[FairfieldLife] Re: Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 7/12/06 6:02:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> "The  Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Fairfield, Iowa, 
> >  advises its students that they can take out a loan with
Citigroup. It 
> >  costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can be 
> >  repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime plus
1.50  
> > percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. 
> > 
> >  _http://tinyurl.http://ti_ (http://tinyurl.com/rabjm) 
> 
> The  first figure I tried sounded too high so I tried
> a second simple interest  calculator on the Web, and
> it says that after 10 years, taking advantage of  this
> "deal" would mean that learning TM only cost you  $4937.50.
> 
> 
> 
> But certainly if you got a citigroup loan to learn TM you  should be
able to 
> add to that loan for Advanced techniques every year and a half  and get 
> siddhis .
>

Next - Enlightenment Bank ... Stapathya Veda Line of Credit? 

JohnY





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[FairfieldLife] 'Play -The Summer of Love/Maharishi/ 'The King of Mysticism'

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel



  THEATER  The summer of ‘Love’ (Gay)A new production transports ‘Love’s Labors Lost’ to India in the swinging ’60s   By PATRICK FOLLIARD   Hank Stratton (left), Michael Milligan, Erik Steele, Amir Arison and Aubrey Deeker look like the Sgt. Pepper-era Beatles in the Shakespeare Theatre Company’s ‘Love’s Labors Lost.’ (Photo by Carol Rosegg)   Wednesday, July 12, 2006When
 directing Shakespeare, Michael Kahn, longtime gay artistic director of the Shakespeare Theatre Company, refuses to play fast and loose with period settings. Sometimes he makes an exception, but only when it illuminates the play in some way. Moving his theater’s current offering “Love’s Labors Lost” from long ago Navarre to India circa the swinging 1960s, is one such case.  Specifically, Kahn has set the action at an ashram where Ferdinand the King of Navarre (Amir Arison looking like a sexy guru) has traded a life of courtly comforts for one of ascetic mysticism. Not unlike the Maharishi Yogi who gave guidance to the Beatles and other truth-seeking ’60s celebs, Ferdinand is joined by band mates Berowne (Hank Stratton), Longaville (Erik Steele) and Dumaine (Aubrey Deeker) who dash on stage chased by a wave of bursting flash bulbs and squealing fans.   The king persuades the overindulged rock stars to join him for three years in
 abstaining from earthly pleasures, particularly women.   Things quickly change when the fetching Princess of France (Clair Lautier) and her glam girl gang — Rosaline (Sabrina LeBeauf best remembered from “The Cosby Show”), Katherine (Colleen Delaney who successfully draws on her usual intensity for laughs) and Maria (Angela Pierce) — arrive on the scene seated atop Crayola-colored Vespas.  RIFE WITH RELENTLESS rhyming couplets, wordplay and witty banter, this early Shakespearean work is a battle of wits with these ladies outsmarting the gents at every turn. Undaunted, the band pursues its icy quarry as best the members know how, setting sonnets to rock ‘n’ roll.   “Love’s Labor’s Lost” is arguably Shakespeare’s most feminist work; repeatedly in the play, restrictive gender roles of the Bard’s time are blatantly scrapped. How very ‘60s! Not only has the confident princess been sent to do business
 with Ferdinand in her feeble father’s stead, but she and her fierce female friends excel at keeping the love struck men in check.   Rather than the usual curtain of all’s well that ends well with couples locked in happy clinches, here the princess and company accept their suitors only on the condition that they prove their worthiness by spending a year secluded in monkish devotion. RALPH FUNICELLO’S KALEIDOSCOPIC set explodes with colorful Indian details, pop art clouds and palm trees, while Mark Doubleday’s lighting blasts the stage with bright sunshine. Tony winner Catherine Zuber costumes the long-haired men in soft bell-bottoms and flowing, filmy tunics. The women are more Nancy Sinatra than Janice Joplin. With armor-like teased hair, jump suits, stiff mini dresses and white vinyl go-go boots, they’re invulnerable.  The ensemble cast includes STC vet Ted van Griethuysen as Holofernes, the pedantic schoolteacher, and a hilarious
 David Sabin as the parson Nathaniel. As befuddled Don Adriano Armado, Geraint Wyn Davies amusingly channels both Salvador Dali and Benny Hill.  And Michael Milligan fittingly plays the addled clown Costard as — what else — a total stoner.   After ending its run in D.C., Kahn is taking his “Love’s Labors Lost” to Stratford-upon-Avon, England, where it will be featured in the Royal Shakespeare Company’s festival “The Complete Works.” 
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[FairfieldLife] Sunday creationists

2006-07-12 Thread matrixmonitor
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Are Bevan's Days Numbered?'

2006-07-12 Thread shempmcgurk
Cashew
Walnut
Peanut
Macadamia
Pine
Gimbel...



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> In the last interview with Maharishi;
>   Bevan demonstrated once again;
>   His lack of taking responsibility;
>   For his tricks and trades;
>   Of misinformation to His Holiness, as Bevan likes to call him.
>   I will never understand how a 5 ft, Holy Man from India;
>   Who sat at the feet of Guru Dev;
>   This cute little guy; so loving and innocent;
>   Would put in charge, a heavyweight like The Bevy.
>   Bevan seems to be to me like one of those guy's from Chicago;
>   That you just don't mess with;
>   I remember my first meeting with him;
>   Was to receive the instructions of the Sutras of Pantajali;
>   Which at the time, Maharishi was charging quite a bit for, 
embarrassing to remember the amount, in a way.
>   Anyway, last week, Bevan asked the question of Maharishi,
>   About the meaning of placing one of the 'Peace Palace's in 
the 'middle' of a nation;
>   He failed to tell Maharishi, in his question to His Holiness:
>   That the stupid publicity they got on the Kansas of Oz deal;
>   Is why Mahesh was pissed in the first place.
>   Because, and get this Bevan: Maharishi wants good publicity:
>   Not bad press, and when people angle their way up the scale of 
power;
>   And hide the truth from the Master, that is blasphemy in my book.
>   My idea, is to auction of the "Prime Ministership" on EBAY;
>   And sell to the highest bidder;
>   Besides Maharishi's eyes will light up;
>   At the thought of dumping 'ol Bev;
>   And making a fortune doing it...
>
>   R.G.  Madison,WI.
> 
>   
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[FairfieldLife] True Meditation

2006-07-12 Thread larry.potter
( Some of you might know Adyashanti, I like his writings which I 
read from time to time on his site )


True meditation has no direction, goals, or method. All methods aim 
at achieving a certain state of mind. All states are limited, 
impermanent and conditioned. Fascination with states leads only to 
bondage and dependency. True meditation is abidance as primordial 
consciousness.

True meditation appears in consciousness spontaneously when 
awareness is not fixated on objects of perception. When you first 
start to meditate you notice that awareness is always focused on 
some object: on thoughts, bodily sensations, emotions, memories, 
sounds, etc. This is because the mind is conditioned to focus and 
contract upon objects. Then the mind compulsively interprets what it 
is aware of (the object) in a mechanical and distorted way. It 
begins to draw conclusions and make assumptions according to past 
conditioning. 

In true meditation all objects are left to their natural 
functioning. This means that no effort should be made to manipulate 
or suppress any object of awareness. In true meditation the emphasis 
is on being awareness; not on being aware of objects, but on resting 
as primordial awareness itself. Primordial awareness (consciousness) 
is the source in which all objects arise and subside. As you gently 
relax into awareness, into listening, the minds compulsive 
contraction around objects will fade. Silence of being will come 
more clearly into consciousness as a welcoming to rest and abide. An 
attitude of open receptivity, free of any goal or anticipation, will 
facilitate the presence of silence and stillness to be revealed as 
your natural condition.

Silence and stillness are not states and therefore cannot be 
produced or created. Silence is the non-state in which all states 
arise and subside. Silence, stillness and awareness are not states 
and can never be perceived in their totality as objects. Silence is 
itself the eternal witness without form or attributes. As you rest 
more profoundly as the witness, all objects take on their natural 
functionality, and awareness becomes free of the mind's compulsive 
contractions and identifications, and returns to its natural non-
state of Presence.

The simple yet profound question, "Who Am I ?," can then reveal 
one's self not to be the endless tyranny of the ego-personality, but 
objectless Freedom of Being - "Primordial Consciousness in which all 
states and all objects come and go as manifestations of the Eternal 
Unborn Self that YOU ARE. 

~ Adyashanti







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[FairfieldLife] Re: For any of us who think that war is noble, or necessa...

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> In a message dated 7/12/06 9:20:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
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> > I  wonder if Poland ever thought war was necessary.
> >
> its  2006...
> 
> 
> 
> Oh, yeah Sat Yuga
>
I'd rather build the bridge to it, than shut the door on it.






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[FairfieldLife] Did you know that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people?

2006-07-12 Thread larry.potter
We have all been had!

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---
Posted: March 22, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Sharon Nader Sloan

Did you know that there was never any country called Palestine? Did 
you know that there is no such thing as a Palestinian people? 

The ideas that the West Bank and Gaza are occupied Palestinian land, 
and that the Palestinian people are fighting for their land, have 
been accepted by most of the governments of the world and by most of 
the media in the world. But if you read on, you will see that these 
two claims are the biggest lies ever deliberately perpetrated on 
humanity. 

Check out any map of the Middle East and see for yourself. You will 
find Palestine listed as a region as it always has been, but 
definitely not a country. We can locate the Mojave Desert on the 
map, but we still do not recognize it as our 51st state, let alone a 
country. Similarly, the region of Siberia is a region not a state. 
Or the Sahara is a region not a state, etc. Neither is Palestine a 
state. It never was a country, just a region. 

Importantly, the Jews did not displace anyone, because no one 
permanently resided there. It was a land inhabited by nomadic, 
Bedouin tribes. The whole region was nothing but deserts and swamps. 
Only about 120,000 Arabs resided in an area that covered the 
territories, the state of Israel and Jordan. When Mark Twain visited 
the area, he wrote he found nothing but a wasteland. 

During the 19 years that the territories – including Jerusalem and 
Gaza – were occupied by the kingdoms of Jordan and Egypt, no one 
talked about a Palestinian state … not the Arab countries, not the 
United Nations. Nobody asked Jordan or Egypt to abdicate their 
ownership and give it to the Palestinians. Not even the Palestinians 
themselves said anything about a Palestinian state or a Palestinian 
people, because nobody heard of a Palestinian people. It never 
existed. 

The fact simply is that there are no Palestinians. These people are 
Arabs like all other Arabs, and they happen to live in a region 
called Palestine. They are not a separate people. 

What makes a separate people? Religion, language, culture, garb, 
cuisine, etc. The Arabs in Palestine speak the same language, 
practice the same religion, have the same culture, etc., as all the 
other Arabs. The few minor differences that exist between them are 
like the minor differences that exist between the Welsh, the Scots, 
and the Londoners. They are still all Britons. Yankees and 
Southerners have the same minor differences, but they are still all 
Americans. People in the south of France are quite different from 
the people in the north, but they are still all French. These 
inconsequential differences do not make a people. 

The Arabs living in Syria or Jordan, etc., are also the same Arabs, 
but they are each a separate nation because they each have a 
separate country. The so-called Palestinians want a separate country 
because they claim to be a separate nation. They are not. They were 
never a separate people before the new state of Israel. How did they 
become one now? 

Because of these lies, the so-called Palestinians feel justified in 
sending suicide bombers to kill women, children, babies, old men, 
old women and noncombatant citizens. Because of these lies, the 
United Nations and the media of the world are condemning Israel who 
is acting less harshly than any other country would act in 
retaliation for such heinous attacks. What is the United States 
doing in Afghanistan, a totally foreign country? Killing 
Afghanistanis. Why? Because they attacked us on Sept. 11. I 
understand this. But why do they not understand that that is exactly 
what Israel is doing, only on a much smaller scale? 

Ask yourself this: Should the use of terror ever be rewarded? When 
is the use of terrorism justified as a military tactic? As a 
political tactic? As an economic tactic? What implications does this 
hold for future conflicts? 

Let us examine the truths here: 

1) There never was a Palestinian state or a Palestinian nation. 
There are no Palestinian people, per se. Rather, these are Arabs 
living in a region that historically has been called many things, 
including "Palestine." 

2) Israel did not go to war against a Palestinian state and occupy 
its land. Rather, Israel was attacked by six Arab countries at once. 
She defended herself, defeated her attackers, and won the so-called 
territories, not from the Palestinians, but from Jordan and Egypt. 

3) Jerusalem was never the capital of any state but Israel. It was 
certainly never the capital of a country that never existed. Why 
should the Palestinians get any part of it? Because they want it? 
Because they have terrorists? 

4) Jerusalem, under the current Israeli control, is a free and open 
city. Israel, as a democracy, guarantees freedom of religion within 
its borders. Contrast this fact with areas that have come under 
P

[FairfieldLife] 'Conflict- War- Israel/Palestine; U,S./ Iraq mess...'

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel
All of this talk about how is right and who is wrong,
Whether we see what is happening in Israel;
Or what is happening in Bagadad;
All have one thing in common...
That life has become so chaotic, desperate, and murderous;
That human life becomes sucesptible to the urge for suicide;
The ultimate cult worship is that of suicide;
When a human soul, decides and determines;
That they will commit suicide, for their cause;
Then your in real trouble;
Thank God above, that we don't have these 'home-grown'
Maniacs in the United States, so it seems;
Because as one Palesinian told me at the bus station;
At Pittsburg, on way back to Wisc.
He said to me: 'This is a really good country;
You feel safe here; people are nice here;
My wife is back there, in Palestine, with 4 childs.
Good Luck I wished him, good-bye...
So, how do we heal a world,
Where people are willing to follow the demon voice of suicide;
It happened in Japan also:
And as history shows, that 'Suicide Demon, is a big one, for sure!'
As in ended up there in a mushroom cloud, for real...
And another muchroom cloud for real.
So, you suicider's listen to that Devil Force,
That evil one who Jesus called:
"The murderer since the beggining of Time.
You keep on keeping of the path of suicide;
You evil, evil one.
And you do it in the name of Allah!!
You should be ashamed, you Bastard.
YOu should be downcast and kiss the ground;
To beg forgiveness from the Karma;
For you are evil when you listen to the voice of suicide.
The voice of suicide, the Israel's have to deal with.
The voice of suicide the U.S. GI's in Iraq, have to deal with.
To watch the face of your body, get shredded;
That memory will never fade,. really, for lifetimes..
So, you suicider's you must give up of all hell will break loose!






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[FairfieldLife] 'Are Bevan's Days Numbered?'

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel



In the last interview with Maharishi;  Bevan demonstrated once again;  His lack of taking responsibility;  For his tricks and trades;  Of misinformation to His Holiness, as Bevan likes to call him.  I will never understand how a 5 ft, Holy Man from India;  Who sat at the feet of Guru Dev;  This cute little guy; so loving and innocent;  Would put in charge, a heavyweight like The Bevy.  Bevan seems to be to me like one of those guy's from Chicago;  That you just don't mess with;  I remember my first meeting with him;  Was to receive the instructions of the Sutras of Pantajali;  Which at the time, Maharishi was charging quite a bit for, embarrassing to remember the amount, in a way.  Anyway, last week, Bevan asked the question of Maharishi,  About the meaning of placing one of the 'Peace Palace's in the
 'middle' of a nation;  He failed to tell Maharishi, in his question to His Holiness:  That the stupid publicity they got on the Kansas of Oz deal;  Is why Mahesh was pissed in the first place.  Because, and get this Bevan: Maharishi wants good publicity:  Not bad press, and when people angle their way up the scale of power;  And hide the truth from the Master, that is blasphemy in my book.  My idea, is to auction of the "Prime Ministership" on EBAY;  And sell to the highest bidder;  Besides Maharishi's eyes will light up;  At the thought of dumping 'ol Bev;  And making a fortune doing it...     R.G.  Madison,WI. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Israel & terrorism

2006-07-12 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "kabbalist1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ( with regard to nablus108 ).
> > > > 
> > > > I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly 
> > > lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose 
> > terrible 
> > > leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible 
> > > murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and children. 
> > > > 
> > > > I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for 
> you.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >>http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8
> > > 
> > > >> Aggression Under False Pretenses 
> > >
> > >
> > > The aggression comes from the Palestinians side,
> > >   To remind you, or to tell you, since you conveniently left 
> out, 
> > that Palestinians murdered of 18-year-old Eliyahu Asheri two and 
a 
> > half weeks ago.
> > >   Including that Hamas terrorists firing rockets and mortar 
> bombs 
> > for weeks. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of 
> > Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and Sunday 
> > morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was 
> wounded, 
> > Israel officials said.
> > >
> > >   Now, what would you think, USA will do (or any other country 
> for 
> > that matter) if, let's say Mexico, will be constantly shooting 
> > rockets on USA cities and civilians. I'm just curious to know, 
how 
> > USA will react in your opinion.
> > >
> > >
> > >   http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
> > cid=1150885975162&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
> > >
> > >
> > >   so, there is more to it than one soldier as Haniyeh is 
falsely 
> > trying to paint.
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > > 
> > Palestine is occupied by Israel, the land has been annected. They 
> > are at war. 
> 
> The other way around.
 
It's always "the other way around" for the israelis. 
 
Their logic is twisted and evil. 

What you do not see is that Israel is fighting a lost war. When the 
americans no longer are willing to pay for your criminal ways, and 
this could happen fast, Israel will have to change it's militant and 
aggressive attitude towards it's neighbours. 
The Palestinians will have their rightfull land, and the israelis 
will have their rightfull safety, albeit, since they are basically 
thieves, on radically less square miles than today.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For any of us who think that war is noble, or necessa...

2006-07-12 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/12/06 9:20:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
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> I 
  wonder if Poland ever thought war was necessary.>its 
  2006...

Oh, yeah Sat Yuga
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  
wrote:
> > >
> > > "The Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in 
Fairfield, 
> Iowa, 
> > > advises its students that they can take out a loan with 
Citigroup. 
> It 
> > > costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can 
be 
> > > repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime 
plus 
> 1.50 
> > > percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. 
> > > 
> > > http://tinyurl.com/rabjm
> > 
> > So, over 10 years with simple interest, that would
> > be a total cost of $6,338.48. Such a deal.
> >
> Point taken, though my car cost ~3 times as much, and hasn't taken 
me 
> nearly as far... YMMV...
>

YMMV = Your Mileage may vary.

How did I figure that out?  I looked it up on 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
> >
> > "The Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Fairfield, 
Iowa, 
> > advises its students that they can take out a loan with Citigroup. 
It 
> > costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can be 
> > repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime plus 
1.50 
> > percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. 
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/rabjm
> 
> So, over 10 years with simple interest, that would
> be a total cost of $6,338.48. Such a deal.
>
Point taken, though my car cost ~3 times as much, and hasn't taken me 
nearly as far... YMMV...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: For any of us who think that war is noble, or necessary...

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
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> I wonder if Poland ever thought war was necessary.
>
its 2006...





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Re: [FairfieldLife] For any of us who think that war is noble, or necessary...

2006-07-12 Thread MDixon6569





I wonder if Poland ever thought war was necessary.  

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- Alex Stanley 
> > wrote:

> > > > On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in
> > > > > fact, I'd say it's not for the vast majority
> > > > > of people). What bugs me, though, is that the
> > > > > TM TB has to portray my dropping TM as a case
> > > > > of me being weak and unwilling.

> > > Waking Down must have fixed it because I can
> > > meditate all I want now.
> > > Or maybe, just *maybe*, my thalamus had nothing to
> > > do with it.
> > 
> > No, no! There MUST be something wrong with you
> > because...because...well, just because!
> 
> Whoever said or implied there was something wrong with Alex?

Well, we do know he's paranoid.  ;-)



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread MDixon6569






In a message dated 7/12/06 6:02:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
"The 
  Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Fairfield, Iowa, > 
  advises its students that they can take out a loan with Citigroup. It > 
  costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can be > 
  repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime plus 1.50 
  > percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. > > 
  http://tinyurl.com/rabjmThe 
  first figure I tried sounded too high so I trieda second simple interest 
  calculator on the Web, andit says that after 10 years, taking advantage of 
  this"deal" would mean that learning TM only cost you 
$4937.50.

But certainly if you got a citigroup loan to learn TM you 
should be able to add to that loan for Advanced techniques every year and a half 
and get siddhis .
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[FairfieldLife] For any of us who think that war is noble, or necessary...

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
or that we are bringing democracy to Iraq:

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "The Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Fairfield, Iowa, 
> advises its students that they can take out a loan with Citigroup. It 
> costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can be 
> repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime plus 1.50 
> percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/rabjm

So, over 10 years with simple interest, that would
be a total cost of $6,338.48. Such a deal. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> 'Black and White terms' is the same thing as creating seperatness.
> The philosophy is divide and conquer.
> We have two contries now, divided into red and blue states.

FWIW, "blue states" vs. "red states" is a myth.  There
are very, very few that aren't some shade of purple.

See, for example:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/2004/11/purple_america.html

and

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "The Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Fairfield, Iowa, 
> advises its students that they can take out a loan with Citigroup. It 
> costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can be 
> repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime plus 1.50 
> percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/rabjm

The first figure I tried sounded too high so I tried
a second simple interest calculator on the Web, and
it says that after 10 years, taking advantage of this
"deal" would mean that learning TM only cost you $4937.50.









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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 8:10 AM, sparaig wrote:
> 
> >> Always seemed like a blanket term for 'side effects from unbalanced
> >> meditation practice' and of course that could come from many sources.
> >> It would be interesting to know if other groups who practice mental
> >> mantra meditation experience so many negative side effects (e.g.
> >> Himalayan Institute, Sahaja Samadhi/SSRS, etc.).
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The term is "relaxation-induced anxiety" and it is in the DMS-IV as  
> > a possible side-effect
> > of ANY form of relaxation.  The DSM-IV also refers to the "qi-gong  
> > psychotic reaction"
> > BTW.
> 
> 
> Are you implying that TMO usage of the word, unstressing, is meant to  
> refer to "relaxation-induced anxiety" as described in the DSM-IV (or  
> DSM-IV R)?
>

No, that the DSM-IV identifies unstressing and calls it relaxation-induced 
anxiety.

Unstressing comes from ANY form of relaxation, according to MMY. The deeper the 
level 
of rest, the deeper-rooted the stresses that are healed, and the more intense 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Tm/ Unstressing/ The Pain Body/ Eckart Tolle'

2006-07-12 Thread Peter


--- Robert Gimbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Eckart Tolle has commented on the 'Pain Body' on
> what Maharishi 
> calls 'Unstressing'.
> The pain body, is simply what you are holding in
> your phisiology, 
> body mind emotional body...which keeps blocking the
> full sunshine, 
> from shinig through.
> He says the 'pain body' is what holds you back from
> your
> enlightenment.
> He claims that the pain body is actually part and
> parcel the stucture
> of the ego; 'A Course in Miracles' uses the same
> analogy, that the
> ego, and it's various forms is what blocks the light
> of Being from
> shining through completely.
> Anyway, Eckart seems to think, that the so-called
> pain body;
> Likes to re-enforce itself; with what Maharishi
> would call
> unstressing.
> In other words, when you are feeling over-shadowed
> by some emotion or
> some overwheming physical symptom, or anything that
> you feel
> uncomfortable about- that is the perception of your
> pain body, being
> felt(Maharishi also, used the term "Sleeping
> Elephants")
> Anyway, by continueing to meditate and 'witness'
> this pain body;
> It eventually brings the awareness to whatever needs
> to be healed and
> released;
> So, he says, when someone pushes you button, and you
> feel like
> attacking back; this will only serve to embolden the
> old pattern held
> in the pain body;
> And the only real way to heal the pain body- is to
> not react- just
> watch how this pain body is manifesting and don't
> react.
> Just witness-just watch, and this helps it to be
> released.
> There's an instruction for checking which say:
> When there is an overwhelming feeling or physical
> sensation in the
> body which makes it hard to think the mantra;
> Than back off the mantra, and just let the awareness
> be with the
> sensation, and this will help to release it: then
> return to the
> mantra, when it is comfortable to do so.
> So, in essence, just by allowing the awareness to be
> with the part of
> the body or emotion, witnessing it, helps it to heal
> and be released.
> According to Eckart, when all of the pain body is
> healed,
> enlightenment dawns.
> He also suggests, that countries and cultures, also
> have "Pain
> Bodies".
> And that you can feel it when you get off a plane,
> say in Germany;
> Where it feels, 'much heavier' , than in the United
> States...

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > > 
> > > > And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in
> > fact, I'd say it's
> > > > not for the vast majority of people). What bugs
> > me, though, is
> > > > that the TM TB has to portray my dropping TM as
> > a case of me
> > > > being weak and unwilling.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Hey, lets be fair, you could have a dysfunctional
> > thalamus! :-)
> > > 
> > > I'd get an EEG next time you get your oil changed
> > if I were you! :-)))
> > 
> > Waking Down must have fixed it because I can
> > meditate all I want now.
> > Or maybe, just *maybe*, my thalamus had nothing to
> > do with it.
> 
> No, no! There MUST be something wrong with you
> because...because...well, just because!
> 

Whoever said or implied there was something wrong with Alex? I've had periods 
in my life 
where I was afraid to meditate due to the baggage that was welling up. 





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[FairfieldLife] 'Tm/ Unstressing/ The Pain Body/ Eckart Tolle'

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel
Eckart Tolle has commented on the 'Pain Body' on what Maharishi 
calls 'Unstressing'.
The pain body, is simply what you are holding in your phisiology, 
body mind emotional body...which keeps blocking the full sunshine, 
from shinig through.
He says the 'pain body' is what holds you back from your
enlightenment.
He claims that the pain body is actually part and parcel the stucture
of the ego; 'A Course in Miracles' uses the same analogy, that the
ego, and it's various forms is what blocks the light of Being from
shining through completely.
Anyway, Eckart seems to think, that the so-called pain body;
Likes to re-enforce itself; with what Maharishi would call
unstressing.
In other words, when you are feeling over-shadowed by some emotion or
some overwheming physical symptom, or anything that you feel
uncomfortable about- that is the perception of your pain body, being
felt(Maharishi also, used the term "Sleeping Elephants")
Anyway, by continueing to meditate and 'witness' this pain body;
It eventually brings the awareness to whatever needs to be healed and
released;
So, he says, when someone pushes you button, and you feel like
attacking back; this will only serve to embolden the old pattern held
in the pain body;
And the only real way to heal the pain body- is to not react- just
watch how this pain body is manifesting and don't react.
Just witness-just watch, and this helps it to be released.
There's an instruction for checking which say:
When there is an overwhelming feeling or physical sensation in the
body which makes it hard to think the mantra;
Than back off the mantra, and just let the awareness be with the
sensation, and this will help to release it: then return to the
mantra, when it is comfortable to do so.
So, in essence, just by allowing the awareness to be with the part of
the body or emotion, witnessing it, helps it to heal and be released.
According to Eckart, when all of the pain body is healed,
enlightenment dawns.
He also suggests, that countries and cultures, also have "Pain
Bodies".
And that you can feel it when you get off a plane, say in Germany;
Where it feels, 'much heavier' , than in the United States...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel

 
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > 
> > >In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
> > >
> > >http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
>  Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
> > http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
> >
> John Dean has just written a book about the US government now being 
> in the grip of authoritarians, 99% of whom are conservatives. One 
of 
> the key beliefs of such 'people' is that they see the world always 
> in black and white terms. 
> 
> They feed on those in the population who feel they have lost 
> control, and are fearful as a result. Promising control and safety, 
> the authoritarians promote policies in the world which instead 
> heighten anxiety, leading to a greater slice of the population 
> feeling fearful, and then willing to support the authoritarians. 
> This is how they have become so strong since 9-11.
>

'Black and White terms' is the same thing as creating seperatness.
The philosophy is divide and conquer.
We have two contries now, divided into red and blue states.
When you have seperateness, you have fear- the two go together;
What's really outrageous:
Is how they use Jesus' teaching, which is all about Unity and Love.
And somehow pervert his teaching into fear seperateness, superiority,
money lust, and racism.
That is what I find most disgusting regarding the current 
administration.
Pretending to be compassionate, and 'Religious'.
Give me a break;
These people have one god or perhaps two or three:
Power, money, and fame, ego, nationalism; and all kinds of other 
false gods...





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa (deepening experience of 'Pure Consciousness'.

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Can't speak to the japa issue. Seems reasonable, 
> though. Other comments interleaved below.
> 
> --- Mark  wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible that the criticism of
> > TM, that it doesn't accomplish anything for 
> > many is because the Being by
> > it's nature doesn't do anything 
> 
> I would agree with this ^, and suggest a wrinkle.
> 
> Consciousness is flat and transparent. Hence, as 
> a rule, we don't notice it. But "Maharishi says" 
> (couldn't resist) pure consciousness is the source 
> and substrate of activity, and the greater one's 
> awareness of consciousness, the more of that 
> life-supporting effect influences our activity. 
> 
> With me so far?
> 
> What I'm getting at is this. If a person doesn't 
> notice anything from TM, is it because 
> consciousness is by nature flat and unnoticeable, 
> or because consciousness is for some reason 
> not enriching that person's activity, or because 
> the whole consciousness-activity link is fallacious? 
> Or what?
> 
> (I suppose one could argue that TM doesn't allow 
> one to experience silent, flat awareness to begin 
> with, too.)
> 
> > but must be enjoined with a relative agent
> > such as a mantra that would give It a relative focus. 
> 
> I thought the TM-Sidhi program was supposed 
> to provide some faint relativity against which to 
> notice consciousness moving. It's the activity in 
> the bathwater that makes one notice the water's 
> warm, so to speak.
>
I have found through the years, of meditating;
That in the beginning, transending does seem brief and 'flat'.
But, with continued practice, it begins to enliven, and take on a 
depth.
This depth continues to increase.
The depth of the experience of pure consciousness, is hard to explain 
in relative terms; because it's really not dependent on anything of a 
relative nature.
In other words it is just your own awareness itself, woken up; and 
you begin to notice a greater depth to it, as your experience of it, 
opens up more and more.
The brain begins to function as a whole; both the left and right 
hemispheres of the brain sychronize.
The thought process begins to take a back seat, to the 'Witnessing'
process;
That is, when the depth of being is held in the awareness 
spontaneously;
That experience in and of itself, is blissful;
Because the mind is quiet and full( whole brain functioning)
And mostly the energy goes to the heart:
Which has become free to observe and to feel the moment;
In all of it's glory...






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> > > 
> > > > 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> > > > a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> > > > reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> > > > that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> > > > preventing the realization of enlightenment.
> > > 
> > > In this, just for the record, you're disagreeing with
> > > yogic theory generally, not just with MMY.  Which is
> > > fine, but it's misleading to suggest that these
> > > concepts are somehow unique to TM.
> > > 
> > >  I think
> > > > that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> > > > Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
> > > > gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> > > > pleasant side effects of TM.
> > > 
> > > Actually, less-than-pleasant side effects is a very
> > > well-known concept in the yogic literature; it's
> > > typically referred to (as MMY sometimes does) as
> > > "purification."
> > > 
> > > MMY borrowed the terms "stress" and "unstressing"
> > > from Selye, certainly, but the point was to put a
> > > more neutral spin on the phenomenon.  "Impurities"
> > > sounds like a value judgment; nobody wants to think
> > > of themselves as "impure," as if there's something
> > > wrong with them.
> > > 
> > > Just as one example of what MMY teaches about "stress"
> > > being found in other yogic contexts, from a page about
> > > Kripalu Yoga:
> > > 
> > > Yoga teaches that our core problem stems from the fact that we 
> have 
> > > forgotten who and what we really are. This avidya, or spiritual 
> > > ignorance, is the most subtle impurity. Convinced that we are 
> > defined 
> > > by our bodies, beliefs, personalities, preferences, 
possessions, 
> > > careers, and nationalities, we live estranged from an authentic 
> > sense 
> > > of self and cut off from a vital spiritual connection. 
> Purification 
> > > consists of vidya—the direct experience of spirit. What yoga 
> calls 
> > > chitta shuddhi or purification of the self-sense, contemporary 
> > > practitioners refer to as spiritual awakening.
> > > 
> > > When the body is sluggish and the world is viewed through a 
> thick 
> > > filter of emotional baggage and mental clutter, it's impossible 
> to 
> > > see reality clearly and respond appropriately. This is why 
> > approaches 
> > > to healing and growth that don't work to purify body and mind 
> prove 
> > > superficial. It's important to know, however, that the kind of 
> > > purification brought on by intensive yoga practice can be a 
> > > challenging proposition. When the pace of purification is 
rapid, 
> it 
> > > can lead to a healing crisis and a temporary reduction in 
> function. 
> > > Common experiences include headaches, nausea, colds, fevers, or 
> > areas 
> > > of soreness that suddenly come and go. As the crisis passes, 
> > vitality 
> > > rises to a new level.
> > > 
> > > The most potent forms of purification are emotional and mental. 
> In 
> > > the phenomena called catharsis, purification can cause powerful 
> > > emotions to surface and break through unconscious barriers to 
> > > feeling. Catharsis can dramatically cleanse an emotional system 
> > that 
> > > has grown congested and dull. Although it leads to greater 
> > > sensitivity and balance, feeling the mental content associated 
> with 
> > > catharsis often pushes you outside comfort zones and beyond 
> > perceived 
> > > limits. Mental purification can similarly lead to insights that 
> > > reconfigure a mind grown cluttered and compartmentalized. 
> Although 
> > > increased clarity and creativity is the result, clearing the 
> mind 
> > > requires bearing the pain of confronting material that has been 
> > > pushed out of conscious awareness, experiencing inner conflict, 
> > > reliving past memories, and acknowledging unseen shortcomings.
> > > 
> > Spot on ! 
> > Who hasn't felt uncomfortable when rounding. But wow, what a 
> > beautiful world that unfolded when we came out. 
> > That's Tapas; it's not always nice, but the effect is marvellous.
> >
> Agreed- really perfectly described.

Just to add something the Eckart Tolle talks about in regard to this 
subject, which he calls the "Pain Body"
He says the 'pain body' is what holds you back from your 
enlightenment.
He claims that the pain body is actually part and parcel the stucture 
of the ego; 'A Course in Miracles' uses the same analogy, that the 
ego, and it's various forms is what blocks the light of Being from 
shining through completely.
Anyway, Eckart seems to think, that the so-called pain body;
Likes to re-enforce itself; with what Maharishi would call 
unstressing.
In other words, when you are feeling over-shadowed by some emotion or 
some overwheming physical symptom, or anything that you feel 
uncomfortable about- that is the perception of your pain body, being 
felt(Maharishi also, used the term "Sleeping Elep

[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> >>authfriend wrote:
> >>
> >>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:

> Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
> 
> >>>Oh, please.  This one isn't the least bit scary.
> >>>It was obviously a wry comment on the position
> >>>Leahy was putting him in. When your boss is the
> >>>president, you just don't get to say he's wrong
> >>>in a public hearing.
> >>>
> >>>With all the *legitimate* things there are to be
> >>>scared about with the Bush maladministration, it
> >>>doesn't make any sense to go to the trouble to
> >>>manufacture them out of nothing.
> >>>
> >>I didn't find it scary but hilarious that anyone would believe 
> >>that Bush is always right.
> >
> >Yeah, but the guy isn't saying that, Barry.  He's
> >saying, "What the hell do you expect me to say?  He'd
> >shove my balls down my throat if I said he was wrong."
> >
> >Look at his expression as he says it, for pete's sake.
> >He was making a funny.  I'll bet if the clip weren't
> >cut off at that point, you'd hear folks chuckling.
> >
> Even if he was joking it was a pretty good commentary on the Bush 
> administration.

Yeah, but I can easily imagine a functionary of *any*
administration making that kind of crack in that kind
of situation.  When your boss is the president, you 
just don't disagree with him/her in public.

It was more a comment on Leahy's question than it was
on Bush.







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[FairfieldLife] Citigroup loan for learning TM

2006-07-12 Thread bob_brigante
"The Maharishi School of the Age of Enlightenment in Fairfield, Iowa, 
advises its students that they can take out a loan with Citigroup. It 
costs $2,500 to study transcendental meditation and loans can be 
repaid over as long as 10 years at an interest rate of prime plus 1.50 
percent. The prime rate is currently 8.25 percent. 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Kali Yuga

2006-07-12 Thread Bhairitu
Rick Archer wrote:

>"In the Kali Yuga, there will be numerous rulers vying with each other.
>They will have no character. Violence, falsehood and wickedness will be
>the order of the day. Piety and good nature will dwindle slowly...
>Passion and lust will be the only attraction between the sexes. Women
>will be the objects of sensual pleasure. Dishonest will be the bottom
>line of subsistence. Learned people will be ridiculed and put to shame;
>the word of the wealthy person will be the only law."
>
>  
>
Sounds like a perfect description of current times with Bush and the 
Globals and their rule.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>authfriend wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
TurquoiseB wrote:

   



>In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
>
> 
>
>  
>
Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
   



>>>Oh, please.  This one isn't the least bit scary.
>>>It was obviously a wry comment on the position
>>>Leahy was putting him in. When your boss is the
>>>president, you just don't get to say he's wrong
>>>in a public hearing.
>>>
>>>With all the *legitimate* things there are to be
>>>scared about with the Bush maladministration, it
>>>doesn't make any sense to go to the trouble to
>>>manufacture them out of nothing.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>I didn't find it scary but hilarious that anyone would believe that
>>Bush is always right.
>>
>>
>
>Yeah, but the guy isn't saying that, Barry.  He's
>saying, "What the hell do you expect me to say?  He'd
>shove my balls down my throat if I said he was wrong."
>
>Look at his expression as he says it, for pete's sake.
>He was making a funny.  I'll bet if the clip weren't
>cut off at that point, you'd hear folks chuckling.
>
Even if he was joking it was a pretty good commentary on the Bush 
administration.



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[FairfieldLife] For those of you who think that there is more crime in the U.S. than Canada

2006-07-12 Thread shempmcgurk



In Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine" he made a big deal of how crime in Canada is much lower than in the U.S.  I think you may be interested in the following.
The following stats are from:
http://www.statcan.ca/Daily/English/011218/d011218b.htm
Although crime stats for certain categories are much higher in the States than Canada, I think you may be surprised to see that in several categories crime is higher in Canada than in the U.S. Plus, if you factor in the estimated 15 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. -- which doesn't show up in census data for populations and is probably NOT included in the population figures here -- then the rates are in fact LOWER for the U.S. than shown here.
And, by the way, these stats are presented by the Government of Canada, not some right-wing American source.
 
Crime rate comparisons between Canada and the United States
2000



 
Canada
United States

 
Real terms
Rate(1)
Real terms
Rate(1)

Homicide
542
1.8
15,517
5.5

Aggravated assault(2)
43,933
143
910,744
324

Robbery
27,012
88
407,842
145

Break and enter
293,416
954
2,049,946
728

Motor vehicle theft
160,268
521
1,165,559
414

Other theft
683,997
2,224
6,965,957
2,475

Arson
13,724
45
78,280
32



1
Rates are per 100,000 population.

2
For comparison purposes, the Canadian category of aggravated assault includes attempted murder, assault with a weapon and aggravated assault.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread Bhairitu
jim_flanegin wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
>>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
>>
>>
>>
>John Dean has just written a book about the US government now being 
>in the grip of authoritarians, 99% of whom are conservatives. One of 
>the key beliefs of such 'people' is that they see the world always 
>in black and white terms. 
>
>They feed on those in the population who feel they have lost 
>control, and are fearful as a result. Promising control and safety, 
>the authoritarians promote policies in the world which instead 
>heighten anxiety, leading to a greater slice of the population 
>feeling fearful, and then willing to support the authoritarians. 
>This is how they have become so strong since 9-11.  
>
Here's John Dean on Video:
MSNBC Video: 
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-John-Dean-07-10-06.wmv
or,
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Countdown-John-Dean-conservatives.mov

Bush is the Dhritarashtra of our age and we are the Pandavas.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> authfriend wrote:
> 
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>TurquoiseB wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
> >>>
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
> >>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Oh, please.  This one isn't the least bit scary.
> >It was obviously a wry comment on the position
> >Leahy was putting him in. When your boss is the
> >president, you just don't get to say he's wrong
> >in a public hearing.
> >
> >With all the *legitimate* things there are to be
> >scared about with the Bush maladministration, it
> >doesn't make any sense to go to the trouble to
> >manufacture them out of nothing.
> >
> I didn't find it scary but hilarious that anyone would believe that
> Bush is always right.

Yeah, but the guy isn't saying that, Barry.  He's
saying, "What the hell do you expect me to say?  He'd
shove my balls down my throat if I said he was wrong."

Look at his expression as he says it, for pete's sake.
He was making a funny.  I'll bet if the clip weren't
cut off at that point, you'd hear folks chuckling.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread Bhairitu
authfriend wrote:

>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>TurquoiseB wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
>>>
>>>http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
>>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
>>
>>
>
>Oh, please.  This one isn't the least bit scary.
>It was obviously a wry comment on the position
>Leahy was putting him in. When your boss is the
>president, you just don't get to say he's wrong
>in a public hearing.
>
>With all the *legitimate* things there are to be
>scared about with the Bush maladministration, it
>doesn't make any sense to go to the trouble to
>manufacture them out of nothing.
>
I didn't find it scary but hilarious that anyone would believe that Bush 
is always right.



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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
> >
> Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/

Oh, please.  This one isn't the least bit scary.
It was obviously a wry comment on the position
Leahy was putting him in. When your boss is the
president, you just don't get to say he's wrong
in a public hearing.

With all the *legitimate* things there are to be
scared about with the Bush maladministration, it
doesn't make any sense to go to the trouble to
manufacture them out of nothing.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
> >
> Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/

Oh, please.  This poor bastard was obviously making
a wry crack about not being in a position to say his
boss was wrong even if he thought he *was* wrong.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:

> > > If they respond
> > > to a single post of mine with five or six replies of
> > > their own,
> > 
> > I can't remember anybody ever doing that, actually.
> > Twice, maybe, or even three times once in a while,
> > but Barry has done that himself in response to
> > something that has pushed *his* buttons.
> 
> Just for fun, this must be an example of the "improved
> memory" that TM offers to its practitioners. :-)

Caught telling a falsehood, Barry tries desperately
to avoid taking responsibility for it and only shows
how completely he's willing to sacrifice his integrity
for the sake of smearing a TMer:

> Since I posted my diatribe about the paranoids who 
> call people "anti-TMers," Judy has made over 20 posts
> on that subject, justifying her divine right to use
> the term, and trying to make a case for several 
> people here being "anti-TM" and/or "rabid anti-TMers."

In fact, I only responded *once* to Barry's post.


> 
> I guess her much-vaunted memory only works when it's
> used to dredge up something from years back with 
> which to smear one of the people she doesn't like.
> 
> :-)  :-)  :-)
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > 
> > > 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> > > a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> > > reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> > > that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> > > preventing the realization of enlightenment.
> > 
> > In this, just for the record, you're disagreeing with
> > yogic theory generally, not just with MMY.  Which is
> > fine, but it's misleading to suggest that these
> > concepts are somehow unique to TM.
> > 
> >  I think
> > > that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> > > Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
> > > gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> > > pleasant side effects of TM.
> > 
> > Actually, less-than-pleasant side effects is a very
> > well-known concept in the yogic literature; it's
> > typically referred to (as MMY sometimes does) as
> > "purification."
> > 
> > MMY borrowed the terms "stress" and "unstressing"
> > from Selye, certainly, but the point was to put a
> > more neutral spin on the phenomenon.  "Impurities"
> > sounds like a value judgment; nobody wants to think
> > of themselves as "impure," as if there's something
> > wrong with them.
> > 
> > Just as one example of what MMY teaches about "stress"
> > being found in other yogic contexts, from a page about
> > Kripalu Yoga:
> > 
> > Yoga teaches that our core problem stems from the fact that we 
have 
> > forgotten who and what we really are. This avidya, or spiritual 
> > ignorance, is the most subtle impurity. Convinced that we are 
> defined 
> > by our bodies, beliefs, personalities, preferences, possessions, 
> > careers, and nationalities, we live estranged from an authentic 
> sense 
> > of self and cut off from a vital spiritual connection. 
Purification 
> > consists of vidya—the direct experience of spirit. What yoga 
calls 
> > chitta shuddhi or purification of the self-sense, contemporary 
> > practitioners refer to as spiritual awakening.
> > 
> > When the body is sluggish and the world is viewed through a 
thick 
> > filter of emotional baggage and mental clutter, it's impossible 
to 
> > see reality clearly and respond appropriately. This is why 
> approaches 
> > to healing and growth that don't work to purify body and mind 
prove 
> > superficial. It's important to know, however, that the kind of 
> > purification brought on by intensive yoga practice can be a 
> > challenging proposition. When the pace of purification is rapid, 
it 
> > can lead to a healing crisis and a temporary reduction in 
function. 
> > Common experiences include headaches, nausea, colds, fevers, or 
> areas 
> > of soreness that suddenly come and go. As the crisis passes, 
> vitality 
> > rises to a new level.
> > 
> > The most potent forms of purification are emotional and mental. 
In 
> > the phenomena called catharsis, purification can cause powerful 
> > emotions to surface and break through unconscious barriers to 
> > feeling. Catharsis can dramatically cleanse an emotional system 
> that 
> > has grown congested and dull. Although it leads to greater 
> > sensitivity and balance, feeling the mental content associated 
with 
> > catharsis often pushes you outside comfort zones and beyond 
> perceived 
> > limits. Mental purification can similarly lead to insights that 
> > reconfigure a mind grown cluttered and compartmentalized. 
Although 
> > increased clarity and creativity is the result, clearing the 
mind 
> > requires bearing the pain of confronting material that has been 
> > pushed out of conscious awareness, experiencing inner conflict, 
> > reliving past memories, and acknowledging unseen shortcomings.
> > 
> Spot on ! 
> Who hasn't felt uncomfortable when rounding. But wow, what a 
> beautiful world that unfolded when we came out. 
> That's Tapas; it's not always nice, but the effect is marvellous.
>
Agreed- really perfectly described.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
> http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/
>
John Dean has just written a book about the US government now being 
in the grip of authoritarians, 99% of whom are conservatives. One of 
the key beliefs of such 'people' is that they see the world always 
in black and white terms. 

They feed on those in the population who feel they have lost 
control, and are fearful as a result. Promising control and safety, 
the authoritarians promote policies in the world which instead 
heighten anxiety, leading to a greater slice of the population 
feeling fearful, and then willing to support the authoritarians. 
This is how they have become so strong since 9-11.  





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali Yuga

2006-07-12 Thread curtisdeltablues
These descriptions remind me of Mark Twain who said he wanted to go to
heaven for the climate and hell for the company!   I know which Yuga
has the best blues! I'll bet if you ask for a bourbon at a Sat Yuga
party, they hand you some celebration cake from the National day for
Tobago.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "In the Kali Yuga, there will be numerous rulers vying with each other.
> They will have no character. Violence, falsehood and wickedness will be
> the order of the day. Piety and good nature will dwindle slowly...
> Passion and lust will be the only attraction between the sexes. Women
> will be the objects of sensual pleasure. Dishonest will be the bottom
> line of subsistence. Learned people will be ridiculed and put to shame;
> the word of the wealthy person will be the only law."
> 
> An alternative view of the yuga cycle and timescale was taught by the
> 19th-century Indian yogi   Swami
>   Sri Yukteswar Giri
>  , guru of Paramahansa
> Yogananda  .
> 
> In his book, The Holy Science
>  , Sri Yukteswar explains
> that the descending phase of Satya Yuga lasts 4800 years, Treta Yuga
3600
> years, Dwapara Yuga 2400 years, and Kali Yuga 1200 years. The ascending
> phase of Kali Yuga then begins, also lasting 1200 years; and so on. The
> ascending phase of Kali Yuga began in September of 499
>  CE. Since September 1699
>  , we have been in the ascending
phase of
> Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar. Evidence exists to support Sri
> Yukteswar's theory. For example, the average life span is getting longer
> (see above).
> 
> In The Holy Science 
, Sri
> Yukteswar writes that the traditional view is based on a
misunderstanding.
> He says that at the end of the last descending Dwapara Yuga (about
700 BC
>  ) "Maharaja Yudhisthira
>  , noticing the appearance
of the
> dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson
[and]...together with
> all of his wise men...retired to the Himalaya Mountains...Thus there was
> none in the court...who could understand the principle of correctly
> accounting the ages of the several Yugas."
> 
> According to Sri Yukteswar, nobody wanted to announce the bad news
of the
> beginning of the ascending Kali Yuga, so they just kept adding years
to the
> Dwapara date (at that time 2400 Dwapara). As the Kali began to
ascend again,
> scholars of the time recognized that there was a mistake in the date
(then
> being called 3600+ Kali, although their texts said Kali had only 1200
> years). "By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the
real
> age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many
> daiva (or deva) years ("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva
months
> of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one
ordinary solar
> year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali
Yuga must
> be equal to 432,000 years of our earth."
> 
> Sri Yukteswar also writes that our sun has a 'star for its dual',
with an
> orbit around this star. As our sun moves through this orbit it takes the
> whole solar system closer to and then further from the "grand
center" of our
> solar system called 'Vishnunabhi', which is the seat of the creative
power,
> 'Brahma', [which]...regulates...the mental virtue of the internal
world." He
> states that the proximity to this grand center determimes which yuga
it is.
> 
> Satya Yuga
> The Satya Yuga, also called Sat Yuga, Krta Yuga and Krita Yuga in
> Hinduism, is the "Yuga (Age or Era) of Truth", when humankind is
> governed by gods, and every manifestation or work is close to the purest
> ideal and mankind will allow intrinsic goodness to rule supreme. It is
> sometimes referred to as the "Golden Age."
> Amongst the four eras, the Satya Yuga is the first and the most
> significant one. This era extends up to 1,728,000 years. Knowledge,
> meditation, and penance hold special importance in this era. All the
> pillars of religion are present in totality. The average life expectancy
> of a human being in Satya Yuga is believed to be over 4,000 years.
> During Satya Yuga, all people engage only in good, sublime deeds.
> Ashrams become devoid of wickedness and deceit. Natyam (such as
> Bharatanatyam), according to Natya Shatra, did not exist in the Satya
> Yuga "because it was the time when all people were happy".
> 
> Treta Yuga
> The Treta Yuga is the second out of four yugas, or ages of man, in the
> religion of Hinduism, following the Satya Yuga of perfect morality and
> preceding the Dvapara Yuga. The most famous events

[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> 
> > 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> > a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> > reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> > that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> > preventing the realization of enlightenment.
> 
> In this, just for the record, you're disagreeing with
> yogic theory generally, not just with MMY.  Which is
> fine, but it's misleading to suggest that these
> concepts are somehow unique to TM.
> 
>  I think
> > that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> > Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
> > gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> > pleasant side effects of TM.
> 
> Actually, less-than-pleasant side effects is a very
> well-known concept in the yogic literature; it's
> typically referred to (as MMY sometimes does) as
> "purification."
> 
> MMY borrowed the terms "stress" and "unstressing"
> from Selye, certainly, but the point was to put a
> more neutral spin on the phenomenon.  "Impurities"
> sounds like a value judgment; nobody wants to think
> of themselves as "impure," as if there's something
> wrong with them.
> 
> Just as one example of what MMY teaches about "stress"
> being found in other yogic contexts, from a page about
> Kripalu Yoga:
> 
> Yoga teaches that our core problem stems from the fact that we have 
> forgotten who and what we really are. This avidya, or spiritual 
> ignorance, is the most subtle impurity. Convinced that we are 
defined 
> by our bodies, beliefs, personalities, preferences, possessions, 
> careers, and nationalities, we live estranged from an authentic 
sense 
> of self and cut off from a vital spiritual connection. Purification 
> consists of vidya—the direct experience of spirit. What yoga calls 
> chitta shuddhi or purification of the self-sense, contemporary 
> practitioners refer to as spiritual awakening.
> 
> When the body is sluggish and the world is viewed through a thick 
> filter of emotional baggage and mental clutter, it's impossible to 
> see reality clearly and respond appropriately. This is why 
approaches 
> to healing and growth that don't work to purify body and mind prove 
> superficial. It's important to know, however, that the kind of 
> purification brought on by intensive yoga practice can be a 
> challenging proposition. When the pace of purification is rapid, it 
> can lead to a healing crisis and a temporary reduction in function. 
> Common experiences include headaches, nausea, colds, fevers, or 
areas 
> of soreness that suddenly come and go. As the crisis passes, 
vitality 
> rises to a new level.
> 
> The most potent forms of purification are emotional and mental. In 
> the phenomena called catharsis, purification can cause powerful 
> emotions to surface and break through unconscious barriers to 
> feeling. Catharsis can dramatically cleanse an emotional system 
that 
> has grown congested and dull. Although it leads to greater 
> sensitivity and balance, feeling the mental content associated with 
> catharsis often pushes you outside comfort zones and beyond 
perceived 
> limits. Mental purification can similarly lead to insights that 
> reconfigure a mind grown cluttered and compartmentalized. Although 
> increased clarity and creativity is the result, clearing the mind 
> requires bearing the pain of confronting material that has been 
> pushed out of conscious awareness, experiencing inner conflict, 
> reliving past memories, and acknowledging unseen shortcomings.
> 
Spot on ! 
Who hasn't felt uncomfortable when rounding. But wow, what a 
beautiful world that unfolded when we came out. 
That's Tapas; it's not always nice, but the effect is marvellous.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread nablus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in fact, I'd say it's not
> > for the vast majority of people). What bugs me, though, is that the 
TM
> > TB has to portray my dropping TM as a case of me being weak and
> > unwilling.
> 
> 
Many people are simply not made for doing TM. Also on Purusha this was 
evident. After Boppard Maharishi commented: "The could not sit, so they 
had to run". He saw that 3 levels of Purusha was necessary: One to be 
devoted to silence (I guess the boys that now are in the Himalayas), 
one to be active on projects, and one group somehow in the middle, 
coordinating operations.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali Yuga

2006-07-12 Thread curtisdeltablues
"Women will be the objects of sensual pleasure. "

The horror, the horror!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "In the Kali Yuga, there will be numerous rulers vying with each other.
> They will have no character. Violence, falsehood and wickedness will be
> the order of the day. Piety and good nature will dwindle slowly...
> Passion and lust will be the only attraction between the sexes. Women
> will be the objects of sensual pleasure. Dishonest will be the bottom
> line of subsistence. Learned people will be ridiculed and put to shame;
> the word of the wealthy person will be the only law."
> 
> An alternative view of the yuga cycle and timescale was taught by the
> 19th-century Indian yogi   Swami
>   Sri Yukteswar Giri
>  , guru of Paramahansa
> Yogananda  .
> 
> In his book, The Holy Science
>  , Sri Yukteswar explains
> that the descending phase of Satya Yuga lasts 4800 years, Treta Yuga
3600
> years, Dwapara Yuga 2400 years, and Kali Yuga 1200 years. The ascending
> phase of Kali Yuga then begins, also lasting 1200 years; and so on. The
> ascending phase of Kali Yuga began in September of 499
>  CE. Since September 1699
>  , we have been in the ascending
phase of
> Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar. Evidence exists to support Sri
> Yukteswar's theory. For example, the average life span is getting longer
> (see above).
> 
> In The Holy Science 
, Sri
> Yukteswar writes that the traditional view is based on a
misunderstanding.
> He says that at the end of the last descending Dwapara Yuga (about
700 BC
>  ) "Maharaja Yudhisthira
>  , noticing the appearance
of the
> dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson
[and]...together with
> all of his wise men...retired to the Himalaya Mountains...Thus there was
> none in the court...who could understand the principle of correctly
> accounting the ages of the several Yugas."
> 
> According to Sri Yukteswar, nobody wanted to announce the bad news
of the
> beginning of the ascending Kali Yuga, so they just kept adding years
to the
> Dwapara date (at that time 2400 Dwapara). As the Kali began to
ascend again,
> scholars of the time recognized that there was a mistake in the date
(then
> being called 3600+ Kali, although their texts said Kali had only 1200
> years). "By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the
real
> age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many
> daiva (or deva) years ("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva
months
> of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one
ordinary solar
> year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali
Yuga must
> be equal to 432,000 years of our earth."
> 
> Sri Yukteswar also writes that our sun has a 'star for its dual',
with an
> orbit around this star. As our sun moves through this orbit it takes the
> whole solar system closer to and then further from the "grand
center" of our
> solar system called 'Vishnunabhi', which is the seat of the creative
power,
> 'Brahma', [which]...regulates...the mental virtue of the internal
world." He
> states that the proximity to this grand center determimes which yuga
it is.
> 
> Satya Yuga
> The Satya Yuga, also called Sat Yuga, Krta Yuga and Krita Yuga in
> Hinduism, is the "Yuga (Age or Era) of Truth", when humankind is
> governed by gods, and every manifestation or work is close to the purest
> ideal and mankind will allow intrinsic goodness to rule supreme. It is
> sometimes referred to as the "Golden Age."
> Amongst the four eras, the Satya Yuga is the first and the most
> significant one. This era extends up to 1,728,000 years. Knowledge,
> meditation, and penance hold special importance in this era. All the
> pillars of religion are present in totality. The average life expectancy
> of a human being in Satya Yuga is believed to be over 4,000 years.
> During Satya Yuga, all people engage only in good, sublime deeds.
> Ashrams become devoid of wickedness and deceit. Natyam (such as
> Bharatanatyam), according to Natya Shatra, did not exist in the Satya
> Yuga "because it was the time when all people were happy".
> 
> Treta Yuga
> The Treta Yuga is the second out of four yugas, or ages of man, in the
> religion of Hinduism, following the Satya Yuga of perfect morality and
> preceding the Dvapara Yuga. The most famous events in this yuga were
> Lord Vishnu's fifth, sixth and seventh incarnations as Vamana,
> Parashurama and Ramachandra respectively. The Dharma bull, which
> symbolises morality, stood on three legs during this perio

[FairfieldLife] Re: Happy Birthday Jeff Fischer

2006-07-12 Thread Jeff Fischer
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Good to have you on the planet. Have a great day!
>

You're a thoughtful man, Rick.  Thanks and best to you and all on FFL.
Much Love,
Jeff






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote:

>In German, with English subtitles. Clever.
>
>http://tinyurl.com/l3hlr
>
>
>  
>
Here's an even funnier (or scarier) video:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/12/president-always-right/




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[FairfieldLife] Comparison of Jesus-Krishna Preachings

2006-07-12 Thread surya
The Divine preaching of Holy Jesus is the top most Gospel in the 
world and touches the climax of the truth. For example Holy Krishna 
says in Gita that one should withdraw himself from the family bonds 
slowly like a tortoise withdrawing its limbs (Kurmo ngaaneeva). The 
tradition of Datta is to cut the family bonds by the Sword of 
Knowledge as per Gita (Jnanaasi natmanah). But Holy Jesus says that 
one should hate these family bonds to become His disciple. Cutting 
the bond is Zero. Existing in the bond is Plus and hating the bond 
is Minus. Zero is near to Plus and Minus is very far. So if you cut 
the bond it may form again. But if you hate the bond the bond will 
never be formed so that the bond with the Lord alone is eternal.

See the preaching of Lord Jesus with impartial attitude and without 
conservatism. After all a diamond is diamond whether it is foreign 
diamond or Indian diamond. Thus Holy Jesus is the king of all the 
divine preachers. He is like the Sun from whom these divine 
sentences radiate like rays. Holy Bible speaks about the everlasting 
fire and that the souls have no rebirth. Hindu scriptures say that 
the soul has rebirth. Both these can be convinced and co-related. 
The condemned souls enter the everlasting fire, which means that 
these souls take the births as animals, birds, worms etc, which are 
like the fire due to the continuous agony. The word "everlasting" 
means that once the soul enters into the cycle of these births the 
soul will never come back to the human birth. The rebirth as a human 
being as told in the Hindu scriptures can be again co-related with 
the Holy Bible. 

Holy Jesus says that the Kingdom of God is extended into this world. 
The meaning of this is that whenever God comes in human form to stay 
with us (Immanuel), the disciples of the Lord will be staying in 
this divine Kingdom on the throwns equally with the Lord. This means 
the servants of the Lord will take rebirth as human beings and will 
be preaching here and they will be respected like God. For Ex: The 
Holy Pope is given the status of God. The Holy Pope and other such 
top most Bishops and pious Fathers who are indulged in the 
propagation of the knowledge will get the status of God here itself 
in this world. Thus, the inner sense is the same in all the 
scriptures, which is spoken in different ways. The ways are 
different but the real essence is the same.

The aim of human life is to achieve the grace that is the love of 
God. Even if you earn more money you are not carrying it after 
death. Very little money is sufficient to eat and drink which the 
animals and the birds are also doing even without money. If the aim 
of the money is only eating, drinking and enjoying, you will be born 
as animal or bird or worm in the next birth. If your file is opened 
in the upper world you will not get definitely the human birth. When 
you serve the Lord in this world when He comes in the human form 
then only you can get human birth without any enquiry in order to 
serve the Lord when the Lord reincarnates. You must recognize the 
Lord by His knowledge, because Veda says that knowledge is Brahman.

Only miracles are not the signs since demons also performed 
miracles. Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form 
(Maanusheem tanu masritam). Gita also says that it is very difficult 
to worship formless (Avyaktahi). Gita also says that if one worships 
the inert statue, he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti 
Bhutani). So you must serve the Lord by doing practical service 
which consists of 1) Sacrifice of work 2) Sacrifice of fruit of work 
(money), which is also a form of work. The Sacrifice must be to the 
full extent. When a beggar gives one rupee that is greater than one 
lakh given by a multi lakhier because the beggar has sacrificed 
whatever he possessed. Holy Jesus appreciated one old lady who 
donated whatever she possessed, as the highest divine soul.

At the lotus feet of Shri Datta Swami
surya
http://www.universal-spirituality.org





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > But to your point, if you had been paying attention I 
> > think you would have noticed that I *don't* argue here
> > on FFL (or on any other Internet forum) any more. I 
> > just post what I have to say and then allow people to
> > post what they have to say in reply. If they respond
> > to a single post of mine with five or six replies of
> > their own,
> 
> I can't remember anybody ever doing that, actually.
> Twice, maybe, or even three times once in a while,
> but Barry has done that himself in response to
> something that has pushed *his* buttons.

Just for fun, this must be an example of the "improved
memory" that TM offers to its practitioners. :-)

Since I posted my diatribe about the paranoids who 
call people "anti-TMers," Judy has made over 20 posts
on that subject, justifying her divine right to use
the term, and trying to make a case for several 
people here being "anti-TM" and/or "rabid anti-TMers."

I guess her much-vaunted memory only works when it's
used to dredge up something from years back with 
which to smear one of the people she doesn't like.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >>>
> 
> 
>  On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> 
> 
> >>> Vaj said: They felt he was a "seller of
> >>>
> > the
> >
> >> Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not 
the "saint"
> >>
> > some
> >
> >> imagine...
> >>
> >>
> >>> Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy 
ideas.
> >>> Just look at
> >>>
> > the way the dharma of caste is often abused and 
misunderstood.
> >
> > Or
> >
> > the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too 
much
> > importance in titles.
> >
> 
> 
> 
> >>> Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it
> >>> as "cause and
> >>>
>  effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a
> 
> >>> good
> >>>
>  "cause" and therefore had some bad effects...
> 
> 
> >>> I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money
> >>>
> > comes
> >
> >>> from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they 
were
> >>> caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow
> >>> inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems
> >>>
> > silly to
> >
> >>> me, given that a service is being provided.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation 
by
> >> jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that
> >>
> > Amma's
> >
> >> remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a 
mother
> >> caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom).
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on...
> 
> In more recent times, some teachers have been more explicit. One 
was  
> the jnani Papaji:
> 
> The following is  from The Truth Is, Sri H.W.L. Poonja,
> edited and compiled by Prashanti de Jager, pages 418 - 421
> 
> POONJAJI SAID:
> 
> "This is the Kali Yuga,
> Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you.
> Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be.
> 
> Test the Guru by the teaching:
> without inquiry there is no teaching.
> Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry.
> Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching.
> 
> If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,'
> it means the ego is enlightened so stay away.
> Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay away
> and only write books to load more garbage on seekers,
> and more money in their pockets.
> They will attract so many students,
> but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds.
> The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected.
> If there is a teacher and a student for more than one second
> then both of them go to avachi hell!"
> 
> Papaji, bizarrely, is also one of the main sources of the Pseudo- 
> advaita movement, although this occurred mainly after his death, 
it  
> also happened while he was still alive--but he put a quick stop to 
it  
> then. A group of satang service providers began claiming  
> enlightenment, eventually a group of about 50 people did so. 
Papaji  
> put an end to that confronting the ego trip head on. But as soon 
as  
> he died it continued and has expanded up to the current day.
> 
> "In the early 90's a sannyasin couple who went to Papaji "got  
> enlightened" in very short order, started holding satsangs and 
pretty  
> soon had a group of fifty people around them who had also "gotten  
> it." The bubble did burst and no harm was done. In this instance  
> quality control was achieved because Papaji was still in the 
body.  
> Since he died in 1997 however, many who were with him only a 
short  
> time are getting into the biz."
> 
> Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a 
demon?  
> An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say 
about 'out  
> of the mouths of babes'!
> 
> Ain't life bizarre!
>
Yeah, westerners are always prone to 'instant enlightenment'. I 
can't recall the name of the guru who said instant enlightenment 
lasts just for an instant.

As to all the stuff you are quoting from Poonjaji, sure Kali Yuga is 
Kali Yuga, God Bless It, but what does that have to do with anything 
we are talking about?

I thought the conversation was regarding charging money to teach 
meditation. I still think there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. 

As to children reporting Maharishi is a demon- so what? We all have 
both demonic and angelic potential. What is a demon? A demon just 
like an angel only comes alive in response to our desire.

I always found a lot of truth in the expression, 'whatever you put 
your attention on, grows'.





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kali Yuga

2006-07-12 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "easyone200" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> All we directly know about is kali yuga, the other ages are 
scriptural fairy tales. 
> Human nature has always been what it is now. Fucked and bent on self 
destruction. 
> Gurus are just slicing off their peice of the pie. Get ya red hot 
mantras.
>

Alternatively, what is reflected in the outer life makes little 
difference to us once we are established in Being. Sure, there are 
many challenges in life. That is the karma of our current incarnation. 
So we have a duty to win all of our challenges. That is the true 
reason we are here, not to be blown about like dust on the wind.





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[FairfieldLife] Kali Yuga

2006-07-12 Thread Rick Archer
"In the Kali Yuga, there will be numerous rulers vying with each other.
They will have no character. Violence, falsehood and wickedness will be
the order of the day. Piety and good nature will dwindle slowly...
Passion and lust will be the only attraction between the sexes. Women
will be the objects of sensual pleasure. Dishonest will be the bottom
line of subsistence. Learned people will be ridiculed and put to shame;
the word of the wealthy person will be the only law."

An alternative view of the yuga cycle and timescale was taught by the
19th-century Indian yogi   Swami
  Sri Yukteswar Giri
 , guru of Paramahansa
Yogananda  .

In his book, The Holy Science
 , Sri Yukteswar explains
that the descending phase of Satya Yuga lasts 4800 years, Treta Yuga 3600
years, Dwapara Yuga 2400 years, and Kali Yuga 1200 years. The ascending
phase of Kali Yuga then begins, also lasting 1200 years; and so on. The
ascending phase of Kali Yuga began in September of 499
 CE. Since September 1699
 , we have been in the ascending phase of
Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar. Evidence exists to support Sri
Yukteswar's theory. For example, the average life span is getting longer
(see above).

In The Holy Science  , Sri
Yukteswar writes that the traditional view is based on a misunderstanding.
He says that at the end of the last descending Dwapara Yuga (about 700 BC
 ) "Maharaja Yudhisthira
 , noticing the appearance of the
dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson [and]...together with
all of his wise men...retired to the Himalaya Mountains...Thus there was
none in the court...who could understand the principle of correctly
accounting the ages of the several Yugas."

According to Sri Yukteswar, nobody wanted to announce the bad news of the
beginning of the ascending Kali Yuga, so they just kept adding years to the
Dwapara date (at that time 2400 Dwapara). As the Kali began to ascend again,
scholars of the time recognized that there was a mistake in the date (then
being called 3600+ Kali, although their texts said Kali had only 1200
years). "By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real
age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many
daiva (or deva) years ("years of the gods"), consisting of 12 daiva months
of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar
year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yuga must
be equal to 432,000 years of our earth."

Sri Yukteswar also writes that our sun has a 'star for its dual', with an
orbit around this star. As our sun moves through this orbit it takes the
whole solar system closer to and then further from the "grand center" of our
solar system called 'Vishnunabhi', which is the seat of the creative power,
'Brahma', [which]...regulates...the mental virtue of the internal world." He
states that the proximity to this grand center determimes which yuga it is.

Satya Yuga
The Satya Yuga, also called Sat Yuga, Krta Yuga and Krita Yuga in
Hinduism, is the "Yuga (Age or Era) of Truth", when humankind is
governed by gods, and every manifestation or work is close to the purest
ideal and mankind will allow intrinsic goodness to rule supreme. It is
sometimes referred to as the "Golden Age."
Amongst the four eras, the Satya Yuga is the first and the most
significant one. This era extends up to 1,728,000 years. Knowledge,
meditation, and penance hold special importance in this era. All the
pillars of religion are present in totality. The average life expectancy
of a human being in Satya Yuga is believed to be over 4,000 years.
During Satya Yuga, all people engage only in good, sublime deeds.
Ashrams become devoid of wickedness and deceit. Natyam (such as
Bharatanatyam), according to Natya Shatra, did not exist in the Satya
Yuga "because it was the time when all people were happy".

Treta Yuga
The Treta Yuga is the second out of four yugas, or ages of man, in the
religion of Hinduism, following the Satya Yuga of perfect morality and
preceding the Dvapara Yuga. The most famous events in this yuga were
Lord Vishnu's fifth, sixth and seventh incarnations as Vamana,
Parashurama and Ramachandra respectively. The Dharma bull, which
symbolises morality, stood on three legs during this period. It had all
four in the Satya Yuga and two in the later Dvapara Yuga. Currently, in
the immoral age of Kali, it stands on one leg.

Avatars of Vishnu during Treta Yuga

Vamana
Vishnu incarnated as the dwarf son of Aditi to stop King Mahabali of the
Asura race, the grandson of Prahlada, from completing a sacrif

[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > I'd sit down to meditate and my mind wouldn't settle down. It
> > > was outwardly focused and could no longer tolerate the escapism 
> > > of transcending. I'd always looked at TM as a means of fixing 
> > > what I felt was broken, and as such, TM was for me just another 
> > > piece of the toxic ego dynamic of grasping and aversion, 
> > > preventing me from being present in the here and now. 
> > 
> > You know, Alex, this doesn't even *sound* like you
> > talking.  It sounds artificial and rote and self-
> > conscious.
> 
> The terminology of egoic grasping and aversion came from an 
> Adyashanti essay I read. But, it perfectly describes what was going 
> on inside me.

> "Being present in the here and now" is definitely a new age 
> platitude, but it perfectly describes the sense of free-flaoting in 
> now that I experience as a result of my Waking Down brand Second 
> Birth Awakening. Escapism of transcending is my own wording.
> 
> To flesh my story out a bit, my big issue was not accepting myself 
> as I am. I seriously believed TM would make me str8. After all, if
> homosexuality is such an egregious violation of Natural Law, as I 
> was led to believe from ideas floating around the TM community, 
> then TM should be able to fix that. So, in that context, TM was 
> feeding my aversion dynamic. I dropped TM because it was, for me, a 
> spiritual mismatch, and I'd reached the point where every fiber of 
> my being was making that clear.

Um, OK.  I'm truly astonished you ever allowed
yourself to be led to believe such a thing.

My own experience with some of the nutty social
ideas floating around the TMO was that at first
I had a tendency to give them some credence, at
least to wonder whether they *might* be correct.

But the longer I was meditating, the clearer it
became to me that there was zero need for me to
change my thinking to accord with those ideas.

I see absolutely no problem with both doing my
program and disagreeing strenuously with some
of MMY's notions of proper behavior.  I'll happily
go along with his "Don't do what you think might
be wrong" and leave it at that--*I'm* the one who
gets to do that thinking and make those judgments.

As I've said before, as far as I'm concerned MMY
has the Indian sign, as it were, on the nature
and mechanics of consciousness.  Anything else
is up for grabs.  He isn't someone I look to for
advice about how to live my life.

As far as your "escapism of transcending" is 
concerned, my own experience is that regular
transcending facilitates my ability to *avoid*
escapism when it comes to what is going on in my
life and strengthens my ability to deal with it
head-on.

YMMV.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Peter


--- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj
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> >
> > 
> > On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> > 
> > > And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in
> fact, I'd say it's
> > > not for the vast majority of people). What bugs
> me, though, is
> > > that the TM TB has to portray my dropping TM as
> a case of me
> > > being weak and unwilling.
> > 
> > 
> > Hey, lets be fair, you could have a dysfunctional
> thalamus! :-)
> > 
> > I'd get an EEG next time you get your oil changed
> if I were you! :-)))
> 
> Waking Down must have fixed it because I can
> meditate all I want now.
> Or maybe, just *maybe*, my thalamus had nothing to
> do with it.

No, no! There MUST be something wrong with you
because...because...well, just because!



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[FairfieldLife] Happy Birthday Jeff Fischer

2006-07-12 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Happy Birthday Jeff Fischer





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:
> 
> > And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in fact, I'd say it's
> > not for the vast majority of people). What bugs me, though, is
> > that the TM TB has to portray my dropping TM as a case of me
> > being weak and unwilling.
> 
> 
> Hey, lets be fair, you could have a dysfunctional thalamus! :-)
> 
> I'd get an EEG next time you get your oil changed if I were you! :-)))

Waking Down must have fixed it because I can meditate all I want now.
Or maybe, just *maybe*, my thalamus had nothing to do with it.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread Alex Stanley
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Vaj


On Jul 12, 2006, at 8:10 AM, sparaig wrote:Always seemed like a blanket term for 'side effects from unbalanced   meditation practice' and of course that could come from many sources.   It would be interesting to know if other groups who practice mental   mantra meditation experience so many negative side effects (e.g.   Himalayan Institute, Sahaja Samadhi/SSRS, etc.).   The term is "relaxation-induced anxiety" and it is in the DMS-IV as a possible side-effect  of ANY form of relaxation.  The DSM-IV also refers to the "qi-gong psychotic reaction"  BTW.  Are you implying that TMO usage of the word, unstressing, is meant to refer to "relaxation-induced anxiety" as described in the DSM-IV (or DSM-IV R)?
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> 
> On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:49 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >>
> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> 
> >
> > Contrariwise, that Alex ran into a major bout of unstressing he
> > couldn't handle.
> >
> 
>  If it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest.
> 
> >>>
> >>> That's exactly the kind of response these people
> >>> can never 'get,' and likely will never 'get' for
> >>> the duration of their present incarnation. They're
> >>> locked into preserving their self-image of small
> >>> self, and as far as I can tell, will be locked into
> >>> it until the small self dissolves into the Bardo,
> >>> and for several incarnations past that point. They
> >>> just don't 'get' not having an ego to defend.
> >>>
> >>
> >> So, unstressing for you isn't a catch-all phrase?
> >>
> >
> > I'm not sure what your point is.
> >
> > 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> > a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> > reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> > that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> > preventing the realization of enlightenment. I think
> > that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> > Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it
> > gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> > pleasant side effects of TM.
> >
> > I'm not suggesting that you have to believe this,
> > but it's what I believe.
> 
> Always seemed like a blanket term for 'side effects from unbalanced  
> meditation practice' and of course that could come from many sources.  
> It would be interesting to know if other groups who practice mental  
> mantra meditation experience so many negative side effects (e.g.  
> Himalayan Institute, Sahaja Samadhi/SSRS, etc.).
>

The term is "relaxation-induced anxiety" and it is in the DMS-IV as a possible 
side-effect 
of ANY form of relaxation.  The DSM-IV also refers to the "qi-gong psychotic 
reaction" 
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[FairfieldLife] 'Peyote Buttons- Far and Away Superior to Mushrooms'

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel



Well know in the sixties, and early seventies;  Were the mescaline, that was derived from the Peyote Buttons;  Of the Southwest;  They especially grow wild, in west Texas.  Why do you think King George II;  Has his ranch down there;  Sure he's into clearing brush, but he's also collecting the precious buttons.  Then the Pres, along with Karl, and some other prime elitist;  Join up for their annual pow-wow; in the Tall Redwood forests;  Of their secret hide-out; the infamous Bohemian Grove;  There they go into that other world, that the Peyote provides.  They soar up high, and look down upon their subjects, below.  What a trip.  Better than Cocaine, way cooler than alcohol, and spiritual besides;  And if it's good enough for the Red Man;  It's good enough for our King George II... 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" 
>  wrote:
> 
> > I'd sit down to meditate and my mind wouldn't settle down. It was
> > outwardly focused and could no longer tolerate the escapism of
> > transcending. I'd always looked at TM as a means of fixing what I
> > felt was broken, and as such, TM was for me just another piece of 
> > the toxic ego dynamic of grasping and aversion, preventing me from 
> > being present in the here and now. 
> 
> You know, Alex, this doesn't even *sound* like you
> talking.  It sounds artificial and rote and self-
> conscious.

The terminology of egoic grasping and aversion came from an Adyashanti
essay I read. But, it perfectly describes what was going on inside me.
"Being present in the here and now" is definitely a new age platitude,
but it perfectly describes the sense of free-flaoting in now that I
experience as a result of my Waking Down brand Second Birth Awakening.
Escapism of transcending is my own wording.

To flesh my story out a bit, my big issue was not accepting myself as
I am. I seriously believed TM would make me str8. After all, if
homosexuality is such an egregious violation of Natural Law, as I was
led to believe from ideas floating around the TM community, then TM
should be able to fix that. So, in that context, TM was feeding my
aversion dynamic. I dropped TM because it was, for me, a spiritual
mismatch, and I'd reached the point where every fiber of my being was
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Palestinians & terrorism

2006-07-12 Thread kabbalist1
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nablus108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
>  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Larry Potter 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > ( with regard to nablus108 ).
> > > 
> > > I'm sorry to say that since the intafadah began I have uterly 
> > lost any respect for Palestinians as a nation. They choose 
> terrible 
> > leaders and support terrible policies. They glorify terrible 
> > murderers who celebrate in killing Israeli women and children. 
> > > 
> > > I am sad to say to you Palistinians, I have no sympathy for 
you.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >>http://tinyurl.com/qxtq8
> > 
> > >> Aggression Under False Pretenses 
> >
> >
> > The aggression comes from the Palestinians side,
> >   To remind you, or to tell you, since you conveniently left 
out, 
> that Palestinians murdered of 18-year-old Eliyahu Asheri two and a 
> half weeks ago.
> >   Including that Hamas terrorists firing rockets and mortar 
bombs 
> for weeks. Some of the rockets fell near the Israel city of 
> Ashkelon. Some 17 rockets were fired between Saturday and Sunday 
> morning. A man at a school in the Israel town of Sderot was 
wounded, 
> Israel officials said.
> >
> >   Now, what would you think, USA will do (or any other country 
for 
> that matter) if, let's say Mexico, will be constantly shooting 
> rockets on USA cities and civilians. I'm just curious to know, how 
> USA will react in your opinion.
> >
> >
> >   http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?
> cid=1150885975162&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
> >
> >
> >   so, there is more to it than one soldier as Haniyeh is falsely 
> trying to paint.
> >
> >
> >   
> > 
> Palestine is occupied by Israel, the land has been annected. They 
> are at war. 

The other way around.

> This discussion is out of proportion.
and it looks like you are expanding it :).

Looks like Islam and Muslims are hijacked by it's own religious 
people. here is an interesting article,


http://tinyurl.com/zsyph


An Explosive Fatwa Is Issued in Egypt, As Wave of Edicts Grows in 
the War

By YOUSSEF IBRAHIM - Special to the Sun
April 11, 2006

The effervescent satellite network Al Jazeera put its spotlight last 
week on the maddening world of fatwas, those Islamic religious 
edicts riling the lives of believers and nonbelievers from one end 
of the world to the other. Remember, September 11 was the result of 
a fatwa by Osama bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahri, and assorted other so-
called Muslim scholars decreeing a pact to fight "Crusaders and 
Jews."

Ever since this momentous attack on America, Islamic fatwas 
multiplied. Many simply dictate lifestyle choices for Muslims. 
Others, however, tell them to wage jihad against various ills and 
targets, in the name of Allah. When originating with a weighty 
source, a fatwa can be deadly.

Among the wave of fatwas already out there, some authorize suicide 
bombings, forbid participation in voting or elections by Muslims 
living in the West, void marriage between spouses who practice 
intercourse in the nude (this one from Egypt), and ban the exchange 
of seasons' greetings between Muslims and nonbelievers, to cite a 
few.

Frivolous fatwas have affected people's lifestyles and mind-sets, 
including a ruling against the Arab version of "Who Wants To Be a 
Millionaire," forbidden by Islam as a form of gambling; a fatwa 
banning beauty pageants in front of panels of male judges; one 
demanding that male soccer players wear long trousers to hide their 
skin; a ban on watching solar eclipses, and another against 
bullfights. Interestingly, no fatwas were ever issued banning female 
circumcision.

This past week, Al Jazeera carried a most explosive one: an edict 
from Egypt's highest Islamic jurist, Sheik Ali Gomaa, decreeing that 
the exhibition of any statues is sinful, as is sculpture and those 
who practice it - going all the way back to Pharaonic temples, Greek 
and Roman sculptures, and Christian images spanning several 
centuries, ever since the dawn of history.

Should we prep for a Taliban-style orgy in Egypt? Melting gold 
statues of King Tut (Tutankhamen is his full name); smashing 
Cleopatra images; dynamiting the magnificent temples of Karnak; 
blowing up the Valleys of the Kings and Queens in Luxor; bulldozing 
the majestic Fila temple; burning Roman, Greek, and early Christian 
icons, and sacking treasures of civilization in Egyptian museums up 
and down the Nile Valley?

Sheik Gomaa is no lightweight. To many believers, his words are 
tantamount to marching orders. He was appointed grand mufti 
(jurisprudent) by none other than Egypt's president, Hosni Mubarak. 
Several weighty religious figures rushed to his support.

Left standing, this fatwa is a declaration of war, more so as it has 
been endorsed by the most towering Muslim religious figure a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Vaj


On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in fact, I'd say it's notfor the vast majority of people). What bugs me, though, is that the TMTB has to portray my dropping TM as a case of me being weak andunwilling. Hey, lets be fair, you could have a dysfunctional thalamus! :-)I'd get an EEG next time you get your oil changed if I were you! :-)))
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon?  
> An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say 
> about 'out of the mouths of babes'!

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Vaj


On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote:And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in fact, I'd say it's not for the vast majority of people). What bugs me, though, is that the TM TB has to portray my dropping TM as a case of me being weak and unwilling. Hey, lets be fair, you could have a dysfunctional thalamus! :-)I'd get an EEG next time you get your oil changed if I were you! :-)))
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> preventing the realization of enlightenment.

In this, just for the record, you're disagreeing with
yogic theory generally, not just with MMY.  Which is
fine, but it's misleading to suggest that these
concepts are somehow unique to TM.

 I think
> that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
> gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> pleasant side effects of TM.

Actually, less-than-pleasant side effects is a very
well-known concept in the yogic literature; it's
typically referred to (as MMY sometimes does) as
"purification."

MMY borrowed the terms "stress" and "unstressing"
from Selye, certainly, but the point was to put a
more neutral spin on the phenomenon.  "Impurities"
sounds like a value judgment; nobody wants to think
of themselves as "impure," as if there's something
wrong with them.

Just as one example of what MMY teaches about "stress"
being found in other yogic contexts, from a page about
Kripalu Yoga:

Yoga teaches that our core problem stems from the fact that we have 
forgotten who and what we really are. This avidya, or spiritual 
ignorance, is the most subtle impurity. Convinced that we are defined 
by our bodies, beliefs, personalities, preferences, possessions, 
careers, and nationalities, we live estranged from an authentic sense 
of self and cut off from a vital spiritual connection. Purification 
consists of vidya—the direct experience of spirit. What yoga calls 
chitta shuddhi or purification of the self-sense, contemporary 
practitioners refer to as spiritual awakening.

When the body is sluggish and the world is viewed through a thick 
filter of emotional baggage and mental clutter, it's impossible to 
see reality clearly and respond appropriately. This is why approaches 
to healing and growth that don't work to purify body and mind prove 
superficial. It's important to know, however, that the kind of 
purification brought on by intensive yoga practice can be a 
challenging proposition. When the pace of purification is rapid, it 
can lead to a healing crisis and a temporary reduction in function. 
Common experiences include headaches, nausea, colds, fevers, or areas 
of soreness that suddenly come and go. As the crisis passes, vitality 
rises to a new level.

The most potent forms of purification are emotional and mental. In 
the phenomena called catharsis, purification can cause powerful 
emotions to surface and break through unconscious barriers to 
feeling. Catharsis can dramatically cleanse an emotional system that 
has grown congested and dull. Although it leads to greater 
sensitivity and balance, feeling the mental content associated with 
catharsis often pushes you outside comfort zones and beyond perceived 
limits. Mental purification can similarly lead to insights that 
reconfigure a mind grown cluttered and compartmentalized. Although 
increased clarity and creativity is the result, clearing the mind 
requires bearing the pain of confronting material that has been 
pushed out of conscious awareness, experiencing inner conflict, 
reliving past memories, and acknowledging unseen shortcomings.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > Well gee. TM probably doesn't work with people who have 
> > dysfunctional thalamuses.
> 
> I have nothing to contribute to this discussion. I just
> had to comment that the word 'thalamus' is one of those
> words that probably was never intended to be used in 
> the plural. 'Thalamuses' sounds really silly.  :-)
>

Sorry. Have thalalumi on the brain right now. The first part of the samadhi 
animation is to 
show the generic high-level brain activity during a visual stimulation. The 
lateral 
geninulate nucleus of the thalamus is the main gateway into the rest of the 
brain for visual 
input so I've been reading a jillion articles and websites the past few days. 
LGNs? LGNs? We 
don't need no stinkin' LGNs.

As to what this has to do with samadhi? Recall that meditation is sometimes 
described as 
withdrawing of the senses like a turtle draws its legs into its shell. The 
thalmus is the 
gateway for all the senses except smell. If a meditation technique somehow 
lowered the 
overall activity of the thalamus, this would result in "withdrawal of the 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H"  
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something 
> > > we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history.
> > 
> > You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see 
> > just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative 
> > diatribes. 
> 
> Point taken about the above comment; it was uncalled 
> for and I apologize for it.
> 
> But to your point, if you had been paying attention I 
> think you would have noticed that I *don't* argue here
> on FFL (or on any other Internet forum) any more. I 
> just post what I have to say and then allow people to
> post what they have to say in reply. If they respond
> to a single post of mine with five or six replies of
> their own,

I can't remember anybody ever doing that, actually.
Twice, maybe, or even three times once in a while,
but Barry has done that himself in response to
something that has pushed *his* buttons.

 and I allow them to without either defend-
> ing my original point or commenting further, that 
> doesn't quite constitute getting involved in lengthy
> argumentative diatribes in my book. Your mileage may
> vary. From my point of view, It's usually more like 
> one diatribe, followed by people who got their buttons
> pushed posting multiple times *trying* to get me to
> argue with them. :-)
 
> I *will* admit to having a weakness for pushing the
> buttons of a few people, but that's now down to very
> few (three, to be exact). Every so often I slip into
> old habits and say something provocative to them, because
> they really *can't* let it go past; they are compelled
> to jump into the fray and act like cultists. 

Just want to point out the tactic here of labeling
TMers' rebuttals to Barry's off-the-wall assertions
as (1) trying to draw Barry into an argument, and
(2) acting like a cultist.

The point of the tactic is to dismiss in advance
any TMer's disagreement with whatever Barry says.
That way he gets to say whatever damn fool thing he
wants without having to take responsibility for it.

Under Barry's Rules, it's a priori impossible that
a TMer is simply correcting one of his misrepresentation
or pointing out the illogic of one of his assertions.
And these rules apply *only* to TMers.  It's never the
case with Barry himself, or anyone whose views Barry
shares.



> In the past that was more true. Now I really do try
> to content myself with saying my piece and then allow-
> ing others to say theirs. I really have no point of 
> view to sell or try to convince people of.

Given the tactic I just deconstructed, this claim
becomes quite hollow.  If one has no point of view
to sell or try to convince people of, why would one
feel the need to frame disagreements so as to
invalidate them in advance?

And here's the third "leg" of the tactic:

 Plus, for
> good or bad, there is really no percentage in me 
> trying to "defend" something I say here, because by
> the time someone replies trying to sucker me *into*
> defending it, I've changed points of view entirely.
> What's to "defend" if your point of view changes
> every few hours?  :-)

By characterizing self-contradiction as perfectly
valid, Barry manages to expand the range of 
accepetability of his off-the-wall assertions; they
don't even have to agree with *each other*.







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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread Vaj


On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:   On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:  Vaj said: They felt he was a "seller of the Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint" some imagine...  Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas. Just look at the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood.  Or the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much importance in titles.   Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it as "cause and effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a good "cause" and therefore had some bad effects...  I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money  comes from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems  silly to me, given that a service is being provided.   It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by   jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that  Amma's   remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother   caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom).   I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on... In more recent times, some teachers have been more explicit. One was the jnani Papaji:The following is  from The Truth Is, Sri H.W.L. Poonja,edited and compiled by Prashanti de Jager, pages 418 - 421 POONJAJI SAID: “This is the Kali Yuga,Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you.Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be. Test the Guru by the teaching:without inquiry there is no teaching.Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry.Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching. If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,'it means the ego is enlightened so stay away.Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay awayand only write books to load more garbage on seekers,and more money in their pockets.They will attract so many students,but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds.The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected.If there is a teacher and a student for more than one secondthen both of them go to avachi hell!”Papaji, bizarrely, is also one of the main sources of the Pseudo-advaita movement, although this occurred mainly after his death, it also happened while he was still alive--but he put a quick stop to it then. A group of satang service providers began claiming enlightenment, eventually a group of about 50 people did so. Papaji put an end to that confronting the ego trip head on. But as soon as he died it continued and has expanded up to the current day."In the early 90's a sannyasin couple who went to Papaji "got enlightened" in very short order, started holding satsangs and pretty soon had a group of fifty people around them who had also "gotten it." The bubble did burst and no harm was done. In this instance quality control was achieved because Papaji was still in the body. Since he died in 1997 however, many who were with him only a short time are getting into the biz."Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon? An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say about 'out of the mouths of babes'!Ain't life bizarre!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Vaj


On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:What is YOUR explation for the "less-than-pleasant sdie  effects of TM?"  A technique that was cobbled together from several  other existing techniques and given to guinea pigs  (us) to test. As opposed to a technique or techniques  that have been taught the same way and the effects  noted and documented for centuries.Indeed. There are several prerequisites that are supposed to occur *before* mantra diksha. One is correct posture, the other is pranayama and correct breathing.In this sense Panditiji Sri Sri Ravi Shankar has restored the purity of the tradition by placing pranayama and purification before mantra initiation. Maybe that's why he has so much more support of nature. ;-)))  Again, I'm not suggesting that you believe this, but I tend to. My belief is based on seeing a fair number of TMers who complained about "heavy unstressing" for years learn a different style of meditation, one with more tradition behind it, and have all of the things they considered "unstressing" go away completely within a couple of days, never to reappear.Yes, I've noticed the same thing. This while their subjective experience both of transcendence during meditation and benefits after meditation increased.  I'm not trying to argue with you here, BTW. I'm just trying to explain where I'm coming from whenever the issue of "unstressing" comes up. I rejected the  "stress prevents enlightenment" theory a couple of decades ago, so I really don't hold many of the core assumptions that a person who believes the TM explanation does. This would probably be high on the list of TM Fundamentalist beliefs. 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex
> > Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex
> > Stanley"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "sparaig"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Contrariwise, that Alex ran into a major
> > bout of unstressing 
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > couldn't handle.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If it makes you feel better to believe
> > that, be my guest.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Do you think it isn't the case?
> > > > >  
> > > > > Unstressing had nothing to with it. I know you
> > can't help but try to
> > > > > pigeonhole my experience into your cultishly
> > held TM worldview
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, for chrissake, Alex.  It's a perfectly
> > reasonable
> > > > question given your initial "would no longer
> > tolerate"
> > > > explanation for why you stopped.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Still is a reasonable explanation, IMHO.
> > Basically, he's said: 
> > > I couldnt' stand looking within any more. What
> > explanation for
> > > that save "unstressing?"
> > 
> > LOL!!! Actually, 2+ years of Waking Down gave me way
> > deeper and way
> > more looking within than anything I ever experienced
> > with TM.
> 
> Even SSRS says that his Sudarshan Kriya may not be for
> everyone. Not a lot of people, but there could be
> some.

And Waking Down is also not for everyone (in fact, I'd say it's not
for the vast majority of people). What bugs me, though, is that the TM
TB has to portray my dropping TM as a case of me being weak and
unwilling. The TM cultist mindset can't deal with the fact that for
some people, TM isn't the Universal Bestest Solution to Everything. TM
served me well until it didn't. There was no weakness or unwillingness
on my part; I'd simply reached a point where I required a different
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread Vaj


On Jul 12, 2006, at 3:49 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:  Contrariwise, that Alex ran into a major bout of unstressing he couldn't handle.  If it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest.  That's exactly the kind of response these people can never 'get,' and likely will never 'get' for the duration of their present incarnation. They're locked into preserving their self-image of small self, and as far as I can tell, will be locked into it until the small self dissolves into the Bardo, and for several incarnations past that point. They just don't 'get' not having an ego to defend.  So, unstressing for you isn't a catch-all phrase?  I'm not sure what your point is.  'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with preventing the realization of enlightenment. I think that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it  gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than- pleasant side effects of TM.  I'm not suggesting that you have to believe this, but it's what I believe.  Always seemed like a blanket term for 'side effects from unbalanced meditation practice' and of course that could come from many sources. It would be interesting to know if other groups who practice mental mantra meditation experience so many negative side effects (e.g. Himalayan Institute, Sahaja Samadhi/SSRS, etc.).
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[FairfieldLife] 'King George II- Continues to Spy Domestically'

2006-07-12 Thread Robert Gimbel



  Terrorism & Securityposted July 10, 2006 at 12:00 p.m.  Another secret US intelligence program?  House Intelligence Committee only briefed after whistleblower alerts chairman.  By Tom Regan  | csmonitor.comThe Republican chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said the White House briefed his committee on another "significant" intelligence program only after it was brought to his attention by a government whistleblower.  The New York Times reports that Rep. Peter Hoekstra, (R) of Michigan then pressed President Bush to tell him about the program. 
   "We can't be briefed on every little thing that they are doing," Mr. Hoekstra said in an interview on "Fox News Sunday." "But in this case, there was at least one major – what I consider significant – activity that we had not been briefed on that we have now been briefed on. And I want to set the standard there, that it is not optional for this president or any president or people in the executive community not to keep the intelligence committees fully informed of what they are doing."  The White House declined to comment on the issue Sunday but said last week that it would continue to work closely with Mr. Hoekstra and the intelligence committees.  The briefing came after Mr. Hoekstra wrote a "strongly worded letter" to President Bush about not being briefed on the program. Hoekstra would not comment on the nature of the program, or whether it involved domestic or international surveillance.Sign up to be notified daily:Find out more.  Subscribe via RSS Feed:     What is this?   Although he has been a critic of whistleblowers in the past, and has even called for tougher legislation when whistleblowers give classified information to the media, he said "This is actually a case where the whistle-blower process was working appropriately." The Washington Post reports that while Hoekstra appeared to be "mollified" by the briefing he received, he said the
 government is still falling short of its legal obligations "to brief key congressional members on significant intelligence operations."  Steven Spruiell reports in National Review's MediaBlog that the whistleblower who may have tipped off Hoekstra was Russell Tice, the ex-NSA employee who also says he was a source for The New York Times story earlier this year about domestic eavesdropping by the NSA. Mr. Tice said in May he planned to tell congressional staffers about undisclosed illegal programs being run at the NSA during the time when Gen. Michael Hayden (now the head of the CIA) was in charge.  Congress Daily reported on May 12, according to Mr. Spruiell, that the programs "involved the illegal use of
 space-based satellites and systems to spy on US citizens." It was a few days later that Hoekstra sent his letter to President Bush.  Conservative blogger Tom Maguire, in his blog JustOneMinute, says there was a fairly significant passage in Hoekstra's letter that largely ignored by the media – that the chairman believes that there is a "a strong and well-positioned group within the Agency intentionally undermined the administration and its policies." Hoekstra's letter indicates that he is concerned about the appointment of Steve Kappes as deputy director of the CIA, as Hoekstra says Mr. Kappes may have been a part of this group. He cites the enthusiastic response of Democrats to Kappes' return as further proof of this suspicion.  In a recent column, however, columnist Paul Krugman of The New York Times wrote that he believes that "the Bush
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 CIA in the hands of an incompetent crony – he has consistently played politics with national security.  Finally, in another issue involving a controversial administration program, Newsweek reports that the White House was strongly advised by State Department laywers in January 2002 that not giving Al Qaeda and Taliban prisoners even the basic protections of the Geneva Conventions was inviting an "enormous backlash" from both foreign allies and US courts."Even those terrorists captured in Afghanistan ... are entitled to the fundamental 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well gee. TM probably doesn't work with people who have 
> dysfunctional thalamuses.

I have nothing to contribute to this discussion. I just
had to comment that the word 'thalamus' is one of those
words that probably was never intended to be used in 
the plural. 'Thalamuses' sounds really silly.  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> > a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> > reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> > that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> > preventing the realization of enlightenment. I think
> > that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> > Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
> > gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> > pleasant side effects of TM.
> > 
> > I'm not suggesting that you have to believe this,
> > but it's what I believe.
> 
> Your history is certainly correct, but the conclusion is 
> debateable.  

Sure.

> What is YOUR explation for the "less-than-pleasant sdie 
> effects of TM?"

A technique that was cobbled together from several 
other existing techniques and given to guinea pigs 
(us) to test. As opposed to a technique or techniques 
that have been taught the same way and the effects 
noted and documented for centuries.

Again, I'm not suggesting that you believe this, but
I tend to. My belief is based on seeing a fair number
of TMers who complained about "heavy unstressing" for
years learn a different style of meditation, one with
more tradition behind it, and have all of the things
they considered "unstressing" go away completely within
a couple of days, never to reappear. This while their
subjective experience both of transcendence during
meditation and benefits after meditation increased.

I'm not trying to argue with you here, BTW. I'm just
trying to explain where I'm coming from whenever the
issue of "unstressing" comes up. I rejected the 
"stress prevents enlightenment" theory a couple of
decades ago, so I really don't hold many of the
core assumptions that a person who believes the TM
explanation does.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> > >  wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Contrariwise, that Alex ran into a major bout of unstressing he
> > > > > couldn't handle.
> > > > 
> > > > If it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest.
> > > 
> > > That's exactly the kind of response these people
> > > can never 'get,' and likely will never 'get' for
> > > the duration of their present incarnation. They're
> > > locked into preserving their self-image of small
> > > self, and as far as I can tell, will be locked into
> > > it until the small self dissolves into the Bardo,
> > > and for several incarnations past that point. They
> > > just don't 'get' not having an ego to defend.
> > 
> > So, unstressing for you isn't a catch-all phrase?
> 
> I'm not sure what your point is.
> 
> 'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
> a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
> reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
> that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
> preventing the realization of enlightenment. I think
> that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
> Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
> gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
> pleasant side effects of TM.
> 
> I'm not suggesting that you have to believe this,
> but it's what I believe.
>

Your history is certainly correct, but the conclusion is debateable.  What is 
YOUR explation 
for the "less-than-pleasant sdie effects of TM?"





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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- Alex Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex
> > Stanley" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex
> > Stanley"
> > > > >  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> > "sparaig"  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Contrariwise, that Alex ran into a major
> > bout of unstressing 
> > > > he
> > > > > > > > couldn't handle.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If it makes you feel better to believe
> > that, be my guest.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Do you think it isn't the case?
> > > > >  
> > > > > Unstressing had nothing to with it. I know you
> > can't help but try to
> > > > > pigeonhole my experience into your cultishly
> > held TM worldview
> > > > 
> > > > Oh, for chrissake, Alex.  It's a perfectly
> > reasonable
> > > > question given your initial "would no longer
> > tolerate"
> > > > explanation for why you stopped.
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Still is a reasonable explanation, IMHO.
> > Basically, he's said: 
> > > I couldnt' stand looking within any more. What
> > explanation for
> > > that save "unstressing?"
> > 
> > LOL!!! Actually, 2+ years of Waking Down gave me way
> > deeper and way
> > more looking within than anything I ever experienced
> > with TM.
> 
> Even SSRS says that his Sudarshan Kriya may not be for
> everyone. Not a lot of people, but there could be
> some.


Well gee. TM probably doesn't work with people who have dysfunctional 
thalamuses.






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[FairfieldLife] Bush Pilot

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
In German, with English subtitles. Clever.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > "Charging money for meditation is
> > like a mother charging
> > her baby for breast milk."
> 
> And charging a million dollars for a worthless course
> or for a crown would be like what?

Charging the baby to suck on a dry tit?  :-)







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Japa

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"
> >  wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Contrariwise, that Alex ran into a major bout of unstressing he
> > > > couldn't handle.
> > > 
> > > If it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest.
> > 
> > That's exactly the kind of response these people
> > can never 'get,' and likely will never 'get' for
> > the duration of their present incarnation. They're
> > locked into preserving their self-image of small
> > self, and as far as I can tell, will be locked into
> > it until the small self dissolves into the Bardo,
> > and for several incarnations past that point. They
> > just don't 'get' not having an ego to defend.
> 
> So, unstressing for you isn't a catch-all phrase?

I'm not sure what your point is.

'Unstressing,' to me (if you're seriously asking) is
a *made up* phrase that doesn't have much to do with
reality. As we've discussed before, I do not believe
that 'stress' has anything whatsoever to do with
preventing the realization of enlightenment. I think
that Maharishi coopted the word 'stress' from Hans
Selye and coined the phrase 'unstressing' because it 
gave him an easy way to ignore some of the less-than-
pleasant side effects of TM.

I'm not suggesting that you have to believe this,
but it's what I believe. 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

2006-07-12 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kenny H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > Thanks for the honest apraisal. It's not something 
> > we've come to expect from anyone with a TM history.
> 
> You know, Barry, I believe you say these kinds of things to see 
> just how many people you can involve in lengthy argumentative 
> diatribes. 

Point taken about the above comment; it was uncalled 
for and I apologize for it.

But to your point, if you had been paying attention I 
think you would have noticed that I *don't* argue here
on FFL (or on any other Internet forum) any more. I 
just post what I have to say and then allow people to
post what they have to say in reply. If they respond
to a single post of mine with five or six replies of
their own, and I allow them to without either defend-
ing my original point or commenting further, that 
doesn't quite constitute getting involved in lengthy
argumentative diatribes in my book. Your mileage may
vary. From my point of view, It's usually more like 
one diatribe, followed by people who got their buttons
pushed posting multiple times *trying* to get me to
argue with them. :-)

I also don't get involved in "defending myself" when
people express their negative opinions of me. It seems
to me to be a waste of time. People can say pretty
much anything they want about me; I don't care. Some
of it may even be true. :-)

> I am not going to get suckered in past this post. 

Cool. I've retracted the statement. It made sense at
the time, but this morning it doesn't, so I retract it.

> An old long-time friend of yours from Rama, who is a really 
> long-time friend of mine, recently told me that you really 
> do seem to like to argue. 

In the past that was more true. Now I really do try
to content myself with saying my piece and then allow-
ing others to say theirs. I really have no point of 
view to sell or try to convince people of. Plus, for
good or bad, there is really no percentage in me 
trying to "defend" something I say here, because by
the time someone replies trying to sucker me *into*
defending it, I've changed points of view entirely.
What's to "defend" if your point of view changes
every few hours?  :-)

I *will* admit to having a weakness for pushing the
buttons of a few people, but that's now down to very
few (three, to be exact). Every so often I slip into
old habits and say something provocative to them, because
they really *can't* let it go past; they are compelled
to jump into the fray and act like cultists. 

So I will freely admit to occasionally posting things 
*so that* they'll demonstrate once again their cult
tendencies. It's a weakness, and I'm trying to get past 
it, but occaionally I backslide. 







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[FairfieldLife] questionable superradiance get-togethers.

2006-07-12 Thread qntmpkt
--- 
--- 
>
> --- 
> >
> > 
> > 1. http://www.tinyurl.com/e5f9   (burning man festival)
> > 
> > 2. http://www.2camels.com/festival61.php3 (for rednecks).
> 
> and hundreds more such as "cannibis cup" and "cheese role" featured at
> the menu:
> 
>  http://www.2camels.com/festival_photo_gallery.php3

check out the parade in Berlin!:

http://www.2camels.com/festival_photos123.php3
> >
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Madison, Lecturer to Lose the Right of Free Speech'

2006-07-12 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote:
> 
> > > Nobody I know of in government ever said Saddam  was  involved in
> > any aspect 
> > > of 911. 
> > 
> > Correct. You do not know Bush, Cheney, Ruimsfeld, Rice, etc.
> 
> "On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a 
> failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away could bring murder and 
> destruction to our country."
> 
> --George W. Bush, State of the Union, January 2006
>

Was that AFghanistan or Iraq?






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