[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marek Reavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comment below: ** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Dec 18, 2006, at 4:59 AM, hugheshugo wrote: I'm only half joking I know someone who has bought a sv apartment and his contract states that the TMO reserves the right to enter his house if they think he has changed anything, even the layout of the kitchen or the colour of the wallpaper. Here in FF? Gotta be illegal--anybody know for sure? Marek? Jeez all that and you only have to donate 20% of the house value to the movement! **End** Not too conversant in contract law but, though you can include anything in a contract, if a term or condition is practically speaking unenforceable then it's just words on paper. Since it's an apartment rather than a stand-alone, the presumption is that there is a homeowners association or somesuch that governs shared bylaws and conditions of the whole property of which the apartment or condo is a sub-unit, and therefore they have some controlling power over changes within. But that strikes me as unenforceable. Property is the big cheese in American law. It's sacrosanct and unassailable in so many ways and to have one's property rights so restricted (and by such an arbitrary entity as any arm of the TMO) seems bogus. But I'm way out here in California trying to keep criminals out on the street, so you'll want to take what I say on the subject with a certain amount of caution. Marek I think it applies to all developments in the vastu site, stand-alone or otherwise. But the site I'm talking about is in England. I doubt that they would ever actually enforce it (hope not) I imagine the clause is there to let you know what is expected of you.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Bhoja-deva's commentary on II 35, first sentence
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [tasyaahiMsaaM bhaavayataH saMnidhau] Yess! Sandhi-vigraha goes prolly like this: tasya + ahiMsaam At first that seemed quite weird, because 'ahiMsaam' obviously is the accusative singular form from 'ahiMsaa'. Accusative (Engl. objective) case felt rather awkward in connection with a verb that's obviosly related to the verb bhuu (to be, to become). But then it, during meditation, occurred to us that 'bhaavayataH' must be a conjugated, or stuff, form from the causative derivative, or whatever, of 'bhuu'. And -- lo and behold -- according to MW, when 'bhaavayati' is used in the meaning 'to practise', it takes (or whatever) accusative to express the thing that is practised. That's rather obvious in English, but it's not intuitively clear, so to speak, that a form of a verb that means 'to be, become', actually means 'to practise' (perhaps 'to cause to become', or stuff...) Thus, the first phrase above prolly means: In the vicinity (saMnidhau) of [someone] practising (bhaavayataH) /ahiMsaa/, [such and such things happen...] sahaja- virodhinaamapyahinakulaadiinaaM vairatyaago [nirmatsartayaa'vasthaanaM] bhavati Let's concentrate on the words outside the brackets: sahaja-virodhinaamapyahinakulaadiinaaM vairatyaago [...] bhavati The word /saha-ja/ may be translated for instance to 'natural(ly)' (saha-ja: with-born?). The string /virodhinaamapyahinakulaadiinaam/ was rather tricky at first. Our first attempts at finding the individual words were something like this: virodhinaam + api + ahina + kula + aadiinaam (didn't work) - + ahin + akula + -- Then we finally found what we think is the correct division, or whatever: virodhinaam + api + ahi + nakula + aadiinaam It was kinda amusing to find the name of one of the /paaNDavas/ (nakula) amongst those words. The meaning of that part of the first sentence might be for instance: ...even(api) natural (sahaja) enemies (virodhiinaam; genitive plural) like (aadiinaam = etc.) snakes (ahi; singular, sort of) and mongooses (nakula; singular, sort of) become (bhavati) hostility- abandoning (vairatyaagaH).
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
On Dec 19, 2006, at 4:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Vedic Communism. Although instead of coming in the middle of the night to haul you off to a gulag, they come to check your wallpaper.
Re: [FairfieldLife] 'Staint Germain- Reading for 18th December, 20006'
This knowledge rings true to me. Thank you for posting it. Lou Valentino
[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fun at work today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I had a business call this morning around how to restructure a presentation for a large orientation event. I had some ideas but didn't want to try to push my design through, so during the call I'd have an objective, a direction in mind, and just being on the call, and thinking about the direction I wanted the presentation restructuring to go, someone would speak up and propose the same direction I had been thinking about. At one point the group was stuck, and I was about to interject something, when someone joined the call, and said exactly what I was going to. The call lasted for awhile, like creating my own movie- I'd think something, and someone else would speak it. And at the end, things were just as I wanted them, with everyone in agreement. Perfect for a Monday! Thanks for this perspective. I used to feel the need to come up with all the good ideas at work. When it became apparent I could not, and I realized I wasn't particularly good at selling the ideas I had, I learned to be happy with simply being in the room when the ideas arose. I told myself my presence and my questions helped generate the good thinking. Now you've shown me an alternative, Jim: the Obi Wan Kenobi school of management. Sounds like the good old do less and accomplish more. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vedic Communism. Although instead of coming in the middle of the night to haul you off to a gulag, they come to check your wallpaper. That's funny.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Yeah, wow, he's secretly been a Bush supporter all this time! Who knew?? cackle
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 4:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Vedic Communism. Heehee. Might want to bone up a bit on the definition of communism, Vaj. Hint: it isn't synonymous with one-party rule. Although instead of coming in the middle of the night to haul you off to a gulag, they come to check your wallpaper. And pacifist instead of militaristic. Terrible, just terrible.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in- step with you as well.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Er, as though damn democracy, and I support the divine right of kings when talking to Larry King, hadn't already done that?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Competition for TM?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.natural-stress-relief.com/stress/mantra-meditation.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Single-mantra meditation instrution via CD ROM taught by someone who claims that TM originally only used one mantra...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 4:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Vedic Communism. Although instead of coming in the middle of the night to haul you off to a gulag, they come to check your wallpaper. Actually, once certain siddhis are mastered, they'll pop their head in THROUGH the wall, and look back at the wallpaper.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Competition for TM?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: http://www.natural-stress-relief.com/stress/mantra-meditation.htm __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Single-mantra meditation instrution via CD ROM taught by someone who claims that TM originally only used one mantra... They sponsor the TM-EX archive site, btw.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Something fun at work today
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: I had a business call this morning around how to restructure a presentation for a large orientation event. I had some ideas but didn't want to try to push my design through, so during the call I'd have an objective, a direction in mind, and just being on the call, and thinking about the direction I wanted the presentation restructuring to go, someone would speak up and propose the same direction I had been thinking about. At one point the group was stuck, and I was about to interject something, when someone joined the call, and said exactly what I was going to. The call lasted for awhile, like creating my own movie- I'd think something, and someone else would speak it. And at the end, things were just as I wanted them, with everyone in agreement. Perfect for a Monday! Thanks for this perspective. I used to feel the need to come up with all the good ideas at work. When it became apparent I could not, and I realized I wasn't particularly good at selling the ideas I had, I learned to be happy with simply being in the room when the ideas arose. I told myself my presence and my questions helped generate the good thinking. Now you've shown me an alternative, Jim: the Obi Wan Kenobi school of management. Sounds like the good old do less and accomplish more. :-) ...moving towards do nothing and accomplish everything :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in- step with you as well. About 15 years ago I lived in a large planned community in Maryland on the East Coast. The population was large enough to have a zip code or two, and every development in the community had rules, like what color your house could be, what your fences had to look like, etc. And it was all strictly enforced. It worked too, and the whole place looked harmonious. We could, though, have whatever color wallpaper we wanted...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in-step with you as well. And you'd probably do anything you felt was necessary to force them to be pure, or at least pretend to be, just like you. As I said before, anyone who would be happy living in such a community wouldn't be worth knowing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 4:51 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Vedic Communism. Although instead of coming in the middle of the night to haul you off to a gulag, they come to check your wallpaper. Actually, once certain siddhis are mastered, they'll pop their head in THROUGH the wall, and look back at the wallpaper. I heard that during meditation, one or more of the vastu committee will proclaim, There is a disturbance in the Force, then they use their dowsing sticks during walk and talk to find the offending party.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in-step with you as well. And you'd probably do anything you felt was necessary to force them to be pure, or at least pretend to be, just like you. As I said before, anyone who would be happy living in such a community wouldn't be worth knowing. Please answer the following, immediately, so that we may properly evaluate your response: 1. Was you last meal comprised strictly of Maharishi Vedic organic food? 2. Are you wearing clothes appropriate to an Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle? Or an ill fitting cream colored suit? 3. Have you ingested alcohol within the last month? 4. Are you facing East Right Now? 5. Have you ended a phone call or conversation in the last eight hours with the words, Jai Guru Dev? Thank You, The Purity Committee, Dedicated to Your Growing Enlightenment(SM)
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in-step with you as well. And you'd probably do anything you felt was necessary to force them to be pure, or at least pretend to be, just like you. As I said before, anyone who would be happy living in such a community wouldn't be worth knowing. And no community *Barry* ever bought a home in would have such out-of-step people in it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: snip And you'd probably do anything you felt was necessary to force them to be pure, or at least pretend to be, just like you. As I said before, anyone who would be happy living in such a community wouldn't be worth knowing. Please answer the following, immediately, so that we may properly evaluate your response: 1. Was you last meal comprised strictly of Maharishi Vedic organic food? 2. Are you wearing clothes appropriate to an Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle? Or an ill fitting cream colored suit? 3. Have you ingested alcohol within the last month? 4. Are you facing East Right Now? 5. Have you ended a phone call or conversation in the last eight hours with the words, Jai Guru Dev? If so, please leave at once. We don't want people like you in our community.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Kinda.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi Family Chat -- December 16, 2006
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, george_deforest george.deforest@ wrote: Ther is no one party rule. That means the national consciousness is in a very bad situation, is very unlucky, is very unfortunate. Kinda settles the issue of where Maharishi stands politically, doesn't it? Kinda. Was there an issue that needed settling? I must have missed it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in- step with you as well. I'm sure many Nazis felt *exactly* the same way, so don't worry, you're not alone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:36 AM, sparaig wrote: snip If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in- step with you as well. I'm sure many Nazis felt *exactly* the same way, so don't worry, you're not alone. Oh, I thought you were going to say, Don't worry, the Orthodox Jews and the Amish feel the same way, so you're not alone.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in-step with you as well. And you'd probably do anything you felt was necessary to force them to be pure, or at least pretend to be, just like you. As I said before, anyone who would be happy living in such a community wouldn't be worth knowing. Please answer the following, immediately, so that we may properly evaluate your response: 1. Was you last meal comprised strictly of Maharishi Vedic organic food? 2. Are you wearing clothes appropriate to an Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle? Or an ill fitting cream colored suit? 3. Have you ingested alcohol within the last month? 4. Are you facing East Right Now? 5. Have you ended a phone call or conversation in the last eight hours with the words, Jai Guru Dev? Thank You, The Purity Committee, Dedicated to Your Growing Enlightenment(SM) Sounds like you do not like communism in any form Jim. Why is that ? Problem is that it never worked in a country or largescale because the level of consciousness was to low, thus allowing corrupt leaders to take advantage of the labourers, giving themself and partymembers special treatment and priviledges. This communism is the most intelligent political system. Maharishi, Germany 1982 Now that communism is gone, the next to go is capitalism. Maharishi, 1989
[FairfieldLife] Aurora over Iowa
It must have been pretty impressive. Did anyone actually see it? http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap061218.html Uns.
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in- step with you as well. I'm sure many Nazis felt *exactly* the same way, so don't worry, you're not alone. Er, my door faces south...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:36 AM, sparaig wrote: snip If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in-step with you as well. I'm sure many Nazis felt *exactly* the same way, so don't worry, you're not alone. Er, my door faces south... Vaj has been a little, well, *slow* lately. I mean, you could give him the benefit of the doubt and figure he meant you as in one (which would be in tune with what he was responding to), except that this wouldn't work with don't worry, you're not alone. I'm afraid he really *did* assume you were speaking for yourself rather than simply stating the obvious. Maybe he needs a little more sleep...
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
You guys are hilarious! A week or so ago, Doug H. was comparing the pundit compound here in Fairfield to the Warsaw ghetto (does he even know what that was, I wonder?), and here Vaj has made a vague reference to TMers as thinking like Nazis. Let's see if anyone can top that. It's going to be difficult, but I'm sure somebody will. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 10:36 AM, sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in- step with you as well. I'm sure many Nazis felt *exactly* the same way, so don't worry, you're not alone.
[FairfieldLife] Green building in Fairfield
Listen closely and you can hear silence in Stacey Hurlin's Jefferson County home. The blast of the heater is not heard as often or as intense as in a conventional home. Instead, she relies on super-insulated walls and ceiling and windows that throw sunlight and heat deep into her home I've never slept so deeply as I have in this little house, said Hurlin, who is the director of a nonprofit art organization here. It is a silent little cave. Hurlin lives in a development called Abundance Ecovillage, where homes use energy in nonconventional ways. Many homeowners pay no monthly bills to an electric company. Instead, they have invested up front in solar, wind and other technologies for saving or creating energy. Not far from Ecovillage, the Maharishi University of Management is following suit with plans to complete several projects in the next few years that create their own energy. (more at link) http://tinyurl.com/y2byyk
[FairfieldLife] Pundits to change salt into sugar
A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. exporting pandits is just redistributing the same numbers differently, at the expense of India itself. Furthermore one keeps hearing about land being bought for pandits or dwellings for a couple of hundred being ready but never that any one LARGE group of 8,000 having been estasblished ANYWHERE (even though the money spent in buying land all over the place - useless places like in New York state etc - could have been used solely for such a cosmic priority). This seems to have been going on for DECADES, when it was clear all along that the Movement itself had to do this, as governments or billionaires were most unlikely to risk reputations on such unconventional projects. Imagine if the last 20 years had been dedicated from the start with this aim in mind - establishing ONE permanent group of 8,000 in India; and the required number in key countries like the USA, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Instead of 3000 Peace Palaces always on the drawing board maybe just 30 REAL ones in key capitals of the world, to start with. It does seem rather too little and just too late. Or is it?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
On Dec 19, 2006, at 6:05 PM, claudiouk wrote: What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. Actually quite the opposite. The genocide of Hindu pandits continues in Kashmir. A strong anti-Brahmin sentiment and anti-caste ethic has taken root continues to erode Vedic civilization; it's a small remnant really. The untouchables, abused for millenia under their caste-yielding lords are converting in hordes to Buddhism. Islam spreads like a disease across the north, a bridge just waiting to unite Pakistan, laden with nuclear weapons, to it's more eastern counterpart, Bangladesh. exporting pandits is just redistributing the same numbers differently, at the expense of India itself. Furthermore one keeps hearing about land being bought for pandits or dwellings for a couple of hundred being ready but never that any one LARGE group of 8,000 having been estasblished ANYWHERE (even though the money spent in buying land all over the place - useless places like in New York state etc - could have been used solely for such a cosmic priority). This seems to have been going on for DECADES, when it was clear all along that the Movement itself had to do this, as governments or billionaires were most unlikely to risk reputations on such unconventional projects. Whatever it takes to start making money. SSRS's the money-maker now (following very similarly the old TM teacher initiation and money schemes). Our Hindu Howard Hughes, hidden away in his bizarre and tacky Hindu-mansion-in-the-woods desperately tries to still peddle his wares. But no one is listening. Few buy. Even when they're trying to give it away. Better to invest in Bollywood. Imagine if the last 20 years had been dedicated from the start with this aim in mind - establishing ONE permanent group of 8,000 in India; and the required number in key countries like the USA, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Instead of 3000 Peace Palaces always on the drawing board maybe just 30 REAL ones in key capitals of the world, to start with. It does seem rather too little and just too late. Or is it?? Yes it was, a long time ago. It was never about peace Claudia--unless of course it happened while the latest commercial enterprise was under way (what ever that might've been). If something appeared to happen (or even if it didn't) there was a clutch of brainwashed scientists to massage the numbers and enough slave labor to push it in gold-gilt brochures, cheesy videos and the like. It was really all about tapping the peaceniks of the 60's and tapping that market segment. And a lot of us fell for it. But now we can all see the emperor has no clothes. And he doesn't even have an erection anymore. Unless it's an icicle on a windowsill.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
On Dec 19, 2006, at 5:05 PM, claudiouk wrote: What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. exporting pandits is just redistributing the same numbers differently, at the expense of India itself. You're not supposed to ask questions like that, Claudio--they make too much sense. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip It was never about peace Claudia--unless of course it happened while the latest commercial enterprise was under way (what ever that might've been). If something appeared to happen (or even if it didn't) there was a clutch of brainwashed scientists to massage the numbers and enough slave labor to push it in gold-gilt brochures, cheesy videos and the like. It was really all about tapping the peaceniks of the 60's and tapping that market segment. To what end, exactly? For MMY to assure himself a luxurious retiremeny?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering. Right On!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. exporting pandits is just redistributing the same numbers differently, at the expense of India itself. Furthermore one keeps hearing about land being bought for pandits or dwellings for a couple of hundred being ready but never that any one LARGE group of 8,000 having been estasblished ANYWHERE (even though the money spent in buying land all over the place - useless places like in New York state etc - could have been used solely for such a cosmic priority). This seems to have been going on for DECADES, when it was clear all along that the Movement itself had to do this, as governments or billionaires were most unlikely to risk reputations on such unconventional projects. Imagine if the last 20 years had been dedicated from the start with this aim in mind - establishing ONE permanent group of 8,000 in India; and the required number in key countries like the USA, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Instead of 3000 Peace Palaces always on the drawing board maybe just 30 REAL ones in key capitals of the world, to start with. It does seem rather too little and just too late. Or is it?? It is a puzzle, isn't it? An equal or greater puzzle is when we ask ourselves why *we* are not paragons of Sat Yuga; each of us. After all, there is just one of us. Meditating for one person; a 1 to 1 relationship. More powerful even than the ratios of 1-100 and the square root of one percent of a population. Everyone in our group of one gets the direct influence of a meditator. So why is each of us meditators not a paragon of Sat Yuga?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering. Right On! One can but hope.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. exporting pandits is just redistributing the same numbers differently, at the expense of India itself. Furthermore one keeps hearing about land being bought for pandits or dwellings for a couple of hundred being ready but never that any one LARGE group of 8,000 having been estasblished ANYWHERE (even though the money spent in buying land all over the place - useless places like in New York state etc - could have been used solely for such a cosmic priority). This seems to have been going on for DECADES, when it was clear all along that the Movement itself had to do this, as governments or billionaires were most unlikely to risk reputations on such unconventional projects. Imagine if the last 20 years had been dedicated from the start with this aim in mind - establishing ONE permanent group of 8,000 in India; and the required number in key countries like the USA, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Instead of 3000 Peace Palaces always on the drawing board maybe just 30 REAL ones in key capitals of the world, to start with. It does seem rather too little and just too late. Or is it?? It is a puzzle, isn't it? An equal or greater puzzle is when we ask ourselves why *we* are not paragons of Sat Yuga; each of us. After all, there is just one of us. Meditating for one person; a 1 to 1 relationship. More powerful even than the ratios of 1-100 and the square root of one percent of a population. Everyone in our group of one gets the direct influence of a meditator. So why is each of us meditators not a paragon of Sat Yuga? Many/most TMers start TM because they believe they have problems and need something to help. The question to be asking is: has meditation helped you in any way?
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO compound at Vlodrop
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusos108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo richardhughes103@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: Are you serious with the last part here, that the TMO can enter his home/apartment? Yes, deadly serious. we had a good laugh about it (I did anyway). The interesting thing is, I have told a few other people I know who are interested in buying here and they agree that the company that built the site (not the TMO but obviously all movement chaps and dedicated in everyway) should have the right to keep it pure. And I imagine people who live there will be upset at any deviations from the norm, bad for coherence you see. If you buy a home in order to be in a pure community, you want everyone else to be in-step with you as well. And you'd probably do anything you felt was necessary to force them to be pure, or at least pretend to be, just like you. As I said before, anyone who would be happy living in such a community wouldn't be worth knowing. Please answer the following, immediately, so that we may properly evaluate your response: 1. Was you last meal comprised strictly of Maharishi Vedic organic food? 2. Are you wearing clothes appropriate to an Ozzie and Harriet lifestyle? Or an ill fitting cream colored suit? 3. Have you ingested alcohol within the last month? 4. Are you facing East Right Now? 5. Have you ended a phone call or conversation in the last eight hours with the words, Jai Guru Dev? Thank You, The Purity Committee, Dedicated to Your Growing Enlightenment(SM) Sounds like you do not like communism in any form Jim. Why is that ? Problem is that it never worked in a country or largescale because the level of consciousness was to low, thus allowing corrupt leaders to take advantage of the labourers, giving themself and partymembers special treatment and priviledges. I lived in Hong Kong for three years in the early 70's, and used to go shop at the communist state store, buying Mao books (and reading them), and these cool round red pins of Chairman Mao, Mao caps- I liked some of what Mao wrote, and, I too, believed in the idealism of communism, when I read the ideas, but my idealism was very short lived, because it just hasn't worked very well anywhere, except possibly China, though theirs is an increasingly blended economy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Law the perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, claudiouk claudiouk@ wrote: What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. exporting pandits is just redistributing the same numbers differently, at the expense of India itself. Furthermore one keeps hearing about land being bought for pandits or dwellings for a couple of hundred being ready but never that any one LARGE group of 8,000 having been estasblished ANYWHERE (even though the money spent in buying land all over the place - useless places like in New York state etc - could have been used solely for such a cosmic priority). This seems to have been going on for DECADES, when it was clear all along that the Movement itself had to do this, as governments or billionaires were most unlikely to risk reputations on such unconventional projects. Imagine if the last 20 years had been dedicated from the start with this aim in mind - establishing ONE permanent group of 8,000 in India; and the required number in key countries like the USA, Israel, Lebanon, etc. Instead of 3000 Peace Palaces always on the drawing board maybe just 30 REAL ones in key capitals of the world, to start with. It does seem rather too little and just too late. Or is it?? It is a puzzle, isn't it? An equal or greater puzzle is when we ask ourselves why *we* are not paragons of Sat Yuga; each of us. After all, there is just one of us. Meditating for one person; a 1 to 1 relationship. More powerful even than the ratios of 1-100 and the square root of one percent of a population. Everyone in our group of one gets the direct influence of a meditator. So why is each of us meditators not a paragon of Sat Yuga? Many/most TMers start TM because they believe they have problems and need something to help. The question to be asking is: has meditation helped you in any way? Me? Sure!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 19, 2006, at 6:05 PM, claudiouk wrote: What's not clear is why India, with all these pandits THERE have not already changed IT into a paragon of Sat Yuga.. Actually quite the opposite. The genocide of Hindu pandits continues in Kashmir. A strong anti-Brahmin sentiment and anti-caste ethic has taken root continues to erode Vedic civilization; it's a small remnant really. The untouchables, abused for millenia under their caste-yielding lords are converting in hordes to Buddhism. Islam spreads like a disease across the north, a bridge just waiting to unite Pakistan, laden with nuclear weapons, to it's more eastern counterpart, Bangladesh. ** Bangladesh and Pakistan fought a big war to get separated, so it's pretty unlikely they're going to kiss and make up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Pakistan
[FairfieldLife] Materialism of the Gaps
http://www.sbinstitute.com/matofgaps.pdf Virtually all cognitive scientists today assume that consciousness and all subjectively experienced mental processes are functions of the brain, and are therefore emergent properties or functions of matter. This is the mainstream scientific view of consciousness, and those who reject this hypothesis are commonly viewed by many scientists as being in the grip of a metaphysical bias or religious faith. To evaluate this scientific perspective, let’s first review some simple, uncontested facts: Scientists have (1) no consensual definition of consciousness, (2) no means of measuring it or its neural correlates, and (3) an incomplete knowledge of the necessary and sufficient causes of consciousness. The fact that no state of consciousness – in fact, no subjectively experienced mental phenomenon of any kind – is detectable using the instruments of science means that, strictly speaking, there is no scientific, empirical evidence for the existence of consciousness or the mind. The only experiential evidence we have for the existence of mental phenomena consists of reports based on first-person, introspective observations of one’s own mental states. But such first-person accounts are not objective, they are not subject to third-person corroboration, and they are generally presented by people with no formal training in observing or reporting on their own mental processes. Yet without such anecdotal evidence for the existence of mental phenomena, scientists would have no knowledge of the mental correlates of the neural and behavioral processes that they study with such precision and sophistication. In other words, the whole edifice of scientific knowledge of mental processes that arise in dependence upon brain functions is based on evidence that is anecdotal and unscientific.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Materialism of the Gaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sbinstitute.com/matofgaps.pdf Virtually all cognitive scientists today assume that consciousness and all subjectively experienced mental processes are functions of the brain, and are therefore emergent properties or functions of matter. This is the mainstream scientific view of consciousness, and those who reject this hypothesis are commonly viewed by many scientists as being in the grip of a metaphysical bias or religious faith. To evaluate this scientific perspective, let's first review some simple, uncontested facts: Scientists have (1) no consensual definition of consciousness, (2) no means of measuring it or its neural correlates, and (3) an incomplete knowledge of the necessary and sufficient causes of consciousness. The fact that no state of consciousness in fact, no subjectively experienced mental phenomenon of any kind is detectable using the instruments of science means that, strictly speaking, there is no scientific, empirical evidence for the existence of consciousness or the mind. The only experiential evidence we have for the existence of mental phenomena consists of reports based on first-person, introspective observations of one's own mental states. But such first-person accounts are not objective, they are not subject to third-person corroboration, and they are generally presented by people with no formal training in observing or reporting on their own mental processes. Yet without such anecdotal evidence for the existence of mental phenomena, scientists would have no knowledge of the mental correlates of the neural and behavioral processes that they study with such precision and sophistication. In other words, the whole edifice of scientific knowledge of mental processes that arise in dependence upon brain functions is based on evidence that is anecdotal and unscientific. Yes- plenty of subjective evidence, but no matter how much evidence, it never establishes proof. More like the brain is a very sensitive amplifier of consciousness, with dynamic filters that allow it to interpret consciousness according to the orientation of the senses, both inward and outward. The brain's amplified, dynamically filtered interpretation of consciousness is watched by the self, and as it moves through time and space, becomes the mind. So any measure of the brain can only prove that the mind is created out of consciousness, and can be measured in different states of consciousness, but the states of consciousness themselves can never be proven by these measurements of the brain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Materialism of the Gaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sbinstitute.com/matofgaps.pdf Virtually all cognitive scientists today assume that consciousness and all subjectively experienced mental processes are functions of the brain, and are therefore emergent properties or functions of matter. This is the mainstream scientific view of consciousness, and those who reject this hypothesis are commonly viewed by many scientists as being in the grip of a metaphysical bias or religious faith. To evaluate this scientific perspective, let's first review some simple, uncontested facts: Scientists have (1) no consensual definition of consciousness, (2) no means of measuring it or its neural correlates, and (3) an incomplete knowledge of the necessary and sufficient causes of consciousness. The fact that no state of consciousness in fact, no subjectively experienced mental phenomenon of any kind is detectable using the instruments of science means that, strictly speaking, there is no scientific, empirical evidence for the existence of consciousness or the mind. The only experiential evidence we have for the existence of mental phenomena consists of reports based on first-person, introspective observations of one's own mental states. But such first-person accounts are not objective, they are not subject to third-person corroboration, and they are generally presented by people with no formal training in observing or reporting on their own mental processes. Yet without such anecdotal evidence for the existence of mental phenomena, scientists would have no knowledge of the mental correlates of the neural and behavioral processes that they study with such precision and sophistication. In other words, the whole edifice of scientific knowledge of mental processes that arise in dependence upon brain functions is based on evidence that is anecdotal and unscientific. Where to begin... Well, no. Just about all of the above assertions are at least misleading, and some are just plain wrong. We can watch movies of MRI of the visual centers of the brain and can, at least in extremely simple cases, tell what a person is looking at based on the pattern of the activation of the primary visual cortex. Turns out that the nerves that run from the retina through the thalamus to the visual center keep an extremely accurate one-to-one corresponance with the nerves in the primary vision center. In other words, if the rods and cones of the eye form a grid, then when an object activates a pattern on that grid, a corresponding pattern appears on the extremely wrinked projection screen at the back of the brain we call the primary vision center. It gets WAAAY more complicated, real fast, but the essential image remains intact as it gets sent from the eye to the back of the brain for further processing. There's still nyriad details that need to be worked out, even for visual processing, which is probably the best understood aspect of the brain, but to suggest that we can never know what someone is thinking is false. We can, in the most simple cases: they're looking at a simple shape. We can even identify which shape. And we can know, at least usually, when someone is asleep, awake, dreaming or even, these days, in Pure COnscioiusness during meditation, since they all have consistent patterns of activation of the brain.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Materialism of the Gaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://www.sbinstitute.com/matofgaps.pdf Virtually all cognitive scientists today assume that consciousness and all subjectively experienced mental processes are functions of the brain, and are therefore emergent properties or functions of matter. This is the mainstream scientific view of consciousness, and those who reject this hypothesis are commonly viewed by many scientists as being in the grip of a metaphysical bias or religious faith. To evaluate this scientific perspective, let's first review some simple, uncontested facts: Scientists have (1) no consensual definition of consciousness, (2) no means of measuring it or its neural correlates, and (3) an incomplete knowledge of the necessary and sufficient causes of consciousness. The fact that no state of consciousness in fact, no subjectively experienced mental phenomenon of any kind is detectable using the instruments of science means that, strictly speaking, there is no scientific, empirical evidence for the existence of consciousness or the mind. The only experiential evidence we have for the existence of mental phenomena consists of reports based on first-person, introspective observations of one's own mental states. But such first-person accounts are not objective, they are not subject to third-person corroboration, and they are generally presented by people with no formal training in observing or reporting on their own mental processes. Yet without such anecdotal evidence for the existence of mental phenomena, scientists would have no knowledge of the mental correlates of the neural and behavioral processes that they study with such precision and sophistication. In other words, the whole edifice of scientific knowledge of mental processes that arise in dependence upon brain functions is based on evidence that is anecdotal and unscientific. Yes- plenty of subjective evidence, but no matter how much evidence, it never establishes proof. More like the brain is a very sensitive amplifier of consciousness, with dynamic filters that allow it to interpret consciousness according to the orientation of the senses, both inward and outward. The brain's amplified, dynamically filtered interpretation of consciousness is watched by the self, and as it moves through time and space, becomes the mind. So any measure of the brain can only prove that the mind is created out of consciousness, and can be measured in different states of consciousness, but the states of consciousness themselves can never be proven by these measurements of the brain. Science never proves anything. There is no scientific proof that the sun will rise tomorrow. However, for most people, scientists can now eyeball various measures and tell when they are asleep or awake or dreaming or even in samadhi during meditation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Materialism of the Gaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: http://www.sbinstitute.com/matofgaps.pdf Virtually all cognitive scientists today assume that consciousness and all subjectively experienced mental processes are functions of the brain, and are therefore emergent properties or functions of matter. This is the mainstream scientific view of consciousness, and those who reject this hypothesis are commonly viewed by many scientists as being in the grip of a metaphysical bias or religious faith. To evaluate this scientific perspective, let's first review some simple, uncontested facts: Scientists have (1) no consensual definition of consciousness, (2) no means of measuring it or its neural correlates, and (3) an incomplete knowledge of the necessary and sufficient causes of consciousness. The fact that no state of consciousness in fact, no subjectively experienced mental phenomenon of any kind is detectable using the instruments of science means that, strictly speaking, there is no scientific, empirical evidence for the existence of consciousness or the mind. The only experiential evidence we have for the existence of mental phenomena consists of reports based on first-person, introspective observations of one's own mental states. But such first- person accounts are not objective, they are not subject to third- person corroboration, and they are generally presented by people with no formal training in observing or reporting on their own mental processes. Yet without such anecdotal evidence for the existence of mental phenomena, scientists would have no knowledge of the mental correlates of the neural and behavioral processes that they study with such precision and sophistication. In other words, the whole edifice of scientific knowledge of mental processes that arise in dependence upon brain functions is based on evidence that is anecdotal and unscientific. Yes- plenty of subjective evidence, but no matter how much evidence, it never establishes proof. More like the brain is a very sensitive amplifier of consciousness, with dynamic filters that allow it to interpret consciousness according to the orientation of the senses, both inward and outward. The brain's amplified, dynamically filtered interpretation of consciousness is watched by the self, and as it moves through time and space, becomes the mind. So any measure of the brain can only prove that the mind is created out of consciousness, and can be measured in different states of consciousness, but the states of consciousness themselves can never be proven by these measurements of the brain. Science never proves anything. There is no scientific proof that the sun will rise tomorrow. However, for most people, scientists can now eyeball various measures and tell when they are asleep or awake or dreaming or even in samadhi during meditation. Agreed- science will only provide evidence of a greater or lesser likehood of something's existence. This is easy to do for awake or dreaming states, because they are so universally recognized. Not so for samadhi. The science of measuring samadhi is in its early stage. Right now it is still like a snake chasing its tail- Subjectively, the subject says, OK I am in samadhi, and the subject is measured. Then the measurement becomes evidence of the state. In an average study, let's say there appears to be correlation between what, 100 subjects? Compared to billions, who I am sure would agree on when they were awake, or dreaming. So maybe Samadhi can be globally agreed upon as a state verified by science. That would be great! But I don't think there is enough consensus on the validity of the studies so far, to say that Samadhi has been scientifically validated.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
Sat Yug started on Guru Purnima 2005. Am I the only one remembers Bye Bye Kali Yuga...Hello Sat Yuga? We've been living it for the past 18 months. It was declared; it was inaugurated; it was celebrated with songs and bagpipes and the proclamations of Rajas. Get with the program. Sheesh! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Materialism of the Gaps
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Agreed- science will only provide evidence of a greater or lesser likehood of something's existence. This is easy to do for awake or dreaming states, because they are so universally recognized. Not so for samadhi. The science of measuring samadhi is in its early stage. Right now it is still like a snake chasing its tail- Subjectively, the subject says, OK I am in samadhi, and the subject is measured. Then the measurement becomes evidence of the state. Well, in the case of samadhi, the original tests asked for people to push a button. Turned out that they were in a normalish state of consciousness when they pushed the button, but some short time BEFORE they pushed the button, they were in a different state. You can't say I'm in samadhi. You can only say I WAS in samadhi. In an average study, let's say there appears to be correlation between what, 100 subjects? Compared to billions, who I am sure would agree on when they were awake, or dreaming. IT's still quite consistent. (Capitalization not intented but appropriate). Of course, other meditation traditions induce different states which THEIR practitioenrs also call samadhi, but aside from the obvious things, like the fundamental criteria for a major state of consciousness (thalamic involvement in some obvious way, you can't be sure which one is he real samadhi (saracasm in case you hadn't noticed). So maybe Samadhi can be globally agreed upon as a state verified by science. That would be great! But I don't think there is enough consensus on the validity of the studies so far, to say that Samadhi has been scientifically validated. /shrug. Most scientists don't believe that meditation is anything more than simple relaxation.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Pundits to change salt into sugar
Yeahthat's what i'm talking about. All the wars are going to stop. Everyone is going to quit drugs, all crime will cease, everyone will get along. Goodbye violence, racism, and all other problems that plague us. Thank you for saving us Maharishi, I really don't know what we'd do without you. seekliberation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: A miracle is going to happen Maharishi concluded by reassuring the world press that a miracle is going to happen. With the grace of Guru Dev and the tradition of Vedic masters, the Vedic Pandits are going to transform salt into sugar through their Vedic performances. They are going to transform Kali Yuga, which is the age of negativity, into Sat Yuga, which is the age of positivity. But this miracle is not an empty hope or a dream. It is a practical reality that is going to occur in a natural way by enlivening in world consciousness Total Natural Lawthe perfect system of the administration of the universe, Maharishi said. So it doesn't matter what the past has been, because the collective consciousness of every nation will soon be coherent, invincible, and fulfilledfree from all problems, disturbances, and suffering.
[FairfieldLife] A PUFF OF RADIOACTIVE POLONIUM
Smokers, you are puffing radioactivity! Ex-Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko's death due to polonium made headlines, but few realise that the same polonium is also present in cigarette that they smoke. In fact it is the main causes of lung cancer in smokers. Cigarette smoke contains radioactivity. Smokers slowly poison themselves and also the passive smokers with polonium 210 and lead 210, two radioactive materials. They do not suffer from any acute radiation disease as the Russian spy but may develop an increased risk of lung cancer, says former secretary, Atomic Energy Regulatory Board (AERB), Dr K S Parthasarthy.Different specialists have different connotations for the dose, but president of Tobacco Control Association of India, Dr Sajeela Maini says, the risk cannot be ignored.The association has in fact filed a Public Interest Litigation (PIL) against the Government asking for a total ban on the manufacture and sale of cigarettes.Many NGOs and health bodies had also approached the Government earlier, urging it to direct the cigarette manufacturers to label the amount of nicotine and tar present in it.However, Maini says that most people don't know that cigarette smoke also contains carbon monoxide, Tobacco Specific nitrosamines (TSN) and radioactive substance including polonium and lead. One puff of cigarette contains 4800 chemicals (I call them poison) out of which 69 are carcinogens. And the smoke which a passive smoke inhales contains no less than 400 of these chemicals, says Maini.Burning makes these chemicals more dangerous and carcinogenic and thus the smoke is more harmful, she adds.Lighted cigarettes produce polonium and insoluble lead in the mainstream. Smokers inhale them deep into their lungs.As the airways branch into narrower and narrower passageways, the particles of smoke bearing radioactive residues get deposited at these branches.With these hotspots delivering high radiation doses, most lung cancers are formed in these regions, Parthasarathy, also a nuclear radiation expert, says. In 1982, hundreds of smokers stopped the habit after reading an article Radioactivity in Cigarette Smoke in the New England Journal of Medicine. T H Winters and J R DiFranza of the University of Massachussets Medical Centre wrote that cigarette contains radioactivity in the form of Polonium-210 and lead-210, notes Dr Parthasarathy.The report claimed that a person smoking one-and-a half pack of cigarettes per day receives a dose to certain regions of the lung equal to 300 X-Ray films of chest per year.Radioactivity in tobacco came from phosphatic fertilisers that contained uranium and its decay product radium 226, according to a former researcher at the US Department of Agriculture, T C Rao.The radium decays into a number of products including polonium 210 and lead 210. Tobacco roots may absorb some radioactivity from soil. However, Parthasarathy notes that Indian farmers do not use phosphatic fertilisers. Scientists at the Bhabha Atomic Research Centre have shown that polonium 210 levels in Indian tobacco are 10-15 times lowers than those in American tobacco.Parthsarthy quotes a former director of World Health Surveys at the US Centers for Disease Control, Dr Ravenholt that Americans receive more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source. American smokers smoke on an average 11,000 cigarettes annually. Many Indians are not far behind, he says. http://in.news.yahoo.com/061219/211/6aerv.html http://prfamerica.org/RadioactivityInCigaretteSmoke.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
