a story from someone with MMY in the late 60's in India. > > They were dealing with Indian vendors, and being Americans, were > > getting nowhere, quoted outrageous prices. MMY kept on telling them > > to negotiate a lower price. Finally in frustration they told MMY it > > was impossible. MMY asked them if they had tried hitting the vendor. > > They all were aghast. Hit the vendor? MMY said yes, slap him. So they > > did and they got the prices they were looking for! Love that story. > > Anyone ever hear this one before? > >> > > > > Never heard that one before. Is it traditional to slap Indian vendors > > during haggling? If so, than maybe its plausible. OTherwise... > > Otherwise what? M is one unconventional dude, in case you hadn't noticed. Yes, but the advice to hit someone would only make sense if vendors had a known reaction to being hit during haggling, or if MMY had some mystical intuition that hitting was the best thing to do in this case. I'm somewhat doubting the story simply because MMY usually does things out of the ordinary for some practical reason, even if I don't agree with the reasoning OR the hoped-for outcome. Yelling at lazy workmen is a time-honored tradition in most cultures. Hitting a vendor doesn't seem to be, but perhaps I'm wrong. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Rotating University tour of N. America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The MMY fetish tour! > > MMY said that pilgrimages might eventually become part of his > teachings... You'll notice, however, that these are all pilgrimages to places HE has been, and where HE did "important things." To be fair, I doubt this was his idea, but it is an indicator of how much the TMO revolves around the cult of Maharishi personally, not the ideas, not the teaching, not Guru Dev. This strikes me as the kind of idea some blissninny in the TMO cooked up to "show Maharishi how much we revere him" so that the blissninny could get noticed and praised by Maharishi one last time before he croaks. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > on 6/13/05 3:31 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > It is my opinion that there was never any possibility of > > "course correction" happening as a result of external > > feedback to Maharishi. Same thing in the Rama trip. But > > in other organizations I've seen, it happens all the time, > > and the teachers are grateful for any useful information. > > There were a few people from whom Maharishi allowed that sort of feedback - > Vernon Katz was one. Or if someone were advising him in an area of their > expertise. And Maharishi did usually solicit everyone's opinions and hash > things out with groups. But this was never with regard to his own personal > conduct - only with regard to ideas and plans. And when did MMY's personal conduct become subject of official debate within the TMO? Did someone say "Maharishi, you're having sex with too many girls?" DId someone say "You pick at your flowers too much?" How many times does personal behavior become subject to debate in a boardroom of a company unless its making national headlines? Please refer me to the headlines that would warrant this for the TMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes on 6/14/05 7:24 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't. Choice of my wife, and my choice to stay with her. Keep a small boat in the tool shed. And save your money so you can open a restaurant here. We have yagyas and homas every week. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes You know, Kirk, the place is going to sink or be flooded in your lifetime. Better get out while the getting's good. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
on 6/14/05 2:28 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Here's a story from someone with MMY in the late 60's in India. > They were dealing with Indian vendors, and being Americans, were > getting nowhere, quoted outrageous prices. MMY kept on telling them > to negotiate a lower price. Finally in frustration they told MMY it > was impossible. MMY asked them if they had tried hitting the vendor. > They all were aghast. Hit the vendor? MMY said yes, slap him. So they > did and they got the prices they were looking for! Love that story. > Anyone ever hear this one before? >> > > Never heard that one before. Is it traditional to slap Indian vendors > during haggling? If so, than maybe its plausible. OTherwise... Otherwise what? M is one unconventional dude, in case you hadn't noticed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Lenz -- Sex and Business Practices / Ethics
on 6/13/05 3:31 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > It is my opinion that there was never any possibility of > "course correction" happening as a result of external > feedback to Maharishi. Same thing in the Rama trip. But > in other organizations I've seen, it happens all the time, > and the teachers are grateful for any useful information. There were a few people from whom Maharishi allowed that sort of feedback - Vernon Katz was one. Or if someone were advising him in an area of their expertise. And Maharishi did usually solicit everyone's opinions and hash things out with groups. But this was never with regard to his own personal conduct - only with regard to ideas and plans. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] insanity verdict rare in Iowa
today's Des Moines Register: http://desmoinesregister.com "Sem 'was suffering from a serious psychiatric illness, which will require continuing treatment and medication in hope of controlling that illness,' Meadows' ruling said. Levi Butler, 19, was stabbed in the chest with a paring knife in the school's community dining room March 1, 2004, as horrified students looked on. Sem, a diagnosed schizophrenic, had earlier stabbed student John Killian on the right side of his face with a pen. The ruling means that Sem, who is from Pennsylvania, will undergo indefinite psychiatric treatment under state care rather than go to prison. He faced a mandatory life prison term for first-degree murder and assault with intent to inflict serious injury. Meadows ordered Sem taken to the Iowa Medical and Classification Center at Oakdale for evaluation. Sem will be held there until a judge determines he is no longer a danger to himself or the public. Legal authorities said the ruling was unusual because insanity verdicts are rare in Iowa. One exception is Loren Huss, the Des Moines man found insane in the 1986 brutal killing of Marilyn Sheets. He was released by a Polk County jury May 25 after about 19 years of confinement. (more at link) http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=/20050614/NEWS01/506140412/1001/RSS01 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Everything else is secondary...
"...But someday, not too long from now, you will gradually become the old and be cleared away. Sorry to be so dramatic, but it's quite true. Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma, which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice, heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary..." -- Steve Jobs, Standford Commencement, June 13, 2005 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pictures of my dogs and big ass lizard returns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > 1 english cocker spanial -Sam and 2 cats Marva and Faith > > - here - all rescues. > > 4 cats: > > http://207.177.51.213/kitties/ > > and lots of "presents": > > http://207.177.51.213/hork/ > > Alex Beautiful cats (aren't they the fiercest hunters?) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." > > > > > > > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering > > how > > > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > > > positions. > > > > > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have > > meant, > > > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement: > > > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to the immortality of > > the > > > image I have been creating of myself to the world.' > > > > > > Irmeli > > > > There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes > > Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric > > to mobilize the TM troops to do something. > > > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist > > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha. > > > Do you mean, that when somebody is criticizing issues you also feel > critical about, it is then positive? And when somebody is criticizing > assumptions, you have based your way of thinking on, and assumptions > you use as defence against unbearable inner anxiety, then the > criticism is VERY negative. > Well, of course. > People usually function like this. But human evolution means also at a > certain stage transcending this tendency, and being able to question > once own assumptions. Or at least allowing others to do it. That is > why democracy and the freedom of thought it brings, is so good and > beneficial for our further growth and evolution as societies and also > as individuals. > > Irmeli The USA doesn't have a democracy at the national level. Over 90% of all incumbants get reelected due to the way district lines are drawn. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Rotating University tour of N. America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The MMY fetish tour! > > > > MMY said that pilgrimages might eventually become part of his > teachings... Maharishi Tours ! (a common law servicemark...) > > > > George DeForest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > -- Original Message -- > > Received: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:52:18 AM PDT > > From: Development Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Good News! - Special Rotating University in U.S. and Canada > > > > > > Dear Maharishi University of Management Alumni and Friends, > > > > Maharishi University of Management is pleased to offer a special > Rotating University Course next fall for all Sidhas and Meditators. > Please read the description below and contact us with your interest. > Contact information is given at the bottom. > > > > DISCOVERING MAHARISHI'S AMERICA - THEN AND NOW: > > BRINGING THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE HIMALAYAS TO NORTH AMERICA - > September 1-26, 2005 - California and Canada To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." > > > > > > > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering > > how > > > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > > > positions. > > > > > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have > > meant, > > > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement: > > > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to the immortality of > > the > > > image I have been creating of myself to the world.' > > > > > > Irmeli > > > > There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes > > Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric > > to mobilize the TM troops to do something. > > > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist > > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha. > > I think that if fundementalist moslems start blowing themselves up in > our malls, all this pacifist stuff will disappper so fast it won't be > remembered. Then we'll get really mean. > Do you really think that fundementalist moslems were being raised in Iraq by Saddam? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It is clear from this account, directly by the Samhita of the > > > > > > Veda, that criticism of ones spiritual path, and of ones > > > > > > spiritual preceptor must be seen as a sin against the gods > > > > > > themselves, whom the preceptor represents. > > > > > > > > > > While I respect both you and your devotional approach > > > > > to spirituality, Michael, I think that you have come > > > > > to believe that scripture was written by God. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, you have no idea who wrote what when. For all we know, > > the > > > > NT is exaxtly as the Fundamentalists say. > > > > > > The problem with this point of view is that it discourages any > > > discrimination. It's always amazed me that the New Age tendency to > > > discourage judgement has turned into 'it's bad to judge'. It's > > > incredible that we have all this remarkable discriminative ability > > and > > > we not supposed to use it. I thought enlightenment was the > > the "crest > > > jewel of discrimination". > > > > > > > Actually, for all you know, all New Agers are correct. I'm not > > defending New Agers or the NT or MMY here, I'm only pointing out that > > the assumption that the Believers are wrong is a matter of Faith also. > > No, that's exactly what I mean, giving up the possibility of making a > judgement, or only the enlightened ones can judge (and they do). After > 20 or 30 years on the path maturity means deciding for oneself. Deciding for *oneself*. Telling people that what they believe is plain wrong, based on your OWN beliefs, isn't deciding for oneself: its deciding for the OTHER person, also. Ever > notice that quite a few people have made their most signifcant > progress after leaving Maharishi - Amber Terrel, Susan Segal, all the > beakaway folks, SSRS etc... Maybe it's just growing up. Son becomes a > father, Student becomes a teacher. It happens. > > JohnY Notice that some people never felt they were "with" Maharishi and make their own progress with or without making a big deal of whether or not they are "with" him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." > > > > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering > how > > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > > positions. > > > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have > meant, > > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement: > > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to the immortality of > the > > image I have been creating of myself to the world.' > > > > Irmeli > > There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes > Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric > to mobilize the TM troops to do something. > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha. Do you mean, that when somebody is criticizing issues you also feel critical about, it is then positive? And when somebody is criticizing assumptions, you have based your way of thinking on, and assumptions you use as defence against unbearable inner anxiety, then the criticism is VERY negative. People usually function like this. But human evolution means also at a certain stage transcending this tendency, and being able to question once own assumptions. Or at least allowing others to do it. That is why democracy and the freedom of thought it brings, is so good and beneficial for our further growth and evolution as societies and also as individuals. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." > > > > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering > how > > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > > positions. > > > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have > meant, > > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement: > > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to the immortality of > the > > image I have been creating of myself to the world.' > > > > Irmeli > > There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes > Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric > to mobilize the TM troops to do something. > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha. I think that if fundementalist moslems start blowing themselves up in our malls, all this pacifist stuff will disappper so fast it won't be remembered. Then we'll get really mean. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > It is clear from this account, directly by the Samhita of the > > > > > Veda, that criticism of ones spiritual path, and of ones > > > > > spiritual preceptor must be seen as a sin against the gods > > > > > themselves, whom the preceptor represents. > > > > > > > > While I respect both you and your devotional approach > > > > to spirituality, Michael, I think that you have come > > > > to believe that scripture was written by God. > > > > > > > > > > Actually, you have no idea who wrote what when. For all we know, > the > > > NT is exaxtly as the Fundamentalists say. > > > > The problem with this point of view is that it discourages any > > discrimination. It's always amazed me that the New Age tendency to > > discourage judgement has turned into 'it's bad to judge'. It's > > incredible that we have all this remarkable discriminative ability > and > > we not supposed to use it. I thought enlightenment was the > the "crest > > jewel of discrimination". > > > > Actually, for all you know, all New Agers are correct. I'm not > defending New Agers or the NT or MMY here, I'm only pointing out that > the assumption that the Believers are wrong is a matter of Faith also. No, that's exactly what I mean, giving up the possibility of making a judgement, or only the enlightened ones can judge (and they do). After 20 or 30 years on the path maturity means deciding for oneself. Ever notice that quite a few people have made their most signifcant progress after leaving Maharishi - Amber Terrel, Susan Segal, all the beakaway folks, SSRS etc... Maybe it's just growing up. Son becomes a father, Student becomes a teacher. It happens. JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Oops
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh shit, I hit delete. Could everyone please repeat your posts for the last two hours? I'll sum it up for you: You are full of shit. No! YOU are full of shit. Well that may be true but your reasoning is flawed. Impossible! I never reasoned in the first place. Exactly and that is the problem with you True Believers. It's better than believing in that nutcase you follow. Who said you can't be nuts AND enlightened? Well that's not what it says in the Huda Veda. Huda Veda? Thats not part of the Pradrantric tradition anyway. Yes it is. No it isn't. Repeat three times and rinse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes on 6/14/05 7:19 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been here since I left MIU - fifteen years. I gave some TM lectures there in about 1988 or ‘89. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pictures of my dogs and big ass lizard returns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1 english cocker spanial -Sam and 2 cats Marva and Faith > - here - all rescues. 4 cats: http://207.177.51.213/kitties/ and lots of "presents": http://207.177.51.213/hork/ Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pictures of my dogs and big ass lizard returns
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here are pictures of my dogs Pete!, Sophie, and Goldie. Pete! and Goldie are both rescue dogs. We got Pete! about 7 years ago. He's nine now. Sophie is a smart little corgie age 4. And Goldie is 3 and barely connected to the planet. We rescued her the day before she was going to be put down. The last picture is Cuban Joe, the big ass lizard that now seems to live in a tree in our front yard. I'll bet the dogs have a blast together, and Joe just came for the vibes. ;-) JohnY 1 english cocker spanial -Sam and 2 cats Marva and Faith - here - all rescues. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can't. Choice of my wife, and my choice to stay with her. > or don't sweat it... the SF Bay Area is full of spiritual groups of every stripe, and a couple of really active TM centers. I don't bother with any of it. Why bother? Does your wife meditate with you? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > There was a "board of review"? Maybe now, I have heard > > > > everything. > > > > Of course books and the ideas that they stimulate are very very > > > > dangerous... (and they want kings?) > > > > > > This was at the L.A. Center, which at the time > > > cohabitated with National in Pacific Palisades. > > > It was just a group of TM teachers who got together > > > monthly or so to pass judgment (literally) on those > > > who wanted to go to courses. Longer residence > > > courses, TTC, and ATR. They had the authority to > > > make or not make the recommendation that would get > > > the person on the course or prevent them from > > > attending. > > > > > > What is the saying? Power corrupts, but controlling > > > access to the Absolute corrupts absolutely? > > > > I must have been really special ;) I couln't even get on a 4 day > > residence course (Although they did take the 6 people that I > > rcommended and sent.) > > It was the books on your bookshelf, man. If you > had just hidden them away, you could've gone on > any of the courses. :-) > > Unc Still got the bookshelf(s), but I did tell national when they wanted me to go on the DC course acceptance first then money (they had a tendency to keep fees paid in advance). By then they were OK with that...my warm body and $$ were more important than the blacklist by then. BTW, the regional Sidhi's refresher here in the mid-atlantic last week had 10 participants at $75 and I imagine that the advanced techniques at $3000 drew 0 although I didn't hear numbers on that. JohnY PS. Has any recert fulltimer recieved a check yet? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
I can't. Choice of my wife, and my choice to stay with her. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes You know, Kirk, the place is going to sink or be flooded in your lifetime.Better get out while the getting's good.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
It is said that there are still Japanese soldiers fighting WWII on remote Pacific islands because nobody has told themthe war is over. Maybe there are TM teachers in New Orleanswho are sufficiently out of touch with the Movement to have in their possession nothing more recent than a twenty year old price list. Set them up in business.Anyway, you've always got Dr John.Uns. -The only local teacher who has been teaching for many years has had no contact with the Movement since the seventies. He sells vitamins. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes I'm not talking about spiritual people per se. There's a number of Buddhhist groups. But there's no real shakti peeth here. No real Bhakti per se. Nobody to do homam, yajnas, etc... I, ah never mind. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes on 6/14/05 6:23 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed.Surely there are spiritual people there, as there are everywhere (although there are more some places than others). My wife and I gave TM lectures there when we were doing Public Awareness Campaigns. There must be New Age bookstores or health food stores where you would find posters pertaining to various spiritual groups, or one of those avante garde newspapers that would list information. Im surprised Karunamayi doesnt come there ( http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2005US.shtml) Shes here in Fairfield right now and I had a wonderful blessing from her today. Maybe you could invite her to come and help organize it. To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes
I've been here since I left MIU - fifteen years. - Original Message - From: Robert Gimbel To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes Are you really the only meditator in New Orleans? The last time I was there, I had to dodge a cinder block in the middle of the expresswy downtown. Just be careful when you're there. It is an interesting place for sure; but with a lot of weird karma; after all many of the shops and resturants there, used to be used for slave sales. That was then and this is now, Good luck New Orleans!Llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Discover Yahoo!Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ..move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only > > meditator here. I really want to get some meditators... > > Anyway, you've always got Dr John. ...and Professor Longhair. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I > really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami > Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we > could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just > no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed. It is said that there are still Japanese soldiers fighting WWII on remote Pacific islands because nobody has told them the war is over. Maybe there are TM teachers in New Orleans who are sufficiently out of touch with the Movement to have in their possession nothing more recent than a twenty year old price list. Set them up in business. Anyway, you've always got Dr John. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
You know, Kirk, the place is going to sink or be flooded in your lifetime. Better get out while the getting's good. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes on 6/14/05 6:23 PM, Llundrub at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed. Surely there are spiritual people there, as there are everywhere (although there are more some places than others). My wife and I gave TM lectures there when we were doing Public Awareness Campaigns. There must be New Age bookstores or health food stores where you would find posters pertaining to various spiritual groups, or one of those avante garde newspapers that would list information. I’m surprised Karunamayi doesn’t come there ( http://www.karunamayi.org/tour/2005US.shtml) She’s here in Fairfield right now and I had a wonderful blessing from her today. Maybe you could invite her to come and help organize it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Can some of you assholes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes
Are you really the only meditator in New Orleans? The last time I was there, I had to dodge a cinder block in the middle of the expresswy downtown. Just be careful when you're there. It is an interesting place for sure; but with a lot of weird karma; after all many of the shops and resturants there, used to be used for slave sales. That was then and this is now, Good luck New Orleans!Llundrub <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Discover Yahoo! Use Yahoo! to plan a weekend, have fun online & more. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > I *DO* believe that GW Bush has had one important flash of self- > > > insight in his entire life, and has been running off of that ever > > > since. > > > > WOW! Tell us what it is !!! It's well past my bedtime, but > > I'll make a mug of cocoa and stay up a short while. > > Uns. > > He converted to Christianity as a "Born Again," repented of his > sins, and started abstaining from booze. He's never re-examined his > beliefs since. Crickey. I wonder if he has seen the Fr. Adrian Smith booklet or come across the "Jesus Prayer" meditation technique. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Can some of you assholes
Move to New Orleans? I'm tired of being the only meditator here. I really want to get some meditators out here and invite Swami Satyananda and Shree Ma to do Chandi Path, or Rudrabhisheka. Or we could just chant Om Namah Shivaya all night 2x a month. There's just no bhakti in this freaking town. I'm bummed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
The time is not yet ripe to reveal my knowledge.sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> "Hoard" is the appropriate term to describe what MMY does with the monies he exploits from suckers in the West. We're his little piggies that he fattens-up with sweet words and promises of pundits and other enlightenment trickets and then squeezes the cash out of. Man, do we have some weird shit karma with MMY! The samskaras are dropping like flies.So MMY is an ant to your grasshopper?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Discover Yahoo! Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for the weekend. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha > > > > > > ... which implies that you reckon he isn't. Have you put > > > Thierry Meyssan's name into Google? > > > > I reserve judgement on the demonic thang and the > > uber-conspiracy thang. > > I *DO* believe that GW Bush has had one important flash of self- > > insight in his entire life, and has been running off of that ever > > since. > > WOW! Tell us what it is !!! It's well past my bedtime, but > I'll make a mug of cocoa and stay up a short while. > Uns. He converted to Christianity as a "Born Again," repented of his sins, and started abstaining from booze. He's never re-examined his beliefs since. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Devi Mandir Podcasts
Cool guy. Had heard of him but never seen the pic. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Devi Mandir Podcasts Don't miss:http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/totapuri.htmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha > > > > ... which implies that you reckon he isn't. Have you put > > Thierry Meyssan's name into Google? > > I reserve judgement on the demonic thang and the > uber-conspiracy thang. > I *DO* believe that GW Bush has had one important flash of self- > insight in his entire life, and has been running off of that ever > since. WOW! Tell us what it is !!! It's well past my bedtime, but I'll make a mug of cocoa and stay up a short while. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes > > Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric > > to mobilize the TM troops to do something. > > > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist > > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha > > ... which implies that you reckon he isn't. Have you put > Thierry Meyssan's name into Google? I reserve judgement on the demonic thang and the uber-conspiracy thang. I *DO* believe that GW Bush has had one important flash of self- insight in his entire life, and has been running off of that ever since. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ..Likewise, the fact that his nephew controls the purse- > > strings in India is only important if his nephew is untrustworthy. > > One assumes that MMY chose a relative specifically because he thought > > he WAS trustworthy > > of course, the Mafia choose family for reasons of personal > loyalty, not that I am suggesting anything at all, at all. > I would rather have seen the word "competent" being seen > as appropriate instead of "trustworthy". The TMO needs an > injection of a great deal of raw, almost vulgar, competence, > and competence for competence's sake. > Uns. So we need an influx of competence ala CHopra? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Hoard" is the appropriate term to describe what MMY does with the monies he exploits from suckers in the West. We're his little piggies that he fattens-up with sweet words and promises of pundits and other enlightenment trickets and then squeezes the cash out of. Man, do we have some weird shit karma with MMY! The samskaras are dropping like flies. So MMY is an ant to your grasshopper? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > But... Are you saying that each and everyone of the people I dealt > > > with was making things up or repeating a verbatum script? > > > > When it comes to TM dogma, definitely. > > That wasn't clear. I meant, "When it comes to TM dogma, > definitely they are repeating a verbatim script. > I'm aware of that. Often complete with hand gestures and body language. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > sparaig wrote: > > > > > > Actually, the whole group here comes across as a bunch > > > fundamentalists turned atheists. > > > > Close. I'd say I'm a fundamentalist turned agnostic. > > I'm a fundamentalist turned Buddhist, which some > confuse with atheism. > So what did the BUddha say about Buddhism? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But... Are you saying that each and everyone of the people I dealt > > with was making things up or repeating a verbatum script? > > When it comes to TM dogma, definitely. When it comes > to individual stories, many are perfectly true. Some > are not. Either way, to me, they're just stories, man. > You seem to be expecting me to react to them as if > they were something more. > I wasn't talking about dogma. I was talking about specific stories that you appeared tob e saying were scripted. I know Joyce Weaver. I know how she teaches TM and how she presents memorized/scripted materials. Her description of Satchananda squishing a bug in her class was a lot more than just him squishing a bug. It certainly came across as a personal story, not as something scripted. She was never that gifted an actress, at least judging by how she presented the official TM stuff. Anoop CHandola's description of meeting with Swami Shantananda, learning meditation from him and asking him about Maharishi is another personal account. I just got off the phone with him (he recently had a severe illness that he is still recovering from so anyone that knows Chandola personally might want to call and say hi). I verified the stories Dr. CHandola told me and was given assurances of a magnitude I'd never heard before. Yes this was in confidence, and no, I'm pledged not to reveal it so even in email you won't get more, but anyone who knocks or questions MMY's stature in the Shankaracharya tradition through Gurudev is a fool, plain and simple. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes > Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric > to mobilize the TM troops to do something. > > BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist > Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha ... which implies that you reckon he isn't. Have you put Thierry Meyssan's name into Google? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM Rotating University tour of N. America
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The MMY fetish tour! > MMY said that pilgrimages might eventually become part of his teachings... > George DeForest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -- Original Message -- > Received: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:52:18 AM PDT > From: Development Office <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Good News! - Special Rotating University in U.S. and Canada > > > Dear Maharishi University of Management Alumni and Friends, > > Maharishi University of Management is pleased to offer a special Rotating University Course next fall for all Sidhas and Meditators. Please read the description below and contact us with your interest. Contact information is given at the bottom. > > DISCOVERING MAHARISHI'S AMERICA - THEN AND NOW: > BRINGING THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE HIMALAYAS TO NORTH AMERICA - September 1-26, 2005 - California and Canada To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ..Likewise, the fact that his nephew controls the purse- > strings in India is only important if his nephew is untrustworthy. > One assumes that MMY chose a relative specifically because he thought > he WAS trustworthy of course, the Mafia choose family for reasons of personal loyalty, not that I am suggesting anything at all, at all. I would rather have seen the word "competent" being seen as appropriate instead of "trustworthy". The TMO needs an injection of a great deal of raw, almost vulgar, competence, and competence for competence's sake. Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
"Hoard" is the appropriate term to describe what MMY does with the monies he exploits from suckers in the West. We're his little piggies that he fattens-up with sweet words and promises of pundits and other enlightenment trickets and then squeezes the cash out of. Man, do we have some weird shit karma with MMY! The samskaras are dropping like flies.sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> The money goes to MMY's financial holdings in India run by members of his family. It is not donated to the poor. That is a crack induced fantasy.That the money is handled by MMY's family isn't surprising, given that this is India. Why do you say that none of it is used in a charitable way? ("donating to the poor" certainly isn't a Hindu concept, I'll agree, and generally isn't the best way to describe what the TMO does with their cash)> > lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > wrote:> > Oh, I'm sorry. Lups isn't smoking crack, t3rinity is!> > > > t3rinity wrote:snip> > > > Yeah, but just a big assumption and judgement. E.g. Maharishi
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering how > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > positions. > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have meant, > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement: > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to the immortality of the > image I have been creating of myself to the world.' > > Irmeli There's criticism and then there's criticism. When MMY criticizes Bush, I see him as blowing into the conch-shell of political rhetoric to mobilize the TM troops to do something. BTW, an amazing number of Americans, including some Fundamentalist Christians, DO believe that GW is a Rakshasha. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > On Jun 14, 2005, at 12:35 PM, Llundrub wrote: > > > > > > > > I assume that they actually experienced what they were talking > about, > > > and which can be still experienced by anybody today. This whole > > > approach rests on a transfer of spiritual knowledge from teacher > to > > > student, which is so essential in Tantra - for which the Atharva > Veda > > > is the direct ancester btw. > > > > > > -The Atharva Veda is the most tantric Veda, but it isn't > the > > > predecessor of tantra. In all Yajnas a representative of each > Veda > > > participates. > > > > It's interesting Lhund, when we see someones response like > Trinity's > > above, it's clear they already bought into the trend of > Vaishnaivism in > > Hinduism since the middles age (in general) and the puritanical > > component in Hinduism that has risen since the British brought > > Christianity and Theosophy to the fore (in particular)-- > > Gosh, I forgot, one more conspiration theory. The British are > responsible for Hinduism as we know it today. In reality - as per > your confused and misguided opinion - the whole Vedanta is dravidian, > yeah, I forgot. Don't know about the last part, but the British certainlyhad a great deal of influence on modern Indian society and culture and how the Vedic tradition is interpreted by many INdians. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's not Spiritual to discriminate! Was: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > It is clear from this account, directly by the Samhita of the > > > > Veda, that criticism of ones spiritual path, and of ones > > > > spiritual preceptor must be seen as a sin against the gods > > > > themselves, whom the preceptor represents. > > > > > > While I respect both you and your devotional approach > > > to spirituality, Michael, I think that you have come > > > to believe that scripture was written by God. > > > > > > > Actually, you have no idea who wrote what when. For all we know, the > > NT is exaxtly as the Fundamentalists say. > > The problem with this point of view is that it discourages any > discrimination. It's always amazed me that the New Age tendency to > discourage judgement has turned into 'it's bad to judge'. It's > incredible that we have all this remarkable discriminative ability and > we not supposed to use it. I thought enlightenment was the the "crest > jewel of discrimination". > Actually, for all you know, all New Agers are correct. I'm not defending New Agers or the NT or MMY here, I'm only pointing out that the assumption that the Believers are wrong is a matter of Faith also. It may make more sense for the skeptic for him to be skeptical, but except in matters of obvious fact, there's little point in arguing about how stupid a belief is merely because you have an opposing belief. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > sparaig wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > [...] > > > > Now, now. DOn't let the facts get in the way of the hate- fest... > > > > > > I don't think that there is hate here. People are just trying to > > > understand what's going on. No need to charge up the retoric. > > > Criticism sure, dislike sure, hate-fest, I doubt it. > > > > > > > I see it a bit differently. Every time a negative story about MMY is > > recounted, there's a crowd of people here who automatically accept it > > as true. These same people automatically doubt or reject outright any > > positive story. > > > > Indeed, very much my observation as well. I find it especially > entertaining to see how creative some can be when wrapping up their > garbage in newspaper soaked in sugar water. My own belief is that MMY is human, and has made many mistakes in his life, both personal and organizational. Did he sleep with some women? It seems doubtful, but unless people are claiming that he coerced them in some way, its nobody's business but theirs. Likewise, the fact that his nephew controls the purse- strings in India is only important if his nephew is untrustworthy. One assumes that MMY chose a relative specifically because he thought he WAS trustworthy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
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[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sparaig wrote: > > > > Actually, the whole group here comes across as a bunch > > fundamentalists turned atheists. > > Close. I'd say I'm a fundamentalist turned agnostic. > > I still believe most of what Maharishi taught. > But I feel free to question it all. > > The irony I'm enjoying here, Lawson, is that Jon > Levy threw you off the old TM List for asking the > very sort of pointed questions that get bandied > about with impunity here on Fairfield Life. > There's questioning and then there's assuming its all true simply because its negative. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Spraig is on Prozac. End of story. > Yep. > > - Original Message - > From: jim_flanegin > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:19 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05 > > You should welcome these challenges to your belief system. Otherwise > where is the world, the diversity of the world, the joy in the world, > the challenges and endless puzzles, the expansion? line across stone, > sand or water? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hiroshi Nakada - odd role model for TMO
"He is good at involving citizens, mobilizing the press, and using expert advisers.' He is 'good at making officials come up with ideas' instead of simply telling them to change." http://www.globalgoodnews.com/government-news-a.html? art=111859970913906849 Odd that Global Good News sings his praises when MMY and his TMO operate at the OPPOSITE pole of the spectrum! If only they followed some of his good example... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Devi Mandir Podcasts
Don't miss: http://www.angelfire.com/realm/bodhisattva/totapuri.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> wrote:> What about the part about Creole seasoning. Was that right or wrong?Don't get it, so I can't say. :-)I don't get it either ;)To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
> Hi Unc > > I and my husband are visiting Paris 13.-16.07. > Could we meet you at some place there? > > Irmeli I'm not completely certain I'll be here on those days in July, but if I am that'd be great. I won't know my final schedule for a couple of more weeks. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think that all we are saying, Trin, is that some > of us do not believe that tradition is all it's > cracked up to be. > > Just as some of it in politics or social structures > was intended to limit, not expand, some of it in > spiritual traditions was intended to limit, not > expand. > > Unc Hi Unc I and my husband are visiting Paris 13.-16.07. Could we meet you at some place there? Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Devi Mandir Podcasts
Thanks. I downloaded those videos of Om Namah Shivaya and so on. They are really heavy. There are many Jyotir lingas in those. Great darshan. Good idea. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Devi Mandir Podcasts Someone from Shree Maa's ashram sent me this:hey Rick, here's the feed to the Devi Mandir Podcasts -- there's lots andlots of audio and video to come from all that we've recorded over the past few years --you'll enjoy, pass itonfeed:http://feeds.feedburner.com/devnathinstructions:http://devnath.typepad.com/devi_mandirpodcast website:http://devnath.typepad.com/use iPodder for now -- iTunes 4.9 will have podcasting built in, and willhandle video too -- there's tres cool stuff for micro broadcasting and publish/subscribecontent distributionare you in the bay area now with Amma?Jai MaaJai GuruTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What about the part about Creole seasoning. Was that right or wrong? Don't get it, so I can't say. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
> > > There was a "board of review"? Maybe now, I have heard > > > everything. > > > Of course books and the ideas that they stimulate are very very > > > dangerous... (and they want kings?) > > > > This was at the L.A. Center, which at the time > > cohabitated with National in Pacific Palisades. > > It was just a group of TM teachers who got together > > monthly or so to pass judgment (literally) on those > > who wanted to go to courses. Longer residence > > courses, TTC, and ATR. They had the authority to > > make or not make the recommendation that would get > > the person on the course or prevent them from > > attending. > > > > What is the saying? Power corrupts, but controlling > > access to the Absolute corrupts absolutely? > > I must have been really special ;) I couln't even get on a 4 day > residence course (Although they did take the 6 people that I > rcommended and sent.) It was the books on your bookshelf, man. If you had just hidden them away, you could've gone on any of the courses. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > > But I see the statement revealing his subconscious motives. > > Which is a stretch, because it is the only thing that could be > expected from him traditionally. I think that all we are saying, Trin, is that some of us do not believe that tradition is all it's cracked up to be. Just as some of it in politics or social structures was intended to limit, not expand, some of it in spiritual traditions was intended to limit, not expand. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But... Are you saying that each and everyone of the people I dealt > > with was making things up or repeating a verbatum script? > > When it comes to TM dogma, definitely. That wasn't clear. I meant, "When it comes to TM dogma, definitely they are repeating a verbatim script. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
What about the part about Creole seasoning. Was that right or wrong? - Original Message - From: TurquoiseB To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 3:39 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]...> > ---Coming from someone who doesn't even meditate John, that's a laugh. Here you are a self professed Mormon, who takes his nickname from a Creole seasoning, and then you charge in all indignant. Honestly, what I hear in your voice is alot of braying, but no especial expertise. If you're a bhakta then just be it. Don't expect the more knowledgable of us to be cowed by your whining.Wrong person, Llun. And some of your facts are wrongabout the person you're thinking of. It's sorta likethe confusing Swami Rama and Rama-Frederick Lenz thang,apples and kiwis.UncTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Irmeli: My conceptual > > framework is actually modern psychology. I have studied very little > > of the eastern traditions. In the guru relationship I actually see > > the child/parent relationship put on stage, to be able to as an > adult > > to go through the incomplete and stagnated individualization > process > > of a child. t3rinity: > It has many components. The Bhagavatam counts nine different > relationship to ones spritual preceptor, child/parent being one of > them. It also can be friend, Lover, master, or even you are the parent > and god is the child. Anandamayi Ma used to call herself 'your child'. > Whatever it is, it needs to be deep in order to be transformative, and > I doubt if western psychology is the ideal tool to determine it.You > would judge it from a wrong and incomplete perspective, even though it > may play its role sometimes. > > So, easily people get carried away, not really knowing or > understanding the background of something, and condemning it. Irmeli: I wouldn't call it being carried away if I express my understanding of guru relationship and of the possible abuse of that relationship. It is not condemning,it is discussing, being in a dialogue. If somebody disagrees, he can express his understanding of the topic and that way help me understand better the nuances. I appreciate very high the freedom of thought as long as its purpose is to express one's true understanding even if it might be limited. Irmeli > therefore. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More pictures
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I vote for more pictures. What's a soap opera (Novella?) > > without pictures? So, let's start downloading! > > ..or rather, uploading. (There's no harm in a little > pedantry once in a while). > Uns. True. Upload, download - let's just get some mugs so we know who we're talkin' to, huh? Am I talkin' to you? Yeah, I'm talkin'to all ah yas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -Fuck Trinity, he's an a.m.t. dope. The only thing he'll > ever cognize is the inside of his asshole. > > -My bad, can I retract this? That's the true majesty of evolution and free will, Llun. Any of us can extract our heads from our asses anytime we want to. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Why were you blacklisted for that? You placed an article in > > > > front of his title...h? > > > > > > Hey, even given sparaig's tendency to believe in > > > things like the CIA stalking Maharishi, weirder > > > shit has happened. In L.A. I saw iniators turned > > > down for ATR courses because they had books on > > > their bookshelves that the "board of review" con- > > > sidered "off the program." The kicker was that I > > > had been to the houses of the teachers on that > > > "board of review," and the same books were on all > > > their bookshelves. Total hypocrisy and tyranny, > > > all done in the name of "purity of the teaching." > > > > There was a "board of review"? Maybe now, I have heard everything. > > Of course books and the ideas that they stimulate are very very > > dangerous... (and they want kings?) > > This was at the L.A. Center, which at the time > cohabitated with National in Pacific Palisades. > It was just a group of TM teachers who got together > monthly or so to pass judgment (literally) on those > who wanted to go to courses. Longer residence > courses, TTC, and ATR. They had the authority to > make or not make the recommendation that would get > the person on the course or prevent them from > attending. > > What is the saying? Power corrupts, but controlling > access to the Absolute corrupts absolutely? > > Unc I must have been really special ;) I couln't even get on a 4 day residence course (Although they did take the 6 people that I rcommended and sent.) JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > But I see the statement revealing his subconscious motives. Which is a stretch, because it is the only thing that could be expected from him traditionally. > Btw it is a lovely summer evening now here in Finland. I'm sitting > outdoors on the veranda in the city and listenening to a nightingale > singing very loudly nearby.The lilacs are in full blossom and > spreading their fragrance. It is 11.20 pm and still light, even if > the half moon can be seen on the sky already clearly. Nice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Devi Mandir Podcasts
Someone from Shree Maa's ashram sent me this: hey Rick, here's the feed to the Devi Mandir Podcasts -- there's lots and lots of audio and video to come from all that we've recorded over the past few years -- you'll enjoy, pass it on feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/devnath instructions: http://devnath.typepad.com/devi_mandir podcast website: http://devnath.typepad.com/ use iPodder for now -- iTunes 4.9 will have podcasting built in, and will handle video too -- there's tres cool stuff for micro broadcasting and publish/subscribe content distribution are you in the bay area now with Amma? Jai Maa Jai Guru To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > - --Coming from someone who doesn't even meditate John, that's a laugh. Here you are a self professed Mormon, who takes his nickname from a Creole seasoning, and then you charge in all indignant. Honestly, what I hear in your voice is alot of braying, but no especial expertise. If you're a bhakta then just be it. Don't expect the more knowledgable of us to be cowed by your whining. Wrong person, Llun. And some of your facts are wrong about the person you're thinking of. It's sorta like the confusing Swami Rama and Rama-Frederick Lenz thang, apples and kiwis. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > t3rinity: > > Phew, you put it all in one basket don't you? 'Religion and holy man > > have a long and impressive track record of atrocities.' You are > > seriously mixing up political power with spirituality. No doubt, > > religion was often misused, but the way you deal with it you throw > out > > the baby with the bathwater. What about saints? Do they also have a > > long history of atrocities? > > Irmeli: Not the real saints. Rather beings who have claimed to be > saints or holy men and have had cravings for power. People should be > very cautious with people, who claim themselves to be saints and they > have needs to position of power inside an organization. > My intention was not to mix spirituality with religion and power. > Power in any organization is in no way different in quality from > political power. Okay. But its hard to judge who is a real saint from outside, right? > > t3rinity: But who is going to exercise control over them and from > which level of > > truth are you going to do it? In India *before* you choose a Guru, > not > > after, you are supposed to do this scrutinizing. Once you have > > convinced yourself that a Guru is real, you should surrender. It's > not > > that judgment isn't there. And of course you can still leave a Guru, > > out of several reasons. But it's another thing to put dirt on him or > > insult him after you left. For eaxmple, there was a long discussion > > here about MMY's alledged sexlife. I cannot judge if what was said > is > > true or not, but it is also clear, that it doesn't touch the lives > of > > any here present. It fulfills some curiousity thats all, and most > > people don't care about it. Now what aut these artocities, does it > > have anything to do with it? No. > > > Irmeli:Yes the scrutinizing should be done mainly before you choose a > guru. But also after you have surrendered to the guru, although it > may not be easily done then. It is inevitable to have opinions, even if you are in a relationship. > MMY I cannot consider to be a real guru > expect for those who can live in a close personal contact with him. I fully agree with this. But some people have such a relationship with hime, and some had it. Recently a poster has posted his experience of MMY's direct personal impact on his Brahmacharya. It was easy to belive for me, as I have a close friend who had a similar experience directly from MMY, even though being in a big crowd. My friend had some doubts about the whole movement at the time. He wondered about the whole 'show'. At one point MMY from the stage looked directly into his eyes and opened the heart chakra for him, something that changed his whole life, and still lingers on. My friend was on Purusha like myself, and is now outside. He is definitely an independent thinker, but he also knows Guru Vada and the vedic tradition. > And I see it important to discuss the possible abuse of power of ANY > person. Yet I see that this discussion is fairly onesided. I hardly have ever seen that the positive things of Guruism are pointed out, like by myself here. Generally the 'dangers' the posibble 'abuse' is highlighted. > It can be prevented only that way. Exposing it everywhere, > where it might be hiding. That way people learn to discriminate those > things and are not so easily abused. See, what I don't get here is this: what you say is the opinion of the general public, let's say of 90% of the people, who have no idea of the religious context in which this happens, but simply project their own ego-image onto the Guru (i.e. the Guru wants only adoration, riches etc.) What is the need for stressing this so much, as this is general prejudice anyway? Tell me, I don't get it. You are warning without knowing the whole thing. > t3rinity: I think this is somewhat unrealistic. Of what kind of > setting do you > > speak? If somebody has a personal Guru, the this Guru can only > effect > > his ego, if he is given some power over it. Of course you can also > > learn something from him without that, like a technique of > meditation. > > In the end you have to decide what you go for: Are you in a Guru > > /desciple relationship, or not, its your decision. But if you are, > you > > have to give some power away from your ego. I am simply > acknowledging > > that this path exists, and acknowledge the mechanics connected with > > it. I guess most people here are not in such a relationship anyway, > > so how can they judge? > > Irmeli:I have some difficulties to discuss this topic at all, because > in this lifetime I have not felt need for a > guru and still been capable of evolving spiritually. But I would > think it to be possible to surrender your ego to a guru, without > losing your capacity to good judgement and discrimination and > rational, truthful clear thinking. But I didn't say this. Of course you don't loose your capa
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You had the ill luck with some teacher who took off exactly on this. > What I always wanted you to ask about Lenz: He was an offshot of > Chinmoy, who again was an offshot of Aurobindo. Did you get any > acquaintance with Aurobindo in your time with Lenz, or was this > totally out of the picture by that time? None whatsoever. And he rarely mentioned Chinmoy. He considered himself a "breakaway" from Chinmoy's tradition, not a part of it. One can make of that whatever one wants, but I've read some of Chinmoy's stuff and Lenz definitely was teaching very different things. But I wouldn't consider it "ill luck." I learned a great deal, from both the positive aspects of the study and the negative ones. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: More pictures
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Fischer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I vote for more pictures. What's a soap opera (Novella?) > without pictures? So, let's start downloading! ..or rather, uploading. (There's no harm in a little pedantry once in a while). Uns. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That maybe. I am also against the caste system which is propounded by > the Gita and the Vedas, but this is a social structure, which has > nothing to do with spirituality. Yet with things that are essentially > relating to the process of acquiring spiritual knowldege it's really a > different matter, and we shouldn't adopt materialistic measures to > judge them. In reality you are trashing Bhakti and Guruvada which form > essential ingredients of any Indian tantric path, as if they were a > sign of spiritual adolescencse. Thats clear from your answer to Lawson > I am not saying you shpould adopt it, I am just saying you should stop > trashing it. And I am simply sharing what I know about it - for you to > consider as a background. I am not saying you should swap flags. No problem. I will consider it. I am far from the most tactful person on earth, and it is not only possible but likely that some are offended by the things I say. Whether that is their samskara or mine is open to interpretation. But I'll try to be more sensitive in the future. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality." > > > > > > > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering > > how > > > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > > > positions. > > > > > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have > > meant, > > > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement: > > > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to the > immortality of > > the > > > image I have been creating of myself to the world.' > > > > > > Irmeli > > > > Spot on! > > It's not spot on at all! Let's investigate this interpretation: > The sentence as MMY said it is totally in line with the great bulk of > Hindu scriptures. As such, being in no way specific to himself, or the > image he wants to create of himself for posteriority. Yet it is this > interpretation Irmeli feels called to and advises us to see. But the > way she(he?) put it is not neutral at all. Instead of writting MIGHT > in capital letters, she writes REALLY in capital letters, as if she > had some secret of background knowledge. It is certainly NOT what MMY > has wanted to be understood, This is putting meaning into other > peoples mouth, without knowing what their intention was. And its > dishonest. I usually would desregard such a post, but I use it as an > example - in all politeness - for what we have just been discussing. > What I object to is the suggestive phrasing, putting REALLY in > capitals, and saying *clear* language, as if the more spiritual > meaning is unclear. Now, please show me one Indian teacher, that is > traditional teacher, not JK, who says critizing ones Guru would be a > good thing. Irmeli: Yes REALLY was wrong choice of words. And my interpretation was not something MMY was consciously wanting to say. But I see the statement revealing his subconscious motives. Btw it is a lovely summer evening now here in Finland. I'm sitting outdoors on the veranda in the city and listenening to a nightingale singing very loudly nearby.The lilacs are in full blossom and spreading their fragrance. It is 11.20 pm and still light, even if the half moon can be seen on the sky already clearly. Irmeli To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO is a spiritual Enron - was A question for Brigante
> > > Why were you blacklisted for that? You placed an article in > > > front of his title...h? > > > > Hey, even given sparaig's tendency to believe in > > things like the CIA stalking Maharishi, weirder > > shit has happened. In L.A. I saw iniators turned > > down for ATR courses because they had books on > > their bookshelves that the "board of review" con- > > sidered "off the program." The kicker was that I > > had been to the houses of the teachers on that > > "board of review," and the same books were on all > > their bookshelves. Total hypocrisy and tyranny, > > all done in the name of "purity of the teaching." > > There was a "board of review"? Maybe now, I have heard everything. > Of course books and the ideas that they stimulate are very very > dangerous... (and they want kings?) This was at the L.A. Center, which at the time cohabitated with National in Pacific Palisades. It was just a group of TM teachers who got together monthly or so to pass judgment (literally) on those who wanted to go to courses. Longer residence courses, TTC, and ATR. They had the authority to make or not make the recommendation that would get the person on the course or prevent them from attending. What is the saying? Power corrupts, but controlling access to the Absolute corrupts absolutely? Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sparaig wrote: > > > > Actually, the whole group here comes across as a bunch > > fundamentalists turned atheists. > > Close. I'd say I'm a fundamentalist turned agnostic. I'm a fundamentalist turned Buddhist, which some confuse with atheism. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
Lups, that was me hitting myself and channeling a cat on one of my crack binges.Irmeli Mattsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > Sure, that is your, may I say, silly little interpretation. But then > again I do not eat raw mice or hit any doctors with my fist.I have never eaten raw mice or hit a doctor with my fist.Aren't you one of those who critizises here people spreading wrong rumours?IrmeliTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
Everybody has a unique relationship with their guru and can not judge what another's relationship is or what it should be. MMY is not a traditional guru for most people, so most of us have this unusual relationship with him. We haven't seen him in person for decades but we receive his "blessings" in our practice of his techniques. So some will worship him, some will hate him and critisize him. Do you think he cares? The Ocean accepts all rivers, muddy, clear, cold, warm, whatever. MMY is Self in human form. That's the mystery of a Guru. It's your very Self "out there" walking around in a body. Very strange indeed.t3rinity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand Paul Mason"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lupidus108" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> > wrote:> > >> "Do not critize - critisism is dangerous to immortality."> > > > > > > MMY don't clearly believe in this statement himself considering > how > > much he has been criticizing people, especially those in leading > > positions.> > > > Here is translation to clear language, what he REALLY might have > meant, > > that also reveals the deeper motives in the statement:> > `Don't criticize me criticism is dangerous to theimmortality of > the > > image I have been creating of myself to the world.'> > > > Irmeli> > Spot on!It's not spot on at all! Let's investigate this interpretation:The sentence as MMY said it is totally in line with the great bulk ofHindu scriptures. As such, being in no way specific to himself, or theimage he wants to create of himself for posteriority. Yet it is thisinterpretation Irmeli feels called to and advises us to see. But theway she(he?) put it is not neutral at all. Instead of writting MIGHTin capital letters, she writes REALLY in capital letters, as if shehad some secret of background knowledge. It is certainly NOT what MMYhas wanted to be understood, This is putting meaning into otherpeoples mouth, without knowing what their intention was. And itsdishonest. I usually would desregard such a post, but I use it as anexample - in all politeness - for what we have just been discussing.What I object to is the suggestive phrasing, putting REALLY incapitals, and saying *clear* language, as if the more spiritualmeaning is unclear. Now, please show me one Indian teacher, that istraditional teacher, not JK, who says critizing ones Guru would be agood thing.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY: lifespan, 8.6.05
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > People who question "recieved truth" given by the "holy" are seen > as dumb asses by true believers and true belivers who blindly accept > the "recieved truth" given by the "holy" are seen as dumb asses by > those that question. What are you gonna do? It will always be this > way. Neither group can understand the other. Yeah, what he said. Better and in fewer words than I did. Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi - Guru of Gurus
Very nicely said. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Maharishi has been teaching for a long time. Someone had mentioned that there's probably more video footage of him then of any other historical person alive. > > Gurus are those fixtures which stay in the mind and guide us through all our activities. The word guru means heavy. The guru is a heavy fixture in the mind. > > Love the guru or hate him, either way he has assumed a seat in the heart or mind. > > Either way he guides. > > The Dalai Lama is perhaps more well known and generally respected. But most people don't know anything about the Dalai Lama. The reason I know this to be true is because I asked a blind black man from the ghetto if he had heard of the Dalai Lama and he said yes. I asked at what age he had heard of him, and he said, his whole life. Then I asked if he had heard of Maharishi. I had to ask a couple ways and describe Maharishi. Eventually he said that yes he had heard of him, but not his whole life. > > Nowadays, people think the Dalai Lama is the pope of Buddhism, even though that's not reallly an apt description. And people think that Maharishi is the blissful guru that brought meditation to the West. > > I read the posts at Hip Forums which is a mostly young hippie listserv, and many people know of Maharishi as the person who started studies on meditation. Many people who have never learned TM stiill think they are practicing it. Many people who have never seen or heard Maharishi or done TM still have heard of the Maharishi Effect. The idea that a group of meditators being able to create a blissful effect throughout society is a given to many of them. Whether they do the technique or not. > > Having studied Kalachakra of the Dalai Lama and TM and the Sidhis and other Vedic programs of Maharishi, I can certainly say that Maharishi's teachings are more automatic and simple. Maharishi's teachings when put into practice do satisfy the tenets of yogic wisdom, from any school, Buddhist or Hindu. > > Group practice of TM is done to create bliss and coherence in society. This is ipso facto generation of bodhicitta, to use a term from the Vajrayana. > > Whether one has the wisdom to utilize the bliss of TM to create positive karma or not is up to the individual. > > TM, TM-Sidhis, and so on, are not the source of the profoundity of the practice, nor the reality of the practice, nor the goal of the practice. When one eats a plate of food with a fork, the technique of the fork is not the same as the plate of food, not the same as the act of eating, and not the same as the full stomach. > > Maharishi has been often confused with meditation and yoga in general. It's certain that as time passes to the general public he will be more confused with the entire yogic tradition than he is even now. > > More books will come out, and they will applaud him, they will chastise him, people will rally to the left or the right. But those who still do TM, or another of his programs will still eat the bliss of the yogic nature. > > Love him or hate him he will remain in our hearts and minds. Now that's a real guru amongst gurus. > > Dedicated to Maharishi. May He Live Long. And May His Wish of World Peace Be Fulfilled. > > (at the very least can't we have some larger meditation residence courses?) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:petersutphen and the truth
Well, that pretty much sums me up: perverted, biased, unfounded and cracked. It's a good thing that I don't exist though, otherwise I'd might be depressed!lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> The money goes to MMY's financial holdingsOh yes ?in India run by members of his family. It is not donated to the poor. That is a crack induced fantasy.Here you go again; crack is your favorite fantasy these days it seems. I'm not going to advice you what to do about it though.I've met these people - in indian terms they are wealthy, slightly arrogant, just like the newly rich of any country. They can afford a house, a cook and a driver. But so can millions of other middleclass indians. In my terms they are just regular people, with an uncle that loves them.I would describe your ideas on this; perverted, biased, unfounded and - cracked.> > lupidus108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen > wrote:> > Oh, I'm sorry. Lups isn't smoking crack, t3rinity is!> > > > t3rinity wrote:snip> > > > Yeah, but just a big assumption and judgement. E.g. Maharishi shifts> > money from the west to India, to built schools and give people free> > instruction into meditation.> > Whats your problem Dr. ? That's exactly what Maharishi is doing - he > is a modern day Robin Hood: steel from the rich, give to the poor.> > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> > and click 'Join This Group!' > > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -> > Discover Yahoo!> > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it > out!> > > > > To subscribe, send a message to:> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/> and click 'Join This Group!' > Yahoo! Groups Links> > > > > > > > > > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.comTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Discover Yahoo! Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news & more. Check it out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
