[FairfieldLife] Re: What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > Therefore I am reposting WHAT HE ACTUALLY > > SAID ABOUT VAJ below, with the recommendation > > that people read it. It's only five paragraphs > > long. > > > > THIS, said by a person who introduced himself as > > a licensed therapist, is what Judy is trying to > > put on the same level as Vaj calling her deranged > > and Pete stating the obvious about Willytex, as a > > joke. > > Heeheehee. In a searing flash of insight at some point > between his last attack and this one, Barry finally > realized to his horror how badly he'd screwed up. > > So he's trying frantically to backpedal into something > he thinks might possibly make marginally more sense. No, Barry is just taking advantage of you having really "posted out" after lying about it once :-) to bring people's attention back to what you have been trying to distract them from with your nitpick "Internet psychological diagnosis" irrelevancies. We all know that you are one of the few people who probably read all the way to the bottom of Michael's post. That means you're one of the few people who knew WHAT HE REALLY SAID. You didn't want people to know that, so you led them off into distraction territory, by presenting him as merely doing the same thing that Vaj did or that Pete did. But neither of them called anyone a demon, or a rak- shasa. Michael did insinuate that Vaj was one. IMO *that* is what you've been trying to distract folks from. After all, you can't let anyone get the impression that the person who "dropped in" to attack Vaj is fuckin' certifiable enough to believe that someone he doesn't like is a demon, right? And you can't let people get the *true* impression that you are defending this nut case, right? Let's put it to the test -- do YOU think that Vaj is a rakshasa, Judy? That would tend to explain your obsession with him all these years. Someone of your stature wouldn't waste her time day after day, year after year for a decade or more trying to...uh...demonize someone who was a mere human, right? :-) Who ELSE do you believe is a rakshasa, Judy? And are you like Nabby, and believe that some of these rakshasas *also* work for the CIA? Do tell. :-) Buh-bye. Have fun on the bench.
[FairfieldLife] The mystery of falling crime rates
http://theweek.com The mystery of falling crime rates Despite widespread economic hardship, the nation's crime rate has continued to fall. Why? POSTED ON JULY 9, 2010, AT 11:10 AM What do crime statistics show? The historic drop in crime that began in the early 1990s continues. Last year, violent crime fell an impressive 5.5 percent nationwide, marking the third straight year of decline after an even longer-lasting drop briefly lost momentum earlier in the decade. The cumulative falloff is truly remarkable: Murders slipped 7 percent last year, to 15,100nearly 45 percent below the 1991 peak. And the declines involve nearly every category of crime, in communities big and small What explains the decline? Nobody is sure, though at least some credit must go to improved policing methods... Continues at: http://theweek.com/article/index/204750/the-mystery-of-falling-crime-rates And one comment posted on the article: The most credible explanation for falling crime rates in the USA is to be found here: http://www.permanentpeace.org/evidence/index.htmlA coherence creating group has been in place in Iowa over the period the crime has been falling. The scientific evidence linking reductions in crime and violence to the group practice of Transcendentql Meditation and its advanced techniques including yogic flying has been accumulating over 32 years. Posted by Dr Richard Broome, 2010-07-20
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon/Question for John
While not arguing your point, it would be difficult to name one valid study that remotely supports higher states of consciousness, the divine, Brahman, shakti, guru darshan, or even love. And not one study remotely disproves jyotish (as if jyotish is one thing. Disproving one school does not disprove all of jyotish.) I am not a fan or promoter of jyotish -- but I have found some uncanny coincidences using it to view my personal life. Such as life timelines -- and when a number of major events have occurred. Regardless, just as a mental exercise, doing jyotish in your head - has got to be enlivening new neuro-pathways -- the shape and structure of various charts and its various dimensions has an enlivening complexity, IMO. Your critic seems to dwell on global predictions -- which is a little tiny branch of jyotish -- mundane. Far more jyotish on personal level. I am disappointed when jyotish enthusiasts make bold predictions and then claim -- but because of jupiter aspect it may not happen. Thus it may happen, it may not. At least a broken clock has a higher prediction success rate - twice a day. But this odd fellow appears to find value in jyotish. But what does he know? Clearly nothing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReP7zu_6uL0&feature=related Me, I don't know. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > WTF, Johnny boy, seems like I've pissed you off. You didn't mention anything > about September in your original post. You said, "tomorrow" (July 20th) the > specific conjunction would occur and stated some catastrophic event would > occur. Now you claim that we have to wait all the way to early September! > Again, a post hoc rationalization to justify a pseudo-science. I trash > jyotish because it deserves to be trashed. Name one, ONE, empirical study > that even remotely supports any predictive ability of jyotish. All post hoc > nonsense. If you want to impress anyone with jyotish, please make a specific > prediction, not random scenarios. > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, John wrote: > > > From: John > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming > > Soon/Question for John > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:44 PM > > Peter, you shoot from the hip too > > much. If you read my reply to do.reflex in this same > > thread, I stated that the conjunction will last until the > > first week of September. That means we're not out of > > the woods yet. > > > > Your bias against jyotish is obviously making you > > blind. Next time, please aim carefully before you > > shoot your own foot. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > Peter wrote: > > > > > > John, in all seriousness when you make a bold > > prediction like this, and essentially nothing happens, > > doesn't that give you pause and make you wonder about > > jyotish? I could add, "your ability" with jyotish, but this > > miss rate with jyotish seems to be the most common outcome > > of all those predicting with it. Post hoc, it's great, but > > that's not saying much! > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Hugo > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: Hugo > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn > > Conjunction Coming Soon > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > > "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, > > 2010. In > > > > jyotish, this conjunction is considered to be > > very > > > > malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > > > > possible that there can be a major accident in > > the USA > > > > similar to the train wreck in India. There > > might be an > > > > attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization to > > disrupt the > > > > peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering > > hatred in > > > > the Middle East may erupt again with some kind of > > attacks in > > > > the Gaza Strip, Iraq or Iran. > > > > > > > > > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting > > this > > > > conjunction. As such, the negative effects may > > be > > > > mitigated or eliminated altogether. > > > > > > > > Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > Therefore I am reposting WHAT HE ACTUALLY > SAID ABOUT VAJ below, with the recommendation > that people read it. It's only five paragraphs > long. > > THIS, said by a person who introduced himself as > a licensed therapist, is what Judy is trying to > put on the same level as Vaj calling her deranged > and Pete stating the obvious about Willytex, as a > joke. Heeheehee. In a searing flash of insight at some point between his last attack and this one, Barry finally realized to his horror how badly he'd screwed up. So he's trying frantically to backpedal into something he thinks might possibly make marginally more sense. FAIL. Previously on this channel: "You would defend Satan himself if he showed up and dissed Vaj, and everyone here but you knows this." Sure, Barry. I'm "defending" Michael by putting him "on the same level" as Peter, the guy I just reamed out for inexcusably unethical behavior. Tell us another one. And I'm the whacko? What a putz.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha/Dzogchen Books
On Jul 21, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Peter wrote: > Vaj, what would be a good book or two to introduce oneself to Dzogchen? Dzogchen For Dummies. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha/Dzogchen Books
Vaj, what would be a good book or two to introduce oneself to Dzogchen? --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Vaj wrote: From: Vaj Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha ! To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 7:32 PM On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:48 PM, WillyTex wrote: I see it no more special than the movement of thought... Uh, oh! Vaj got mixed up again. "The great demon of ignorant and discursive thought causes one to sink in the ocean of samsara. But when freed from this discursive thought, there is the indescribable state, beyond conceptual mind. Besides mere discursive thoughts, There is not even the words of 'samsara' and 'nirvana'. The total calming down of discursive thought Is the suchness of Dharmadhatu..." - Nyoshul Khenpo Jamyang Dorje http://tinyurl.com/25zz8n8 I'm sorry to confuse you Willy and send you into a tizzy, I was speaking of the View of Dzogchen, which I thought was obvious. Other vehicles see thought very differently. It's common to look at nine different views. The view you're expressing is more a sutric View (where the three main subdivisions are Sutra, Tantra and Dzogchen), In Dzogchen the movement of thought is called gyuwa: "In Dzogchen contemplation, free from the defects of sleepiness, agitation and distraction, both the moments of calm that occur between one thought and another, and the movements of thoughts themselves are integrated in the non-dual presence of Enlightened awareness. The term rigpa (the opposite of marigpa—-the fundamental delusion of dualistic mind) indicates the pure presence of this inherently self-liberating awareness, in which thought is neither rejected nor followed." -The Crystal and the Way of Light by N.N. Rinpoche. First one introduces techniques to reveal the calm, transcendent or thought-free state, but as soon as one "gets that", one is ready to move on to integrating with the movement of thought. One doesn't hang around, doing transcendent practice for years or decades. One goes for the highest first, rather than sticking around for the lowest first. Of course, TMers are famous for falling asleep. So it's hard for most TMers IME to recognize the nondual natural condition; if they do accidentally, they'll typically start ranting that they're enlightened. Though IME the over-emphasis on silence usually relegates them to sleep more than awakening...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
there's a flaw in your reasoning pertaining to the following statement: "One goes for the highest first, rather than sticking around for the lowest first. " First, in TM what one "goes for" is dictacted mainly by the current state of one's consciousness including embedded physilogical stress (and stress on all levels). The result or outcome of TM is not oriented toward "going for something" but rather a spontaneous and possibly unexpected result of a nearly effortless technique. If there were any logic in the argument of "what one goes for", then Neo-Advaita would be superior to Dzogchen since what goes for in Poonja's Neo-Advaita is immediate, non-progressive Enlightenment on the spot, with the practice of no techniques at all! There are a lot of things that people "go for" which don't necessarily match the results. So the bottom line is some result, and how long the results take, regardless of what people "go for" in terms of expectations, hopes, and fantasies. Also, you consistently forget to tell people about the preliminary practices in Dzogchen. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:48 PM, WillyTex wrote: > > >> > >> I see it no more special than the movement of thought... > >> > > Uh, oh! Vaj got mixed up again. > > > > "The great demon of ignorant and discursive thought causes > > one to sink in the ocean of samsara. But when freed from > > this discursive thought, there is the indescribable state, > > beyond conceptual mind. Besides mere discursive thoughts, > > There is not even the words of 'samsara' and 'nirvana'. The > > total calming down of discursive thought Is the suchness of > > Dharmadhatu..." - Nyoshul Khenpo Jamyang Dorje > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/25zz8n8 > > > I'm sorry to confuse you Willy and send you into a tizzy, I was speaking of > the View of Dzogchen, which I thought was obvious. Other vehicles see thought > very differently. It's common to look at nine different views. The view > you're expressing is more a sutric View (where the three main subdivisions > are Sutra, Tantra and Dzogchen), > > In Dzogchen the movement of thought is called gyuwa: > > "In Dzogchen contemplation, free from the defects of sleepiness, agitation > and distraction, both the moments of calm that occur between one thought and > another, and the movements of thoughts themselves are integrated in the > non-dual presence of Enlightened awareness. The term rigpa (the opposite of > marigpa-the fundamental delusion of dualistic mind) indicates the pure > presence of this inherently self-liberating awareness, in which thought is > neither rejected nor followed." > > -The Crystal and the Way of Light by N.N. Rinpoche. > > First one introduces techniques to reveal the calm, transcendent or > thought-free state, but as soon as one "gets that", one is ready to move on > to integrating with the movement of thought. One doesn't hang around, doing > transcendent practice for years or decades. One goes for the highest first, > rather than sticking around for the lowest first. > > Of course, TMers are famous for falling asleep. So it's hard for most TMers > IME to recognize the nondual natural condition; if they do accidentally, > they'll typically start ranting that they're enlightened. Though IME the > over-emphasis on silence usually relegates them to sleep more than > awakening... >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
Hawkins...right...the applied kinesiology guy. Energygrid website says this about him: " As you can imagine, by presenting himself as a scientist able to objectively and absolutely test and calibrate truth by pushing down on another person's arm, Hawkins is one of the most controversial teachers on the New Age circuit. For his supporters (and for Hawkins himself), he is a brilliant academic, scientific genius and enlightened spiritual master who has discovered something of immense importance to humanity a means to objectively test truth and calibrate consciousness for the first time in history. But to his detractors, he is an ignorant, self-serving, egotistical and right-wing cult-leader masquerading as a scientist and playing God, who has based his entire philosophy or "work" on a simple muscle technique misappropriated from Applied Kinesiology, an alternative and controversial therapy that itself regards the muscle test as neither objective nor conclusive on matters of truth. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > escapism shtick is *not* working for a lot of people. > > > > From my POV this is a tendency fostered in many spiritual movements. You > > just happen to live in one where TM is prevalent. But unless the technique > > includes antidotes for the dryness of non-mentation, whatever the religion > > or technique, it can lead to problems. I particularly noticed around > > alleged TM-style awakeners an inability to transcend and include mentation > > as part of the awakened landscape. While at one time I would have seen, > > because of my TM conditioning, silence as an absolute virtue, now I see it > > no more special than the movement of thought; in fact overemphasis on just > > "silence" seems unhealthy to me. > > > > > > Well, actually there is a lot more going on spiritually in Fairfield than TM. > Is a lot of spiritual practice going on. Someone shared this e-mail below > which, although is someone else enumerating, is inclusive of what all is here > and practiced in experience also. Seeing it kind of depends who you sit with. > That is what makes Fairfield such an interesting place aside from the TM > movement, as you are open to it. There is quite a graduate community here > beyond TM both inside and outside the domes. The place is hardly monolithic > like some would like it to be. JGD, -Buck in FF > > > "Q: What should one focus on in meditation? > > A: There are three basic styles that can be described that are effective and > fruitful. The first could be described as psychological insight or > self-examination. The second is through the thought field, and the third is > the > simplest by which to bypass the thought field. > > ,,, > > Style 3: Bypassing the Mind. > > Whereas Styles 1 and 2 are educative, Style 3 is purely subjective/ > experiential and not mental, psychological, emotional, or conceptual. It is > the most rapid and basic and consists of a simple doingness. The steps > are very simple; relax completely and deeply; close the eyes; witness the > visual field and merely focus on what is witnessed. Within the darkness, > notice numerous tiny bits of dancing light phenomena (called phosphens). > Become at one with the lights (thoughtlessness ensues), and merge with the > visual field. In due time, the context simultaneously begins to shift and > deepen. The seeming separation between the witness and the observer > disappears. One becomes the phenomenon sans a localized observer. > > Eventually, only awareness itself prevails, and all is spontaneous and > nondual. The mind is bypassed. With practice, the capacity to be one with the > silent, thoughtless state can be maintained with the eyes open. > One then lives within the silent state." > > -Excerpt from latest book by Dr. David R.Hawkins >
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
According to Madhavacharya, souls are eternally separate in nature from Ishvara, the supreme ruler. Individual souls were originally generated with different guna-s as part of their essential nature. Jiva-s are not and have never been nir-guna but are eternally sa-guna. Whatever guna-s predominate in their individual constitution will define their intellection, volition and action. Their karmic destiny is therefore a function of their nature. Consequently, souls which are naturally formed from the three guna-s will believe and act according to those guna-s. Souls which are governed primarily by tamo guna, although capable of ascending to an equal and spacious view when some sattva dominates, will automatically descend back into a sheer materialistic view when nature rebalances itself. Perhaps your disbelief reflects your highly refined sense of justice/injustice which demands that that everyone "doing wrong" gets a pitchfork up their arse, at least in the final act of the opera. Perhaps your disbelief, however, is not in the primitive idea of some biblical ransom paid in jesus-blood to get you out of your hell-bound destiny. Perhaps your disbelief is just the straightforward function of your individual guna-s and you have all of eternity to paint on the space-time canvas whatever forms you wish to create and destroy. You would never realize anutara-samyak-sambodhana but you might actually prefer eternally dancing with the guna-s to any type of breathless liberation. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" emptybill@ wrote: > > > The point, as my friend with 15 years in India put it ... is that this > > is where they all get their shakti from - i.e. surrender. They all may > > indeed be quite imperfect but the wise ones alway return after falling > > down and do danda-pranam and give it all up. > > > So, it's some variation of the "ask Jesus for forgiveness" routine. > "Sin" or fail as much as you want. Jesus will forgive you. Not sure if > go along with that. I just didn't ever pick that up. >
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > escapism shtick is *not* working for a lot of people. > > From my POV this is a tendency fostered in many spiritual movements. You just > happen to live in one where TM is prevalent. But unless the technique > includes antidotes for the dryness of non-mentation, whatever the religion or > technique, it can lead to problems. I particularly noticed around alleged > TM-style awakeners an inability to transcend and include mentation as part of > the awakened landscape. While at one time I would have seen, because of my TM > conditioning, silence as an absolute virtue, now I see it no more special > than the movement of thought; in fact overemphasis on just "silence" seems > unhealthy to me. > Well, actually there is a lot more going on spiritually in Fairfield than TM. Is a lot of spiritual practice going on. Someone shared this e-mail below which, although is someone else enumerating, is inclusive of what all is here and practiced in experience also. Seeing it kind of depends who you sit with. That is what makes Fairfield such an interesting place aside from the TM movement, as you are open to it. There is quite a graduate community here beyond TM both inside and outside the domes. The place is hardly monolithic like some would like it to be. JGD, -Buck in FF "Q: What should one focus on in meditation? A: There are three basic styles that can be described that are effective and fruitful. The first could be described as psychological insight or self-examination. The second is through the thought field, and the third is the simplest by which to bypass the thought field. ,,, Style 3: Bypassing the Mind. Whereas Styles 1 and 2 are educative, Style 3 is purely subjective/ experiential and not mental, psychological, emotional, or conceptual. It is the most rapid and basic and consists of a simple doingness. The steps are very simple; relax completely and deeply; close the eyes; witness the visual field and merely focus on what is witnessed. Within the darkness, notice numerous tiny bits of dancing light phenomena (called phosphens). Become at one with the lights (thoughtlessness ensues), and merge with the visual field. In due time, the context simultaneously begins to shift and deepen. The seeming separation between the witness and the observer disappears. One becomes the phenomenon sans a localized observer. Eventually, only awareness itself prevails, and all is spontaneous and nondual. The mind is bypassed. With practice, the capacity to be one with the silent, thoughtless state can be maintained with the eyes open. One then lives within the silent state." -Excerpt from latest book by Dr. David R.Hawkins
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
On Jul 21, 2010, at 6:48 PM, WillyTex wrote: >> >> I see it no more special than the movement of thought... >> > Uh, oh! Vaj got mixed up again. > > "The great demon of ignorant and discursive thought causes > one to sink in the ocean of samsara. But when freed from > this discursive thought, there is the indescribable state, > beyond conceptual mind. Besides mere discursive thoughts, > There is not even the words of 'samsara' and 'nirvana'. The > total calming down of discursive thought Is the suchness of > Dharmadhatu..." - Nyoshul Khenpo Jamyang Dorje > > > http://tinyurl.com/25zz8n8 I'm sorry to confuse you Willy and send you into a tizzy, I was speaking of the View of Dzogchen, which I thought was obvious. Other vehicles see thought very differently. It's common to look at nine different views. The view you're expressing is more a sutric View (where the three main subdivisions are Sutra, Tantra and Dzogchen), In Dzogchen the movement of thought is called gyuwa: "In Dzogchen contemplation, free from the defects of sleepiness, agitation and distraction, both the moments of calm that occur between one thought and another, and the movements of thoughts themselves are integrated in the non-dual presence of Enlightened awareness. The term rigpa (the opposite of marigpa—-the fundamental delusion of dualistic mind) indicates the pure presence of this inherently self-liberating awareness, in which thought is neither rejected nor followed." -The Crystal and the Way of Light by N.N. Rinpoche. First one introduces techniques to reveal the calm, transcendent or thought-free state, but as soon as one "gets that", one is ready to move on to integrating with the movement of thought. One doesn't hang around, doing transcendent practice for years or decades. One goes for the highest first, rather than sticking around for the lowest first. Of course, TMers are famous for falling asleep. So it's hard for most TMers IME to recognize the nondual natural condition; if they do accidentally, they'll typically start ranting that they're enlightened. Though IME the over-emphasis on silence usually relegates them to sleep more than awakening...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
> I see it no more special than the movement of thought... > Uh, oh! Vaj got mixed up again. "The great demon of ignorant and discursive thought causes one to sink in the ocean of samsara. But when freed from this discursive thought, there is the indescribable state, beyond conceptual mind. Besides mere discursive thoughts, There is not even the words of 'samsara' and 'nirvana'. The total calming down of discursive thought Is the suchness of Dharmadhatu..." - Nyoshul Khenpo Jamyang Dorje http://tinyurl.com/25zz8n8
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Peter wrote: > Which one, Buddha or the Krishna guy? ;-) How 'bout those lies, though! I'm > cleaning out my spiritual library as we speak! I gotta say Prabhupada always creeped me out, despite my love for Hari Krishna movement food.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
Which one, Buddha or the Krishna guy? ;-) How 'bout those lies, though! I'm cleaning out my spiritual library as we speak! --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Vaj wrote: > From: Vaj > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha ! > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 5:14 PM > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:06 PM, John wrote: > > > An acharya on the internet said that Srila Prabhupada > of ISKCON, at his death bed, admitted he lied to his > disciples about the ease of bhakti yoga. It's actually > harder than just chanting the mahamantra. > > > > This same acharya also stated that the Buddha's > teachings are big lies. > > > Well thank gawd he's dead! > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buddha !
On Jul 21, 2010, at 5:06 PM, John wrote: > An acharya on the internet said that Srila Prabhupada of ISKCON, at his death > bed, admitted he lied to his disciples about the ease of bhakti yoga. It's > actually harder than just chanting the mahamantra. > > This same acharya also stated that the Buddha's teachings are big lies. Well thank gawd he's dead!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon/Question for John
WTF, Johnny boy, seems like I've pissed you off. You didn't mention anything about September in your original post. You said, "tomorrow" (July 20th) the specific conjunction would occur and stated some catastrophic event would occur. Now you claim that we have to wait all the way to early September! Again, a post hoc rationalization to justify a pseudo-science. I trash jyotish because it deserves to be trashed. Name one, ONE, empirical study that even remotely supports any predictive ability of jyotish. All post hoc nonsense. If you want to impress anyone with jyotish, please make a specific prediction, not random scenarios. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, John wrote: > From: John > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon/Question > for John > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:44 PM > Peter, you shoot from the hip too > much. If you read my reply to do.reflex in this same > thread, I stated that the conjunction will last until the > first week of September. That means we're not out of > the woods yet. > > Your bias against jyotish is obviously making you > blind. Next time, please aim carefully before you > shoot your own foot. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Peter wrote: > > > > John, in all seriousness when you make a bold > prediction like this, and essentially nothing happens, > doesn't that give you pause and make you wonder about > jyotish? I could add, "your ability" with jyotish, but this > miss rate with jyotish seems to be the most common outcome > of all those predicting with it. Post hoc, it's great, but > that's not saying much! > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Hugo > wrote: > > > > > From: Hugo > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn > Conjunction Coming Soon > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:55 AM > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > > "John" wrote: > > > > > > > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, > 2010. In > > > jyotish, this conjunction is considered to be > very > > > malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > > > possible that there can be a major accident in > the USA > > > similar to the train wreck in India. There > might be an > > > attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization to > disrupt the > > > peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering > hatred in > > > the Middle East may erupt again with some kind of > attacks in > > > the Gaza Strip, Iraq or Iran. > > > > > > > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting > this > > > conjunction. As such, the negative effects may > be > > > mitigated or eliminated altogether. > > > > > > Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Or go to: > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon
No John, because I'm a professional therapist in phrenology, the bumps on Hugo's head indicate that all will be well until September 23rd. After that, all bets are off. Again, in all seriousness, until someone's jyotish prediction actually comes true with any sort of reliability I'm not impressed with this pseudo-science. How can you even remotely support such nonsense? --- On Wed, 7/21/10, John wrote: > From: John > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 4:49 PM > You're celebrating a bit early old > chap. Please, read my response to Peter and do.relfex > on this thread. As we say here in the USA, the game is > not over until it's over. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "Hugo" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "John" wrote: > > > > > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, 2010. > In jyotish, this conjunction is considered to be very > malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > possible that there can be a major accident in the USA > similar to the train wreck in India. There might be an > attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization to disrupt the > peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering hatred in > the Middle East may erupt again with some kind of attacks in > the Gaza Strip, Iraq or Iran. > > > > > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting this > conjunction. As such, the negative effects may be > mitigated or eliminated altogether. > > > > Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon
You're celebrating a bit early old chap. Please, read my response to Peter and do.relfex on this thread. As we say here in the USA, the game is not over until it's over. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, 2010. In jyotish, this conjunction > > is considered to be very malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > > possible that there can be a major accident in the USA similar to the train > > wreck in India. There might be an attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization > > to disrupt the peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering hatred in the > > Middle East may erupt again with some kind of attacks in the Gaza Strip, > > Iraq or Iran. > > > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting this conjunction. As such, the > > negative effects may be mitigated or eliminated altogether. > > Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > > > > JR > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon/Question for John
Peter, you shoot from the hip too much. If you read my reply to do.reflex in this same thread, I stated that the conjunction will last until the first week of September. That means we're not out of the woods yet. Your bias against jyotish is obviously making you blind. Next time, please aim carefully before you shoot your own foot. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > John, in all seriousness when you make a bold prediction like this, and > essentially nothing happens, doesn't that give you pause and make you wonder > about jyotish? I could add, "your ability" with jyotish, but this miss rate > with jyotish seems to be the most common outcome of all those predicting with > it. Post hoc, it's great, but that's not saying much! > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Hugo wrote: > > > From: Hugo > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:55 AM > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "John" wrote: > > > > > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, 2010. In > > jyotish, this conjunction is considered to be very > > malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > > possible that there can be a major accident in the USA > > similar to the train wreck in India. There might be an > > attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization to disrupt the > > peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering hatred in > > the Middle East may erupt again with some kind of attacks in > > the Gaza Strip, Iraq or Iran. > > > > > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting this > > conjunction. As such, the negative effects may be > > mitigated or eliminated altogether. > > > > Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > > > > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
"One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path - currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said "Michael - I get the distinct feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth?" Jesus Christ, what a load of horseshit. This is just too much. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, TurquoiseB wrote: From: TurquoiseB Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 1:52 PM --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: > > > > Dr. Sutphen, a professional therapist, declares Judy to be > > of sound mind and body. Now she do be a tad whack from time > > to time, but that's just spice in the soup for us! > > Waving my M.E.R.U. degree to proclaim my professional > credentials, I suggest that when "from time to time" > goes on for over 16 years it just might be a little > more than "whack." > > But you're the professional here, Pete. If you think > "whack" is the appropriate DSM diagnosis, I'll go > with that and use the proper clinical term in the > future. > > I don't see how she can complain about that. As DSM > categories of personality disorder go, "whack" is > a lot easier to live with than the one Michael > Dean Goodman came up with for Vaj: "rakshasa." :-) This last point deserves to be expanded upon. Given all this talk about crazy vs. sane, I see most people here as FAR too sane to have actually read all of Michael Dean Goodman's post. As a result, they probably missed the part at the end. Therefore I am reposting WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID ABOUT VAJ below, with the recommendation that people read it. It's only five paragraphs long. THIS, said by a person who introduced himself as a licensed therapist, is what Judy is trying to put on the same level as Vaj calling her deranged and Pete stating the obvious about Willytex, as a joke. THIS is not "Internet psychological diagnosis." It's a person claiming to be a licensed therapist stating his professional conclusion that Vaj may be a demon, a rakshasa. THIS is insane. CONCLUSION #2: ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)? OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK? So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate spiritual guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch what he serves up. Instead we get Anti-authoritarian, we get Narciss- isism - and we maybe get something even more troubling: we get a dark smokescreen of confusion, negativity, obstruction... We get conscious misrepresentation and outright lying. We get refusal to reveal, refusal to answer simple questions. We get an attempt to obscure the Truth and replace it with confusion, complication, doubt, division, dark- ness. One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path - currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said "Michael - I get the distinct feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth?" So I took off my therapist's hat and put on my spiritual hat and I read back over Vaj's posts with this in mind, and looked at the overall theme, the overall tone, the overall feeling that he radiates through his words, the obsessive dedication to obstructing simplicity and truth for so many years - and I understood what my associate was saying. In the guise of being a man of both deep understanding and advanced personal experience, Vaj cleverly sows incredible confusion and doubt, like a good rakshasa would. There's a vedic warning that comes to mind: "Be careful, because the rakshasas (demons) can imitate Brahman better than Brahman itself." For Vaj's sake, I personally hope that he's just a severe anti-author- itarian narcissist, and not a rakshasa. The first is definitely easier to resolve and heal than the second!
[FairfieldLife] Re: The "dome badge" as IDEA, and the passive acceptance thereof
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > John Huston's iconic "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre" put a > whole new spin on badges, as in "We don't have to show you no > steenkin' badges," way back in 1948. Too bad it didn't "take." > > When you think about it, if you were a lurker, hanging out on > FFL to try to get a feel for what TM is, and what it has pro- > duced in its long-term practitioners, would you have to go > much further than "The meetings are open to all Sidhas with > a current dome badge in the Fairfield community" or "Please > bring your current Dome badge with you?" > > It's not just the bad taste a spiritual organization so elitist > and so paranoid that it could conceive of having to have an > officially-certified badge to qualify for its teachings leaves > in your mouth. It's the even more bitter aftertaste that so > many TMers not only put up with this on a regular basis, but > see nothing whatsoever odd about it. > Yes, it is revealing and there are things underneath. Right now there is a lot in play here inside about this. Between TM-Taliban rajas on one hand and progressive rajas on the other. There are rajas and there are rajas. Loyalty to doctrine as in guideline as M had it on the one hand and others more practical wanting to facilitate having people meditate and clear out the guidelines that keep people from that. Of necessity there are different areas of activity. Hagelin doing a secular movement teaching TM, Lynch effectively extra-territorial supporting that, there is MUM, Vedic City with the pundit project, & still some other businesses, then there is India, and other hemispheres of the work of the world. The rajas were all given responsibility in the end by M to 'administrate' as they would see fit though in the beginning without a known bylaw as to how to relate to one another necessarily. There is still a process of discovery as to what they have. They evidently do have this 'teaching' as some kind of asset and some lot of debt otherwise. &Yep, there is a strong lot of spiritual arrogance on the taliban doctrinal side that keeps them from relinquishing. Underneath the decorum there is a lot of yelling and screaming that goes on over these things inside rajastan. This 'current badge' matter is current and very much in play between the talibans and the progressives inside.In what way can old meditators, old TM-initiators, old TM-Siddhis-Governors of the TM-movement come in if at all. One party wants to press the guidelines further as fealty and the other wants to nullify how it has been done entirely. We will see shortly how it goes for the TM movement with this. The progressives would ideally and practically like to get the numbers in meditators to have it work out. The TM-talibans would fly the organization confusing guideline with 'teaching' in to the ground rather than accommodate. We'll see who bails on the way. JGD, Buck in FF
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > > Have you considered that we are watching the very clever > > tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth?" > > What can we say? MDG sure is giving Vaj a lot > of power over him. It's a cult thang. Really, it is. When critics make good points about a cult teacher or organization, the cultists almost always elevate them to an unrealistic mythic level. Being criticized by a fellow human being isn't grand enough for them; they have to portray the critic as a demon or an agent of Satan. > Come to think of it, I always figured "Vaj" > was code for Satan anyway. Busted. The truth (and yes, Vaj, I knew that I swore on the Satanic Bible that I would never reveal your true secret, but it's time) is that "Vaj" is not code for Satan, but "vagina." Vaj is a woman. Not *only* a woman, but the president of her local chapter of the National Organization of Women. Fascinatingly, the two women who call them- selves "feminists" here have been obsessing on and practicing character assassination on a fellow feminist. Go figure, eh? :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:52 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: > This last point deserves to be expanded upon. Given all > this talk about crazy vs. sane, I see most people here as > FAR too sane to have actually read all of Michael Dean > Goodman's post. As a result, they probably missed > the part at the end. > > Therefore I am reposting WHAT HE ACTUALLY > SAID ABOUT VAJ below, with the recommendation > that people read it. It's only five paragraphs long. > > THIS, said by a person who introduced himself as > a licensed therapist, is what Judy is trying to put on > the same level as Vaj calling her deranged and Pete > stating the obvious about Willytex, as a joke. > > THIS is not "Internet psychological diagnosis." > It's a person claiming to be a licensed therapist > stating his professional conclusion that Vaj may > be a demon, a rakshasa. > > THIS is insane. > > > CONCLUSION #2: > ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)? > OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK? > > So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate spiritual > guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch > what he serves up. Instead we get Anti-authoritarian, we get Narciss- > isism - and we maybe get something even more troubling: we get > a dark smokescreen of confusion, negativity, obstruction... We get > conscious misrepresentation and outright lying. We get refusal to reveal, > refusal to answer simple questions. We get an attempt to obscure the > Truth and replace it with confusion, complication, doubt, division, dark- > ness. > > One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- > sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path - > currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said "Michael - I get the distinct > feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic > Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the > very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth?" What can we say? MDG sure is giving Vaj a lot of power over him. Come to think of it, I always figured "Vaj" was code for Satan anyway. Busted. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
I'm trying to get Vaj reveal why he believes MMY is not a Yogi while Vaj's Guru Norbu Rinpoche is a Yogi. No reply yet from Vaj. ... "I sense a disturbance in the Force." "You always sense a disturbance in the Force. But yeah I sense it too." ¯Luke Skywalker and Kyle Katarn[src] --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: > > > > > > Dr. Sutphen, a professional therapist, declares Judy to be > > > of sound mind and body. Now she do be a tad whack from time > > > to time, but that's just spice in the soup for us! > > > > Waving my M.E.R.U. degree to proclaim my professional > > credentials, I suggest that when "from time to time" > > goes on for over 16 years it just might be a little > > more than "whack." > > > > But you're the professional here, Pete. If you think > > "whack" is the appropriate DSM diagnosis, I'll go > > with that and use the proper clinical term in the > > future. > > > > I don't see how she can complain about that. As DSM > > categories of personality disorder go, "whack" is > > a lot easier to live with than the one Michael > > Dean Goodman came up with for Vaj: "rakshasa." :-) > > This last point deserves to be expanded upon. Given all > this talk about crazy vs. sane, I see most people here as > FAR too sane to have actually read all of Michael Dean > Goodman's post. As a result, they probably missed > the part at the end. > > Therefore I am reposting WHAT HE ACTUALLY > SAID ABOUT VAJ below, with the recommendation > that people read it. It's only five paragraphs long. > > THIS, said by a person who introduced himself as > a licensed therapist, is what Judy is trying to put on > the same level as Vaj calling her deranged and Pete > stating the obvious about Willytex, as a joke. > > THIS is not "Internet psychological diagnosis." > It's a person claiming to be a licensed therapist > stating his professional conclusion that Vaj may > be a demon, a rakshasa. > > THIS is insane. > > > CONCLUSION #2: > ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)? > OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK? > > So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate spiritual > guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch > what he serves up. Instead we get Anti-authoritarian, we get Narciss- > isism - and we maybe get something even more troubling: we get > a dark smokescreen of confusion, negativity, obstruction... We get > conscious misrepresentation and outright lying. We get refusal to > reveal, > refusal to answer simple questions. We get an attempt to obscure the > Truth and replace it with confusion, complication, doubt, division, > dark- > ness. > > One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- > sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path > - > currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said "Michael - I get the > distinct > feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic > Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the > very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of > Truth?" > > So I took off my therapist's hat and put on my spiritual hat and I read > back over Vaj's posts with this in mind, and looked at the overall > theme, > the overall tone, the overall feeling that he radiates through his > words, > the obsessive dedication to obstructing simplicity and truth for so many > years - and I understood what my associate was saying. In the guise > of being a man of both deep understanding and advanced personal > experience, Vaj cleverly sows incredible confusion and doubt, like a > good rakshasa would. > > There's a vedic warning that comes to mind: > "Be careful, because the rakshasas (demons) can imitate Brahman > better than Brahman itself." > > For Vaj's sake, I personally hope that he's just a severe anti-author- > itarian narcissist, and not a rakshasa. The first is definitely easier > to > resolve and heal than the second! >
[FairfieldLife] What Michael Dean Goodman actually SAID about Vaj
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: > > > > Dr. Sutphen, a professional therapist, declares Judy to be > > of sound mind and body. Now she do be a tad whack from time > > to time, but that's just spice in the soup for us! > > Waving my M.E.R.U. degree to proclaim my professional > credentials, I suggest that when "from time to time" > goes on for over 16 years it just might be a little > more than "whack." > > But you're the professional here, Pete. If you think > "whack" is the appropriate DSM diagnosis, I'll go > with that and use the proper clinical term in the > future. > > I don't see how she can complain about that. As DSM > categories of personality disorder go, "whack" is > a lot easier to live with than the one Michael > Dean Goodman came up with for Vaj: "rakshasa." :-) This last point deserves to be expanded upon. Given all this talk about crazy vs. sane, I see most people here as FAR too sane to have actually read all of Michael Dean Goodman's post. As a result, they probably missed the part at the end. Therefore I am reposting WHAT HE ACTUALLY SAID ABOUT VAJ below, with the recommendation that people read it. It's only five paragraphs long. THIS, said by a person who introduced himself as a licensed therapist, is what Judy is trying to put on the same level as Vaj calling her deranged and Pete stating the obvious about Willytex, as a joke. THIS is not "Internet psychological diagnosis." It's a person claiming to be a licensed therapist stating his professional conclusion that Vaj may be a demon, a rakshasa. THIS is insane. CONCLUSION #2: ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)? OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK? So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate spiritual guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch what he serves up. Instead we get Anti-authoritarian, we get Narciss- isism - and we maybe get something even more troubling: we get a dark smokescreen of confusion, negativity, obstruction... We get conscious misrepresentation and outright lying. We get refusal to reveal, refusal to answer simple questions. We get an attempt to obscure the Truth and replace it with confusion, complication, doubt, division, dark- ness. One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes- sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path - currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said "Michael - I get the distinct feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Have you considered that we are watching the very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of Truth?" So I took off my therapist's hat and put on my spiritual hat and I read back over Vaj's posts with this in mind, and looked at the overall theme, the overall tone, the overall feeling that he radiates through his words, the obsessive dedication to obstructing simplicity and truth for so many years - and I understood what my associate was saying. In the guise of being a man of both deep understanding and advanced personal experience, Vaj cleverly sows incredible confusion and doubt, like a good rakshasa would. There's a vedic warning that comes to mind: "Be careful, because the rakshasas (demons) can imitate Brahman better than Brahman itself." For Vaj's sake, I personally hope that he's just a severe anti-author- itarian narcissist, and not a rakshasa. The first is definitely easier to resolve and heal than the second!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Buddha !
On Jul 21, 2010, at 12:33 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > What did Buddha emphasize here? He said, “It is effortless.” Having ‘Peace of > Mind’ is not a strenuous job; it is an effortless process! If only it were that easy. The TMO, like the story, wants you to believe that it is. But unfortunately reality almost never seems to support that. Most who have achieved what might possible be termed "peace of mind" have generally made quite an effort and tried quite a few different paths~~ a nd not just spiritual ones~~before achieving anything close to peace of mind. > Have a peaceful Life ! Sal To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: fairfieldlife-dig...@yahoogroups.com fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: fairfieldlife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Buddha !
Once Buddha was walking from one town to another town with a few of his followers. This was in the initial days. While they were traveling, they happened to pass a lake. They stopped there and Buddha told one of his disciples, "I am thirsty. Do get me some water from that lake there." The disciple walked up to the lake. When he reached it, he noticed that right at that moment, a bullock cart started crossing through the lake. As a result, the water became very muddy, very turbid. The disciple thought, "How can I give this muddy water to Buddha to drink!" So he came back and told Buddha, "The water in there is very muddy. I don't think it is fit to drink." After about half an hour, again Buddha asked the same disciple to go back to the lake and get him some water to drink. The disciple obediently went back to the lake. This time he found that the lake had absolutely clear water in it. The mud had settled down and the water above it looked fit to be had. So he collected some water in a pot and brought it to Buddha. Buddha looked at the water, and then he looked up at the disciple and said,"See what you did to make the water clean. You let it be.. and the mud settled down on its own - and you got clear water. Your mind is also like that! When it is disturbed, just let it be. Give it a little time. It will settle down on its own. You don't have to put in any effort to calm it down. It will happen. It is effortless." What did Buddha emphasize here? He said, "It is effortless." Having 'Peace of Mind' is not a strenuous job; it is an effortless process! Have a peaceful Life !
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Dr. Sutphen, a professional therapist, declares Judy to be > of sound mind and body. Now she do be a tad whack from time > to time, but that's just spice in the soup for us! Waving my M.E.R.U. degree to proclaim my professional credentials, I suggest that when "from time to time" goes on for over 16 years it just might be a little more than "whack." But you're the professional here, Pete. If you think "whack" is the appropriate DSM diagnosis, I'll go with that and use the proper clinical term in the future. I don't see how she can complain about that. As DSM categories of personality disorder go, "whack" is a lot easier to live with than the one Michael Dean Goodman came up with for Vaj: "rakshasa." :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Hugo > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:46 AM > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book > > > > Forgot to mention: we started the campaign on the "right" > day and it was a glowing success, somedays we got as many as > *ten* people to come along and listen. The share of the vote > the NLP got was almost in double figures (not a percentage > unfortunately) > > Needless to say I didn't vote for them and I worked there! > We should all heave a huge sigh of relief that they never got > a sniff of power anywhere on Earth. But a parallel universe > where they had got elected would be a fun world to visit. > Muhurta indeed! > > > > As I recall, Nand Kishore ran for office and was toddling around London > knocking on doors. True? He was indeed, I think it was in Southhall which has a large Indian population. I never met him though.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hugo Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book Forgot to mention: we started the campaign on the "right" day and it was a glowing success, somedays we got as many as *ten* people to come along and listen. The share of the vote the NLP got was almost in double figures (not a percentage unfortunately) Needless to say I didn't vote for them and I worked there! We should all heave a huge sigh of relief that they never got a sniff of power anywhere on Earth. But a parallel universe where they had got elected would be a fun world to visit. Muhurta indeed! As I recall, Nand Kishore ran for office and was toddling around London knocking on doors. True?
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Dr. Sutphen, being a professional therapist, has diagnosed Curtis as > crazy-as-a-coot, for posting such a rational discourse amongst this group of > looney birds. I'll take the diagnosis and hope the good Dr. can see his way to showering me with prescription scripts for Dilaudid in tablet form (the liquid makes the tin foil sticky and gross) which is the only thing able to dull the pain of my cootiness. Better yet,just send me a pad with sigs at the bottom and I'll get out the Elvis bio with his "prescriptions" and take a trip down memory lane. (I'll be sure to include stool softeners to avoid the death porcelain-throne syndrome.) > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > From: curtisdeltablues > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:23 AM > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > What probability number should I put on "I don't have > > a > > > freaking clue"? > > > > I think we do. We have our own knowledge of how the > > world works, we have the source of these beliefs > > (Maharishi's assertions) and we have our own experience with > > "flying" to help guide us. Assigning probability to > > assertions is a process we undertake every day. Why > > would these assertions be harder to asses than me claiming, > > "I woke up this morning with the ability to see through > > people's clothing." (If I'm gunna work on a siddhi, > > that's the one.) Would you have no freak'n clue if I > > posted that this morning. Or would you have some > > logical trails to follow. > > > > 1. This is the kind of thing Curtis would claim in a > > juvenile joke. > > > > 2. We don't know anyone with this ability and have been > > disappointed with the X-Ray Specs in the back of comic > > books in our youth. > > > > 3. There is no known mechanism for our eyes to assume such > > powers of penetration. > > > > 4. It is easy to rule our 100% or 0% because that would > > require a level of certainty that seems foolish. > > > > > > So my creep is up from 0% for the movement claims. I > > might put the assertions at a .5% probability since I know > > of no mechanisms to support the claims and have seen no > > evidence of amazing things from fliers that even suggest > > they are on a continuum of real flying. I can locate the > > source of the pundit claim in ethno-centric religious > > beliefs about the supreme power of their religious rituals > > held by Maharishi. So I can feel pretty confident that > > this is another baseless assertion from a man who was famous > > for making such statements and was often found to be full of > > it. (TM can be relaxing though so he wasn't always wrong.) > > > > Since I really can't claim to understand how discoveries in > > modern physics relate to these claims that wouldn't help > > me. But it might nudge your numbers up a bit if you > > felt that your understanding at least opened the door for > > such an effect. > > > > Not wanting to answer the question or not caring enough to > > take the trouble to think it through is understandable to > > me. But NO freak'n clue doesn't make sense for a > > person who otherwise seems pretty confident in evaluating > > people's claims here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Didn't spend any time at the heart of the > > movement. > > > > > But I can't imagine myself getting sucked > > into that > > > > > kind of nonsense even if I had. > > > > > > > > I think I have a way to test that idea. Put > > a probability > > > > number on: > > > > > > > > 1. The likelihood that the Indian pundit boy's > > chanting has > > > > an influence on world's level of peace. > > > > > > > > 2. That anyone in the movement will actually fly > > using the > > > > flying technique. > > > > > > > > 3 Average those numbers. > > > > > > > > I believe this will be the lowest likely > > probability > > > > percentage that you would have absorbed this kind > > of belief > > > > from others if you were in a full time capacity. > > > > > > What probability number should I put on "I don't have > > a > > > freaking clue"? > > > > > > > > > > > > After a few years rounding that umber > > would go way up. > > > > > > > > One of all human's cognitive weaknesses is our > > overconfidence in our own bullshit detector and our internal > > insularity from the beliefs of the group we identify and > > socialize with. > > > > > > > > Oh yeah, and that includes me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yaho
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Hugo wrote: > > > From: Hugo > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:33 PM > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > > "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] > > > On Behalf Of Hugo > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:17 AM > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after > > reading her book > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember what the "raja" said: The movement is > > always > > > right but reality sometimes gets it wrong. > > > > > > > > > > > > A "raja" actually said that? > > > > > > Ooh yes, I can't remember the context but we were working > > for the natural law party at the time so it was possibly > > one > > of MMYs comment about politics or the current world > > situation > > that I was having trouble with. > > > > I was always complaining. It's lucky the food was good or I > > > > would have walked out on day one when I found out that > > "using scientific and time-tested programmes of natural law" > > actually > > meant things like consulting jyotish to decide when to hold > > > > press conferences. > > > > In fact the very first meeting I attended to plan the > > election > > the head honcho of the European movement said "We've > > consulted > > the jyotishees for a muhurta to launch the campaign and > > it's > > 4pm next monday afternoon" > > > > I asked what a muhurta was and he said it's an > > astrologically > > decided perfect time to to get the best results from an > > endeavor. > > After the sinking feeling had passed I said well in that > > case > > it's wrong because the best time to hold a press conference > > is > > friday morning because the journos can get their copy in > > before > > the bars open and any coverage is seen by a bigger > > audience > > because weekend papers have a larger readership. Which got > > some enthusiastic support from the more rational members > > of > > the group. > > > > He simply glared at me and said "The jyotishees have given > > us > > the perfect time and that's the one we are going to use" > > > > At which point our "raja" said "Gosh, maybe nature doesn't > > want > > us to succeed." > > > > What's the fucking point then? was my next question but > > sadly > > I only said it in my head. > > > > True story. > > And thus went any true success of the TM movement for teaching and spreading > a really wonderful meditation technique around the world. Hugo, your story is > only surpassed by the story of Maharishi wanting to change the direction of > the Thames and rebuilding London according to those oh-so-critical stypatcha > (sp?) veda specifications. Oh, my! Oh my indeed, that plan wouldn't have gone down too well I think. A few too many rather nice and valuable buildings would have to go and besides having water to the south is bad SV so the houses of parliament would be destroyed for nothing. But I did hear that MMY asked helpers to call the Queen and get her to build meditaton rooms under Buckingham palace. As far as I know nobody did, maybe if they had the World Plan might have succeeded. No probably not ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > Or go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Sal Sunshine wrote: > From: Sal Sunshine > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder > (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker? > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:57 AM > On Jul 21, 2010, at 2:54 AM, > TurquoiseB wrote: > > > But whatever their opinions or their friends' > opinions, > > I think that it's more sane to just throw those > opinions > > out there and let them stand or fall on their own > merit > > than to try to "beef them up" by invoking letters > after > > one's name. I also think that a person who gloms onto > > an opinion once expressed about her that she didn't > > like, and who turns that into a multi-year obsession > -- > > and fuel for an ongoing vendetta -- may be pushing the > > > boundaries of sanity. > > No joke. Judy shows once again just how close to > that > boundary she really is. Not only does she have to > yank > out posts that are over *3 years old* but she also > conveniently forgets that Pete *did* get raked over > the coals for that, tried to explain and did end up, > I believe, apologizing. But that isn't good > enough. > Apparently he must be reminded, again and again, > of his faux pas, and pay for it eternally~~at least > in Judy's sick mind. And that's not all that > differentiates > the posts~~Pete's were obviously tossed off without > much thought, more or less as glorified jokes, while > Michael's was endless, in an obvious (IMO) attempt > to present itself as a professional, informed opinion. > Apparently these distinctions are too subtle for > Judy to make. Go figure. > > Sal Sal gets a free one year pass and a bag of cookies for this superlative post! ;-) In all seriousness, I did privately communicate with Richard and we were cool on the whole thing. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
Dr. Sutphen, being a professional therapist, has diagnosed Curtis as crazy-as-a-coot, for posting such a rational discourse amongst this group of looney birds. --- On Wed, 7/21/10, curtisdeltablues wrote: > From: curtisdeltablues > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 10:23 AM > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > What probability number should I put on "I don't have > a > > freaking clue"? > > I think we do. We have our own knowledge of how the > world works, we have the source of these beliefs > (Maharishi's assertions) and we have our own experience with > "flying" to help guide us. Assigning probability to > assertions is a process we undertake every day. Why > would these assertions be harder to asses than me claiming, > "I woke up this morning with the ability to see through > people's clothing." (If I'm gunna work on a siddhi, > that's the one.) Would you have no freak'n clue if I > posted that this morning. Or would you have some > logical trails to follow. > > 1. This is the kind of thing Curtis would claim in a > juvenile joke. > > 2. We don't know anyone with this ability and have been > disappointed with the X-Ray Specs in the back of comic > books in our youth. > > 3. There is no known mechanism for our eyes to assume such > powers of penetration. > > 4. It is easy to rule our 100% or 0% because that would > require a level of certainty that seems foolish. > > > So my creep is up from 0% for the movement claims. I > might put the assertions at a .5% probability since I know > of no mechanisms to support the claims and have seen no > evidence of amazing things from fliers that even suggest > they are on a continuum of real flying. I can locate the > source of the pundit claim in ethno-centric religious > beliefs about the supreme power of their religious rituals > held by Maharishi. So I can feel pretty confident that > this is another baseless assertion from a man who was famous > for making such statements and was often found to be full of > it. (TM can be relaxing though so he wasn't always wrong.) > > Since I really can't claim to understand how discoveries in > modern physics relate to these claims that wouldn't help > me. But it might nudge your numbers up a bit if you > felt that your understanding at least opened the door for > such an effect. > > Not wanting to answer the question or not caring enough to > take the trouble to think it through is understandable to > me. But NO freak'n clue doesn't make sense for a > person who otherwise seems pretty confident in evaluating > people's claims here. > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > Didn't spend any time at the heart of the > movement. > > > > But I can't imagine myself getting sucked > into that > > > > kind of nonsense even if I had. > > > > > > I think I have a way to test that idea. Put > a probability > > > number on: > > > > > > 1. The likelihood that the Indian pundit boy's > chanting has > > > an influence on world's level of peace. > > > > > > 2. That anyone in the movement will actually fly > using the > > > flying technique. > > > > > > 3 Average those numbers. > > > > > > I believe this will be the lowest likely > probability > > > percentage that you would have absorbed this kind > of belief > > > from others if you were in a full time capacity. > > > > What probability number should I put on "I don't have > a > > freaking clue"? > > > > > > > > After a few years rounding that umber > would go way up. > > > > > > One of all human's cognitive weaknesses is our > overconfidence in our own bullshit detector and our internal > insularity from the beliefs of the group we identify and > socialize with. > > > > > > Oh yeah, and that includes me. > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
Dr. Sutphen, a professional therapist, declares Judy to be of sound mind and body. Now she do be a tad whack fro time to time, but that's just spice in the soup for us! --- On Wed, 7/21/10, TurquoiseB wrote: > From: TurquoiseB > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder > (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker? > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:31 PM > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > This whole vendetta of yours, Judy, is because > Vaj > > > once expressed an opinion of you that you didn't > like. > > > Rather than let that go, like any sane person > would > > > do, you've turned it into an obsession, to the > point > > > that you're now fully in "Gotta side with the > person > > > who slammed the person I'm obsessed with" mode. > > > > You suggest I'm raking Peter and Vaj over the coals > > because I want to exonerate Michael for doing the > same > > thing they did? > > No, you're merely trying practicing "the enemy of > my enemy is my friend," as you tried to accuse > Ruth of doing. > > NONE of this is about "medical professionals diag- > nosing over the Internet." It's about *you* still > pursuing a vendetta against Vaj for calling you > (rightly, in my non-medical professional opinion) > deranged and suffering from a personality disorder > *almost two years ago*. > > You would defend Satan himself if he showed up and > dissed Vaj, and everyone here but you knows this. > > It's about you being insane enough to pursue a ven- > detta over a remark that anyone sane would have for- > getten the next day, not anything else. And no matter > how you try to obfuscate the real situation, I don't > think anyone here is fooled. They've seen you do > this for years. Nothing you can possibly *say* can > conceal what you have *done*. > > And will do again the moment the next posting week > starts. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Guru Purnima, TM-Sidhi lecture, Veda in human physiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Hugo wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > >> > >> Head covering? Ladies wear head covering?! WTF? Maybe I'll show up in a > >> fucking bur-qua. The TMO is off the rails on this one, even for me. > > > > Good idea, we don't want to encourage any more horniness amongst > > the pure. > > > > But it's the thin end of the wedge, they've already had "no menstruating or > > pregnant women" in the dome notices before. > > I wonder why any women go at all. > > > > Also, no leather? That's a new one isn't it? > > No. In the last one, they said no whips or chains either. > You must have missed that one. :) Spoilsports. Soon there won't be any point going at all! > Sal >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > This whole vendetta of yours, Judy, is because Vaj > > once expressed an opinion of you that you didn't like. > > Rather than let that go, like any sane person would > > do, you've turned it into an obsession, to the point > > that you're now fully in "Gotta side with the person > > who slammed the person I'm obsessed with" mode. > > You suggest I'm raking Peter and Vaj over the coals > because I want to exonerate Michael for doing the same > thing they did? No, you're merely trying practicing "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," as you tried to accuse Ruth of doing. NONE of this is about "medical professionals diag- nosing over the Internet." It's about *you* still pursuing a vendetta against Vaj for calling you (rightly, in my non-medical professional opinion) deranged and suffering from a personality disorder *almost two years ago*. You would defend Satan himself if he showed up and dissed Vaj, and everyone here but you knows this. It's about you being insane enough to pursue a ven- detta over a remark that anyone sane would have for- getten the next day, not anything else. And no matter how you try to obfuscate the real situation, I don't think anyone here is fooled. They've seen you do this for years. Nothing you can possibly *say* can conceal what you have *done*. And will do again the moment the next posting week starts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
Yeah, take that you pseudo-scientific, semi-intellectual, narcissistic fraud! --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Duveyoung wrote: > From: Duveyoung > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder > (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker? > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 11:11 AM > I think that the whole spectrum of > psychological professionalism is a joke. > > Why are we thinking that a PhD in psychology enables anyone > to really have much insight-ability such that somehow the > pro can deliver mental health services with any merit? > > > I mean really, where's the beef -- these services have not > in the least improved the cultures found in prisons, > schools, military, et al. They have no magic. They > have no silver bullets except chemical straight > jackets. The few things they can do just does not > support the kind of "o he's got a PhD" merit badges we > accord these -- let's say it loudly -- morally bankrupt > mind-minders who are found to, for instance, advise the army > how to waterboard more effectively. Show me the > money. Show me how Bloomfield got to his situation > when here he was "sane as sane could be and a TMer to > boot." > > Therefore, I say the psychologists here are free to scorn > away and label and mess with everyone -- their proclamations > are balloons in the wind -- equal to, say, Magic Eight Ball > level of awareness. > > You need 20 years in an ashram to back up such an otherwise > worthless degree. > > Edg > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/20/10, do.rflex > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dude, with all respect, you > need to be back on your > > > > > > > Seroquel. I kid you not. You > have symptoms of a mild > > > > > > > psychosis."--Dr. Peter > Sutphen, to Willytex, 8/30/07, > > > > > > > #147873. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "We didn't 'get' what > [Willytex] said because, at > > > > > > > times, his posts approach > psychotic ramblings with > > > > > > > bizarre associations."--Dr. > Peter Sutphen, 9/1/07, > > > > > > > #147938. > > > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't take a qualified > professional to reach those > > > > > > obvious conclusions about > Willytex. > > > > > > > > > > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I > have no idea how Mr. > > > > > Willytext's mental health is doing. > > > > > > > > Whatever you were thinking, you didn't > phrase them to > > > > sound like "poopy-pants" diagnoses, although > you easily > > > > could have. They sounded dead serious. And > so do Vaj's > > > > reports of what his "professional" > acquaintances say. > > > > > > > > If you and Vaj get passes on this, Michael > should as well. > > > > And if he doesn't, you and Vaj shouldn't > either. > > > > > > Yep, it's the hypocrisy, stupid. But suppose for > a moment > > > we give Peter the benefit of the doubt and say > these were > > > "poopy-pants" diagnoses. Now, given that he is in > fact a > > > licensed psychologist, I have to wonder if it's > ethical > > > for him to make ANY diagnosis on a public forum > whether > > > poopy-pants or not. There have been several > instances in > > > which we have asked Peter's advise about folks > whose > > > writings indicate they are experiencing severe > > > psychological problems. When we have looked to > Peter as > > > an authority in such cases, he has given much > appreciated > > > wise council. > > > > > > It's my opinion, and others will probably > disagree, that > > > even in jest Peter has an added responsibility on > this > > > forum to "do no harm." Who knows how crazy > WillyTex really > > > is or not? Maybe Seroquel is exactly what he > needs but > > > it's not for Peter to say, even in jest. On the > other hand, > > > since I make no claim to know anything at all > about > > > diagnosing anyone, I am free to make poopy-pants > diagnoses > > > and not be held to account for it as a > professional. > > > > I'm in total and fervent agreement with everything > you > > say. > > > > I have no reason to disbelieve Peter's insistence > that > > his motivation was simply to insult Willytex. But if > he > > had done his best to make the insult's > poopy-pantsness > > clear, it would have been out of line for him to > couch > > it in the lingo of his profession > > > > That he went out of his way to make it appear serious > was > > inexcusable, IMHO. I told him so at the time, but he > was > > unable to see that there was anything wrong with it. > And > > nobody else here agreed with me but Shemp. > > > > And now everyone is coming down on Michael for doing > > exactly what Peter did
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- On Wed, 7/21/10, raunchydog wrote: > From: raunchydog > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder > (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker? > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 1:26 AM > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > Peter wrote: > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/20/10, do.rflex > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Dude, with all respect, you need to be > back on your > > > > > Seroquel. I kid you not. You have > symptoms of a mild > > > > > psychosis."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, to > Willytex, 8/30/07, > > > > > #147873. > > > > > > > > > > "We didn't 'get' what [Willytex] said > because, at > > > > > times, his posts approach psychotic > ramblings with > > > > > bizarre associations."--Dr. Peter > Sutphen, 9/1/07, > > > > > #147938. > > > > > > > > It doesn't take a qualified professional to > reach those > > > > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > > > > > > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea > how Mr. > > > Willytext's mental health is doing. > > > > Whatever you were thinking, you didn't phrase them to > > sound like "poopy-pants" diagnoses, although you > easily > > could have. They sounded dead serious. And so do > Vaj's > > reports of what his "professional" acquaintances say. > > > > If you and Vaj get passes on this, Michael should as > well. > > And if he doesn't, you and Vaj shouldn't either. > > > > Yep, it's the hypocrisy, stupid. But suppose for a moment > we give Peter the benefit of the doubt and say these were > "poopy-pants" diagnoses. Now, given that he is in fact a > licensed psychologist, I have to wonder if it's ethical for > him to make ANY diagnosis on a public forum whether > poopy-pants or not. There have been several instances in > which we have asked Peter's advise about folks whose > writings indicate they are experiencing severe psychological > problems. When we have looked to Peter as an authority in > such cases, he has given much appreciated wise council. > > It's my opinion, and others will probably disagree, that > even in jest Peter has an added responsibility on this forum > to "do no harm." Who knows how crazy WillyTex really is or > not? Maybe Seroquel is exactly what he needs but it's not > for Peter to say, even in jest. On the other hand, since I > make no claim to know anything at all about diagnosing > anyone, I am free to make poopy-pants diagnoses and not be > held to account for it as a professional. Raunch, you bring up some good points that need to be considered. First, to answer Judy, my implied "diagnosis" of Richard a fews years back were done in semi-jest. I found his thinking to be very difficult to follow and quite unusual and frustrating at times so I made those comments. They were meant to be funny. There was big fallout from my comments and this comes from being a psychologist (and using the drpetersutphen email address) and casually posting. In my mind I'm posting as Peter, never as Dr. Sutphen. It's a clear distinction in my mind, but obviously I understand why it's not in others. This is something I probably should be more careful about, but I don't quite know what to do about it. Also, I would never seriously, as "Dr. Sutphen," give someone a diagnosis from their posting on this group. I rarely use the term "dude" in my professional writings. I also exchanged several side emails with Richard because I wanted to make sure he knew I was just playing, perhaps, a bit rough in our FFL sandbox and to apologize if he was offended. From my reading of MDG's posts, it seemed that he was very seriously trying to make a claim for Vaj having a narcissistic personality disorder. He also tried to legitimate it by stating he was a professional therapist. This obviously didn't go over too well. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > This whole vendetta of yours, Judy, is because Vaj > once expressed an opinion of you that you didn't like. > Rather than let that go, like any sane person would > do, you've turned it into an obsession, to the point > that you're now fully in "Gotta side with the person > who slammed the person I'm obsessed with" mode. You suggest I'm raking Peter and Vaj over the coals because I want to exonerate Michael for doing the same thing they did? Really?? Not only have you missed the boat, you've fallen off the dock and hit your head. Once you've regained consciousness, you might want to give that suggestion a second thought. (Note to Stupid Sal: This is my last post for the week, so I've appended a P.S. to you at the end of it.) You might also want to struggle to recall what you've obviously conveniently forgotten, which is that I went after Peter *at the time* for what he said about Willytex. Vaj's "diagnoses" came well after that. > The person on this forum in "The enemy of my enemy > is my friend" mode is YOU, Judy, and everyone here > knows it. I'd guess everyone but you knows that couldn't possibly be the case, via simple logic if nothing else. Michael Dean Goodman came off like an idiot > with his drop-in "hit piece," and is coming off like > more of one by not answering simple questions about > the "credentials" that HE brought up to try to give > the illusion that his opinion was something other > than opinion. Your obsession with Vaj keeps you from > even *noticing* that you've backed the loser in this > soap opera, and tied your star to his. It wasn't OK for Peter to "diagnose" Willytex, it wasn't OK for Vaj to invoke his alleged professional acquaintances' "diagnoses," and it wasn't OK for Michael to "diagnose" Vaj, *especially* since his credentials are questionable. My point, of course, was that folks coming down on Michael without *also* coming down on Vaj and Peter has been hypocritical in the extreme. That's why I brought up Peter's gaffe, you see. As I've already noted, I have no problem with Ruth demanding to know Michael's credentials. But she never demanded to know the credentials of Vaj's alleged professional acquaintances (I don't think she was here for Peter's). That's a double standard. > Good luck with that. I don't see any other outcome > to this flap other than Michael Dean Goodman having > lost any shred of credibility he ever might have > had. By tethering yourself to him in a fit of "the > enemy of my enemy is my friend," your credibility > goes down the drain along with his. > > < insert sound of toilet flushing here > That flushing sound you hear is the waves closing over your head. The boat steaming rapidly away from the dock without you as you flounder in the water, BTW, was the opportunity to accuse me of being obsessed with *Peter's* ethical lapse. (Oh, and it's good to see how relentlessly you're ignoring me. Doing so is clearly helping you enjoy your day.) [moved from above] > Dr. Pete's poopy-pants views of Willytex, Michael > Dean Goodman's views of Vaj, and Vaj's friends' view > of you are all on *exactly the same level*. They > are all opinions. None of them are "better" or "more > valid" opinions because of the letters after their > names. Whether that's true or not, the *reality* is that most people don't think this way. The professional must recognize that his/her word is going to carry extra weight, warranted or otherwise, and avoid at all costs using that to his/her advantage to get the better of someone s/he doesn't like. P.S. to Stupid Sal: Sadly but not surprisingly, you've joined Barry in the water on most of your points: > No joke. Judy shows once again just how close to that > boundary she really is. Not only does she have to yank > out posts that are over *3 years old* but she also > conveniently forgets that Pete *did* get raked over > the coals for that, tried to explain and did end up, > I believe, apologizing. Actually it was I who raked him over the coals for that, with no support from anyone but Shemp. Seems you've conveniently forgotten that little fact. You've also forgotten that his "explanation" amounted to a defense of his behavior with no acknowledgment whatever that it was an ethical lapse. And of course he didn't apologize as Shemp (not moi) had demanded. > But that isn't good enough. Apparently he must be > reminded, again and again, of his faux pas, and pay for > it eternally--at least in Judy's sick mind. You've been infected with Barry's tendency to fantasize about me. This is the first time I've mentioned Peter's lapse since the original flap. Obviously, I only brought it up now because of Michael's post. > And that's not all that differentiates the posts~~ > Pete's were obviously tossed off without much > thought, more or less as glorified jokes "Without much thought," clearly. If he
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
authfriend: > I'll add that I don't think for a second that Willytex > is even mildly psychotic. He's annoying as hell, and > that makes some people--including at least one > therapist!--so uncomfortable that they can't see the > very deliberate games he plays. Most of the time those > games aren't anywhere near as clever as *he* thinks > they are, but that doesn't amount to psychosis either. > And every once in a while he makes a good point, if one > can hold one's annoyance in abeyance long enough to see > what's behind the apparent nonsense. > So, it's all about Willytex, And now you're annoyed. How many times have I told you my name was Richard J. Williams not 'willytex'? It's alright for you to call me by my email address, if that helps you to dehumanize me, but you could at least try to answer the question, Poopsie! HELP ME, PLEASE - I NEED SOME SPIRITUAL HELP! WHY WON'T YOU GIVE ME SOME SPIRITUAL HELP?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
> > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea > > how Mr. Willytext's mental health is doing. > > TurquoiseB: > Poopy-pants or clean pants, I don't think it > takes much of an expert to discern that Willytex > is not only a few cans short of a six-pack, but > that he's also missing the plastic thingy that > holds the cans together. > So, you don't like me. That's no reason to make fun of my spiritual path or to try and make me feel inferior because I live in Texas - that's the same thing as supporting the Indian caste system, judging people based on their birth circumstances. > It's all there in the "Willytext" on the screen. > When you let your willy do the writing for you, > you can't really expect the resulting text to > be anything more meaningful than "finger painting" > using your "lower finger." :-) > So, you're still upset that I linked you to the Rama cult - get over it, Barry. Apparently you can't just address the points made in my post, you've got to make yourself look superior, like you were some kind of expert on the spiritual life.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
I think that the whole spectrum of psychological professionalism is a joke. Why are we thinking that a PhD in psychology enables anyone to really have much insight-ability such that somehow the pro can deliver mental health services with any merit? I mean really, where's the beef -- these services have not in the least improved the cultures found in prisons, schools, military, et al. They have no magic. They have no silver bullets except chemical straight jackets. The few things they can do just does not support the kind of "o he's got a PhD" merit badges we accord these -- let's say it loudly -- morally bankrupt mind-minders who are found to, for instance, advise the army how to waterboard more effectively. Show me the money. Show me how Bloomfield got to his situation when here he was "sane as sane could be and a TMer to boot." Therefore, I say the psychologists here are free to scorn away and label and mess with everyone -- their proclamations are balloons in the wind -- equal to, say, Magic Eight Ball level of awareness. You need 20 years in an ashram to back up such an otherwise worthless degree. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/20/10, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > "Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your > > > > > > Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild > > > > > > psychosis."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, to Willytex, 8/30/07, > > > > > > #147873. > > > > > > > > > > > > "We didn't 'get' what [Willytex] said because, at > > > > > > times, his posts approach psychotic ramblings with > > > > > > bizarre associations."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, 9/1/07, > > > > > > #147938. > > > > > > > > > > It doesn't take a qualified professional to reach those > > > > > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > > > > > > > > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea how Mr. > > > > Willytext's mental health is doing. > > > > > > Whatever you were thinking, you didn't phrase them to > > > sound like "poopy-pants" diagnoses, although you easily > > > could have. They sounded dead serious. And so do Vaj's > > > reports of what his "professional" acquaintances say. > > > > > > If you and Vaj get passes on this, Michael should as well. > > > And if he doesn't, you and Vaj shouldn't either. > > > > Yep, it's the hypocrisy, stupid. But suppose for a moment > > we give Peter the benefit of the doubt and say these were > > "poopy-pants" diagnoses. Now, given that he is in fact a > > licensed psychologist, I have to wonder if it's ethical > > for him to make ANY diagnosis on a public forum whether > > poopy-pants or not. There have been several instances in > > which we have asked Peter's advise about folks whose > > writings indicate they are experiencing severe > > psychological problems. When we have looked to Peter as > > an authority in such cases, he has given much appreciated > > wise council. > > > > It's my opinion, and others will probably disagree, that > > even in jest Peter has an added responsibility on this > > forum to "do no harm." Who knows how crazy WillyTex really > > is or not? Maybe Seroquel is exactly what he needs but > > it's not for Peter to say, even in jest. On the other hand, > > since I make no claim to know anything at all about > > diagnosing anyone, I am free to make poopy-pants diagnoses > > and not be held to account for it as a professional. > > I'm in total and fervent agreement with everything you > say. > > I have no reason to disbelieve Peter's insistence that > his motivation was simply to insult Willytex. But if he > had done his best to make the insult's poopy-pantsness > clear, it would have been out of line for him to couch > it in the lingo of his profession > > That he went out of his way to make it appear serious was > inexcusable, IMHO. I told him so at the time, but he was > unable to see that there was anything wrong with it. And > nobody else here agreed with me but Shemp. > > And now everyone is coming down on Michael for doing > exactly what Peter did, and what Vaj has done (once- > removed, as it were, by claiming his "diagnoses" came > from his acquaintances in the mental health profession). > > Michael had the excuse that he was giving Vaj a taste > of his own medicine, but that isn't sufficient. And > unlike Peter's, Michael's credentials seem to be in > doubt. > > The bottom line is that professionals (real or pseudo- > or by proxy) have an unfair advantage in their > criticisms. They can't assume that nonprofessionals are > going to correctly evaluate the degree of poopy-pants > in their pronouncements even if they've made an effort > *not* to appear serious. Some
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine wrote: > > On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > Why would these assertions be harder to asses > > Nice Freudian one there, my friend. :) Fantastic catch Sal! I wish I could be that funny on purpose! > > > than me claiming, "I woke up this morning with the ability to see through > > people's clothing." (If I'm gunna work on a siddhi, that's the one.) > > Yeah? Better be *way* careful who you come > into contact with in that case. Or else, like > Midas and the golden touch, you may find > that it's far too much of a good thing. > In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that. > > On a (slightly) more serious note, I've often > felt that most of us could really benefit from > a week or two's worth every year at a nudist > colony. Not only to lose some of our/my > hangups about the body...but also to remind > ourselves that most sexiness is pretty much in > the eyes of the beholder~~or something. > > Sal I've only been to one nude beach and from my experience most people look much better with clothes on! But body shame is a bitch isn't it? You may be on to something. We can test the idea at my place next time you come through DC! >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > > > --- On Tue, 7/20/10, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your > > > > > Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild > > > > > psychosis."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, to Willytex, 8/30/07, > > > > > #147873. > > > > > > > > > > "We didn't 'get' what [Willytex] said because, at > > > > > times, his posts approach psychotic ramblings with > > > > > bizarre associations."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, 9/1/07, > > > > > #147938. > > > > > > > > It doesn't take a qualified professional to reach those > > > > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > > > > > > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea how Mr. > > > Willytext's mental health is doing. > > > > Whatever you were thinking, you didn't phrase them to > > sound like "poopy-pants" diagnoses, although you easily > > could have. They sounded dead serious. And so do Vaj's > > reports of what his "professional" acquaintances say. > > > > If you and Vaj get passes on this, Michael should as well. > > And if he doesn't, you and Vaj shouldn't either. > > Yep, it's the hypocrisy, stupid. But suppose for a moment > we give Peter the benefit of the doubt and say these were > "poopy-pants" diagnoses. Now, given that he is in fact a > licensed psychologist, I have to wonder if it's ethical > for him to make ANY diagnosis on a public forum whether > poopy-pants or not. There have been several instances in > which we have asked Peter's advise about folks whose > writings indicate they are experiencing severe > psychological problems. When we have looked to Peter as > an authority in such cases, he has given much appreciated > wise council. > > It's my opinion, and others will probably disagree, that > even in jest Peter has an added responsibility on this > forum to "do no harm." Who knows how crazy WillyTex really > is or not? Maybe Seroquel is exactly what he needs but > it's not for Peter to say, even in jest. On the other hand, > since I make no claim to know anything at all about > diagnosing anyone, I am free to make poopy-pants diagnoses > and not be held to account for it as a professional. I'm in total and fervent agreement with everything you say. I have no reason to disbelieve Peter's insistence that his motivation was simply to insult Willytex. But if he had done his best to make the insult's poopy-pantsness clear, it would have been out of line for him to couch it in the lingo of his profession That he went out of his way to make it appear serious was inexcusable, IMHO. I told him so at the time, but he was unable to see that there was anything wrong with it. And nobody else here agreed with me but Shemp. And now everyone is coming down on Michael for doing exactly what Peter did, and what Vaj has done (once- removed, as it were, by claiming his "diagnoses" came from his acquaintances in the mental health profession). Michael had the excuse that he was giving Vaj a taste of his own medicine, but that isn't sufficient. And unlike Peter's, Michael's credentials seem to be in doubt. The bottom line is that professionals (real or pseudo- or by proxy) have an unfair advantage in their criticisms. They can't assume that nonprofessionals are going to correctly evaluate the degree of poopy-pants in their pronouncements even if they've made an effort *not* to appear serious. Some will get it, others may not. And the amount of damage that can be done to the insultee as a result of anyone taking such a "diagnosis" seriously is huge. If the insultee him/herself *does* happen to be psychologically fragile, the outcome could be disastrous. It's Just. Not. OK. for Michael or Peter or Vaj or any other professional. I'll add that I don't think for a second that Willytex is even mildly psychotic. He's annoying as hell, and that makes some people--including at least one therapist!--so uncomfortable that they can't see the very deliberate games he plays. Most of the time those games aren't anywhere near as clever as *he* thinks they are, but that doesn't amount to psychosis either. And every once in a while he makes a good point, if one can hold one's annoyance in abeyance long enough to see what's behind the apparent nonsense.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
On Jul 21, 2010, at 9:23 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > Why would these assertions be harder to asses Nice Freudian one there, my friend. :) > than me claiming, "I woke up this morning with the ability to see through > people's clothing." (If I'm gunna work on a siddhi, that's the one.) Yeah? Better be *way* careful who you come into contact with in that case. Or else, like Midas and the golden touch, you may find that it's far too much of a good thing. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee that. On a (slightly) more serious note, I've often felt that most of us could really benefit from a week or two's worth every year at a nudist colony. Not only to lose some of our/my hangups about the body...but also to remind ourselves that most sexiness is pretty much in the eyes of the beholder~~or something. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > What probability number should I put on "I don't have a > freaking clue"? I think we do. We have our own knowledge of how the world works, we have the source of these beliefs (Maharishi's assertions) and we have our own experience with "flying" to help guide us. Assigning probability to assertions is a process we undertake every day. Why would these assertions be harder to asses than me claiming, "I woke up this morning with the ability to see through people's clothing." (If I'm gunna work on a siddhi, that's the one.) Would you have no freak'n clue if I posted that this morning. Or would you have some logical trails to follow. 1. This is the kind of thing Curtis would claim in a juvenile joke. 2. We don't know anyone with this ability and have been disappointed with the X-Ray Specs in the back of comic books in our youth. 3. There is no known mechanism for our eyes to assume such powers of penetration. 4. It is easy to rule our 100% or 0% because that would require a level of certainty that seems foolish. So my creep is up from 0% for the movement claims. I might put the assertions at a .5% probability since I know of no mechanisms to support the claims and have seen no evidence of amazing things from fliers that even suggest they are on a continuum of real flying. I can locate the source of the pundit claim in ethno-centric religious beliefs about the supreme power of their religious rituals held by Maharishi. So I can feel pretty confident that this is another baseless assertion from a man who was famous for making such statements and was often found to be full of it. (TM can be relaxing though so he wasn't always wrong.) Since I really can't claim to understand how discoveries in modern physics relate to these claims that wouldn't help me. But it might nudge your numbers up a bit if you felt that your understanding at least opened the door for such an effect. Not wanting to answer the question or not caring enough to take the trouble to think it through is understandable to me. But NO freak'n clue doesn't make sense for a person who otherwise seems pretty confident in evaluating people's claims here. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > Didn't spend any time at the heart of the movement. > > > But I can't imagine myself getting sucked into that > > > kind of nonsense even if I had. > > > > I think I have a way to test that idea. Put a probability > > number on: > > > > 1. The likelihood that the Indian pundit boy's chanting has > > an influence on world's level of peace. > > > > 2. That anyone in the movement will actually fly using the > > flying technique. > > > > 3 Average those numbers. > > > > I believe this will be the lowest likely probability > > percentage that you would have absorbed this kind of belief > > from others if you were in a full time capacity. > > What probability number should I put on "I don't have a > freaking clue"? > > > > After a few years rounding that umber would go way up. > > > > One of all human's cognitive weaknesses is our overconfidence in our own > > bullshit detector and our internal insularity from the beliefs of the group > > we identify and socialize with. > > > > Oh yeah, and that includes me. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
> > It doesn't take a qualified professional to reach those > > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > > Dr. Pete: > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea how Mr. > Willytext's mental health is doing. > After taking up my case, making his diagnosis and advising me on my medications, the 'doctor' Pete just disappeared and wouldn't even speak to me anymore - apparently he doesn't even know my name now. Go figure. I sent the shrink a personal email asking about the dosage, but he never even responded. He wouldn't disclose the address of his clinic. Fukin' quack! So, I was on the spiritual path, doing the work, asking questions, and trying to start up a conversation on the mechanics of consciousness, but Mr. John Manning, the TM Teacher, refused to help me and called me 'crazy'. One of the Barry's called me the 'village idiot'. The other Barry published my real name on the internet. Several of the respondents on Usenet and FFL made fun of my religion and my family, and tried to make me feel inferior because of my place of residence. They suck as spiritual teachers, in my opinion. >From Barry Wright: "Take your head and turn it as far to the right as possible and look around. Now do the same thing, turning to the left. Now look up and down. Notice the same odd, dull, brownish tint that you see in all directions? That's because your head is up your ass, Willy. Get back to me when it isn't and you might be worth talking to..." Subject: Re: Local clown gets waxed. From: Uncle Tantra (Barry Wright) Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: July 7, 2003
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
On Jul 21, 2010, at 2:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: > But whatever their opinions or their friends' opinions, > I think that it's more sane to just throw those opinions > out there and let them stand or fall on their own merit > than to try to "beef them up" by invoking letters after > one's name. I also think that a person who gloms onto > an opinion once expressed about her that she didn't > like, and who turns that into a multi-year obsession -- > and fuel for an ongoing vendetta -- may be pushing the > boundaries of sanity. No joke. Judy shows once again just how close to that boundary she really is. Not only does she have to yank out posts that are over *3 years old* but she also conveniently forgets that Pete *did* get raked over the coals for that, tried to explain and did end up, I believe, apologizing. But that isn't good enough. Apparently he must be reminded, again and again, of his faux pas, and pay for it eternally~~at least in Judy's sick mind. And that's not all that differentiates the posts~~Pete's were obviously tossed off without much thought, more or less as glorified jokes, while Michael's was endless, in an obvious (IMO) attempt to present itself as a professional, informed opinion. Apparently these distinctions are too subtle for Judy to make. Go figure. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
> > "Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your > > Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild > > psychosis."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, to Willytex, 8/30/07, > > #147873. > > > > "We didn't 'get' what [Willytex] said because, at > > times, his posts approach psychotic ramblings with > > bizarre associations."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, 9/1/07, > > #147938. > > do.rflex: > It doesn't take a qualified professional to reach those > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > >From John Manning: "My wife, after having read some of his posts (she is a psychologist), thinks that he might be a borderline psychotic. My wife has little knowledge of TM and its implications - but *within the limits* of observing Willy's posts and responses, behaviorally - she finds him seriously lacking self-esteem and personal integrity and inadequate in personally representing his position. My wife also suggested that he may be totally incapable, because of his current disorder, to connect with any other perception of himself in reality..." Subject: Richard Williams (WillyTex) Author: John Manning Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: May 31, 2002
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" wrote: > The point, as my friend with 15 years in India put it ... is that this > is where they all get their shakti from - i.e. surrender. They all may > indeed be quite imperfect but the wise ones alway return after falling > down and do danda-pranam and give it all up. So, it's some variation of the "ask Jesus for forgiveness" routine. "Sin" or fail as much as you want. Jesus will forgive you. Not sure if go along with that. I just didn't ever pick that up.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
On Jul 20, 2010, at 9:24 PM, Rick Archer wrote: >> Kinda bothers me too, Rick...and has the faint whiff of hinting at > something and then, when someone tries to pin down what you're really > saying, claiming you are shocked, shocked! that they could put such a spin > on your words. Lack of egoism? Sounds more like trying to dance away from > taking any >stance so you can't be held responsible for your own words. >> You can do that all you want of course~~they're your posts. But it's > dishonest. > > Surely you know what the work "theory" means. Notions like this can at best > be theoretical. Anyone who claims certainty with something like this is full > of it. Besides, if you read the thread, I expressed doubt that MMY would > have intended such a thing, but theorized that "nature" might have > orchestrated it to enable the movement to continue, without his even knowing > it. However, now that I think about it, I vaguely recall hearing that MMY > expressed feeling personally responsible for the crash. Not claiming to have > caused it, but claiming that his karma was somehow to blame. I'll try to > find out who I heard that from and post it if I do. I couldn't care less who "expressed" what, Rick. Nor do I know or care what the effing "work" theory is that you're referring to. Let's stick to the subject~~ you're trying to have it both ways~~subtly (or not so subtly) suggesting that MMY was capable of committing/getting nature to organize murder, and then trying to pretend you didn't suggest that. Come on, man up and own your own words. It's not that tough. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Guru Purnima, TM-Sidhi lecture, Veda in human physiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > Head covering? Ladies wear head covering?! WTF? > > Be more worried about what's going to hold up the > men's pants, given that leather belts are verboten. > That's so they can see if you're wearing a loincloth.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Destroy the Computer!!!
In case you missed it, this is very funny satire. The sign mocks wildly misinformed homophobes and it's spot on. Bravo. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" wrote: > > > > > http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/demotivational-pos\ > ters-the-computer.jpg >
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Guru Purnima, TM-Sidhi lecture, Veda in human physiology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > Head covering? Ladies wear head covering?! WTF? Be more worried about what's going to hold up the men's pants, given that leather belts are verboten.
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Guru Purnima, TM-Sidhi lecture, Veda in human physiology
Head covering? Ladies wear head covering?! WTF? Maybe I'll show up in a fucking bur-qua. The TMO is off the rails on this one, even for me. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays wrote: > > Fwd From: Dome Announcements > > 1. Guru Purnima with the Maharishi Vedic Pandits > 2. Advanced Lecture on the TM-Sidhi Program Wednesday Evening > 3. Thursdays Veda in Human Physiology Class > > > 1. Guru Purnima with the Maharishi Vedic Pandits > > We warmly invite all Meditators, Sidhas and Governors to celebrate Guru > Purnima with 151 Maharishi Vedic Pandits in the Patanjali Golden Dome on > Sunday, July 25th. > > Doors will open at 12:45 and the Pandits will perform Guru Puja and the > traditional Maha Rudra Abhishek beginning at 1:15. Please bring your current > program badge. > > Please bring fresh flowers (blossoms only), 2-3 whole washed organic fruits > and a donation (cash, check or credit card.) Checks are payable to Global > Country of World Peace. Credit card donations can be made on-line at > www.GlobalCountryofWorld Peace.org. A donation box and donation cards will > be available. > > Please do not bring or wear leather into the main area of the Dome. > > Ladies please wear saris or long skirts or dresses (not sleeveless) and a > head covering. Dignified dress for men. > > Young children should not attend this Vedic performance. Youths and young > adults who can comfortably sit and enjoy this extended Vedic performance are > very welcome. > > Thank you for your generous support of the Maharishi Vedic Pandits. > > > 2. Advanced Lecture on the TM-Sidhi Program Wednesday Evening > > Drs. Doug and Linda Birx will hold a special Advanced Lecture on the > TM-Sidhi program on Wednesday evening, July 21st, at 8:15 pm. > > This will be a wonderful opportunity for going more deeply into the > knowledge and experience of the practice. > > Men will meet in the Men's Dome and Ladies in the Ladies' Dome on the > Maharishi University of Management campus. > > The meetings are open to all Sidhas with a current dome badge in the > Fairfield community and those who are visiting from out of town to > participate in current courses. > > Please note: This is the same meeting listed in the Calendar of Events as > "TM-Sidhi Checking" and will be held in both domes. > > *Please bring your current Dome badge with you. > > Jai Guru Dev > > > 3. Thursdays Veda in Human Physiology Class > > Class for the Next 2 Weeks Agenda > July 22 and July 29 at 2:30-3:30 > > Discovering Veda in the Human Physiology Class > Thursdays at 2:30-3:30 > Men's Peace Palace > > Please bring your books if you have them. > > We will start with Reading the Book Pages 151- 173 > > Human Physiology: Expression of Veda and the Vedic Literature > > Special Video Tape: Ten-Fold Structure of Brahm by Maharishi (part I & II) > > Review the 40 aspects of the Veda Chart to Memorize > > Relate our experiences to the Scientific Research: pp 525-7 Rk, Sama, > Yajur, and Atharva Veda > > Optional: Ending with Recitation Rashtragit (16min) > > *** > > DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the > Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to > owner-dom...@... > > Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mail > message to dome-l-requ...@..., and put the word "subscribe" (without the > quotation marks) in the body of the message. > > To stop receiving DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS, send an e-mail message to: > dome-l-requ...@..., and type the word "unsubscribe" (without the > quotation marks) in the body of the message. >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon/Question for John
John, in all seriousness when you make a bold prediction like this, and essentially nothing happens, doesn't that give you pause and make you wonder about jyotish? I could add, "your ability" with jyotish, but this miss rate with jyotish seems to be the most common outcome of all those predicting with it. Post hoc, it's great, but that's not saying much! --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Hugo wrote: > From: Hugo > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 6:55 AM > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "John" wrote: > > > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, 2010. In > jyotish, this conjunction is considered to be very > malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > possible that there can be a major accident in the USA > similar to the train wreck in India. There might be an > attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization to disrupt the > peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering hatred in > the Middle East may erupt again with some kind of attacks in > the Gaza Strip, Iraq or Iran. > > > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting this > conjunction. As such, the negative effects may be > mitigated or eliminated altogether. > > Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > > > > JR > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > fairfieldlife-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com > > >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
On Jul 21, 2010, at 3:54 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: Good luck with that. I don't see any other outcome to this flap other than Michael Dean Goodman having lost any shred of credibility he ever might have had. By tethering yourself to him in a fit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," your credibility goes down the drain along with his. What a lovely polyamorous couple they make!
[FairfieldLife] Re: DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS--Guru Purnima,
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays wrote: > > Fwd From: Dome Announcements > > > > 1. Guru Purnima with the Maharishi Vedic Pandits > > We warmly invite all Meditators, Sidhas and Governors to celebrate Guru > Purnima with 151 Maharishi Vedic Pandits in the Patanjali Golden Dome on > Sunday, July 25th. "Please bring your current program badge.." Yup. In a town and place filled with old TM-meditators this announcement published now is sad portend. Where the TM-taliban factions inside insist and are arranging the circling of their wagons tighter like this they also close more their line of support from the meditator community generally. This is not a good sign of how it is going inside with the Rajas. God help 'em. JGD, Buck in FF > > Doors will open at 12:45 and the Pandits will perform Guru Puja and the > traditional Maha Rudra Abhishek beginning at 1:15. Please bring your current > program badge. > > Please bring fresh flowers (blossoms only), 2-3 whole washed organic fruits > and a donation (cash, check or credit card.) Checks are payable to Global > Country of World Peace. Credit card donations can be made on-line at > www.GlobalCountryofWorld Peace.org. A donation box and donation cards will > be available. > > Please do not bring or wear leather into the main area of the Dome. > > Ladies please wear saris or long skirts or dresses (not sleeveless) and a > head covering. Dignified dress for men. > > Young children should not attend this Vedic performance. Youths and young > adults who can comfortably sit and enjoy this extended Vedic performance are > very welcome. > > Thank you for your generous support of the Maharishi Vedic Pandits. > > > 2. Advanced Lecture on the TM-Sidhi Program Wednesday Evening > > Drs. Doug and Linda Birx will hold a special Advanced Lecture on the > TM-Sidhi program on Wednesday evening, July 21st, at 8:15 pm. > > This will be a wonderful opportunity for going more deeply into the > knowledge and experience of the practice. > > Men will meet in the Men's Dome and Ladies in the Ladies' Dome on the > Maharishi University of Management campus. > > The meetings are open to all Sidhas with a current dome badge in the > Fairfield community and those who are visiting from out of town to > participate in current courses. > > Please note: This is the same meeting listed in the Calendar of Events as > "TM-Sidhi Checking" and will be held in both domes. > > *Please bring your current Dome badge with you. > > Jai Guru Dev > > > 3. Thursdays Veda in Human Physiology Class > > Class for the Next 2 Weeks Agenda > July 22 and July 29 at 2:30-3:30 > > Discovering Veda in the Human Physiology Class > Thursdays at 2:30-3:30 > Men's Peace Palace > > Please bring your books if you have them. > > We will start with Reading the Book Pages 151- 173 > > Human Physiology: Expression of Veda and the Vedic Literature > > Special Video Tape: Ten-Fold Structure of Brahm by Maharishi (part I & II) > > Review the 40 aspects of the Veda Chart to Memorize > > Relate our experiences to the Scientific Research: pp 525-7 Rk, Sama, > Yajur, and Atharva Veda > > Optional: Ending with Recitation Rashtragit (16min) > > *** > > DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS is a moderated list that distributes announcements to the > Maharishi University of Management community. Send your announcements to > owner-dom...@... > > Encourage your friends to sign up for DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS. Send an e-mail > message to dome-l-requ...@..., and put the word "subscribe" (without the > quotation marks) in the body of the message. > > To stop receiving DOME ANNOUNCEMENTS, send an e-mail message to: > dome-l-requ...@..., and type the word "unsubscribe" (without the > quotation marks) in the body of the message. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Mars and Saturn Conjunction Coming Soon
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" wrote: > > This will happen tomorrow on July 20, 2010. In jyotish, this conjunction is > considered to be very malefic. Given the world situation today, it's > possible that there can be a major accident in the USA similar to the train > wreck in India. There might be an attempt by an al-Qaeda type organization > to disrupt the peace anywhere in the world. The smoldering hatred in the > Middle East may erupt again with some kind of attacks in the Gaza Strip, Iraq > or Iran. > > On the positive side, Jupiter is aspecting this conjunction. As such, the > negative effects may be mitigated or eliminated altogether. Phew, we all survived! Thanks Jupiter. > JR >
[FairfieldLife] Re: My email to Judith after reading her book
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hugo" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > > > > I don't know whether Maharishi consciously orchestrated > > > > the crash, but I sometimes wonder whether "nature" > > > > sacrificed those people (perhaps in a pre-arranged > > > > agreement as you mention is taught in the Seth > > > > books) in order for Maharishi's mission to continue. > > > > > > I'm utterly fascinated by the notion that any of you > > > took either of these possibilities seriously. > > > > Why? The ability to affect events is one of the major > > parts of Marshy's teaching. If a remote influence can > > bring down the Berlin wall it ought to knock a small > > plane out of the sky with no effort at all. > > If MMY could cause a plane to fall from the sky merely > by wishing it, he could have come up with other ways > of keeping them quiet that wouldn't have involved > killing them. I really don't think he was a murderer. Nor do I, I'm just pointing out that the TM hardcore wouldn't have any trouble at all incorporating it into their beliefs. They would say that MMY had helped these women with their spiritual progress in a way that we would find shocking in our unenlightened state and that in order to protect the development of the whole of mankind you had to make the odd sacrifice. I don't believe it either but I don't doubt some would. Seriously. > > If you think I'm just winding you up you didn't spend > > as much time at the heart of the movement as I did. > > Didn't spend any time at the heart of the movement. > But I can't imagine myself getting sucked into that > kind of nonsense even if I had. Ooh are you sure? Group-think can be a powerful thing, all that subconscious pressure to conform. First step is saying things like "I got some nature support" when the queue you are in at the bank travels faster than the one next to it. Later you start believing that the moon's shadow is dangerous. It's a slippery slope down the rabbit hole for sure. OK, I didn't fall down it so maybe you wouldn't have either ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > --- On Tue, 7/20/10, do.rflex wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > wrote: > > > > > > > > "Dude, with all respect, you need to be back on your > > > > Seroquel. I kid you not. You have symptoms of a mild > > > > psychosis."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, to Willytex, 8/30/07, > > > > #147873. > > > > > > > > "We didn't 'get' what [Willytex] said because, at > > > > times, his posts approach psychotic ramblings with > > > > bizarre associations."--Dr. Peter Sutphen, 9/1/07, > > > > #147938. > > > > > > It doesn't take a qualified professional to reach those > > > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > > > > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea how Mr. > > Willytext's mental health is doing. > > Whatever you were thinking, you didn't phrase them to > sound like "poopy-pants" diagnoses, although you easily > could have. They sounded dead serious. And so do Vaj's > reports of what his "professional" acquaintances say. > > If you and Vaj get passes on this, Michael should as well. > And if he doesn't, you and Vaj shouldn't either. Dr. Pete's poopy-pants views of Willytex, Michael Dean Goodman's views of Vaj, and Vaj's friends' view of you are all on *exactly the same level*. They are all opinions. None of them are "better" or "more valid" opinions because of the letters after their names. But whatever their opinions or their friends' opinions, I think that it's more sane to just throw those opinions out there and let them stand or fall on their own merit than to try to "beef them up" by invoking letters after one's name. I also think that a person who gloms onto an opinion once expressed about her that she didn't like, and who turns that into a multi-year obsession -- and fuel for an ongoing vendetta -- may be pushing the boundaries of sanity. Opinions are like assholes; everyone's got one, and none of them are less stinky than any of the others, but at least people have the decency to wear pants. Having an obsession is like waving one's naked ass around at a party, stinking up the whole room. This whole vendetta of yours, Judy, is because Vaj once expressed an opinion of you that you didn't like. Rather than let that go, like any sane person would do, you've turned it into an obsession, to the point that you're now fully in "Gotta side with the person who slammed the person I'm obsessed with" mode. The person on this forum in "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" mode is YOU, Judy, and everyone here knows it. Michael Dean Goodman came off like an idiot with his drop-in "hit piece," and is coming off like more of one by not answering simple questions about the "credentials" that HE brought up to try to give the illusion that his opinion was something other than opinion. Your obsession with Vaj keeps you from even *noticing* that you've backed the loser in this soap opera, and tied your star to his. Good luck with that. I don't see any other outcome to this flap other than Michael Dean Goodman having lost any shred of credibility he ever might have had. By tethering yourself to him in a fit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," your credibility goes down the drain along with his. < insert sound of toilet flushing here >
[FairfieldLife] Why did Shankara fly yogicly?
One of the "biographies" of Shrii Shankara, Shankara-dig-vijaya "by" Maadhava-vidyaaraNya is thought to be written by the 14th century jagadguru of the ShRngeri-maTha, Maadhava-vidyaaraNya. In his Jiivan-mukti-viveka, MV warns against practicing the yogic siddhis, especially YF, as Vaj has several times pointed out. How is it possible then that according to the above mentioned "biography", Shankara flew along with his pupils over a mountain to a near-by village, or stuff? It seems quite likely, that MV didn't actually write ShDV, because it appears, according to Mr. Goodding, to originate from the 17th century, or so!
[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaj - Narcissistic Personality Disorder (Anti-Authoritarian variety), plus Something Darker?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > --- On Tue, 7/20/10, do.rflex wrote: > > > > It doesn't take a qualified professional to reach those > > obvious conclusions about Willytex. > > Those are "poopy-pants" diagnoses. I have no idea how > Mr. Willytext's mental health is doing. Poopy-pants or clean pants, I don't think it takes much of an expert to discern that Willytex is not only a few cans short of a six-pack, but that he's also missing the plastic thingy that holds the cans together. It's all there in the "Willytext" on the screen. When you let your willy do the writing for you, you can't really expect the resulting text to be anything more meaningful than "finger painting" using your "lower finger." :-)
[FairfieldLife] News at 11: Woo Woo causes plane crash (was Re: My email to Judith)
I have retitled this thread, because that's what I think is going on in it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > I dance around a lot of issues, because I'm not so egotistical > > as to assume that I could know such a thing with certainty. > > Yea. I understand. I have had some strange things happen with > the power of attention. Sometimes I have had an ardent need, > or desire, (which I would characterize as unselfish). I have > the desire, then let it go, and then replace it with "thy > will be done", and in several instances the need has been > fulfilled. If I can have those results as an amateur, I wonder > what results a more realized person could have. I am avoiding this whole topic because (Gawd help me) like Judy I find the belief that either nature or MMY caused this plane crash ludicrous. Unlike her, I don't find the *belief* that either nature or MMY caused it surprising, or think that such beliefs were and are uncommon in the TMO; on the contrary, I find them very common indeed. I see it as just another example of looking at everyday events and projecting what one *wants to believe* into them to make them more "special," or to make the person around whom the everyday events happened seem more "special," and thus -- having been his student -- make the person doing the projecting feel more "special." To me all of this is on the same level as "Wow...I made my morning commute today without hitting a single red traffic light...I sure have the 'support of nature' today." Yeah, right. Self-importance, in my book. Or "I 'know' that hurricane Katrina was cosmic payback for folks in New Orleans not living the way I want them to...it's the Laws Of Nature taking action." Bullcrap. It was just a hurricane. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes a plane crash is just a plane crash. Get over it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Jerry addresses IA, one of the Nazis gets canned
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" wrote: > > Periodically I run across folks who have some conncetion > to TMO, and it's like they are always wanting to assume > the role of Guru, and have other people revere them, and > accord them special status. BINGO. It's as if they expect to "evolve" into other people treating them the way they treated Maharishi. It's like the unstated (but widely assumed) "payoff" of enlightenment for them is: "I will be able to say things, and people will believe them just because I say them." Just look at how some folks get so upset when people *don't* believe everything they say just because they said it. It's not limited to the TMO by any means, but I agree it's more pronounced in long-term TMers than in other "flavors" of spiritual seekers I've run into. For example, seekers from trad- itions in which the teacher is more seen as adviser than guru -- someone you can ask *any* question of, and then question his answer -- don't tend to display this trait. Whereas if the tradition tends to revolve around "the guru is always correct and you have to believe what he says," they always do. It's like "dogma and dogmatism perpetuates dogma and dogmatism," and "open discussion perpetuates open discussion." On a related topic, I see the obsession with unearned "Ph.D's" and giving oneself titles like "Raja" or "Ultimate Poohbah in charge of the Domain Of West Buttfuck, Africa" as part of the same syndrome. The letters after their names and the titles in front of their names are "props" to encourage others to believe what they say.
