[FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Someone asked: Suggestion: When Bhairitu posts his counts, 
> > perhaps he could include a table of U.S. time zones indicating 
> > what time the count was made in each zone. Maybe include 
> > applicable time zones for regular posters not in the U.S. (UK, 
> > Spain, others?). That shouldn't be hard for him to program so 
> > it's automatic each time.
> 
> Or, people for whom making 50 posts per week is such a 
> big issue could simply get a life.

Well said. There wouldn't be posting limits
at all if some didn't feel they had the "right"
to make 37 posts a day. What would that be, if
allowed all week? 259 posts. Multiply that by
three (the number of posters who would probably
still be posting that much if not for the limits),
and you have 777 posts per week, 627 more than
what we have to wade through with hip boots
with the limits in place.

This is the *second* time that Judy has claimed
to have been "misled" by the Yahoo Search engine
when she went over the posting limit. This time
was only a few hours after she *herself* had
explained why she started posting again this
week earlier than midnight Fairfield time.

I say the same thing this time that I said last
time. If she's willing to admit that she's a
total fuckin' idiot who is unaware of time zones
and who can't count to 50, let her post again next
week. If she still wants to maintain that air
of "I'm smart, and you're all RELY RLY
STOOPID," let her be smart all by herself
next week.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good analysis of Hillary's campaign

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> 
> > She hustled and jumped  
> > and slogged and cried and ate and drank and didn't sleep and 
> > put up with her nutty underminer of a husband for president. 
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Yeah, that nutty underminer of a husband was the SOLE reason she 
> ever became a senator and, of course, a presidential candidate.
> 
> I am amused that people like Sal and Judy hold up Hillary Clinton as 
> their ideal for a female president.  Why, she is DEFINED by who her 
> husband is!  This is the OPPOSITE of feminism, isn't it?
> 
> It reminds me of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation...MELINDA  
> What the fuck did SHE do to get her name on that foundation and to 
> appear on the cover of Time Magazine with Bono and her husband?  It 
> was Bill who made all the billions, not her.  She just sat around 
> eating bon-bons, spread her legs, had two kids with him, and sits 
> on his board.  Big deal.

With all due deference to Bill's billions (that is,
none whatsoever), I think it is worth looking at
his reputation as a human being before Melinda and
after Melinda.

Before, he was well known for his cutthroat and 
unethical (and often downright illegal) business
tactics and for hoarding his wealth. He had ZERO
compatriots in the computer industry who actually
admired him as a human being. Most of them had been
fucked over by him stealing their code or trying
actively to force them out of business to reduce
the number of competitors to the Microsoft monolith.

After Melinda, Bill has actually shown some indi-
cations of becoming an actual human being. I don't
know Melinda at all, but her effect on a known 
asshole is obvious. The foundation should be called
the Melinda Gates Foundation. Bill would never in
a million...uh, make that billion...years have 
thought of it himself.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> But my point with empathy is what Curtis said so eloquently in 
> other posts: MMY's purported desire to rid the world of suffering 
> says nothing about his empathy.  You know empathy by how someone 
> treats individuals.  Whether they feel another's suffering.  

And whether they go out of their way to actively
*create* suffering in others. To wit, the claim
recently by one poster that she's "highly empathetic,"
balanced against her often-stated desire to make 
other posters feel bad. She literally *revels* in
the supposed pain and anguish she "causes" her debate 
opponents to feel. If she were really empathetic, 
wouldn't making them feel bad make *her* feel bad 
as well?

> Curtis's direct experience is consistent with what others have said 
> about MMY. It is hard to think MMY as anything but narcissistic.

And as someone who promoted narcissism in his 
followers more often than he promoted enlight-
enment. Who consistently *gets the credit* for
all of the "global good news" reported? The
all-important butt-bouncers whose awesome woo-
woo rays have created the "good news," that's who.

I think that Fairfield Life provides an amazingly
effective "bullshit meter" that is useful when
trying to figure out which of the myths that
surround enlightenment and purported higher 
states of consciousness are useful or beneficial
and which are bullshit, with no or little value.

I mean, when you have someone who claims to be
enlightened indulging in gay slurs against some-
one whose only sin (well, not *only* sin :-))
was to ask him to explain how he knows how 
heaven is decorated, either enlightenment is
not all it's been cracked up to be, or it's
time to call bullshit. When you have someone
who claims to be "highly empathetic" insinuating
that someone who challenges her holy word is on
drugs, that may also be an indicator that there
is a bovine turd floating in her empathetic
punchbowl.

One of my teachers once said (and should have
listened to his own advice IMO): "Listen to what
people say, but watch what they DO."

Anyone can claim anything they want about their
supposed state of consciousness, or their supposed
level of empathy. But watch what they DO. That's
where the bullshit meter is useful.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> >
Mr. Enlightened Guy:
> > > And no it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a 
> > > completely normal state of life. Not super normal-- just plain 
> > > meat and potatoes normal.
> >
> > The state of enlightenment that Maharishi was pitching included
> > magical powers.  Calling the ability to fly normal is a misuse 
> > of the word.  As far as the internal experience that may be true 
> > because I think it is very likely that many or even most people 
> > who describe themselves as enlightened just have a more dramatic 
> > way of describing states of awareness the rest of us take for 
> > granted.
> 
> Or, as is more traditionally claimed, they had a meditative 
> experience that's unusual in that it shifts the way we see things, 
> and they take the new shift--the grass that was greener, now fenced 
> in by "you"--as enlightenment. Really it's just one of many, many 
> realizations on the road. Keep moving, there's nothing to see here.

Well said, both of you.

I mean, on a practical level, has there ever been
*anyone* in human history whose cry of, "Look at
me, I'm enlightened" can really be interpreted as
"Look at me, I'm normal?"

In even the most benevolent cases, the announce-
ment of one's enlightenment to those who are not
enlightened or who do not even know that such a
state could exist is an *invitation*, a call to
"Be like me."

When the announcement is followed by pronouncements
of "truth," and those pronouncements, when their
truth is challenged, defended by "Well, it IS true,
because I 'see' it, and the enlightened see clearly
and correctly," well, the claims of "normality" are
even more laughable.

I honestly think that the biggest problem in this
whole scenario is what Vaj put his finger on. Maha-
rishi and many other teachers speak of enlighten-
ment as a "one shot deal and then it's done" phen-
omenon. So when they have an extraordinary exper-
ience that shifts their normal POV, they assume
it's permanent, and announce their permanent 
enlightenment. And then they stop their meditation
practices ("We don't need to meditate any more; we 
are 'the goal' of meditation") and they stop reading
books about such experiences, especially the ones
that say that there are levels they have never
experienced ("Why should we read 'authorities?' We
*are* the 'authority.'"). They pontificate and act
as if their every word should be taken as gospel,
and every once in a while they throw in, "We're 
not different or special or super-normal...we're
just normal." Yeah, right.

On the whole, in this age, the enlightened give
enlightenment a bad name.

[FairfieldLife] Gay Marriage In California

[John]

To All:

The vedic scriptures allow marriage to a tree, a clay pot, and even 
allow marriage by abduction, as Krishna did.  However, the scriptures 
do not recognize any marriages between human couples of the same 
sex.  The rationale behind these injunctions is that marriage is for 
the procreation of children.

There's a story in Shrimad Bhagavatam, also, which states that Indra, 
the king of the demigods and the senses, have been known to put on a 
ruse as a guru and rishi to confuse the people in the world.  He does 
this to make sure that human beings do not get far advanced in their 
understanding of reality and to ensure his power as the king of the 
demigods.  Thus, we see many false prophets and wise men who proclaim 
to have the path to Reality.

In this regard, it is possible that the California judges who allowed 
gay marriages in the state may have been influenced by the subtle 
reasonings of Indra, the king of the senses.

JR

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[mrfishey2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> no, but you can kill yourself as dead as any dead person, and remain 
> alive-- that's magical. As for all the other, materially based stuff 
> like shape shifting and flying, it looks like a complete waste of 
> time. Compared to normal life, it seems ludicrous and foolish-- just 
> a way to entice the unenlightened, that's all.
>

--

Mr Sandiego – this is truly enchanting to me - an unenlightened. A wealth of 
possibilities. 
Might I ask; if your young son was dying of cancer, would you be able to save 
him?

[FairfieldLife] The Ramayan Podcast

[Rick Archer]

http://www.ifiw.org/rama/ramayan.xml# 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > The state of enlightenment that Maharishi was pitching included
> > magical powers.  Calling the ability to fly normal is a misuse 
of the
> > word.  As far as the internal experience that may be true 
because I
> > think it is very likely that many or even most people who 
describe
> > themselves as enlightened just have a more dramatic way of 
describing
> > states of awareness the rest of us take for granted.
> > 
> > 
> > >
> >
> 
> I find myself agreeing with you again.  At some point I was going 
to
> bring up the magic powers stuff.  When I have asked some Sidhas 
what
> they think about the fact that they cannnot fly after all these 
years,
> I get two different responses.  One is that they can fly, just not
> very far or for very long. The other is that the flying isn't what 
is
> important.  
> 
> It is hard to pin down how much magic goes together with
> enlightenment.  Can you change the atoms around in your body to 
make
> yourself into a tree?  Etc.
>
no, but you can kill yourself as dead as any dead person, and remain 
alive-- that's magical. As for all the other, materially based stuff 
like shape shifting and flying, it looks like a complete waste of 
time. Compared to normal life, it seems ludicrous and foolish-- just 
a way to entice the unenlightened, that's all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're saying here 
> (below) or how it relates to the Byron Katie post.  As you read 
her 
> account of awakening, does it read like what you experience 
> internally?
> 
> This is a sincere query, I'm not going for a gotcha putdown or 
> anything, I'm curious as to how you relate to what Byron Katie 
wrote 
> about her awakening and subsequent internal experience.
> 
> Thanks for trying again, if you don't mind; if not, then that's 
> okay, too.
> 
> Marek
> 
Yes, the BK narrative reads like what I experience internally, with 
a big dash of drama from BK thrown in. I am not saying that BK is 
trying to be dramatic, though what she describes is sort of the way 
someone would compress the experience of awakening for a TV show. 
Which is not to say it is fake in her case-- far from it. Its just 
that my experience has been one of more gradual coming to realize 
there was only a practical "me" left, after being in situations over 
the last three plus years in which I was invited through 
circumstance to reference an old taken for granted piece of my 
identity and realizing quietly that it no longer existed, replaced 
instead by spontaneous action in the moment, skill in action. So yes 
my internal state is much like hers, only it didn't happen like that 
all at once-- more like finding myself one day in March 2005 at the 
top of a ginat waterslide, pushing off and realizing that the ride 
is the best ever, and that it never ends. 

Sounds trite probably, but that's the best I can come up with, 
unless I tried again, which is tough to do once you realize that no 
matter how many times the experience is described, the description 
is of course difference each time, because time and space both move 
on in a relative context with regard to the event of awakening.

When I spoke earlier about context, I meant that just as BK 
describes watching her world be created as she for example rises 
without any thought of doing so, everything, even volition becomes 
pretty automatic. The idea of doing something new and groundbreaking 
and exciting and "really challenging my sense of who I am" often  
occurs for me these days through something completely mundane, like 
walking outside, or breathing, or reading, because there is no 
longer any context for such an action, nor any attempt to hold on to 
past memories of having done so, or hold on to those memories in 
order to form part of my identity. As MMY said, forgetting is a 
blessing. Skill in action replaces those parts of me, most of "me" 
that is no longer necessary. 

Like the archaic term, "witnessing"-- I suppose it is all like that, 
though having lost awhile back any sense of what that term means 
when it is constant, it seems overly dramatic to refer to my entire 
way of being like that, "hey buddy, I am witnessing...again"-- ick, 
so what? so very CC, and humdrum-- what's next? That's what I am 
interested in now. I guess. unless I'm not.

Hope that helps answer your question Marek. if it doesn't, there's 
always the choice to ask another.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Bhairitu]

Sal Sunshine wrote:
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 8:57 PM, gullible fool wrote:
>
>> Someone asked: Suggestion: When Bhairitu posts his counts, perhaps he 
>> could include a table of U.S. time zones indicating what time the 
>> count was made in each zone. Maybe include applicable time zones for 
>> regular posters not in the U.S. (UK, Spain, others?). That shouldn't 
>> be hard for him to program so it's automatic each time.
>>
>>
>>
>> Or, people for whom making 50 posts per week is such a big issue 
>> could simply get a life.
>>
>
> LOL...that would be pretty much everyone on this board. :)
>
> Sal
Look at the count again.  Those below Judy were more than 20 posts 
away.  The majority here don't get close to 50 posts a week and probably 
most of them aren't even counting.   There are just a few who get 
carried away (obsessive-compulsive) that they over post.  I agree with 
Gullible in they probably need to get a life.  But as you know I was 
opposed to limits anyway and only programmed the counter just for a 
little joke I wanted to post commenting on the behavior on Saturday 
mornings which resembled a horse race (hence "they're off and running." :)

I can have the program generate the zone info at the bottom of the 
post.  It will include both standard and daytime zones for the US and 
Europe.  Folks will have to be aware when their zone changes with DST 
which is a different date throughout the world.  Personally I find DST 
to be a bunch of crap and probably even fattening.  It is probably 
obsolete in a world where businesses run on flextime.  Research has 
shown it no longer saves energy but wastes more (folks going home 
earlier and turning on those AC units).

I know some folks don't understand time zones so here a little info in a 
nutshell.  As you all know we used to tell time using sun dials.  The 
days actually started when the sun was directly over head, due north or 
south.   So each little community had its own time of day.  That time of 
day was known as Local Actual Time (LAT).   Then they decided that 
wouldn't work as civilization advanced so they began taking the average 
throughout the year of the LAT.  That became known as Local Mean Time.  
Now when you started having train schedules and telegraphs that wasn't 
going to work either so they took an average for the region within 
limits and that gives us our modern Standard Time.  Of course there was 
the concept of Daylight Saving Time or Daylight Time where the clocks 
were set ahead an hour supposedly to save energy.  This only would occur 
in non-tropical countries because sunrise and sunset in the tropics does 
not vary that much throughout the year so there it was a worthless 
concept.  India, for example, does not have DST.

Some businesses such as airlines and even the BBC may report the time as 
Universal Time or GMT as a constant.  Swatch suggested a 10 base time 
system known as "Internet Time" back in the 1990s but it went nowhere.  
I suspect in due time because we've shrunk the world with the Internet 
that we'll eventually do away with time zones.  But to do that we can't 
keep dumbing down the public.  :)

I'm using UTC as it is a constant and does not change.  Again if you 
aren't logged in to Yahoo Groups and look at the posts they are listed 
as UTC not according to your time zone (that only happens when you log in).

I might suggest though, Rick, you cut a little slack on people with one 
or two posts over for a week or two until they are used to the change.   
The only disadvantage was the folks in the European zones no longer get 
the jump on posting Saturday morning while folks in the US are snoring.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[curtisdeltablues]

Jim, you lost me on this jag.  I guess the humor seemed too heavy
handed.  But on the other hand if you were running this routine all in
Dadaesque satire of an obviously straight guy, then I may have to
reconsider a bit.  You are often a surprise Jim, so I don't count out
that I missed your groove on this one.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Excellent dismantling of a particularly obnoxious thread award 
> goes to
> > Shemp and Peter.
> > 
> > And big up for Turq viewing the whole schoolyard "Turq is a fag"
> > taunting routine with equanimity and humor.
> 
> Hey, what about my equanimity and humor? No props for me-- I thought 
> my evidence against Barry was pretty airtight.
>  
> > And Jim. WTF?  That was a dark road for you to travel my brother. 
> > Come back home.  Accusing someone of being secretly gay is s
> > 1950's.  Unless...
> > 
> > I've hit on Turq many times and the guy never even uncoiled, much 
> to
> > my disappointment.
> > 
> Obviously he's a top.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[curtisdeltablues]

> Life can be difficult here but they really know how to have a good
> time! You should set up a gig here, Curtis. They'd love you and your
> music!

Thanks man, great idea.  I know some blues performers in DC who do
Brazilian tours every year, there is a big blues loving crowd I am
missing.  It would be cheaper than Europe for a tour.  I'm gunna look
into it more.  

I am such a fan of the Chaiparinya, and I already love all the food, I
need to get there!  I'll look into some booking agents down there.  I
would love to feel the vibe you live in every day man!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Dorflex .. my country is Brazil .. i live in Porto alegre 
> > > > 
> > > > Which its city ? where you lives nowadays ? in which city ?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I'm in Rio de Janeiro. I'm a retired American married to a wonderful
> > > Brazilian woman.
> > 
> > I hung out with Brazilians in my Jiu-jitsu days.  What a beautiful fun
> > loving culture! They represent the "Art of Living" for me.  Good on ya
> > mate for diving into such a rich culture.  I'll bet you smile more in
> > one day than most of us do in a week!
> 
> 
> The Brazilian culture has *genuine*  h e a r t . 
> 
> Life can be difficult here but they really know how to have a good
> time! You should set up a gig here, Curtis. They'd love you and your
> music!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Excellent dismantling of a particularly obnoxious thread award 
goes to
> Shemp and Peter.
> 
> And big up for Turq viewing the whole schoolyard "Turq is a fag"
> taunting routine with equanimity and humor.

Hey, what about my equanimity and humor? No props for me-- I thought 
my evidence against Barry was pretty airtight.
 
> And Jim. WTF?  That was a dark road for you to travel my brother. 
> Come back home.  Accusing someone of being secretly gay is s
> 1950's.  Unless...
> 
> I've hit on Turq many times and the guy never even uncoiled, much 
to
> my disappointment.
> 
Obviously he's a top.

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: It's a great day for finding dumb stuff on the Internet] Barry's gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote:
> 
> > You still haven't admitted that you are gay, Barry.
> 
> Why should he "admit" something that's clearly not the case?
> 
> Medication time, Jim.
> 
> Sal
>
thought you already had yours...oh well, double up- you obviously need 
it...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Dorflex .. my country is Brazil .. i live in Porto alegre 
> > > 
> > > Which its city ? where you lives nowadays ? in which city ?
> > 
> > 
> > I'm in Rio de Janeiro. I'm a retired American married to a wonderful
> > Brazilian woman.
> 
> I hung out with Brazilians in my Jiu-jitsu days.  What a beautiful fun
> loving culture! They represent the "Art of Living" for me.  Good on ya
> mate for diving into such a rich culture.  I'll bet you smile more in
> one day than most of us do in a week!


The Brazilian culture has *genuine*  h e a r t . 

Life can be difficult here but they really know how to have a good
time! You should set up a gig here, Curtis. They'd love you and your
music!

[FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[curtisdeltablues]

Excellent dismantling of a particularly obnoxious thread award goes to
Shemp and Peter.

And big up for Turq viewing the whole schoolyard "Turq is a fag"
taunting routine with equanimity and humor.

And Jim. WTF?  That was a dark road for you to travel my brother. 
Come back home.  Accusing someone of being secretly gay is s
1950's.  Unless...

I've hit on Turq many times and the guy never even uncoiled, much to
my disappointment.


 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- shempmcgurk  wrote:
> > 
> > > There's something distasteful about pidgeonholing
> > > someone for their 
> > > alleged sexual persuasion.  In this case, it's about
> > > someone who is not 
> > > only obviously heterosexual but probably doesn't use
> > > one calory of 
> > > energy worrying whether people think he's gay or
> > > not.
> > > 
> > > Be that as it may, there's someone on this forum who
> > > insists on 
> > > declaring, as he does from time to time, that I
> > > frequent prostitutes.  
> > > I actually find the idea amusing that I would and,
> > > perhaps, the idea in 
> > > his head started because I even said something to
> > > that effect on this 
> > > or another forum once.
> > > 
> > > But like the "Barry is gay" proposition, there is
> > > something distasteful 
> > > about trying to pidegeonhole someone on this.
> > > 
> > > So, I will take my inspiration from the King of
> > > Denmark during WWII who 
> > > donned the Star of David when the occupying Nazis
> > > ordered all Jews to 
> > > wear them, declaring: "All Danes are equal". 
> > > Denmark had one of the 
> > > lowest rates of Jews being sent to concentration
> > > camps as a result.
> > > 
> > > I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes
> > > whenever I can!
> > 
> > Shemp, thanks for last night, but you still owe me
> > $20.00 for that extra thing I did.
> 
> 
> Sucker.
> 
> Get your money up front.
> 
> 
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[FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
> >  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't 
make
> > > > > > > stuff up, people might actually believe what you say 
once
> > > > > > > in a while. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
> > > > > > Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
> > > > > > STOOOPID liar.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Probably about the same time you did, Judy. :)
> > > > 
> > > > No, Sal, I don't lie.
> > > 
> > > You do, however, feel free to exceed the 
> > > posting limit any time you feel like it.
> > > 
> > > That's 51, according to Yahoo.
> > > 
> > > Rick, given the fact that Judy has been
> > > reminded of her total number of posts 
> > > several times today, is this or is this 
> > > not a flagrant violation of the posting 
> > > limits?
> > > 
> > > Your call, of course.
> >
> > why do I see you as the little whiney kid in school, ratting out 
> > someone else? Much like you accused the poster earlier this week 
> > of doing wrt MMY's secret teaching (and you jumped all over 
> > them...)? Suck it up, dude.
> 
> Jim, in all seriousness, is this how you
> convince people that you are enlightened?
> 
> And, as long as I'm asking questions, here's
> the one you're melting down in public over:
> 
> How do you know how heaven is decorated?
> 
> You made the claim, dude. According to you, 
> AN ENLIGHTENED BEING made that claim. 
> 
> Seems to me if you fail to back it up, you
> are convincing the readers of Fairfield Life 
> that you're an enlightened pussy.
>
lol- how self important you are, to think legions of members hang on 
your every word, or mine for that matter-- still lost in your sexual 
confusion too I see. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[curtisdeltablues]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo  wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dorflex .. my country is Brazil .. i live in Porto alegre 
> > 
> > Which its city ? where you lives nowadays ? in which city ?
> 
> 
> I'm in Rio de Janeiro. I'm a retired American married to a wonderful
> Brazilian woman.

I hung out with Brazilians in my Jiu-jitsu days.  What a beautiful fun
loving culture! They represent the "Art of Living" for me.  Good on ya
mate for diving into such a rich culture.  I'll bet you smile more in
one day than most of us do in a week!

 

> 
> 
> 
> >   - Original Message - 
> >   From: do.rflex 
> >   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:12 AM
> >   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay
> > 
> > 
> >   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo  wrote:
> >   >
> >   > Hi Dorflex 
> >   > 
> >   > Sorry ... but I did not resist to temptation :)
> >   > 
> >   > I my country, your Nick is a medicine for pain :) 
> >   > 
> >   > Do not be angry ...is a joke :) 
> > 
> >   Yes, Marcelo, I know. I live in Brazil where Dorflex is a common
> remedio. 
> > 
> >   Interestingly when I was signing up with the FFL Yahoo account, I
> >   couldn't get it to accept any of the names I chose - so I just
picked
> >   'dorflex' and added um ponto.
> > 
> >   I'd answer you fully en portugesa mas eo tenho aprender mais para
> >   falar melhor. Are you in Brazil or Portugal?
> > 
> >  
> http://blog.lupevision.com/up/l/lu/blog.lupevision.com/img/DSC09410.JPG
> >   > 
> >   > - Original Message - 
> >   > From: do.rflex 
> >   > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> >   > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:39 PM
> >   > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most
likely gay
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
wrote:
> >   > >
> >   > > And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
> >   > > looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
> >   > > 
> >   > > Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
> >   > > to answer that question, now that you have 
> >   > > claimed to know.
> >   > > 
> >   > > It also seems to me that you've resorted
> >   > > to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
> >   > > you're not answering this question. 
> >   > > 
> >   > > So I'm going to keep asking it until you DO
> >   > > answer it. Here was the original context of
> >   > > your claim:
> >   > > 
> >   > > > > > > My impression of Seelisberg was that it was the
> >   > > > > > > largest museum to the gay lifestyle I'd ever seen.
> >   > > > > > 
> >   > > > > > you'd have to say the same thing about heaven then. Only 
> >   > > > > > real men go to hell, eh?
> >   > > > > 
> >   > > > > Are you now claiming not only to be enlightened
> >   > > > > (and I think we both know how many people here
> >   > > > > believe that) but to know how heaven is decorated, 
> >   > > > > Jim? :-) :-) :-)
> >   > > > 
> >   > > > Yes Barry I am. Suck it up dude.
> >   > > 
> >   > > You're awfully free with the term "suck it 
> >   > > up," Mr. Enlightened Guy. Can you walk the
> >   > > walk of your own talk? Why not "suck it up"
> >   > > yourself and answer the question? 
> >   > > 
> >   > > It should be simple for someone as enlight-
> >   > > ened as yourself. In fact, you claimed not 
> >   > > long ago that your reason for writing here 
> >   > > was to "share your experiences." Seems to
> >   > > me that the experience that enables you to 
> >   > > know how heaven is decorated would be a 
> >   > > real doozy, one that you'd *love* to share
> >   > > with us.
> >   > > 
> >   > > So how DO you know how heaven is decorated?
> >   > > 
> >   > > I'll wait.
> >   > > 
> >   > > And I'll keep asking until you answer, no matter
> >   > > how many times you call me gay, and no matter
> >   > > what else you call me. 
> >   > 
> >   > Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
> >   > good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 
> >   > 
> >   > [snip]
> >   >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 8:57 PM, gullible fool wrote:

Someone asked: Suggestion: When Bhairitu posts his counts, perhaps  
he could include a table of U.S. time zones indicating what time  
the count was made in each zone. Maybe include applicable time  
zones for regular posters not in the U.S. (UK, Spain, others?).  
That shouldn't be hard for him to program so it's automatic each time.




Or, people for whom making 50 posts per week is such a big issue  
could simply get a life.




LOL...that would be pretty much everyone on this board. :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dorflex .. my country is Brazil .. i live in Porto alegre 
> 
> Which its city ? where you lives nowadays ? in which city ?


I'm in Rio de Janeiro. I'm a retired American married to a wonderful
Brazilian woman.



>   - Original Message - 
>   From: do.rflex 
>   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:12 AM
>   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay
> 
> 
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo  wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi Dorflex 
>   > 
>   > Sorry ... but I did not resist to temptation :)
>   > 
>   > I my country, your Nick is a medicine for pain :) 
>   > 
>   > Do not be angry ...is a joke :) 
> 
>   Yes, Marcelo, I know. I live in Brazil where Dorflex is a common
remedio. 
> 
>   Interestingly when I was signing up with the FFL Yahoo account, I
>   couldn't get it to accept any of the names I chose - so I just picked
>   'dorflex' and added um ponto.
> 
>   I'd answer you fully en portugesa mas eo tenho aprender mais para
>   falar melhor. Are you in Brazil or Portugal?
> 
>  
http://blog.lupevision.com/up/l/lu/blog.lupevision.com/img/DSC09410.JPG
>   > 
>   > - Original Message - 
>   > From: do.rflex 
>   > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>   > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:39 PM
>   > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay
>   > 
>   > 
>   > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>   > >
>   > > And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
>   > > looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
>   > > 
>   > > Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
>   > > to answer that question, now that you have 
>   > > claimed to know.
>   > > 
>   > > It also seems to me that you've resorted
>   > > to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
>   > > you're not answering this question. 
>   > > 
>   > > So I'm going to keep asking it until you DO
>   > > answer it. Here was the original context of
>   > > your claim:
>   > > 
>   > > > > > > My impression of Seelisberg was that it was the
>   > > > > > > largest museum to the gay lifestyle I'd ever seen.
>   > > > > > 
>   > > > > > you'd have to say the same thing about heaven then. Only 
>   > > > > > real men go to hell, eh?
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > Are you now claiming not only to be enlightened
>   > > > > (and I think we both know how many people here
>   > > > > believe that) but to know how heaven is decorated, 
>   > > > > Jim? :-) :-) :-)
>   > > > 
>   > > > Yes Barry I am. Suck it up dude.
>   > > 
>   > > You're awfully free with the term "suck it 
>   > > up," Mr. Enlightened Guy. Can you walk the
>   > > walk of your own talk? Why not "suck it up"
>   > > yourself and answer the question? 
>   > > 
>   > > It should be simple for someone as enlight-
>   > > ened as yourself. In fact, you claimed not 
>   > > long ago that your reason for writing here 
>   > > was to "share your experiences." Seems to
>   > > me that the experience that enables you to 
>   > > know how heaven is decorated would be a 
>   > > real doozy, one that you'd *love* to share
>   > > with us.
>   > > 
>   > > So how DO you know how heaven is decorated?
>   > > 
>   > > I'll wait.
>   > > 
>   > > And I'll keep asking until you answer, no matter
>   > > how many times you call me gay, and no matter
>   > > what else you call me. 
>   > 
>   > Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
>   > good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 
>   > 
>   > [snip]
>   >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[Peter]

Hey, now a day, $20.00 is important in the tight
economy!

--- paul mccarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> who cares?
> 
> shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   
>  --- In
> FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>  wrote:
>  >
>  > 
>  > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > 
>  > > There's something distasteful about
> pidgeonholing
>  > > someone for their 
>  > > alleged sexual persuasion.  In this case, it's
> about
>  > > someone who is not 
>  > > only obviously heterosexual but probably
> doesn't use
>  > > one calory of 
>  > > energy worrying whether people think he's gay
> or
>  > > not.
>  > > 
>  > > Be that as it may, there's someone on this
> forum who
>  > > insists on 
>  > > declaring, as he does from time to time, that I
>  > > frequent prostitutes.  
>  > > I actually find the idea amusing that I would
> and,
>  > > perhaps, the idea in 
>  > > his head started because I even said something
> to
>  > > that effect on this 
>  > > or another forum once.
>  > > 
>  > > But like the "Barry is gay" proposition, there
> is
>  > > something distasteful 
>  > > about trying to pidegeonhole someone on this.
>  > > 
>  > > So, I will take my inspiration from the King of
>  > > Denmark during WWII who 
>  > > donned the Star of David when the occupying
> Nazis
>  > > ordered all Jews to 
>  > > wear them, declaring: "All Danes are equal". 
>  > > Denmark had one of the 
>  > > lowest rates of Jews being sent to
> concentration
>  > > camps as a result.
>  > > 
>  > > I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes
>  > > whenever I can!
>  > 
>  > Shemp, thanks for last night, but you still owe
> me
>  > $20.00 for that extra thing I did.
>  
>  Sucker.
>  
>  Get your money up front.
>  
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > To subscribe, send a message to:
>  > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > 
>  > > Or go to: 
>  > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
>  > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > >
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > >
>  >
>  
>  
>  
>
> 
>
> -
>  Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now



  

RE: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[gullible fool]

Someone asked: Suggestion: When Bhairitu posts his counts, perhaps he could 
include a table of U.S. time zones indicating what time the count was made in 
each zone. Maybe include applicable time zones for regular posters not in the 
U.S. (UK, Spain, others?). That shouldn't be hard for him to program so it's 
automatic each time.
 
Or, people for whom making 50 posts per week is such a big issue could 
simply get a life.

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday 
Night)
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:54 PM










From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
Bhairitu
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:16 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday 
Night)
 



It is actually quite simple. If you know your time zone in the case of 
Central Daylight Time you are 5 hours behind Universal Time so 7 PM + 5 
hours equal 12 midnight. Pacific Daylight Time is 7 hours behind and 
Eastern Daylight Time is 4 hours, Mountain Daylight Time 6 hours and 
most European time zones will be ahead by an hour or two. When we 
change back to standard time in the fall you would add an hour to these 
values. Universal Time is the same as Greenwich Mean Time but does go 
to Daylight Time.
Someone asked: Suggestion: When Bhairitu posts his counts, perhaps he could 
include a table of U.S. time zones indicating what time the count was made in 
each zone. Maybe include applicable time zones for regular posters not in the 
U.S. (UK, Spain, others?). That shouldn't be hard for him to program so it's 
automatic each time. 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[Marcelo]

Hi Dorflex .. my country is Brazil .. i live in Porto alegre 

Which its city ? where you lives nowadays ? in which city ?




  - Original Message - 
  From: do.rflex 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:12 AM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay


  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > Hi Dorflex 
  > 
  > Sorry ... but I did not resist to temptation :)
  > 
  > I my country, your Nick is a medicine for pain :) 
  > 
  > Do not be angry ...is a joke :) 

  Yes, Marcelo, I know. I live in Brazil where Dorflex is a common remedio. 

  Interestingly when I was signing up with the FFL Yahoo account, I
  couldn't get it to accept any of the names I chose - so I just picked
  'dorflex' and added um ponto.

  I'd answer you fully en portugesa mas eo tenho aprender mais para
  falar melhor. Are you in Brazil or Portugal?

  http://blog.lupevision.com/up/l/lu/blog.lupevision.com/img/DSC09410.JPG
  > 
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: do.rflex 
  > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:39 PM
  > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay
  > 
  > 
  > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
  > >
  > > And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
  > > looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
  > > 
  > > Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
  > > to answer that question, now that you have 
  > > claimed to know.
  > > 
  > > It also seems to me that you've resorted
  > > to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
  > > you're not answering this question. 
  > > 
  > > So I'm going to keep asking it until you DO
  > > answer it. Here was the original context of
  > > your claim:
  > > 
  > > > > > > My impression of Seelisberg was that it was the
  > > > > > > largest museum to the gay lifestyle I'd ever seen.
  > > > > > 
  > > > > > you'd have to say the same thing about heaven then. Only 
  > > > > > real men go to hell, eh?
  > > > > 
  > > > > Are you now claiming not only to be enlightened
  > > > > (and I think we both know how many people here
  > > > > believe that) but to know how heaven is decorated, 
  > > > > Jim? :-) :-) :-)
  > > > 
  > > > Yes Barry I am. Suck it up dude.
  > > 
  > > You're awfully free with the term "suck it 
  > > up," Mr. Enlightened Guy. Can you walk the
  > > walk of your own talk? Why not "suck it up"
  > > yourself and answer the question? 
  > > 
  > > It should be simple for someone as enlight-
  > > ened as yourself. In fact, you claimed not 
  > > long ago that your reason for writing here 
  > > was to "share your experiences." Seems to
  > > me that the experience that enables you to 
  > > know how heaven is decorated would be a 
  > > real doozy, one that you'd *love* to share
  > > with us.
  > > 
  > > So how DO you know how heaven is decorated?
  > > 
  > > I'll wait.
  > > 
  > > And I'll keep asking until you answer, no matter
  > > how many times you call me gay, and no matter
  > > what else you call me. 
  > 
  > Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
  > good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 
  > 
  > [snip]
  >



   

RE: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bhairitu
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:16 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw
Tuesday Night)

 

It is actually quite simple. If you know your time zone in the case of 
Central Daylight Time you are 5 hours behind Universal Time so 7 PM + 5 
hours equal 12 midnight. Pacific Daylight Time is 7 hours behind and 
Eastern Daylight Time is 4 hours, Mountain Daylight Time 6 hours and 
most European time zones will be ahead by an hour or two. When we 
change back to standard time in the fall you would add an hour to these 
values. Universal Time is the same as Greenwich Mean Time but does go 
to Daylight Time.

Someone asked: Suggestion: When Bhairitu posts his counts, perhaps he could
include a table of U.S. time zones indicating what time the count was made
in each zone. Maybe include applicable time zones for regular posters not in
the U.S. (UK, Spain, others?). That shouldn't be hard for him to program so
it's automatic each time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count

[off_world_beings]

Poor Mr.Fishey2001. I am sure he is being prejudiced against by 
having him on the bottom of the list.

OffWorld



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy was 1 over.
> 
> 291 messages as of (UTC) Mon Jun  9 00:17:16 2008
> Member   Posts
> 
> "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  51
> "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>29
> TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>27
> "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20
> Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19
> "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  16
> Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   10
> "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  9
> "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   9
> Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>8
> Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>8
> sgrayatlarge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  7
> "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>7
> off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  7
> ruthsimplicity <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>6
> "Tom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5
> Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5
> "Richard J. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   5
> "yifuxero" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  4
> "boo_lives" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>4
> bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  4
> "mainstream20016" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>4
> "R.G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>3
> "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>3
> gullible fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2
> cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  2
> "Hugo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>2
> satvadude108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  2
> "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   2
> "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  1
> Robert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>1
> "benjaminccollins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   1
> "Alex Stanley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   1
> vlodrop108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>1
> vedoham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   1
> Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>1
> "Jeffrey N Cook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>1
> Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>1
> paul mccarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 1
> "mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  1
> posters: 40
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:33 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw
> Tuesday Night)
>
>  
>
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes, Judy is currently at 51.  I jibed in last night's count that she 
>
> was only 17 posts away from maxing out in one day.  :)
>
> Judy explained to me in a private message: I assume Bhairitu's count is
> accurate, and I had thought, based on his most recent report, that I was at
> 49 posts, which is also what Yahoo's Advanced Search said.
>
>  
>
> Apparently I miscalculated the EST time from the "as of" UT time of
> Bhairitu's last report and went over by two; and Advanced Search didn't pick
> up two of my posts, further misleading me. I think you know I never go over
> intentionally.
>
>  
>
> Rick, isn't it possible that with the count starting at a different time
>
> (at least I think it did) people might have gotten confused?  I know
>
> I am about just when the count starts now.
>
>  
>
> Sal
>
> Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think the rollover time is now 7pm in Iowa.
It is actually quite simple.  If you know your time zone in the case of 
Central Daylight Time you are 5 hours behind Universal Time so 7 PM + 5 
hours equal 12 midnight.   Pacific Daylight Time is 7 hours behind and 
Eastern Daylight Time is 4 hours, Mountain Daylight Time 6 hours and 
most European time zones will be ahead by an hour or two.   When we 
change back to standard time in the fall you would add an hour to these 
values.  Universal Time is the same as Greenwich Mean Time but does go 
to Daylight Time.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Dorflex 
> 
> Sorry ... but I did not resist to temptation :)
> 
> I my country, your  Nick is a medicine for pain :) 
> 
> Do not be angry ...is a joke :) 


Yes, Marcelo, I know. I live in Brazil where Dorflex is a common remedio. 

Interestingly when I was signing up with the FFL Yahoo account, I
couldn't get it to accept any of the names I chose - so I just picked
'dorflex' and added um ponto.

I'd answer you fully en portugesa mas eo tenho aprender mais para
falar melhor. Are you in Brazil or Portugal?



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> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: do.rflex 
>   To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:39 PM
>   Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay
> 
> 
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>   >
>   > And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
>   > looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
>   > 
>   > Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
>   > to answer that question, now that you have 
>   > claimed to know.
>   > 
>   > It also seems to me that you've resorted
>   > to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
>   > you're not answering this question. 
>   > 
>   > So I'm going to keep asking it until you DO
>   > answer it. Here was the original context of
>   > your claim:
>   > 
>   > > > > > My impression of Seelisberg was that it was the
>   > > > > > largest museum to the gay lifestyle I'd ever seen.
>   > > > > 
>   > > > > you'd have to say the same thing about heaven then. Only 
>   > > > > real men go to hell, eh?
>   > > > 
>   > > > Are you now claiming not only to be enlightened
>   > > > (and I think we both know how many people here
>   > > > believe that) but to know how heaven is decorated, 
>   > > > Jim? :-) :-) :-)
>   > > 
>   > > Yes Barry I am. Suck it up dude.
>   > 
>   > You're awfully free with the term "suck it 
>   > up," Mr. Enlightened Guy. Can you walk the
>   > walk of your own talk? Why not "suck it up"
>   > yourself and answer the question? 
>   > 
>   > It should be simple for someone as enlight-
>   > ened as yourself. In fact, you claimed not 
>   > long ago that your reason for writing here 
>   > was to "share your experiences." Seems to
>   > me that the experience that enables you to 
>   > know how heaven is decorated would be a 
>   > real doozy, one that you'd *love* to share
>   > with us.
>   > 
>   > So how DO you know how heaven is decorated?
>   > 
>   > I'll wait.
>   > 
>   > And I'll keep asking until you answer, no matter
>   > how many times you call me gay, and no matter
>   > what else you call me. 
> 
>   Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
>   good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 
> 
>   [snip]
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[Marcelo]

Hi Dorflex 

Sorry ... but I did not resist to temptation :)

I my country, your  Nick is a medicine for pain :) 

Do not be angry ...is a joke :) 



http://blog.lupevision.com/up/l/lu/blog.lupevision.com/img/DSC09410.JPG

  - Original Message - 
  From: do.rflex 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 5:39 PM
  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay


  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  >
  > And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
  > looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
  > 
  > Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
  > to answer that question, now that you have 
  > claimed to know.
  > 
  > It also seems to me that you've resorted
  > to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
  > you're not answering this question. 
  > 
  > So I'm going to keep asking it until you DO
  > answer it. Here was the original context of
  > your claim:
  > 
  > > > > > My impression of Seelisberg was that it was the
  > > > > > largest museum to the gay lifestyle I'd ever seen.
  > > > > 
  > > > > you'd have to say the same thing about heaven then. Only 
  > > > > real men go to hell, eh?
  > > > 
  > > > Are you now claiming not only to be enlightened
  > > > (and I think we both know how many people here
  > > > believe that) but to know how heaven is decorated, 
  > > > Jim? :-) :-) :-)
  > > 
  > > Yes Barry I am. Suck it up dude.
  > 
  > You're awfully free with the term "suck it 
  > up," Mr. Enlightened Guy. Can you walk the
  > walk of your own talk? Why not "suck it up"
  > yourself and answer the question? 
  > 
  > It should be simple for someone as enlight-
  > ened as yourself. In fact, you claimed not 
  > long ago that your reason for writing here 
  > was to "share your experiences." Seems to
  > me that the experience that enables you to 
  > know how heaven is decorated would be a 
  > real doozy, one that you'd *love* to share
  > with us.
  > 
  > So how DO you know how heaven is decorated?
  > 
  > I'll wait.
  > 
  > And I'll keep asking until you answer, no matter
  > how many times you call me gay, and no matter
  > what else you call me. 

  Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
  good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 

  [snip]



   

RE: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 7:33 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw
Tuesday Night)

 

On Jun 8, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:





Yes, Judy is currently at 51.  I jibed in last night's count that she 

was only 17 posts away from maxing out in one day.  :)

Judy explained to me in a private message: I assume Bhairitu's count is
accurate, and I had thought, based on his most recent report, that I was at
49 posts, which is also what Yahoo's Advanced Search said.

 

Apparently I miscalculated the EST time from the "as of" UT time of
Bhairitu's last report and went over by two; and Advanced Search didn't pick
up two of my posts, further misleading me. I think you know I never go over
intentionally.

 

Rick, isn't it possible that with the count starting at a different time

(at least I think it did) people might have gotten confused?  I know

I am about just when the count starts now.

 

Sal

Yeah, it's a bit confusing. I think the rollover time is now 7pm in Iowa.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 6:37 PM, Bhairitu wrote:


Bhairtu's post counting thingy is now the official determiner of post
totals. Next time he posts it, if Judy or anyone is over the  
limit, even by
one, I'll suspend them for a week (or more if it's a repeated  
offense). No
one has an excuse for accidentally overposting now. Bhairtu's  
tally makes

the totals very clear to all.

Yes, Judy is currently at 51.  I jibed in last night's count that she
was only 17 posts away from maxing out in one day.  :)

The end of day count will be run in about 45 minutes as it will be
inclusive of the full day.  I have to let Yahoo's server catch up too.


Rick, isn't it possible that with the count starting at a different time
(at least I think it did) people might have gotten confused?  I know
I am about just when the count starts now.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

[Bhairitu]

Judy was 1 over.

291 messages as of (UTC) Mon Jun  9 00:17:16 2008
Member   Posts

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"sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>29
TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>27
"shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20
Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19
"curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  16
Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   10
"do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  9
"Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   9
Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>8
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"mrfishey2001" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  1
posters: 40

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The state of enlightenment that Maharishi was pitching included
> magical powers.  Calling the ability to fly normal is a misuse of the
> word.  As far as the internal experience that may be true because I
> think it is very likely that many or even most people who describe
> themselves as enlightened just have a more dramatic way of describing
> states of awareness the rest of us take for granted.
> 
> 
> >
>

I find myself agreeing with you again.  At some point I was going to
bring up the magic powers stuff.  When I have asked some Sidhas what
they think about the fact that they cannnot fly after all these years,
I get two different responses.  One is that they can fly, just not
very far or for very long. The other is that the flying isn't what is
important.  

It is hard to pin down how much magic goes together with
enlightenment.  Can you change the atoms around in your body to make
yourself into a tree?  Etc. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Marek Reavis]

Jim, I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're saying here 
(below) or how it relates to the Byron Katie post.  As you read her 
account of awakening, does it read like what you experience 
internally?

This is a sincere query, I'm not going for a gotcha putdown or 
anything, I'm curious as to how you relate to what Byron Katie wrote 
about her awakening and subsequent internal experience.

Thanks for trying again, if you don't mind; if not, then that's 
okay, too.

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Jim, is your internal experience the same as Byron Katie's?  
> 
> Most of the time, being a very active person, I must maintain just 
> enough of a veneer of context in order to operate efficiently. 
When 
> I am not actively engaged, all of the context just falls away on 
its 
> own, and I can explore different relationships to objects, 
anything 
> from complete dissolution or different contexts, and different 
> energy releationships. Lots of fluidity. Most of the time there is 
> just enough thought to maintain momentum- no more and no less. 
None 
> of those horrid layered stories!
> 
> Does 
> > that description match yours entirely or is it different in some 
> > fashion?
> > 
> > And, Peter, if you're reading this, is this your experience of 
> > awakening?
> > 
> > For anyone else, does this sound familiar?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance,
> > 
> > Marek
> > 
> > **
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I think this glorification of the experience of 
> > depersonalization is
> > > > really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this 
> > state in
> > > > modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more 
> > traditional
> > > > understandings of these experiences.  Just because she 
enjoyed 
> > this
> > > > transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I 
> found 
> > this
> > > > account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it 
but 
> > would
> > > > never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And 
if 
> > the 
> > > person it is occuring to has this experience poorly 
integrated, 
> it 
> > > leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only 
by 
> > > unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, 
of 
> > ego 
> > > story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie 
does, 
> > that 
> > > such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires. 
> And 
> > no 
> > > it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely 
> > normal 
> > > state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes 
> > normal.
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Bhairitu]

Congrats on your successful show!  I started out in life as an artist as 
soon as I could hold a pencil but in my left hand.  Art teachers 
back then didn't know what to do about that and actually I discovered 
later in life in attempts to draw with my right hand the vision in my 
mind more closely matched what I drew than with my left.  Of course my 
right hand had less developed skills.

Angela Mailander wrote:
> You are right on guys, back in the 70s I wrote a poem about that experience 
> when I was still head over heels in love with my own experiences: "Woke up 
> this morning/couldn't re-/member who I was or where/but then things 
> stiffened, reporting for duty..."  Too bad I didn't have you to advise me and 
> manage a guru business, Bhairitu. I'd been meditating thirty years by then.
>
> I'm more or less back, but I still won't be able to read any but a very few 
> posts.  My show at the gallery was, I hear, a huge success, lots of stuff 
> sold, and the gallery wants me to get ready for a bigger show in July.  My 
> studio is barely set up, and, here I don't know where to buy paint yet. 
>
>   

Re: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Bhairitu]

Rick Archer wrote:
>  
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:51 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday
> Night)
>
>  
>
> Rick, given the fact that Judy has been
> reminded of her total number of posts 
> several times today, is this or is this 
> not a flagrant violation of the posting 
> limits?
>
> Your call, of course.
>
> Bhairtu's post counting thingy is now the official determiner of post
> totals. Next time he posts it, if Judy or anyone is over the limit, even by
> one, I'll suspend them for a week (or more if it's a repeated offense). No
> one has an excuse for accidentally overposting now. Bhairtu's tally makes
> the totals very clear to all.
Yes, Judy is currently at 51.  I jibed in last night's count that she 
was only 17 posts away from maxing out in one day.  :)

The end of day count will be run in about 45 minutes as it will be 
inclusive of the full day.  I have to let Yahoo's server catch up too.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good analysis of Hillary's campaign

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


[snip]

She hustled and jumped  
> and slogged and cried and ate and drank and didn't sleep and put 
up  
> with her nutty underminer of a husband for president. 

[snip]

Yeah, that nutty underminer of a husband was the SOLE reason she ever 
became a senator and, of course, a presidential candidate.

I am amused that people like Sal and Judy hold up Hillary Clinton as 
their ideal for a female president.  Why, she is DEFINED by who her 
husband is!  This is the OPPOSITE of feminism, isn't it?

It reminds me of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation...MELINDA  
What the fuck did SHE do to get her name on that foundation and to 
appear on the cover of Time Magazine with Bono and her husband?  It 
was Bill who made all the billions, not her.  She just sat around 
eating bon-bons, spread her legs, had two kids with him, and sits on 
his board.  Big deal.

Only spoiled, stuck-up American women who have everything handed to 
them on a silver-platter could possibly think that they deserve 
things simply because of who they are married to.

But what do you expect in a society where they 50% of everything 
their husband makes even when they sit at home doing nothing?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[mrfishey2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> 
> > 
> >>
> >> Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if the
> >> person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it
> >> leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by
> >> unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of ego
> >> story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, that
> >> such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires.
> >
> > For all the talk about how enlightened people are living some
> > different ego reality, I gotta say, I see no evidence that they are
> > functioning in a fundamentally different way than the rest of us.
> > Maharishi is the single most egotistical person I have ever met. But
> > other than that he acted like any other big business type guy I have
> > met with a big ego to match his big agenda.  Trying to distinguish his
> > ego state from Donald Trump's seems like a stretch for me.
> 
> Well, it's nice to know someone else's on the same page!
> 
> >
> >
> > Without adding the clinical understanding of depersonalization to the
> > understanding of these experiences people are just left to interpret
> > them for themselves.
> >
> > And no
> >> it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely normal
> >> state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes  
> >> normal.
> >
> > The state of enlightenment that Maharishi was pitching included
> > magical powers.  Calling the ability to fly normal is a misuse of the
> > word.  As far as the internal experience that may be true because I
> > think it is very likely that many or even most people who describe
> > themselves as enlightened just have a more dramatic way of describing
> > states of awareness the rest of us take for granted.
> 
> Or, as is more traditionally claimed, they had a meditative experience  
> that's unusual in that it shifts the way we see things, and they take  
> the new shift--the grass that was greener, now fenced in by "you"--as  
> enlightenment. Really it's just one of many, many realizations on the  
> road. Keep moving, there's nothing to see here.
>

-

Cheers to you both. To my mind recent descriptions of enlightened states 
resemble little 
more than a fine and distant summer spent on the opiate hazed shores of 
Essaouira 
Morocco. That one of the world's great narratives, enlightenment, should be 
reduced to a 
tickling node of subjectivity brings sorrow. But then; "I had rather have a 
fool make me 
merry, than experience make me sad." 

Keep moving indeed.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Vaj]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:51 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is
really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this state in
modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional
understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed this
transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this
account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but would
never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.



And just because she had a shift in her perspective--after all we all  
are 'perspective-taking' beings--doesn't mean in necessarily congruent  
with any traditional "E". In fact the E-trads would say that most  
people instead get stuck in some meditative experience or gestalt that  
was really just meant to be 'one of many' on a journey.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[paul mccarthy]

who cares?

shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
 wrote:
 >
 > 
 > --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > 
 > > There's something distasteful about pidgeonholing
 > > someone for their 
 > > alleged sexual persuasion.  In this case, it's about
 > > someone who is not 
 > > only obviously heterosexual but probably doesn't use
 > > one calory of 
 > > energy worrying whether people think he's gay or
 > > not.
 > > 
 > > Be that as it may, there's someone on this forum who
 > > insists on 
 > > declaring, as he does from time to time, that I
 > > frequent prostitutes.  
 > > I actually find the idea amusing that I would and,
 > > perhaps, the idea in 
 > > his head started because I even said something to
 > > that effect on this 
 > > or another forum once.
 > > 
 > > But like the "Barry is gay" proposition, there is
 > > something distasteful 
 > > about trying to pidegeonhole someone on this.
 > > 
 > > So, I will take my inspiration from the King of
 > > Denmark during WWII who 
 > > donned the Star of David when the occupying Nazis
 > > ordered all Jews to 
 > > wear them, declaring: "All Danes are equal". 
 > > Denmark had one of the 
 > > lowest rates of Jews being sent to concentration
 > > camps as a result.
 > > 
 > > I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes
 > > whenever I can!
 > 
 > Shemp, thanks for last night, but you still owe me
 > $20.00 for that extra thing I did.
 
 Sucker.
 
 Get your money up front.
 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > 
 > > To subscribe, send a message to:
 > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > > 
 > > Or go to: 
 > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
 > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
 > > 
 > > 
 > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > > 
 > > 
 > >
 >
 
 
 
   

   
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment

[ruthsimplicity]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> > I think this vibration stuff is unsupported and is
> > misleading those who are in pain and suffering.  Not
> > very empathetic to me.
>
> As you just noted in another post, whether the stuff
> *works* or not is irrelevant to the empathy issue. If
> MMY *believed* it worked, that would be enough to
> demonstrate empathy.

Well, it is relevant if there is no evidence that it works and there is
none for this vibration technology.  And does the movement spend time
researching vibration technology?  Not to my knowledge.  Arguably, it
could be fraud.  To be generous, it is misleading.

But my point with empathy is what Curtis said so eloquently in other
posts: MMY's  purported desire to rid the world of suffering says
nothing about his empathy.  You know empathy by how someone treats
individuals.  Whether they feel another's suffering.  Curtis's direct
experience is consistent with what others have said about MMY.  It is
hard to think MMY  as anything but narcissistic.  I think empathy is
important.  Some do not.  I know some (very few) physicians who do
excellent work in research or on the table, but do not show empathy and
I believe them to have narcissistic traits.   They are motivated by
success, not by heart.  They rarely burn out as they do not suffer much
when their patients suffer. Here they are saving lives, but not
giving a shit about the individual. MMY comes across the same way.

> > maybe not so perfect. I did see a purported quote from him
> > once that said: "There is pain, but there is no suffering."
>
> Yes, *that's* what I'm talking about.

That is what I assumed.
>
>   I think this might
> > be a bit too clever (if he in fact said this).
>
> It's the heart of the matter. MMY is by no means the
> only one to have said this; it's pretty standard in
> the enlightenment literature.
>
>When I had relatives,
> > friends or patients who were dying, in pain and suffering, I
> > suffered as well.  I felt pain.  That is the nature of empathy.
> > And most I know who are dying make a peace with it and there
> > is a serenity with the pain and suffering.  But there is still
> > pain and suffering and sometimes it overwhelms.
>
> Not sure what your point is here. Theoretically, in
> enlightenment, the pain would never overwhelm (or
> "overshadow") the bliss and serenity.

So says the pitch.   My point is that suffering is part of life and
hopefully  you make your peace.   You don't need enlightenment or TM to
do so.For years I worked with people who were in pain and suffering
as I worked for a cancer clinic.  My patients  suffered and most,
whether they survived their cancer or were terminal,  found peace none
the less.  TM not required.  And I have never ever ever met a meditator
who appears to have gone beyond suffering.   I know several long term
Sidhas, most of whom only irregularly practice their program and can be
described as ordinary people living ordinary lives.  But two of them are
such TBs that I cannot have a coherent conversation with them but they
do seem to be very flat in their emotional responses to others.  "Oh mom
died?  I have to get back to Mother Divine."" Don't tell me anything
bad, I don't want to hear."   Neither have managed to hold down a job
for years. (Though they may have ended up that way even without TM, who
knows.)  For them, their world revolves around their own enlightenment
and they lost something in the process.

As far as your own suffering decreasing over time, it may be just the
wisdom of experience and the passage of years.Again, who knows.
> > > 
> > > > The greatest flaw of MMY appears to me to be his
> > > > lack of empathy.
> > >
> > > He spent his entire adult life attempting to show
> > > people how to live their lives in fullness without
> > > being overshadowed by its necessary pain, and he
> > > lacks empathy??
> >
> > Yes, I stand by my statement.  If I have some time, I will
> > discuss this more later.  But folks, I sure would love to
> > see some quotes from him that illustrate empathy.  I sure
> > would love to see some quotes where he expresses sadness or
> > expresses sympathy for the suffering of others.
>
> Before I spend the time to dig some up, do you require
> these quotes to be about individuals, or can they be more
> general statements about human suffering?

As both Curtis and I have said, expressions about human suffering say
nothing about his empathy.  How did he treat those around him?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Vaj]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:23 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote:

> 
>>
>> Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if the
>> person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it
>> leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by
>> unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of ego
>> story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, that
>> such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires.
>
> For all the talk about how enlightened people are living some
> different ego reality, I gotta say, I see no evidence that they are
> functioning in a fundamentally different way than the rest of us.
> Maharishi is the single most egotistical person I have ever met. But
> other than that he acted like any other big business type guy I have
> met with a big ego to match his big agenda.  Trying to distinguish his
> ego state from Donald Trump's seems like a stretch for me.

Well, it's nice to know someone else's on the same page!

>
>
> Without adding the clinical understanding of depersonalization to the
> understanding of these experiences people are just left to interpret
> them for themselves.
>
> And no
>> it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely normal
>> state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes  
>> normal.
>
> The state of enlightenment that Maharishi was pitching included
> magical powers.  Calling the ability to fly normal is a misuse of the
> word.  As far as the internal experience that may be true because I
> think it is very likely that many or even most people who describe
> themselves as enlightened just have a more dramatic way of describing
> states of awareness the rest of us take for granted.

Or, as is more traditionally claimed, they had a meditative experience  
that's unusual in that it shifts the way we see things, and they take  
the new shift--the grass that was greener, now fenced in by "you"--as  
enlightenment. Really it's just one of many, many realizations on the  
road. Keep moving, there's nothing to see here.

[FairfieldLife] Good analysis of Hillary's campaign

[Sal Sunshine]

"But while we may all wish that our groundbreaking leaders came in  
prettier packages, and that high butterfat cheese was good for us,  
the reality is that we get what we get. And we got Hillary Clinton.  
In no small part, we probably got her thanks to the very reasons so  
many can't abide her: her ambition, her ruthlessness, her gift for  
triangulation, her marriage, her centrism, her hawkishness. It's an  
exceedingly uncommon alchemy; in more than two centuries of American  
history, no woman has been able to break into the presidential boys  
club, and I can't think of many women of sterling liberal character  
who would have succeeded where she failed to satisfy all feminists.  
Wake me when Barbara Ehrenreich can win Ohio, you know?
Like it or not, Hillary Rodham Clinton was the first female battering  
ram to rattle the Oval Office door, and while sorrowful Hillary-heads  
may lyrically and lovingly catalog her many achievements, her bravery  
and grace, I'd prefer to think of her as she actually has been: a  
pain in the ass to support, an often inept and ungainly campaigner.  
She was ill-behaved, she made mistakes, and waged an often dirty and  
tone-deaf campaign, performing precious few electoral pirouettes. But  
she also pulverized any quaint notions of what presidential races are  
supposed to look like and how girls might compete in them.


Language fails us when we say that Clinton "ran for president."  
Hillary Clinton didn't just run for president. She hustled and jumped  
and slogged and cried and ate and drank and didn't sleep and put up  
with her nutty underminer of a husband for president. She lit  
herself, and everything around her, on fire for president.


Clinton behaved with the kind of naked drive and aggression and  
mercilessness we revere in, for example, football greats, wrestling  
stars and military heroes. Her political ambition and ruthlessness  
are qualities native to anyone putting themselves up for the job of  
running the country. That includes Barack Obama, who is an inspiring  
leader I fervently hope will be our next president, but who is not,  
despite what some of his supporters seem to believe, built entirely  
of altruism and hope and, I don't know, puppies. One of the great  
things about our history of ambivalence and resentment toward Clinton  
was the almost sweet relief we could take in knowing from the start  
that her raw will to power was going to grate on and enrage us.


And, yes, it's terrific that generations of little girls will grow up  
knowing that women can run for president. But count me as gratified  
that those who do so will also know they are not responsible for  
bearing the highest expectations for their gender's morality and  
politesse, because one hell of a difficult dame has been there before  
them and knocked everybody around pretty hard."


http://tinyurl.com/4l9mtf

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Angela Mailander]

You are right on guys, back in the 70s I wrote a poem about that experience 
when I was still head over heels in love with my own experiences: "Woke up this 
morning/couldn't re-/member who I was or where/but then things stiffened, 
reporting for duty..."  Too bad I didn't have you to advise me and manage a 
guru business, Bhairitu. I'd been meditating thirty years by then.

I'm more or less back, but I still won't be able to read any but a very few 
posts.  My show at the gallery was, I hear, a huge success, lots of stuff sold, 
and the gallery wants me to get ready for a bigger show in July.  My studio is 
barely set up, and, here I don't know where to buy paint yet. 





--- On Sun, 8/6/08, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, 8 June, 2008, 3:38 PM
> Ah but there's money in this.  You write a book start a
> movement or 
> cult.  Have workshops.  Be on TV.  You're missing the
> boat Curtis.  You 
> should start an "Awakening Through the Blues"
> program.  Write a book, 
> sell videos and music, start a cult.  Be rich.  After all
> life is about 
> money isn't it?  ;-)
> curtisdeltablues wrote:
> > I think this glorification of the experience of
> depersonalization is
> > really misguided.  There is a lot of information about
> this state in
> > modern psychology that needs to be integrated into
> more traditional
> > understandings of these experiences.  Just because she
> enjoyed this
> > transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good
> thing. I found this
> > account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences
> like it but would
> > never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com 

[FairfieldLife] More students learn TM in SF schools

[bob_brigante]

"The principal has been so inspired by the effects in his school that
through his inspiration there are now two other schools in the San
Francisco Bay area with a total of 1,200 students who will be learning
Transcendental Meditation in the Fall along with teachers, parents, and
administrators.

(more)

http://www.globalgoodnews.com/education-news-a.html?art=1212771518244277\
59

RE: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[Rick Archer]

 

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 3:51 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday
Night)

 

Rick, given the fact that Judy has been
reminded of her total number of posts 
several times today, is this or is this 
not a flagrant violation of the posting 
limits?

Your call, of course.

Bhairtu's post counting thingy is now the official determiner of post
totals. Next time he posts it, if Judy or anyone is over the limit, even by
one, I'll suspend them for a week (or more if it's a repeated offense). No
one has an excuse for accidentally overposting now. Bhairtu's tally makes
the totals very clear to all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > There's something distasteful about pidgeonholing
> > someone for their 
> > alleged sexual persuasion.  In this case, it's about
> > someone who is not 
> > only obviously heterosexual but probably doesn't use
> > one calory of 
> > energy worrying whether people think he's gay or
> > not.
> > 
> > Be that as it may, there's someone on this forum who
> > insists on 
> > declaring, as he does from time to time, that I
> > frequent prostitutes.  
> > I actually find the idea amusing that I would and,
> > perhaps, the idea in 
> > his head started because I even said something to
> > that effect on this 
> > or another forum once.
> > 
> > But like the "Barry is gay" proposition, there is
> > something distasteful 
> > about trying to pidegeonhole someone on this.
> > 
> > So, I will take my inspiration from the King of
> > Denmark during WWII who 
> > donned the Star of David when the occupying Nazis
> > ordered all Jews to 
> > wear them, declaring: "All Danes are equal". 
> > Denmark had one of the 
> > lowest rates of Jews being sent to concentration
> > camps as a result.
> > 
> > I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes
> > whenever I can!
> 
> Shemp, thanks for last night, but you still owe me
> $20.00 for that extra thing I did.


Sucker.

Get your money up front.






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[FairfieldLife] Translating Sanskrit: the Mullquistian view

[cardemaister]

B. Mullquist is an infamous Assistent of Elastics and
dilettante linguist from Scandinavia, North of Europe.

What little s/he knows of Sanskrit, is almost totally
self-taught, or stuff.

S/he is a lousy writer even in hir strange, "stone-agey"
Uralic language, let alone in foreign languages, including
Sanskrit. But s/he has some ability to analyze linguistic
structures provided they are not all too complicated.

It's a well known fact, that complication is a left brain
thang, and in Mullquist's case the left brain is notoriously
unded-developed, which is reflected in their bodily features,
including  organs that are somewhat sloped, or whatever,
to the right.

As to translating Sanskrit, Mullquist thinks that one of  the most
confusing things in (classical) Sanskrit is the gone-out-of-hands(?)
use of longish or even very long compound words.

As an example, lacking a better one, let's think about the English
compound 'skyscraper'. That's a compound of only two components, but
if one doesn't know what is the referent of it, it seems rather
unlikely, that one could find out its meaning by trying to figger
out a possible - to use Chomskian terminology - syntactic deep 
structure behind or "under" it. Roughly speakint that would mean
figgering out what phrase that compound represents, or stuff.

For instance, one could ponder whether the relationship between
the components is adverbial: is it a scraper that's in(?) the sky?
Or does the first component represent an object: is it a scraper
that scrapes the sky?

It should be rather easy to understand that when a compound 
has, say, five components, the possibilities of various syntactic
relations between them are rather copious.

Lets take an example from YS and Bhoja's commentary on it.
The first sentence of teh last suutra goes like this:

puruSaarthashuunyaanaam guNaanaaM pratiprasavaH kaivalyam...

The first compound contains three components: puruSa-artha-shuuNya.
Word for word that could be translated for instance to

puruSa-object-empty

In a compound, the only hint of the syntactic relations between
the components is the word order. The words, save the last one,
usually are in the stem form that doesn't contain any information
of the grammatical inflectional case it represents. In this 
case the relationship between the components seems to be one, which
in English grammar prolly would be called possessive. To use
Taimni's translation: devoid of the object of the puruSa. 

Bhoja's comment on that suutra starts like this:

samaaptabhogaapavargalakSaNapuruSaarthaanaaM guNaanaaM

Thus, it seems like Bhoja has expanded tha first compound fo 
three components to one of six components:

samaapta-bhoga-apavarga-lakSaNa-puruSa-artha

What can we say but: Hard Rock Hallelujah! ; )

(Didn't bother to correct some typos...)

[FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
>  
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > > Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make
> > > > > > stuff up, people might actually believe what you say once
> > > > > > in a while. :)
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
> > > > > Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
> > > > > STOOOPID liar.
> > > > 
> > > > Probably about the same time you did, Judy. :)
> > > 
> > > No, Sal, I don't lie.
> > 
> > You do, however, feel free to exceed the 
> > posting limit any time you feel like it.
> > 
> > That's 51, according to Yahoo.
> > 
> > Rick, given the fact that Judy has been
> > reminded of her total number of posts 
> > several times today, is this or is this 
> > not a flagrant violation of the posting 
> > limits?
> > 
> > Your call, of course.
>
> why do I see you as the little whiney kid in school, ratting out 
> someone else? Much like you accused the poster earlier this week 
> of doing wrt MMY's secret teaching (and you jumped all over 
> them...)? Suck it up, dude.

Jim, in all seriousness, is this how you
convince people that you are enlightened?

And, as long as I'm asking questions, here's
the one you're melting down in public over:

How do you know how heaven is decorated?

You made the claim, dude. According to you, 
AN ENLIGHTENED BEING made that claim. 

Seems to me if you fail to back it up, you
are convincing the readers of Fairfield Life 
that you're an enlightened pussy.

[FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make
> > > > > stuff up, people might actually believe what you say once
> > > > > in a while. :)
> > > >
> > > > I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
> > > > Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
> > > > STOOOPID liar.
> > > 
> > > Probably about the same time you did, Judy. :)
> > 
> > No, Sal, I don't lie.
> 
> You do, however, feel free to exceed the 
> posting limit any time you feel like it.
> 
> That's 51, according to Yahoo.
> 
> Rick, given the fact that Judy has been
> reminded of her total number of posts 
> several times today, is this or is this 
> not a flagrant violation of the posting 
> limits?
> 
> Your call, of course.
>
why do I see you as the little whiney kid in school, ratting out 
someone else? Much like you accused the poster earlier this week of 
doing wrt MMY's secret teaching (and you jumped all over them...)? 
Suck it up, dude.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Jim, is your internal experience the same as Byron Katie's?  

Most of the time, being a very active person, I must maintain just 
enough of a veneer of context in order to operate efficiently. When 
I am not actively engaged, all of the context just falls away on its 
own, and I can explore different relationships to objects, anything 
from complete dissolution or different contexts, and different 
energy releationships. Lots of fluidity. Most of the time there is 
just enough thought to maintain momentum- no more and no less. None 
of those horrid layered stories!

Does 
> that description match yours entirely or is it different in some 
> fashion?
> 
> And, Peter, if you're reading this, is this your experience of 
> awakening?
> 
> For anyone else, does this sound familiar?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Marek
> 
> **
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think this glorification of the experience of 
> depersonalization is
> > > really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this 
> state in
> > > modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more 
> traditional
> > > understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed 
> this
> > > transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I 
found 
> this
> > > account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but 
> would
> > > never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  
> > > 
> > 
> > Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if 
> the 
> > person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, 
it 
> > leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by 
> > unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of 
> ego 
> > story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, 
> that 
> > such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires. 
And 
> no 
> > it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely 
> normal 
> > state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes 
> normal.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Over the limit? (was Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > > Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make
> > > > stuff up, people might actually believe what you say once
> > > > in a while. :)
> > >
> > > I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
> > > Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
> > > STOOOPID liar.
> > 
> > Probably about the same time you did, Judy. :)
> 
> No, Sal, I don't lie.

You do, however, feel free to exceed the 
posting limit any time you feel like it.

That's 51, according to Yahoo.

Rick, given the fact that Judy has been
reminded of her total number of posts 
several times today, is this or is this 
not a flagrant violation of the posting 
limits?

Your call, of course.

Re: [FairfieldLife] [was Re: It's a great day for finding dumb stuff on the Internet] Barry's gay

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 3:45 PM, sandiego108 wrote:


You still haven't admitted that you are gay, Barry.


Why should he "admit" something that's clearly not the case?

Medication time, Jim.

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > I think this glorification of the experience of 
depersonalization 
> > > is really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this 
> > > state in modern psychology that needs to be integrated into 
more 
> > > traditional understandings of these experiences.  Just because 
> > > she enjoyed this transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a 
> > > good thing. I found this account somewhat alarming.  I have 
had 
> > > experiences like it but would never seek them as a goal for my 
> > > awareness again.  
> > 
> > Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And 
> > if the person it is occuring to has this experience poorly 
> > integrated, it leads to madness; like dropping acid or 
something. 
> > It is only by unwinding any aort of template of experience, of 
> > camparison, of ego story, and living complete skill in action 
> > as  Byron Katie does, that such a state lives up to its promised 
> > fulfillment of desires. 
> 
> Does it fuck up your spelling, though? I've 
> noticed 3 or 4 spelling errors in your last 
> two posts. This isn't one of those "poorly 
> integrated" things you are talking about, 
> is it?  :-)

kepp a tight ass Barry-- now soemthing else for you to become 
compilsive abuot!

Re: [FairfieldLife] I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[Peter]

--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> There's something distasteful about pidgeonholing
> someone for their 
> alleged sexual persuasion.  In this case, it's about
> someone who is not 
> only obviously heterosexual but probably doesn't use
> one calory of 
> energy worrying whether people think he's gay or
> not.
> 
> Be that as it may, there's someone on this forum who
> insists on 
> declaring, as he does from time to time, that I
> frequent prostitutes.  
> I actually find the idea amusing that I would and,
> perhaps, the idea in 
> his head started because I even said something to
> that effect on this 
> or another forum once.
> 
> But like the "Barry is gay" proposition, there is
> something distasteful 
> about trying to pidegeonhole someone on this.
> 
> So, I will take my inspiration from the King of
> Denmark during WWII who 
> donned the Star of David when the occupying Nazis
> ordered all Jews to 
> wear them, declaring: "All Danes are equal". 
> Denmark had one of the 
> lowest rates of Jews being sent to concentration
> camps as a result.
> 
> I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes
> whenever I can!

Shemp, thanks for last night, but you still owe me
$20.00 for that extra thing I did.




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[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine  
> wrote:
> >
> > On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:15 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > 
> > > Do you get the concept of how to ask questions
> > > now, Jim? I hope so, because here again is the
> > > question you have been dodging:
> > >
> > > How do you know how heaven is decorated?
> > 
> > Because he was the decorator?
>  
> Are you implying he is gay too?
> 
> OffWorld
>
Barry is just jealous of heaven's decorator-- typical bitchy 
attitude for a gay guy into interior decorating.

[FairfieldLife] [was Re: It's a great day for finding dumb stuff on the Internet] Barry's gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know that Jim's "I know how heaven is decorated"
> comment and the demonstration of Enlightened Gay-
> Baiting are hard to top, but here are a couple more:
> 
> Abstinence pants from K-mart, because 
> chastity belts are so 17th century:
> http://tinyurl.com/56nmby
> 
> 10 Wonderful Websites with Which to 
> Waste Time at Work:
> http://tinyurl.com/6n7sdn
>
You still haven't admitted that you are gay, Barry.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Bhairitu]

Ah but there's money in this.  You write a book start a movement or 
cult.  Have workshops.  Be on TV.  You're missing the boat Curtis.  You 
should start an "Awakening Through the Blues" program.  Write a book, 
sell videos and music, start a cult.  Be rich.  After all life is about 
money isn't it?  ;-)
curtisdeltablues wrote:
> I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is
> really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this state in
> modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional
> understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed this
> transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this
> account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but would
> never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:15 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> > Do you get the concept of how to ask questions
> > now, Jim? I hope so, because here again is the
> > question you have been dodging:
> >
> > How do you know how heaven is decorated?
> 
> Because he was the decorator?
 
Are you implying he is gay too?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes whenever I can!>>

I guess that's how you know Ted Haggard?

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> 
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote:


> 
> >> Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make
> >> stuff up, people might actually believe what you say once
> >> in a while. :)
> >
> > I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
> > Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
> > STOOOPID liar.
> 
> Probably about the same time you did, Judy. :)

No, Sal, I don't lie.

[FairfieldLife] Important updates at JeffreyNCook.com...

[Jeffrey N Cook]

All,
 
Just thought I'd let you each know that this will be the last post I am 
making to this group specifically regarding web updates at 
www.jeffreyncook.com, as there is now a newsletter / forum for people 
interested that anyone can sign up to.  I will still particpate in this 
group, as I love to read and hear all that's going on, but will simply 
not leave any web updates of my site here.
 
Also, there are some other important updates involving the products and 
other things at the site.  To view and link to these updates, just go 
to www.jeffreyncook.com, scroll to the bottom of the homepage and click 
on NEW UPDATES.
 
Thanks all for your interest.
 
Jeff Cook

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Israeli Saber Rattling on Iran

[Bhairitu]

shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, vlodrop108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> This "quote" is a hoax. Dr King would never defend racism and 
>> 
> religism.
>   
>
>
>
> Thanks for the clarification, vlodrop108.
>
> I also note in the first link you provided that what King actually 
> said was just as powerful in its message:
>
> "When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-
> Semitism."
>   
Not necessarily, not all Jews, in fact only a minority are Zionists.  
Zionists are zealots just like fundamentalist Christian zealots.  There 
are Zionists that are fundamentalist Christians too.  To be anti-Zionist 
is to be against a right wing fundamentalist movement and not in any way 
anti Jewish.  There are many Jews who despise the Zionists.  There are 
many Jews who do not support AIPAC too.

IMHO, it was just foolish looking for trouble to set up the state of 
Israel in the hot bed of the Middle East some 60 years ago just because 
some fanatical Jews thought that the land was sacred.  That was of 
course an excuse to make an incursion into that oil rich area so that 
some day there could be a conquest of those lands.  Prior to that time 
Jews and Palestinians lived in harmony in that area.  Now there is an 
apartheid.  Why should we support a country with apartheid when we 
didn't support it in South Africa?  Why should we spend billions of US 
taxpayer dollars to support Israel when our own infrastructure could 
badly use that money?  We know that Shemp doesn't like paying extra 
taxes but apparently it's okay if it goes to Israel or some other war 
mongering activity such as the conquest of Iraq.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> > > 
> > > Seeing all people as "suffering" is really a shallow
> > > understanding on the human condition IMO.
> > 
> > Well, it's certainly been a popular one with
> > folks who are generally held to have been
> > exceptionally wise--Jesus and Buddha, just for
> > two examples.
> 
> I agree with your Buddha point from what I have read.  His
> first tenant is that life is suffering, right?

(Tenet, not tenant. Common mistake.) Yes.

  I don't have enough
> information about his life to have an opinion about his wisdom.
> I do disagree with that first premise completely. Life is not 
> suffering just because pleasure is transitory.

There are definitional issues involved. The ending
of some happiness or pleasure is included in what
is meant by "suffering" in this context. You were
happy, you were enjoying some pleasure, now you're
not. That not-happiness, that not-enjoyment is
suffering in this view. It doesn't just mean
terrible physical or mental anguish; it's much
broader than that.

> I don't associate Jesus's message as being the same at all.

It's phrased somewhat differently, but it's the
same idea:

"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth,
where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break
in and steal."

Again, it's impermanence that leads to suffering. You
have these treasures, which bring you happiness, but
then something happens, they deteriorate or are taken
from you, and that happiness ceases. Can even refer to
relationships: You have a wonderful loving relationship,
but then the person becomes ill and dies, or meets
somebody else and falls in love with them, or whatever.

For Jesus the alternative was storing your treasures
in heaven (whatever he meant by "heaven"), where moth
and rust don't destroy and thieves don't break in
and steal. It's parallel to Buddha's Nirvana.

Jesus added, "For where your treasure is, there will
your heart be also." If what you value isn't
transitory, your happiness will be permanent; you
will not suffer. The implication is, to me, that
this state can be achieved during life.

For Buddha the solution was nonattachment to the
impermanent things of life. Pivoting to MMY's
teaching, nonattachment is when one is identified
with Self--which is permanent and unchanging--
rather than self, which is transitory.

It's really all the same basic idea. Obviously,
you're less likely to *recognize* that life is
suffering if you happen to be fortunate in your
career, your relationships, your resources, your
physical and mental health.

But any or even all of these could be taken from
you at any time. If that were to happen, would you
remain entirely undisturbed? Would your level of
happiness change?

> Our lives represent the counter evidence to the claim that
> life is suffering.  Given our head start in this world we
> would have to really work at it to make our life a state of
> suffering IMO.

Gee, I could be hit by a car when I go out later to
get some milk at the 7-Eleven. I could have a seizure
and be diagnosed with a fatal brain tumor like Ted
Kennedy. My SO could leave me. Any number of things
could happen that would turn my relatively comfortable
life into a mess.

> Maharishi's claim that life is bliss (once you have taken all
> his courses and reach his goal state) also misses the mark for
> me.  It is the mixture of bliss and suffering that defines
> what I consider life to be.  And each polarity has its different 
> gifts to make our life richer.

See, as I understand it, in enlightenment those gifts,
that richness, not only doesn't go away, it's vastly
intensified: the bliss is both polarities combined.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:39 PM, authfriend wrote:


Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make stuff up,
people might actually believe what you say once in a while. :)



I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
STOOOPID liar.


Probably about the same time you did, Judy. :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening => Jim Dreaver, *TM*

[amarnath]

forgot to mention that Jim Dreaver and quite a few other advaita
teachers, that I came across in my readings,
have done TM as well as many other practices on their long spiritual
journeys

but, interestingly enough, all have moved on to a more down-to-earth,
more natural way of being and functioning.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "amarnath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" feste37@ wrote:
> >
> > Yes, it's all in how you handle it. Byron Katie is a down-to-earth,
> > common sense, no nonsense type of woman who has integrated this
> > experience into her understanding of life. I think her books and
> > workshops help a lot of people. She was in Fairfield some years
back,
> > in about September or October 1999.
> > >>>
>
> another very down-to-earth, etc example is Jim Dreaver.
>
> unlike Katie and Tolle whose awakening was a one day-permanent deal,
> it took Dreaver 20 years to get there finally; very interesting story.
>
> his teachings, new eBook "End Your Story, Begin Your Life,"
> seem like a synopsis of Tolle's, and the like, but it's also obvious
> that they are from his own experiences over a twenty year period.
> definitely worth a read.
>
> http://www.jimdreaver.com/
>
> http://www.endyourstory.com/
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening => Jim Dreaver

[amarnath]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, it's all in how you handle it. Byron Katie is a down-to-earth,
> common sense, no nonsense type of woman who has integrated this
> experience into her understanding of life. I think her books and
> workshops help a lot of people. She was in Fairfield some years back,
> in about September or October 1999. 
> >>>

another very down-to-earth, etc example is Jim Dreaver.

unlike Katie and Tolle whose awakening was a one day-permanent deal,
it took Dreaver 20 years to get there finally; very interesting story.

his teachings, new eBook "End Your Story, Begin Your Life," 
seem like a synopsis of Tolle's, and the like, but it's also obvious
that they are from his own experiences over a twenty year period.
definitely worth a read.

http://www.jimdreaver.com/

http://www.endyourstory.com/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[feste37]

Yes, it's all in how you handle it. Byron Katie is a down-to-earth,
common sense, no nonsense type of woman who has integrated this
experience into her understanding of life. I think her books and
workshops help a lot of people. She was in Fairfield some years back,
in about September or October 1999. 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is
> > really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this state in
> > modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional
> > understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed this
> > transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this
> > account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but would
> > never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  
> > 
> 
> Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if the 
> person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it 
> leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by 
> unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of ego 
> story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, that 
> such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires. And no 
> it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely normal 
> state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes normal.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[curtisdeltablues]

> 
> Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if the 
> person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it 
> leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by 
> unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of ego 
> story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, that 
> such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires.

For all the talk about how enlightened people are living some
different ego reality, I gotta say, I see no evidence that they are
functioning in a fundamentally different way than the rest of us.
Maharishi is the single most egotistical person I have ever met. But
other than that he acted like any other big business type guy I have
met with a big ego to match his big agenda.  Trying to distinguish his
ego state from Donald Trump's seems like a stretch for me. 

Without adding the clinical understanding of depersonalization to the
understanding of these experiences people are just left to interpret
them for themselves. 

 And no 
> it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely normal 
> state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes normal.

The state of enlightenment that Maharishi was pitching included
magical powers.  Calling the ability to fly normal is a misuse of the
word.  As far as the internal experience that may be true because I
think it is very likely that many or even most people who describe
themselves as enlightened just have a more dramatic way of describing
states of awareness the rest of us take for granted.


>

[FairfieldLife] I am gay and I frequent prostitutes

[shempmcgurk]

There's something distasteful about pidgeonholing someone for their 
alleged sexual persuasion.  In this case, it's about someone who is not 
only obviously heterosexual but probably doesn't use one calory of 
energy worrying whether people think he's gay or not.

Be that as it may, there's someone on this forum who insists on 
declaring, as he does from time to time, that I frequent prostitutes.  
I actually find the idea amusing that I would and, perhaps, the idea in 
his head started because I even said something to that effect on this 
or another forum once.

But like the "Barry is gay" proposition, there is something distasteful 
about trying to pidegeonhole someone on this.

So, I will take my inspiration from the King of Denmark during WWII who 
donned the Star of David when the occupying Nazis ordered all Jews to 
wear them, declaring: "All Danes are equal".  Denmark had one of the 
lowest rates of Jews being sent to concentration camps as a result.

I, too, am gay and, yes, I go to prostitutes whenever I can!

[FairfieldLife] It's a great day for finding dumb stuff on the Internet

[TurquoiseB]

I know that Jim's "I know how heaven is decorated"
comment and the demonstration of Enlightened Gay-
Baiting are hard to top, but here are a couple more:

Abstinence pants from K-mart, because 
chastity belts are so 17th century:
http://tinyurl.com/56nmby

10 Wonderful Websites with Which to 
Waste Time at Work:
http://tinyurl.com/6n7sdn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 1:15 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:


Do you get the concept of how to ask questions
now, Jim? I hope so, because here again is the
question you have been dodging:

How do you know how heaven is decorated?


Because he was the decorator?

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[Marek Reavis]

Jim, is your internal experience the same as Byron Katie's?  Does 
that description match yours entirely or is it different in some 
fashion?

And, Peter, if you're reading this, is this your experience of 
awakening?

For anyone else, does this sound familiar?

Thanks in advance,

Marek

**

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think this glorification of the experience of 
depersonalization is
> > really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this 
state in
> > modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more 
traditional
> > understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed 
this
> > transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found 
this
> > account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but 
would
> > never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  
> > 
> 
> Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if 
the 
> person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it 
> leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by 
> unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of 
ego 
> story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, 
that 
> such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires. And 
no 
> it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely 
normal 
> state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes 
normal.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 11:41 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > You know, Sal, it's such common knowledge that
> > this is accepted practice that examples usually
> > aren't given. But I've seen two mentioned in
> > the current campaign: Clinton helped Vilsack
> > retire his campaign debt, and McCain helped
> > Brownback retire his.
> 
> Apples and oranges, Judy,  as you're well aware.  From the
> first article:
> 
> "Still, there is precedent for winners to help losers. Clinton's  
> donors helped former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack pay off his
> presidential campaign debt. Sen. John McCain's supporters helped
> Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) pay his debt, though it was in the
> tens of thousands, not tens of millions."
> 
> Tens of thousands--hardly the same situation.  And notice the 
> article says "there is precedent," not that it's accepted or
> even common practice.

> Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make stuff up,
> people might actually believe what you say once in a while. :)

Also from the first article:

"The ultimate winner often helps the penultimate winner repay
debt," said Chris Lehane, a former Clinton White House aide,
who is not part of Sen. Clinton's campaign.

>From the second article:

It's not unusual for a winner to help a vanquished rival retire 
campaign debts.

>From the third article:

A winning candidate often offers to do whatever is legal to help
a loser pay down debts.

>From the fourth article:

"It's not atypical for a winning candidate to assist financially
in relieving some of the opposing campaign's debt," said Anthony 
Corrado, a campaign-finance expert at Colby College in Maine who
is not affiliated with a campaign. "I would expect Sen. Obama to
extend support."

I don't know when or why you decided to become a liar,
Sal, but you've become a REEELY RLY
STOOOPID liar.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > 
> > Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
> > good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 
> > 
> > [snip]
> >
> Which is precisely why you are not, Mr. Know-It-All.


Bizarre...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
>  wrote:
> >
> > I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization 
> > is really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this 
> > state in modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more 
> > traditional understandings of these experiences.  Just because 
> > she enjoyed this transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a 
> > good thing. I found this account somewhat alarming.  I have had 
> > experiences like it but would never seek them as a goal for my 
> > awareness again.  
> 
> Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And 
> if the person it is occuring to has this experience poorly 
> integrated, it leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. 
> It is only by unwinding any aort of template of experience, of 
> camparison, of ego story, and living complete skill in action 
> as  Byron Katie does, that such a state lives up to its promised 
> fulfillment of desires. 

Does it fuck up your spelling, though? I've 
noticed 3 or 4 spelling errors in your last 
two posts. This isn't one of those "poorly 
integrated" things you are talking about, 
is it?  :-)

> And no it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely 
> normal state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and 
> potatoes normal.

Uh-huh. That's why you told us you know how
heaven is decorated. That's pretty meat and
potatoes...not super normal at all.  :-)

How DO you know how heaven is decorated, Jim?

It's not a "meat and potatoes" THEME, is it?
Coffee tables that look like steaks, poofy 
beanbag chairs that look like dollops of 
mashed potatoes, that sorta thing? I don't 
remember any of that in Seelisberg.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108"  
> wrote:
> 
> > 5. His decades long anger at Judy S., a woman he feels deep
> > resentment towards. Not that she posts anything different
> > than a lot of guys here, but she is a woman...Perhaps his
> > attempts to make Judy his confidante, his "fag hag" failed
> > long ago, and he cannot forgive her for it?
> 
> Jim, I don't appreciate being used as an accessory in
> an attempt to insult someone by accusing them of being
> gay.>>

Saying someone is gay is not an accusation -- unless the listener has 
prejudice themselves. 

It is like when Vaj was all up in arms because I pointed out that Shemp 
was Jewish. He assumed there is something wrong with being Jewish and 
calling someone Jewish is an attack. It is not. Some ofm y best friends 
are Jewish, some are even Jewish and gay. 
There is no more wrong than in calling a woman and woman, a Scot a 
Scot, and a Limey a Limey. There is no accusation, unless you thinnk 
gays are inferior. I did not see that written in SanDiego's post. 

However, looking at the pics of Barry a while back, he did seem to have 
an air of that about him. Nothing wrong with that Barry, you are what 
you are. Enjoy.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
> wrote:
> > > > But that could just be me. After all, I'm 
> > > > not enlightened.
> > > 
> > > or heterosexual apparently...
> > 
> > I'm still wondering why you're dodging a 
> > question that it should be right up your
> > *alley* to answer. 
> > 
> > How do you know how heaven is decorated?
> > 
> > You *said* that you were on this forum
> > to share your experiences of enlightenment,
> > right? Well, the explanation of how you 
> > know how heaven is decorated sounds like 
> > quite a story to me. 
> > 
> > I would think you'd want to tell it. You
> > know, to inspire us that enlightenment 
> > isn't all elitist and rare the way that 
> > some portray it, and that it can happen 
> > to everyday guys like yourself. 
> > 
> > Heck, it's almost your DUTY to tell us how 
> > you know what heaven looks like. If you
> > don't, it kinda looks as if you know and
> > are holding out on us. And wouldn't that
> > be a bit elitist?
> 
> Nah, I'm doin' the eletist thang Barry- you wouldn't 
> understand it if I told you. Hey, you haven't admitted 
> you are gay yet, either. How 'bout it? Fess up.

You still haven't quite gotten the concept
of "question" down, Jim. You make pronounce-
ments and then expect me to address them, as
if I should. Here, I'll show you how asking
a question works:

Are you gay, Barry?

See how simple that was, and how many fewer
words it took than your pronouncements? And
now, having asked it for you, I'll even 
answer.

Nope. Never swung that way. Threesomes,
yeah, but it was always me and two women,
and that was (sadly) only a couple of times.
And even though it shames me as a product of 
the Sixties to admit it, I not attended even 
one orgy. I'm a discredit to my generation.

Do you get the concept of how to ask questions
now, Jim? I hope so, because here again is the 
question you have been dodging:

How do you know how heaven is decorated?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is
> really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this state in
> modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional
> understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed this
> transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this
> account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but would
> never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  
> 

Yep the ego will always find such an experience alarming. And if the 
person it is occuring to has this experience poorly integrated, it 
leads to madness; like dropping acid or something. It is only by 
unwinding any aort of template of experience, of camparison, of ego 
story, and living complete skill in action as  Byron Katie does, that 
such a state lives up to its promised fulfillment of desires. And no 
it shouldn't be glorified, for enlightenment is a completely normal 
state of life. Not super normal-- just plain meat and potatoes normal.

[FairfieldLife] I love Shempgurkin ------- was///Re: ATTENTION willytex!

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> > 
> > 
> > Hi Shemp, I don't know what this particular thread is about, but 
> > anyways, apart from that, someone from wayback when (I forget 
who), 
> > said you are an AWOL, draft dodger from the sixties, living in 
> > Canada, and of the beautiful, mysterious, and romantic Semitic 
> > nomadic origins, the Sons of Abraham, who is now living in 
Canada, 
> > and is now a ChickenHawk Warmonger. I have nothing against any of 
> > that, I just find it a fascinating and wonderfully colorful 
> > combination, and I admire such exuberant existence.
> > 
> > Which, if any, of these descriptions is true of you, our favorite 
> > Kanuk on these boards? C'mon, spill the beans, let us know your 
> > story, rather than these fanciful rumors. It will be a rich 
> > fertilizer on the barren soil of FFL.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> 
> 


> After YOUR various remarks about Judaism and myself>>

Liar liar, pants on fire. 
No-one has said anything negative about Judaism. 
(unless you mean the time I said that all those patriarchal retarded 
desert tribal religions - Judaism, Xtianity, Islam, etc. - need to go 
back to where they came from and just keep shouting at each other in 
the desert, like the nutcases they are. 
The rest of us will get on with nourishing humanity.


< I wouldn't dream 
> of confirming what religion I am to you.>>


Well I concede you may not be Jewish because you don't have a sense 
of humor. 

However, I liked how, by your lack of silence, you confirmed the 
other aspects of your colorful and disparate history that I outlined 
as a possible explanation for your overly-intense warmongering and 
interest in American politicians from an armchair in Canada.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cool links from my brother

[curtisdeltablues]

Great links.  I saw a special on the guy who does the sidewalk
paintings.  They only appear that 3-D through the lens of a camera. 
that is why the picture looks so impressive, it works as a picture
focused by the lens but not in person.  He has to keep checking
through the lens of the camera as he paints.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> He's a nerd, like me, and when a project he's been
> working on ends, as one just did, he "decompresses"
> for a day or so by surfing the Net and sending me
> just the coolest links to interesting stuff. Here
> are some of them, passed along for your enjoyment.
> They're all funny or interesting, but the last 3
> are the best IMO. 
> 
> Defining precarious
> http://www.upcool.com/amazing/House_On_The_Rocks
> 
> Bird hitchhiking on bird. Who knew?
>
http://www.vineritriskaideka.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/freeridebirdhawk.jpg
> 
> Japanese rice farmer-artists. Or artist-farmers. 
> I mean, if what you do for a living is grow rice, 
> why not grow it really well? 
> http://www.funforever.net/archives/rice-field-art/
> 
> Nature has a message for us.
> http://i30.tinypic.com/33o1507.jpg
> 
> 3D street paintings
> http://funtasticus.com/20080606/cool-3d-paintings-on-the-streets/
> 
> The Dutch concept of camouflage
> http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/TankGSTVwallpapert.JPG
> 
> Bush's plan in 2000 to bring gas prices down
> http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062800wh-bush.html
> 
> The only valid measurement of source code quality
>
http://blog.pengoworks.com/enclosures/wtfm_cf7237e5-a580-4e22-a42a-f8597dd6c60b.jpg
> 
> White South African passenger challenges BA over 
> her seat next to a black man. BA responds. 
> http://www.myistop.com/blogs/destroyer/do-not-sit-next-so-disgusting
> 
> Plants I distrust. I mean, exactly what are these 
> plants trying to emulate, and what are they trying 
> to attract?
>
http://www.upcool.com/sci_tech/Root_holoparasite_Hydnora_africana_in_full_bloom_
> 
> 3-D Stockholm
> http://www.hitta.se/3d/3d_map.aspx
> 
> Cool new 3D photo technology that renders in real time. 
> Here is the description from Slashdot:
> 
> Sweden's major engineer newspaper NyTeknik writes about 
> a new technology which is used to automatically convert 
> 60.000 aerial photographs of Stockholm, Sweden, into a 
> 3d-world, similar to Google Earth's rendering of major 
> buildings in some US cities. But unlike Google's laser-
> measured rendering, this technique took less than 8 days 
> (including the photography) to automatically generate 
> the 3D-model of Stockholm — which includes every building 
> and details as high as individual trees! The program was 
> developed by C3, a subsidiary of the Swedish defense 
> industry company SAAB, together with a PC gaming company 
> called Agency 9. The complete article is available (sorry, 
> Swedish only), but the 3D-rendering of Stockholm is from 
> the Swedish phone-dictionary service Hitta.se (tick the 
> checkbox — it's an ordinary disclaimer, and click 'Till 
> 3D-kartan')."
> 
> It requires Java to be installed. Wait a few moments while 
> the initial scene renders, but the current scene does not 
> have to fully rendered before you move or zoom. When you 
> move the scene with the mouse, it re-renders in real time. 
> You can zoom out for a satellite view, or zoom in to count 
> cars and people on the sidewalks. It re-renders with each 
> zoom.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  
wrote:
> > > But that could just be me. After all, I'm 
> > > not enlightened.
> > 
> > or heterosexual apparently...
> 
> I'm still wondering why you're dodging a 
> question that it should be right up your
> *alley* to answer. 
> 
> How do you know how heaven is decorated?
> 
> You *said* that you were on this forum
> to share your experiences of enlightenment,
> right? Well, the explanation of how you 
> know how heaven is decorated sounds like 
> quite a story to me. 
> 
> I would think you'd want to tell it. You
> know, to inspire us that enlightenment 
> isn't all elitist and rare the way that 
> some portray it, and that it can happen 
> to everyday guys like yourself. 
> 
> Heck, it's almost your DUTY to tell us how 
> you know what heaven looks like. If you
> don't, it kinda looks as if you know and
> are holding out on us. And wouldn't that
> be a bit elitist?
>
Nah, I'm doin' the eletist thang Barry- you wouldn't understand it 
if I told you. Hey, you haven't admitted you are gay yet, either. 
How 'bout it? Fess up.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 12:35 PM, boo_lives wrote:


Obama will urge supporters to donate to hillary and hillary will help
on the campaign trail which is all fine and dandy.  Keep in mind 2 big
things:  the clintons have the money to pay it off themselves, they've
earned over $100 million since 2001 I think, bill has raised over $500
million for his library/slush fund, they will make millions more off
side projects from this campaign, these are money raising dynamos; and
also hillary mismanaged her campaign finances, I saw an article
recently showing that hillary paid 2-5 times more per person per same
job as obama, she should bear some responsibility for that.


She sure should--very interesting stat.  Wonder why it cost her
so much more--could it be that she had to pay others more to
put up with her?  Nah, that wold be too cynical. :)

Sal

[FairfieldLife] Cool links from my brother

[TurquoiseB]

He's a nerd, like me, and when a project he's been
working on ends, as one just did, he "decompresses"
for a day or so by surfing the Net and sending me
just the coolest links to interesting stuff. Here
are some of them, passed along for your enjoyment.
They're all funny or interesting, but the last 3
are the best IMO. 

Defining precarious
http://www.upcool.com/amazing/House_On_The_Rocks

Bird hitchhiking on bird. Who knew?
http://www.vineritriskaideka.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/freeridebirdhawk.jpg

Japanese rice farmer-artists. Or artist-farmers. 
I mean, if what you do for a living is grow rice, 
why not grow it really well? 
http://www.funforever.net/archives/rice-field-art/

Nature has a message for us.
http://i30.tinypic.com/33o1507.jpg

3D street paintings
http://funtasticus.com/20080606/cool-3d-paintings-on-the-streets/

The Dutch concept of camouflage
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/images/TankGSTVwallpapert.JPG

Bush's plan in 2000 to bring gas prices down
http://www.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/062800wh-bush.html

The only valid measurement of source code quality
http://blog.pengoworks.com/enclosures/wtfm_cf7237e5-a580-4e22-a42a-f8597dd6c60b.jpg

White South African passenger challenges BA over 
her seat next to a black man. BA responds. 
http://www.myistop.com/blogs/destroyer/do-not-sit-next-so-disgusting

Plants I distrust. I mean, exactly what are these 
plants trying to emulate, and what are they trying 
to attract?
http://www.upcool.com/sci_tech/Root_holoparasite_Hydnora_africana_in_full_bloom_

3-D Stockholm
http://www.hitta.se/3d/3d_map.aspx

Cool new 3D photo technology that renders in real time. 
Here is the description from Slashdot:

Sweden's major engineer newspaper NyTeknik writes about 
a new technology which is used to automatically convert 
60.000 aerial photographs of Stockholm, Sweden, into a 
3d-world, similar to Google Earth's rendering of major 
buildings in some US cities. But unlike Google's laser-
measured rendering, this technique took less than 8 days 
(including the photography) to automatically generate 
the 3D-model of Stockholm — which includes every building 
and details as high as individual trees! The program was 
developed by C3, a subsidiary of the Swedish defense 
industry company SAAB, together with a PC gaming company 
called Agency 9. The complete article is available (sorry, 
Swedish only), but the 3D-rendering of Stockholm is from 
the Swedish phone-dictionary service Hitta.se (tick the 
checkbox — it's an ordinary disclaimer, and click 'Till 
3D-kartan')."

It requires Java to be installed. Wait a few moments while 
the initial scene renders, but the current scene does not 
have to fully rendered before you move or zoom. When you 
move the scene with the mouse, it re-renders in real time. 
You can zoom out for a satellite view, or zoom in to count 
cars and people on the sidewalks. It re-renders with each 
zoom.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[curtisdeltablues]

Gender correction, sorry Byron.  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is
> really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this state in
> modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional
> understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed this
> transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this
> account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but would
> never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > "Less than two weeks after I entered the halfway house, my life
changed
> > completely. What follows is a very approximate account.
> > 
> > One morning I woke up. I had been sleeping on the floor as usual.
> Nothing
> > special had happened the night before; I just opened my eyes. But
I was
> > seeing without concepts, without thoughts or an internal story.
> There was no
> > me. It was as if something else had woken up. It opened its eyes.
It was
> > looking through Katie's eyes. And it was crisp, it was clear, it was
> new, it
> > had never been here before. Everything was unrecognizable. And it
was so
> > delighted! Laughter welled up from the depths and just poured out. It
> > breathed and was ecstasy. It was intoxicated with joy: totally
> greedy for
> > everything. There was nothing separate, nothing unacceptable to it.
> > Everything was its very own self. For the first time I - it -
> experienced
> > the love of its own life. I - it -was amazed!
> > 
> > In trying to be as accurate as possible, I am using the word "it"
> for this
> > delighted, loving awareness, in which there was no me or world, and
> in which
> > everything was included. There just isn't another way to say how
> completely
> > new and fresh the awareness was. There was no I observing the "it."
> There
> > was nothing but the "it." And even the realization of an "it" came
> later.
> > 
> > Let me say this in a different way. A foot appeared; there was a
> cockroach
> > crawling over it. It opened its eyes, and there was something on the
> foot;
> > or there was something on the foot, and then it opened its eyes - I
> don't
> > know the sequence, because there was no time in any of this. So, to
> put it
> > in slow motion: it opened its eyes, looked down at the foot, a
> cockroach was
> > crawling across the ankle, and . it was awake! It was born. And from
> then
> > on, it's been observing. But there wasn't a subject or an object. It
> was -
> > is - everything it saw. There's no separation in it, anywhere.
> > 
> > All my rage, all the thoughts that had been troubling me, my whole
> world,
> > the whole world, was gone. The only thing that existed was
> awareness. The
> > foot and the cockroach weren't outside me; there was no outside or
> inside.
> > It was all me. And I felt delight - absolute delight! There was
> nothing, and
> > there was a whole world: walls and floor and ceiling and light and
body,
> > everything, in such fullness. But only what it could see: no more,
> no less.
> > 
> > Then it stood up, and that was amazing. There was no thinking, no
> plan. It
> > just stood up and walked to the bathroom. It walked straight to a
> mirror,
> > and it locked onto the eyes of its own reflection, and it
> understood. And
> > that was even deeper than the delight it had known before. It fell
> in love
> > with that being in the mirror. It was as if the woman and the
> awareness of
> > the woman had permanently merged. There were only the eyes, and a
> sense of
> > absolute vastness, with no knowledge in it. It was as if I - she -
> had been
> > shot through with electricity. It was like God giving itself life
> through
> > the body of the woman - God so loving and bright, so vast - and yet
> she knew
> > that it was herself. It made such a deep connection with her eyes.
> There was
> > no meaning to it, just a nameless recognition that consumed her.
> > 
> > Love is the best word I can find for it. It had been split apart,
> and now it
> > was joined. There was it moving, and then it in the mirror, and
then it
> > joined as quickly as it had separated - it was all eyes. The eyes
in the
> > mirror were the eyes of it. And it gave itself back again , as it
> met again.
> > And that gave it its identity, which I call love. As it looked in the
> > mirror, the eyes - the depth of them- were all that was real, all that
> > existed - prior to that, nothing. No eyes, no anything; even
> standing there,
> > there was nothing. And then the eyes come out to give it what it is.
> People
> > name things a wall, a ceiling, a foot, a hand. But it had no name
> for these
> > things, because it's indivisible. And it's invisible. Until the
> eyes. Until
> > the eyes. I remember tears of gratitude pouring down the cheeks as
> it looked
> > at its own reflection. It stood there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Byron Katie's Awakening

[curtisdeltablues]

I think this glorification of the experience of depersonalization is
really misguided.  There is a lot of information about this state in
modern psychology that needs to be integrated into more traditional
understandings of these experiences.  Just because she enjoyed this
transition of awareness doesn't mean it is a good thing. I found this
account somewhat alarming.  I have had experiences like it but would
never seek them as a goal for my awareness again.  



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Less than two weeks after I entered the halfway house, my life changed
> completely. What follows is a very approximate account.
> 
> One morning I woke up. I had been sleeping on the floor as usual.
Nothing
> special had happened the night before; I just opened my eyes. But I was
> seeing without concepts, without thoughts or an internal story.
There was no
> me. It was as if something else had woken up. It opened its eyes. It was
> looking through Katie's eyes. And it was crisp, it was clear, it was
new, it
> had never been here before. Everything was unrecognizable. And it was so
> delighted! Laughter welled up from the depths and just poured out. It
> breathed and was ecstasy. It was intoxicated with joy: totally
greedy for
> everything. There was nothing separate, nothing unacceptable to it.
> Everything was its very own self. For the first time I - it -
experienced
> the love of its own life. I - it -was amazed!
> 
> In trying to be as accurate as possible, I am using the word "it"
for this
> delighted, loving awareness, in which there was no me or world, and
in which
> everything was included. There just isn't another way to say how
completely
> new and fresh the awareness was. There was no I observing the "it."
There
> was nothing but the "it." And even the realization of an "it" came
later.
> 
> Let me say this in a different way. A foot appeared; there was a
cockroach
> crawling over it. It opened its eyes, and there was something on the
foot;
> or there was something on the foot, and then it opened its eyes - I
don't
> know the sequence, because there was no time in any of this. So, to
put it
> in slow motion: it opened its eyes, looked down at the foot, a
cockroach was
> crawling across the ankle, and . it was awake! It was born. And from
then
> on, it's been observing. But there wasn't a subject or an object. It
was -
> is - everything it saw. There's no separation in it, anywhere.
> 
> All my rage, all the thoughts that had been troubling me, my whole
world,
> the whole world, was gone. The only thing that existed was
awareness. The
> foot and the cockroach weren't outside me; there was no outside or
inside.
> It was all me. And I felt delight - absolute delight! There was
nothing, and
> there was a whole world: walls and floor and ceiling and light and body,
> everything, in such fullness. But only what it could see: no more,
no less.
> 
> Then it stood up, and that was amazing. There was no thinking, no
plan. It
> just stood up and walked to the bathroom. It walked straight to a
mirror,
> and it locked onto the eyes of its own reflection, and it
understood. And
> that was even deeper than the delight it had known before. It fell
in love
> with that being in the mirror. It was as if the woman and the
awareness of
> the woman had permanently merged. There were only the eyes, and a
sense of
> absolute vastness, with no knowledge in it. It was as if I - she -
had been
> shot through with electricity. It was like God giving itself life
through
> the body of the woman - God so loving and bright, so vast - and yet
she knew
> that it was herself. It made such a deep connection with her eyes.
There was
> no meaning to it, just a nameless recognition that consumed her.
> 
> Love is the best word I can find for it. It had been split apart,
and now it
> was joined. There was it moving, and then it in the mirror, and then it
> joined as quickly as it had separated - it was all eyes. The eyes in the
> mirror were the eyes of it. And it gave itself back again , as it
met again.
> And that gave it its identity, which I call love. As it looked in the
> mirror, the eyes - the depth of them- were all that was real, all that
> existed - prior to that, nothing. No eyes, no anything; even
standing there,
> there was nothing. And then the eyes come out to give it what it is.
People
> name things a wall, a ceiling, a foot, a hand. But it had no name
for these
> things, because it's indivisible. And it's invisible. Until the
eyes. Until
> the eyes. I remember tears of gratitude pouring down the cheeks as
it looked
> at its own reflection. It stood there staring for I don't know how long.
> 
> These were the first moments after I was born as it, or it as me.
There was
> nothing left of Katie. There was literally not even a shred of
memory of her
> - no past, no future, not even a present. And in that openness, such
joy.
> "There's nothing sweeter than this," I felt; "there i

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment

[curtisdeltablues]

> > 
> > Seeing all people as "suffering" is really a shallow
> > understanding on the human condition IMO.
> 
> Well, it's certainly been a popular one with
> folks who are generally held to have been
> exceptionally wise--Jesus and Buddha, just for
> two examples.

I agree with your Buddha point from what I have read.  His first
tenant is that life is suffering, right?  I don't have enough
information about his life to have an opinion about his wisdom.  I do
disagree with that first premise completely.  Life is not suffering
just because pleasure is transitory.

I don't associate Jesus's message as being the same at all.  His
followers are pitching salvation in the next world by believing that
his suffering was in place of ours. I don't get the connection with
the Eastern view.  In fact it is often preached as a way to get people
to stop living it up in this world so that they can enter heaven.


> > 
> > I just can't see you as being summed up as "suffering"
> > Judy.
> 
> That indicates a very narrow and literal understanding
> of what is meant by "suffering" in this context.
>

How is your understanding broader and less literal?  What does it mean
to you?  Suffering is a strong word with a strong meaning.  Perhaps
you are watering the definition down so that you can match your own
experience to Maharishi's use of vocabulary.

In either case claiming it as a general condition for your life, no
matter how you have defined it for yourself, seems a bit melodramatic
to me.  Our lives represent the counter evidence to the claim that
life is suffering.  Given our head start in this world we would have
to really work at it to make our life a state of suffering IMO.

Maharishi's claim that life is bliss (once you have taken all his
courses and reach his goal state) also misses the mark for me.  It is
the mixture of bliss and suffering that defines what I consider life
to be.  And each polarity has its different gifts to make our life
richer.  Blanket statements like life is suffering or life is bliss
seem so childish to me.  I think holy guys have gotten a free ride
with such pronouncements.  But on the other hand I have not given
Buddha much of a chance, I admit.  Maharishi on the other hand got all
the chance to make his case that anyone should require, from me.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night

[boo_lives]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> On Jun 8, 2008, at 11:41 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> > You know, Sal, it's such common knowledge that
> > this is accepted practice that examples usually
> > aren't given. But I've seen two mentioned in
> > the current campaign: Clinton helped Vilsack
> > retire his campaign debt, and McCain helped
> > Brownback retire his.
> 
> Apples and oranges, Judy,  as you're well aware.  From the
> first article:
> 
> "Still, there is precedent for winners to help losers. Clinton's  
> donors helped former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack pay off his presidential  
> campaign debt. Sen. John McCain's supporters helped Sen. Sam  
> Brownback (R-Kan.) pay his debt, though it was in the tens of  
> thousands, not tens of millions."
> 
> Tens of thousands--hardly the same situation.  And notice the article
> says "there is precedent," not that it's accepted or even common  
> practice.
> Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make stuff up,
> people might actually believe what you say once in a while. :)
> 
Obama will urge supporters to donate to hillary and hillary will help
on the campaign trail which is all fine and dandy.  Keep in mind 2 big
things:  the clintons have the money to pay it off themselves, they've
earned over $100 million since 2001 I think, bill has raised over $500
million for his library/slush fund, they will make millions more off
side projects from this campaign, these are money raising dynamos; and
also hillary mismanaged her campaign finances, I saw an article
recently showing that hillary paid 2-5 times more per person per same
job as obama, she should bear some responsibility for that.

[FairfieldLife] Byron Katie's Awakening

[Rick Archer]

"Less than two weeks after I entered the halfway house, my life changed
completely. What follows is a very approximate account.

One morning I woke up. I had been sleeping on the floor as usual. Nothing
special had happened the night before; I just opened my eyes. But I was
seeing without concepts, without thoughts or an internal story. There was no
me. It was as if something else had woken up. It opened its eyes. It was
looking through Katie's eyes. And it was crisp, it was clear, it was new, it
had never been here before. Everything was unrecognizable. And it was so
delighted! Laughter welled up from the depths and just poured out. It
breathed and was ecstasy. It was intoxicated with joy: totally greedy for
everything. There was nothing separate, nothing unacceptable to it.
Everything was its very own self. For the first time I - it - experienced
the love of its own life. I - it -was amazed!

In trying to be as accurate as possible, I am using the word "it" for this
delighted, loving awareness, in which there was no me or world, and in which
everything was included. There just isn't another way to say how completely
new and fresh the awareness was. There was no I observing the "it." There
was nothing but the "it." And even the realization of an "it" came later.

Let me say this in a different way. A foot appeared; there was a cockroach
crawling over it. It opened its eyes, and there was something on the foot;
or there was something on the foot, and then it opened its eyes - I don't
know the sequence, because there was no time in any of this. So, to put it
in slow motion: it opened its eyes, looked down at the foot, a cockroach was
crawling across the ankle, and . it was awake! It was born. And from then
on, it's been observing. But there wasn't a subject or an object. It was -
is - everything it saw. There's no separation in it, anywhere.

All my rage, all the thoughts that had been troubling me, my whole world,
the whole world, was gone. The only thing that existed was awareness. The
foot and the cockroach weren't outside me; there was no outside or inside.
It was all me. And I felt delight - absolute delight! There was nothing, and
there was a whole world: walls and floor and ceiling and light and body,
everything, in such fullness. But only what it could see: no more, no less.

Then it stood up, and that was amazing. There was no thinking, no plan. It
just stood up and walked to the bathroom. It walked straight to a mirror,
and it locked onto the eyes of its own reflection, and it understood. And
that was even deeper than the delight it had known before. It fell in love
with that being in the mirror. It was as if the woman and the awareness of
the woman had permanently merged. There were only the eyes, and a sense of
absolute vastness, with no knowledge in it. It was as if I - she - had been
shot through with electricity. It was like God giving itself life through
the body of the woman - God so loving and bright, so vast - and yet she knew
that it was herself. It made such a deep connection with her eyes. There was
no meaning to it, just a nameless recognition that consumed her.

Love is the best word I can find for it. It had been split apart, and now it
was joined. There was it moving, and then it in the mirror, and then it
joined as quickly as it had separated - it was all eyes. The eyes in the
mirror were the eyes of it. And it gave itself back again , as it met again.
And that gave it its identity, which I call love. As it looked in the
mirror, the eyes - the depth of them- were all that was real, all that
existed - prior to that, nothing. No eyes, no anything; even standing there,
there was nothing. And then the eyes come out to give it what it is. People
name things a wall, a ceiling, a foot, a hand. But it had no name for these
things, because it's indivisible. And it's invisible. Until the eyes. Until
the eyes. I remember tears of gratitude pouring down the cheeks as it looked
at its own reflection. It stood there staring for I don't know how long.

These were the first moments after I was born as it, or it as me. There was
nothing left of Katie. There was literally not even a shred of memory of her
- no past, no future, not even a present. And in that openness, such joy.
"There's nothing sweeter than this," I felt; "there is nothing but this. If
you loved yourself more than anything you could imagine, you would give
yourself this. A face. A hand. Breath. But that's not enough. A wall. A
ceiling. A window. A bed. Light bulbs. Ooh! And this too! And this too! And
this too!"

All this took place beyond time. But when I put it into language, I have to
backtrack and fill in. While I was lying on the floor, I understood that
when I was asleep, prior to cockroach or foot, prior to any thoughts, prior
to any world, there is nothing. In that instant, the four questions of The
Work were born. I understood that no thought is true. The whole of inquiry
was already present in that understanding. It was l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Voters Saw Tuesday Night

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jun 8, 2008, at 11:41 AM, authfriend wrote:


You know, Sal, it's such common knowledge that
this is accepted practice that examples usually
aren't given. But I've seen two mentioned in
the current campaign: Clinton helped Vilsack
retire his campaign debt, and McCain helped
Brownback retire his.


Apples and oranges, Judy,  as you're well aware.  From the
first article:

"Still, there is precedent for winners to help losers. Clinton's  
donors helped former Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack pay off his presidential  
campaign debt. Sen. John McCain's supporters helped Sen. Sam  
Brownback (R-Kan.) pay his debt, though it was in the tens of  
thousands, not tens of millions."


Tens of thousands--hardly the same situation.  And notice the article
says "there is precedent," not that it's accepted or even common  
practice.

Same in the second one. You know, Judy, if you didn't make stuff up,
people might actually believe what you say once in a while. :)



The winners don't give the losers money from their
own campaigns (that's illegal), but they hold
fund-raisers and send out appeals on the loser's
behalf. Of course, it's expected that in return
the loser will help fundraise for the winner's
general election campaign.

FYI, here are four articles that note that it's
common practice (you could easily have looked
these up yourself, and then you wouldn't even
have had to ask):



Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > But that could just be me. After all, I'm 
> > not enlightened.
> 
> or heterosexual apparently...

I'm still wondering why you're dodging a 
question that it should be right up your
*alley* to answer. 

How do you know how heaven is decorated?

You *said* that you were on this forum
to share your experiences of enlightenment,
right? Well, the explanation of how you 
know how heaven is decorated sounds like 
quite a story to me. 

I would think you'd want to tell it. You
know, to inspire us that enlightenment 
isn't all elitist and rare the way that 
some portray it, and that it can happen 
to everyday guys like yourself. 

Heck, it's almost your DUTY to tell us how 
you know what heaven looks like. If you
don't, it kinda looks as if you know and
are holding out on us. And wouldn't that
be a bit elitist?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't a very
> good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 
> 
> [snip]
>
Which is precisely why you are not, Mr. Know-It-All.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
> looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
> 
> Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
> to answer that question, now that you have 
> claimed to know.
> 
> It also seems to me that you've resorted
> to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
> you're not answering this question. 
> 
Gay slurs? So you are saying that being into interior decorating if 
you are gay is demeaning? HAve you ever watched Colorsplash with David 
Bromstad? The guy is gay, and completely talented. And what about all 
the openly gay entertainers? It was you making fun of Liberace, not me 
Bucko. Suck it up, dude.

I am not making gay slurs at all-- it is your confused sexual identity 
that causes you to see it that way. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Portugues

[Marcelo]

Ola Louis 

ok , eu entendi você !!!  otimo... onde você aprendeu portugues ?  você pratica 
tm ? 

It would like to know if you understands well what I write in English ? 

Good luck 


  - Original Message - 
  From: Louis McKenzie 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 4:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Portugues


  Sim desculpo eu nao vi seu post antes.  Estou americano mais fale e ler 
portugese escribo mais ou menos

  Marcelo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Alguem entende portugues aqui ?



   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[sandiego108]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But that could just be me. After all, I'm 
> not enlightened.
>
or heterosexual apparently...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[shempmcgurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" shempmcgurk@
> wrote:
> >
> > If I were to bring Barry with me to the prostitutes that do.rflex
> > claims I frequent, would that cure him of his homosexuality?
>
> If you find twins for me, Shemp, that would
> even cure me of my atheism.



...start tithing, Barry:


















>
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 1. He recently moved to Sitges, living on "the gayest street in
the
> > > gayest town in Spain".
> > >
> > > 2. He often uses imagery here to paint himself as super macho,
> > > mentioning more than once all of his supposed conquests of women
in
> > > the heavily homosexual TM Movement (his characterization), and a
19
> > > year old during a power outage in his former digs in France. Were
> > they
> > > actually women Barry?
> > >
> > > 3. A fascination with interior decorating-- several times he has
> > > regaled us with stories of how awesome both his apartment in
Sitges
> > > is, and his former digs in France were; tapestries on the wall
over
> > > his bed, Tibetan artifacts adorning the rest, etc. Sounds
> > *sumptuous*
> > > Barry.
> > >
> > > 4. Entertainment, entertainment, entertainment. His numerous
> > postings
> > > on TV shows, movies, plays, and music- more than anyone else here.
> > > Judy Garland where are you? And one of his favorite artists, a man
> > of
> > > course, named Bruce *Cockburn*-- Barry practically worships the
guy-
> >
> > > postin g his lyrics here, defending him to all comers (ooops,
> > > unfortunate choice of words)
> > >
> > > 5. His decades long anger at Judy S., a woman he feels deep
> > resentment
> > > towards. Not that she posts anything different than a lot of guys
> > > here, but she is a woman...Perhaps his attempts to make Judy his
> > > confidante, his "fag hag" failed long ago, and he cannot forgive
> > her
> > > for it?
> > >
> > > 6. Single and lovin' it (in Sitges). His "marriage" didn't work
out.
> > >
> > > 7. Naturally assuming that the place of highest aspirations,
> > Heaven,
> > > is "gay"- wtf?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Rising Insanity of the Age of Enlightment

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Because saying "This is very conceptual" and that MMY
> > didn't eliminate *your* suffering isn't a rebuttal of
> > the assertion that MMY's intention to eliminate
> > suffering shows that he had empathy.
> 
> Seeing all people as "suffering" is really a shallow
> understanding on the human condition IMO.

Well, it's certainly been a popular one with
folks who are generally held to have been
exceptionally wise--Jesus and Buddha, just for
two examples.

> My life is not characterized by suffering

Actually, when you say this in rebuttal, what it
demonstrates is that your understanding of the
"life is suffering" idea is shallow.


> > > Did TM eliminate your suffering Judy? 
> > 
> > Certainly has reduced it, more and more over time.
> > Again, though, that's irrelevant to the issue of
> > whether it's what MMY intended.
> 
> I just can't see you as being summed up as "suffering"
> Judy.

That indicates a very narrow and literal understanding
of what is meant by "suffering" in this context.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[gullible fool]

> Yeah, Jim. What the FUCK is wrong with you?
> 
> Insinuate he's on drugs instead.

Ha! This is funnier than the 'ka-ching!'  

--- On Sun, 6/8/08, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 12:13 PM
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
> "sandiego108"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > 5. His decades long anger at Judy S., a woman he
> feels deep
> > > resentment towards. Not that she posts anything
> different
> > > than a lot of guys here, but she is a
> woman...Perhaps his
> > > attempts to make Judy his confidante, his
> "fag hag" failed
> > > long ago, and he cannot forgive her for it?
> > 
> > Jim, I don't appreciate being used as an accessory
> in
> > an attempt to insult someone by accusing them of being
> > gay. I'm astonished to find you using such an
> unworthy
> > tactic. It doesn't surprise me when Barry and Vaj
> do
> > it, but I wouldn't have thought you were also
> homophobic.
> 
> Yeah, Jim. What the FUCK is wrong with you?
> 
> Insinuate he's on drugs instead.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To subscribe, send a message to:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Or go to: 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/
> and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
> 
> 
> 

  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > And how DO you know for sure what heaven 
> > looks like, Mr. Enlightened Guy?
> > 
> > Seems to me that you *really* don't want 
> > to answer that question, now that you have 
> > claimed to know.
> > 
> > It also seems to me that you've resorted
> > to gay slurs as a way to hide the fact that
> > you're not answering this question. 
> > 
> > So I'm going to keep asking it until you DO
> > answer it. Here was the original context of
> > your claim:
> > 
> > > > > > My impression of Seelisberg was that it was the
> > > > > > largest museum to the gay lifestyle I'd ever seen.
> > > > > 
> > > > > you'd have to say the same thing about heaven then. Only 
> > > > > real men go to hell, eh?
> > > > 
> > > > Are you now claiming not only to be enlightened
> > > > (and I think we both know how many people here
> > > > believe that) but to know how heaven is decorated, 
> > > > Jim?   :-)  :-)  :-)
> > > 
> > > Yes Barry I am. Suck it up dude.
> > 
> > You're awfully free with the term "suck it 
> > up," Mr. Enlightened Guy. Can you walk the
> > walk of your own talk? Why not "suck it up"
> > yourself and answer the question? 
> > 
> > It should be simple for someone as enlight-
> > ened as yourself. In fact, you claimed not 
> > long ago that your reason for writing here 
> > was to "share your experiences." Seems to
> > me that the experience that enables you to 
> > know how heaven is decorated would be a 
> > real doozy, one that you'd *love* to share
> > with us.
> > 
> > So how DO you know how heaven is decorated?
> > 
> > I'll wait.
> > 
> > And I'll keep asking until you answer, no matter
> > how many times you call me gay, and no matter
> > what else you call me. 
> 
> 
> Being such an insulting obnoxious odious asshole sure isn't 
> a very good example to set for 'enlightenment' through TM. 

I'm tempted to say, "He had a good role
model as teacher," but that would be mean.  :-)

So instead I will deepen my question above.
I am very curious as to how Mr. Enlightened
Guy resolves his statement above that he
knows how heaven is decorated with a state-
ment he made not long ago:

"I have no fear of death (although I'd really prefer 
not to die violently, if at all possible). I have 
lost all of my convictions about the future (good
and bad, including previous beliefs in life after 
death, and reincarnation-- who cares?)."

This juxtaposition seems curious to me. If
Mr. Enlightened Guy has SEEN heaven, enough
to know how it's decorated, how can he claim
to have "lost all of his convictions" about
a belief in life after death? 

Seems to me that if one had SEEN heaven, life
after death would be a bit more than a "convic-
tion." If you've seen it -- enough to know what
its decor looks like -- then how can there be
any doubt that heaven exists, and that there-
fore life after death exists?

Something's not adding up here for me. Either
Mr. Enlightened Guy has given up all of his 
beliefs in life after death, or he saw heaven.
But not both. Seems to me that the latter kinda 
invalidates the former. 

But that could just be me. After all, I'm 
not enlightened.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hillary 'suspends', not ends, campaign - watch for McCain / Clinton ticket

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > Your brains are scrambled, Barry. Have you taken
> > up drugs again, or what?
> 
> You are clearly not keeping up with the
> posts, Judy. The Ploy Of The Day for people
> who don't want to address the things I say
> is to call me gay. Calling me a druggie to
> distract attention from the fact that you
> can't address them is so last year.

Whooopsie! Looks like it's you who isn't keeping
up with the posts, not paying attention AGAIN.
I just called Jim out for accusing you of being
gay.

(And notice that it's Barry who is trying to
distract attention from all the whopping mistakes
he made in the post I was responding to. I HOPE
it's drugs or booze rather than some encroaching
mental disability he can't do anything to stem.)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Seven reasons Barry is most likely gay

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> If I were to bring Barry with me to the prostitutes that do.rflex 
> claims I frequent, would that cure him of his homosexuality?

If you find twins for me, Shemp, that would
even cure me of my atheism.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sandiego108"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 1. He recently moved to Sitges, living on "the gayest street in the 
> > gayest town in Spain".
> > 
> > 2. He often uses imagery here to paint himself as super macho, 
> > mentioning more than once all of his supposed conquests of women in 
> > the heavily homosexual TM Movement (his characterization), and a 19 
> > year old during a power outage in his former digs in France. Were 
> they 
> > actually women Barry?
> > 
> > 3. A fascination with interior decorating-- several times he has 
> > regaled us with stories of how awesome both his apartment in Sitges 
> > is, and his former digs in France were; tapestries on the wall over 
> > his bed, Tibetan artifacts adorning the rest, etc. Sounds 
> *sumptuous* 
> > Barry.
> > 
> > 4. Entertainment, entertainment, entertainment. His numerous 
> postings 
> > on TV shows, movies, plays, and music- more than anyone else here. 
> > Judy Garland where are you? And one of his favorite artists, a man 
> of 
> > course, named Bruce *Cockburn*-- Barry practically worships the guy-
>  
> > postin g his lyrics here, defending him to all comers (ooops, 
> > unfortunate choice of words)
> > 
> > 5. His decades long anger at Judy S., a woman he feels deep 
> resentment 
> > towards. Not that she posts anything different than a lot of guys 
> > here, but she is a woman...Perhaps his attempts to make Judy his 
> > confidante, his "fag hag" failed long ago, and he cannot forgive 
> her 
> > for it?
> > 
> > 6. Single and lovin' it (in Sitges). His "marriage" didn't work out.
> > 
> > 7. Naturally assuming that the place of highest aspirations, 
> Heaven, 
> > is "gay"- wtf?
> >
>