[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> > >
> > > To All:
> > > 
> > > Siddhis are not restricted to the vedic literature.  We find 
> > > similar feats in the gospels and stories of Christian saints.
> > 
> > The conclusion is inescapable. Because stories of
> > siddhis exist in these books, siddhis must exist.
> > 
> > Similarly, stories of not only siddhis but fantastic
> > creatures like dragons, trolls, etc. exist in other
> > books. These books are often referred to as "fairytales" 
> > or "myths." Presumably these stories should be given 
> > EXACTLY the same credence as the stories in the "vedic 
> > literature" or in the "gospels." 
> > 
> > After all, there is EXACTLY the same amount of 
> > evidence that the stories in the myths and fairytales 
> > are true as there is that any of the stories in the 
> > "vedic literature" or "gospels" are true. Therefore 
> > what I think you're trying to make is that if it's 
> > a story in a book, it's true. 
> > 
> > Or did I get that wrong, John? Were you suggesting
> > instead that something is true only if it's a story 
> > in *some* books?  
> > 
> > :-)
> > 
> > Just funnin' wit ya, John.
> > 
> > But seriously, if you feel like it (or if *anyone*
> > here feels like it), please present a reason why
> > we should consider the Bible or the gospels or the
> > "vedic literature" any different from myths and
> > fairytales -- or for that matter from any other
> > form of fiction -- in terms of their credence or 
> > accuracy.
> > 
> > A reason other than "Because I believe they are,"
> > that is.
> > 
> > I'll wait.
> 
> Barry,
> 
> Of course we know the difference between fairy tales and 
> wisdom books.  The authors of fairy tales tell us that 
> the stories are not literally true.  

Thank you for your reply, John, and for making
my point for me. Two points in response:

1. You have just affirmed that the only reason
you believe that certain books contain "wisdom"
and are "true" is that *someone told you they
were*.

2. You're dead wrong about the authors of fairy
tales and myths "telling us" that they are *not*
true. I challenge you to produce an instance of
this. You will find *no such evidence* for any
of the classic myths, and less for fairy tales
written before the 20th century and the advent
of modern publishing.

Most myths are considered by scholars *amplifi-
cations of real events*. The authors made them
"sound better" by inventing things to make them
sound more interesting. A classic example might
be "Beowulf," which author Michael Crichton 
"took on" as a bet during his college days. He
had a classics professor who bet him that he 
could not tell the story of Beowulf without
the magic. Crichton did so, in a month, turning
the story into his short novel "Eaters Of The
Dead," which was then made into the excellent
film "The 13th Warrior." All that he had to do
was take out all the "amplification" of real
events in the original plot of "Beowulf" and 
turn them back into real events again.

My contention is that the books you call "wisdom
books" are EXACTLY THE SAME THING. The authors,
in most cases monks who were "sold out" to some
vision or some teacher they adored, "amplified"
the real events of their lives and *made up 
stuff* to make those lives sound more "wise"
or "profound." 

The only argument you seem to be able to propose
to counter this theory is that these books are
literally true "because someone told you they
are." Cool, I guess...if that's the kind of led-
around-by-the-nose-by-other-people's-claims 
person you want to be.  :-)

> Even if unsaid, tradition or experts in the field tell 
> us that fairy tales are not true.

Another appeal to "authority," this time in the
form of "experts."  :-)

> On the other hand, the authors of wisdom books are telling 
> us of their beliefs.  

And that makes them "true," right? You and BillyG 
have suggested in the past that any man who wastes 
his ojas by over-indulging in sex loses his personal 
power and thus guarantees his lack of success in 
things worldly and spiritual. Tell that to Warren 
Beatty, who seems to have slept with an estimated 
12,775 women in his life, and enjoyed a veritable 
shitload of success. 

You clearly *believed* this bullshit about the 
value of celibacy when you said it. But did that
make it "true?"

Only in your mind. Again, this is my point, and the
point you seem incapable of "getting." Your *beliefs*
have nothing whatsoever to do with "truth." They
are *only* beliefs. Same with the beliefs of the
"authors of wisdom books." 

IT DOESN'T MATTER whether the authors of the 
"vedic literature" believed what they wrote. And 
WHY it doesn't matter is that belief has 
absolutely nothing to do with "truth."

> The narratives may be clothe in figurative language such 
> as those written in the vedic literature or the Judeo-
> Christian 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> > >
> > > As I understand it from a muslim friend, Hindus take their 
> > > mythical writings literally. I guess the question is how 
> > > much we need to buy into the idea that there was once human 
> > > beings who could do things that seem to defy reason. In 
> > > today's world the real miracle would be for people to stop 
> > > trying to convince one another that his or her religion / 
> > > belief system trumps that of their neighbours. That would 
> > > be something.
> > 
> > Indeed it would.
> > 
> > And it's related to other things I've rapped about
> > recently -- the relationship of subjective experience
> > to "Truth," and the relationship of belief to "Truth."
> > 
> > I hold that there *IS* no such relationship.
> > 
> > And I hold this speaking as the only person here who
> > has witnessed siddhis being performed. (Unless you
> > believe Nabby, that is.) I witnessed levitation, 
> > turning invisible, turning mountains transparent,
> > and many other siddhis numerous times over a period
> > of 14 years. 
> > 
> > But does that make such things True? Or "Truth?"
> > 
> > Not to me. All it means is that I experienced these
> > things. I've seen hang-in-midair-for-minutes-at-a-
> > time levitation *hundreds* of times, but I would not
> > claim that it exists. My subjective experience tells
> > me that it exists, but that is ONLY my subjective
> > experience. Not "Truth."
> 
> Pontius Pilate once asked: "What is truth?"  It appears 
> that you don't trust your senses to tell you what the 
> world is like.  

You miss the point entirely. I trust my senses
fully to tell me what I have experienced. What
I *don't* do is call that experience "truth,"
let alone try to convince others that it's 
the "truth." 

That's YOUR approach, John, and you do it even
when you have NOT experienced the things you
believe in, such as levitation. I have actually
*experienced* levitation and I would never call
its existence "truth," but YOU DO. 

The difference between us seems to be that I 
do not believe in "one size fits all" and you do.
I do not believe that what I believe constitutes
anything resembling "truth," and you do.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cold weather and new YFfers?

[cardemaister]

Just read that Sweden's running out of electricity because
of the cold weather! :0

[FairfieldLife] Re: Cold weather and new YFfers?

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> Just read that Sweden's running out of electricity because
> of the cold weather! :0

In the UK the worry is gas: "Temperature in Altnaharra in
Scottish Highlands dips to -21C, almost on par with south
pole, as snow causes more disruption... The prolonged cold
weather, which is forecast to continue next week, has led
to companies having their gas cut off as the National Grid
tries to ensure there is enough gas for households."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/08/uk-coldest-weather-transport-delays-snow

Throughout the nation schools have been closed, trains
cancelled or delayed, roads impassable for days now.

My thermometer read -10C (14F) last night. And being the far
South West we're hardly supposed to get frosts!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:

> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > > That would be something.
> > > 
> > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > It gets even weirder when people claim that things
> > > they have NEVER experienced subjectively but have 
> > > only heard of are "Truth." These things aren't even
> > > subjective experience; they are pure BELIEF... 
> > >
> > So, it has been established that you believe in the
> > individual 'soul-monad', that reincarnates over and
> > over in time. But, in fact, this isn't even logical,
> > based on pure reasoning. Where is the 'soul'? Can 
> > you tell us where the soul is, or what it looks like?
> > 
> > Where did you get the notion that there was a 'Self'
> > or a 'Soul'? There's nothing in sense experience that
> > would indicate that you have anything but a physical
> > body composed of the five senses.
> > 
> > So, in fact, you have a very big BELIEF system, and
> > it looks like you're very suggestible to metaphysical
> > notions! Why is that?
> 
> Good point here.  It appears that Barry believes he is right and everybody 
> else is wrong.  That is a form of existentialism.
>

"Existentialism"?! I'm gonna need a new red pen...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:

> The notion that there exists a 'transcendental state'
> beyond the senses is a categorical imperative described
> by Immanuel Kant. The Ultimate Reality can never be known
> through pure reason alone.

Just HAVE to get my red pen out Willy. The "categorical 
imperative" was the central plank of Kant's moral philosophy,
not epistemology. You're thinking of "noumena" ("things
in themselves"). In fact we can't really speak of noumena
(plural) versus noumenon (singular) - 'cos we just "don't 
know"! 

Good chap Kant. Later echoed by Wittgenstein (Rev.1.0):

"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent."

[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)

[TurquoiseB]

This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that
Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running
back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's
compare my characterization of her freakout over "unkempt hair"
to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Just as a followup, doncha think it's
> fascinating that a supposed "feminist"
> throws away several posts 1) picking a
> nit about another woman's "unkempt"
> appearance as if that somehow offended
> her, and 2) does so by suggesting that
> it is somehow "inauthentic" for a woman
> in any era to wear her hair the way she
> wants to?
>
> Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in
> mind would submit to what the society
> she lived in (*especially* other women
> who bitchily criticized her "unkempt"
> appearance) wanted from her, rather than
> express her own taste in hairstyles. :-)

The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what
she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing
"Dances With Wolves." (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think
we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing
these rants purely on what she was told about the film by
someone else, as she's done in the past with "Apocalypto" and
other films.)

Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note
that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been
forced to view the hairstyle of a "slattern" (her term) on another
woman. Note that this supposed "feminist" wants the right to
impose *her* ideas of a "proper hairstyle" on another woman.

Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at "feminist"
Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past
said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years
later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has
the right to say them about another woman's? Some "feminist."

> Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly
> looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
> the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
> neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
> hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
> wavy.
>
> I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept
> her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
> most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the
> impression that she had somehow become wild and savage*

> She'd been taken in by the tribe
> when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point
> she would have had a cultural identity that would have
> made her grow up never combing her hair and looking
> like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let
> her look like that.

> *That made it appear as though she never combed her
> hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow
> her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the
> Indian women?
>
> Even if they couldn't bring themselves to have her
> wear braids, there was no other way they could find
> to style her hair so it looked like she took care
> of it? Loose and flowing could have worked, but
> there was no reason for it to be *matted and tangled*.
>
> Were they afraid she wasn't a good enough actress
> to put the character across convincingly as not
> "uptight" unless *her hair was a snarled, dirty-
> looking mess* to convey how unconstrained and
> spontaneous she was?
>
> Even at her wedding to Dunbar, when she's dressed
> to the nines in gorgeous festive Indian garb, *her
> hair looks like a rat's nest*.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:

> St. Thomas Aquinas was able to levitate as well, although this is not 
> generally known to people within or without the Christian church.
>

I was watching an interesting program about the art
of Spain recently (there was a wonderful depiction of
Cordoba and what seemed to be it's idyllic and tolerant
society in the Muslim early years).

In the course of the programme Andrew Graham-Dixon
visited the monastery of the "levitating nun" María
de Agreda. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_de_Agreda

A devout practitioner of quiet prayer, she was
known to experience religious ecstasy after receiving
the sacraments...

...even as a young girl she was filled with divine
knowledge

...Throughout her life, Maria de Agreda was inclined to
the "internal prayer" or "quiet prayer" for which the
Franciscans are noted. Like her countrywoman St. Teresa
of Avila, these prayerful experiences inevitably led to
her ecstasies, including witnessed accounts of levitation

It would be interesting to know more about her "quiet
prayer"!

(The programme "The Art Of Spain" was very good I thought.
But I don't think it's available now on the BBC iPlayer).

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Premanand]

Actually, most hermits, sadhus and swamis in India are perceived as beggars. In 
1967 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi put it like this:-
"So there is nothing definite in the life of a monk, particularly in India. 
Here in the west the monks are more organized and the church is there and they 
take care of it, but in India when one leaves home – he doesn't take care of 
himself, because he has no means to take care. He is out of society; no one 
asks him to do some work and pays him wages or anything – nothing. So now he is 
all in the faith of God – now that he is left with just his faith. So the life 
of a monk is a very very hard life." - Extract of interview published in 
International Times, 15 December 1967. 

Interestingly though, despite his acknowledgement that monks receive no wages, 
Maharishi himself had a problem with being seen as a beggar:-
"People had made a rule, that they put some basket there so that people when 
they come and when they go, they put something in the basket. And I felt very 
ashamed with that basket on the door and people coming and I said `It is like 
begging on the door', because it was too odd to me to put a basket in front of 
my room." - transcript of tape recording.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> >
> > I once visited an area in the Himalayas closeby Jyotirmath, Tapoban, where 
> > siddhas are supposed to live. Other than the shrine of a recently deceased 
> > one, Gudri Baba (who was mentioned in Swami Rama's Himalayan Masters book, 
> > as I recall) I found no 'siddhas' there. 
> 
> Wold paul be able to distinguish a Siddha from a beggar ?
> 
> When I pointed this out to an Indian companion back in Joshimath, I was met 
> with, 'well they are invisible unless they wish to be seen...'.
> > Hey ho, there is always a last word Hari isn't there!!!
> 
> The indian was correct, why would they want to show themselves for a sorry 
> fellow like yourself ?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[BillyG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
>
> Actually, most hermits, sadhus and swamis in India are perceived as beggars. 
> In 1967 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi put it like this:-
> "So there is nothing definite in the life of a monk, particularly in India. 
> Here in the west the monks are more organized and the church is there and 
> they take care of it, but in India when one leaves home – he doesn't take 
> care of himself, because he has no means to take care. He is out of society; 
> no one asks him to do some work and pays him wages or anything – nothing. So 
> now he is all in the faith of God – now that he is left with just his faith. 
> So the life of a monk is a very very hard life." - Extract of interview 
> published in International Times, 15 December 1967. 
> 
> Interestingly though, despite his acknowledgement that monks receive no 
> wages, Maharishi himself had a problem with being seen as a beggar:-
> "People had made a rule, that they put some basket there so that people when 
> they come and when they go, they put something in the basket. And I felt very 
> ashamed with that basket on the door and people coming and I said `It is like 
> begging on the door', because it was too odd to me to put a basket in front 
> of my room." - transcript of tape recording.

To my knowledge, MMY never claimed he was a Saint, enlightened or even a Guru. 
I think people need to accept MMY for who he was, based on what he did, not 
some preconceived notion YOU or ME may have, albeit MMY WAS somewhat of a 
enigma but that is perhaps where it ends.

If anything his constant deflection of praise to his Master Guru Dev suggests 
to me the message he was sending was that the Guru Dev was the real power house 
and inspiration behind it all, literally, whether SBS intended it that way or 
not, MMY certainly did!

I've noticed the tmorg has proclaimed him to be Omnipresent, etc. but MMY 
himself never claimed that, nor do I believe he was. He was a simple Yogi, with 
a simple message, for simple minded (ignorant) people, perhaps more than they 
deserved, at least for some!!

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Premanand]

MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the 
people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and happiness, 
and because this has been the message of all the saints in the past, they call 
me saint.
- transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967

On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a 
"bhikhamangaa sadhu" - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue for 
him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that '"Khudaa" (God) is 
frightened of the "mangana" ('beggar') too'

But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev revealed 
the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all, always. Just need 
to access it, however you do that. The argument is not about TM or faith or 
Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about letting go of individual 
mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> >
> > Actually, most hermits, sadhus and swamis in India are perceived as 
> > beggars. In 1967 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi put it like this:-
> > "So there is nothing definite in the life of a monk, particularly in India. 
> > Here in the west the monks are more organized and the church is there and 
> > they take care of it, but in India when one leaves home – he doesn't take 
> > care of himself, because he has no means to take care. He is out of 
> > society; no one asks him to do some work and pays him wages or anything – 
> > nothing. So now he is all in the faith of God – now that he is left with 
> > just his faith. So the life of a monk is a very very hard life." - Extract 
> > of interview published in International Times, 15 December 1967. 
> > 
> > Interestingly though, despite his acknowledgement that monks receive no 
> > wages, Maharishi himself had a problem with being seen as a beggar:-
> > "People had made a rule, that they put some basket there so that people 
> > when they come and when they go, they put something in the basket. And I 
> > felt very ashamed with that basket on the door and people coming and I said 
> > `It is like begging on the door', because it was too odd to me to put a 
> > basket in front of my room." - transcript of tape recording.
> 
> To my knowledge, MMY never claimed he was a Saint, enlightened or even a 
> Guru. I think people need to accept MMY for who he was, based on what he did, 
> not some preconceived notion YOU or ME may have, albeit MMY WAS somewhat of a 
> enigma but that is perhaps where it ends.
> 
> If anything his constant deflection of praise to his Master Guru Dev suggests 
> to me the message he was sending was that the Guru Dev was the real power 
> house and inspiration behind it all, literally, whether SBS intended it that 
> way or not, MMY certainly did!
> 
> I've noticed the tmorg has proclaimed him to be Omnipresent, etc. but MMY 
> himself never claimed that, nor do I believe he was. He was a simple Yogi, 
> with a simple message, for simple minded (ignorant) people, perhaps more than 
> they deserved, at least for some!!
>

[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)

[raunchydog]

It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal declaration that she 
was a non-person? Didn't he vow to not read her posts beyond the message view 
because he's too cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor with 
him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising...again? Pass the popcorn. 
This is going to be fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myknrlmt1Y4

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that
> Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running
> back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's
> compare my characterization of her freakout over "unkempt hair"
> to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > Just as a followup, doncha think it's
> > fascinating that a supposed "feminist"
> > throws away several posts 1) picking a
> > nit about another woman's "unkempt"
> > appearance as if that somehow offended
> > her, and 2) does so by suggesting that
> > it is somehow "inauthentic" for a woman
> > in any era to wear her hair the way she
> > wants to?
> >
> > Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in
> > mind would submit to what the society
> > she lived in (*especially* other women
> > who bitchily criticized her "unkempt"
> > appearance) wanted from her, rather than
> > express her own taste in hairstyles. :-)
> 
> The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what
> she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing
> "Dances With Wolves." (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think
> we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing
> these rants purely on what she was told about the film by
> someone else, as she's done in the past with "Apocalypto" and
> other films.)
> 
> Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note
> that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been
> forced to view the hairstyle of a "slattern" (her term) on another
> woman. Note that this supposed "feminist" wants the right to
> impose *her* ideas of a "proper hairstyle" on another woman.
> 
> Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at "feminist"
> Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past
> said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years
> later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has
> the right to say them about another woman's? Some "feminist."
> 
> > Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly
> > looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
> > the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
> > neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
> > hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
> > wavy.
> >
> > I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept
> > her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
> > most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the
> > impression that she had somehow become wild and savage*
> 
> > She'd been taken in by the tribe
> > when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point
> > she would have had a cultural identity that would have
> > made her grow up never combing her hair and looking
> > like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let
> > her look like that.
> 
> > *That made it appear as though she never combed her
> > hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow
> > her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the
> > Indian women?
> >
> > Even if they couldn't bring themselves to have her
> > wear braids, there was no other way they could find
> > to style her hair so it looked like she took care
> > of it? Loose and flowing could have worked, but
> > there was no reason for it to be *matted and tangled*.
> >
> > Were they afraid she wasn't a good enough actress
> > to put the character across convincingly as not
> > "uptight" unless *her hair was a snarled, dirty-
> > looking mess* to convey how unconstrained and
> > spontaneous she was?
> >
> > Even at her wedding to Dunbar, when she's dressed
> > to the nines in gorgeous festive Indian garb, *her
> > hair looks like a rat's nest*.
>

[FairfieldLife] Red State takes on Tiger woods, Brit Hume and Prays ( Hilarious! )

[do.rflex]

Must see! Jackie and Dunlap at Red State Update talk to Jesus about Buddhists, 
Tiger Woods and FOX's Christian proselytizer Brit Hume...

Take a look: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfO_z5JJEjY

[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)

[TurquoiseB]

Perfect way to end my "posting week," by pointing
out that the *other* self-proclaimed "feminist" on
this forum seems to *agree* with Judy characterizing
another woman as a slut or prostitute *on the basis
of her hairstyle*.

Look up the word "slattern." Note its synonyms: "slut"
and "prostitute." Note definitions such as: "a pros-
titute who attracts customers by walking the streets"
and "a loose woman." 

This from the two "feminists" who suggested that me
pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary-
looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks
otherwise is because of makeup was "misogyny" and
"hatred of women."

The two "feminists" seem to feel that *they* are able
to refer to *another woman* as a "slattern" FOR NO
OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY DON'T LIKE 
HER HAIRCUT. That's not "hatred of women." 
But pointing out that Sarah Palin has to wear a ton 
of makeup to look good on camera is. Go figure. 

Now, having "set the stage" for the meltdown that will
follow today and the early part of next week, I shall
again withdraw and allow the two unpersons to make my
points for me. Have a nice "rest of Friday" folks...I'm
off to Barcelona for the evening while they sit in their
houses and plot their revenge.  :-) :-) :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal 
> declaration that she was a non-person? Didn't he vow to 
> not read her posts beyond the message view because he's too 
> cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor 
> with him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising...
> again? Pass the popcorn. This is going to be fun. 
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that
> > Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running
> > back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's
> > compare my characterization of her freakout over "unkempt hair"
> > to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > Just as a followup, doncha think it's
> > > fascinating that a supposed "feminist"
> > > throws away several posts 1) picking a
> > > nit about another woman's "unkempt"
> > > appearance as if that somehow offended
> > > her, and 2) does so by suggesting that
> > > it is somehow "inauthentic" for a woman
> > > in any era to wear her hair the way she
> > > wants to?
> > >
> > > Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in
> > > mind would submit to what the society
> > > she lived in (*especially* other women
> > > who bitchily criticized her "unkempt"
> > > appearance) wanted from her, rather than
> > > express her own taste in hairstyles. :-)
> > 
> > The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what
> > she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing
> > "Dances With Wolves." (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think
> > we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing
> > these rants purely on what she was told about the film by
> > someone else, as she's done in the past with "Apocalypto" and
> > other films.)
> > 
> > Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note
> > that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been
> > forced to view the hairstyle of a "slattern" (her term) on another
> > woman. Note that this supposed "feminist" wants the right to
> > impose *her* ideas of a "proper hairstyle" on another woman.
> > 
> > Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at "feminist"
> > Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past
> > said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years
> > later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has
> > the right to say them about another woman's? Some "feminist."
> > 
> > > Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly
> > > looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
> > > the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
> > > neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
> > > hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
> > > wavy.
> > >
> > > I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept
> > > her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
> > > most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the
> > > impression that she had somehow become wild and savage*
> > 
> > > She'd been taken in by the tribe
> > > when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point
> > > she would have had a cultural identity that would have
> > > made her grow up never combing her hair and looking
> > > like a slattern*. Her real mother would never have let
> > > her look like that.
> > 
> > > *That made it appear as though she never combed her
> > > hair*? What were the filmmakers thinking *to allow
> > > her to choose to look slovenly*, in contrast to all the
> > > Indian women?
> > >
> > > Even 

[FairfieldLife] How much would you pay to hear Sarah Palin?

[do.rflex]

Is Palin Getting $100,000 to Speak at the Tea Party National Convention?

   This morning, I asked whether Sarah Palin's decision to speak at the
Tea Party National Convention ... had anything to with money.
Conservative blogger Dan Riehl is reporting, based on "forwarded
communications," that Palin is making at least $75,000 and at most
$100,000 for her speech.

Tickets for the speech alone are going for $349 — tickets for the whole
convention are $549.

~~ David Weigel - The Washington Independent 
http://snipurl.com/u0i83   [washingtonindependent_com] 

[FairfieldLife] Is Tea Party.org leader an illiterate racist?

[do.rflex]

'N-Word' Sign Dogs Would-Be Tea Party Leader


"Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar"


Dale Robertson, a Tea Party activist who operates TeaParty.org, is
getting stung for an old photo — taken at the Feb. 27, 2009 Tea
Party in Houston   — in which he holds a
sign reading "Congress = Slaveowner, Taxpayer = Niggar."

After the ResistNet listerv promoted "Liberty Concerts" to be
held by TeaParty.org  , a source passed on
this photo   of Robertson, after
the jump.

Update: Josh Parker of the Houston Tea Party Society tells me that
Robertson was booted out of the event for this sign.


  [teapartypic]



http://snipurl.com/u0ial   [washingtonindependent_com]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[BillyG]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
>
> MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the 
> people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and happiness, 
> and because this has been the message of all the saints in the past, they 
> call me saint.
> - transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
> 
> On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a 
> "bhikhamangaa sadhu" - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue for 
> him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that '"Khudaa" (God) 
> is frightened of the "mangana" ('beggar') too'
> 
> But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev revealed 
> the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all, always. Just need 
> to access it, however you do that. The argument is not about TM or faith or 
> Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about letting go of individual 
> mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.


I appreciate that, but is that all you can find after, what, 50 years?, that 
ONE ambiguous quote?, I think my point standsFWIW.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Premanand]

BillyG, I gave up reseaching Maharishi a long, long time ago. But this quote I 
remembered, having included it in my biography of him. I wasn't actually 
disputing your comments, and am not now.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> >
> > MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the 
> > people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and 
> > happiness, and because this has been the message of all the saints in the 
> > past, they call me saint.
> > - transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
> > 
> > On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a 
> > "bhikhamangaa sadhu" - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue 
> > for him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that '"Khudaa" 
> > (God) is frightened of the "mangana" ('beggar') too'
> > 
> > But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev 
> > revealed the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all, 
> > always. Just need to access it, however you do that. The argument is not 
> > about TM or faith or Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about 
> > letting go of individual mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.
> 
> 
> I appreciate that, but is that all you can find after, what, 50 years?, that 
> ONE ambiguous quote?, I think my point standsFWIW.
>

[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)

[m 13]

I'm looking forward to the day when we are inclusive and have ceased being 
EXclusive.
The state of the heart 
is relevant and not the state of hair.
Perhaps it is my being an artist, but i like the abstractness of a bedhead.
I may even wear sticks, feathers, flowers, or anything that gives me delight in 
my hair.
You may wear your hair anyway you like.
It's okay.
Really.
One day, we will look in our irisses/pupils and see the hearts of entities, and 
not be so mindful of the outside things.
 
-to that day-*clink*(a toast)
 
 
Daisy?(peace offering)
You can put it in your hair.
 
 
 
Love, 
(to all, the smooth and wiry haired)
-M
 


  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Vaj]

On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, BillyG wrote:

> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> >
> > MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives the 
> > people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and 
> > happiness, and because this has been the message of all the saints in the 
> > past, they call me saint.
> > - transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
> > 
> > On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a 
> > "bhikhamangaa sadhu" - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue 
> > for him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that '"Khudaa" 
> > (God) is frightened of the "mangana" ('beggar') too'
> > 
> > But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev 
> > revealed the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all, 
> > always. Just need to access it, however you do that. The argument is not 
> > about TM or faith or Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about 
> > letting go of individual mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.
> 
> I appreciate that, but is that all you can find after, what, 50 years?, that 
> ONE ambiguous quote?, I think my point standsFWIW.


I've heard other quotes of MMY implying or stating that he was enlightened.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Premanand]

Let's be honest, virtually everything Maharishi convinced many of his audience 
that he was a model of 'enlightenment'. He didn't need to come out and say it, 
nor did people notice when he didn't.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, BillyG wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> > >
> > > MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives 
> > > the people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and 
> > > happiness, and because this has been the message of all the saints in the 
> > > past, they call me saint.
> > > - transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
> > > 
> > > On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a 
> > > "bhikhamangaa sadhu" - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue 
> > > for him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that 
> > > '"Khudaa" (God) is frightened of the "mangana" ('beggar') too'
> > > 
> > > But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev 
> > > revealed the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all, 
> > > always. Just need to access it, however you do that. The argument is not 
> > > about TM or faith or Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about 
> > > letting go of individual mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.
> > 
> > I appreciate that, but is that all you can find after, what, 50 years?, 
> > that ONE ambiguous quote?, I think my point standsFWIW.
> 
> 
> I've heard other quotes of MMY implying or stating that he was enlightened.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Premanand]

Let's be honest, Maharishi apparent familiarity with higher states of 
consciousness convinced most of his audience he was a model of 'enlightenment'. 
He didn't need to come out and say it,
nor did people notice when he didn't.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 11:26 AM, BillyG wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Premanand"  wrote:
> > >
> > > MMY: I preach a simple system of transcendental meditation which gives 
> > > the people the insight into life and they begin to enjoy all peace and 
> > > happiness, and because this has been the message of all the saints in the 
> > > past, they call me saint.
> > > - transcript of recording of Maharishi Aug/Sept 1967
> > > 
> > > On the issue of begging, Guru Dev's mother told him not to become a 
> > > "bhikhamangaa sadhu" - 'a sadhu begging for alms'. It became a big issue 
> > > for him, in fact he later quoted the old (Persian?) proverb that 
> > > '"Khudaa" (God) is frightened of the "mangana" ('beggar') too'
> > > 
> > > But yes, Guru Dev was the 'powerhouse' behind MMY. But, as Guru Dev 
> > > revealed the real power is with Paramatma, accessible within us all, 
> > > always. Just need to access it, however you do that. The argument is not 
> > > about TM or faith or Pajanjali or keeping the teaching pure, it is about 
> > > letting go of individual mind and experiencing Paramatma, SatChitAnand.
> > 
> > I appreciate that, but is that all you can find after, what, 50 years?, 
> > that ONE ambiguous quote?, I think my point standsFWIW.
> 
> 
> I've heard other quotes of MMY implying or stating that he was enlightened.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[Vaj]

On Jan 8, 2010, at 12:44 PM, Premanand wrote:

> Let's be honest, virtually everything Maharishi convinced many of his 
> audience that he was a model of 'enlightenment'. He didn't need to come out 
> and say it, nor did people notice when he didn't.

"Around 1997, 121 Pundits came to Stroudsburg, PA (Poconos ) to do an 11 day 
Ati Rudra Maha Yajnam. The center is connected with the Shankaracharya of the 
South who sent a beautiful swami to represent him. The Swami was tall and with 
his danda (sp?) pole reminded me of pictures of Guru Dev. A couple of TM 
Siddhas, friends of mine, had a private audience with the Swami. They asked 
about MMY. He replied that the only thing he heard was : Apparently MMY visited 
the Shankaryacharya some time ago. And after MMY had left, the Shankaracharya 
commented to the Swami that MMY's mind was a complete mess, a supermarket, not 
quiet at all." 
 
It's one thing to talk about silence, it's another to actually embody it.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Cold weather and new YFfers?

[Bhairitu]

cardemaister wrote:
> Just read that Sweden's running out of electricity because
> of the cold weather! :0
>
>
>   
Just cozy up to the TV and watch a copy of Danny Boyle's "Sunshine".  :-D

[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>

> 
> This from the two "feminists" who suggested that me
> pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary-
> looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks
> otherwise is because of makeup was "misogyny" and
> "hatred of women."
> 

I'm "afraid" without makeup most Caucasian women look 
rather like -- as the saying goes at least hereabouts --
 "grey sparrows". :/

That might not be true in the case, say, Spanish women...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[WillyTex]

> > The 'Fairey Tales' of Western cultures have nothing to
> > do with Yoga or Transcendental Knowledge, found in the
> > Upanishads and in the Vedanta. 
> >
Vaj wrote:
>
> Actually there are many parallels in Western (and really 
> world) Fairy tales, with Vedic deva- and angiris-lore. 
>
The instances you cite have nothing to do with Patanjali's
'Yoga Sutras', in Chapter Three, which describe the 'siddhis'.

Apparently nodody in the Western Hemisphere even knew anything
about the 'Eightfold Path' until the time of Vivekananda in 
nineteenth century. Maybe you should ceck the definition 
for 'Yoga" and 'Siddhis'.

> Also notice the similarity to modern ET abduction 
> experiences, where they are considered spiritual experiences 
> (as opposed to provocations). 
>
Siddha Yoga has nothing to do with the intervention of a
demi-urge for feats of supernormal power. Siddha Yoga is
based on self-knowledge - there is no 'God of Yoga'. The
term Yoga implies self-generated, 'transcendental' knowledge.

> Since you seem to like to read, try 
> reading Rev. Kirk's account of the fairy-lore in Scotland, 
> The Secret Commonwealth. I'd bet you'd enjoy it, if you 
> were open enough?
>
According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic Yoga 
are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and other
techniques of ecstasy are documented among other Indo-European
people, "Yoga is to be found only in India and in cultures
influenced by Indian spirituality" (102).  

Works cited:

'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom'
by Mircea Eliade
Princeton University Press, 1970

'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy'
by Mircea Eliade
Princeton University Press; 2004

[FairfieldLife] Religion is science, science is religion

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_NEVazvsOk

[FairfieldLife] How much money do you have, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi? January 24, 1985, Washington,

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLgpbED-5yM&feature=channel

[FairfieldLife] Who was your hero Maharishi Mahesh Yogi?

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sBK1zg6cEo&feature=channel

[FairfieldLife] Why haven't we heard of Transcendental Meditation (TM)?

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qE5a017uXe4&feature=channel

[FairfieldLife] Help Maharishi School win $100,000 --- Forgive the duplication and cross-posting.

[michael]

 
 
Re: 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
>    
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: John Stewart & his team discuss Tiger Woods' religion

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"
 wrote:
>
> I don't understand why people feel Tiger needs any help whatsoever,
let alone any ridicule. What we have here is a double standard. John F
Kennedy cheated on his wife, and people all over the country to this day
are still regarding him as one of the most monumental presidents of all
time. Bill Clinton helped campaign for Barack Obama, and Bill was
cheered on like a big time hero in large crowds of democratic voters in
2008. Obama, Bush, and Clinton have all admitted to or at least been in
trouble for the use of illegal drugs at some point in their lives. These
are all leaders of our country who make worldwide decisions that impact
lives of billions of people. But we don't care, we only care about
Tiger.>

The modern world has become more and more prudish in some ways
(especially in America ) I'm not saying that's a bad thing, I don't
really know. Its hard to judge the complexities of it. I've never
cheated on anyone, but I don't see the big deal. Men are men, and women
are women, and the future it seems will be full of men with their balls
cut off at an early age? This is the one aspect of modern life I think I
am still a more little 'old school' about.

> What about the morality of all other actors, politicians and sports
heros throughout our country? David Letterman seems to be doing fine
very shortly after his ordeal. But for some reason we focus on Tiger
instead. I thought maybe because he's black. But I think it's more so
because everyone thought he was an absolute goody two shoes, and
everyone is loving it when they see someone with that image fall from
grace. >
>
> As far as TM and moral reasoning goes, I am fully aware that a few of
the heavy hitters within the TMO have slept with other peoples wives, or
at least attempted to.>>

Very few per capita though. However, Fairfield had the highest divorce
rate in Iowa in the 1990's, but as a friend pointed out, "I wonder what
the domestic violence rate was outside of Fairfield."

-- OffWorld





<
> seekliberation
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" dhamiltony2k5@
wrote:
> >
> > Redeeming Tiger:
> >
> > II.1 Mortification, study and surrendering the fruits of work to God
are called Yoga.
> >
> > Well, writing as a conservative meditator, I would remind poor Tiger
of the old axiom, "Tiger, what you put your attention on certainly grows
stronger in life." Not just showing up in the dome or some zen center on
whim of high holiday but being a practicing disciplined meditator has
the clear scientific benefit of improving traditional `moral reasoning',
as John Hagelin does have power point slide charts to show. I'd urge
Tiger in his fallen state of being now to directly get right with
meditation. To come back to true meditation.
> >
> > Dharana, Dhyana, Samadhi.
> >
> > As he may notice his mind is off, then come back to the silence, the
Dhyanna, without comment and let the redemptive Samadhi of nature fill
this earthly soul. For, `whether pure or impure whoever so opens
themselves to the expanded vision of unbounded awareness gains inner and
outer purity'. This wisdom of the integration of life is incredibly
compassionate, redemptive. Come back to meditation. "Please come, take
this flower, sit here, and let's close the eyes…"
> >
> > it will take some work, called spiritual discipline. Surrender
yourself, sit with someone who can check your meditation. Dharshan.
There is no time like the present. "Shake off that faint-heartedness",
Come to meditation.
> >
> > Jai Adi Shankara,
> > -Doug in FF
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > John Stewart and The Best F**king Theological Team helps Tiger
Woods
> > > find forgiveness by recommending the best religion for his
redemption:
> > >
> > >
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-january-4-2010/the-best-f--king-ne\
\
> > > ws-team-ever---tiger-woods--faith
> > >
 > > ews-team-ever---tiger-woods--faith>
> > >
> > > Hilarious, especially the reporter checking in from Pandora.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Global Chilling

[Bhairitu]

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Snow and blustery winds blew into the already-frigid 
East on Friday and drivers as far south as Georgia were urged to stay 
off icy roads.
More...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34764240/ns/weather/

And it is raining here and it wasn't even forecast.  It can rain all it 
wants.  I want it to rain on the water Nazi's plans to declare a 
drought.   Last year they declared a drought in California and then had 
to cancel it when late rains ended their parade.  I suspect the same 
thing may happen this year even without late rains.

Things should warm up again in 2012 when the sun goes into another storm 
cycle which could be interesting as we now have much more electronics 
than the last time and some of those were knocked out.

[FairfieldLife] Now the TSA wants to read your mind

[Bhairitu]

So walk through the airport meditating.  That ought to flummox it.  ;-)
http://rawstory.com/2010/01/tsa-funding-airport-mindreading/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[WillyTex]

PaliGap wrote:
> The "categorical imperative" was the central 
> plank of Kant's moral philosophy, not 
> epistemology...
>
Yes, I stand corrected, it was Kant's 'theory of 
knowledge', the thing-in-itself, that I meant to 
mention, according to Kant in his 'Critique of 
Pure Reason'. Kant argued that there are synthetic 
'a priori' truths. 

My point is that statements of 'soul' and 'self'
mentioned by the Turq, are speculative in nature
and so cannot be addressed by the human mind since
they are not based on sense perceptions. 

Apparently the Turq read about the 'reincarnating' 
'soul-monad' in a book, or he was told it. He has 
never seen the 'soul', otherwise he would have 
been able to describe it and to locate it in space 
and in time. It doesn't prove causation to relate
his experience of being a reincarnated soul-monad,
because of the factor of suggestibility.

It has already been established by the Turq himself
that the 'TM Program' and the 'Rama Program' left 
him and many others highly suggestible to the point 
of being almost 'brainwashed'. 

So, Turq may have 'thought' he saw feats of real 
levitation and 'thought' he remembered his previous 
lives when, in reality, the Turq was programmed 
by his teachers to a very great extent to believe
such things.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "PaliGap"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> 
> > St. Thomas Aquinas was able to levitate as well, although this is not 
> > generally known to people within or without the Christian church.
> >
> 
> I was watching an interesting program about the art
> of Spain recently (there was a wonderful depiction of
> Cordoba and what seemed to be it's idyllic and tolerant
> society in the Muslim early years).
> 
> In the course of the programme Andrew Graham-Dixon
> visited the monastery of the "levitating nun" María
> de Agreda. 
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar%C3%ADa_de_Agreda
> 
> A devout practitioner of quiet prayer, she was
> known to experience religious ecstasy after receiving
> the sacraments...
> 
> ...even as a young girl she was filled with divine
> knowledge
> 
> ...Throughout her life, Maria de Agreda was inclined to
> the "internal prayer" or "quiet prayer" for which the
> Franciscans are noted. Like her countrywoman St. Teresa
> of Avila, these prayerful experiences inevitably led to
> her ecstasies, including witnessed accounts of levitation
> 
> It would be interesting to know more about her "quiet
> prayer"!
> 
> (The programme "The Art Of Spain" was very good I thought.
> But I don't think it's available now on the BBC iPlayer).
>

She was an interesting lady, no doubt.  I've never heard of her before.  We 
wonder why there appear to be many saints from Spain.  Was it the culture at 
the time that brought it about?  Or, was it the Spanish language itself that 
caused it?  Maybe the Castillian pronunciation has a special sound quality for 
levitation..."pero solo conseguin hacerme recordar los tuyos..."(guess where 
this line comes from!)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Global Chilling

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> COLUMBUS, Ohio - Snow and blustery winds blew into the already-frigid 
> East on Friday and drivers as far south as Georgia were urged to stay 
> off icy roads.
> More...
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34764240/ns/weather/
> 
> And it is raining here and it wasn't even forecast.  It can rain all it 
> wants.  I want it to rain on the water Nazi's plans to declare a 
> drought.   Last year they declared a drought in California and then had 
> to cancel it when late rains ended their parade.  I suspect the same 
> thing may happen this year even without late rains.
> 
> Things should warm up again in 2012 when the sun goes into another storm 
> cycle which could be interesting as we now have much more electronics 
> than the last time and some of those were knocked out.
>

The sun seems very odd though right now:
http://tinyurl.com/y8a7euk

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> PaliGap wrote:
> > The "categorical imperative" was the central 
> > plank of Kant's moral philosophy, not 
> > epistemology...
> >
> Yes, I stand corrected, it was Kant's 'theory of 
> knowledge', the thing-in-itself, that I meant to 
> mention, according to Kant in his 'Critique of 
> Pure Reason'. Kant argued that there are synthetic 
> 'a priori' truths. 
> 
> My point is that statements of 'soul' and 'self'
> mentioned by the Turq, are speculative in nature
> and so cannot be addressed by the human mind since
> they are not based on sense perceptions. 

But as you've just stated, Kant believed in "synthetic 
'a priori' truths"?

Translation: non-trivial truths that are not "based on
sense perceptions".

If Kant can do it, why can't I? Or Barry?
 
> Apparently the Turq read about the 'reincarnating' 
> 'soul-monad' in a book, or he was told it. He has 
> never seen the 'soul', otherwise he would have 
> been able to describe it and to locate it in space 
> and in time. It doesn't prove causation to relate
> his experience of being a reincarnated soul-monad,
> because of the factor of suggestibility.
> 
> It has already been established by the Turq himself
> that the 'TM Program' and the 'Rama Program' left 
> him and many others highly suggestible to the point 
> of being almost 'brainwashed'. 
> 
> So, Turq may have 'thought' he saw feats of real 
> levitation and 'thought' he remembered his previous 
> lives when, in reality, the Turq was programmed 
> by his teachers to a very great extent to believe
> such things.
>

[FairfieldLife] TM on ABC Nightline TONIGHT

[Rick Archer]

Watch tonight on ABC Nightline at 11:35 p.m. ET!
 
Appears to be quite positive...after the show there may be many comments
from "everywhere"! 
 
 

  


http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/transcendental-meditation-vedic-city-iowa/st
ory?id=9218475 


 


Transcendental Meditation Thrives in Iowa


Adherents of Transcendental Meditation Have Called Hawkeye State Home Since
'70s


By JOHN BERMAN and MAGGIE BURBANK

Jan. 8, 2010 -
 
When you think of Iowa, you think of cornfields, you think of caucuses, you
think of old-fashioned country-living.
Chances are, you don't think of meditation
  and communal living.
Welcome to Maharishi Vedic City, Iowa -- the only city in the country built
on the tenets of transcendental meditation
 , for
meditators, by meditators.
Meg and Erik Vigmostad moved here from St. Louis in 1982.
"We wanted to come to a meditating community," said Meg Vigmostad. "We had
two children at the time, one of them was an infant, and we felt like it was
the best place to bring up our children
 ."
Watch the full story tonight on  
"Nightline" at 11:35 p.m. ET
Vigmostad acknowledged that the couple's families thought they were "crazy"
for making the move. Crazy, because those words, "transcendental
meditation," sound, well, different. Many people first heard of
transcendental meditation, or TM, in the 1960s, when the Beatles started
following Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the official founder of TM.
"Transcendental meditation is a simple technique practiced for about 15-20
minutes sitting comfortably in a chair with the eyes closed," said Bob Roth,
a national director of the TM program. "It allows the body to get a profound
state of rest while the mind just settles down and experiences a state of
inner wakefulness, inner calm, inner coherence."
The followers of Mahesh Yogi -- mostly from East and West Coast universities
-- moved to Iowa en masse in 1974 to set up their own college, the Maharishi
University of Management. The group chose Iowa because that is where they
could find the land.
Now the settlement features two huge domes, one for men and one for women,
with residents streaming in to meditate together twice a day.
But at the university and in the city, the commitment to Vedic principles of
natural law and balance, derived from ancient Sanskrit texts, goes far
beyond meditation. The community has banned the sale of nonorganic food
within its boundaries. And that's not all.
"The primary characteristics of Vedic architecture, the most obvious one, is
that ideally, buildings face east, the direction of the rising sun," said
Jon Lipman, the country's leading Vedic architect.
 
'Greater Happiness'
Lipman says the buildings at the university and most new houses in town are
constructed in line with ancient precepts.
"Just like the organs in the human body, there is a right place for
different kinds of functions within a building," Lipman said.
"And so, a kitchen is typically in one location. A living room in a house is
typically in another location."
Every Vedic building has a silent core known as a Bramastan, which is lit by
a skylight and is never walked on. Lipman claims miraculous effects.
"The results are that, families find that their lives are improved, that
there's greater family harmony, that there is greater financial success,
there's greater happiness," said Lipman. "There are many many cases where
members of a family had disharmony between them, and it dissolved when they
moved into a Vedic home. There are many cases where even such things as
chronic diseases were abated by moving into a Vedic home."
Lipman said "it's a real challenge" to be poor, unhappy or unhealthy if you
live in a Vedic building.
The Vigmostads live in a Vedic house, and seem like happy customers.
"It feels harmonious, it feels orderly, there's a lot of silence here that
was definitely not in our other house that we owned," said Meg Vigmostad.
The talk of order and inner peace might sound unbelievable. But it is also
the work of Vedic City to make it all ... believable. Fred Travis, director
of a university facility called the Center for Brain Consciousness and
Cognition, demonstrated an EEG monitor of neurological electrical activity
that he said shows that TM makes the brain more organized.
"What this is measuring is the electrical activity of the brain," Travis
explained as a member of the community hooked up to the machine sat and
meditated.
"You see this one going up and down?" Travis said, pointed to a gauge. "Look
at the one next to it. It goes up and down in a similar way. This is called
coherence. When the similarity of two signatures are very close, it suggests
those two parts of the brain are working together.
Neurologist Gary Kaplan, a proponent of TM, said such "coherence" will br

[FairfieldLife] Bhuutajaya in Vlodrop?

[cardemaister]

I hope siddhas in Vlodrop next week (12th - 15th) shall
use bhuuta-jaya-siddhi, or something, to warm up the
weather in Europe at least by about 10 degrees of Celsius... : / 

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[FairfieldLife] "Avatar", as seen through the eyes of Shemp

[ShempMcGurk]

Wonderful, wonderful movie.

I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a study 
that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished:

http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/ocean-absorption-co2-not-shrinking

"Avatar" is the story of Gaia, the idea that the Earth is a living organism 
and, as such, can adjust itself and its equalibrium as the make-up of various 
elements in its atmosphere change.  More CO2? Why, the ecosystem adjusts itself 
accordingly. Adaptation. Just like the skin on your arm adjusts when it is cut: 
it heals itself.

The Na'Vi represent Gaia.

The military represents the catastrophic man-made global warming movement, 
particularly in the person of Col. Miles Quaritch, who is pro-fear and 
anti-science.  Quaritch personifies Al Gore, the most evil man in America today.

Jake Sully represents reason as well as man acknowledging the power and 
balancing ability of nature. The best parallel to today's situation would be 
that Sully represents someone like Senator Inhofe.

So when Al Gore (the military) tries to upset the natural order of things, it 
took a brave soul like Sully (Sen. Inhofe) to fight the fear and irrationality 
of Al Gore and the global warming movement.

Good ultimately triumphs over evil.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Walking on Water as a Siddhi

[dhamiltony2k5]

 
> 
> But to claim that something *you haven't even exper-
> ienced* is "Truth" because you BELIEVE it is, or 
> because you read it in a book you consider "Truth?"
> That's the absolute *absence* of humility.
> 
>

Yes, discernment. 

"By giving up even these powers comes the destruction of the very seed of evil, 
which leads to Kaivalya." III 51.

11  "There is no law of place; wherever the mind is concentrated, there worship 
should be performed."

Remember, a meditator's strength flows from the Transcendent, then strong will 
thou Be.

Jai Adi Shankara,
-D in FF

RE: [FairfieldLife] "Avatar", as seen through the eyes of Shemp

[Rick Archer]

From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:30 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] "Avatar", as seen through the eyes of Shemp
 
  
>I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a
study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished:
Google "ocean's ability to absorb CO2" and all you see are studies saying
that it's ability is diminishing: http://tinyurl.com/yawgtug
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: "Avatar", as seen through the eyes of Shemp

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of ShempMcGurk
> Sent: Friday, January 08, 2010 6:30 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] "Avatar", as seen through the eyes of Shemp
>  
>   
> >I thought it appropriate that the movie came out in the same month as a
> study that showed the ocean's ability to absorb CO2 has not diminished:
> Google "ocean's ability to absorb CO2" and all you see are studies saying
> that it's ability is diminishing: http://tinyurl.com/yawgtug
>


You obviously didn't read the link I supplied.

Why are you so eager to see the world destroyed, Rick?

[FairfieldLife] Re: How much would you pay to hear Sarah Palin?

[suziezuzie]

Lets not forget, if Palin had been the front runner candidate for president 
instead of McCain, she would have been president. Its alright though, because 
in 2012, she will.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Is Palin Getting $100,000 to Speak at the Tea Party National Convention?
> 
>This morning, I asked whether Sarah Palin's decision to speak at the
> Tea Party National Convention ... had anything to with money.
> Conservative blogger Dan Riehl is reporting, based on "forwarded
> communications," that Palin is making at least $75,000 and at most
> $100,000 for her speech.
> 
> Tickets for the speech alone are going for $349 — tickets for the whole
> convention are $549.
> 
> ~~ David Weigel - The Washington Independent 
> http://snipurl.com/u0i83   [washingtonindependent_com]
>

[FairfieldLife] Judy's Hair Club For Women (was Re: 'Avatar' arouses conservatives' ire)

[jeff.evans60]

Judy's Native American name may indeed be splitting hairs !

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> Perfect way to end my "posting week," by pointing
> out that the *other* self-proclaimed "feminist" on
> this forum seems to *agree* with Judy characterizing
> another woman as a slut or prostitute *on the basis
> of her hairstyle*.
> 
> Look up the word "slattern." Note its synonyms: "slut"
> and "prostitute." Note definitions such as: "a pros-
> titute who attracts customers by walking the streets"
> and "a loose woman." 
> 
> This from the two "feminists" who suggested that me
> pointing out that IMO Sarah Palin is a very ordinary-
> looking woman and that the only reason anyone thinks
> otherwise is because of makeup was "misogyny" and
> "hatred of women."
> 
> The two "feminists" seem to feel that *they* are able
> to refer to *another woman* as a "slattern" FOR NO
> OTHER REASON THAN THAT THEY DON'T LIKE 
> HER HAIRCUT. That's not "hatred of women." 
> But pointing out that Sarah Palin has to wear a ton 
> of makeup to look good on camera is. Go figure. 
> 
> Now, having "set the stage" for the meltdown that will
> follow today and the early part of next week, I shall
> again withdraw and allow the two unpersons to make my
> points for me. Have a nice "rest of Friday" folks...I'm
> off to Barcelona for the evening while they sit in their
> houses and plot their revenge.  :-) :-) :-)
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
> >
> > It's all about Judyagain. Didn't Barry make a formal 
> > declaration that she was a non-person? Didn't he vow to 
> > not read her posts beyond the message view because he's too 
> > cowardly to admit to himself how badly she mops the floor 
> > with him EVERY TIME? Now he's cruising for a bruising...
> > again? Pass the popcorn. This is going to be fun. 
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > This followup to a followup is just for fun, because we all know that
> > > Judy is out there somewhere, chomping at the bit to come running
> > > back to FFL and call me a LIAR for saying the things below. Let's
> > > compare my characterization of her freakout over "unkempt hair"
> > > to her *actual words* on the subject, shall we?
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just as a followup, doncha think it's
> > > > fascinating that a supposed "feminist"
> > > > throws away several posts 1) picking a
> > > > nit about another woman's "unkempt"
> > > > appearance as if that somehow offended
> > > > her, and 2) does so by suggesting that
> > > > it is somehow "inauthentic" for a woman
> > > > in any era to wear her hair the way she
> > > > wants to?
> > > >
> > > > Presumably the ideal woman Judy has in
> > > > mind would submit to what the society
> > > > she lived in (*especially* other women
> > > > who bitchily criticized her "unkempt"
> > > > appearance) wanted from her, rather than
> > > > express her own taste in hairstyles. :-)
> > > 
> > > The following -- emphasis mine but the words Judy's -- is what
> > > she actually *said* about Mary McDonnell's hair after seeing
> > > "Dances With Wolves." (*IF* she ever saw it, that is...I think
> > > we all know there is a possibility she never did, and is basing
> > > these rants purely on what she was told about the film by
> > > someone else, as she's done in the past with "Apocalypto" and
> > > other films.)
> > > 
> > > Note the...uh...lack of equanimity in the following quotes. Note
> > > that Judy is almost *out of control* with anger at having been
> > > forced to view the hairstyle of a "slattern" (her term) on another
> > > woman. Note that this supposed "feminist" wants the right to
> > > impose *her* ideas of a "proper hairstyle" on another woman.
> > > 
> > > Ponder its meaning and have as much fun laughing at "feminist"
> > > Judy as I have. Doncha get the feeling that someone in her past
> > > said all of these things to Judy about *her* hair, and now years
> > > later she is still so programmed by that as to feel that she has
> > > the right to say them about another woman's? Some "feminist."
> > > 
> > > > Yeah, but my point was that *her hair was just slovenly
> > > > looking*. *You'd think if she wanted so badly to belong to
> > > > the Lakota culture, she'd have found a way to keep it
> > > > neat*. You can make perfectly good braids with curly
> > > > hair, and hers wasn't all *that* curly, really just
> > > > wavy.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know, maybe they thought the *messy hair* kept
> > > > her from looking too glamorous. But she was by far the
> > > > most prominent woman in the film, and *it gave the
> > > > impression that she had somehow become wild and savage*
> > > 
> > > > She'd been taken in by the tribe
> > > > when she was a little girl. *I don't think at that point
> > > > she would have had a cultural identity that would have
> > > > made her grow up never combi