[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[metoostill]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:35 PM, metoostill wrote:
> 
> > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu features large, as you  
> > pointed out yourself, proposing meaning, as I had. Vishnu features  
> > so large that they are in fact dualists and not, like adherents of  
> > advaita, non-dualists.
> 
> Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> 
> In the TM puja, invoking Shankara's lineage, we start with Vishnu and  
> Narayana.
>
Vaj, to say Shankara was the most famous Vaishnava is sort of like saying Jesus 
was the most famous Jew.  While true, it doesn't add to an understanding of 
either Christianity or Judaism, and nor does mixing Shankara with Vaishnavism, 
MMY's grab bag of Hindu beliefs and techniques and his TM puja aside.  I assume 
you know that cold, and just like being cantankerous, no real harm there I 
suppose, jump in whenever you like.  Worship of Vishnu became widespread about 
700 years after Shankara died, although Vaishnavas are certain to respond to 
that like MMY would to the thought that TM is less than timelessly ancient.

I assume you also know that Shankara is credited with lots of famous verses, 
hymns, and commentaries, and that it is widely assumed that he wrote some but 
not all of that corpus.  Like a one hit wonder rock band who then had a long 
career based on that one great song, and whose personnel the record company who 
owns the rights to the name often replaced with other less talented musicians 
to keep the music playing, the Shankara who wrote the introduction to and 
commentary on the first 4 verses of the Brahma Sutras (Shankara's greatest hit) 
in all likelihood wrote some but not all of the other work attributed to him.  

Most questionable are works that take a position in contra to the ones in the 
works that made him famous.  WIthout passing judgement on the merit of the 
other work or its authenticity, it is enough to say that the work that is 
startling for its lucid summary of the notions of advaita is the one that 
occasions his name carrying the kind of implied endorsement that is sought when 
his name is invoked.  Like in the TM puja, as you point out, or that picture of 
the "masters of the holy tradition" that MMY had painted with Shankara and some 
other famous and respected figures all circling above his head in a line 
leading down to him.

As Willy points out, both ISKCON and Wiki can give a good primer, but for 
myself I think that getting your hands on Shankara's introduction to and 
commentary on the first 4 sutras of the Brahma Sutras is the best way to go to 
the source, and really a great read.  His views on yoga, on ritual, and on 
revelation as opposed to yogic perception as a valid means of gaining knowledge 
are both surprising after all those years of SCI, and "awesome", although it 
should be said, not nearly as awesome as what you see when you wake up every 
morning.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[lurkernomore20002000]

Yes, I do like that idea.  And I also liked what Bhaitu said earlier about 
privledged doctors, excessive tests, entrenched interests.  Nothing new, but 
just boiled down nicely.  We seem to be the only country where it is such a 
politicized issue, or at least to this extent.  Yea, a referendum sounds great.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people to represent 
> us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected 
> representatives to make the important decisions for us.
> 
> But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably 
> represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of 
> parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
> 
> The healthcare debate is one such example.
> 
> What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a "yes" or 
> "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national level.  And the 
> question should be something to the effect:
> 
> "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United 
> States?"
> 
> And then let the games begin.
> 
> Enough already with the nuances, compromises, and all the crap that is 
> happening.  Let the people decide once and for all.  Enough with this 
> on-going debate.
> 
> What do you folks think?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , off_world_beings 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > >   > , "ShempMcGurk" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people
> to
> > > represent us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I
> trust
> > > our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us.
> > > >
> > > > But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to
> capably
> > > represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and
> > > thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
> > > >
> > > > The healthcare debate is one such example.
> > > >
> > > > What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a
> "yes"
> > > or "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national
> level.
> > > And the question should be something to the effect:
> > > >
> > > > "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the
> United
> > > States?">
> > >
> > > You would lose that vote.
> > > But the question should only be "Do you want to be able to be part
> of a
> > > public option that can compete with the insurance industry?" ---
> since
> > > that is the most radical thing Obama has proposed. He never proposed
> a
> > > single payer system. You have been brain-washed.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I never said he did propose such a thing.>
> 
> Why would anyone have such a vote then? It seems a completely random
> question un-related to any current topic that anyone is talking about.
> Why not just have a vote asking "should we make dogfood so that it glows
> in the dark when it comes out the other end of the dog?"
> 
> >
> > I am proposing such a thing, turd brain.
> >
> > And, hey, where is your response to the research I did showing that
> what you said about Ron Paul was full of shit?
> >
> > Are you avoiding it?>
> 
> I didn't see it. You post too much in your desperate attempt for
> attention. Post it again. But I am not discussing anything with someone
> who's best response is 'turd-brain'.
> 
> Over and out.
> 
> OffWorld
>


Oh, I see.  So you can call me "brain-washed" and all the other invectives in 
all the other posts you spew towards me but you get all huffy and puffy and 
weepy like a high school dilletante because I called you "turd-brain"?

Truth be told, you're just using that as an excuse not to respond to the 
research.

And it's not that difficult to find as I posted it within the last 24 
hours...ON A THREAD YOU YOURSELF WERE POSTING ON.

But if you're too scared to go and face it, here's the summary:

I WAS RIGHT AND YOU WERE WRONG.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for initiating 2 million students

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > 
> > > snip
> > >  
> > > > Sorry, I don't really want to sound so cynical and negative.  Indeed, 
> > > > 35 years ago I truly believed Maharishi could pull off things like this 
> > > > because the TMO did indeed present itself -- 
> > > 
> > > snip
> > > 
> > > Relax. Maharishi's devotees are doing it, big time. I happen to know that 
> > > everything Maharishis promised, down to the smallest detail, will be 
> > > fulfilled in due time. Every detail ! 
> > > 
> > > He did indeed create heaven on earth as a seed; now His students are 
> > > fulfilling that promise.
> > > 
> > > Don't feel bad about jumping The Ship; you are always welcome back.
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > Funny, but I always felt that everyone else in the Movement -- in other 
> > words, nutcase fanatics like you, Nabby -- had jumped ship and that it was 
> > I who was the one who did the TM Program as it was originally presented.
> 
> 
> I know this is your thinking, you've said so before on numerous occasions. 
> Nothing wrong about that whatsoever. Whoever took Maharishi seriously and 
> simply did what you did is in my book a hero. One could write volumes about 
> this, as it will be. 
> 


Well, I'm speechless, Nabby.

Thank you for your very kind words.  I appreciate it.



> His project was and is so infinitely large. If someone took one little piece 
> of that infinite project seriously in his own life; all glory to him !
> 
> > 
> 
> > When I was a little boy and would do something my mother didn't like I 
> > would often protest that I was right.  And be stubborn about it.  My mother 
> > would reply: "Sure.  You're right and the rest of the world is wrong."  How 
> > prophetic she was.
> 
> Your mother was a hero too. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha Avatar not so great !

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "lurkernomore20002000"
 wrote:
>
> Off, I am betting, and am pretty sure, that you saw Avatar 3-4 times
just to be sure that you really hated it, and to make sure you didn't
miss any of the ways in which you hated it.

I saw it once. It's shite.

OffWorld

>
>  off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> > Yea, and I love that it was Cameron's ex-wife that won the Oscar for
> > Best Picture !
> > Sweet revenge to all those morons who thought Avatar was more than a
> > pocahontas movie with more glitz.
> > It is like watching a bad TV series with some cool effectsd (which
hhave
> > been done before - see the Imax movie about the ocean in 3D at an
Imax
> > theatre - much more impressive, because it is real and even though
it is
> > way older.)
> >
> > OffWorld
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , "ShempMcGurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people
to
> > represent us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I
trust
> > our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us.
> > >
> > > But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to
capably
> > represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and
> > thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
> > >
> > > The healthcare debate is one such example.
> > >
> > > What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a
"yes"
> > or "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national
level.
> > And the question should be something to the effect:
> > >
> > > "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the
United
> > States?">
> >
> > You would lose that vote.
> > But the question should only be "Do you want to be able to be part
of a
> > public option that can compete with the insurance industry?" ---
since
> > that is the most radical thing Obama has proposed. He never proposed
a
> > single payer system. You have been brain-washed.
>
>
>
>
> I never said he did propose such a thing.>

Why would anyone have such a vote then? It seems a completely random
question un-related to any current topic that anyone is talking about.
Why not just have a vote asking "should we make dogfood so that it glows
in the dark when it comes out the other end of the dog?"

>
> I am proposing such a thing, turd brain.
>
> And, hey, where is your response to the research I did showing that
what you said about Ron Paul was full of shit?
>
> Are you avoiding it?>

I didn't see it. You post too much in your desperate attempt for
attention. Post it again. But I am not discussing anything with someone
who's best response is 'turd-brain'.

Over and out.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , "ShempMcGurk" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people to
> represent us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust
> our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us.
> >
> > But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably
> represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and
> thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
> >
> > The healthcare debate is one such example.
> >
> > What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a "yes"
> or "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national level. 
> And the question should be something to the effect:
> >
> > "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United
> States?">
> 
> You would lose that vote.
> But the question should only be "Do you want to be able to be part of a
> public option that can compete with the insurance industry?" --- since
> that is the most radical thing Obama has proposed. He never proposed a
> single payer system. You have been brain-washed.




I never said he did propose such a thing.

I am proposing such a thing, turd brain.

And, hey, where is your response to the research I did showing that what you 
said about Ron Paul was full of shit?

Are you avoiding it?



> And you would lose the vote, so I am all for a referendum. You have been
> brain-washed by your silly right wing talking points blogs if you think
> you would win either of these votes.
> 
> Besides, the Republican, Neocon, Fundie Christian fanatics, and their
> UberLords would likely fix the vote anyway, like they did in the 2000
> and 2004 elections.
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> You are aware that isn't one of the issues on the
> table, right? So what would be the point?
> 




My personal choice; what I would like to see.





> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
> >
> > I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people to 
> > represent us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our 
> > elected representatives to make the important decisions for us.
> > 
> > But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably 
> > represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust 
> > of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
> > 
> > The healthcare debate is one such example.
> > 
> > What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a "yes" or 
> > "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national level.  And the 
> > question should be something to the effect:
> > 
> > "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United 
> > States?"
> > 
> > And then let the games begin.
> > 
> > Enough already with the nuances, compromises, and all the crap that is 
> > happening.  Let the people decide once and for all.  Enough with this 
> > on-going debate.
> > 
> > What do you folks think?
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
> I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people to
represent us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust
our elected representatives to make the important decisions for us.
>
> But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably
represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and
thrust of parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
>
> The healthcare debate is one such example.
>
> What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a "yes"
or "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national level. 
And the question should be something to the effect:
>
> "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United
States?">

You would lose that vote.
But the question should only be "Do you want to be able to be part of a
public option that can compete with the insurance industry?" --- since
that is the most radical thing Obama has proposed. He never proposed a
single payer system. You have been brain-washed.
And you would lose the vote, so I am all for a referendum. You have been
brain-washed by your silly right wing talking points blogs if you think
you would win either of these votes.

Besides, the Republican, Neocon, Fundie Christian fanatics, and their
UberLords would likely fix the vote anyway, like they did in the 2000
and 2004 elections.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "WillyTex" 
wrote:
>
> > > > However he is fervently anti-war...
> > > >
> > > Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan.
> > >
> Bhairitu:
> > With the majority in 2001...
> >
> So, Ron Paul is not 'fervently' anti-war.
>

No-one said he was anti-war. I said is not a WARMONGER such as Bush.
He voted with the international community for a well co-ordinated and
rational response in Gulf War I and in Afghanisthan. He is very
rational. This is not warmongering, this is rational action based on
international consensus.
He voted against the unilateral, illegal and absolutley foolish and
irrational Iraq war which the warmngers Bush and Cheney forced through.
(Obama was also against the Iraq war.) There is a difference between
someone who supports international action in a rational and co-ordinated
unified response to an attack like in Gulf War I.
But a 'warmonger' is someone who attacks a country that has not attacked
them and thinks they can go it alone in their macho stupidity and win
and solve all problems. The latter is Bush, Cheney and you.

Ron Paul is not a warmonger. Bush/Cheney are. It is simple and obvious.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "WillyTex" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > However he is fervently anti-war...
> > > >
> > > Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan.
> > >
> off:
> > Which shows he is rational when it counts...
> >
> Ron Paul voted 'yes' on the 1991 Gulf War. He
> voted 'yes' on the invasion of Afghanistan.>

Yes, he is very mainstream. He will make a great leader of the
Republican party.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[Buck]

> > >
> > > "Make sure your idea is clear and focused.  You should be 
> > > able to describe the charity's purpose and mission in a 
> > > single sentence." -The Nonprofit Handbook  -Grobman
> > 
> > "We want the world to live in peace, harmony, and
> > eternal enlightened bliss, while paying us for the 
> > privilege of belng able to experience it."
> > 
> > How's that?
> >
> 
> In form, it's a good start.
> 
> "Three elements of a Good Mission Statement:
> 
> 1 A mission statement should be no more than a single sentence long.
> 2 It should be easily understood by a twelve year old.
> 3 It should be able to be recited by memory at gunpoint."
>

Add these:

"Having a clearly articulated mission statement 
gives one a template of purpose that can be used to initiate,
evaluate, and refine all of one's activities.

Unsuccessful or Inadequate Mission Statements will
have these characteristics:

1 Uninspiring.
2 They are for the benefit of one person or party only.
3 They are unintelligible by "outsiders".
4 They are full of trite or ordinary phrases."


So, in the 'after-MMY era', what's the TM movement about?  What do they got?  
The "This is what we are and this is where we are going" statement.  
Do we got more than one (professional) writer here willing to take a whack at 
it?  Just wondering. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Referendum

[authfriend]

You are aware that isn't one of the issues on the
table, right? So what would be the point?


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk"  wrote:
>
> I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people to represent 
> us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected 
> representatives to make the important decisions for us.
> 
> But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably 
> represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of 
> parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.
> 
> The healthcare debate is one such example.
> 
> What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a "yes" or 
> "no" option for the voter should be presented on a national level.  And the 
> question should be something to the effect:
> 
> "Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United 
> States?"
> 
> And then let the games begin.
> 
> Enough already with the nuances, compromises, and all the crap that is 
> happening.  Let the people decide once and for all.  Enough with this 
> on-going debate.
> 
> What do you folks think?
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[ShempMcGurk]

Am I correct about the "Emerald City" effect?  Do you know what I am referring 
to?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Yes, it has a beautiful skyline, just like you said and very modern. However, 
> the city covers a lot of square miles and you need a car to get around it. 
> Spring is a nice time to  see Houston, not hot yet, but definitely not cold, 
> temps in the upper 60's and low 70's. The country side north and west of the 
> city is covered in wild flowers by early April. Fields covered with Blue 
> Bonnets and Indian Paintbrush are a sight to see.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: ShempMcGurk 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 3:52:37 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area 
> of Houston, TX?
> 
>   
> I've never been to Houston, although I once flew into its airport for a 
> connecting flight.
> 
> What struck me as I was flying in was how it's downtown area had such 
> specific boundaries. That is, all of a sudden at a certain boundary all the 
> skyscrapers appeared. Flat, low-rising buildings and then, all the 
> skyscrapers all together. It looked like the Emerald City from the Wizard of 
> Oz.
> 
> Has anyone else had that impression of the skyline of Houston?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > TurquoiseB:
> > > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > > travelers or even...gulp! ...Texans.
> > > 
> > > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!.. .Houston,
> > > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > > through on the Interstate.
> > > 
> > > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > > Houston. 
> > > 
> > > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > > 
> > > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > > in the worst part of town. :-)
> > >
> > There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> > the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Referendum

[ShempMcGurk]

I believe in representative democracy.  That is, we elect people to represent 
us.  Once elected and sitting in their legislature, I trust our elected 
representatives to make the important decisions for us.

But for those issues where our representatives are NOT able to capably 
represent us and come to a firm decision as a result of the cut and thrust of 
parliamentary debate, alternatives should be looked at.

The healthcare debate is one such example.

What I think should happen is this: a referendum question with a "yes" or "no" 
option for the voter should be presented on a national level.  And the question 
should be something to the effect:

"Do you want a universal one-payer system for healthcare in the United States?"

And then let the games begin.

Enough already with the nuances, compromises, and all the crap that is 
happening.  Let the people decide once and for all.  Enough with this on-going 
debate.

What do you folks think?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > "Make sure your idea is clear and focused.  You should be 
> > able to describe the charity's purpose and mission in a 
> > single sentence." -The Nonprofit Handbook  -Grobman
> 
> "We want the world to live in peace, harmony, and
> eternal enlightened bliss, while paying us for the 
> privilege of belng able to experience it."
> 
> How's that?
>

In form, it's a good start.

"Three elements of a Good Mission Statement:

1 A mission statement should be no more than a single sentence long.
2 It should be easily understood by a twelve year old.
3 It should be able to be recited by memory at gunpoint."

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Mike Dixon]

Yes, it has a beautiful skyline, just like you said and very modern. However, 
the city covers a lot of square miles and you need a car to get around it. 
Spring is a nice time to  see Houston, not hot yet, but definitely not cold, 
temps in the upper 60's and low 70's. The country side north and west of the 
city is covered in wild flowers by early April. Fields covered with Blue 
Bonnets and Indian Paintbrush are a sight to see.





From: ShempMcGurk 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 3:52:37 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area 
of Houston, TX?

  
I've never been to Houston, although I once flew into its airport for a 
connecting flight.

What struck me as I was flying in was how it's downtown area had such specific 
boundaries. That is, all of a sudden at a certain boundary all the skyscrapers 
appeared. Flat, low-rising buildings and then, all the skyscrapers all 
together. It looked like the Emerald City from the Wizard of Oz.

Has anyone else had that impression of the skyline of Houston?

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> TurquoiseB:
> > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > travelers or even...gulp! ...Texans.
> > 
> > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!.. .Houston,
> > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > through on the Interstate.
> > 
> > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > Houston. 
> > 
> > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > in the worst part of town. :-)
> >
> There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
>





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[lurkernomore20002000]

I believe they also discovered that early on, the Romans banned lions from the 
colisium.  Reason being that they 
were..eating
 up all the prophets


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> Archeologists recently unearthed a burial site
> in Turkey containing the bodies of 60 Roman
> gladiators.
> 
> Tests to their remains led researchers to conclude
> the gladiators ate an exclusively plant-based diet.
> 
> In fact, researchers used the word "vegan" to describe 
> the gladiators.
> 
> Wait, aren't vegans those guys you see carrying 
> signs outside KFC protesting animal cruelty?
> 
> Yeah. 
> 
> And gladiators ate a vegan diet, too.
> 
> In the following video John McDougall MD describes 
> the new find on gladiators.  He also pokes fun at the 
> biases of researchers -- who stretch to explain why 
> the most powerful fighters of the ancient world ate a 
> vegan diet.
> 
> Of course, gladiators weren't alone.  
> 
> The entire Roman army went on a vegan diet whenever 
> they went into battle.
> 
> Watch the video:
> 
> http://bit.ly/cijL0O
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha Avatar not so great !

[lurkernomore20002000]

Off, I am betting, and am pretty sure, that you saw Avatar 3-4 times just to be 
sure that you really hated it, and to make sure you didn't miss any of the ways 
in which you hated it. 

 off_world_beings  wrote:

> Yea, and I love that it was Cameron's ex-wife that won the Oscar for
> Best Picture !
> Sweet revenge to all those morons who thought Avatar was more than a
> pocahontas movie with more glitz.
> It is like watching a bad TV series with some cool effectsd (which hhave
> been done before - see the Imax movie about the ocean in 3D at an Imax
> theatre - much more impressive, because it is real and even though it is
> way older.)
> 
> OffWorld
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[WillyTex]

> > So, what is your point?
> >
Bhairitu:
> That was then now is now.  Get with the program...
>
So, you're thinking Ron Paul is now IN FAVOR of
Obama's health care plan?

[FairfieldLife] Correction: Spanish/Portuguese-speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America.

[scienceofabundance]

Our sincere apologies to all our beloved readers on FFL. The number of students 
needing to be initiated should read 2 billion, not 2 million as originally 
written. The beautiful goal given to us by our beloved enlightened Raja Ram is 
to initiate 200 million each day for 5 days beginning on April 1 - the most 
auspicious date in the Vedic calendar. A spontaneous standing ovation lasting 2 
hours, 15 minutes, immediately followed Raja Ram's announcement. 

We have calculated that we will need about 100,000 teachers to enroll within 
the next two weeks. We are tremendously encouraged by the number of responses 
that have already poured in. Currently, we  have 3 teachers who have responded 
and look forward to hearing from 99,997 others. 

All Joy and Bliss in this Year of the Natural Governance of the Eternal Bliss 
of Beingness in Nature.  

> Spanish / Portugese speaking TM teachers needed in Latin America for 
> initiating 2 million students
> 
> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> Our dear enlightened Raja Luis needs you for initiating about 2 
> million school kids and students in Latin America, if you speak 
> Spanish or Portuguese.  This is a great opportunity for you.
> 
> Do you remember about 30 years ago, Maharishiji told us, that there 
> will come a time when there will be so many initiations that the 
> teachers will flee into the forests?  This glorious time now has come 
> for you.
> 
> So please just fill out this form below and reply the mail to me at 
> vedamer...@...
> 
> Jai Guru Dev,
> 
> Michael Merlin
> 
> First name:
> Family name:
> Age:
> gender:
> Country:
> City:
> Email address:
> Telephone:
> Year you made TTC:
> Place:
> Languages you speak:
> How many months you can come:
> When you can come:
> Any questions:
> 
> P.S.   If you do not speak Spanish or Portuguese, then please help 
> find someone by forwarding this mail to some meditating friends or TM 
> teachers.
>

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientology article in todays NY Times.

[scienceofabundance]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> Dear Geez,  responding to this as a conservative meditator I don't git the 
> similarity.  

Here is a reasonable comment on the NYT Scientology article that a reader 
meant. One cannot comment on everything in one comment, but I think this 
commenter makes a good point:

Comment #239 at time  of writing:
_

Anyone remember the transcendental meditation organization which reached its 
greatest popularity in the United States in the mid-1970's? [Numbers starting 
TM dropped precipitously around 1977-78 and never recovered.] Instruction in TM 
begins with a free introductory talk, and the general publicity was "TM 
releases stress and is practiced twice per day for 20 minutes and does not 
involve any belief or change in beliefs."

Recall this sentence from the article:

"Scientology is an esoteric religion in which the faith is revealed gradually 
to those who invest their time and money to master Mr. Hubbard's teachings. 
Scientologists believe that human beings are impeded by negative memories from 
past lives, and that by applying Mr. Hubbard's "technology," they can reach a 
state known as clear."

How the transcendental meditation organization really operates can best be 
described by replacing a few words in the above description:

"Transcendental meditation is an esoteric religion in which the faith is 
revealed gradually to those who invest their time and money to master Maharishi 
Mahesh Yogi's teachings. People who choose TM as their religion (something that 
no-one intricately involved in TM would ever say - "religion" is a no-no word 
in the TM organization) believe that human beings are impeded by negative 
memories from past lives, and that by applying Maharishi Mahesh Yogi's 
"technology," they can reach a state known as enlightenment."

To get a visual of the "ruling class" in the TM organization currently, have a 
look at this YouTube video uploaded in January 10, 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qu7a2lbkw

Having been closely involved with the TM organization for 15 years, I see many 
similarities in the way it attempts to present itself as normal and the reality 
behind the scenes.


SOA

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[ShempMcGurk]

I've never been to Houston, although I once flew into its airport for a 
connecting flight.

What struck me as I was flying in was how it's downtown area had such specific 
boundaries.  That is, all of a sudden at a certain boundary all the skyscrapers 
appeared.  Flat, low-rising buildings and then, all the skyscrapers all 
together.  It looked like the Emerald City from the Wizard of Oz.

Has anyone else had that impression of the skyline of Houston?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> TurquoiseB:
> > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > 
> > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > through on the Interstate.
> > 
> > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > Houston. 
> > 
> > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > in the worst part of town.  :-)
> >
> There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: --- The most HOLY POEM ever written for Mankind !

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "lurkernomore20002000"
> > steve.sundur@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just out of curiosity, how would you suggest he respond?
> > >
> > > Respond to WHAT? He knocked off some nookie.
> > > So what? Are you suggesting he *owes* someone
> > > something?
> > 
> > I'm just asking how you feel he should respond. You seem 
> > to be saying that he does not need to respond, no explanation 
> > owed. That is fine. I guess he devotees will accept or defect 
> > depending on how they feel about the situation.
> 
> I am saying that I don't give a shit about this
> guy, and give even less of one about his "devotees."
> I think anyone stupid enough to become a "devotee"
> deserves all the disappointment he or she gets.
> 
> Look, this is a situation that just does not even
> register on my Give-A-Fuck-O-Meter. It could never
> happen to me 1) because I would never be stupid
> enough to set myself up as a spiritual teacher, 
> and 2) if I ever took leave of my senses and did,
> I would never be or claim to be celibate.
> 
> If he did, well he gets to live with that and see
> how things work out. If his "devotees" believed 
> that he was enlightened before sporting the wood
> and carrying the nookie, why wouldn't he be after
> sporting the wood and carrying the nookie? Anyone
> stupid enough to equate enlightenment with celibacy
> or a lack of enlightenment with a lack of celibacy
> should be forced to deal with the karma of that
> stupidity. It appears that some of his "devotees"
> will get to do just that. BFD. Not my concern.
> 
> If he didn't, and his "devotees" just *assumed*
> that he was celibate, well even worse on them.
> 
> I don't see that he owes his "devotees" shit. 

I guess, since you managed to get me up
on my high horse :-), that I see this situ-
ation pretty much the way I saw the recent
Tiger Woods boondoggle.

Tiger got caught with his dick in the honey-
pot. BFD. That's a matter between him and his
wife. But the media and the world, and his
"fans" (the real-world counterpart of spiritual
"devotees") seemed to think that he owed *them*
something. Some kind of public crucifixion or
"mea culpa" apology.

I don't think Tiger owed them shit. I think he
should have just STFU and dealt with the whole
thing privately with his wife and, if necessary,
her lawyers, and told the media and the world
and especially his "fans" to go suck eggs and
mind their own business.

I feel similarly about this Nityananda guy. 
Who *cares* whether his "devotees" feel disap-
pointed or "cheated on?" That's *their* hangup.
If he lied to them, then he gets to deal with
the karma of being stupid enough to lie to them.
If he never suggested he was celibate but allowed
them to think he was, that IMO is just another
flavor of stupid, and he gets to deal with that,
too. If he never told them he was celibate or
encouraged them to believe he was, then he gets
to deal with nothing but having scored what looks
to me like a remarkable piece of tail.

In *none* of the cases above does he "owe" his
"devotees" anything IMO. He doesn't need to do
any "mea culpa" public confession or even a 
private one. Neither did Tiger Woods.

When are public people going to grow up and stop
letting the "public" tell them what they should
or should not be doing with their private parts
in their private time? This fascination with 
Other People Having Sex is just not going to
stop until someone stands up to them and says,
"It's none of your goddamn business. Now fuck
off and go away."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Alex Stanley wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >   
> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Yeah, those 60 gladiators that ate a vegan diet were the
> >>> ones that lost!
> >>>   
> >> LOL. Just what I was thinking.
> >> 
> >
> > I sniffed around Google, and apparently their barley and bean based diet 
> > was designed to make them fat, as the extra fat offered some degree of 
> > bodily protection.
> >
> > Of course, McDougall is arguing that obese gladiators are a good reason to 
> > eat a fattening, starch-based diet, as if that's somehow going to bestow 
> > tremendous health benefits. All I can say about that is that my health 
> > improved dramatically when I almost completely eliminated starch from my 
> > diet.
> 
> I thought McDougall was non-fat or very low fat high carb?  

Yep. Low fat, high starch.

> He had a heart problem and solved it that way and like a goon
> though it would work for everybody.  

Some people are better suited to high-carb diets; I'm not one of them. Right 
now, I'm trying to lean out a bit, so I'm tracking my calories on 
http://fitday.com/ and limiting myself to 2000 calories a day, which is about 
500 fewer than when I eat ad libitum. I've never before tracked my caloric 
intake or macronutrient ratio, and it was interesting to see that the diet that 
works best for me is only 10-14% carbohydrate.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Mike Dixon]

The Woodlands is a good area. It's north of Houston on interstate 45. We have a 
Peace Palace there. Malls etc. Do you have business to take care of ? Might be 
able to find a better area, closer to where you need to be. 





From: ShempMcGurk 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 10:46:48 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area 
of Houston, TX?

  
WillyTex is more than happy to put you up for the night, Barry... IN HIS 
CHICKEN COOP OUT BACK BEHIND THE OUTHOUSE!

--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> travelers or even...gulp! ...Texans.
> 
> I have to spend several nights in...gulp!.. .Houston,
> Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> through on the Interstate.
> 
> If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> Houston. 
> 
> IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> 
> Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> in the worst part of town. :-)
>





  

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> I emailed a friend of mine named Charles who lives in Houston and asked him
> to email you directly.


Hey, I'd like to see that too.  I was thinking of going down to see Karunamayi 
this month while she is there for a retreat and homa.
Also i have a family member who is going to get based out of there later this 
year.


>  
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:27 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of
> Houston, TX?
>  
>   
> OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> 
> I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> through on the Interstate.
> 
> If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> Houston. 
> 
> IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> 
> Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> in the worst part of town. :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Yeah, those 60 gladiators that ate a vegan diet were the ones 
> that lost! 

Mike's got a point, dude. Mass grave. Losers.

:-)


> From: Rick Archer 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 12:36:47 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)
> 
>   
> Archeologists recently unearthed a burial site
> in Turkey containing the bodies of 60 Roman
> gladiators.
> 
> Tests to their remains led researchers to conclude
> the gladiators ate an exclusively plant-based diet.
> 
> In fact, researchers used the word "vegan" to describe 
> the gladiators.
> 
> Wait, aren't vegans those guys you see carrying 
> signs outside KFC protesting animal cruelty?
> 
> Yeah. 
> 
> And gladiators ate a vegan diet, too.
> 
> In the following video John McDougall MD describes 
> the new find on gladiators.  He also pokes fun at the 
> biases of researchers -- who stretch to explain why 
> the most powerful fighters of the ancient world ate a 
> vegan diet.
> 
> Of course, gladiators weren't alone.  
> 
> The entire Roman army went on a vegan diet whenever 
> they went into battle.
> 
> Watch the video:
> 
> http://bit.ly/cijL0O
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[Bhairitu]

Alex Stanley wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>   
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, those 60 gladiators that ate a vegan diet were the
>>> ones that lost!
>>>   
>> LOL. Just what I was thinking.
>> 
>
> I sniffed around Google, and apparently their barley and bean based diet was 
> designed to make them fat, as the extra fat offered some degree of bodily 
> protection.
>
> Of course, McDougall is arguing that obese gladiators are a good reason to 
> eat a fattening, starch-based diet, as if that's somehow going to bestow 
> tremendous health benefits. All I can say about that is that my health 
> improved dramatically when I almost completely eliminated starch from my diet.

I thought McDougall was non-fat or very low fat high carb?  He had a 
heart problem and solved it that way and like a goon though it would 
work for everybody.  My relatives are susceptible to fad diets and they 
all jumped on it to support my niece who was on it.   I warned them that 
I didn't think it was a good match for their body types.  My sister 
wound up with a terrible bout of depression from that diet.  We're all 
individuals and what works for one won't work for another.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pitta and samaadhi?

[Vaj]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 3:41 PM, cardemaister wrote:

> YS I 21:
> 
> tiivra-saMvegaanaam aasannaH
> 
> Taimni:
> 
> It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire is intensely
> strong.
> 
> Somehow I get the impression that Patañjali suggests samaadhi
> would be "easiest" for pitta-types. Isn't pitta somehow
> connected with rajo-guNa, which in turn is associated with
> (strong) desire (kaama) and intensity in general?
> 
> Heck, why would the bigwigs of TMO otherwise be called
> 'raja-s'?? ;D

The commentators on the YS obsess over "tiivra" and it's different levels in 
the discussion of the 9 different types of yogis.

It has nothing to do with pitta, pita-bread or saaandwiches.

Little effort = little momentum = little samadhi.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[WillyTex]

> > There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. 
> > It's in the best part of town, in other 
> > words, out of town.
> >
Joe: 
> All that TM sure makes a friendly fella out 
> of you...
> 
It was a joke, Joe - don't hold a grudge. 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Pitta and samaadhi?

[Vaj]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 4:35 PM, nablusoss1008 wrote:

> Which happens to be the main thing Maharishi tought them.


Uh huh.

RE: [FairfieldLife] A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Rick Archer]

I emailed a friend of mine named Charles who lives in Houston and asked him
to email you directly.
 
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of TurquoiseB
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 12:27 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of
Houston, TX?
 
  
OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.

I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
through on the Interstate.

If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
Houston. 

IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.

Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
in the worst part of town. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Concerning The Holy Ghost

[AnkhAton]

It called Djyan - in french "EVOQUER" -
It's not seen -IT IS NO THOUGHT OR THINKING
IT'S NOT DONE - it's bewitchedness

Isn't the Holy Ghost : a Ghost, - isn't It ?

It just comes - as something you never had
any idea that it existed

Instead of seeing - you know - you perceive
and seeing can come from it

It's opposite of what most of the ND 'teachers' say -
as if it was Silent

No It's the Thunder, the Hurricane in a Whirlpool
a Twister of energy a violin, a Flute -
its Sound It is terrific
and flabbergasting,

If this Love was a little bit more your body wouldn't survive
It will exactly follow your body and brain tolerance
which grows too

It's a tiny shadow of the dust of a little nail of The Holy Ghost
and already you know perceive the whole astral world
with its myriads of Big Bang flocks
and how all what lives is at the end of a kind of cord, a chord
a string, a tone, a whole orchestra
with a xillion players
If these Priest, Rebbes, Mullahs knew

I said it before : millions on this Planet do it
and keep silent about it, most of them.

Jap Ji:
"He has Thousand fingers on His Trigger, . . . ."
meaning
He just does what he wants
He just does
He blesse the thieves , the idiots, the prostitutes
even some of murderers.

So just if you think y'r not good enough -
Have a bad past . . . HâHâ
You might be exactly the Gurl/Guy to be bewitched next Ha
Its only for those with the pain of separation.
ankhaton

but you cannot rape torture kill !

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:05 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> > 
> > > > > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > > > > features large...
> > > > >
> > > Vaj:
> > > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > > >
> > > So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
> > 
> > No, that's why he signed his name "Narayana". He didn't call himself  
> > SamkAra, a common name.
> > 
> > BTW, saMkAra:
> 
> Er... that's a bit like associating e.g. "shit" with "sit"...hmmm.. ;)
>

BTW, in Harvard-Kyoto -transliteration 'sh' (palatal sibilant)
in represented by 'z'. So, if you wanna check out 'shankara' in
CDSL (Cologne Digital Sanskrit Lexicon), you have to write 'zamkara'.

zaMkara mf(%{I})n. causing prosperity , auspicious , beneficent Nir. 
MBh. BhP. ; m. N. of Rudra or S3iva VS. A1s3vGr2. MBh. &c. ; of a son of 
Kas3yapa and Danu VP. ; of Skanda AV.Paris3. ; of a serpentdemon L. ; of a 
Cakra-vartin L. ; N. of various authors and commentators , (esp.) of 
S3am2kara7ca1rya (see next page , col. 1 ; also with %{bhaTTa} , %{paNDita} , 
%{zarman} , %{rAjA7naka} , &c.) ; (%{A}) f. (cf. %{zaM-garA} under %{zaM} 
above) = %{zakunikA} , PIn2. iii , 2 , 14 Va1rtt.i Pat. ; N. of a female ib. ; 
a partic. Ra1ga or musical mode MW. ; (%{I}) f. see p. 1055.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[ShempMcGurk]

WillyTex is more than happy to put you up for the night, Barry... IN HIS 
CHICKEN COOP OUT BACK BEHIND THE OUTHOUSE!



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> 
> I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> through on the Interstate.
> 
> If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> Houston. 
> 
> IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> 
> Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> in the worst part of town.  :-)
>

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Just curious; what do you think about what Raj Patel says ?
> > > 
> > > I've been underwhelmed. Just another theoretical
> > > thinker as far as I can tell. When he can back
> > > up his theories with physical implementations of
> > > them proving that they'll work, I'll listen. Until
> > > then, to me he's Just Another Guy On YouTube. 
> > > 
> > > You were honest with me...I'm being honest with 
> > > you. I don't mean this as a putdown, just where
> > > I'm at with regard to theoretical thinkers. All
> > > their theories plus $1.50 US will get you a bad
> > > cup of coffee at Starbucks.
> > 
> > Fair enough. Give him a year or so. Then we'll will see wheter 
> > he's just another "theoretical thinker".
> 
> Only a year or two? Dude, your standards are slipping.
> You gave Maharishi 40+ years. And you're still giving.


I wrote a "year or so" which means 8-16 months. Maharishis devotees have much 
less time than He had simply because time is running out. He had the priviledge 
of time to lay the ground, they don't; they/we/everyone must produce results 
incredibly fast. Do you think it is a past-time to be a student of a great 
Master, some sort of hobby ?

Very strong ideas are about to sprout in His footsteps. Patel might or might 
not represent one of His strongest ideas. 

Patel's thinking must result in global action within a relatively short period 
of time. If not it's a failure. 

Whoever becomes the catalyst of the forecoming changes, they have already been 
made. It's what the americans would call a "done deal". Patel could very well 
be the person who examplifies what has already been accomplished by Maharishi 
and the Masters. Or not. 

But do give him some time, perhaps a year.

"Now that communism is gone the next to go is capitalism"
- Maharishi, 1989

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElEzszR6ig4

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
 However he is fervently anti-war...

 
>>> Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan. 
>>>
>>>   
> Bhairitu:
>   
>> With the majority in 2001...
>>
>> 
> So, Ron Paul is not 'fervently' anti-war. 
>
> Ron Paul voted 'yes' on the Iraq Gulf War I.
>
> So, what is your point?

That was then now is now.  Get with the program Willy.  :-D

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, those 60 gladiators that ate a vegan diet were the
> > ones that lost!
> 
> LOL. Just what I was thinking.

I sniffed around Google, and apparently their barley and bean based diet was 
designed to make them fat, as the extra fat offered some degree of bodily 
protection.

Of course, McDougall is arguing that obese gladiators are a good reason to eat 
a fattening, starch-based diet, as if that's somehow going to bestow tremendous 
health benefits. All I can say about that is that my health improved 
dramatically when I almost completely eliminated starch from my diet. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[Joe]

Mighty neighborly, friendly and just plain "enlightened" of you Tex old buddy.

All that TM sure makes a friendly fella out of you.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> TurquoiseB:
> > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > 
> > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > through on the Interstate.
> > 
> > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > Houston. 
> > 
> > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > in the worst part of town.  :-)
> >
> There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> the best part of town, in other words, out of town.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Pitta and samaadhi?

[Bhairitu]

cardemaister wrote:
> YS I 21:
>
> tiivra-saMvegaanaam aasannaH
>
> Taimni:
>
> It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire is intensely
> strong.
>
> Somehow I get the impression that Patañjali suggests samaadhi
> would be "easiest" for pitta-types. Isn't pitta somehow
> connected with rajo-guNa, which in turn is associated with
> (strong) desire (kaama) and intensity in general?
>
> Heck, why would the bigwigs of TMO otherwise be called
> 'raja-s'??  ;D

What that phrase by "desire is intensely strong" is that the person is 
willing to sadhana to achieve samadhi.  It would not have anything to do 
with pitta  because samadhi is the easiest for kapha types who are 
already calm.  However they often don't know what to do with the 
samadhi. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] Pita or saaaandwich?

[ShempMcGurk]

Pita if I want something light;

Sndwich is preferable in the winter months.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> "Make sure your idea is clear and focused.  You should be 
> able to describe the charity's purpose and mission in a 
> single sentence." -The Nonprofit Handbook  -Grobman

"We want the world to live in peace, harmony, and
eternal enlightened bliss, while paying us for the 
privilege of belng able to experience it."

How's that?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB:
> > OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> > travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> > 
> > I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> > Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> > through on the Interstate.
> > 
> > If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> > Houston. 
> > 
> > IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> > stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> > walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> > bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> > to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> > please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> > Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> > hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> > in the worst part of town.  :-)
>
> There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
> the best part of town, in other words, out of town.

I hear that, Willytex. That's why I asked. :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[WillyTex]

TurquoiseB:
> OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
> travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.
> 
> I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
> Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
> through on the Interstate.
> 
> If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
> Houston. 
> 
> IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
> stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
> walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
> bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.
> 
> Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
> to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
> please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
> Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
> hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
> in the worst part of town.  :-)
>
There's a Motel 6 out on Highway 290 West. It's in
the best part of town, in other words, out of town.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[Buck]

>
> Reengineering the Corporation: a Manifesto for Business Revolution could be 
> the better consult for Hagelin and TM right now.  Covey is lighter weight and 
> feel good motivational stuff by contrast.  Reengineering the Corp is classic 
> re-organization.  TM'org-ers could benefit to skim chapters 9, 10 & 11 at 
> least.  Most always are some used copies at Revelations Bookstore in FF. 
> 

"Make sure your idea is clear and focused.  You should be able to describe the 
charity's purpose and mission in a single sentence." -The Nonprofit Handbook  
-Grobman

> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qu7a2lbkw
> > > > > >
> > 
> > 
> > & What's he going to do with it?  Where's he going to take it?  Potentially 
> > he is in great position.
> > 
> > "Teams and organizations with a strong sense of mission significantly 
> > outperform those without the strength of vision." -Sense of Mission, 
> > Campbell and Nash 1990.  According to Dutch sociologist Fred Polak, "a 
> > primary factor influencing the success of civilizations is the "collective 
> > vision" people have of their future". -Polak, Image of the Future.  Both 
> > quoted from First Things First, Covey (Stephen Covey was lecturing through 
> > MUM and FF this last year)  
> > 
> > Seems pretty clear in the wrangling and power-sharing going on, Hagelin 
> > evidently does not have the authority to do it yet.  To just say, "This is 
> > what we are and this is where we are going".  Is pretty clear he is going 
> > somewhere.  Evidently may be going without some people or in spite.
> > 
> >
> > > > > 
> > > > > Interesting you landed on that last moment too. I backed 
> > > > > the video up acouple times just to listen to that last 
> > > > > sentence or two.
> > > > > 
> > > > > There came the mission statement. 
> > > > 
> > > > Interesting that you would see relying on one
> > > > individual to do it all for you as a "mission
> > > > statement." 
> > > > 
> > > > Then again, isn't that what everyone did with
> > > > Maharishi?
> > > >
> > > 
> > > Yep. & this drama since MMY is what is showing in the video.
> > > 
> > > Within the drama of discovery since MMY, something significant in 
> > > character is Hagelin's lack of projected leadership.  He's being mighty 
> > > delicate.  
> > > 
> > > Some lot of the meditating community have been waiting watching where 
> > > they are going to go with it all.  And how in character they are going to 
> > > do it.  
> > > 
> > > Obviously they (the movement community) are doing things.  Things 
> > > departmentalized.  Little said that is cohesive of it all given the past. 
> > >  Much reconciliation?  Not really that voice there yet either.  
> > > 
> > > Evidently still figuring out what they have.  Disparate you got DLF,  
> > > Western Rajas living and meeting still in Holland at the old European 
> > > campus there.  The Global Country Rajas around/Vedic City, the Vedic City 
> > > Pundits project,   MUM and its various programs, and then there is India. 
> > >  Lot of different people.  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > In that room on the video, a few characters stand out but none able to 
> > > say,  "This is what we are, for these reasons this is where we are going, 
> > > and this is how we are going to do it."  Consistently in less than a 
> > > paragraph.   The last part of that last sentence in the video started to 
> > > be that.  "That it is based on our spiritual experience, with this that 
> > > we go forward".  He was just getting his tongue around it as his part in 
> > > the video ended.  
> > >
> > > The video is a fascinating picture of TM in time.  That is what i see in 
> > > watching it from FF.  It will be interesting to see when they pull it 
> > > down from the net.
> > > 
> > > -Buck
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Pitta and samaadhi?

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister  wrote:
>
> 
> YS I 21:
> 
> tiivra-saMvegaanaam aasannaH
> 
> Taimni:
> 
> It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire is intensely
> strong.
> 
> Somehow I get the impression that Patañjali suggests samaadhi
> would be "easiest" for pitta-types. Isn't pitta somehow
> connected with rajo-guNa, which in turn is associated with
> (strong) desire (kaama) and intensity in general?


Well observed carde.

> 
> Heck, why would the bigwigs of TMO otherwise be called
> 'raja-s'??  ;D


Correct again. If you want to rule you must be filled with Pitta, it's as 
simple as that. 

But to be a true ruler you must not only know the price of everything but also 
the value of nothing. 

Which happens to be the main thing Maharishi tought them.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[cardemaister]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:05 PM, WillyTex wrote:
> 
> > > > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > > > features large...
> > > >
> > Vaj:
> > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > >
> > So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
> 
> No, that's why he signed his name "Narayana". He didn't call himself  
> SamkAra, a common name.
> 
> BTW, saMkAra:

Er... that's a bit like associating e.g. "shit" with "sit"...hmmm.. ;)

[FairfieldLife] Oscar - The Journey Of One Woman

[TurquoiseB]

The Oscars are over, I was proven wrong on my favorite 
prediction (that "Avatar" would win for Best Picture and
"The Hurt Locker" would not), and I cannot be more happy
about having been proven wrong. 

If I remember correctly, I was the first to mention a 
film called "The Hurt Locker" here, and to my shame I did
it in the context of Kathryn Bigelow's ex-husband's film,
"Avatar." I was pleased to see the media-friendly friendly
competition between exes for the Best Director Oscar, but I 
honestly don't think it ever occurred to Jim Cameron that
the Best Picture Oscar was up for grabs.

Kathryn grabbed it. Good on her.

I have been a fan of Kathryn Bigelow since "Near Dark"
came out. It blew my mind. Not only was it her first gig
as a solo director, not only did it completely reinvent
the vampire genre, not only did it have a score by my
then-favorite musical group Tangerine Dream...Kathryn
Bigelow was a *babe*. 

You saw her photo in the trades, and you thought, "That
is the kind of woman I'd pay a month's salary just to 
share a cappucino with for a few minutes." Kathryn just
*screamed* "kundalini and the willingness to use it."
She *rocked*. 

Not only had she teamed up with the best (then) Young
Turk Screenwriter New On The Scene, Eric Red, she had
directed this genre-redefining glimpse into the world
of vampires while shooting the entire production on a 
vampire's schedule: at night. My kinda gal. 

Now she's the first woman to ever win an award from the
Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences as the Best
Director of the Year. My kinda gal.

In between there were a number of quite remarkable and
memorable films, for those of you who don't know her.

"Blue Steel," as effective a psychological portrait (or
portraits) as I have ever seen created onscreen. 

"Point Break." Yeah, not everyone's cuppa Keanu, but I
kinda...begrudgingly...liked it.

"Strange Days." A science fiction masterpiece.

"The Weight Of Water," which I think Shemp recommended
here, and I have yet to be able to watch it. 

Then a few...uh...seemingly less-memorable films until...

"The Hurt Locker." Possibly the most definitive film 
ever made about war and the thing that *inspires* war
and keeps it replicating in our world. See quote below.

If you didn't see it, you maybe should. If you only
saw it once, it gets better on a re-viewing. Y'know...
the way great art does when you go to the museum a
second time.

"The rush of battle is often a potent and lethal 
addiction, for war is a drug." - Chris Hedges

[FairfieldLife] Re: Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Yeah, those 60 gladiators that ate a vegan diet were the
> ones that lost!

LOL. Just what I was thinking.

[FairfieldLife] Pitta and samaadhi?

[cardemaister]

YS I 21:

tiivra-saMvegaanaam aasannaH

Taimni:

It (samaadhi) is nearest to those whose desire is intensely
strong.

Somehow I get the impression that Patañjali suggests samaadhi
would be "easiest" for pitta-types. Isn't pitta somehow
connected with rajo-guNa, which in turn is associated with
(strong) desire (kaama) and intensity in general?

Heck, why would the bigwigs of TMO otherwise be called
'raja-s'??  ;D

Re: [FairfieldLife] Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[Mike Dixon]

Yeah, those 60 gladiators that ate a vegan diet were the ones that lost! 



From: Rick Archer 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 12:36:47 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

  
Archeologists recently unearthed a burial site
in Turkey containing the bodies of 60 Roman
gladiators.

Tests to their remains led researchers to conclude
the gladiators ate an exclusively plant-based diet.

In fact, researchers used the word "vegan" to describe 
the gladiators.

Wait, aren't vegans those guys you see carrying 
signs outside KFC protesting animal cruelty?

Yeah. 

And gladiators ate a vegan diet, too.

In the following video John McDougall MD describes 
the new find on gladiators.  He also pokes fun at the 
biases of researchers -- who stretch to explain why 
the most powerful fighters of the ancient world ate a 
vegan diet.

Of course, gladiators weren't alone.  

The entire Roman army went on a vegan diet whenever 
they went into battle.

Watch the video:

http://bit.ly/cijL0O



  

[FairfieldLife] Gladiators Were Vegan -- Dr. McDougall (VIDEO)

[Rick Archer]

Archeologists recently unearthed a burial site
in Turkey containing the bodies of 60 Roman
gladiators.

Tests to their remains led researchers to conclude
the gladiators ate an exclusively plant-based diet.

In fact, researchers used the word "vegan" to describe 
the gladiators.

Wait, aren't vegans those guys you see carrying 
signs outside KFC protesting animal cruelty?

Yeah. 

And gladiators ate a vegan diet, too.

In the following video John McDougall MD describes 
the new find on gladiators.  He also pokes fun at the 
biases of researchers -- who stretch to explain why 
the most powerful fighters of the ancient world ate a 
vegan diet.

Of course, gladiators weren't alone.  

The entire Roman army went on a vegan diet whenever 
they went into battle.

Watch the video:

http://bit.ly/cijL0O

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[WillyTex]

> > > However he is fervently anti-war...
> > >
> > Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan.
> >
off:
> Which shows he is rational when it counts... 
> 
Ron Paul voted 'yes' on the 1991 Gulf War. He
voted 'yes' on the invasion of Afghanistan.

And, Ron Paul voted 'no' on Obama's health care
reform bill. 

Ron Paul is almost totally opposed to Obama's 
socialist government agenda. 

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > Just curious; what do you think about what Raj Patel says ?
> > 
> > I've been underwhelmed. Just another theoretical
> > thinker as far as I can tell. When he can back
> > up his theories with physical implementations of
> > them proving that they'll work, I'll listen. Until
> > then, to me he's Just Another Guy On YouTube. 
> > 
> > You were honest with me...I'm being honest with 
> > you. I don't mean this as a putdown, just where
> > I'm at with regard to theoretical thinkers. All
> > their theories plus $1.50 US will get you a bad
> > cup of coffee at Starbucks.
> 
> Fair enough. Give him a year or so. Then we'll will see wheter 
> he's just another "theoretical thinker".

Only a year or two? Dude, your standards are slipping.
You gave Maharishi 40+ years. And you're still giving.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[WillyTex]

> > > However he is fervently anti-war...
> > >
> > Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan. 
> >
Bhairitu:
> With the majority in 2001...
>
So, Ron Paul is not 'fervently' anti-war. 

Ron Paul voted 'yes' on the Iraq Gulf War I.

So, what is your point?

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel 
> > > > survive? 
> > > 
> > > Nabby, here's a question for you. 
> > > 
> > > When Raj (not Jay) Patel's name came up earlier as the 
> > > person that many of Creme's followers had decided was 
> > > "Maitreya," you pooh-poohed the idea and wrote it off 
> > > as just the antics of crazy Americans.
> > . . . 
> > > Do YOU believe that this Raj Patel guy is Maitreya?
> > 
> > Well Turq, since it's you that ask the question I will be 
> > totally honest: I don't know ! 
> 
> OK, good answer. Thanks. 
> . . .
> 
> > Just curious; what do you think about what Raj Patel says ?
> 
> I've been underwhelmed. Just another theoretical
> thinker as far as I can tell. 


Fine; what is happening now is happening fast; this is the Age of 
Enlightenment, remember ? 

There are a few of Maharishis's students with some rather stunning projects 
coming up. Let's see if Patel turns out to be just another "theoretical 
thinker". You could be right. Or wrong.
It's s bit early to tell. Give him a year or so. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b8kRKcgV4&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel 
> > > > survive? 
> > > 
> > > Nabby, here's a question for you. 
> > > 
> > > When Raj (not Jay) Patel's name came up earlier as the 
> > > person that many of Creme's followers had decided was 
> > > "Maitreya," you pooh-poohed the idea and wrote it off 
> > > as just the antics of crazy Americans.
> > . . . 
> > > Do YOU believe that this Raj Patel guy is Maitreya?
> > 
> > Well Turq, since it's you that ask the question I will be 
> > totally honest: I don't know ! 
> 
> OK, good answer. Thanks. 
> . . .
> 
> > Just curious; what do you think about what Raj Patel says ?
> 
> I've been underwhelmed. Just another theoretical
> thinker as far as I can tell. When he can back
> up his theories with physical implementations of
> them proving that they'll work, I'll listen. Until
> then, to me he's Just Another Guy On YouTube. 
> 
> You were honest with me...I'm being honest with 
> you. I don't mean this as a putdown, just where
> I'm at with regard to theoretical thinkers. All
> their theories plus $1.50 US will get you a bad
> cup of coffee at Starbucks.

Fair enough. Give him a year or so. Then we'll will see wheter he's just 
another "theoretical thinker".

[FairfieldLife] The Commonwealth Club of California; Raj Patel

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4oLqOGnSMs&NR=1

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul squarely against embryonic stem cell research

[Vaj]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:16 PM, off_world_beings wrote:


You brian is heavily stagnated.



Uh huh.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ron Paul squarely against embryonic stem cell research

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings no_reply@
wrote:
>
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
>
> > They are both for science over religious Neocon fanaticism.
> >
>
>
> [snip]
>
>
> I can't imagine that you are referring to anything but embryonic stem
cell research, as this is the primary science over religion issue
prevalent in American society today.
>
> Ron Paul's record on this issue is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you
write above and claim is his position.
>

Wrong. He is against government funding of it.

Take the ghee Shemp.

You don't understand these things Shemp. You brian is heavily stagnated.
I suggest you do home prep with ghee once a month. Use 15-20 mils of
ghee the first day, build up to 80-100 mils, then on the 4th night take
40 mils of warmed castor oil mixed with fresh squeezed orange juice,
take a 20 minute hot bath or shower, and go to bed early.

Get back to after you have done this. It will free up your frozen
neuronal pathways.

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "WillyTex"  wrote:
>
> > > Ron Paul voted 'no' on Obama's health care bill.
> > >
> Bhairitu:
> > However he is fervently anti-war...
> >
> Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan.>

Which shows he is rational when it counts. That is why I support him.

Just like the International Community decided they could sort out
Afghanisthan, which, if you Neocons had not wasted all the money and
resources in Iraq, would have worked.

Both Obama and Ron Paul supported the Afghanistan legal international
intervention, and both were against the illegal Bush war in Iraq.

OffWorld

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>>> Ron Paul voted 'no' on Obama's health care bill.
>>>
>>>   
> Bhairitu:
>   
>> However he is fervently anti-war...
>>
>> 
> Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan. 

With the majority in 2001.  He's seems to have had a change of heart since:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEDQ-QXtXcg

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[Vaj]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 2:07 PM, WillyTex wrote:


> > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > >
> > So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
> >
Vaj:
> He didn't call himself SamkAra...
>
So, why did you call him 'Shankara'?



Because that was the point: Vaishnavism has many faces.

Like I said Willy, the guy signed his name Narayana (Vishnu) not  
"Shiva". 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[WillyTex]

> > Ron Paul voted 'no' on Obama's health care bill.
> >
Bhairitu:
> However he is fervently anti-war...
>
Ron Paul voted 'yes' to invade Afghanistan. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[WillyTex]

> > > Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> > >
> > So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!
> >
Vaj:
> He didn't call himself SamkAra...
> 
So, why did you call him 'Shankara'?

Shankara - 'Shiva's abode'.  

http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/cgi-bin/tamil/recherche

Shankara - Shiva, the Hindu god.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankara

[FairfieldLife] Re: Live TM Theatre

[Buck]

Reengineering the Corporation: a Manifesto for Business Revolution could be the 
better consult for Hagelin and TM right now.  Covey is lighter weight and feel 
good motivational stuff by contrast.  Reengineering the Corp is classic 
re-organization.  TM'org-ers could benefit to skim chapters 9, 10 & 11 at 
least.  Most always are some used copies at Revelations Bookstore in FF. 

> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Qu7a2lbkw
> > > > >
> 
> 
> & What's he going to do with it?  Where's he going to take it?  Potentially 
> he is in great position.
> 
> "Teams and organizations with a strong sense of mission significantly 
> outperform those without the strength of vision." -Sense of Mission, Campbell 
> and Nash 1990.  According to Dutch sociologist Fred Polak, "a primary factor 
> influencing the success of civilizations is the "collective vision" people 
> have of their future". -Polak, Image of the Future.  Both quoted from First 
> Things First, Covey (Stephen Covey was lecturing through MUM and FF this last 
> year)  
> 
> Seems pretty clear in the wrangling and power-sharing going on, Hagelin 
> evidently does not have the authority to do it yet.  To just say, "This is 
> what we are and this is where we are going".  Is pretty clear he is going 
> somewhere.  Evidently may be going without some people or in spite.
> 
>   
> > > > 
> > > > Interesting you landed on that last moment too. I backed 
> > > > the video up acouple times just to listen to that last 
> > > > sentence or two.
> > > > 
> > > > There came the mission statement. 
> > > 
> > > Interesting that you would see relying on one
> > > individual to do it all for you as a "mission
> > > statement." 
> > > 
> > > Then again, isn't that what everyone did with
> > > Maharishi?
> > >
> > 
> > Yep. & this drama since MMY is what is showing in the video.
> > 
> > Within the drama of discovery since MMY, something significant in character 
> > is Hagelin's lack of projected leadership.  He's being mighty delicate.  
> > 
> > Some lot of the meditating community have been waiting watching where they 
> > are going to go with it all.  And how in character they are going to do it. 
> >  
> > 
> > Obviously they (the movement community) are doing things.  Things 
> > departmentalized.  Little said that is cohesive of it all given the past.  
> > Much reconciliation?  Not really that voice there yet either.  
> > 
> > Evidently still figuring out what they have.  Disparate you got DLF,  
> > Western Rajas living and meeting still in Holland at the old European 
> > campus there.  The Global Country Rajas around/Vedic City, the Vedic City 
> > Pundits project,   MUM and its various programs, and then there is India.  
> > Lot of different people.  
> > 
> > 
> > In that room on the video, a few characters stand out but none able to say, 
> >  "This is what we are, for these reasons this is where we are going, and 
> > this is how we are going to do it."  Consistently in less than a paragraph. 
> >   The last part of that last sentence in the video started to be that.  
> > "That it is based on our spiritual experience, with this that we go 
> > forward".  He was just getting his tongue around it as his part in the 
> > video ended.  
> > 
> > The video is a fascinating picture of TM in time.  That is what i see in 
> > watching it from FF.  It will be interesting to see when they pull it down 
> > from the net.
> > 
> > -Buck
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[Vaj]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 12:05 PM, WillyTex wrote:


> > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu
> > features large...
> >
Vaj:
> Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
>
So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!


No, that's why he signed his name "Narayana". He didn't call himself  
SamkAra, a common name.


BTW, saMkAra:

m. dust , sweepings

mixing together , commingling , intermixture confusion (esp. of  
castes or races , proceeding from the intermarriage of a man with a  
woman of a higher caste or from the promiscuous intercourse of the  
four tribes , and again from the indiscriminate cohabitation of their  
descendants

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul squarely against embryonic stem cell research

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:



[snip]



> They are both for science over religious Neocon fanaticism.
>


[snip]


I can't imagine that you are referring to anything but embryonic stem cell 
research, as this is the primary science over religion issue prevalent in 
American society today.

Ron Paul's record on this issue is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what you write 
above and claim is his position.

Here is Ron Paul's positions:

- Embryonic stem cell programs not constitionally authorized. (May 2007) 

- Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007) 

- Voted NO on allowing human embryonic stem cell research. (May 2005) 

From: http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

Off_World, you stand corrected.

I've now shown you that of the ONLY THREE issues that you said Paul was the 
same on as Obama that one of them he is the complete opposite from Obama.

In another post I've shown you that on two of the other biggest issues of our 
time -- global warming and abortion -- Paul is the complete opposite from Obama.

Must we continue this?

Is it not obvious that you are so completely wrong as to be embarrassing 
yourself?

[FairfieldLife] Ron Paul on global warming: an elaborate hoax

[ShempMcGurk]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:



[snip]



> >
> > That you supported Obama?  Nope, it confirms to me that you shouldn't
> have been in Ron Paul's camp in the first place.>
> 
> They are both against the Iraq war and Guantanomo.
> They are both against against corporate control of government.
> They are both for science over religious Neocon fanaticism.
> 
> They are more alike than anybody.
> 


[snip]


They are polar opposites.  Indeed, they come to their similar positions that 
you list above from the opposite sides of the political spectrum.

You said in a previous post that you missed Paul's position on global warming.  
I don't know how, as it is easy to google it.

Here's what Ron Paul said about global warming:

http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/global-warming/

Is Obama a believer?  Of course he is.

Ron Paul is against abortion and against a woman's right to choose.  Obama 
supports choice."Abortion is murder", says Ron Paul.  Indeed, one would say he 
is fanatical about it.  And if you had seen the following quotes of his without 
knowing it was Ron Paul, you would call him a nutcase neo-con, as you do with 
everyone you disagree with. 

See: http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Ron_Paul.htm

Now, that's just two issues but everyone would agree that they are two of the 
most important, major issues of our time.

On virtually everything else, the two men disagree.  But instead of ME having 
to do the work to prove this (which I've done extensively in the past) I'm 
going to invite YOU to do your homework and report back to us so that you have 
a chance to correct yourself, apologise for being wrong, and stand corrected.  
That way you can have at least some dignity and credibility left.

[FairfieldLife] A possibly impossible task: Is there a cool area of Houston, TX?

[TurquoiseB]

OK, so here's a question for you knowledgeable FFL
travelers or even...gulp!...Texans.

I have to spend several nights in...gulp!...Houston,
Texas. I've never been there before, except driving
through on the Interstate.

If it were Austin, I'd know where to stay. But it's
Houston. 

IS there such a thing as a "cool neighborhood to
stay in" in Houston, Texas? By "cool" I mean within
walking distance of a number of good restaurants,
bars, clubs, movie theaters and/or music clubs.

Thanks in advance, if anyone has any real advice
to offer. Not to be suspicious or anything, but 
please be advised that if either Willytex or Tom 
Pall replies, I'm gonna check out the 'hood before-
hand to make sure they're not advising me to stay 
in the worst part of town.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who on FFL disagrees with this?

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , "ShempMcGurk" 
wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 , off_world_beings 
wrote:
> >
> >
> > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , "ShempMcGurk" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  > , off_world_beings 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  >
> > > > 
> >  > > , "ShempMcGurk"

> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  >
> > > > 
> >  > > , off_world_beings

> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  >
> > > > 
> >  > > , "ShempMcGurk"

> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

> >  >
> > > > 
> >  > > , off_world_beings no_reply@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One of Raj Patel's main themes is that the new capital
for
> > the
> > > > 21st
> > > > > > > > century is going to be the capital of 'giving'. ie. He
is
> > saying
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > true wealth in the future will come from giving.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Who on FairfieldLife would say 'no' to that philosophy
for
> > the
> > > > 21st
> > > > > > > > century? In essence, do you agree with this idea or not?
If
> > not,
> > > > > > state
> > > > > > > > in one sentence your alternative approach.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > OffWorld
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I say "no" to that philosophy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The best way to allocate the scarce resources of the world
in
> > the
> > > > > > fairest and most efficient way -- in particular and
> > > > disproportionately
> > > > > > in favor of the poorest of the world -- is through the
> > selfishness
> > > > and
> > > > > > "me, firstness" of the unfettered free market.>>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the honest answer, but your method will not work
in
> > the
> > > > 21st
> > > > > > century. Your method allocates resources to the biggest army
> > only,
> > > > and a
> > > > > > few of their citizens and not to the most successful
businesses
> > as
> > > > your
> > > > > > free-market philosophy champions. Your method also fuels and
> > > > perpetuates
> > > > > > terrorism worldwide.  And the problem is, many people have
the
> > > > biggest
> > > > > > army now, its called a nuclear bomb. So your greed will come
> > back to
> > > > > > bite you and leave the world devastated. So, no, your
methods
> > are
> > > > the
> > > > > > methods of the dark ages, not the 21st century.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Next please. (move along now Shemp, your kind are
history,
> > not
> > > > part
> > > > > > of the future.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OffWorld
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Again, the person who you supported for president, Ron Paul,
> > agrees
> > > > with me and disagrees with you.>
> > > >
> > > > I supported Obama for President.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You supported Obama only AFTER Ron Paul was out of the running>
> >
> > Nope. Ron Paul was still in the running at the time. I supported Ron
> > Paul for leader of the Republican party because he was far better
than
> > all those idiots and criminals that you supported Shemp. But you
> > warmongers pushed him out and smeared him, so that an old idiot
> > warmonger could shuffle around with some bimbo ,making complete
fools of
> > you and your warmongering hateful ant-social archaic neandhethal
friends
> > Shemp.
> >
> > I was the first on FFL life to supp

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[WillyTex]

> > As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu 
> > features large...
> >
Vaj:
> Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.
> 
So, that's why you call him 'Shankara' (Shiva)!

http://hinduism.iskcon.com/index.htm

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
> off:
>   
>> I supported Ron Paul for leader of the Republicans, 
>>
>> 
> Ron Paul does not support Obama's health insurance 
> reform.
>
>   
>> and I STILL DO!
>>
>> 
> Ron Paul still does not support Obama's health insurance 
> reform. Ron Paul voted 'no' on Obama's health care bill.

However he is fervently anti-war.  He doesn't exactly jell with the FOX 
News crowd.  And he doesn't like the giveaway to the health insurance 
companies the bill gives.  Neither do I.  And we pay way too fucking 
much for health care.  That's because a lot of doctors are in the 
profession because daddy or mommy were also doctors.  In some cases 
their parents made sure they didn't flunk out of medical school.  They 
overuse expensive technology like MRIs shoving up the cost of care.  
They bought monster home and instead of selling them when the economy 
went south just raised their fees.  Now if a real "free market" society 
they would be putting together inexpensive health care programs for 
people to use to be competitive.  But no they can't see beyond their 
noses and their union, the AMA keeps health care out of reach of many.   
We'd have a lot more health care professions if it wasn't for 
organizations like the AMA.

For profit health care is a very bad idea.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha Avatar not so great !

[Bhairitu]

WillyTex wrote:
>   
>>> Now we can move on from this pretentious 
>>>   
>> montrosity of a movie.
>>
>> 
> Sal:
>   
>> Amen--and now maybe we won't have to waste 
>> any more afternoons or evenings sitting 
>> through another one of Cameron's interminable,
>> over-hyped, way over-produced, anti-septic,
>> silly "message" movies, with little heart and
>> even less soul, with actors who aren't acting 
>> and a plot you couldn't find if you had a map.
>>
>> 
> So, you saw 'Avatar'.
>
>   
>> The guy doesn't direct movies, he directs 
>> production brochures.  And I'm just delighted 
>> the Academy agreed with me :) and passed the 
>> Oscars on to those movies that actually 
>> deserved it.  
>>
>> 
> You mean, the one's you didn't see? LOL!
>
>   
>> You know, the ones that had all that 
>> old-fashioned stuff like plot, acting and 
>> stories with characters people actually could 
>> care about.
>>
>> 
> You are supposed to see the movies BEFORE you
> post your comments, Sal.


Willy, did you see "Avatar"?  Have you seen "Hurt Locker"? Do you even 
see movies?

"Avatar" was a popcorn movie and sure it has anti-war and anti-corporate 
themes in it.   But "Hurt Locker" is also anti-war and indirectly 
anti-corporate but a much more crafted story based on the experiences of 
people who actually did that stuff in the military.   And here to try to 
deflect it winning we had "supposed" vets who were saying it wasn't 
realistic at all.  But then "60 Minutes" screened the film for some vets 
who did that kind of work and they thought it was very true.  The 
chickenhawks just don't want their little party spoiled.

And yes I've seen both movies.  Next week a lot of the contenders 
release on DVD and Bluray.  "Hurt Locker" is already available on both 
formats as well as VOD.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha Avatar not so great !

[off_world_beings]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine 
wrote:
>
> On Mar 7, 2010, at 11:15 PM, off_world_beings wrote:
>
> > After all the hype, and supporters calling detractors 'blind' if
they had a criticism of the film, Avatar only takes a few token Oscars !
> >
> > Good. It was a crock of cliche, over-sentimental, very forgetable
junk food.
> > And it only earned 1.5 billion pounds even with all the over-hyping
and its lowest common denominator draw.
> >
> > Now we can move on from this pretentious montrosity of a movie.
>
> Amen--and now maybe we won't have to waste
> any more afternoons or evenings sitting
> through another one of Cameron's interminable,
> over-hyped, way over-produced, anti-septic,
> silly "message" movies, with little heart and
> even less soul, with actors who
> aren't acting and a plot you couldn't find
> if you had a map. The guy doesn't direct
> movies, he directs production brochures. And
> I'm just delighted the Academy agreed with
> me :) and passed the Oscars on to those movies
> that actually deserved it. You know, the ones
> that had all that old-fashioned stuff like plot,
> acting and stories with characters people
> actually could care about.
>
> Sal
>

Yea, and I love that it was Cameron's ex-wife that won the Oscar for
Best Picture !
Sweet revenge to all those morons who thought Avatar was more than a
pocahontas movie with more glitz.
It is like watching a bad TV series with some cool effectsd (which hhave
been done before - see the Imax movie about the ocean in 3D at an Imax
theatre - much more impressive, because it is real and even though it is
way older.)

OffWorld

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> > >
> > > And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel 
> > > survive? 
> > 
> > Nabby, here's a question for you. 
> > 
> > When Raj (not Jay) Patel's name came up earlier as the 
> > person that many of Creme's followers had decided was 
> > "Maitreya," you pooh-poohed the idea and wrote it off 
> > as just the antics of crazy Americans.
> . . . 
> > Do YOU believe that this Raj Patel guy is Maitreya?
> 
> Well Turq, since it's you that ask the question I will be 
> totally honest: I don't know ! 

OK, good answer. Thanks. 
. . .

> Just curious; what do you think about what Raj Patel says ?

I've been underwhelmed. Just another theoretical
thinker as far as I can tell. When he can back
up his theories with physical implementations of
them proving that they'll work, I'll listen. Until
then, to me he's Just Another Guy On YouTube. 

You were honest with me...I'm being honest with 
you. I don't mean this as a putdown, just where
I'm at with regard to theoretical thinkers. All
their theories plus $1.50 US will get you a bad
cup of coffee at Starbucks.

[FairfieldLife] FW: Raja Yoga

[Rick Archer]

 
 
From: Paul Mason [mailto:premanandp...@yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 7:56 AM
To: Rick Archer
Subject: Raja Yoga
 

Since writing up my thoughts about the apparent differences of the meditation 
taught by Guru Dev and that of Mahesh, as TM, I have been coming back to it 
from time-to-time and polishing it up, adding quotes, and generally bedding it 
into my introduction to Guru Dev on my website. 
I have anchored it so it is easilly accessible - here is the link:-
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/introduction.htm#rajayoga
 

[FairfieldLife] The Real Price of Food; Raj Patel

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21b8kRKcgV4&NR=1

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[nablusoss1008]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel survive? 
> 
> Nabby, here's a question for you. 
> 
> When Raj (not Jay) Patel's name came up earlier as the 
> person that many of Creme's followers had decided was 
> "Maitreya," you pooh-poohed the idea and wrote it off 
> as just the antics of crazy Americans.


Correct, I still do.


I think it is untrue to say that "many" of Mr. Creme's "followers" said that. A 
few immature souls only. 

BTW; Mr. Creme has no followers per se. He is widely respected but is no 
"Guru". If you said that to his face he would probably laugh for ten minutes !

http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2010/2010-03.htm


> 
> Since then you've posted article after article after
> YouTube video after YouTube video of the guy, and seem
> obsessed with him.

I would not use that word, but charmed and in some ways challenged; most 
certainly.

> 
> Do YOU believe that this Raj Patel guy is Maitreya?

Well Turq, since it's you that ask the question I will be totally honest: I 
don't know ! 

I don't have a clue about this. I think Mr. Patel should be listened to because 
of his ideas, which in many ways are revolutionary and thought-provoking.

Maharishi created many "waves" of change on infinite levels, levels that only 
the future will reveal. I happen to think that this is one of those; that's why 
I become happy and, and as you rightly point out 

"> posted article after article after
> YouTube video after YouTube video of the guy"

It makes me happy, very happy to see that a distinguished fellow articulate the 
wisdom of Maharishi in his own language in a convincing way. To tell you the 
honest truth; I have been waiting for such a thing to happen.

I've pointed out before that you are clueless as to who might be "close" to 
Maharishi.

> 
> Simple question. Will you answer it?

I just did.

Just curious; what do you think about what Raj Patel says ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P03nNeYiJo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[Vaj]

On Mar 8, 2010, at 10:03 AM, WillyTex wrote:




> > Well other than to stop reading once one sees
> "Vaishnavas believe " since some will
> realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief
> system, but a number of different belief systems
> centered around Vishnu, the ones who don't know
> that will think "wow, that's interesting." The
> others will think "wow, what a bunch of BS."
> >
meetoo:
> Dude, the 'bunch of BS' comment - way harsh...
>
According to Vaj, almost everything anyone says
about India is 'B.S.'



No that's not according to me. Some say good things, some bad, some  
in between.


Go figure.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[Vaj]

On Mar 7, 2010, at 10:35 PM, metoostill wrote:

As to what Vaishnavas believe, yes Vishnu features large, as you  
pointed out yourself, proposing meaning, as I had. Vishnu features  
so large that they are in fact dualists and not, like adherents of  
advaita, non-dualists.



Shankara was probably the most famous Vaishnava.

In the TM puja, invoking Shankara's lineage, we start with Vishnu and  
Narayana.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ha ha Avatar not so great !

[WillyTex]

> > Now we can move on from this pretentious 
> montrosity of a movie.
> 
Sal:
> Amen--and now maybe we won't have to waste 
> any more afternoons or evenings sitting 
> through another one of Cameron's interminable,
> over-hyped, way over-produced, anti-septic,
> silly "message" movies, with little heart and
> even less soul, with actors who aren't acting 
> and a plot you couldn't find if you had a map.
>
So, you saw 'Avatar'.

> The guy doesn't direct movies, he directs 
> production brochures.  And I'm just delighted 
> the Academy agreed with me :) and passed the 
> Oscars on to those movies that actually 
> deserved it.  
>
You mean, the one's you didn't see? LOL!

> You know, the ones that had all that 
> old-fashioned stuff like plot, acting and 
> stories with characters people actually could 
> care about.
> 
You are supposed to see the movies BEFORE you
post your comments, Sal.

[FairfieldLife] Scientists discover heaviest element yet known to Science

[Vaj]

Researchers have discovered the heaviest element yet known to  
science. The new element, Governmentium (symbol=Gv), has one neutron,  
25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons and 198 assistant deputy  
neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which  
are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called  
pillocks. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However,  
it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it  
comes into contact.

A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would  
normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to  
complete. Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years. It  
does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganisation in which a  
portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since  
each reorganisation will cause more morons to become neutrons,  
forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron promotion leads some  
scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons  
reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is  
referred to as a critical morass. When catalysed with money,  
Governmentium becomes Administratium (symbol=Ad), an element that  
radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as  
many pillocks but twice as many morons. Under circumstances of severe  
stress (high temperature = chaos) Governmentium decays into Gordonium  
after about 3 years and becomes totally inert.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Stampede in an Indian Temple

[WillyTex]

> > Well other than to stop reading once one sees 
> "Vaishnavas believe " since some will 
> realize Vaishnavas are not a monolithic belief 
> system, but a number of different belief systems 
> centered around Vishnu, the ones who don't know 
> that will think "wow, that's interesting." The 
> others will think "wow, what a bunch of BS."
> > 
meetoo:
> Dude, the 'bunch of BS' comment - way harsh...
>
According to Vaj, almost everything anyone says 
about India is 'B.S.' Vaj, has a Patanjali guru, 
a Tantric guru; a Nath guru' he has sat at the 
feet of the Shankaracharya; and Vaj studied at a 
'Himalayan Institute' in Pennsylvania.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Last chance America.

[WillyTex]

off:
> I supported Ron Paul for leader of the Republicans, 
> 
Ron Paul does not support Obama's health insurance 
reform.

> and I STILL DO!
>
Ron Paul still does not support Obama's health insurance 
reform. Ron Paul voted 'no' on Obama's health care bill.

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[authfriend]

If you'd read the posts here, Barry, you wouldn't
have to ask stupid questions:

"I am certainly not fueling the speculations of who Maitreya
might be in my postings of Raj Patel. For me Patel is simply
a unique and articulate devotee of the ideas of Maharishi."

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/242935


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
> >
> > And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel survive? 
> 
> Nabby, here's a question for you. 
> 
> When Raj (not Jay) Patel's name came up earlier as the 
> person that many of Creme's followers had decided was 
> "Maitreya," you pooh-poohed the idea and wrote it off 
> as just the antics of crazy Americans.
> 
> Since then you've posted article after article after
> YouTube video after YouTube video of the guy, and seem
> obsessed with him.
> 
> Do YOU believe that this Raj Patel guy is Maitreya?
> 
> Simple question. Will you answer it?

[FairfieldLife] Simple Question for Nabby (was Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full docu)

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008  wrote:
>
> And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel survive? 

Nabby, here's a question for you. 

When Raj (not Jay) Patel's name came up earlier as the 
person that many of Creme's followers had decided was 
"Maitreya," you pooh-poohed the idea and wrote it off 
as just the antics of crazy Americans.

Since then you've posted article after article after
YouTube video after YouTube video of the guy, and seem
obsessed with him.

Do YOU believe that this Raj Patel guy is Maitreya?

Simple question. Will you answer it?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Daniel Ellsberg; the full documentary

[nablusoss1008]

And along another line of thinking; How long will Jay Patel survive ? 

We all know the CIA tried again and again to silence Maharishi and failed. The 
ridicelous americans even sent armed men into the Kulm to "finish the job"; was 
stopped by fellows who later became known as "WHIMS" and blew up His DC3 at an 
airport in Germany, close to the Swiss border. 

They did not have a chance of "success" ofcourse due to the Divine strenght of 
the Invincibility of Nature. With the blessings of Guru Dev Maharishi is 
personally and forever invincible; how could they even dream of silencing Him, 
the embodiment of Purusha, the personification of Heaven on Earth  ? 

The same principle that now protects Raj Patel. Capitalists in America wants' 
to shut him up, but they can't; it's not possible due to the blessing Maharishi 
has bestowed upon the american people and the nation as a whole. 

First Maharishi blesses them, then they try to kill Him. Will His blessing go 
away, evaporate as it were, as if nothing happened ? 
Certainly not. 

Though I do not understand the americans in every way I do know they are 
blessed.


There will be volumes written on this issue in the future.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientology article in todays NY Times.

[Buck]

Dear Geez,  responding to this as a conservative meditator I don't git the 
similarity.  Theirs (scientology) is based on a gizmo and TM is self-evident 
scientific experiential.  Their auditing is the gizmo and therapy,  TM's is 
simply checking meditation, which is experiential.  

TM's got nothing like the gizmo audit of scientology.  Only thing close to the 
gizmo audit is when meditators would apply to TM course administrators to go on 
TM organization courses.  Yeah, the TM movement keeps files.  Okay, the 
file-making is similar.  Okay, the administrators bare a resemblance.  The 
architecture too.   But compare the peer-review science.  Scientology don't 
hold a candle compared to TM.

You been checked?  

If you can't see the spiritual difference with Scientology, may be you should 
go get your meditation checked.  A good old fashioned group meditation at a 
Peace Palace just might serve in place of an individual checking.  It might be 
real good for you to come back and  meditate in a group.  Have that experience 
again.  

You live in California?  The silent group meditations at the SRF facilities are 
open to sit in with.  That could be a good substitute for TM Peace Palace 
meditations that way if for some reason you can't find your way in to a TM 
Peace Palace.

JGD,
-Buck in FF

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Today's NY Times has a very fascinating article on Scientology. Read it 
> carefully and ask yourself if any of this reminds you of the time you spent 
> at or near the power center of the TMO. I didn't know they had "Ideal 
> Cities". What if a Vedic City and a Scientology "Ideal City" were next to 
> each other and had an issue they didn't agree on.
> 
> Would a holy wara "jihad", start??
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/07/us/07scientology.html
>

[FairfieldLife] Daniel Ellsberg; the full documentary

[nablusoss1008]

You could google this documentary until you puke but you won't find it.
I finally did in a strange corner of earth; here it is. Hopefully you will be 
able to watch.

http://www1.nrk.no/nett-tv/klipp/616619

[FairfieldLife] "Smart Dumb People"; why the USA goes down the drain

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF8nuvGyngU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlmQeSpqI4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AGb8nH1Ni4

[FairfieldLife] The Most Dangerous Man in America

[nablusoss1008]

http://www.mostdangerousman.org/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientology article in todays NY Times.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
> >
> > Today's NY Times has a very fascinating article on Scientology. 
> > Read it carefully and ask yourself if any of this reminds you 
> > of the time you spent at or near the power center of the TMO. 
> > I didn't know they had "Ideal Cities". What if a Vedic City and 
> > a Scientology "Ideal City" were next to each other and had an 
> > issue they didn't agree on.
> > 
> > Would a holy wara "jihad", start??
> 
> Of course. But the big question is...who would win?
> 
> The Scientologists would be going around putting live
> rattlesnakes in the mailboxes of the Vedic City houses
> and the VC folks would probably never notice because
> they'd be so busy repeating the buzzphrase "invincible"
> that they'd space out forget to check the mail. :-)
> 
> All in all I'd be bettin' on the Scientologists to win
> because their belief system involves doing their own
> dirty work whereas the TM belief system involves paying
> little brown boys to chant to gods who are then supposed 
> to arrange the "hit" against their enemies in exchange 
> for chanting, rice, ghee, and lots of cash. Given a 
> real-life person wielding a heavy hardback copy of 
> "Dianetics" as a deadly weapon vs. a made-up mythical 
> being wielding an equally made-up, mythical weapon, 
> I'm gonna have go with the guy with the heavy book
> as the odds-on favorite.

Even if the war came down to a "battle of the
celebrity spokespersons," as it might because
TMers are fond of war myths in which having one
famous guy like Krishna on your side makes all the 
difference, I'm gonna go with the Scientologists.

I mean, who are the TMer's going to trot out on
their side? Paul McCartney? David Lynch? Clint
is almost 80, so what's he going to do...sneer
at the enemy? Heather Graham could flash the
enemy and distract them, but for how long?

Compare and contrast to John Travolta and Tom 
Cruise, both of whom have kicked major butt on
the silver screen and look fit enough to do a 
little of it in real life. And Kirstie Alley 
takes a lot of shit for packin' on the pounds,
but I'd bet that heft would come in handy when
swinging a heavy weapon. She'd take out Heather
in a heartbeat.

If the war came down to a "battle of the champions,"
meaning the real leaders of the orgs in question
as opposed to their celebrity mouthpieces, I still
think Scientology has the edge. David Miscavige vs.
King Tony? Give me a break. Miscavige has a history
of physically beating people up who disagree with 
him, and Da King can't even speak harshly to anyone 
who disagrees with him, because he's not allowed to 
speak. What's King Tony gonna do..."silence" 
Miscavige by making pranam gestures at him?

Even if the leaders were able to choose a "voiceover"
person to do all their talking (and in this case, 
fighting) for them, King Tony has only Raja Hagelin
to speak for him and Scientology has Nancy Cartwright,
the voice of Bart Simpson. Hagelin vs. Bart Simpson?
No contest. Hagelin would try to talk some shit about
quantum mechanics and Bart would say "Eat my shorts."
And if King Tony chose Bevan instead of Hagelin as
his stand-in, Bart could just look at him and say,
"Don't have a cow, man...or eat another one, as it
appears you already did at lunch."

[FairfieldLife] Re: Scientology article in todays NY Times.

[TurquoiseB]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe"  wrote:
>
> Today's NY Times has a very fascinating article on Scientology. 
> Read it carefully and ask yourself if any of this reminds you 
> of the time you spent at or near the power center of the TMO. 
> I didn't know they had "Ideal Cities". What if a Vedic City and 
> a Scientology "Ideal City" were next to each other and had an 
> issue they didn't agree on.
> 
> Would a holy wara "jihad", start??

Of course. But the big question is...who would win?

The Scientologists would be going around putting live
rattlesnakes in the mailboxes of the Vedic City houses
and the VC folks would probably never notice because
they'd be so busy repeating the buzzphrase "invincible"
that they'd space out forget to check the mail. :-)

All in all I'd be bettin' on the Scientologists to win
because their belief system involves doing their own
dirty work whereas the TM belief system involves paying
little brown boys to chant to gods who are then supposed 
to arrange the "hit" against their enemies in exchange 
for chanting, rice, ghee, and lots of cash. Given a 
real-life person wielding a heavy hardback copy of 
"Dianetics" as a deadly weapon vs. a made-up mythical 
being wielding an equally made-up, mythical weapon, 
I'm gonna have go with the guy with the heavy book
as the odds-on favorite.