Re: [FairfieldLife] URGENT! Anyone know URL:s for YF videos?
YF? --- cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, hurry! LOL! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? I had a good friend on International Staff in the late 70's and she said she both saw and experienced this all the time with MMY. He'd say one thing to one person and then the opposite to another and a conflict would be created. Just an advanced technique at the ashram. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vastu outside to help establish vastu inside? Hey, I like that! Good positioning statement. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Proclaiming ones enlightenment
On Nov 2, 2005, at 1:17 AM, sparaig wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 3:38 PM, brahmachari108 wrote: Notions of CC, GC, UC are inventions of Mahesh Yogi. Where in Veda are these mentioned? What is above or below in the state of Turiya? CC = samkhya and yoga GC = mimamsa and Vaishnava devotionalism. UC = Badarayana sutras and numerous other places. Definitive work on CC and UC is jivanmuktiviveka of Shankaracharya Vidyaranya. Mahesh weaned his take on these from reading the various commentaries of the Badaraynana sutras, esp. favoring Shankara's bhasya/comments/POV. Sez me old friend, Sanskrit and Vedic music scholar, Anoop Chandola, "no-one can listen to him [MMY] without realizing that he is obviously speaking from personal experience..." Consensus gentium and argumentum ad verecundiam. No one? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Subconscious saMyama-like control of sound?
anahata nada: unstruck sound. Spontaneous sound, the sound of the inner heart.On Nov 1, 2005, at 2:53 AM, cardemaister wrote: Don't know whether this anecdote is true, but: B.B.King once asked Hendrix something like: "Where do all these sounds [of his Strat, and stuff] come from?" Hendrix had replied: "I don't know!" Perhaps sometime in the 80's or 90's, Mike Bloomfield, or some such guy, told on a TV documentary, that he still hasn't figured out how Hendrix created some of the weird sounds without that much effect gadgetry (just Octavia, fuzz-box and wah-wah, in addition to creative use of feed-back?). I've often thought if it was possible that Jimi's intensive emotions during playing somehow could "distort" the sounds without his conscious effort to do so... naah! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ghosts calmed by TM
On Nov 1, 2005, at 7:00 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote: "The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these days. The old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor. "We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the drum playing seems to calm the ghost down," Dobson said. http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9 Easy ojas...of course it calmed them. Don't you enjoy a nice meal? :-) These stories of spirits influencing physical objects and/or making themselves known are commonplace. Has anyone come across an explanation for how this is possible? My understanding is the way "ghosts" cause physical effects is through strong emotion on their part. And that causes prana to move which can in some cases can cause a material effect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] The Call to Drive Out the Bush Regime
http://www.worldcantwait.net/The Call to Drive Out the Bush RegimeSign the call now!Your government, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.Your government is openly torturing people, and justifying it.Your government puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.Your government is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.Your government suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.Your government is moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to birth control and abortion.Your government enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.People look at all this and think of Hitler — and they are right to do so. The Bush regime is setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations to come. We must act now; the future is in the balance. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Jerry Jarvis was tangentially involved in the St. Louis project and I predicted yrs ago that Bevan would try to shut it down to prevent a potential rebirth of Jerry as a mov't leader after MMY goes. PS - MMY wasn't at the Mahalakshmi broadcast yesterday indicating that he must be pretty ill. PSS - What if the tm masses started sending $25 donations to smart independent tm teachers like Farrokh who are actually conducting sensible, successful tm projects and jump start an alternative mov't to the one run by millionaire-financed bevan-rajas who are totally out of touch with reality. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meli Irmeli wrote in response to Peter: Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be a problem with the term waking state here. Irmeli appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. anonX I understand enlightenment to be a prevalent waking state awareness. It depends on how we define enlightenment, what attributes this enlightened awareness has. This has been my conceptual basic assumption. I have stated this in many posts earlier. Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. I have had very easy to relate to Ken Wilber's thinking and descriptions and conceptual way of expressing himself from the very first moment I encountered his writings a few years ago. I mean I can in his descriptions recognize my own subjective reality, but not in Peter's descriptions. I just read from the newest issue of What is Enlightenment from the Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen Dialogue a very good description that pretty well describes my own conscious inner reality. Quote: Wilber: Moment to moment there is this ever-present is-ness, and yet as soon as you locate yourself in it, there is an `I'. Cohen: Yes. The minute you locate yourself, the whole world appears. Wilber: Exactly. As soon as there is an `I', there is an it or an object, and then there is a `we'; there is some resonance with some other subjectivity someplace. Wilber explains also a little bit further in the text: When you are in a causal, or nondual, open-eyes, ever-present, non-effort state, an I arises that is an authentic self. I hope this helps to clarify, what I have been trying to communicate. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. __ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghosts calmed by TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote: The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these days. The old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor. We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the drum playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said. http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9 Easy ojas...of course it calmed them. Don't you enjoy a nice meal? :-) These stories of spirits influencing physical objects and/or making themselves known are commonplace. Has anyone come across an explanation for how this is possible? It's their subtle bodies. People who die unnatural deaths are often trapped between this and the next world. But don't expect the ignorant to finance research into it anytime soon. I understand what you have said. I was looking for a more detailed explanation. Thanks, anyway. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *Subject:* TM Introduction Dr. Director of the TM Peace Palace Project: [BIG SNIP] Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 years, or about $20 a month over 10 years. She probably spends more than that on cafe-lattes and Japanese dine outs each month. Some seeker. When I was a seeker I was ready to give up everything at great risk to myself and to my future finance, and go to India with nothing. Those were the days of the true seekers. Now everyone wants it for the price of a Cafe-Grande. Sad days indeed. OffWorld On the other hand, does the world really need the peace palaces? Vastu outside to help establish vastu inside? Yes, and similarly, once vastu is established inside, no need for vastu outside. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?
There was a recent proposal to pass a federal law to allow organic to include additives of a certain kind. Anyone know if this went through? No. A similar proposal was defated a couple of years ago. The new proposal is still in process. For now, organic really means organic. From the USDA: In October 2002, the USDA instituted new rules for the labeling of organic foods, creating a national standard for the first time. To meet the new USDA organic standard: Farms and food manufacturers must be certified by the government. Egg, meat, poultry, and dairy products must come from animals not given any antibiotics or growth hormones. Other foods, such as nuts, seeds, fruits, vegetables, and coffee, must be grown without the use of pesticides, petroleum-based fertilizers, sewage-sludge-based fertilizers, ionization, or genetic engineering. Foods or food products labeled 100% Organic must contain all organic ingredients. Their packaging can display the official USDA Organic seal. Foods or food products labeled Organic must contain at least 95% organic ingredients. Their packaging can also display the official USDA Organic seal. Foods or food products labeled Made With Organic must contain at least 70% organic ingredients. They may not display the organic seal however. http://www.ams.usda.gov/nop/consumers/brochure.html. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? Each is certainly acting from his own level of consciousness, and I'll leave it at that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali for Halloween
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Halloween costume (from a friends blog). And you thought your wife was a bitch... :-) Be aware that the only ones who will see attached files sent to the list are people who get the list traffic in email. Attachments are not stored in the web archives. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: snip Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. nice and bozo aren't a contradiction. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ghosts calmed by TM
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 7:00 PM, jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Nov 1, 2005, at 4:12 PM, bbrigante wrote: The atmosphere in the Idanha has been a little calmer these days. The old hotel was bought by investors who have been practicing Transcendental Meditation on the sixth floor. We haven't felt its presence as much. The meditation and the drum playing seems to calm the ghost down, Dobson said. http://tinyurl.com/7d5f9 Easy ojas...of course it calmed them. Don't you enjoy a nice meal? :-) These stories of spirits influencing physical objects and/or making themselves known are commonplace. Has anyone come across an explanation for how this is possible? My understanding is the way ghosts cause physical effects is through strong emotion on their part. And that causes prana to move which can in some cases can cause a material effect. Thank you! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] URGENT! Anyone know URL:s for YF videos?
on 11/2/05 1:58 AM, cardemaister at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, hurry! LOL! There are quite a few yellow frog videos at this URL: http://tinyurl.com/cy4n9. Is that what you wanted? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. Peter: There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Irmeli: I'm sorry if you have found my posts insulting. That has not been my purpose to insult you personally. My purpose have been to attack the issue no I, not you as a person. And I know I tend to be in my responses quite straightforward and a fighter. Mars is the strongest and most favourable planet in my yotish-chart. It has some truth to it. I feel myself to be a fighter and thrive in that function. Although I have seen those qualities also in you. But somehow you feel me to be too insulting. And I have observed that you have been attacked even on a personal level by some posters. And you have responded to them. I repeat on my part it is all on the level of issues. From what I have I have learned of you by reading your posts I consider you to be a fine, considerate person. Why does this no I topic make you feel so vulnerable? Have you given to that any thought? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 5:49 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? I had a good friend on International Staff in the late 70's and she said she both saw and experienced this all the time with MMY. He'd say one thing to one person and then the opposite to another and a conflict would be created. Just an advanced technique at the ashram. The classic example was Domash. Maharishi said to Larry, Come with me. They get to the door of the Külm, Domash following, and Maharishi says to the WYMS guards, Don't let anyone past. A major confrontation ensues. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 5:53 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. He is, but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's a Raja now. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kali for Halloween
Yeah I know. Never could figure out why anyone would want to attempt to read an email list on he web though... On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Halloween costume (from a friends blog). And you thought your wife was a bitch... :-) Be aware that the only ones who will see attached files sent to the list are people who get the list traffic in email. Attachments are not stored in the web archives. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 5:53 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. He is, but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's a Raja now. Cool! I'm a Burger King! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Are you part of a genetically engineered food experiment?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tazarmfune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There was a recent proposal to pass a federal law to allow organic to include additives of a certain kind. Anyone know if this went through? The latest salvo: INDUSTRY ATTACK ON ORGANIC STANDARDS Despite receiving over 350,000 letters and phone calls from OCA members and the organic community, Republican leaders in Congress October 27 attached a rider to the 2006 Agricultural Appropriations Bill to weaken the nation's organic food standards in response to pressure from large-scale food manufacturers. Congress voted last night to weaken the national organic standards that consumers count on to preserve the integrity of the organic label, said Ronnie Cummins, National Director of the Organic Consumers Association. The process was profoundly undemocratic and the end result is a serious setback for the multi billion dollar alternative food and farming system that the organic community has so painstakingly built up over the past 35 years. As passed, the amendment sponsored by the Organic Trade Association allows: Numerous synthetic food additives and processing aids, including over 500 food contact substances, to be used in organic foods without public review. Young dairy cows to continue to be treated with antibiotics and fed genetically engineered feed prior to being converted to organic production. Loopholes under which non-organic ingredients could be substituted for organic ingredients without any notification of the public based on emergency decrees. OCA will work to reverse this rider with an Organic Restoration Act in Congress in 2006. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/1/05 10:51 PM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, do you know why Bevan stopped Judge Anklesaria from coming to the conference? I wonder what the stated reason was. Farrokh is not a judge. He is a lawyer and a TM teacher. LB is the one who told me the Conference/Bevan story. Maybe he can answer the question. Here is Farrokh's web site: http://www.enlightenedsentencing.org/ I have to plead the Nixon defense again. I don't remember exactly when I heard this story, or who told it to me. As it was narrated, Farrokh had worked very hard to arrange this conference, then was told by Bevan not to attend. Technically, I have to regard this as a rumor; that is, I am only reporting what I was told. If this actually happened, then to pick up on the speculation touched upon above, I can see two possible angles: 1) Bevan's well-known tendency to cut perceived rivals off at the knees came into play. 2) From, perhaps, Michael Dillbeck's point of view (this is a speculation for the sake of consideration, NOT an attribution)perhaps the rebellious tendencies shown in Farrokh's letter were already somewhat in evidence and Bevan was merely acting responsibly to keep a loose cannon in check. Combinations, permutations, alternatives, and factual information are all welcomed. Cheers. L B S Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 8:21 AM, Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. I picked up on the same thing. There's some truth in this. Naturally Bevan and others put their own spin on things, but ultimately Maharishi is calling the shots, and some people have a hard time admitting this, because it requires a major shift in one's emotional orientation. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. I observed I didn't answer your question about my conceptual model. I'm not sure what it is. It has been influenced by everything that I have encountered while living all my life in a western modern society in Scandinavia. I also rely on my own understanding rather than on any doctrine or dogma. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Fear and Loathing in Tibet
Wonderful blog/story of the son of Mahasiddha Chogyam Trungpa, Gesar, and his journey to Tibet to be recognized as the reincarnation of Shechen Kontrtul Rimpoche. http://mahasiddhi.blogspot.com/2005/10/fear-and-loathing-in-tibet- part-one.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah, its really a bummer when the no-I gets insulted. So much no-anger arises. The no-ego feels so no-hurt. It can get a no-I really no-pissed. Bummer. Opps, I mean no bummer. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vastu outside to help establish vastu inside? Hey, I like that! Good positioning statement. Facing east? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. MMY may be pure, but he's certainly said the things that Dilbeck has been challenged on. There's psychological disconnects going on all over the place within and without the TMO right now... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 5:53 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great letter! I just sent Farrokh an email of appreciation and thanks for his clarity and telling the truth. Good for him! Dillbeck sounds like a bozo. Actually, Michael Dillbeck is one of the nicer people in the TMO. He is, but power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. He's a Raja now. Just how seriously are the rajas taking themselves? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM Introduction
--- off_world_beings wrote: Why doesn't he just tell her it is about $40 a month over 5 years, or about $20 a month over 10 years. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or why doesn't he tell her that if she quits after her first year, it'll only cost her $3.42 a meditation? Or about 20 cents a minute. Or just pennies per repetition of the mantra! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali for Halloween
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know. Never could figure out why anyone would want to attempt to read an email list on he web though... I'm subscribed to a few dozen Yahoo groups, and there's no way I want all that traffic showing up in any Inbox. I only casually sample list traffic, and doing so via the archives is easier for me. On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Halloween costume (from a friends blog). And you thought your wife was a bitch... :-) Be aware that the only ones who will see attached files sent to the list are people who get the list traffic in email. Attachments are not stored in the web archives. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
see comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Peter, Regarding your stick(ing) to MMY's model of the 7 states - I understand how this point relates to the confusion that Irmeli has with your use of the term waking state, since she is using the common meaning of that term, while you are using MMY's meaning. But I don't understand how statements from you, variously worded, to the effect that there is absolutely no I have their roots in MMY's 7 states model. MMY always talks about the Self, about Self- Realization. I believe that the word self and the word I have similar connotations in the English language. Granted, that he is speaking of a universal Self, but the choice of words has some significance, does it not? Contrast that with the Buddhists, who claim that there is no ultimate Self. On FFL, you have described your personal experience about this - what happened one day years ago on your way out of the dome. You have stated that you went back to MMY's commentary on the Gita and found that his descriptions of CC matched your experience very well. So it may very well be that your experience, which you describe as no I is well supported by descriptions from MMY which are not at all couched in the terminology of no I. If I am right, then I think you should be more careful in stating that you are using MMY's 7 states model when you use terms such as no I, even though you found confirmation for your experience in MMY's own words. How did this phrase no I enter into your vocabulary? Was it what spontaneously arose in your mind as an understanding of your own experience? Or was it something you picked up from Ramana Maharishi, Nisargadatta, Suzanne Siegal, or Bernadette Roberts? Or did you come across the confirming language sets of these people after you had already determined that no I was what had happened to you? In any case, don't you think that the language that you are using represents a hybrid of MMY's 7 states model and the model(s) of one or more of the people I mentioned above? :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali for Halloween
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know. Never could figure out why anyone would want to attempt to read an email list on he web though... I'm subscribed to a few dozen Yahoo groups, and there's no way I want all that traffic showing up in any Inbox. I only casually sample list traffic, and doing so via the archives is easier for me. According to the list statement Rick just posted, FFL is 100 to 300 posts a day. Perhaps Vaj just doesn't get much email, so he doesn't mind having his mailbox filled with FFL postings. On Nov 2, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great Halloween costume (from a friends blog). And you thought your wife was a bitch... :-) Be aware that the only ones who will see attached files sent to the list are people who get the list traffic in email. Attachments are not stored in the web archives. Alex Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
see comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meli Irmeli wrote in response to Peter: Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be a problem with the term waking state here. Irmeli appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. anonX I understand enlightenment to be a prevalent waking state awareness. It depends on how we define enlightenment, what attributes this enlightened awareness has. This has been my conceptual basic assumption. I have stated this in many posts earlier. Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. I have had very easy to relate to Ken Wilber's thinking and descriptions and conceptual way of expressing himself from the very first moment I encountered his writings a few years ago. I mean I can in his descriptions recognize my own subjective reality, but not in Peter's descriptions. I just read from the newest issue of What is Enlightenment from the Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen Dialogue a very good description that pretty well describes my own conscious inner reality. Quote: Wilber: Moment to moment there is this ever-present is-ness, and yet as soon as you locate yourself in it, there is an `I'. Cohen: Yes. The minute you locate yourself, the whole world appears. Wilber: Exactly. As soon as there is an `I', there is an it or an object, and then there is a `we'; there is some resonance with some other subjectivity someplace. Wilber explains also a little bit further in the text: When you are in a causal, or nondual, open-eyes, ever-present, non-effort state, an I arises that is an authentic self. I hope this helps to clarify, what I have been trying to communicate. Irmeli Thank you Irmeli for your response. I have read a number of posts from you since you first joined FFL. However, I go through long periods of not reading FFL, so I am sure that I have missed many of your contributions. On the topic of waking state I think it is worthwhile to understand that Peter uses that as a kind of jargon, or shorthand for pre-enlightened state. I suggest that, when reading what he has to say, you make the substitution. Then you will not confuse your understanding of waking state (which is the more common usage) with his (which is Maharishi's usage). If you follow this suggestion, you will have a new interpretation of the conversations you have with him. For example, you wrote: He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? His part of this would translate as: He has explained that the pre-enlightened state and enlightenment are two different things. Then you would see that your question which followed isn't actually addressing what he had to say. Once getting past the confusion of terminology, it starts to get interesting to see the similarities and differences in how each of you define enlightenment. Regarding the no I concept, if you have an interest to understand it better, there are some very articulate attempts to describe this experience, coming from people who had no predisposition to expect it, based on their own traditions. These have been mentioned before on FFL: Collision With the Infinite, by Suzanne Siegal The Experience of No-Self, by Bernadette Roberts In the latter, there a thorough attempt to define what is meant by self. Such a definition is often missing from discussions of no- self, no-ego etc. Other writings by Bernadette Roberts go into this more thoroughly, such as the book What is Self?. I mention this because you seem to have a curious mind, willing to entertain notions outside of your own. You may find it worthwhile to explore these authors. I don't know if this will make any difference to your and Peter's ongoing failure to communicate with each other, even though you intend to. :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using Self-reference as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute enlightenment for Self-reference if you like, although it isn't really necessary. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Rick Archer. As far as I know, Maharishi has absolutely no control over his organisation. Do you want me to go into details on it.? By the way Rick, I hope, I have not offended you in any way.?? FucktheSouth is NOT my article. I just copied and pasted it. ---OriginalMessage-- From: "Rick Archer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 09:42:07 -0600 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh Patrick Gillam at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. I picked up on the same thing. There's some truth in this. Naturally Bevan and others put their own spin on things, but ultimately Maharishi is calling the shots, and some people have a hard time admitting this, because it requires a major shift in one's emotional orien Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using Self-reference as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute enlightenment for Self-reference if you like, although it isn't really necessary. If I may leap into the fray... There appear to be two distinctions here. One, can the intellect locate the Self, or enlightenment? and Two, can it subsequently be described? My take on this, if I may, is that the intellect easily locates the Self. However, it is impossible to describe unless we are speaking with someone who is enlightened and then it is more of a non-verbal acknowledgement between the interested parties. That is precisely why so much is written about the experience of enlightenment- it is Infinite, it is the realization of the Infinite within and out. Can't say enough about it, and yet, just like chocolate, it really must be experienced to be understood. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
Anon, you're hired as my official spokesperson! ;-) --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: see comments below. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: meli Irmeli wrote in response to Peter: Clearly it is futile to discuss these issues with you. With my waking state reality I just cannot comprehend you. Such a shame - you each have so much to contribute. BTW, there may be a problem with the term waking state here. Irmeli appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in when it arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. Peter appears to be using it to mean the state that the body/mind is in before a certain level of realization in the field of universal consciousness. After this, the body/mind still arises from sleep and goes about the activities of the day. anonX I understand enlightenment to be a prevalent waking state awareness. It depends on how we define enlightenment, what attributes this enlightened awareness has. This has been my conceptual basic assumption. I have stated this in many posts earlier. Peter seems to be talking about something else. He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? But I have got no answer. Also many times earlier when I have commented on his no I posts he has not bothered to respond to me. I have had very easy to relate to Ken Wilber's thinking and descriptions and conceptual way of expressing himself from the very first moment I encountered his writings a few years ago. I mean I can in his descriptions recognize my own subjective reality, but not in Peter's descriptions. I just read from the newest issue of What is Enlightenment from the Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen Dialogue a very good description that pretty well describes my own conscious inner reality. Quote: Wilber: Moment to moment there is this ever-present is-ness, and yet as soon as you locate yourself in it, there is an `I'. Cohen: Yes. The minute you locate yourself, the whole world appears. Wilber: Exactly. As soon as there is an `I', there is an it or an object, and then there is a `we'; there is some resonance with some other subjectivity someplace. Wilber explains also a little bit further in the text: When you are in a causal, or nondual, open-eyes, ever-present, non-effort state, an I arises that is an authentic self. I hope this helps to clarify, what I have been trying to communicate. Irmeli Thank you Irmeli for your response. I have read a number of posts from you since you first joined FFL. However, I go through long periods of not reading FFL, so I am sure that I have missed many of your contributions. On the topic of waking state I think it is worthwhile to understand that Peter uses that as a kind of jargon, or shorthand for pre-enlightened state. I suggest that, when reading what he has to say, you make the substitution. Then you will not confuse your understanding of waking state (which is the more common usage) with his (which is Maharishi's usage). If you follow this suggestion, you will have a new interpretation of the conversations you have with him. For example, you wrote: He has explained waking state and enlightenment to be two different things I have earlier asked him how he on daily basis manages to alternate between waking state and enlightenment? His part of this would translate as: He has explained that the pre-enlightened state and enlightenment are two different things. Then you would see that your question which followed isn't actually addressing what he had to say. Once getting past the confusion of terminology, it starts to get interesting to see the similarities and differences in how each of you define enlightenment. Regarding the no I concept, if you have an interest to understand it better, there are some very articulate attempts to describe this experience, coming from people who had no predisposition to expect it, based on their own traditions. These have been mentioned before on FFL: Collision With the Infinite, by Suzanne Siegal The Experience of No-Self, by Bernadette Roberts In the latter, there a thorough attempt to define what is meant by self. Such a definition is often missing from discussions of no- self, no-ego etc. Other writings by Bernadette Roberts go into this more thoroughly, such as the book What is Self?. I mention this because you seem to have a curious mind, willing to entertain notions outside of your own. You may find
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
comments below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using Self-reference as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute enlightenment for Self-reference if you like, although it isn't really necessary. Actually, thinking seems to be the problem here. I've been hoping that you could step back a moment from your ordinary self and maybe chuckle a bit about how in your head you can be. In any case, it's been fun sparring with you, though I had no such intention. Please feel free to have the last word on this. It's been fun. :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Definition of a Libertarian
tazarmfune wrote: they are Aynn Rand Libertarians which in that case they are just plain nuts. Why? Please elaborate... Not an elaboration, but an interesting article: http://www.spunk.org/library/otherpol/critique/sp000859.txt Interesting article (or rant) but to put it in a nutshell Aynn Rand was pissed because her dad lost his business after the revolution and became a fascist bigot. :) Most libertarians I know are not of the Aynn Rand school and are fairly reasonable folks. Rand would have loved the NeoCons. Here is a quiz to find out what you really are: http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using Self-reference as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute enlightenment for Self-reference if you like, although it isn't really necessary. If I may leap into the fray... There appear to be two distinctions here. One, can the intellect locate the Self, or enlightenment? and Two, can it subsequently be described? My take on this, if I may, is that the intellect easily locates the Self. Hooboy. OK, I'm using Self-reference in a *very* different sense, along the lines of Hofstadter's Godel, Escher, Bach, if you've ever read that, or Amit Goswami's Self-Aware Universe. MMY uses it that way in some contexts, but now that I read your question, I realize he uses it in a simpler, nonparadoxical way in other contexts. I don't have time to get further into this at the moment; I'll try to pick it up again later. For now, think of the phrase Hagelin quotes from some piece of Vedic (?) literature: Curving back on myself, I create again and again. However, it is impossible to describe unless we are speaking with someone who is enlightened and then it is more of a non-verbal acknowledgement between the interested parties. That is precisely why so much is written about the experience of enlightenment- it is Infinite, it is the realization of the Infinite within and out. Can't say enough about it, and yet, just like chocolate, it really must be experienced to be understood. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: comments below: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's your point, it's a bit odd that you were including me at all, since I was arguing that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is. How do you know this Judy? Some people who claim to be enlightened, or appear to have a lot of wisdom say that this is true. When they say it, it never appears to be an argument for them, simply an innocent statement about how they experience, or an expression of frustration about communicating their experience. Is it a valid thing to *argue* that the intellect cannot grasp what enlightenment is from the point of view of one who is not enlightened? Does this not imply a strong adherence to a belief rather than a statement of fact? No, it's a logical deduction, as I went on to explain: I've said here and on alt.m.t a number of times that when you take any of MMY's teachings, or any authentic intellectual teaching about consciousness, and take it right down to the nitty-gritty, you end up in contradiction or infinite regress, which is what Self-reference looks like to the mistaken intellect. I quoted MMY as an example of that. And yes, what I just expressed is a concept, but it's a concept about the nature of the limits of the intellect, not about enlightenment per se. These words have a coherent meaning. But they seem to side step the questions that I posed above. I suggest you think again. Hint: I'm using Self-reference as a sort of synonym for the nature of enlightenment because MMY has indicated that's its nature. You could just substitute enlightenment for Self-reference if you like, although it isn't really necessary. Actually, thinking seems to be the problem here. I've been hoping that you could step back a moment from your ordinary self and maybe chuckle a bit about how in your head you can be. I guess you missed my earlier comment about how for me, I have to fight my intellect to the death, using the intellect as a weapon (thorn to remove a thorn). There's no need for you to call my attention to it, thank you very much. In any case, you appear to have completely missed the point of what I was saying, so it's just as well you're bowing out. In any case, it's been fun sparring with you, though I had no such intention. Please feel free to have the last word on this. It's been fun. :D Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. MMY is surrounded by inepts because that's what in the mud -- if he did not want to improve the quality of life in the mud he would have stayed in the Himalayas. But, because of the necessity of going slow in unfolding enlightenment in the mud, it's just fine that inepts are slowing down the growth of the TM movement. From now on, now that a few candles have been lit around the world, the story of the TM movement will only be about India, which is the only place which could support a revival of Vedic culture. I understand Farrokh's frustration, but MMY has made it clear that the Divine Plan calls for gradual unfolding to avoid creating fear and havoc in the Kalimud. Exercise patience and good humor... Bob's school: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/updates.html#luck Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kali for Halloween
On Nov 2, 2005, at 1:21 PM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah I know. Never could figure out why anyone would want to attempt to read an email list on he web though... I'm subscribed to a few dozen Yahoo groups, and there's no way I want all that traffic showing up in any Inbox. I only casually sample list traffic, and doing so via the archives is easier for me. Yeah I have quite of list of groups myself. Anything I'm likely to read or want to archive I download. Stuff I don't read that often goes into folders based on simple rules, hidden away and then it's always ready to read, rather than having go online and slog thru some other interface. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] The insulted Peter Suthpen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Who has got insulted here, if there is no I Peter Suthpen? Why don't you discuss with people, who don't share your conceptual framework, or your stories. Wouldn't it be a good starting point to get beyond one's stories to discuss with people who have different stories than you? Peter Stuthpen wrote in a post earlier: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Why does Peter experience my criticism of his No I story so insulting. Why is he so attached to that story. No I is a story, a description by words of an inner state. Peter's claims are often in conflict with his behaviour. He asks others to leave all stories, as if it were possible. When his own cherished favourite story is questioned, he gets so hurt that, if he bothers to answer, he uses all is energy, not to discuss the proposed ideas, but to tell me, how my ideas are low waking state ideas. They don't belong to enlightened reality. Apparently somehow these structures I have brought up, that define also our use of language, vanish totally in enlightened state according to Peter's reasoning. Why does Peter still all the time express himself with the waking state language in his enlightened state if those strucuteres don't exist in enlightened state. That man is full of bullshit. Now I first time say a personal insult of him. He is full of his superiority that he hides behind his sacred No I story. To be convincing he tries to avoid the word I. Pathetic. I find it also quite interesting that he has not bothered to comment any of the ideas of the function of I presented by me. He just dismisses them as low waking state ideas. Why has he this need to show off his superiority by putting others down? He claims I have insulted him. I have not. It is me, who should feel hurt because of his nonchalant, and condescending treatment of my comments. His behaviour shows that he has an I and an ego, that is in desperate need to prove his superiority above others. He has spent a long time in spiritual circles and he has figured out that enlightenment and No I are very highly appreciated in those circles. Apparently his ego has started to interpret his subtle experiences in those terms. Had he taken a nonspiritual path the stories he would be telling himself about himself to prove his superiority would be something else. But the inner pattern would be precisely the same, only the outer form different. Why did he not comment the quote of Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen discussion in my latest post on this topic. Are also their understanding and insights so low waking state descriptions that it doesn't interest him? Why did he instead concentrate on blubbering how I have insulted him? I have no memory of any personal attack on Peter Suthpen. I have heavily criticised MMY, but he is a public figure. It is not my habit to attack personally the members of FFL. This post is an exception. I add the Wilber/Cohen quote again here. The quote is from the newest issue of What is Enlightenment . It is from the Ken Wilber and Andrew Cohen Dialogue and I feel it to be a very good description that pretty well describes also my own inner reality. Quote: Wilber: Moment to moment there is this ever-present is-ness, and yet as soon as you locate yourself in it, there is an `I'. Cohen: Yes. The minute you locate yourself, the whole world appears. Wilber: Exactly. As soon as there is an `I', there is an it or an object, and then there is a `we'; there is some resonance with some other subjectivity someplace. Wilber explains also a little bit further in the text: When you are in a causal, or nondual, open-eyes, ever-present, non-effort state, an I arises that is an authentic self. Is this too low for Peter Suthpen to comment? Actually I suspect this is far too advanced for Peter Suthpen. Irmeli Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah, its really a bummer when the no-I gets insulted. So much no-anger arises. The no-ego feels so no-hurt. It can get a no-I really no-pissed. Bummer. Opps, I mean no bummer. Lol, the no-I in me is not amused. OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Can you fill this out a bit please. More info.? Did he/she accept? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 12:19 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Sounds like Jaime Grant. Yeah, you're right. Since when is Jamie Grant x-MUM? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yes I know what the problem is, but my question was this: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted.? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 12:19 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 10:44 AM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. Hard to say. I don't think M often does things like that. He usually just lets them get on board or not. Well, word has it that M personally called one x-MUM faculty member (who had been dismissed by Bevan, probably for insubordination) and asked him to take the recertification course and take on certain projects in China afterward. Sounds like Jaime Grant. Yeah, you're right. Since when is Jamie Grant x-MUM? OffWorld ** Not too long after he praised democracy in the MUM Review: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/index.html#demomemo Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh on 11/2/05 1:29 PM, Jason Spock at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm afraid I have to disagree with you Rick Archer. Thats OK. As far as I know, Maharishi has absolutely no control over his organisation. Back when I worked closely with him, in the early 70s, he had absolute control over it. He micromanaged it. Do you want me to go into details on it.? Please do. Perhaps things have changed and you know better. By the way Rick, I hope, I have not offended you in any way.?? Not at all. FucktheSouth is NOT my article. I just copied and pasted it. I know. In fact, I sent it to friends when I first saw it a while back. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 6:09 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** Not too long after he praised democracy in the MUM Review: http://geocities.com/bbrigante/index.html#demomemo That could very well have gotten him canned. The common denominator of those who were booted was that they possessed some grain of independence or freedom of opinion. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The insulted Peter Suthpen
Irmeli, do you really think we can have a rational discussion after you take a dump like that? Maybe we can, I don't know... Let me respond to you below: --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There two reasons why I tend not to take these discussions too far with you. We are coming from two very different conceptual systems. I try to stick to MMY's model of the 7 states. I'm not sure what conceptual model you are coming from. You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Who has got insulted here, if there is no I Peter Suthpen? You don't understand what I'm talking about when I say no I. Why don't you discuss with people, who don't share your conceptual framework, or your stories. Wouldn't it be a good starting point to get beyond one's stories to discuss with people who have different stories than you? Of course, and I have done this with you in the past. Peter Stuthpen wrote in a post earlier: The mind wants to have a story as a defense against experiences that contradict its primary story. Why have any story at all? MMY is a con artist; MMY is a great saint. He's both, he's neither, he's nothing. Why have any story/position at all. Does it matter? Attached, non-attached...just more stories. Why does Peter experience my criticism of his No I story so insulting. I don't experience that as insulting. Passive aggressive comments like, hiding behind concepts, and he doesn't bother to answer me. are indicative of another agenda going on in the conversation. Why is he so attached to that story. No I is a story, a description by words of an inner state. Because the concept/story articulates my phenomenological reality. I'm attached to it the same way you'd be attached to the phrase, It's raining if you went outside and rain drops were falling from the sky. When the phenomenological reality changes, then the concept will be useless. And I understand that the phenomenological reality of no I is useless to you. Fine. Just don't infer that it's useless for me. Peter's claims are often in conflict with his behaviour. He asks others to leave all stories, as if it were possible. When his own cherished favourite story is questioned, he gets so hurt that, if he bothers to answer, he uses all is energy, not to discuss the proposed ideas, but to tell me, how my ideas are low waking state ideas. They don't belong to enlightened reality. Apparently somehow these structures I have brought up, that define also our use of language, vanish totally in enlightened state according to Peter's reasoning. Yes, they do, pretty much! The shift from waking state to Realization; the shift from a bound, limited, subjective sense of self to an unbounded no-self radically alters many cherished concepts of waking state. The first being that there is no such thing as an individual. But this is not the reality of lowly waking state. Why does Peter still all the time express himself with the waking state language in his enlightened state if those strucuteres don't exist in enlightened state. I don't follow you here. How else am I going to communicate with you or anyone else? Silence? That man is full of bullshit. Have you been talking to my wife? ;-) Now I first time say a personal insult of him. He is full of his superiority that he hides behind his sacred No I story. To be convincing he tries to avoid the word I. Pathetic. I try to avoid the word I? I don't think so. That truly would be pathetic! I'm sorry if I come off as sounding superior. That certainly isn't my intent at all. I've been accused of that before in this newsgroup, so I guess it does happen. I find it also quite interesting that he has not bothered to comment any of the ideas of the function of I presented by me. He just dismisses them as low waking state ideas. Why has he this need to show off his superiority by putting others down? I don't say they are lowly. The problem comes about because you are talking about enlightenment within the phenomenological limitations of waking state. Enlightenment can not be understood within waking state because it is such a radical shift of self (even this does not express the idea correctly because it implies a relationship between the self of waking state and the unbounded no-self of enlightenment as if there is some sort of a continuum between the two. There isn't) He claims I have insulted him. I have not. It is me, who should feel hurt because of his nonchalant, and condescending treatment of my comments. Perhaps nonchalant, but not condescending. If you haven't had experiences of enlightenemnt, what are you doing trying to talk about it? You can't! This might seem condescending to you, but of what value is a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yes I know what the problem is, but my question was this: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted.? OffWorld That's unlikely to happen, for a couple reasons, one of which is that MMY clearly said that he did not care if people taught TM under some other name: In the press conference of 14May2003, Maharishi said that he did not care if TM teachers taught the practice outside of the TM bureaucracy: What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 - 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on their own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Also, Farrokh has gone completely off the ranch (encouraging judges to teach TM probably not as taught by MMY), apparently, so the likelihood that he's going to come around to toe the TMO policy line is not high -- although, who knows, a personal appeal directly from MMY might help. But it's not important -- if it was, MMY would do it. All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah, its really a bummer when the no-I gets insulted. So much no-anger arises. The no-ego feels so no-hurt. It can get a no-I really no-pissed. Bummer. Opps, I mean no bummer. Lol, the no-I in me is not amused. OffWorld Well, my no-I is going to kick somebody's no-I sorry ass, if I could just localize it someplace. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY has said something that Dillbeck interprets a certain way. Farrokh refuses to go along with what MMY has said. The REAL issue is: is Dillbeck right about what MMY has said or is Farrokh doing the right thing? Or can they both somehow be right? I had a good friend on International Staff in the late 70's and she said she both saw and experienced this all the time with MMY. He'd say one thing to one person and then the opposite to another and a conflict would be created. Just an advanced technique at the ashram. Must it necessarily be an advance technique? How about plain and simple human fallibility? Or perhaps rudeness? Or maybe short-term memory loss? Or maybe self-centeredness that doesn't take into account the feelings of others? ...all done fully in accord with the laws of nature, of course... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --- -~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] The insulted Peter Suthpen
Keep this going, you two, and you'll be able to grab the championship away from Barry and Judy. Sal On Nov 2, 2005, at 6:16 PM, Peter wrote: Irmeli, do you really think we can have a rational discussion after you take a dump like that? Maybe we can, I don't know... Let me respond to you below:
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah, its really a bummer when the no-I gets insulted. So much no-anger arises. The no-ego feels so no-hurt. It can get a no-I really no-pissed. Bummer. Opps, I mean no bummer. Lol, the no-I in me is not amused. OffWorld Well, my no-I is going to kick somebody's no-I sorry ass, if I could just localize it someplace. Well Off has apparently seen it (why he likes to look at men's asses is another story), and allegedly its HUGE! (Not sure if he was referring to the actual ass or the non-ass, though.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah, its really a bummer when the no-I gets insulted. So much no-anger arises. The no-ego feels so no-hurt. It can get a no-I really no-pissed. Bummer. Opps, I mean no bummer. Lol, the no-I in me is not amused. OffWorld Well, my no-I is going to kick somebody's no-I sorry ass, if I could just localize it someplace. As if you could! I mean as if your sorry non-I ass could -- it is so totally non-wimpish. And my non-father is stronger than your non-father. And don't let me get started on your non-mother. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 5:10 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like Jaime Grant. Yeah, you're right. Since when is Jamie Grant x-MUM? There was a big faculty purge a year or two ago. Jaime, Sam James, and others. I knew about Sam, what is jamie doing now? Doesn't he have a house on the campus? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Yes I know what the problem is, but my question was this: So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted.? OffWorld That's unlikely to happen, for a couple reasons, one of which is that MMY clearly said that he did not care if people taught TM under some other name: In the press conference of 14May2003, Maharishi said that he did not care if TM teachers taught the practice outside of the TM bureaucracy: What I have taught, because it has it's eternal authenticity in the vedic literature and you should know that, how many? 30 - 40 thousand teachers of TM I have trained and many of them have gone on their own and they may not call it Maharishi's TM but they are teaching it in some different name here and there. So there's a lot of these, artificial things are going on, doesn't matter, as long as the man is getting something useful to make his life better, we are satisfied. Also, Farrokh has gone completely off the ranch (encouraging judges to teach TM probably not as taught by MMY), apparently, so the likelihood that he's going to come around to toe the TMO policy line is not high -- although, who knows, a personal appeal directly from MMY might help. But it's not important -- if it was, MMY would do it. All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. Mmmm. Interesting perspective. If there is a guy who is a MMY devotee but does not want to do what MMY says, what does this mean? If there is a guy who is not a MMY devotee but does not want to do what MMY says, what does this mean? Can one be a devotee and not do the bidding of the object of devotion? Can one be a non-devotee and do the bidding of the non-object of devotion? OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] You also become insulting in your responses to me. As soon as this happens I stop responding. I find your posts interesting, but I'm not going to argue with you. Yeah, its really a bummer when the no-I gets insulted. So much no-anger arises. The no-ego feels so no-hurt. It can get a no-I really no-pissed. Bummer. Opps, I mean no bummer. Lol, the no-I in me is not amused. OffWorld Well, my no-I is going to kick somebody's no-I sorry ass, if I could just localize it someplace. Well Off has apparently seen it (why he likes to look at men's asses is another story), and allegedly its HUGE! (Not sure if he was referring to the actual ass or the non-ass, though.) Gross ! You have issues ! and so does your non-you ! ! ! OffWorld Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I may leap into the fray... How high does the non-I leap? There appear to be two distinctions here. One, can the intellect locate the Self, or enlightenment? and Two, can it subsequently be described? Perhaps three. Or even four. Your word locate had the connotation to me of finding the Self from raw deduction. So my quick response was no. You answered yes, so I assume you mean, when Self experiences Self, can the intellect identify its there. if thats what you man, then yes. So its useful to clarify if the reference is to finding something unknown, or identifying something thats already there, and distinguishing it from other, or seeing it the same as (previously) other . The mind is as or even much more involved description than the intellect. Intellect can say this, not this in terms of descriptors that the mind passes by it for review. But the mind does the conceptual work, the framing of the issue, the development of a framework of understanding. So can the mind (with a bit of help from the intellect) describe Self -- but only with poetic markers, and only if it is adjacent -- that there is Experience. But the descriptors are only markers -- like describing love to a drunk chipmunk. One can make an attempt to do so, but (mostly) only in poetic languange. Just as love can only (mostly) be described poetically (but not limited to poems). But the same pre and post issue is there. The mind can try to create poetic markers for what is already there. It can't, from scratch, without the adjacent experience, conceptualize what the experience is. So there is a 2x2 matrix: Mind/intellect x Experience / non-experience (or pre/post). One needs to clearly identify which of the four cells one is refering to when one is talking about locating and describing Self. My take on this, if I may, is that the intellect easily locates the Self. However, it is impossible to describe unless we are speaking with someone who is enlightened and then it is more of a non-verbal acknowledgement between the interested parties. The love poetry (try Neruda) makes sense (often) to one who is either in love, or who has been in love. Its sill garbage to one who had not. I say often because no single words or markers are universal, IMO. Ones markers may or may not make sense to another -- even if the experience is the same. (and maybe the experience is different -- but thats a whole other experience). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Hey yourself, good to see your typing ;-) How are you? JohnY Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Experience of a Conscious Self
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] If I may leap into the fray... How high does the non-I leap? There appear to be two distinctions here. One, can the intellect locate the Self, or enlightenment? and Two, can it subsequently be described? Perhaps three. Or even four. Your word locate had the connotation to me of finding the Self from raw deduction. So my quick response was no. You answered yes, so I assume you mean, when Self experiences Self, can the intellect identify its there. if thats what you man, then yes. So its useful to clarify if the reference is to finding something unknown, or identifying something thats already there, and distinguishing it from other, or seeing it the same as (previously) other . The mind is as or even much more involved description than the intellect. Intellect can say this, not this in terms of descriptors that the mind passes by it for review. But the mind does the conceptual work, the framing of the issue, the development of a framework of understanding. So can the mind (with a bit of help from the intellect) describe Self -- but only with poetic markers, and only if it is adjacent -- that there is Experience. But the descriptors are only markers -- like describing love to a drunk chipmunk. One can make an attempt to do so, but (mostly) only in poetic languange. Just as love can only (mostly) be described poetically (but not limited to poems). But the same pre and post issue is there. The mind can try to create poetic markers for what is already there. It can't, from scratch, without the adjacent experience, conceptualize what the experience is. So there is a 2x2 matrix: Mind/intellect x Experience / non- experience (or pre/post). One needs to clearly identify which of the four cells one is refering to when one is talking about locating and describing Self. My take on this, if I may, is that the intellect easily locates the Self. However, it is impossible to describe unless we are speaking with someone who is enlightened and then it is more of a non- verbal acknowledgement between the interested parties. The love poetry (try Neruda) makes sense (often) to one who is either in love, or who has been in love. Its sill garbage to one who had not. I say often because no single words or markers are universal, IMO. Ones markers may or may not make sense to another -- even if the experience is the same. (and maybe the experience is different -- but thats a whole other experience). Right, there is an initial experience of recognizing our localized Self or Atman. And the intellectual discrimination is within a context of markers as you describe. So that our Self clearly stands out against the background of non-Self. Then as our experience progresses, Atman merges with Brahman (aka God), so that Atman exists, but now in the infinite context of Brahman. This is a most unusual context because Self can no longer be truly discriminated, or put another way, it is now seen on a background and within a context of stuff just like it, rendering the whole search for Atman, and discrimination of Atman, basically meaningless. So the search for enlightenment progresses first from locating something which appears to be inside ourselves, and discriminating that from its background, to then seeing enlightenment through all of the senses, and thoughts, and conclusions, into what is outside ourselves. Enlightenment during this next stage has two remarkable characteristics: It appears to progress much faster than the first inward-oriented stage because of the richness of the experience, since instead of withdrawing from the senses as we do in order to culture the first stage of enlightenment, the senses are instead in wholehearted service to this second stage. Also, it is so much fun, becuase the further we explore, ponder, enliven and discern the outer world, the more enlightened we become. The link between our actions and our enlightenment is so much more immediate, so much more rewarding than during the first stage. We now live in a world who's only purpose for existing is to further our enlightenment in concrete and practical ways. It is very amazing and yet absolutely grounded. As to the question of I and no-I, upon closer investigation, there is only me, linked inexorably to everything and everyone. Make sense? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hey
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Making Hey while the sun shines, eh? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Constitution was definely an improvement over the arrogant Monarchy's of the time; And if you were a Protestant white male; it seemed pretty good. And, it still does, pretty much, with amendments to balance the inequities of the founding fathers. Trouble with the Constitution now is: We have a totally incompetent President; With little recourse to replace him; To bad the founding father's' Didn't forsee a George Bush; As a simple vote of: 'No Confidence'; Would work wonders now... Other than that; We're stuck with this A-hole; For another 3 years? Uh, oh! On the one hand Dear Robert You tell us that The constitution was definitely an improvement over the arrogant Monarchy of the Time And then you tell us that Too bad the founding fathers Didn't foresee having a no confidence vote So as to do away with a George Bush But You idiot The so-called arrogant Monarchy of the Time As you put it Was part and parcel Of the British Parliamentary System WHICH INVENTED THE CONCEPT OF THE NON-CONFIDENCE VOTE In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a speech and Link, http://www.fuckthesouth.com ---OriginalMessage-- From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:31:41 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Constitution Another question from a friend: a few years ago Hagelin gave a commencement speech at MSAE about how corrupt the u.s. constitution is - do you or anyone remember that speech? Wow! Hagelin needs to drink more vata tea! ;) It's hard to imagine how the Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt, since it's just a piece of paper. I wonder if he might have been saying the U.S. *Congress* was corrupt, and Rick's friend just got the C-words confused. I suspect Hagelin would have been directly referring to the U.S. Constitution, Judy. And the reason is because it would have been in the context of what MMY was talking about at that time, which was constitutions of man and nature. That, coupled with the fact that the U.S. is deemed as corrupt in all shapes and forms by MMY, and one could see how Hagelin very well could have referred to the U.S. Constitution in such a manner. Of course, I agree with you that it's hard to see how the U.S. Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt. All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The insulted Peter Suthpen
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who has got insulted here, if there is no I Peter Suthpen? You don't understand what I'm talking about when I say no I. Well, I do. But I also see why people call you on it, or im my case, rib you a lot about it. There is a genetic Peter. There is a social Peter. (sort of the outcome of nature/nuture effects). There is a professional Peter. And none have anything to do with Experienceness. aka Fullness. aka Home. aka IT. Its not that you identify now with IT or the SELF, but that there is no identication. There actually never was, it was as a mirage is on the desert. Seems real, until its gone. But your words are so much focussed on the subjective Experience no I that people seem to think that you are saying there is no genetic Peter, no social Peter, no Professional Peter. Which is silly. I know you don't mean that, but your words appear to some as so emphatic sometimes, the totality of the situation is not clear to evryone. Its like you let go of genetic Peter, social Peter, professional Peter. Or genetic Peter, social Peter, professional Peter let go of (their binding claim on) you. You let go. Only you didn't do anything. Its like you got let go. Which is (in amerian idiom) you got fired. You no longer work. Work happens but you are retired. (and this is what Dylan was referring to when he sang I ain't going to work on Maggie's farm no more! Why don't you discuss with people, who don't share your conceptual framework, or your stories. Wouldn't it be a good starting point to get beyond one's stories to discuss with people who have different stories than you? This is a good point. no I is one story. Its one marker. Its one way to describe IT. There are other stories. 9 million in the Naked City alone. It appears you have some qualm about letting go and enjoying and celebratng other stories. it not clear why. I don't experience that as insulting. Passive aggressive comments like, hiding behind concepts, and he doesn't bother to answer me. are indicative of another agenda going on in the conversation. IMO, you are reading way to much into simple words, finding things that are insulting or other agendas (tom is into seeing agendas also. go figure) Why can't the words just be a story. Someones story about you. So many stories. What does one more matter. If they like their story, should that be enough? And who cares if someone is passive agressive. That is their issue. Something is bothering them. Why is that a crime? (Its roughlyparallel to the fact that people have thoughts. Are the thoughts true? Maybe. maybe not. But its not a crime to have a thought, regardless of whether its true of not.) Why is he so attached to that story. No I is a story, a description by words of an inner state. Because the concept/story articulates my phenomenological reality. I'm attached to it the same way you'd be attached to the phrase, It's raining if you went outside and rain drops were falling from the sky. But its not the only true story. When the phenomenological reality changes, then the concept will be useless. And I understand that the phenomenological reality of no I is useless to you. Its not all black and white. I read into Irmeli's words, over time, certanly some Experience. It seems a lot of the debate is semantics, you each previeve words of the other in ways different than they were meant. On top of that, you each have different stories. I do recognize that different experiences can and will give rise to different stories. And, for example, if one hs no experience of Self, then anothers story of Self will not make sense. But from all of Irmeli's posts, it appears likely she has abundant Experience, Self knows Self. (I say appears, because words can be said by anyone.) Thus it appears you are debating stories about Experience. Which seems odd. All stories, if authentically based, are good, fun, interesting. Fine. Just don't infer that it's useless for me. I don't think she is. But why do you care if she infers it or not? its like SO WHAT! ... Apparently somehow these structures I have brought up, that define also our use of language, vanish totally in enlightened state according to Peter's reasoning. Yes, they do, pretty much! The shift from waking state to Realization; the shift from a bound, limited, subjective sense of self to an unbounded no-self radically alters many cherished concepts of waking state. The first being that there is no such thing as an individual. But this is not the reality of lowly, waking state. Yes. That is the subjective experience. And yet there is still a genetic Peter, a social Peter, a professional Peter I believe that is her main point. No need for each to be digging trenches. Why does Peter still all the time express himself with the waking state language in his enlightened state if
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. I wonder what this phrase means, unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji. It suggests a continued respect and affection for Maharishi despite all the policies and plans that Farrokh so scornfully dismisses. Perhaps Farrokh subscribes to the Bob Brigante school of thought that Maharishi is pure but has surrounded himself with inepts. So if Maharishi called Farrokh to Holland or called him on the phone and said , you should charge 2,500 for every instruction and you should get recertified, do you think he would accept Maharishi's instruction.as a devotee that is, as he appears very much to be devoted. OffWorld The problem is, Farrokh had a successful program going with those Missouri judges using TM in sentencing at a couple hundred a pop, and when the judges balked at $2500/pop, Farrokh had a real problem: either lose much of the judges interest in TM, or go on his own teaching TM independently. He chose the latter, and there is a possibility that not only is the price different, but other compromises may have been made when Farrokh adapted TM into his program: The Transcendental Stress Management program is an adaptation of the Transcendental Meditation program for rehabilitation and criminal justice reform. http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm The judge that is supposedly the head of this Transcendental Stress Mgmt program is not a TM teacher, so it's unlikely that all the TM guidelines are being followed. The TMO invited the judges to the conference to try to talk them into abandoning their effort, most likely, but that's probably not going to work. Farrokh was not invited because the TMO probably saw him as being irretrievably off track because he told the judges how to teach imitation TM. Bob, Do you know that the judges are teaching imitation TM or is Farrokh just doing the initiating for a reduced fee? I suspect the latter but I'm only guessing... JohnY ** I don't know what they are doing -- that's why I used the word probably several times. However, in the absence of a specific statement by the TESP people, maybe they dumped the puja in addition to the TMO-mandated fee. I may be overreacting to the prominent display of Judge Mason's photo at the top of the site ( http://enlightenedsentencing.org/about-us.htm ), which would indicate to me that non-TM teachers are driving the organization, and might think that the puja is not essential to teaching TM. Some posters here have indicated an interest in contacting Farrokh -- maybe we'll hear an explicit statement about whether TESP is TM at a lower price, or modified in some way. I'm a little unhappy with the fact that old statements about this TM- in-sentencing thing have been changed to only talk about the Transcendental Stress Management Program: By significantly increasing stress-coping ability, enhancing clarity of thinking and enhancing self-esteem, the Transcendental Stress Management program supplements traditional rehabilitative programs. It helps students develop internal counseling on the streets to support the external counseling received in traditional programs. Hon. Judge David C. Mason May 7, 1997 ** Originally, this statement said the Transcendental Meditation Program, not TESP, and there was concern among the judges about the puja: http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/96-97/10-30-96.html#judge Bob http://geocities.com/bbrigante Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] 'New Technology/'Slows The Speed of Light'
IBM has created a chip that can slow down light, the latest advance in an industrywide effort to develop computers that will use only a fraction of the energy of today's machines. The chip, called a photonic silicon waveguide, is a piece of silicon dotted with arrays of tiny holes. Scattered systematically by the holes, light shown on the chip slows down to 1/300th of its ordinary speed of 186,000 miles per second. In a computer system, slower light pulses could carry data rapidly, but in an orderly fashion. The light can be further slowed by applying an electric field to the waveguide. Researchers at Harvard University and the University of California, Berkeley, have slowed light in laboratories. IBM, though, claims that its light-slowing device is the first to be fashioned out of fairly standard materials, potentially paving the way toward commercial adoption. A number of companies and university researchers are currently tinkering with ways to replace the electronic components inside computers, which ferry signals with electrons, with optical technology. Optical equipment ferries data on photons, the smallest measure of light. Photons are far faster. More important, optical equipment generates less heat, curbing the growing problem of heat and power consumption. The catch, however, is that until recently, creating optical components has been more of an art than a science. The components cost a lot to make and can't be cranked out in the millions like silicon chips. Another factor: Optical parts are typically big, unlike silicon chips, which measure only a few millimeters on a side. Progress in blending the best of both technologies is advancing rapidly, however. Intel has demonstrated a Raman laser fashioned from silicon. Intel and start-up Luxtera have shown off silicon modulators, which chop up the light from a laser so that it can represent data. IBM's silicon waveguide, as the name suggests, would channel light pulses created by the laser and modulator. When the optical conversion might start to occur is a matter of speculation. Luxtera has said it will start to commercially produce products in 2007. The computer industry, however, tends to move slowly when it comes to major overhauls of computer architecture. Several components will have to be developed before photos can replace electrons inside computers. A paper providing details on the chip will run in Nature on Wednesday. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey
I'm ok all things considered. Living in a ghost town. Got a good chef's job. Getting a new car. Wife has to commute 100 miles to work. I have a good chef's job but no employees to hire because Rallys and Burger King are hiring cooks for 12 bucks an hour with 500 dollar signing bonuses. Houstons is paying dishwashers thirteen bucks an hour. So I can't get any cooks to actually cook for ten bucks an hour so I get to work myself to literal death. Operating out of this lonely charnel ground, Yours Truely, over and out for the night. Peace. - Original Message - From: jyouells2000 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 9:06 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Hey --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Llundrub" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: HeyHey yourself, good to see your typing ;-) How are you? JohnY To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: US Constitution
Well, I see you are more versed in the origins of the No Confidence Vote, Which many parliments around the world have adopted. And you know, that this President, would not be elected again; For even another nano-second.. If we could have another vote... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Constitution was definely an improvement over the arrogant Monarchy's of the time; And if you were a Protestant white male; it seemed pretty good. And, it still does, pretty much, with amendments to balance the inequities of the founding fathers. Trouble with the Constitution now is: We have a totally incompetent President; With little recourse to replace him; To bad the founding father's' Didn't forsee a George Bush; As a simple vote of: 'No Confidence'; Would work wonders now... Other than that; We're stuck with this A-hole; For another 3 years? Uh, oh! On the one hand Dear Robert You tell us that The constitution was definitely an improvement over the arrogant Monarchy of the Time And then you tell us that Too bad the founding fathers Didn't foresee having a no confidence vote So as to do away with a George Bush But You idiot The so-called arrogant Monarchy of the Time As you put it Was part and parcel Of the British Parliamentary System WHICH INVENTED THE CONCEPT OF THE NON-CONFIDENCE VOTE In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jason Spock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a speech and Link, http://www.fuckthesouth.com ---OriginalMessage-- From: Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 14:31:41 -0600 Subject: [FairfieldLife] US Constitution Another question from a friend: a few years ago Hagelin gave a commencement speech at MSAE about how corrupt the u.s. constitution is - do you or anyone remember that speech? Wow! Hagelin needs to drink more vata tea! ;) It's hard to imagine how the Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt, since it's just a piece of paper. I wonder if he might have been saying the U.S. *Congress* was corrupt, and Rick's friend just got the C-words confused. I suspect Hagelin would have been directly referring to the U.S. Constitution, Judy. And the reason is because it would have been in the context of what MMY was talking about at that time, which was constitutions of man and nature. That, coupled with the fact that the U.S. is deemed as corrupt in all shapes and forms by MMY, and one could see how Hagelin very well could have referred to the U.S. Constitution in such a manner. Of course, I agree with you that it's hard to see how the U.S. Constitution could be portrayed as corrupt. All such documents would be corrupt in comparison to the Constitution of the Universe... ...spoken like a true indoctrinated cult member... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 6:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. You don't think the Indian TMO is dysfunctional? From what I hear it's much worse than in the West. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Dillbeck lays TMO seige to St. Louis Enlightened Sentencing
Jeez, this is quite a complete criticism that Farrokh gives of the whole TMO and its culture now. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77997 Yes, different from reading the Fairfield Ledger, in opening FairfieldLife I mostly look for info on FF and the meditating community here. A lot of what does get posted gits skimmed over or not looked at by subject heading but this odd topic one (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/77911 ) though not directly about FF or the TMO by subsequent relationship did eventually sort of work. Seeking its connection to FFL from http://www.spunk.org/library/otherpol/critique/sp000859.txt There was this morsel buried in it that seemed relevant to FF and the TMO? a protective gang who would fight other gangs, formed for the same purpose, and thus bring about the degeneration of society into the chaos of gang rule, i.e., Sort of like by example Dillbeck being sic'ed on the St. Louis TM sentencing project? Was it to bring St Louis in to trademark line or was it really more about loalty testing the Dillbeck for his place in the court? A mob-style members testing in making them `make bones'. Dillbeck used to be a pretty good regular real kind of guy. Sort of like some of the others in the middle of this left doing this kind of work as the ends justify the means mortal corruption. Seems a lousy place for a nice guy to be. Conversely, may be he is disqualified and not a nice guy anymore in the community like some of them? - --- In FairfieldLife Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farrokh Anklesaria has been running the Enlightened Sentencing Project in St. Louis from its inception. This is the program in which judges sentence people to practice TM. A while back a conference was organized at MUM and the judges were invited, but Bevan prevented Farrokh from attending. Judging from the following letter, Farrokh decided to run this project independently and it was Michael Dillbeck's responsibility to shut him down. This is Farrokh's response: Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 08:26:14 -0500 To: Raja Michael Dillbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Farrokh Ruffina Anklesaria [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Your activities Dear Michael: There are things enough in the movement to cause us all, and you, consternation and dismay. Our not being re-certified, as many thousands of teachers, should not be one of them. We, like all the disenfranchised ex-TM teachers, are not under your jurisdiction or anyone else's! You and other leaders should save your intimidation tactics and pontification for your handful of re-certified teachers. We have no interest in having our research published in the movement's volume of scientific research. Don't delude yourself into thinking that we want to be in the in crowd. (In, of course, refers to the in-sane crowd who wish to be certified accordingly!) You guys have never appreciated our work here with the 15 judges and what it means in terms of reversal of the NJ court cases. Our consternation and surprise at the behavior of the movement's leadership is amplified by the many thousands of ex-TM teachers around the world whose TM centers are all closed as the movement tries to rebuild the entire world and to face every building eastwards! The movement can't run one small university (MUM enjoys one of the lowest ranks in the US) or its own small movement (more TM teachers are now OUT of the movement than in), but it wants to rule the world! Fat chance! Don't come knocking on our door when the movement needs legal support, as they did in the NC property case (Steve Rubin had us send all our tapes and endorsements to the movement's lawyers) and when Richard Beall tried to establish his charter school in NC. And don't come asking for endorsements from the judges either. The movement's leadership has entirely overlooked the hard work done by the judges, especially Judge Mason, against a hostile press, the ACLU and a judicial commission investigating him, for his involvement in TM. Small and petty thinking is the order of the day instead by Messrs. Bevan, John and company. We are quite happy with our work and don't need pompous rajas lording it over us. You and your cohorts should not bother to call us unless you have been specifically instructed by Maharishiji to do so. And by the way, we know very well that you KNEW we were not re- certified. Your assertion that you didn't was downright dishonest! And Michael, don't delude yourself into believing that too many people are paying you guys attention. You all put on a good show for entertainment - capes, crowns, gowns, limos, bagpipes and all - but that's about all. The
[FairfieldLife] The Grants, was: Letter from Farrokh
on 11/2/05 7:58 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I knew about Sam, what is jamie doing now? Doesn't he have a house on the campus? They're trying to sell it. I think they're running a Peace Palace somewhere in California. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Letter from Farrokh
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 11/2/05 6:18 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the current dysfunctionalization of the TMO outside of India is intentional -- only India counts from here on out, because only India can support the revival of Vedic civilization. You don't think the Indian TMO is dysfunctional? From what I hear it's much worse than in the West. * Yeah, everything about India is a mess, but not by design, as is the case with the miscues of the TMO in the West. The price of TM instruction has not been raised in India, which indicates that MMY does not want to put any barriers to expansion of the movement there, and India must be successful if the world is going to change: In the mou.org Press Conference 26 June 2002, Maharishi said: India is the only country which can assume a parental role for every country of the world with this knowledge of the Veda, with this total knowledge of Natural Law, the Will of God. And everything is possible under the protective nature of the Will of God, invincible God. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Diwali Parade of Sweets
From today's New York Times: November 2, 2005 Festival of Lights, Parade of Sweets By JULIA MOSKIN NEW YORKERS have learned to tread fearlessly in the world of real Indian food. They know pakoras from samosas and dabble in idlis and utthappams. But a confusing cloud often looms over the end of those meals: the sweet, colorful, mysteriously milky world of Indian desserts Indian sweets, called mithai, are a thing apart, served alone or with a cup of chai for an afternoon or late-night snack that is both stimulating and soothing. Although they are made from simple ingredients, like butter, milk, nuts and spices, they take wild forms and colors, like pumpkin-orange jalebi filled with sugar syrup and hot-pink Twinkie-shaped chumchums, a specialty of West Bengal, the capital of Indian confectionery. Mithai are like physical therapy for Indians, says Arun Sinha, owner of Foods of India on Lexington Avenue. You come home after work, you have one small piece, you eat it slowly and you become completely relaxed. And when you ask for another piece, your wife must say, No! The festive piles of pink, green, yellow, orange and white sweets, some shimmering with silver leaf, others snowy with shreds of coconut or crunchy with nuggets of pistachio, are integral to many religious celebrations and social rituals in South Asia. This week...Hindus observe the festival of lights, Diwali, or Deepavali, which ushers in the new year; Muslims finish the holy month of Ramadan with Id al-Fitr, which signals the end of the monthlong daytime fast and a return to the sweetness of daily life. The two holidays, Hindus and Muslims here say, are utterly soaked in sugar. You cannot go to anyone's house at this time of year without a quarter-pound of something sweet, says Padma Dasgupta, a writer in Jericho, N.Y Mithai are integral to many ceremonial occasions - the first gift of an Indian bride to the family of her betrothed is often 50 pounds of top-quality mithai - but none more so than Diwali, which is observed by sending elaborate gift boxes of sweets, dried fruit and nuts to family and friends. (Crowds of Diwali shoppers were targets of terrorist bombs that killed about 60 people in New Delhi on Saturday, a reminder of the region's dangerous divisions, even at a time of religious unity in a sweet ritual.)... But mithai also have a real spiritual significance for Hindus. Sweetmaking has been an honored culinary specialty in India since the time of the ancient Vedic texts, about 1000 B.C.; the word sugar is most likely descended from the Sanskrit sarkar. And the cult of dairy goes even further back. Ghee and milk are adored in India, almost worshiped, Mr. Sukhadia said. The cow is everyone's mother. (Thus, most Hindus do not eat beef.) Lord Krishna, the most beloved of the creator-gods worshiped by Hindus, is often depicted as a fun-loving boy, always dipping his fingers into the butter churn. In Indian culture his attraction to milkmaids is a frequent theme, and in sacred images he is almost always accompanied by a bull. The holiday of Diwali, though, is dedicated to Lord Ganesha and his sister Lakshmi. Ganesha is the god with an elephant's head who presides over all kinds of new enterprises; he is often shown with a plate of his favorite mithai, boondi laddoos: round, crunchy sweets flavored with cardamom that resemble Rice Krispies treats. Boondi laddoos are offered to Ganesha as prasadam, or offering, during Diwali. Lakshmi, the goddess of wealth and good fortune, is best propitiated with the most brightly colored mithai, preferably shining with shards of edible silver or gold, called vark. During Diwali, everyone is expected to give mithai to the poor, and sweetmakers make once-a-year treats like ghughra: turnovers filled with mawa (rather like sweet ricotta), coconut and nuts, and deep- fried in ghee. In the United States, ghee made from butter is often called desi ghee to distinguish it from vegetable-based substitutes; the word desi, which means something close to countryman, always evokes a strong, authentic connection to the homeland for the Indian diaspora Read more at: http://tinyurl.com/8fzkk Mail order sweets on the Web: Bengali Sweet House http://www.bengalisweet.com/ Sukhadia's http://www.sukhadia.com/index_main.asp?sid=214713392 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
