[FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "abutilon108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> 
> My guess is there will be a resurgence for some teachers and some 
will
> drift away.  Chances are there will be some divisions as no one will
> be recognized as the sole, supreme keeper of truth.  I imagine the
> movement won't end, certainly not completely until all the TBs are
> gone, and then chances are there will be some vestige of the 
movement
> carrying on much as there is with Yogananda and others.  Some small
> movement going on.
> 
> As for MMY's spirit descending on the Rajahs, sounds like the Holy
> Spirit and the disciples.  I imagine some will feel that some such
> phenomenon has taken place, or already has.
> 
> What do you think, John?

IMO, the most devout disciples will see visions of MMY during their 
meditation and dreams.  In jyotish, visions or dreams are found in 
the field of the 9th house, or house of the guru.  So, for people 
with jyotish knowledge, this observation is commonly accepted.  This 
is also the means whereby the spirits of our beloved dead relatives 
communicate to us.

Further, there is a subtle message in jyotish, which can be 
understood by making some iterations of some field relationships, 
that there is a synergistic relationship between Dharma, our belief 
system, and Kama, our desires.  That is, the desire of the Teacher or 
Dharma is to fulfill our Desires.  Conversely, the fulfillment of our 
Desire is Dharma or union with the Teacher or the Divine.

This is the allegorical message contained in Solomon's "Song of 
Song".  St. John of the Cross had also written a poem stating this 
relationship between the Lover and the Beloved.

There is further an aphorism in the Sermon on the Mount which states 
in effect that blessed are the sorrowful for they will be comforted.  
If you ponder the meaning of this aphorism, you will understand the 
deep message of cosmological significance.  It does not mean that we 
have to be miserable in order to find comfort.  It means that we need 
to recognize the higher level significance of Desire (i.e.transcend), 
or even the apparent failure to fulfill our desire.  As such, we will 
understand that our true Desire is to be in Union with the Divine.

In other ways of expression, Hart DeFouw, a noted Canadian jyotishi, 
stated that for those who suffer, their tears become the promise of 
becoming fecund once more.

In summary, IMO the spirit of MMY will descend on his disciples 
because he has become part of the universal consciousness that 
pervades all of creation.

Regards,

John R.



























> > To All:
> > 
> > This time period after the death of MMY leaves the TMO in a 
situation 
> > of mourning and doubt.  As in the other religions or movements, 
there 
> > appears to be time of resurgence of their teachers objectives 
after a 
> > some time (after 40 days perhaps of MMY's death).  Will there be 
a 
> > resurgence of TMO?  Division among the disciples of MMY?  Or, at 
worst, 
> > signs of the end of the movement?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] TM's place in history (Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY)

[Duveyoung]

I posted a review earlier today of the film Across The Universe --
which I loved.

In it, you'd have thunk they'd've made a biggie deal about Maharishi
since the film virtually took pieces of the lives of the Beatles and
reassembled them into lives of the film's fictional characters, but
nope. No Maharishi -- except there were a few Hari Krisna guys at the
place in the film where one would have expected a Maharishi-type
character to at least, you know, giggle.

Watch the film and see if you don't agree with this:  the era of
hippies, protests, Viet Nam War, sex, drugs and rock and roll was SO
MUCH BIGGER TO THE WORLD than "our" small pimple of "a movement" on 
that "body cultural."  I felt that all my identifications that the
film used, reused and brought back from the dead were from this
astoundingly huge datafile, while the TM stuff was as if zilch
comparatively.  I remember a few films, over the years, with Maharishi
types in them -- almost always derisively portrayed, but I remember at
least a whole decade where film after film was filled with a romantic
resonance with the fashions and fads and concepts that the hippy era
espoused -- with but a slight nod to meditation of any sort now and then.

The Beatles moved the world, man, and the TMP was hardly a blip on
civilization's radar.  See the film.  You tell me if you think TM
meant much to that world back then, or that those parts of the world
back then that TM DID affect were significant compared to the forces
arrayed during the counter-cultural era of the 60's, or after for that
matter.

The Maharishi Effect didn't do shit compared to whack that the
Sergeant Pepper album delivered to the masses.  What did TM do for the
qualities: peace, love, happiness, freedom, or even spirituality's
gaining a spotlight shone on it by American consciousness compared to
the Sergeant Pepper album?  Even the Hari Krishnas, for a time there,
had more media attention what with their aggressive tactics in the
airports etc.

We didn't matter.

And now, even CROWNS ON CLOWNS can't get us the spotlight again.

Thank God for that, at least, eh?  

Now, we can rest and put down that onus of explaining what we did back
when.  Media will allow us to fade into the recesses of Americana. 
And that's okay by me -- anything would be better than a full
investigation and a complete dissection of all things TMish.  Maybe if
I live another 20 - 30 years, on my death bed the nurses will never
have heard of TM at all, and I won't have to explain what I did with
my LIFE AND FAMILY AND CAREER AND HEART from 1971 to 2000 that
resulted in nothing anyone could remember in the least.

Not so big a failure either -- can't even get puffed up about being a
world class fuck up -- most lives are pissed away, most of us don't
rise to any heights, most of our lives are statistically insignificant
on every level.  As "a people" we didn't make more money than any
other group's members, didn't get more health, live longer, have less
divorces, or have more spiritual experiences, or, hey, we didn't even
get that bilked or that embarrassed by our guru.

We came, we saw, we frittered.

Edg



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nsm108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen the article on MMY's passing in the current Rolling 
> Stone magazine?
> It was quite positive, including the story of how the Doors met at a TM 
> introductory lecture and Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive he 
> would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good 
> work in the world.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[matrixmonitor]

--Of course he's done a lot of good! (his good deeds are immeasurably 
vast); OTOH his attitude sucks and he can't compare with somebody 
like Stan Brock as a genuine humanitarian, willing to get his hands 
dirty to help the lowest of the low.  That guy's a true Christian!  
MMY, not really.

http://www.ramusa.org/stan.html


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of nsm108
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:13 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
> 
>  
> 
> I can't believe the kind of response my post about this Rolling 
Stone 
> article has recieved.
> I am the first to admit that the movement is off the wall in a 
million 
> ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an incrediblly rich 
dark 
> side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't give some 
credit 
> to Maharishi for the good that he has done.
> He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by giving me the 
> ability to experience the absolute. You guys can rant on and on 
about 
> all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and I am in 
complete 
> agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem to have 
conviently 
> forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and MMY's message 
about 
> transcending the relative and experiencing the absolute. Complain 
all 
> you want, but for those of us whose lives have been helped by TM 
and 
> MMY, give a little credit.
> 
> I agree, and this has been my perspective since starting FFL. 
Inability to
> see the good MMY did is just another form of fundamentalism, which 
is
> unworthy of a sincere seeker of truth. It's much more interesting 
and
> liberating to acknowledge the good, the bad, and the ugly. Learn to 
embrace
> paradox and you'll feel at home everywhere.
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[dhamiltony2k5]

> >
> > From the article:
> >
> > "What changed the face of his career, according to Davidson,
> > was a meeting in 1992 with...the 14th Dalai Lama, who urged
> > him to home in on compassion as the object of serious and
> > rigorous study."
> 
> Exactly why I posted it. Not only does he not work for a Buddhist  
> institution, he does not benefit financially from people learning 
>to  
> meditate (done for free). Conversely MUM/MIU researchers benefit  
> directly from their marketing research to sell the product their  
> university requires for admission and their org sells. It's 
>actually  
> a large part of the cult mindset of that org, indoctrination into 
>TM  
> research begins when one learns TM.
>

So, a reason they didn't also use TMmovement meditators as a control, 
because they did not exhibit parameters of, compassion?  Only self-
interest?

Cool study though.  Makes sense to me. Is my experence.  Interesting 
article.

-Doug in FF

http://psyphz.psych.wisc.edu/web/News/OprahMar2008.pdf


March 2008 Oprah Magazine article "This is Your Brain on Happiness." 
with Dr. Richard Davidson.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of nsm108
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:13 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

 

I can't believe the kind of response my post about this Rolling Stone 
article has recieved.
I am the first to admit that the movement is off the wall in a million 
ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an incrediblly rich dark 
side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't give some credit 
to Maharishi for the good that he has done.
He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by giving me the 
ability to experience the absolute. You guys can rant on and on about 
all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and I am in complete 
agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem to have conviently 
forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and MMY's message about 
transcending the relative and experiencing the absolute. Complain all 
you want, but for those of us whose lives have been helped by TM and 
MMY, give a little credit.

I agree, and this has been my perspective since starting FFL. Inability to
see the good MMY did is just another form of fundamentalism, which is
unworthy of a sincere seeker of truth. It’s much more interesting and
liberating to acknowledge the good, the bad, and the ugly. Learn to embrace
paradox and you’ll feel at home everywhere.


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RE: [FairfieldLife] A Request

[Rick Archer]

 

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You talking to me?  

 

To everyone. If I wanted to address you specifically I would have done so.

 

How about deleting the fucked up post of that dumb bitch shwump or shrimp or
shemp or whatever his name was that makes me look like a Jew hater. As for
that llundrub stuff, man I must have been wasted. I can't remember a word of
it.

 

The point I was making is that if someone posts here anonymously, they won’t
be embarrassed later on if someone Googles their name. But if we’re
discussing someone by name, particularly if that person isn’t even a member
of FFL, perhaps we ought to be aware that whatever we write may be around
for a long time. I don’t know. It seems like something that would be hard to
control, and I certainly don’t want to take on the task of controlling it.
I’m just bringing up the issue so that everyone might be more sensitive to
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Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

So Vaj, this study you refer to,the Unique Effect
study, has it been replicated? Is it the only study of
its kind with this finding?  



--- Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 6:08 PM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > The argument between Judy and Vaj was mostly
> about
> > > who's form of meditation is better and who has
> the
> > > better scientific proof. I think the jury's
> still
> > > out.
> >
> > Actually, the argument between Vaj and me was
> about
> > whether the Buddhist researchers he champions had
> > shown that TM researchers hadn't shown that TM was
> > unique, as Vaj claims they did.
> >
> > I said the Buddhist researchers had ignored large
> > numbers of more recent TM studies and hadn't
> > bothered to grasp what the TM researchers were
> > actually saying about TM's uniqueness.
> >
> > As far as Vaj is concerned, the case against TM is
> > closed.
> >
> > I'm the one saying the jury is still out.
> >
> > (And with this post, I'm gone until Saturday.)
> 
> 
> Uh Judy, it might help to read the study I'm
> actually referring to-- 
> not the one you assumed I was talking about. The
> landmark study that  
> really dismantles a lot of the TM research brouhaha
> is entitled  
> Meditation: In Search of a Unique Effect. The bottom
> line is really  
> rather simple, when you actually compare TMers to
> controls, it turns  
> out to be not nearly as wonderful as what we were
> told and  
> indoctrinated on. In some cases the controls
> actually do better than  
> the TMers! And they are rather systematic about
> dismantling the  
> uniqueness claim while pointing out some good points
> here and there.
> 
> It's really rather a letdown to read. I wouldn't be
> surprised at all  
> to find out the TMO has tried to put countering faux
> research in place  
> over time to attempt to offset it. I wouldn't be
> surprised at all.
> 
> The research you're confusing with the research I'm
> referring to is  
> the Cambridge text. It showed a couple of important
> things, but the  
> most important IMO is that the very basis of the
> Maharishi Effect, the  
> much touted "coherence" that's used to recruit large
> numbers of  
> meditators is really not what we were lead to
> believe, not by a long  
> shot. Another big letdown.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Angela Mailander]

I agree with you completely and I can't understand why
people seriously expect that there will be no dark
side to any phenomenon.  




--- nsm108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > >> Really? Well that certainly does sound like an
> interesting story.
> > >>
> > > depends on whose world we're talking about,
> doesn't it? obviously in
> > > your world, no such thing has occurred.
> > 
> > ---Well, really? His work, or other's work?  He
> didn't do anything 
> alone. 
> > And finally, what did he do?  As based in the last
> seven years I 
> would 
> > honestly say that (1) American Superradiance was
> unhealthy, or (2) 
> > Invincibility is overrated and misplayed.
> >
> 
> I can't believe the kind of response my post about
> this Rolling Stone 
> article has recieved.
> I am the first to admit that the movement is off the
> wall in a million 
> ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an
> incrediblly rich dark 
> side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't
> give some credit 
> to Maharishi for the good that he has done.
> He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by
> giving me the 
> ability to experience the absolute.  You guys can
> rant on and on about 
> all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and
> I am in complete 
> agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem
> to have conviently 
> forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and
> MMY's message about 
> transcending the relative and experiencing the
> absolute.  Complain all 
> you want,  but for those of us whose lives have been
> helped by TM and 
> MMY, give a little credit.
> 
> 
> 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism

[dhamiltony2k5]

> > > > Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context.
> > > >
> > >

>The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment
>and warning, from scripture.

Interesting distinction you make though about this willing and 
unwilling possession.  
Are you experienced in the sense that you practice it?

Thinking back on earlier TMmovement days we didn't have much directly 
from Guru Dev in the way of quotes and readings.  Maharishi told 
stories about Guru Dev.  The one thing that was given out though was 
a quote from Guru Dev on this subject of spiritism.  It was sort of 
foundational material for ruddering the TMmovement in straight and 
narrow spiritual practice.  That... dabbling in spirits could be 
dangerous…   Maharishi was always firm in consul and coaching about 
this.

This quote was a printed one sheet paper that was very available 
around teacher trainings and on ATR courses: 


Guru Dev:
Speaking on the Value of a Human Birth and the Importance of Right 
Action
"Do good works without hesitation. The Jiva has been experiencing 
samsara for many, many births. It is only natural, therefore, that 
its tendencies have become worldly. To turn its tendencies toward 
Paramatman and away from samsara requires some effort. In reality, 
the aim of life is to stop the mind from involvement with this world. 
If one engages in spiritual practice and in thinking and speaking 
about God, the mind will start dwelling on Him and after some time it 
will withdraw from the world on its own.
In our daily affairs we should adopt a strategy of quickly attending 
to good works and things related to the Divine. Should any wrong 
thought arise, on the other hand, we should try to postpone it to 
another time by saying, "I'll do it tomorrow, or the day after next." 
In this way, wrong action can be continuously postponed.
To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva (angel or 
Divine being). Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to 
taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a deva is attained by 
those who perform certain sacrifices and karma, etc. associated with 
divinity, with the intention to enjoy divine pleasures. The minds of 
the devas wander incessantly because of the abundance of enjoyable 
things in the heavenly realms, and hence they cannot perform 
purushartha (Divine action - action in accord with the cosmic 
evolution and individual destiny). For this reason, the human birth 
is considered superior, because here, by doing as much purushartha as 
possible, one can eventually merge with God.
A human being is like a lump of pure gold, whereas devas are like 
pieces of fine jewelry. Having been perfected as jewelry, their 
progress is complete, and they cannot be further improved. On the 
other hand, gold which has not yet been crafted by the jeweler, has 
unlimited potential. Hence the birth of a human being is said to be 
the very best birth for action.
Having attained this birth, one should not act carelessly, but should 
conscientiously perform the best purushartha. Fulfilling one's own 
dharma while keeping faith in Paramatman is the greatest purushartha. 
Strive to become one with God in this lifetime. Have firm faith in 
the Vedas and Shastras (Vedic scripture) and keep the company of 
saints, mahatmas and wise people. Only then will the purpose of your 
life be fulfilled.
To get a human body is a rare thing—make full use of it. There are 
four million kinds of births which a soul can gather. After that one 
gets a human body. Therefore, one should not waste this opportunity. 
Every second in human life is very valuable. If you don't value this, 
then you will have nothing in hand and you will weep in the end.
Because you're human, God has given you power to think and decide 
what is good and bad. Therefore, you can do the best possible kind of 
action. You should never consider yourself weak or a fallen creature. 
Whatever may have happened up to now may be because you didn't know. 
But now be careful. After gaining a human body, if you don't reach 
God, then you have sold a diamond at the price of spinach.
http://www.srigurudev.net/srigurudev/gurudev/discourses.html




> "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > > What is the difference?  Are they different on a continum or 
> > > entirely 
> > > > different?  This "overshadowing" or 'channeling'.  
> > > > 
> > > > Invoking disembodied beings one way or another, just 
different 
> > > > frequencies of praying or communication?  Just wondering.
> > > > 
> > > > -Doug in FF
> > >

> > > nablusoss1008  
> > >wrote:
> > > 
> > > His Master is a yogi of high caliber, and may or may not be 
> > > disembodied. 
> > > 
> > > It is entirely different as it does not go against the free 
will 
> > of 
> > > the subject in any way.> 
> 
  
>  wrote:
> 
>  Interesting distinction, betwx willing and unwilling 
communication, 
> 
> > with the dis-incarnate?
> 
> Willing and unwilling?  Is there a point whe

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

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To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:46 PM
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>>
>> And lest they forget. This is not a joke. Good for you newcomers to 
> the 
>> Fairfield Life Yahoo Group to get a dose of castro oil to help you 
> get over 
>> your Maharishi was a good person fantasies.
> 
> 
> Sieg Hiel Kirk! Sieg Heil Vaj!
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] A Request

[Kirk]

You talking to me?  How about deleting the fucked up post of that dumb bitch 
shwump or shrimp or shemp or whatever his name was that makes me look like a 
Jew hater. As for that llundrub stuff, man I must have been wasted. I can't 
remember a word of it. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rick Archer 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:46 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] A Request


  Please be careful not to post things which may embarrass people when others 
search for their name. Especially people who aren’t even on FFL. I may later be 
asked to delete such threads, and they not only show up in FFL, but in 
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/. 
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com/msg82557.html is a 
case in point. I now have to contact the owners and try to have the thread 
deleted, and it’s a hassle for all concerned.

   

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

You're overreacting a bit, methinks. I just felt that the idea that John 
Lennon would rescind his gut beliefs as 'based in all the good maharishi has 
done for the world," was a bit naive.  Quit freaking out, Bro, it's all 
good.Thank God for Evian water too while you're at it, for bringing those 
famous French springs to the inner city.

- Original Message - 
From: "nsm108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >> Really? Well that certainly does sound like an interesting story.
>> >>
>> > depends on whose world we're talking about, doesn't it? obviously in
>> > your world, no such thing has occurred.
>>
>> ---Well, really? His work, or other's work?  He didn't do anything
> alone.
>> And finally, what did he do?  As based in the last seven years I
> would
>> honestly say that (1) American Superradiance was unhealthy, or (2)
>> Invincibility is overrated and misplayed.
>>
>
> I can't believe the kind of response my post about this Rolling Stone
> article has recieved.
> I am the first to admit that the movement is off the wall in a million
> ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an incrediblly rich dark
> side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't give some credit
> to Maharishi for the good that he has done.
> He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by giving me the
> ability to experience the absolute.  You guys can rant on and on about
> all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and I am in complete
> agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem to have conviently
> forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and MMY's message about
> transcending the relative and experiencing the absolute.  Complain all
> you want,  but for those of us whose lives have been helped by TM and
> MMY, give a little credit.
>
>
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[matrixmonitor]

--"In Bruges" playing at the Hillcrest, thanks for the tip.
  I liked "The Other Bolyn Girl", true story of King Henry VIII and the 
two Bolyn mistresses. As Paul Harvey would say, "The Rest is History".  
But as I told one of my co-workers who is a Biblical Fundamentalist, a 
consequence of Henry's Romanic shenanigans was his fallout with the 
Papacy.  Down the road a successor King (James I) was/is of course well 
known for his commissioning of a group of scholars to translate the 
Bible into English.  Thus, a curious chain of causes and effects on the 
part of Henry VIII eventually led to the growth of Protestantism i the 
West and eventually the Evangelical Movement. 


- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk"  
> wrote:
> >
> > I have watched both. I am not sure I loved either. My wife liked 
> Deadwood. I 
> > thought it was okay, simply because I like swearing. 
> 
> if you like swearing, you'll enjoy "In Bruges", a really dark comedy 
> about hitmen in Belgium. I just saw it this weekend with my daughter. 
> It really messed with my head, being ultra violent and dark, and at 
> the same time one of the funniest, tightest films I've seen in recent 
> memory. And the swearing is first class- screen play by an Irish guy--
 
> what do you expect?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> And lest they forget. This is not a joke. Good for you newcomers to 
the 
> Fairfield Life Yahoo Group to get a dose of castro oil to help you 
get over 
> your Maharishi was a good person fantasies.


Sieg Hiel Kirk! Sieg Heil Vaj!

[FairfieldLife] A Request

[Rick Archer]

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Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 6:08 PM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The argument between Judy and Vaj was mostly about
> who's form of meditation is better and who has the
> better scientific proof. I think the jury's still
> out.

Actually, the argument between Vaj and me was about
whether the Buddhist researchers he champions had
shown that TM researchers hadn't shown that TM was
unique, as Vaj claims they did.

I said the Buddhist researchers had ignored large
numbers of more recent TM studies and hadn't
bothered to grasp what the TM researchers were
actually saying about TM's uniqueness.

As far as Vaj is concerned, the case against TM is
closed.

I'm the one saying the jury is still out.

(And with this post, I'm gone until Saturday.)



Uh Judy, it might help to read the study I'm actually referring to-- 
not the one you assumed I was talking about. The landmark study that  
really dismantles a lot of the TM research brouhaha is entitled  
Meditation: In Search of a Unique Effect. The bottom line is really  
rather simple, when you actually compare TMers to controls, it turns  
out to be not nearly as wonderful as what we were told and  
indoctrinated on. In some cases the controls actually do better than  
the TMers! And they are rather systematic about dismantling the  
uniqueness claim while pointing out some good points here and there.


It's really rather a letdown to read. I wouldn't be surprised at all  
to find out the TMO has tried to put countering faux research in place  
over time to attempt to offset it. I wouldn't be surprised at all.


The research you're confusing with the research I'm referring to is  
the Cambridge text. It showed a couple of important things, but the  
most important IMO is that the very basis of the Maharishi Effect, the  
much touted "coherence" that's used to recruit large numbers of  
meditators is really not what we were lead to believe, not by a long  
shot. Another big letdown.

Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 6:08 PM, authfriend wrote:


As far as Vaj is concerned, the case against TM is
closed.



Of course it's not closed. They're under new management now. Things  
could change, but that does seem unlikely.


And not everyone quits because of side effects. For some people it can  
just happen to be the right meditation for them. But that seems  
somewhat rare. A toss of the die kinda thing. As I've pointed out  
numerous times before, mantra-diksha is a legitimate was to give  
mantra meditation. However, the mantra should be based on the person,  
not some formula. And this is where problems can arise.

[FairfieldLife] Free Downloads

[suziezuzie]

Check this out--loads of free downloads that are really great, even a
complete text program!

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2260070,00.asp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[nsm108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> >> Really? Well that certainly does sound like an interesting story.
> >>
> > depends on whose world we're talking about, doesn't it? obviously in
> > your world, no such thing has occurred.
> 
> ---Well, really? His work, or other's work?  He didn't do anything 
alone. 
> And finally, what did he do?  As based in the last seven years I 
would 
> honestly say that (1) American Superradiance was unhealthy, or (2) 
> Invincibility is overrated and misplayed.
>

I can't believe the kind of response my post about this Rolling Stone 
article has recieved.
I am the first to admit that the movement is off the wall in a million 
ways, and both Maharishi and the movement have an incrediblly rich dark 
side, but whats up with the fact that you guys can't give some credit 
to Maharishi for the good that he has done.
He certanly added a depth and richness to my life by giving me the 
ability to experience the absolute.  You guys can rant on and on about 
all the stuff that has gone down over the years (and I am in complete 
agreement with you about that stuff), but you seem to have conviently 
forgot about the whole basis for the TM movment and MMY's message about 
transcending the relative and experiencing the absolute.  Complain all 
you want,  but for those of us whose lives have been helped by TM and 
MMY, give a little credit.

Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

Well, thanks, Judy, for setting the record straight.  

--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
> > The argument between Judy and Vaj was mostly about
> > who's form of meditation is better and who has the
> > better scientific proof.  I think the jury's still
> > out.
> 
> Actually, the argument between Vaj and me was about
> whether the Buddhist researchers he champions had
> shown that TM researchers hadn't shown that TM was
> unique, as Vaj claims they did.
> 
> I said the Buddhist researchers had ignored large
> numbers of more recent TM studies and hadn't
> bothered to grasp what the TM researchers were
> actually saying about TM's uniqueness.
> 
> As far as Vaj is concerned, the case against TM is
> closed.
> 
> I'm the one saying the jury is still out.
> 
> (And with this post, I'm gone until Saturday.)
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 
> The argument between Judy and Vaj was mostly about
> who's form of meditation is better and who has the
> better scientific proof.  I think the jury's still
> out.

Actually, the argument between Vaj and me was about
whether the Buddhist researchers he champions had
shown that TM researchers hadn't shown that TM was
unique, as Vaj claims they did.

I said the Buddhist researchers had ignored large
numbers of more recent TM studies and hadn't
bothered to grasp what the TM researchers were
actually saying about TM's uniqueness.

As far as Vaj is concerned, the case against TM is
closed.

I'm the one saying the jury is still out.

(And with this post, I'm gone until Saturday.)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

And lest they forget. This is not a joke. Good for you newcomers to the 
Fairfield Life Yahoo Group to get a dose of castro oil to help you get over 
your Maharishi was a good person fantasies.

Maharishi University of Management,

Holland Celebrates the

Dawn of a New World Order of Peace

-the Rise of Perfection in World Politics and Economy



Four Nations Identified as Embodying the Cardinal Qualities of an Ideal 
State



An Historic Day of

Great Celebration for the World



Today, Maharishi University of Management celebrates the dawn of a New World 
Order of Peace, as demonstrated by the invincibility of President Fidel 
Castro of Cuba, the freedom of President Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe, the 
Divine Rulership of President Abdurrahman Wahid of Indonesia, and the 
casting off of corrupt democracy by President Robert Guei of the Ivory 
Coast.







These four Heads-of-State are four great forerunners of a forthcoming New 
World Order of Peace.



The present strength of their leadership is the first visible effect of 
improvement in the administration of nations. Their special qualities of 
ideal leadership demonstrate a rise in the world of Global Administration 
through Natural Law, and foreshadow a time soon to come when every nation 
will be sovereign, self-sufficient and invincible, yet will be united with 
all other nations in a world family enjoying perpetual peace.



During the past forty years, nine American Presidents have tried to 
overthrow or kill Fidel Castro, and have failed-he has demonstrated 
invincibility in the face of a giant nation of vast destructive military 
power.



President Robert Mugabe has stood firm against the hypocritical threats of 
Zimbabwe's former colonial master, and reminded Britain that Zimbabwe is not 
their colony anymore. He has demonstrated freedom, and stood against the 
savage depredations of the colonial past.



President Wahid, the first President honored as a saint by his people, has 
brought into the world of politics the qualities of purity, tolerance, 
harmony, and devotion to God. He is the First Divine Ruler of Indonesia.



President Guei has thrown off the faulty and corrupt democratic system 
imposed on so many nations by their former imperial overlords, and which has 
led only to chaos and plundering of the nation by an elite, while the poor 
remain pressed under the weight of their misery.



The world is awakening to the reality that the old order is passing, and a 
New World Order of Peace is dawning. The new order will be characterized by 
these very qualities of the four Presidents-invincibility, freedom, divine 
rule, and the transformation of corrupt and failing democracies into 
governments that unify and nourish on the basis of the support of the 
evolutionary power of Natural Law.







A Sovereign Government Accepts A New Principle for the Eradication of 
Poverty without Foreign Debt



There is a yet another cause for celebration today-the sovereign government 
of Zimbabwe has accepted a new principle to eradicate poverty without the 
need for ruinous foreign loans.



A frank evaluation of the performance of the IMF and World Bank indicates 
that they have not eradicated poverty at all. But they have overshadowed the 
sovereignty of nations, placed upon them heavy burdens of debt, and created 
chaos and social disorder.



Maharishi University of Management has proposed a new approach to the 
eradication of poverty- the coupon principle.



In every poor nation there are vast tracts of unused fertile land, which 
have never been polluted by chemicals. This land could be developed to grow 
organic food for export to wealthy countries.



To fund this development the government doesn't need to borrow from abroad. 
It just issues an alternative currency-a coupon-and loans it to the project 
for the start-up costs, and to immediately improve the farmer's housing and 
living conditions.



The coupon's validity is restricted to the locale of the project, and it 
lasts for only a three-year period-and thus inflation is avoided. When the 
first crop is exported and dollars are earned, the government coupon loan is 
repaid by the project in dollars. So today's government issued coupon 
becomes tomorrow's dollar in the National Treasury.



The profitable organic food exports will ensure that the poverty of the 
whole nation is rapidly eliminated, as the world is going to need more and 
more organic food year after year, because of the pollution of the soil in 
the wealthy countries.



It is a simple, self-sufficient scheme to eradicate poverty without foreign 
debt, and today the Ministers of the Government of Zimbabwe have applauded 
and accepted this principle.







Building Maharishi Vedic University at Mosi-oa-Tunya-Victoria Falls-a New 
Spiritual Center of Africa



There is yet one more reason to celebrate today-the signing of an agreement 
to create the Spiritual Center of Africa at Victoria Falls-Mosi-oa-Tunya-the 
smoke th

Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 
> Und man braucht nicht alles lesen was hier geschrieben
> wird.  Man vermisst wirklich nichts.  
> a 

:-)

[FairfieldLife] Good Gurus

[Kirk]

These are good gurus. They have done much to divest India of prejudice to women
http://www.devipuram.com/home.php

Here's a good available traditional Hindu guru and a living saint - Shree Maa
http://www.shreemaa.org/drupal/

You can't touch them.

These are the real deal. 
Here's a true guru of Tibetan Buddhist faith who runs traditional retreats.
http://palyul.org/

Here's an awesome gompa
http://www.zangdokpalri.org/



There are more of course. I have lost some contacts that I had from last year 
when I was combing the web for charities. There are countless gurus and lamas 
who run orphanages, who work with the UN to try to get notice for human and 
animal and land rights. And so on. 

I think there must be a formula for determining the goodness/benefit of a guru 
or spiritual figure, but obviously notoriety is not it.  

Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

Hagen,
there was some discussion about the laws of Manu in
this forum some time back, and, as I recall, they were
absurd and draconian in the extreme.  But let's let
that pass.  I am not an anarchist and I get your
point. 

Anagoge, in my usage of the term, is language that is
literal and metaphoric at the same time.  Cutting off
a clit, for example, has a literal meaning in many
Muslim cultures--a horrendous practice.  In my use of
the term it also had a metaphoric meaning of having a
blissful experience of any kind that could be
regulated or outlawed by a church or a government. 

The argument between Judy and Vaj was mostly about
who's form of meditation is better and who has the
better scientific proof.  I think the jury's still
out.  

Und man braucht nicht alles lesen was hier geschrieben
wird.  Man vermisst wirklich nichts.  
a 



--- "Hagen J. Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Angela,
> 
> I again have to confess that I had not been having
> the time to follow the discussion between Judy and
> Vaj. Anyhow it is diffcult for me to keep pace with
> the flood of contributions in this list, and I
> sometimes get smitten by the indefinite feeling that
> I would miss a lot, which last but no least reminds
> me again to a saying of Maharishi: "Do not think you
> will miss something, because if you think so, you
> will really miss it." Therefore I will try to take a
> back seat, by limiting myself down to the casual joy
> of jumping on the rotating swing, whenever I feel
> something substantial to be added. But in the next
> moment I feel getting slung down again by its
> enormous centrifugal force. And I precautiously
> apologize to all - allowing me to speak for me and
> for others -, who may not feel having got enough
> attention to what they have been saying so far. But
> I am sure that it has been "heard" somewhere, in
> order to say it in anagoge terms. (I like that word
> of yours and feel tended to use it from now on in
> every second sentence - may be because I am not
> understanding its real meaning, which constantly
> excites me ... :-).) 
> 
> It is similar to the situation with the daily
> newspaper. If I tried to read all, I definitely
> would have to go for retirement.
> 
> But coming back to the topic of law making. Was it
> not Manu, who played a great role in Indian
> mythology as the first law giver ? I do not see any
> necessity to be scared about laws, like for example
> nature laws, karmic laws, "unwritten" laws etc. I
> guess we have to be much more scared about our
> (un)natural tendency to discharge melodramas out of
> nothingness instead of calming us down and take a
> second look upon the snake.
> 
> Hagen
> 
> I'm glad you are a gentleman, Hagen. You are
> certainly right about some things. It is true that I
> take an irritatingly dim view of any spiritual
> movement insofar as its future is concerned. I've
> yet
> to see one that didn't degenerate into a religion,
> and, as such, didn't try to repress the genuinely
> spiritual impulses that gave it birth. Perhaps the
> problem lies in the designation "realizing the
> divine." My divine inspiration may be your satanic
> verses. 
> 
> As for "mental scientists" making laws about which
> "religious" practices are OK and which aren't --I
> find
> that concept very scary. Just look at the argument
> recently between Judy and Vaj. Would you trust
> either
> one of them to make such laws? 
>  
>  


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Vaj]

Yeah I'd heard about this. It's amazing what people will believe.  
We'll see more fraudulent lamas like this, I have no doubt. It is  
important people speak out and spread the word when this happens.


On Mar 3, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Kirk wrote:

Yeah I liked the story of the poor Indians he talked into shunning  
allopathic treatment, in lieu of his Ayurvedic treatments, promising  
to save their lives. Then when they died, he sent money collectors  
to collect on the money from the survivors.


Unfortunately that's the story of many groups, such as this  
recent post on Esangha about a monk at NKT

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=65937

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

Yeah I liked the story of the poor Indians he talked into shunning allopathic 
treatment, in lieu of his Ayurvedic treatments, promising to save their lives. 
Then when they died, he sent money collectors to collect on the money from the 
survivors.

Unfortunately that's the story of many groups, such as this recent post on 
Esangha about a monk at NKT
http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/index.php?showtopic=65937

[FairfieldLife] Why McWar wants Obama to win nomination

[bob_brigante]

"Indeed, every criticism Clinton has made of Obama – he lacks 
experience, he is all flourish and no substance, he gives shoot-from-
the-hip answers to serious questions – falls into McCain's lap, ready 
for instant use in the general election. 
But, unfortunately for Obama, the reverse is not true. The criticisms 
of McCain made by his primary opponents – he twice voted against 
Bush's tax cuts, he cooperated with Ted Kennedy on immigration reform 
and with Russ Feingold on campaign-finance reform, he said that 
waterboarding was torture and should not be used, he scorned 
fundamentalist Christian leaders, he supported stem cell research, he 
opposed a constitutional amendment banning same sex marriage, he 
expressed doubts about Samuel Alito – cannot be appropriated by Obama 
because these are his positions, too.
With the Iraq War either neutralized or migrating to McCain's side, 
and with the sharp distinction on social issues blurred by McCain's 
heterodoxy (called apostasy by his critics from the right), Obama is 
left with health care (he would probably get the better of that one) 
and with the economy where there is in fact a genuine opposition 
between a firm free-trader and tax-cutter on the one hand, and a 
critic of Nafta whose economic policies might have the effect of 
raising taxes on the other. But that is a contrast that might not 
play too well in a general election campaign that lasts less than two 
months.
And Obama will not even be able to saddle McCain with the legacy of 
an unpopular administration, given that more often than not he has 
been viewed as a Bush opponent, except on the war, and on that issue 
his loyalty to the president's policy will do him harm only with 
those hard-core liberals who would never vote for a Republican 
anyway. 
With Obama as his opponent, McCain has the advantage every which way. 
He continues to get mileage out of the straight-talk express, and at 
the same time he also has the political flexibility that comes along 
with having taken a few detours along the way, and talked out of 
several sides of his mouth.

http://tinyurl.com/2wstjp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:52 PM, sandiego108 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:12 PM, nsm108 wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > All of who's good work in the world?
> >
> > Maharishi's good work in the world...
>
>
> Really? Well that certainly does sound like an interesting story.
>
depends on whose world we're talking about, doesn't it? obviously in
your world, no such thing has occurred.



Yeah I liked the story of the poor Indians he talked into shunning  
allopathic treatment, in lieu of his Ayurvedic treatments, promising  
to save their lives. Then when they died, he sent money collectors to  
collect on the money from the survivors.

[FairfieldLife] Gaza and Israel are on the brink of war

[nablusoss1008]

Dear friends, 

Gaza and Israel are on the brink of all-out war - before it's too 
late, let's raise a massive global outcry for a ceasefire to stop the 
violence and protect civilians:
Sign the Emergency Petition
The Gaza-Israel crisis is out of control. It's come to this: 
bloody full-scale invasion, or a cease-fire.1 With rockets raining 
down on both sides, Israel launched a ground assault into the Gaza 
Strip this weekend.2 Three Israelis and over a hundred Palestinians, 
many of them civilians and children, lie dead already.3 The next 48 
hours are crucial -- Israel's cabinet will discuss a larger invasion 
Wednesday. But Hamas floated a Gaza ceasefire months ago, and 64% of 
Israelis support the idea.4 

Both sides know they are in a battle for global legitimacy, and 
international opinion counts. We need a massive global outcry for a 
cease-fire now -- sign the emergency petition below, then forward 
this message to friends and family. We will deliver our petition to 
senior Israeli and Palestinian leaders this week, as well as in a 
major billboard campaign: 

http://www.avaaz.org/en/gaza_ceasefire_now/5.php 

Citizens on both sides are desperate for safety. Many experts believe 
that without a ceasefire to stabilize Gaza, there is no chance for 
achieving a comprehensive peace and a fair two-state deal. While the 
US still maintains no-one must talk to Hamas, Israel itself has begun 
to break that taboo. Public reports and our own contacts indicate 
that European and Arab officials now support a Gaza ceasefire, as 
does Palestinian President Abbas. 

Like the Hezbollah-Israel war of 2006, this conflict is spinning out 
of control. Just as it did then, international pressure can help 
achieve a ceasefire today. The combatants take public opinion very 
seriously. So let's send a united global message to the warring 
parties to stop the violence -- sign the petition and spread the word 
today: 

http://www.avaaz.org/en/gaza_ceasefire_now/5.php 

With hope and determination, 

Paul, Galit, Esra'a, Ricken, Ben, Graziela, Pascal and the whole 
Avaaz team 

PS The UN has already called for both sides to cease all acts of 
violence5 -- the European Union, Turkey, Russia, the UK, Jordan, 
Saudi Arabia and many other states have joined the global chorus. 
This is not just a war but a growing humanitarian crisis. Last month 
we met with EU Middle East envoy Marc Otte and senior advisers in 
European member states to deliver a call for a ceasefire and an 
internationally-overseen opening of the Gaza crossings, and we have 
seen progress since from the international community.6 There is much 
more to do. We've campaigned hard for real Middle East talks, but 
unless Gaza is stabilised, no lasting peace is possible. 

Sources:

1. Invasion or ceasefire – Guardian news report on the Israeli debate:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/03/israel.gaza 

2. The Times of London news report - both sides claiming success, 110 
dead:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3473788
.ece 

Missiles now reaching the Israeli city of Ashkelon:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iDwNccgnikUMFy7O6LWaLsmaFUqwD8V5I2I
00 

3. Reports differ about casualty counts from the weekend operation - 
the IDF says 90% of those killed were militants, but respected 
Israeli human rights organisation Bt'selem reports that 54 of 106 
Palestinians killed did not take part in the fighting:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/960338.html 

4. 64% of Israelis support ceasefire talks with Hamas:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/958473.html 

President Abbas wants to help broker such a ceasefire: 
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3514385,00.html 

5. UN and EU call for an end to the violence:
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsMaps/idUSN0127116720080302 

6. European and international policy shifting:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/956434.html 
and http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/951934.html 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

>> Really? Well that certainly does sound like an interesting story.
>>
> depends on whose world we're talking about, doesn't it? obviously in
> your world, no such thing has occurred.

---Well, really? His work, or other's work?  He didn't do anything alone. 
And finally, what did he do?  As based in the last seven years I would 
honestly say that (1) American Superradiance was unhealthy, or (2) 
Invincibility is overrated and misplayed.

Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Hagen J. Holtz]

Angela,

I again have to confess that I had not been having the time to follow the 
discussion between Judy and Vaj. Anyhow it is diffcult for me to keep pace with 
the flood of contributions in this list, and I sometimes get smitten by the 
indefinite feeling that I would miss a lot, which last but no least reminds me 
again to a saying of Maharishi: "Do not think you will miss something, because 
if you think so, you will really miss it." Therefore I will try to take a back 
seat, by limiting myself down to the casual joy of jumping on the rotating 
swing, whenever I feel something substantial to be added. But in the next 
moment I feel getting slung down again by its enormous centrifugal force. And I 
precautiously apologize to all - allowing me to speak for me and for others -, 
who may not feel having got enough attention to what they have been saying so 
far. But I am sure that it has been "heard" somewhere, in order to say it in 
anagoge terms. (I like that word of yours and feel tended to use it from now on 
in every second sentence - may be because I am not understanding its real 
meaning, which constantly excites me ... :-).) 

It is similar to the situation with the daily newspaper. If I tried to read 
all, I definitely would have to go for retirement.

But coming back to the topic of law making. Was it not Manu, who played a great 
role in Indian mythology as the first law giver ? I do not see any necessity to 
be scared about laws, like for example nature laws, karmic laws, "unwritten" 
laws etc. I guess we have to be much more scared about our (un)natural tendency 
to discharge melodramas out of nothingness instead of calming us down and take 
a second look upon the snake.

Hagen

I'm glad you are a gentleman, Hagen. You are
certainly right about some things. It is true that I
take an irritatingly dim view of any spiritual
movement insofar as its future is concerned. I've yet
to see one that didn't degenerate into a religion,
and, as such, didn't try to repress the genuinely
spiritual impulses that gave it birth. Perhaps the
problem lies in the designation "realizing the
divine." My divine inspiration may be your satanic
verses. 

As for "mental scientists" making laws about which
"religious" practices are OK and which aren't --I find
that concept very scary. Just look at the argument
recently between Judy and Vaj. Would you trust either
one of them to make such laws? 
 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 3:03 PM, Stu wrote:

Davidson's research precedes his meeting the Dalai Lama.  The Dalai  
Lama discovered Davidson and helped him promotes some of his  
research findings.  There was quite a stir a few years ago when the  
Dalai Lama was invited to speak at a neuro-psych conference.


Yes that's right. HH actually has had a deep interest in science and  
neuroscience in particular, for some time now. For many years they've  
held a scientific conference in Dharamsala, India several of which  
have been published as books.


The form of meditation that Davidson uses in his studies are not the  
form taught in Tibet but are Mindfulness practices consistent with  
the Theravada tradition.  In fact the Dalia Lama does not openly  
promote meditation his books and lectures usually center around the  
Buddhist concept of compassion.


Well actually he's studied quite a few. The ones that made him famous  
were his research with Jon Kabat-Zinn with MBSR (Mindfulness Based  
Stress Reduction, which is Mindfulness Meditation) and cortical  
thickening--thus proving "neuroplasticity" in the brain. But his other  
study which was such a mind blower, since it was the first study  
really since the 50's which showed EEG evidence of samadhi, was his  
research on high-amplitude gamma coherence of yogis in samadhi-- 
including at least one westerner. This form of meditation is actually  
a form of nondual meditation called "non-referential  
compassion" (Tib.: dmigs med snying rje; Skt., niralambanakaruṇā).


He's studied some other forms as well, including TM but he found the  
TM researchers really like to exaggerate on the most minor findings.



I have now had the pleasure of attending a number of conferences  
given by the psychology dept at UCLA.  A friend of mine is a  
practicing shrink and has to attend these for continuing education.   
When the subject of recent meditation research comes up,  
consistently it starts with a researcher who is astounded by the  
findings.  This motivates them to take up the practice themselves.   
Not unlike young rationalist like myself who was mesmerized by  
charts and tables back in the 70's.


When asked to recommend a practice, researchers like Davidson will  
not give a specific answer.  He has been known to support TM as well  
as the Mindfulness movement.


It is important to note that the Mindfulness movement in Los Angeles  
is best expressed through a group called "Insight LA".  A group of  
volunteers who teach meditation out of their homes through out the  
city at no cost.  This grassroots movement is much to be admired.  I  
often hope that now that the old man has kicked that perhaps TM can  
begin to be expressed freely through the culture rather that as a  
commodity.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:12 PM, nsm108 wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > All of who's good work in the world?
> >
> > Maharishi's good work in the world...
> 
> 
> Really? Well that certainly does sound like an interesting story.
>
depends on whose world we're talking about, doesn't it? obviously in 
your world, no such thing has occurred.

[FairfieldLife] In Bruges [was Re: Religion as Opium]

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Oh cool. I'll check it out.
> 
great-- I'd be interested to know what you think.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question about survey

[Angela Mailander]

thanks.  I kind of suspected, based on my friendship
with four excellent Muslim men, that human beings were
human beings the world over. 



--- "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > It occurs to me to ask about the survey that
> allegedly
> > shows that most Muslims believe in murder.  Who
> did
> > the survey?  Were they impartial with regard to
> our
> > current war with the Muslim world?  Was the fact
> that
> > we are at war with these people in any way allowed
> > for?  I mean if this was a survey made by the
> white
> > boys, is it really reliable?  Just asking.  a
> 
> 
> 
> All human beings are the same. They all have the
> same emotions. All
> laugh when happy and weep when sad. There are no
> broad civilizations
> that produce radically different behavior in human
> beings.
> 
> All are capable of violence. (Christians killed tens
> of millions in
> the course of the 20th century, far, far more than
> did Muslims). Few
> commit much violence except in war.
> 
> You can walk around any place in Cairo at 1 am
> perfectly safely, but
> cannot do that everywhere safely in many major US
> cities, including
> the nation's capital, Washington, DC.
> 
> Even the idea of Islam as a cultural world or
> civilization opposed to
> the Christian West is a false construct. Eastern
> Mediterranean honor
> cultures (Greece, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Syria) have
> more in common with
> each other across the Christian-Muslim divide than
> either has in
> common with Britain or the US.
> 
> And, Muslim states don't make their alliances by
> religion.
> 
> Egypt was allied with the Soviet Union in the 1960s,
> then switched to
> the US in the 1970s and until the present.
> 
> Four of the five non-NATO allies of the US are
> Muslim countries.
> Turkey is even a full NATO ally and fought along
> side the US in the
> Korean War. [...]
> 
> The Bush administration policy is to continually
> insinuate that the
> Muslim world is the new Soviet Union and full of
> sinister forces that
> require the US to go to war against them. But at the
> same time,
> America has warm relations with Morocco, Algeria,
> Tunisia, Senegal,
> Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the
> UAE, Bahrain,
> Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia,
> Kyrgyzstan,
> Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan,
> etc., etc. When
> Saudi Arabia's then crown prince (now king) Abdullah
> came to the US,
> Bush brought him to the Crawford ranch, held hands
> with him and kissed
> him on each cheek.
> 
> This two-faced policy and self-contradictory
> rhetoric has contributed
> to growing hatred and bigotry toward Muslims in the
> US, which is no
> less worrisome than the hatred Jews faced in Europe
> in the 1920s. It
> is dangerous because of what it can become.
> 
> Read the whole thing:
>
http://www.juancole.com/2006/03/bigotry-toward-muslims-and-anti-arab.html
> 
> 
> =
> 
> Most Muslims 'desire democracy'
> 
> BBC News, February 27, 2008
>
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/7267100.stm
> 
> 
> The largest survey to date of Muslims worldwide
> suggests the vast
> majority want Western democracy and freedoms, but do
> not want them to
> be imposed.
> 
> The poll by Gallup of more than 50,000 Muslims in 35
> nations found
> most wanted the West to instead focus on changing
> its negative view of
> Muslims and Islam.
> 
> The huge survey began following the 11 September
> 2001 attacks in the US.
> 
> The overwhelming majority of those asked condemned
> them and subsequent
> attacks, citing religious reasons.
> 
> The poll, which claims to represent the views of 90%
> the world's 1.3
> billion Muslims, is to be published next month as
> part of a book
> entitled Who Speaks For Islam? What A Billion
> Muslims Really Think.
> 
> New policies
> 
> According to the book, the survey of the world's
> Muslim community was
> commissioned by Gallup's chairman, Jim Clifton,
> shortly after US
> President George W Bush asked in a 2001 speech: "Why
> do they hate us?"
> 
> Mr Bush wondered why radical Islamist militant
> groups such as al-Qaeda
> hated democratically elected governments, as well as
> "our freedom of
> religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote
> and assembly and
> disagree with each other".
> 
> But one of the book's authors, John Esposito, says
> the survey's
> results suggest Muslims - ironically even many of
> the 7% classing
> themselves as "radical" - in fact admire the West
> for its democracy
> and freedoms. However, they do not want such things
> imposed on them.
> 
> "Muslims want self-determination, but not an
> American-imposed and
> defined democracy. They don't want secularism or
> theocracy," said the
> professor of Islamic Studies at Georgetown
> University in Washington.
> 
> "What the majority wants is democracy with religious
> values."
> 
> Mr Esposito said "radical" Muslims believed

[FairfieldLife] Re: Unity Consciousness?

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 Well, actually, dual-awareness originated from non-dual 
awareness, according to MMY's 
> Vedic Cosmology...
> 
I would instead say that dual-awareness originated from 
undifferentiated awareness, like waking up from sleep, and then dual-
awareness ripens into non-dual awareness, like falling in love.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[Kirk]

Oh cool. I'll check it out.

- Original Message - 
From: "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:40 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>>
>> I have watched both. I am not sure I loved either. My wife liked 
> Deadwood. I 
>> thought it was okay, simply because I like swearing. 
> 
> if you like swearing, you'll enjoy "In Bruges", a really dark comedy 
> about hitmen in Belgium. I just saw it this weekend with my daughter. 
> It really messed with my head, being ultra violent and dark, and at 
> the same time one of the funniest, tightest films I've seen in recent 
> memory. And the swearing is first class- screen play by an Irish guy-- 
> what do you expect? 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[Kirk]

Hey, I'm sorry I said that . You got me that time. Really. Peace.

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From: "nablusoss1008" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:52 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of 
TMO?


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> We have already speculated ad nauseum for the last five years.
> SNIP
> '
> This should be obvious since those closest to him look like spooks
>
> Get a checking.
> Your eyesight would improove.
>
>
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Or go to:
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 4:12 PM, nsm108 wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> All of who's good work in the world?

Maharishi's good work in the world...



Really? Well that certainly does sound like an interesting story.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Question about survey

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It occurs to me to ask about the survey that allegedly
> shows that most Muslims believe in murder.  Who did
> the survey?  Were they impartial with regard to our
> current war with the Muslim world?  Was the fact that
> we are at war with these people in any way allowed
> for?  I mean if this was a survey made by the white
> boys, is it really reliable?  Just asking.  a



All human beings are the same. They all have the same emotions. All
laugh when happy and weep when sad. There are no broad civilizations
that produce radically different behavior in human beings.

All are capable of violence. (Christians killed tens of millions in
the course of the 20th century, far, far more than did Muslims). Few
commit much violence except in war.

You can walk around any place in Cairo at 1 am perfectly safely, but
cannot do that everywhere safely in many major US cities, including
the nation's capital, Washington, DC.

Even the idea of Islam as a cultural world or civilization opposed to
the Christian West is a false construct. Eastern Mediterranean honor
cultures (Greece, Bulgaria, Lebanon, Syria) have more in common with
each other across the Christian-Muslim divide than either has in
common with Britain or the US.

And, Muslim states don't make their alliances by religion.

Egypt was allied with the Soviet Union in the 1960s, then switched to
the US in the 1970s and until the present.

Four of the five non-NATO allies of the US are Muslim countries.
Turkey is even a full NATO ally and fought along side the US in the
Korean War. [...]

The Bush administration policy is to continually insinuate that the
Muslim world is the new Soviet Union and full of sinister forces that
require the US to go to war against them. But at the same time,
America has warm relations with Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Senegal,
Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, Qatar, the UAE, Bahrain,
Turkey, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Kyrgyzstan,
Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, etc., etc. When
Saudi Arabia's then crown prince (now king) Abdullah came to the US,
Bush brought him to the Crawford ranch, held hands with him and kissed
him on each cheek.

This two-faced policy and self-contradictory rhetoric has contributed
to growing hatred and bigotry toward Muslims in the US, which is no
less worrisome than the hatred Jews faced in Europe in the 1920s. It
is dangerous because of what it can become.

Read the whole thing:
http://www.juancole.com/2006/03/bigotry-toward-muslims-and-anti-arab.html


=

Most Muslims 'desire democracy'

BBC News, February 27, 2008
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/americas/7267100.stm


The largest survey to date of Muslims worldwide suggests the vast
majority want Western democracy and freedoms, but do not want them to
be imposed.

The poll by Gallup of more than 50,000 Muslims in 35 nations found
most wanted the West to instead focus on changing its negative view of
Muslims and Islam.

The huge survey began following the 11 September 2001 attacks in the US.

The overwhelming majority of those asked condemned them and subsequent
attacks, citing religious reasons.

The poll, which claims to represent the views of 90% the world's 1.3
billion Muslims, is to be published next month as part of a book
entitled Who Speaks For Islam? What A Billion Muslims Really Think.

New policies

According to the book, the survey of the world's Muslim community was
commissioned by Gallup's chairman, Jim Clifton, shortly after US
President George W Bush asked in a 2001 speech: "Why do they hate us?"

Mr Bush wondered why radical Islamist militant groups such as al-Qaeda
hated democratically elected governments, as well as "our freedom of
religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assembly and
disagree with each other".

But one of the book's authors, John Esposito, says the survey's
results suggest Muslims - ironically even many of the 7% classing
themselves as "radical" - in fact admire the West for its democracy
and freedoms. However, they do not want such things imposed on them.

"Muslims want self-determination, but not an American-imposed and
defined democracy. They don't want secularism or theocracy," said the
professor of Islamic Studies at Georgetown University in Washington.

"What the majority wants is democracy with religious values."

Mr Esposito said "radical" Muslims believed in democracy even more
than many of the moderate Muslims questioned.

"The radicals are better educated, have better jobs, and are more
hopeful with regard to the future than mainstream Muslims," he added.

"But they're more cynical about whether they'll ever get it."

The research also indicates most Muslims want guarantees of freedom of
speech and would not want religious leaders to have a role in drafting
constitutions.

Those polled also said the most important thing the West could do to
improve relati

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I have watched both. I am not sure I loved either. My wife liked 
Deadwood. I 
> thought it was okay, simply because I like swearing. 

if you like swearing, you'll enjoy "In Bruges", a really dark comedy 
about hitmen in Belgium. I just saw it this weekend with my daughter. 
It really messed with my head, being ultra violent and dark, and at 
the same time one of the funniest, tightest films I've seen in recent 
memory. And the swearing is first class- screen play by an Irish guy-- 
what do you expect? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[Kirk]

> This should be obvious since those closest to him look like spooks
>
> Get a checking.
> Your eyesight would improove.

What was that psychorodent? Are you sniveling again while you knaw at 
another post? Try flossing and maybe your spelking wilt impoove. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

It certainly wasn't charitable work. It's also quite certain that it was 
less selfless than the average life of a typical yogi in India. We could 
discuss now about skimming hundreds of millions of dollars out of the 
country, or wait until you're ready.

Maybe there is ome objective thing Maharishi has done somewhere that you 
could place your finger upon to show his good works. By objective I mean 
something agreed upon as of benefit to humanity which people could easily 
see if they looked. By objective, I mean by someone outside of the TM 
hegemony.

Let's start with economic theories - what is Maharishi's economic theory 
again? At least Ananda Marga's Anandamurti had one of those.

Oh wait, you mean Maharishi's contribution to the Vedic Knowledge starting 
with his Aparushaya Bhashya right? Okay, now I got cha. How did that go 
again?

I know Maharishi brought a brand of meditation to my neck of the woods and 
for that I'm forever grateful, but so have, at last count, thousands of 
other Buddhist and Hindu preachers.

What was the difference again?



- Original Message - 
From: "nsm108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 3:12 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>>
>> All of who's good work in the world?
>
> Maharishi's good work in the world...
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "nsm108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: 
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:58 PM
>> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
>>
>>
>> > Has anyone seen the article on MMY's passing in the current
> Rolling
>> > Stone magazine?
>> > It was quite positive, including the story of how the Doors met
> at a TM
>> > introductory lecture and Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive
> he
>> > would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his
> good
>> > work in the world.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > To subscribe, send a message to:
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>> > Or go to:
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>> >
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>
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[FairfieldLife] Question about survey

[Angela Mailander]

It occurs to me to ask about the survey that allegedly
shows that most Muslims believe in murder.  Who did
the survey?  Were they impartial with regard to our
current war with the Muslim world?  Was the fact that
we are at war with these people in any way allowed
for?  I mean if this was a survey made by the white
boys, is it really reliable?  Just asking.  a

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[nsm108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> All of who's good work in the world? 

Maharishi's good work in the world...
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "nsm108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:58 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY
> 
> 
> > Has anyone seen the article on MMY's passing in the current 
Rolling 
> > Stone magazine?
> > It was quite positive, including the story of how the Doors met 
at a TM 
> > introductory lecture and Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive 
he 
> > would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his 
good 
> > work in the world.
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Story from Ben Collins

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> About two BILLION people on Earth live on ONE dollar a day.
> 
> If we could get those folks to TWO dollars a day, death of children
> dramatically subsides.
> 
> Do any of us here think we can enter the mindset of living in such
> poverty?

You are on to something very important here Egd, my friend.
30.000 children are dying every day unnecessary because we are not 
willing to share. 
How can we be a part of this, and call ourself men ?

http://www.shareintl.org

Re: [FairfieldLife] Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[Kirk]

All of who's good work in the world? 

- Original Message - 
From: "nsm108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:58 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY


> Has anyone seen the article on MMY's passing in the current Rolling 
> Stone magazine?
> It was quite positive, including the story of how the Doors met at a TM 
> introductory lecture and Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive he 
> would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good 
> work in the world.
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!' 
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>

[FairfieldLife] Rolling Stone Magazine Article on MMY

[nsm108]

Has anyone seen the article on MMY's passing in the current Rolling 
Stone magazine?
It was quite positive, including the story of how the Doors met at a TM 
introductory lecture and Yoko Ono saying that if John was alive he 
would have probably reconciled with Maharishi due to all of his good 
work in the world.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We have already speculated ad nauseum for the last five years. 
 SNIP
'
This should be obvious since those closest to him look like spooks 

Get a checking. 
Your eyesight would improove.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[Kirk]

Not that anyone will believe or needs to believe, but here it is. I had a 
dream before M bought it.  Not that dreams mean anything more than regular 
thoughts. But here goes.

Maharishi was a very very long thin waterfall, and then he shifted to a 
short fat waterfall, and then that was it.

Okay, over to you

- Original Message - 
From: "Kirk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of 
TMO?


> We have already speculated ad nauseum for the last five years. Of course
> finding such speculation amongst the millions of posts would be difficult.
> For many of us Maharishi died many years ago. His physical death was but
> some sort of final dying.
>
> This should be obvious since those closest to him look like spooks from
> Casper the Friendly Ghost - albiet, Casper's evil brothers.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:50 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of
> TMO?
>
>
>> To All:
>>
>> This time period after the death of MMY leaves the TMO in a situation
>> of mourning and doubt.  As in the other religions or movements, there
>> appears to be time of resurgence of their teachers objectives after a
>> some time (after 40 days perhaps of MMY's death).  Will there be a
>> resurgence of TMO?  Division among the disciples of MMY?  Or, at worst,
>> signs of the end of the movement?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[Kirk]

spirit descending on the Rajahs, sounds like the Holy
Spirit and the disciples. I imagine some will feel that some such
phenomenon has taken place, or already has.

Many do feel this.

-Correction. Many felt this for a period. Whether the feeling continues is 
debateable.

[FairfieldLife] Buffett disagrees with Zell

[Bhairitu]

Billionaire Warren Buffett said Monday that the U.S. economy is 
essentially in a recession even if it hasn't met the technical 
definition of one yet.
More:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Buffet_US_essentially_in_recession_0303.html

Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

Well, it's certainly possible that some of my very
nice students later became vicious Muslim hit men, but
the guys I still correspond with are   intelligent and
spiritual men with families.  And they do not believe,
for example, that all Americans are as evil as the
Blackwater guys seem to be.  a


 
--- Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> You must have some very different Muslims in
> Europe
> >>> than the ones I have met here.   In 1982 I
> taught a
> >>> very unusual class of ESL at Kent State
> University.
> >>> All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking
> countries.
> >>>  They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen,
> and
> >>> the only classes I've ever taught that were
> similar
> >>> were the tenth grade boys at MSAE.  Those young
> >>> Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual. 
> I've
> >>> kept in touch with a number of them, and they
> continue
> >>> to be what they were then, except that with age,
> >>> kindness has become more important to them than
> >>> intelligence. a
> >>>   
> >> I remember, after 9/11, a neighbor of one of the
> suicide bombers 
> >> in Sand Diego commenting on how her former
> neighbor "was such a 
> >> nice young man".
> >>
> >> Why not be nice when in a few weeks you will be
> surrounded with 
> >> girls so pretty you could look upon their faces
> for 40 years and 
> >> not get bored?
> >>
> >> Intelligent, kind, and spiritual does not
> preclude with an 
> >> underpinning of crazy ideas.  According to
> surveys, the vast 
> >> majority of Muslims living in England believe
> killing innocent 
> >> lives is justified to preserve the faith.  Didn't
> any of these 
> >> people read Crime and Punishment in college?
> >> 
> >
> > Reminds me of the *extremely* nice guy I met 
> > once while doing a guest advanced lecture at
> > the Las Vegas TM center. He wasn't just nice,
> > he was downright sweet. The teachers there told
> > me that he came to meetings every week and loved
> > them.
> >
> > I was later told what he did for a living, by
> > someone in a position to know. He was a hit man. 
> > Go figure.
> I met a hit man once like that.  Also sat with a
> friend who had a 
> cordial conversation with a well known mafia
> kingpin.
> 
> Then I also have a friend who had some enjoyable
> racket ball sessions 
> with a roommate of a friend of his.  The guy's name
> was Ted Bundy.
> 
> 


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RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[Rick Archer]

 

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TMO?

 

As for MMY's spirit descending on the Rajahs, sounds like the Holy
Spirit and the disciples. I imagine some will feel that some such
phenomenon has taken place, or already has.

Many do feel this.


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Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Bhairitu]

TurquoiseB wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> You must have some very different Muslims in Europe
>>> than the ones I have met here.   In 1982 I taught a
>>> very unusual class of ESL at Kent State University.
>>> All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking countries.
>>>  They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen, and
>>> the only classes I've ever taught that were similar
>>> were the tenth grade boys at MSAE.  Those young
>>> Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual.  I've
>>> kept in touch with a number of them, and they continue
>>> to be what they were then, except that with age,
>>> kindness has become more important to them than
>>> intelligence. a
>>>   
>> I remember, after 9/11, a neighbor of one of the suicide bombers 
>> in Sand Diego commenting on how her former neighbor "was such a 
>> nice young man".
>>
>> Why not be nice when in a few weeks you will be surrounded with 
>> girls so pretty you could look upon their faces for 40 years and 
>> not get bored?
>>
>> Intelligent, kind, and spiritual does not preclude with an 
>> underpinning of crazy ideas.  According to surveys, the vast 
>> majority of Muslims living in England believe killing innocent 
>> lives is justified to preserve the faith.  Didn't any of these 
>> people read Crime and Punishment in college?
>> 
>
> Reminds me of the *extremely* nice guy I met 
> once while doing a guest advanced lecture at
> the Las Vegas TM center. He wasn't just nice,
> he was downright sweet. The teachers there told
> me that he came to meetings every week and loved
> them.
>
> I was later told what he did for a living, by
> someone in a position to know. He was a hit man. 
> Go figure.
I met a hit man once like that.  Also sat with a friend who had a 
cordial conversation with a well known mafia kingpin.

Then I also have a friend who had some enjoyable racket ball sessions 
with a roommate of a friend of his.  The guy's name was Ted Bundy.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[Bhairitu]

Vaj wrote:
>
> On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:
>
>> The objection isn't that TM produces "epileptic-like signs," because 
>> the signs included
>> those that might be found in mystics,creative people, etc., 
>> everywhere, with or without
>> epilepsy. The objection was the conclusion that such "signs" meant 
>> that TM was
>> dangerous for epileptics to practice, simply because they were 
>> epileptic-like.
>
> It was my understanding that the type of person attracted to TM tended 
> to already be more creatively inclined. So it wasn't so much that TM 
> made people more creative but instead that creative types tended to 
> self-select for that type of meditation based on certain wording used 
> to describe the technique and the content of the intro lecture. TMers 
> score high on Autia and these type of persons tend to be interested in 
> art, theory, basic beliefs and spiritual matters.
>
> Also the idea that TM makes people more flexible due to a shift in 
> hemispheric dominance (either in meditation or in performance) has 
> been refuted in independent research.
Heating agni mantras will increase vata.  If you've ever been on a vata 
high (and there has hardly been a person on earth that hasn't) then the 
mind starts riffing on things.  A lot of people like that and like the 
creativity.  Ideas flow freely.  But the problem is some balance needs 
to be maintained of all you have is a bunch of thoughts and great ideas 
that never get implemented.  We all know the creative types who never 
finish a project.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[abutilon108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

My guess is there will be a resurgence for some teachers and some will
drift away.  Chances are there will be some divisions as no one will
be recognized as the sole, supreme keeper of truth.  I imagine the
movement won't end, certainly not completely until all the TBs are
gone, and then chances are there will be some vestige of the movement
carrying on much as there is with Yogananda and others.  Some small
movement going on.

As for MMY's spirit descending on the Rajahs, sounds like the Holy
Spirit and the disciples.  I imagine some will feel that some such
phenomenon has taken place, or already has.

What do you think, John?

> To All:
> 
> This time period after the death of MMY leaves the TMO in a situation 
> of mourning and doubt.  As in the other religions or movements, there 
> appears to be time of resurgence of their teachers objectives after a 
> some time (after 40 days perhaps of MMY's death).  Will there be a 
> resurgence of TMO?  Division among the disciples of MMY?  Or, at worst, 
> signs of the end of the movement?
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[Stu]

Davidson's research precedes his meeting the Dalai Lama.  The Dalai Lama
discovered Davidson and helped him promotes some of his research
findings.  There was quite a stir a few years ago when the Dalai Lama
was invited to speak at a neuro-psych conference.

The form of meditation that Davidson uses in his studies are not the
form taught in Tibet but are Mindfulness practices consistent with the
Theravada tradition.  In fact the Dalia Lama does not openly promote
meditation his books and lectures usually center around the Buddhist
concept of compassion.

I have now had the pleasure of attending a number of conferences given
by the psychology dept at UCLA.  A friend of mine is a practicing shrink
and has to attend these for continuing education.  When the subject of
recent meditation research comes up, consistently it starts with a
researcher who is astounded by the findings.  This motivates them to
take up the practice themselves.  Not unlike young rationalist like
myself who was mesmerized by charts and tables back in the 70's.

When asked to recommend a practice, researchers like Davidson will not
give a specific answer.  He has been known to support TM as well as the
Mindfulness movement.

It is important to note that the Mindfulness movement in Los Angeles is
best expressed through a group called "Insight LA".  A group of
volunteers who teach meditation out of their homes through out the city
at no cost.  This grassroots movement is much to be admired.  I often
hope that now that the old man has kicked that perhaps TM can begin to
be expressed freely through the culture rather that as a commodity.


s.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[Kirk]

We have already speculated ad nauseum for the last five years. Of course 
finding such speculation amongst the millions of posts would be difficult. 
For many of us Maharishi died many years ago. His physical death was but 
some sort of final dying.

This should be obvious since those closest to him look like spooks from 
Casper the Friendly Ghost - albiet, Casper's evil brothers.

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From: "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 1:50 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of 
TMO?


> To All:
>
> This time period after the death of MMY leaves the TMO in a situation
> of mourning and doubt.  As in the other religions or movements, there
> appears to be time of resurgence of their teachers objectives after a
> some time (after 40 days perhaps of MMY's death).  Will there be a
> resurgence of TMO?  Division among the disciples of MMY?  Or, at worst,
> signs of the end of the movement?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Or go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'
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>
>
>
> 

Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
>  wrote:
> >
> > You must have some very different Muslims in Europe
> > than the ones I have met here.   In 1982 I taught a
> > very unusual class of ESL at Kent State University.
> > All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking countries.
> >  They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen, and
> > the only classes I've ever taught that were similar
> > were the tenth grade boys at MSAE.  Those young
> > Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual.  I've
> > kept in touch with a number of them, and they continue
> > to be what they were then, except that with age,
> > kindness has become more important to them than
> > intelligence. a
> 
> I remember, after 9/11, a neighbor of one of the suicide bombers 
> in Sand Diego commenting on how her former neighbor "was such a 
> nice young man".
> 
> Why not be nice when in a few weeks you will be surrounded with 
> girls so pretty you could look upon their faces for 40 years and 
> not get bored?
> 
> Intelligent, kind, and spiritual does not preclude with an 
> underpinning of crazy ideas.  According to surveys, the vast 
> majority of Muslims living in England believe killing innocent 
> lives is justified to preserve the faith.  Didn't any of these 
> people read Crime and Punishment in college?

Reminds me of the *extremely* nice guy I met 
once while doing a guest advanced lecture at
the Las Vegas TM center. He wasn't just nice,
he was downright sweet. The teachers there told
me that he came to meetings every week and loved
them.

I was later told what he did for a living, by
someone in a position to know. He was a hit man. 
Go figure.

[FairfieldLife] Will the Spirit of MMY Descend on the Rajahs of TMO?

[John]

To All:

This time period after the death of MMY leaves the TMO in a situation 
of mourning and doubt.  As in the other religions or movements, there 
appears to be time of resurgence of their teachers objectives after a 
some time (after 40 days perhaps of MMY's death).  Will there be a 
resurgence of TMO?  Division among the disciples of MMY?  Or, at worst, 
signs of the end of the movement?

Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You must have some very different Muslims in Europe
> than the ones I have met here.   In 1982 I taught a
> very unusual class of ESL at Kent State University.
> All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking countries.
>  They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen, and
> the only classes I've ever taught that were similar
> were the tenth grade boys at MSAE.  Those young
> Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual.  I've
> kept in touch with a number of them, and they continue
> to be what they were then, except that with age,
> kindness has become more important to them than
> intelligence. a
>
I remember, after 9/11, a neighbor of one of the suicide bombers in Sand
Diego commenting on how her former neighbor "was such a nice young man".

Why not be nice when in a few weeks you will be surrounded with girls so
pretty you could look upon their faces for 40 years and not get bored?

Intelligent, kind, and spiritual does not preclude with an underpinning
of crazy ideas.  According to surveys, the vast majority of Muslims
living in England believe killing innocent lives is justified to
preserve the faith.  Didn't any of these people read Crime and
Punishment in college?

s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[Stu]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Irmeli Mattsson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>

> I agree with this. However I have found it helpful for myself
> to write down my ideas about certain issues, and let others on these
> forums criticize those ideas.
> But discussions in which the participants don't understand each other
> are not helpful, just frustrating. People may use the same words
> meaning different things, or describe similar experiences with
> different words without any significant mutual understanding.
>
> In some Wilber forums I have experienced precisely the thing you
> describe. However at I-I pod at Gaia I have been able to this way
> participate in pretty high quality discussions. But then there is no
> free access to write there, even if everyone can read our discussions.
> The members are carefully selected through a recommendation process.
  > Irmeli
>

I became quickly disillusioned with Gaia.  Zaadz sold out to Gaia, which
I consider the Walmart of New Age kitsch.  But even before that it was
attracting naive innocents whose only common attribute was to believe
everything they read.  Conversations quickly degenerated into amorphous
rantings speckled with poorly defined iron-age terms like soul and
salvation.  Of course any attempt to ask for clarification was met with
hand wringing and tremors.

The new Gaia, the mixing spirituality with capitalism (their terms) is
fraught with obstacles, not the least of which is a premise mired in
contradiction.

Hence, I find myself here at FFL with dopes like myself who consider
themselves to be thinking beings first.

s.

Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Please accept my apologies.  I'm glad to hear you'd
> fight such laws. a

Accepted, thank you.


> 
> 
> --- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> > Mailander 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > > As for "mental scientists" making laws about which
> > > "religious" practices are OK and which aren't --I
> > find
> > > that concept very scary.  Just look at the
> > argument
> > > recently between Judy and Vaj.  Would you trust
> > either
> > > one of them to make such laws?
> > 
> > Angela, you can take your petty snark and shove it
> > up your nearest convenient orifice.
> > 
> > I can't speak for Vaj, but I'd be the *last* person
> > to want to make laws about which religious practices
> > are OK and which aren't. Rather, I'd be fighting it
> > tooth and nail if anyone else tried.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[Vaj]

On Mar 2, 2008, at 10:18 PM, sparaig wrote:

The objection isn't that TM produces "epileptic-like signs,"  
because the signs included
those that might be found in mystics,creative people, etc.,  
everywhere, with or without
epilepsy. The objection was the conclusion that such "signs" meant  
that TM was
dangerous for epileptics to practice, simply because they were  
epileptic-like.


It was my understanding that the type of person attracted to TM  
tended to already be more creatively inclined. So it wasn't so much  
that TM made people more creative but instead that creative types  
tended to self-select for that type of meditation based on certain  
wording used to describe the technique and the content of the intro  
lecture. TMers score high on Autia and these type of persons tend to  
be interested in art, theory, basic beliefs and spiritual matters.


Also the idea that TM makes people more flexible due to a shift in  
hemispheric dominance (either in meditation or in performance) has  
been refuted in independent research.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Across The Universe

[curtisdeltablues]

Hey Edg,

I forgot to thank you for the heads up on the movie "Once."  I really
enjoyed it and felt very "in the know" when I saw them win at the
Academy Awards.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I watched Across The Universe, last night, and after having been
> massively disappointed by the Las Vegas Cirque du Soleil "LOVE"
> production at $150 a ticket, I was extraordinarily uplifted by Across
> The Universe for a $2.95 rental fee.  It was everything I didn't get
> from LOVE.
> 
> YMMV, but I was swept up and back in time, and the Beatle songs were
> so freshened by the creative use of their words being put into the
> mouths of characters as spoken dialog, and the singing of those words
> were often "almost spoken" with a delicacy that was sweet indeed.
> 
> The singing abilities were incredible for such a young cast -- it
> would be hard to say who was the best -- they all smacked it good.  I
> think it's one of the cleverest bits of writing ever, and the acting
> was tops, and the plot "good enough" to move the drama along. If you
> lived through the era and identified with hippism and the Beatles, I
> recommend the movie with my highest rating.
> 
> And the art was often transporting -- two lovers sitting on a rotting
> dock by an abandoned warehouse was a tableau of silence.
> 
> Here's a tell:  you know how almost always when the credits begin to
> roll, well, you brush the popcorn off your lap and leave the theater?
>  Well, when the credits rolled for Across The Universe, my love and I
> slowly danced and nuzzled to the final song and read the credits with
> delight as we discovered that YEAH it WAS Joe Cocker, it WAS Bono --
> like that, and all the while we swooned in deep poignant remembrances.
>  That, and, oh yeah, we held hands throughout the film -- it was that
> good for us.
> 
> I've never danced to credits before, let me tell ya.
>  
> So that's me and she, but I'm guessin' you too if you are over, say,
> 50 years of age, are American or British, and liked the Beatles song
book.
> 
> I'm going to buy the DVD
> 
> Edg
> PS - Rent "Balls of Fury" for some of the same "seeker reasons," but
> you get to laugh your ass off too.  I think any TB would see
> themselves in it.
>

Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

Please accept my apologies.  I'm glad to hear you'd
fight such laws. a


--- authfriend <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela
> Mailander 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > As for "mental scientists" making laws about which
> > "religious" practices are OK and which aren't --I
> find
> > that concept very scary.  Just look at the
> argument
> > recently between Judy and Vaj.  Would you trust
> either
> > one of them to make such laws?
> 
> Angela, you can take your petty snark and shove it
> up your nearest convenient orifice.
> 
> I can't speak for Vaj, but I'd be the *last* person
> to want to make laws about which religious practices
> are OK and which aren't. Rather, I'd be fighting it
> tooth and nail if anyone else tried.
> 
> 
> 


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Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As for "mental scientists" making laws about which
> "religious" practices are OK and which aren't --I find
> that concept very scary.  Just look at the argument
> recently between Judy and Vaj.  Would you trust either
> one of them to make such laws?

Angela, you can take your petty snark and shove it
up your nearest convenient orifice.

I can't speak for Vaj, but I'd be the *last* person
to want to make laws about which religious practices
are OK and which aren't. Rather, I'd be fighting it
tooth and nail if anyone else tried.

Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

You must have some very different Muslims in Europe
than the ones I have met here.   In 1982 I taught a
very unusual class of ESL at Kent State University. 
All 25 guys from Muslim and Arabic speaking countries.
 They were an amazing bunch of young gentlemen, and
the only classes I've ever taught that were similar
were the tenth grade boys at MSAE.  Those young
Muslims were intelligent, kind, and spiritual.  I've
kept in touch with a number of them, and they continue
to be what they were then, except that with age,
kindness has become more important to them than
intelligence. a 





--- "Hagen J. Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Irmeli said:
> 
> Practically every time they (the nuslims) publicly
> say
> something, they make themselves just ridiculous, and
> show that their
> capacity to formal operational thinking, or abstract
> conceptual
> thinking, is poor. They combine categories in a
> wrong way all the
> time. And this is not about belief systems. It is
> about where they are
> in their cognitive development. And I consider their
> beliefsystems to
> be the cause of their backwardness.
> 
>   Irmeli, what you report from Finland fits
> perfectly into the picture, which we also have on
> German grounds with this "ethnic" group from time to
> time. So your description illustrates it very
> felicitously. But for all that I personally consider
> their beliefsystem not as being the main cause of
> their backwardness, but rather their lack of
> willingness to go one step ahead. And I think, that
> western influence has been contributing to this
> disclaiming attitude a lot, because the interests of
> the west had predominantly been of economic and
> earlier even of generally subdueing nature, living
> the reckless fruitless hubris of feeling superior.
> And now we harvest a little the fruits of our
> sowing.
> 
>   Hagen


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Re: Angela: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Angela Mailander]

I'm glad you are a gentleman, Hagen.   You are
certainly right about some things.  It is true that I
take an irritatingly dim view of any spiritual
movement insofar as its future is concerned.  I've yet
to see one that didn't degenerate into a religion,
and, as such, didn't try to repress the genuinely
spiritual impulses that gave it birth.  Perhaps the
problem lies in the designation "realizing the
divine."  My divine inspiration may be your satanic
verses. 

As for "mental scientists" making laws about which
"religious" practices are OK and which aren't --I find
that concept very scary.  Just look at the argument
recently between Judy and Vaj.  Would you trust either
one of them to make such laws?   



--- "Hagen J. Holtz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Very interesting what you say, Angela, so I have to
> get along now with your cantilevered delineation of
> complex circumstances. I hope I am able to live up
> to your expectations, trying to confine myself to
> what I esteem to be the most essential out of your
> elaborations.
> 
> You said:
> 
> To my mind, however, that same danger is implicit in
> all spiritual movements not yet crystallized into a
> religion. 
> 
> Well, this formulation seems to be a bit irritating
> in so far as it might have been believed to be a
> self-evident part of our mutual context. It sounds
> as if a spiritual movement has inevitably to be
> ending up by becoming a religion. Or that
> spirituality as such in its very nature already
> bears the germ of religiousness . Here the
> junction point of what divides spirituality from
> religion has to be made again very clear.
> Spirituality has something to do with practice, it
> is the palladium of all applicable tools to
> "realize" the divine. Religion is a hideaway for all
> those who ardently look for some authority, which
> canonizes for them what to be done, and kinkily if
> possible as much rigid as can be affordable.
> Spirituality is lived self-responsibility. Religion
> on the other hand means consigning responsibility to
> someone estimatingly more entitled, than you dare to
> concede for yourself. A lively arrogation of the
> victim as well as of the acceptor - an openly lived
> (collective) mental disease.
> 
> But Hagen, are you not contradicting yourself when
> you then state that "later on" we can make laws
> against certain religions and their practices? Isn't
> that every bit as dangerous as religion itself?
> Isn't
> it, in a very real sense, itself a religious
> practice?
> 
> Angela, there is nothing to be pled against
> law-making, as long as the law expresses the real
> need for the people. Laws are principles, often
> being misused, in order to confirm dependence to
> some basic idea, whose very meaning has not yet been
> sufficiently understood. My wife for example once
> went home by car with my eldest and my youngest
> daughter in a warm late spring-night. She got caught
> by the police, because our nine year old girl was
> not buckled on the back seat. Christa argued at the
> court that she had to decide between satisfying the
> prescription at any cost or following her common
> sense and mother-instinct to comfort her daughter.
> The girl was at the beginning of the tour on the
> verge to fall asleep and was according to Christa's
> opinion predominantly supposed to be resting
> comfortably. The judge refused and argued with
> possible extreme situations. This I find very
> stupid, because I think human being has to be
> respected as the last instance of decision-making,
> as long as the decision had been thoroughly weighed
> the pros and cons and not been the result of obvious
> negligence. And this being done independently of
> whether leading to the expected (legal) result or
> not. So you are right, law can be a religion, if
> being misused due to any spawn of ignorance.
> 
> My original questions still stand: WHO will decide
> WHAT the criteria are, and HOW are they to be
> enforced? Bhairitu said it right: they hate us for
> our freedom. Not only that, they will always hate us
> for our freedom. 
> 
> We, the new generation of "mental scientists" will
> decide, because we may have the better arguments on
> our side. We only have to put them into frames. That
> could be done within the scope of building up a
> first group of "transnuclear" transcenders, creating
> that very critical massses, on whose ground such an
> undertaking may have the chance to permanently
> succeed.
> 
> You mention Spiral Dynamics as a possible model for
> devising criteria. 
> 
> I have to confess that I have not been inquiring
> about this way, but what "Stu" said, seemed to be
> giving hope. So just take this term as a symbol of
> confidence for breaking up into the right direction.
> 
> 
> Not only that, the system includes a spot for any
> critic of the system.
> 
> If a system does not allow criticism, then it has
> become a religion. A good system even asks for
> criticism, because of reasons of change of pa

[FairfieldLife] Re: Story from Ben Collins

[Larry]

is this thread based on our interpretation of one fella's
interpretation of another fella's "look"?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> About two BILLION people on Earth live on ONE dollar a day.
> 
> If we could get those folks to TWO dollars a day, death of children
> dramatically subsides.
> 
> Do any of us here think we can enter the mindset of living in such
> poverty?
> 
> I can't throw a stone at any of them for almost any of their sins --
> as "un-human" as some of the third world practices are -- hell, on a
> day when I've gotten a paper cut I can be "over" stressed and find
> myself growling and grumping and snarky.  Imagine the daily horrors of
> their lives and the effects on personality.
> 
> Everyone here is a vastly rich potentate comparatively.  All the
> gripes about each other that are bandied here are, to a third worlder,
> like kings pissing and moaning about losing a sequin on their gold
> embroidered gowns.
> 
> We simply have no stance upon which to judge these folks.
> 
> Edg
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gandalfaragorn  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore"
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >  there was this  
> > > look on his face that was like "Mahesh Yogi can get these
westerners  
> > > > to do 40 years of meditation and how hard that is to accomplish
> here 
> > > in India."
> > > 
> > > Whatis the caloric intake of the average Indian?
> > >
> > Apparently the caloric intake is enough to, among other things, to
> > sustain, a) a tremendous interest in Astrology and provide a living
> > for a host of practitioners of this subject, b) a vast motion picture
> > industry, and c) shamefully I have to say, a massive predeliction on
> > the  part of married Indian men towards visiting houses of
prostitution.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:59 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > > Exactly why I posted it. Not only does he not work for a
> > > Buddhist institution, he does not benefit financially
> > > from people learning to meditate (done for free).
> >
> > Non sequitur. He told the writer that the Dalai Lama's
> > recommendation to study Buddhist research "changed the
> > face of his career," so obviously he has an investment
> > in doing such research.
> 
> He has an opportunity to study some of the most advanced
> meditators on the planet. I can't think of many researchers
> on consciousness who would shrug off such an opportunity
> from someone like the Dalai Lama.

Exactly my point.

> And I would not be surprised if it did change their careers.

Exactly my point.

> But as the article stated "he hesitates to describe himself
> as a card-carrying devotee."

*Of course* he's "hesitant" to do so.

> So he maintains an objective non-TB stance

For publication, at any rate.


, which  
> is good thing for a scientist.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> As far as I'm concerned the authors of this other paper (from
> the Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness), which was discussed 
> originally  last spring IIRC, did a great job of covering TM and
> other research, it's good points and it's bad points. It set the 
> record straight.

Not on TM, it didn't, for the reasons that have already
been pointed out.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 11:05 AM, authfriend wrote:


As you know but are pretending not to, I'm referring
to the three "world-class" researchers who wrote the
study we've been discussing here: Antoine Lutz, John D.
Dunne, and Richard J. Davidson.



Actually the research I was originally referring to in ALL of the  
installments of this thread was from Meditation: In Search of a  
Unique Effect. It does include some of Davidson's TM research as well  
back when he was into Hindu meditation.


As far as I'm concerned the authors of this other paper (from the  
Cambridge Handbook of Consciousness), which was discussed originally  
last spring IIRC, did a great job of covering TM and other research,  
it's good points and it's bad points. It set the record straight.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:59 AM, authfriend wrote:


> Exactly why I posted it. Not only does he not work for a
> Buddhist institution, he does not benefit financially
> from people learning to meditate (done for free).

Non sequitur. He told the writer that the Dalai Lama's
recommendation to study Buddhist research "changed the
face of his career," so obviously he has an investment
in doing such research.


He has an opportunity to study some of the most advanced meditators  
on the planet. I can't think of many researchers on consciousness who  
would shrug off such an opportunity from someone like the Dalai Lama.  
And I would not be surprised if it did change their careers.


But as the article stated "he hesitates to describe himself as a card- 
carrying devotee." So he maintains an objective non-TB stance, which  
is good thing for a scientist.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Story from Ben Collins

[Duveyoung]

About two BILLION people on Earth live on ONE dollar a day.

If we could get those folks to TWO dollars a day, death of children
dramatically subsides.

Do any of us here think we can enter the mindset of living in such
poverty?

I can't throw a stone at any of them for almost any of their sins --
as "un-human" as some of the third world practices are -- hell, on a
day when I've gotten a paper cut I can be "over" stressed and find
myself growling and grumping and snarky.  Imagine the daily horrors of
their lives and the effects on personality.

Everyone here is a vastly rich potentate comparatively.  All the
gripes about each other that are bandied here are, to a third worlder,
like kings pissing and moaning about losing a sequin on their gold
embroidered gowns.

We simply have no stance upon which to judge these folks.

Edg


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gandalfaragorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore"
>  wrote:
> >
> >  there was this  
> > look on his face that was like "Mahesh Yogi can get these westerners  
> > > to do 40 years of meditation and how hard that is to accomplish
here 
> > in India."
> > 
> > Whatis the caloric intake of the average Indian?
> >
> Apparently the caloric intake is enough to, among other things, to
> sustain, a) a tremendous interest in Astrology and provide a living
> for a host of practitioners of this subject, b) a vast motion picture
> industry, and c) shamefully I have to say, a massive predeliction on
> the  part of married Indian men towards visiting houses of prostitution.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:48 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:
> > 
> > > > You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a
> > > > lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through
> > > > argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind
> > > > enough to point me to and get on with my life.
> > > >
> > > > Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire
> > >
> > > Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this
> > > is what happens.
> >
> > Maybe if you didn't start your posts on research with,
> > "Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
> > The Superiority Lie: Exposing the Lies of TM research,
> > one at a time," you wouldn't provoke quite such hostile
> > argument.
> >
> > That isn't exactly scientific language, now, is it? How
> > do you think your Buddhist researchers would feel about
> > this characterization of their paper?
> 
> Pagano and Warrenburg are now Buddhists too?

As you know but are pretending not to, I'm referring
to the three "world-class" researchers who wrote the
study we've been discussing here: Antoine Lutz, John D.
Dunne, and Richard J. Davidson.

But the caveat would, of course, apply to such a
characterization of *anybody's* research.

The kind of hostile, confrontational tone in your
characterization is *designed* to provoke hostile
argument. So your high-minded complaint is pure
hypocrisy.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is this a put-on?

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No I actually saw a TV news segment on this. It's being used a 
good  
> bit in Britain to remove loitering teenagers.




I had no idea that human teenagers, like dogs, hear different 
frequencies than adult humans.

I guess that confirms that teenagers ARE wild animals...




> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:30 AM, shempmcgurk wrote:
> 
> > Queens Building Uses 'Mosquito' To Quiet Teens
> >
> > Emits High-Pitched Sound Only Audible To Youth
> > Reporting
> >
> > Tamsen Fadal QUEENS (CBS) ¯ Teenagers who hang out inside one
> > apartment building in Jamaica, Queens are getting an earful these
> > days.
> >
> > A new security device called 'The Mosquito' has been installed in 
the
> > lobby of a building on 170th St. where there have been chronic
> > problems with noisy teens.
> >
> > The wall-mounted device emits a high-frequency screech that can 
only
> > be heard by people aged 13 to 25. Most older people cannot hear 
it.
> >
> > "It sounds like when you put a microphone close to the TV," said
> > Jerry Brown.
> >
> > Another teen added, "it's annoying."
> >
> > But one young adult said, "it doesn't bother me."
> >
> > The building superintendent said the mosquito has kept the lobby 
free
> > of loitering teenagers, so far.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > http://psyphz.psych.wisc.edu/web/News/OprahMar2008.pdf
> > >
> > > March 2008 Oprah Magazine article "This is Your Brain on
> > > Happiness." with Dr. Richard Davidson.
> >
> > Same guy who did the study Lawson and Vaj and I have
> > been discussing. What's he pushing in this Oprah piece?
> >
> > Why, Buddhist meditation.
> >
> > From the article:
> >
> > "What changed the face of his career, according to Davidson,
> > was a meeting in 1992 with...the 14th Dalai Lama, who urged
> > him to home in on compassion as the object of serious and
> > rigorous study."
> 
> Exactly why I posted it. Not only does he not work for a
> Buddhist institution, he does not benefit financially
> from people learning to meditate (done for free).

Non sequitur. He told the writer that the Dalai Lama's
recommendation to study Buddhist research "changed the
face of his career," so obviously he has an investment
in doing such research.

 Conversely MUM/MIU researchers benefit  
> directly from their marketing research to sell the product their  
> university requires for admission and their org sells.

The TM researchers could undoubtedly make more
money than MUM pays them at other institutions
doing non-TM research.

The TM researchers are studying TM because MMY
recommended it and they believe in MMY, just as
the Buddhist researchers believe in the Dalai Lama.
(And probably if they *did* work for a Buddhist
institution, they would also be paid less than they
are now. If so, the MUM TM researchers are almost
certainly making a financial sacrifice the Buddhist
researchers are not.)

 It's actually  
> a large part of the cult mindset of that org, indoctrination
> into TM research begins when one learns TM.

I'm sure we'll *never* see research used to promote
learning Buddhist meditation.

Oh, wait...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:48 AM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

> > You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a
> > lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through
> > argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind
> > enough to point me to and get on with my life.
> >
> > Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire
>
> Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this
> is what happens.

Maybe if you didn't start your posts on research with,
"Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.
The Superiority Lie: Exposing the Lies of TM research,
one at a time," you wouldn't provoke quite such hostile
argument.

That isn't exactly scientific language, now, is it? How
do you think your Buddhist researchers would feel about
this characterization of their paper?



Pagano and Warrenburg are now Buddhists too?

Hopefully they'd be familiar enough with TM marketing to get a good  
laugh out of it. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:

> > You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a 
> > lawyer if I thought the best way to find truth was through 
> > argument. I am going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind
> > enough to point me to and get on with my life.
> >
> > Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire
> 
> Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this
> is what happens.

Maybe if you didn't start your posts on research with,
"Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style. 
The Superiority Lie: Exposing the Lies of TM research,
one at a time," you wouldn't provoke quite such hostile
argument.

That isn't exactly scientific language, now, is it? How
do you think your Buddhist researchers would feel about
this characterization of their paper?

[FairfieldLife] GOP frets over Democratic fundraising

[do.rflex]

For Republicans, watching Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama
fight for supremacy in fundraising is not just a spectator sport. It
is a look into the future, and the GOP isn't cheering.

Obama and Clinton together raked in as much as seven times as much
cash in February as John McCain, the all-but-certain Republican nominee.

The Democrats, particularly Obama, are also developing a broad base of
fervent donors whose help goes beyond sending money.

Some Republicans are sounding alarms. "Since the midterm election of
2006, Democrats have had an enthusiasm gap with Republicans," said GOP
strategist Scott Reed. "They have big crowds, raise more money and
appear to have more excitement on the campaign trail. Couple this with
turnout numbers, which are off the charts, and Republicans are going
to have a big challenge in the fall."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080301/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_money

[FairfieldLife] Nice post from Irmeli, a long-time member

[Rick Archer]

http://pods.gaia.com/ii/discussions/view/145134


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Reunion

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Have a Kleenex handy; this is heartwarming.
> 
> These two guys raised a lion pup, then had to
> release him into the wild when he got too big.
> They came to look for him a year later and...
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xr1pWzoLvT8


Only goes to show the power of genuine love. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 10:16 AM, ruthsimplicity wrote:


Why do you want to argue with me? I missed the journal reference,
that is all. Judy kindly gave it to me right away.

Earth shattering? You think that anything in all the studies is earth
shattering? Like what? Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD.

Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited
to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and
do not cherry pick participants.

You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a lawyer
if I thought the best way to find truth was through argument. I am
going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind enough to point me to and
get on with my life.

Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire



Ditto on arguing. Anytime you post anything on research, this is what  
happens.


There's more research coming out all the time and it is quite  
interesting--and it is improving in quality. But I'd really like to  
hear it from people who independent.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: This Is Your Brain On Happiness :-)

[Vaj]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 9:51 AM, authfriend wrote:


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://psyphz.psych.wisc.edu/web/News/OprahMar2008.pdf
>
> March 2008 Oprah Magazine article "This is Your Brain on Happiness."
> with Dr. Richard Davidson.

Same guy who did the study Lawson and Vaj and I have
been discussing. What's he pushing in this Oprah piece?

Why, Buddhist meditation.

From the article:

"What changed the face of his career, according to Davidson,
was a meeting in 1992 with...the 14th Dalai Lama, who urged
him to home in on compassion as the object of serious and
rigorous study."


Exactly why I posted it. Not only does he not work for a Buddhist  
institution, he does not benefit financially from people learning to  
meditate (done for free). Conversely MUM/MIU researchers benefit  
directly from their marketing research to sell the product their  
university requires for admission and their org sells. It's actually  
a large part of the cult mindset of that org, indoctrination into TM  
research begins when one learns TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity"
 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > On Mar 2, 2008, at 6:34 PM, sparaig wrote:
> > > 
> > 
> > > >
> > > > Likewise, they can read the article in question by travis et al,  
> > > > which the aforementioned
> > > > book dismisses so cavalierly (IMHO, of course):
> > > >
> > > > http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Lawson
> > 
> > Lawson, is Travis's study published by any third party journals, or
> > just by TMO affiliates?
> >  
> 
> 
> 
> The title page says:
> 
> Consciousness and Cognition 13 (2004) 401â€"420
> 
> That's a mainstream journal, reasonable well-known.
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.brainresearchinstitute.org/research/ConcCog2004.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > Believe me, the caliber of the scientists who wrote the paper is
world  
> > > class. If there is something remarkable going on with TM, I'm sure  
> > > they'd want to hear about it. We all would! (including me!) So if  
> > > something interesting from a non-biased researcher does pop up,
I'm  
> > > sure scientists will want to replicate it or look in more detail.
> > >
> > 
> > I do not want to get into the argument about what the book Vaj refers
> > to says and about whether TM shows any particularly unique state
> > because I am not yet well enough informed to make a judgment and I
> > haven't read either.  But I do thank Vaj, Judy and Lawson for
> > providing me with more than enough reading material to last me a year!
> > I think all three of you have interesting things to say.  
> > 
> > I am  concerned about the reputation of TMO affiliated scientists
> > which may well have led to outside scientists becoming less interested
> > in TM research.  When I used to participate in this sort of research,
> > reputations had not formed and scientists seemed very open to looking
> > at meditation, biofeedback, relaxation and other mental techniques. 
> > 
> > Research on the Maharishi Effect is not doing TMO scientists any
> > favors.  And the blown out of proportion claims does not help, e.g.,
> > "research has proved blah blah unified field blah blah." 
> > 
> > I am well enough informed to know that methodological weakness
> > pervades meditation research in general, not just TM research.  The
> > best research from a methodological standpoint is being done by
> > independent researchers, but on mindfulness meditation, not TM.  If
> > results are intriguing enough, maybe outside interest will come back
> > to TM. 
> > 
> 
> Well, that depends on what you mean by "best," doesn't it?
> 
> 
> 
> > Most medical personal I know that recommend meditation type practices
> > currently are either recommending some kind of progressive
> > relaxation/visualization or simple forms of mindfulness meditation. I
> > think this is largely due of the ease of providing instruction--go
> > have the patient buy a CD.  Also, it is hard to recommend TM when it
> > costs so much and as a doctor you are not aware of clear evidence that
> > it has superior results to other methods.  Results in this case
> > meaning a more relaxed, less stressed, anxious or depressed patient.
> > From a physcian point of view, the battles of the scientists regarding
> > meditation techniques are just arguments over angels dancing on the
> > head of a pin.  
> > 
> > I am also well enough informed to know that nothing of earth
> > shattering significance has been discovered, which would intrigue
> > outside scientists despite any negative rep of TMO scientists. 
> > 
> 
> Well, again, it depends on what you mean by "earth-shattering
significance."
> 
> BTW< the fact that you had to ask whether or not that paper was
published, when in fact, 
> the url I gave you gives you the publication journal and date  on
the front page, complete, 
> with publisher's logo, makes me question the "well enough informed"
 claim.
> 
> 
> Lawson
>
Why do you want to argue with me?  I missed the journal reference,
that is all.  Judy kindly gave it to me right away.   

Earth shattering?  You think that anything in all the studies is earth
shattering?  Like what?  Brain wave coherence? Interesting but BFD.

Best from a methodological point of view includes, but it not limited
to, research where the researchers involved do not have an agenda and
do not cherry pick participants. 

You know, I am sick of all the arguing. I would have become a lawyer
if I thought the best way to find truth was through argument.  I am
going to read what Judy and Vaj were kind enough to point me to and
get on with my life.   

Ruth, M.A. Psychology, M.D. and lobbyist extraordinaire

[FairfieldLife] Across The Universe

[Duveyoung]

I watched Across The Universe, last night, and after having been
massively disappointed by the Las Vegas Cirque du Soleil "LOVE"
production at $150 a ticket, I was extraordinarily uplifted by Across
The Universe for a $2.95 rental fee.  It was everything I didn't get
from LOVE.

YMMV, but I was swept up and back in time, and the Beatle songs were
so freshened by the creative use of their words being put into the
mouths of characters as spoken dialog, and the singing of those words
were often "almost spoken" with a delicacy that was sweet indeed.

The singing abilities were incredible for such a young cast -- it
would be hard to say who was the best -- they all smacked it good.  I
think it's one of the cleverest bits of writing ever, and the acting
was tops, and the plot "good enough" to move the drama along. If you
lived through the era and identified with hippism and the Beatles, I
recommend the movie with my highest rating.

And the art was often transporting -- two lovers sitting on a rotting
dock by an abandoned warehouse was a tableau of silence.

Here's a tell:  you know how almost always when the credits begin to
roll, well, you brush the popcorn off your lap and leave the theater?
 Well, when the credits rolled for Across The Universe, my love and I
slowly danced and nuzzled to the final song and read the credits with
delight as we discovered that YEAH it WAS Joe Cocker, it WAS Bono --
like that, and all the while we swooned in deep poignant remembrances.
 That, and, oh yeah, we held hands throughout the film -- it was that
good for us.

I've never danced to credits before, let me tell ya.
 
So that's me and she, but I'm guessin' you too if you are over, say,
50 years of age, are American or British, and liked the Beatles song book.

I'm going to buy the DVD

Edg
PS - Rent "Balls of Fury" for some of the same "seeker reasons," but
you get to laugh your ass off too.  I think any TB would see
themselves in it.

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The Maharishi Years - the Untold Stor

[Rick Archer]

 

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Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Corrections to Dr Chopra's article on "The
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--- "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My guess is that Deepak was telling the truth,
> with some embellishment and fuzziness do to
> lapse of time, and GM (Girish Momaya?) is trying
> to whitewash it for posterity.

GM is definitely not Girish Momaya.

Girish is not an MD!

You’re right. I realized later that it was Mahapatra.


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[FairfieldLife] the cure for cancer-hemp oil

[steven klayman]

www.youtube.com/chrychek

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Language of Autism

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mind-bending article in "Wired" about autistic
> people and researchers of autism who are
> challenging the "disease model" of autism and
> suggesting that autistic people aren't damaged,
> aren't dysfunctional, just different.
> 
> This goes WAY beyond Temple Grandin, BTW.
> 
> Don't miss the video, made by an autistic
> woman. Stick with it through the first three
> minutes. What comes next is amazing.
> 
> Ruth, you may find the section on Michelle
> Dawson particularly interesting.
> 
> 
> http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-03/ff_autism
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/yq3vxa


Wow! What a wonderful revelation. Loud cheers for Amanda Baggs, a real
pioneer and liberator!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity"
 wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ruthsimplicity"
> >  wrote:
> >  Serious seizure
> > > disorder with control issues?  I would not be inclined to want that
> > > person to practice the siddhis without good evidence of its safety.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Love quoting myself. ;)
> > 
> > Brief discussion of the possible issues regarding epilepsy and
meditation:
> > 
> > http://www.epilepsy.com/articles/ar_1150815334
> >
> 
> "The jury is still out."
> 
> 
> However, one issue is the assumption that all meditation techniques
produce neuronal 
> synchrony in the limbic system. As far as I know, the kind of
neuronal synchrony that TM 
> produces isn't at all related to that traditionally associated with
seizures and its not a 
> primarily limbic synchrony, IIRC.
> 
> In fact, TM may well REDUCE activity in the limbic system anyway.
> 
> The following is from a talk Fred Travis gave a couple of years ago
at the Tucson 
> Consciousness Convention:
> 
> http://www.fredtravis.com/talk.html
> 
> Lawson
>


But the jury is still out.  Still a question as to whether TM helps
reduce seizures or increases seizures or it depends on the person or
it depends on the practice (2 times 20 vs. siddhi program vs.
rounding).  Interesting stuff in any event. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig"  wrote:
> >
> > Well, people can read both the book excerpt AND the 2004 
> > study by Travis et al. via the two urls above and come 
> > to their own conclusions. Its not necessary to posture 
> > at all.
> 
> Gotta praise Lawson for his stance in this
> silly back-and-forth. His approach above
> nails it.
> 
> You've got one person trying to "defend" at
> any cost, another trying to "damn" at any
> cost, and one just saying, "Read the research
> and, if you believe research, decide for your-
> self." Which of these three sounds balanced
> to you?

Barry, as usual, you don't know what the hell you're
talking about. Reading the research at issue is, of
course, a given. And Lawson is recommending it
explicitly because he knows what people will find if
they do read it (i.e., that what Lawson and I have
been saying is correct).

There's no "at any cost" here on my part. I've simply
pointed out two glaring, obvious flaws in the research
Vaj is promoting (and Lawson has added a third). If
anyone is doing anything "at any cost," it's Vaj in
trying to defend the flawed research.

Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:22 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:


The cases I'm aware of were all *lost*
by those hoping to uphold their right to pursue
the caste system in America, but they continued to
do it after paying the first fine. My friends in
New York who have to do business with these people
say that they do it still. They are a "Brahmin-only"
shop, and they insist on remaining one, even if it
is against the law.


It would be interesting to know if whomever they hired to fight the  
lawsuit was a brahmin or not.  Bet they weren't.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fooling people with meditation research, TMO-style.

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I also don't feel they dismissed 20 years of research, they
> merely put it into a scientific perspective and showed the
> defects therein.

No, Vaj, they didn't report on it *at all*.