[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[salyavin808]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > But what's the problem with having a vote? "Do you think 
> > the post limit should be raised to 100 in any one week?" 
> > If you agree reply with the word "Yeah"; if not reply 
> > with the word "Nay".Count the responses and a simple 
> > majority means the rule is left as is or is amended.
> 
> Nay, nay, a thousand times nay.
> 
> There...the vote is now 1000 to 1.  :-)
>


Nay from me too. I remember the bad old days when the people who
can't help themselves used to knee-jerk all day long. I suspect
that there would be quite few extra jerks these days

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> But what's the problem with having a vote? "Do you think 
> the post limit should be raised to 100 in any one week?" 
> If you agree reply with the word "Yeah"; if not reply 
> with the word "Nay".Count the responses and a simple 
> majority means the rule is left as is or is amended.

Nay, nay, a thousand times nay.

There...the vote is now 1000 to 1.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd noticed the
> > > > Post Counter messages but had always ignored them and assumed they were
> > > > just the missives of an FFL member with OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby
> > > > and desperately needed to get a life. There are no limits on posts on
> > > > other Yahoo groups. At least this explains why sometimes I've started a
> > > > topic and no one has responded. I thought perhaps no one was interested
> > > > in Seraphita's message! An amusing idea of course - in fact I'm
> > > > chuckling to myself as I'm typing these words - but clearly people were
> > > > saving their ammunition in case something urgent cropped up.
> > > > Assuming though that a limit is a necessary evil couldn't the number of
> > > > messages be extended? How about 100 and then you're out?
> > > > So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off his
> > > > backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many thanks) but does
> > > > that mean he's dictator for life? And what happens when he "drops the
> > > > body" - is there a designated successor waiting to take over or are we
> > > > in for a period of anarchy?
> > > 
> > > I think Buck and Barry are gonna duke it out for control. All bets are 
> > > off for me on who's gonna take it though.
> > > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Rick offered ownership of FFL to me, but I declined. My first official act, 
> > though, would be to abolish posting limits.
> > 
> >
> 
> No I'll get it.  Turqb is a newbie here.  If we need to litigate it we'll 
> take it to the Shankaracharya to decide.  I got seniority. You all better git 
> ready for the new 30-post limit then and much more strict enforcement of the 
> FFL anti-blasphemy guidelines.
> Sincerely, -Buck

God Buck, how I LOVE YOU!
> 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > > ===
> > > > > > Start Date (UTC): 07/27/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/03/13 00:00:00
> > > > > > 444 messages as of (UTC) 07/31/13 23:27:52
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 48 Michael Jackson
> > > > >
> > > > > >  1 mjackson74
> > > > >
> > > > > Whoa, dude, yer like at 49, so like chill out and only make one more
> > > > post this week, like, ok?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > > >  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Probably not much.
> > > > 
> > > > Right you are.
> > > > 
> > > > But then, she wasn't asking you.
> > > 
> > > Opsie-Judy. She *was* asking you.
> > > 
> > > Not sure why, though.
> > 
> > No, I was asking Barry whose post I was responding to. At
> > least, I thought I was...!
> 
> You were originally, but then Xeno had a comment,
> and you asked him if he'd respond to your questions,
> since Barry obviously wasn't going to.

Good thing someone knows what is going on here. Thanks authfriend. 

We know that Barry doesn't respond because he's too busy paying for his coffee 
and croissant by washing dishes. It's hard to find the time to come up with 
cogent posts when you're elbow deep in French dishwater.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[Ann]

Thanks for taking the time to re-answer this. I was originally asking the 
Almighty Barry for his feedback but I appreciate yours. Let's see if I can make 
any sense of it and, in turn, offer something that appeals to your sensibility.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> 
> > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> 
> > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> 
> Probably not much. Because the human nervous system responds to situations in 
> a stimulus response pattern, basically all our activity revolves around 
> button pushing. You are just codifying certain types of stimulus response 
> that functions at a more mentally conceptual level and which you interpret as 
> annoying.

You see, here is the most important point. Barry has only pushed my "buttons" 
once. That is when he was foaming at the mouth about "stupid cunts". Other than 
that he only imagines he pushes my buttons. I have very sticky buttons that are 
not only tricky to find but trickier to actually depress. So all this time he 
claims he is pushing buttons but I am sorry to have to admit to him that this 
is not so. I don't ever take Barry personally nor do I take him seriously 
therefore I am immune to him. But, as with anyone, if he becomes a big enough 
asshole I will call him on it because that is what I do.
> 
> > *What motivates them?
> 
> Don't know. Desire is pretty spontaneous, it wells up inside and then takes 
> form. Motivation is a post hoc attempt to explain this particularly defined 
> annoying behaviour. There could be many explanations. Perhaps a person wants 
> attention; or just wants to see what happens; or maybe is unaware to a large 
> extent of how what they do affects others.

You may be right. Whatever it is, it is an indicator of something. I imagine 
that if people get off pushing, or imagining they are pushing, the buttons of 
others that it is just a form of sadism. It is also a clue that this person 
thinks they can control and that other people are controllable. This, in turn, 
makes me think button pushers are bullies or have been bullied.
> 
> > *What overriding character trait must a button pusher possess in order to 
> > want to push people's buttons?
> 
> They must have a human nervous system, but 'character trait' is an attempt to 
> create a definition for a certain kind of behaviour.

"Character trait" is simply describing or attributing a characteristic of 
someone's actions to something else. You can play the objective, disassociated 
party all you want Xeno, but bottom line, different people have different 
characters and different traits that go along with those characters. We are not 
some nebulous, miasma floating around in some indefinable goo. We have edges 
and colours and definition. On some level we are not just some abstract 
Absolute; a part of us actually exists and functions and has substance.

 >In the US, Democrats push Republican buttons and vice versa. You could 
 >reverse the argument and ask what character trait does a button pushee have 
 >that allows them to get their buttons pushed? Among these would be a 
 >characteristic that one possess a system of belief that does not accurately 
 >represent reality. When a discrepancy in this conglomerate of beliefs is 
 >pointed out, the button gets pushed. There are also non-conceptual buttons, 
 >such as being tickled if you are ticklish. I think the main characteristic 
 >falls on we who get our buttons pushed. By blaming someone else, we don't 
 >have to clean our own house.

Come o. You are human, are you not? I mean, I think you are but you don't 
act human at least half of the time. You speak in complete abstractions. These 
abstractions, in turn, end up being meaningless because they aren't actually 
focused or therefore relevant. You also seem to believe that if someone reacts 
or even interacts with another that somehow this indicates that their buttons 
have been pushed. This is simply not so. Just because some people can be 
odiously assholish doesn't mean they have pushed buttons. It means they 
probably prompted someone to call them on their lying or their 
misrepresentation or their shortsightedness. There are those who exist to try 
and piss others off as if this is somehow a worthy cause. I guess I need a 
definition of "button" from you because it seems like you are perceiving anyone 
who takes exception to lies or rudeness is somehow to blame for something. Take 
a look at your last sentence in the paragraph above.
> 
> Button pushing does get out of hand in human civilisation. War is the best 
> example. The divergence in conceptual thinking is so great, the only way to 
> eliminate it is to remove one or both sides of the equation. Look at what 
> happened recently in Egypt.

I would venture to say that the escalation toward war would be best described 
as something other than "button pushing". There has to be a fa

[FairfieldLife] Maharishi sneezes!

[Seraphita]

A long time ago, during a discussion about the rewards of achieving
cosmic consciousness, a TM teacher I knew opined that all life's
problems would vanish. One of those present asked if that meant diseases
would be overcome. Yes, said our teacher. Then, curiously, he mentioned
that one time he'd been in Maharishi's presence and our "guru" had a
cold. "But I think I know why he did that" , said the teacher. Well yes,
I think I know why Maharishi had a cold: he came into contact with the
common cold virus just like the rest of us do. So what did the teacher
mean by that enigmatic remark? On reflection I guessed he was implying
that someone in Maharishi's inner circle was coming down with the bug;
it would be very inconvenient that said person would be off work so
Maharishi voluntarily took on his karma. By himself developing the cold
symptoms he also released the original target from falling ill.
That immediately led to two reactions on my part : -"Jesus, I hope he
doesn't say shit like this to non-members. They might think that people
in the TMO are a bit weird." And " This has to be the perfect
"Get-Out-Of-Jail-Free" card". Reasoning like that can provide the
perfect excuse for any apparent lapses in Maharishi's behaviour.
In those days I used to smoke and the same teacher said to me once that
he'd never known a smoker achieve a clear experience of transcendence. I
wasn't sure he believed that or if he was just trying to encourage me to
stop the filthy habit. (Fair enough, I suppose.) Now I find it amusing
that the reigning poster boy for TM is the chain-smoking David Lynch!
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj (the "Beedi Baba") was also a chain smoker. He
was explaining one time how anyone realising enlightenment would find it
easy to drop a drug habit. A young American visitor said, "But you've
been smoking non-stop all the time you've been talking to us!" Maharaj
replied that during his working life as a kiosk tobacconist he'd become
addicted to the drug and discovered it was so tiresome to drop the habit
that it was easier to just carry on smoking and allow the body to kill
itself. Wow! That's the Indian infatuation with the Absolute  for you.
What matters is to realise one's identity with the Absolute - or to die
to self and be absorbed in the (one-and-only) Self. Everything else is
froth on the surface of the Deep.
Notice that his attitude is the exact opposite on the new-age mindset.
New agers have taken to heart the consumer society and along with all
the latest must -haves that make life so convenient and colourful
they've added "spiritual" goodies to their shopping list to make life
even more satisfactory. Now Seraphita is a big softy and has become
dependent on many of the comforts available from the consumer culture.
But I recognise that Maharaj was after much bigger game. The pearl of
great price.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck

[Buck]

There has been a recent push for humanist chaplains in the United States 
military. Around 13,000 active service members are atheist or agnostic.
http://www.npr.org/2013/07/31/207320123/should-military-chaplains-have-to-believe-in-god

> 
> 108
> 
> He who turns toward God will lack for nothing.
>   
> All his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly, by the association 
> with saints, all the sins, misery, and poverty will be totally eliminated. 
>   
> Taking recourse to satsaÙga gives rise to discrimination. It awakens one to 
> what is proper and improper, meritrious and sinful, dharmik and adharmik, and 
> to cognition of one's duty. That is why one who participates in satsaÙga is 
> saved from adharma and engages himself in right action. Saved from sin, he 
> will carry out meritorious activities. Established doctrine decrees, Dharmeœa 
> pÅpam anudati, that by practicing dharma, sins will be destroyed. Similarly, 
> satsaÙga also destroys sin.
>   The sorrow and anxiety which naturally scorch the human heart are 
> cleansed and pacified by sitting in satsanga and by listening to discussions 
> about BhagavÅn. The inner instrument of one who does satsaÙga will naturally 
> become peaceful. 
>   Through satsaÙga the human being turns towards the omnipotent, 
> all-capable BhagavÅn. One who has turned towards The Lord will lack for 
> nothing in the world, and all his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. 
> Similarly, association with saints will totally eliminate all sins, misery, 
> and poverty. 
> http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> >
> > Buck is, what is known as in the spiritual industry as, the Spiritual Slut. 
> > I have myself in the past talked about Buck's Spiritual Slut Syndrome. He 
> > sleeps with any saint that visits his town he can't help it.
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  wrote:
> > 
> > > Buck wrote:
> > > 
> > > 'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of the 
> > > Mohicans, -Buck'
> > > 
> > > In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is 
> > > extinction. What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some 
> > > kind of probation? What would a parole violation be?
> > > 
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Ravi Chivukula]

Seraphita baby why don't you post out a few more times and then let me
see if I can summon my yogic powers to crown Alex as the moderator of
FFL.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> But what's the problem with having a vote? "Do you think the post
limit
> should be raised to 100 in any one week?" If you agree reply with the
> word "Yeah"; if not reply with the word "Nay".Count the responses and
a
> simple majority means the rule is left as is or is amended.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd
> > > noticed the Post Counter messages but had always ignored them
> > > and assumed they were just the missives of an FFL member with
> > > OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby and desperately needed to get
> > > a life.
> >
> > It's actually a PHP script running on an old Dell laptop. It runs in
> spite of me, not because of me. All glory goes to Bhairitu, who must
> have pulled out all his hair trying to walk me through this neckbeard
> nightmare.
> >
> > > There are no limits on posts on other Yahoo groups.
> >
> > That's because the people on those groups are smart and use their
> brains and/or software to filter out what they don't want to read.
> >
> > > So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off
> > > his backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many
> > > thanks) but does that mean he's dictator for life?
> >
> > Yes, unless he transfers ownership of the group to someone else.
> >
> > > And what happens when he "drops the body" - is there a designated
> > > successor waiting to take over or are we in for a period of
anarchy?
> >
> > I dunno... I just assumed Rick would do the rainbow body thang and
> continue running FFL from the other side.
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
(snip)
> My mother's family has a very distinct dialect that comes
> from real shore nuff country folk. In fact a great writer
> Tony Earley who grew up with this same dialect in North
> Carolina wrote an essay published in the New Yorker or
> Smithsonian called "The Quare Gene"
> 
> The title refers to the word "quare" that was used a couple
> hundred years ago in England and in the mountains of
> Appalachia. It means strange, peculiar and it is still used
> in some circles today in the South and I assure you it is
> not a compliment.

According to Wikipedia, it's the Irish-English 
pronunciation of "queer" (no connotation of homosexuality):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quare_Fellow

The play, by Brendan Behan, was made into a movie, 1962,
starring Patrick McGoohan and Sylvia Syms. It's set in 
a Dublin prison.

Urban Dictionary says it can also mean "very" or
"extremely":

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quare

Apparently there was a big migration of Scots-Irish to
North Carolina in the mid-18th century.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:39 PM, authfriend  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > Ravi Beloveda Yogaayanam
> >
> > Verse 108
> >
> > Om Sri Ravi yogi Kali pimpah spiritual sluttaanaya vinashaaya namah
> >
> > Translation: Glory be to Ravi Yogi, the Kali's Pimp, whose single curse
> can
> > free the spiritual sluts of their religious, delusional fantasies.
>
> LOL. More, more!
>

Ah - out of my boundless compassion I offer you these recent pearls of
wisdom from the classic The Rogue Sage.

The rogue sage is untainted, untouched, untarnished by the alluring wiles
of the agami karmas.

Irony, sarcasm, cursing is the language of the rogue sage as he is amused
by the fragile, fleeting, fanciful claims of fools.

This is the higher, nobler way of the rogue sage.

(Translated from The Rogue Sage, Chapter 9 Verse 108)


>
> > On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Buck  wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 108
> > >
> > > He who turns toward God will lack for nothing.
> > >
> > > All his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly, by the
> association
> > > with saints, all the sins, misery, and poverty will be totally
> eliminated.
> > >
> > > Taking recourse to satsaÙga gives rise to discrimination. It awakens
> one
>
> > > to what is proper and improper, meritrious and sinful, dharmik and
> > > adharmik, and to cognition of one's duty. That is why one who
> participates
> > > in satsaÙga is saved from adharma and engages himself in right action.
>
> > > Saved from sin, he will carry out meritorious activities. Established
> > > doctrine decrees, DharmeÅ"a pÃ…pam anudati, that by practicing dharma,
> sins
> > > will be destroyed. Similarly, satsaÙga also destroys sin.
>
> > > The sorrow and anxiety which naturally scorch the human heart are
> cleansed
> > > and pacified by sitting in satsanga and by listening to discussions
> about
> > > BhagavÅn. The inner instrument of one who does satsaÙga will
> naturally
> > > become peaceful.
> > > Through satsaÙga the human being turns towards the omnipotent,
> all-capable
> > > BhagavÃ…n. One who has turned towards The Lord will lack for nothing
> in the
>
> > > world, and all his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly,
> > > association with saints will totally eliminate all sins, misery, and
> > > poverty.
> > > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Buck is, what is known as in the spiritual industry as, the Spiritual
> > > Slut. I have myself in the past talked about Buck's Spiritual Slut
> > > Syndrome. He sleeps with any saint that visits his town he can't help
> it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Buck wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of
> the
> > > Mohicans, -Buck'
> > > > >
> > > > > In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is
> > > extinction. What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some
> kind
> > > of probation? What would a parole violation be?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[Ravi Chivukula]

Can you ever stop being playful?

How can be so cruel to the suffering of Appalachia?

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-signs-declining-economic-security-195030441.html

Arise Mahatma Mikey Dixie boy and slay the ignorance, misery of your
Appalachia (don't forget they are all related to you)



On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Mike Dixon  wrote:

> **
>
>
> Actually Ravioli-geee, I grew up mo accustomized to Ebonic than
> Appalachian. Ain't heard nairy a word in da Appalachian dialect spoke.
> However,I had me a mammy when I was a lil' chil' and she brung me up in
> Louisiana Ebonic, commonly known as bayou ebonics. I speaks dat flurently.
>
>*From:* Ravi Chivukula 
> *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your
> Appalachian English grammar?
>  **
>
> This is for Mikey Dixie boy, Dixon not Jackson.
> 
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, seventhray27 wrote:
> **
>
> **
>
>   Those are great.  I love Appalachian grammar.
>
> A few things I hear in my line of business.
>
> When referring to anything pertaining to brick, it is always "masonary"
> instead of "masonry".  I would win if I bet that the term was used
> correctly only 10% of the time.
>
> Then there is the word "zinc" for "sink".  Not used incorrectly quite as
> often, but still frequently.
>
> Then there is Harley "Davison" for Harley "Davidson"
>
> Now, I like to say for fun, (and because my wife has a Master's degree in
> French and has flawless grammar), that I am going to Walmart's, or Target's
> or something like that.
>
> BTW Michael,  I always enjoy the stories about your family, including your
> childhood.
> **--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:** >**>
> Something to get you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your**>
> Appalachian cattle a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer trash**>
> roots.**> **>
> http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialects-063000829.html
> ** > **> Good luck man - I love you.**>**
>
> **
>  
>
>  
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[Mike Dixon]

Yuz normal? Lawd H'mercy!

 


 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian 
English grammar?
  
   
 
Well, I am hoping that Ravi was referring to the other Mike but maybe not. My 
mother's family has a very distinct dialect that comes from real shore nuff 
country folk. In fact a great writer Tony Earley who grew up with this same 
dialect in North Carolina wrote an essay published in the New Yorker or 
Smithsonian called "The Quare Gene"The title refers to the word "quare" that 
was used a couple hundred years ago in England and in the mountains of 
Appalachia. It means strange, peculiar and it is still used in some circles 
today in the South and I assure you it is not a compliment. One of the other 
words Momma's people used is "karney," an old pronunciation of carrion, and it 
grew to mean not only road kill, but people,  places, things and even food that 
is so karney it reminds one of road kill, real ripe road kill at that. Pretty 
much everyone in my family agrees that my brother is the karniest of all of us 
three kids and my sister is the quarest. I am,
 of course, very normal.

 


 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian 
English grammar?
  
  
Those are great.  I love Appalachian grammar.

A few things I hear in my line of business.

When referring to anything pertaining to brick, it is always "masonary" instead 
of "masonry".  I would win if I bet that the term was used correctly only 10% 
of the time.

Then there is the word "zinc" for "sink".  Not used incorrectly quite as often, 
but still frequently.

Then there is Harley "Davison" for Harley "Davidson"

Now, I like to say for fun, (and because my wife has a Master's degree in 
French and has flawless grammar), that I am going to Walmart's, or Target's or 
something like that.

BTW Michael,  I always enjoy the stories about your family, including your 
childhood.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:>> Something to get 
you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your> Appalachian cattle 
a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer trash> roots.> > 
http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialects-063000829.html>
 > Good luck man - I love you.>  
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Ravi Beloveda Yogaayanam
> 
> Verse 108
> 
> Om Sri Ravi yogi Kali pimpah spiritual sluttaanaya vinashaaya namah
> 
> Translation: Glory be to Ravi Yogi, the Kali's Pimp, whose single curse can
> free the spiritual sluts of their religious, delusional fantasies.

LOL. More, more!



 
> On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Buck  wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> > 108
> >
> > He who turns toward God will lack for nothing.
> >
> > All his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly, by the association
> > with saints, all the sins, misery, and poverty will be totally eliminated.
> >
> > Taking recourse to satsaÙga gives rise to discrimination. It awakens one
> > to what is proper and improper, meritrious and sinful, dharmik and
> > adharmik, and to cognition of one's duty. That is why one who participates
> > in satsaÙga is saved from adharma and engages himself in right action.
> > Saved from sin, he will carry out meritorious activities. Established
> > doctrine decrees, DharmeÅ"a pÅpam anudati, that by practicing dharma, sins
> > will be destroyed. Similarly, satsaÙga also destroys sin.
> > The sorrow and anxiety which naturally scorch the human heart are cleansed
> > and pacified by sitting in satsanga and by listening to discussions about
> > BhagavÅn. The inner instrument of one who does satsaÙga will naturally
> > become peaceful.
> > Through satsaÙga the human being turns towards the omnipotent, all-capable
> > BhagavÅn. One who has turned towards The Lord will lack for nothing in the
> > world, and all his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly,
> > association with saints will totally eliminate all sins, misery, and
> > poverty.
> > http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Buck is, what is known as in the spiritual industry as, the Spiritual
> > Slut. I have myself in the past talked about Buck's Spiritual Slut
> > Syndrome. He sleeps with any saint that visits his town he can't help it.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Buck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of the
> > Mohicans, -Buck'
> > > >
> > > > In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is
> > extinction. What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some kind
> > of probation? What would a parole violation be?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >  
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Buck]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  
wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd noticed the
> > > Post Counter messages but had always ignored them and assumed they were
> > > just the missives of an FFL member with OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby
> > > and desperately needed to get a life. There are no limits on posts on
> > > other Yahoo groups. At least this explains why sometimes I've started a
> > > topic and no one has responded. I thought perhaps no one was interested
> > > in Seraphita's message! An amusing idea of course - in fact I'm
> > > chuckling to myself as I'm typing these words - but clearly people were
> > > saving their ammunition in case something urgent cropped up.
> > > Assuming though that a limit is a necessary evil couldn't the number of
> > > messages be extended? How about 100 and then you're out?
> > > So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off his
> > > backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many thanks) but does
> > > that mean he's dictator for life? And what happens when he "drops the
> > > body" - is there a designated successor waiting to take over or are we
> > > in for a period of anarchy?
> > 
> > I think Buck and Barry are gonna duke it out for control. All bets are off 
> > for me on who's gonna take it though.
> > > 
> 
> 
> Rick offered ownership of FFL to me, but I declined. My first official act, 
> though, would be to abolish posting limits.
> 
>

No I'll get it.  Turqb is a newbie here.  If we need to litigate it we'll take 
it to the Shankaracharya to decide.  I got seniority. You all better git ready 
for the new 30-post limit then and much more strict enforcement of the FFL 
anti-blasphemy guidelines.
Sincerely, -Buck

> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > > ===
> > > > > Start Date (UTC): 07/27/13 00:00:00
> > > > > End Date (UTC): 08/03/13 00:00:00
> > > > > 444 messages as of (UTC) 07/31/13 23:27:52
> > > > >
> > > > > 48 Michael Jackson
> > > >
> > > > >  1 mjackson74
> > > >
> > > > Whoa, dude, yer like at 49, so like chill out and only make one more
> > > post this week, like, ok?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> > > > 
> > > > > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> > > > 
> > > > > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> > > > 
> > > > Probably not much.
> > > 
> > > Right you are.
> > > 
> > > But then, she wasn't asking you.
> > 
> > Opsie-Judy. She *was* asking you.
> > 
> > Not sure why, though.
> 
> No, I was asking Barry whose post I was responding to. At
> least, I thought I was...!

You were originally, but then Xeno had a comment,
and you asked him if he'd respond to your questions,
since Barry obviously wasn't going to.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[Mike Dixon]

Actually Ravioli-geee, I grew up mo accustomized to Ebonic than Appalachian. 
Ain't heard nairy a word in da Appalachian dialect spoke. However,I had me a 
mammy when I was a lil' chil' and she brung me up in Louisiana Ebonic, commonly 
known as bayou ebonics. I speaks dat flurently.
 


 From: Ravi Chivukula 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian 
English grammar?
  
   
 
This is for Mikey Dixie boy, Dixon not Jackson.

On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, seventhray27  wrote: 
 
>  
>Those are great.  I love Appalachian grammar.
>
>
>A few things I hear in my line of business.
>
>
>When referring to anything pertaining to brick, it is always "masonary" 
>instead of "masonry".  I would win if I bet that the term was used correctly 
>only 10% of the time. 
>
>
>Then there is the word "zinc" for "sink".  Not used incorrectly quite as 
>often, but still frequently.
>
>
>Then there is Harley "Davison" for Harley "Davidson"
>
>
>Now, I like to say for fun, (and because my wife has a Master's degree in 
>French and has flawless grammar), that I am going to Walmart's, or Target's or 
>something like that. 
>
>
>BTW Michael,  I always enjoy the stories about your family, including your 
>childhood.
>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote: >> Something to 
>get you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your> Appalachian cattle 
>a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer trash> roots.> > 
>http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialects-063000829.html
> > > Good luck man - I love you.> 
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

Ravi Beloveda Yogaayanam

Verse 108

Om Sri Ravi yogi Kali pimpah spiritual sluttaanaya vinashaaya namah

Translation: Glory be to Ravi Yogi, the Kali's Pimp, whose single curse can
free the spiritual sluts of their religious, delusional fantasies.




On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Buck  wrote:

> **
>
>
>
> 108
>
> He who turns toward God will lack for nothing.
>
> All his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly, by the association
> with saints, all the sins, misery, and poverty will be totally eliminated.
>
> Taking recourse to satsaÙga gives rise to discrimination. It awakens one
> to what is proper and improper, meritrious and sinful, dharmik and
> adharmik, and to cognition of one's duty. That is why one who participates
> in satsaÙga is saved from adharma and engages himself in right action.
> Saved from sin, he will carry out meritorious activities. Established
> doctrine decrees, Dharmeœa pÅpam anudati, that by practicing dharma, sins
> will be destroyed. Similarly, satsaÙga also destroys sin.
> The sorrow and anxiety which naturally scorch the human heart are cleansed
> and pacified by sitting in satsanga and by listening to discussions about
> BhagavÅn. The inner instrument of one who does satsaÙga will naturally
> become peaceful.
> Through satsaÙga the human being turns towards the omnipotent, all-capable
> BhagavÅn. One who has turned towards The Lord will lack for nothing in the
> world, and all his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly,
> association with saints will totally eliminate all sins, misery, and
> poverty.
> http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula 
> wrote:
> >
> > Buck is, what is known as in the spiritual industry as, the Spiritual
> Slut. I have myself in the past talked about Buck's Spiritual Slut
> Syndrome. He sleeps with any saint that visits his town he can't help it.
> >
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Buck wrote:
> > >
> > > 'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of the
> Mohicans, -Buck'
> > >
> > > In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is
> extinction. What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some kind
> of probation? What would a parole violation be?
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
> >
> > I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd noticed the
> > Post Counter messages but had always ignored them and assumed they were
> > just the missives of an FFL member with OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby
> > and desperately needed to get a life. There are no limits on posts on
> > other Yahoo groups. At least this explains why sometimes I've started a
> > topic and no one has responded. I thought perhaps no one was interested
> > in Seraphita's message! An amusing idea of course - in fact I'm
> > chuckling to myself as I'm typing these words - but clearly people were
> > saving their ammunition in case something urgent cropped up.
> > Assuming though that a limit is a necessary evil couldn't the number of
> > messages be extended? How about 100 and then you're out?
> > So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off his
> > backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many thanks) but does
> > that mean he's dictator for life? And what happens when he "drops the
> > body" - is there a designated successor waiting to take over or are we
> > in for a period of anarchy?
> 
> I think Buck and Barry are gonna duke it out for control. All bets are off 
> for me on who's gonna take it though.
> > 


Rick offered ownership of FFL to me, but I declined. My first official act, 
though, would be to abolish posting limits.


> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > > ===
> > > > Start Date (UTC): 07/27/13 00:00:00
> > > > End Date (UTC): 08/03/13 00:00:00
> > > > 444 messages as of (UTC) 07/31/13 23:27:52
> > > >
> > > > 48 Michael Jackson
> > >
> > > >  1 mjackson74
> > >
> > > Whoa, dude, yer like at 49, so like chill out and only make one more
> > post this week, like, ok?
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd noticed the
> Post Counter messages but had always ignored them and assumed they were
> just the missives of an FFL member with OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby
> and desperately needed to get a life. There are no limits on posts on
> other Yahoo groups. At least this explains why sometimes I've started a
> topic and no one has responded. I thought perhaps no one was interested
> in Seraphita's message! An amusing idea of course - in fact I'm
> chuckling to myself as I'm typing these words - but clearly people were
> saving their ammunition in case something urgent cropped up.
> Assuming though that a limit is a necessary evil couldn't the number of
> messages be extended? How about 100 and then you're out?
> So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off his
> backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many thanks) but does
> that mean he's dictator for life? And what happens when he "drops the
> body" - is there a designated successor waiting to take over or are we
> in for a period of anarchy?

I think Buck and Barry are gonna duke it out for control. All bets are off for 
me on who's gonna take it though.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > > ===
> > > Start Date (UTC): 07/27/13 00:00:00
> > > End Date (UTC): 08/03/13 00:00:00
> > > 444 messages as of (UTC) 07/31/13 23:27:52
> > >
> > > 48 Michael Jackson
> >
> > >  1 mjackson74
> >
> > Whoa, dude, yer like at 49, so like chill out and only make one more
> post this week, like, ok?
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Share Long]

Seraphita, there have been discussions about this before, especially among the 
long term members. Evidently there was unlimited posting at one time. Some 
people posted a lot and other people didn't like that. I don't understand why. 
Anyway, then the limit was 35! Currently it's 50 as you know. Or 7 per day as I 
prefer to think of it. I was accustomed to unlimited posting so felt a bit 
constrained by the rule. However, I've come to think of it as a literary form, 
like a sonnet: here are the rules, now see how creative you can be whilst 
abiding by them.  





 From: Seraphita 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 8:48 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC
 


  
But what's the problem with having a vote? 
"Do you think the post limit should be raised to 100 in any one week?" If you 
agree reply with the word "Yeah"; if not reply with the word "Nay".
Count the responses and a simple majority means the rule is left as is or is 
amended.

 
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd
> > noticed the Post Counter messages but had always ignored them
> > and assumed they were just the missives of an FFL member with
> > OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby and desperately needed to get
> > a life.
> 
> It's actually a PHP script running on an old Dell laptop. It runs in spite of 
> me, not because of me. All glory goes to Bhairitu, who must have pulled out 
> all his hair trying to walk me through this neckbeard nightmare.
> 
> > There are no limits on posts on other Yahoo groups. 
> 
> That's because the people on those groups are smart and use their brains 
> and/or software to filter out what they don't want to read. 
> 
> > So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off
> > his backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many
> > thanks) but does that mean he's dictator for life?
> 
> Yes, unless he transfers ownership of the group to someone else.
> 
> > And what happens when he "drops the body" - is there a designated
> > successor waiting to take over or are we in for a period of anarchy?
> 
> I dunno... I just assumed Rick would do the rainbow body thang and continue 
> running FFL from the other side.
>

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> > > 
> > > > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> > > 
> > > > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> > > 
> > > Probably not much.
> > 
> > Right you are.
> > 
> > But then, she wasn't asking you.
> 
> Opsie-Judy. She *was* asking you.
> 
> Not sure why, though.

No, I was asking Barry whose post I was responding to. At least, I thought I 
was...!
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Buck

[Buck]

108

He who turns toward God will lack for nothing.

All his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly, by the association with 
saints, all the sins, misery, and poverty will be totally eliminated. 

Taking recourse to satsaÙga gives rise to discrimination. It awakens one to 
what is proper and improper, meritrious and sinful, dharmik and adharmik, and 
to cognition of one's duty. That is why one who participates in satsaÙga is 
saved from adharma and engages himself in right action. Saved from sin, he will 
carry out meritorious activities. Established doctrine decrees, Dharmeœa pÅpam 
anudati, that by practicing dharma, sins will be destroyed. Similarly, satsaÙga 
also destroys sin.
The sorrow and anxiety which naturally scorch the human heart are 
cleansed and pacified by sitting in satsanga and by listening to discussions 
about BhagavÅn. The inner instrument of one who does satsaÙga will naturally 
become peaceful. 
Through satsaÙga the human being turns towards the omnipotent, 
all-capable BhagavÅn. One who has turned towards The Lord will lack for nothing 
in the world, and all his sorrow and misery will be destroyed. Similarly, 
association with saints will totally eliminate all sins, misery, and poverty. 
http://lbshriver.wordpress.com/guru-dev-lectures/


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Buck is, what is known as in the spiritual industry as, the Spiritual Slut. I 
> have myself in the past talked about Buck's Spiritual Slut Syndrome. He 
> sleeps with any saint that visits his town he can't help it.
> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> 
> > Buck wrote:
> > 
> > 'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of the 
> > Mohicans, -Buck'
> > 
> > In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is 
> > extinction. What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some kind 
> > of probation? What would a parole violation be?
> > 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Seraphita]

But what's the problem with having a vote? "Do you think the post limit
should be raised to 100 in any one week?" If you agree reply with the
word "Yeah"; if not reply with the word "Nay".Count the responses and a
simple majority means the rule is left as is or is amended.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd
> > noticed the Post Counter messages but had always ignored them
> > and assumed they were just the missives of an FFL member with
> > OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby and desperately needed to get
> > a life.
>
> It's actually a PHP script running on an old Dell laptop. It runs in
spite of me, not because of me. All glory goes to Bhairitu, who must
have pulled out all his hair trying to walk me through this neckbeard
nightmare.
>
> > There are no limits on posts on other Yahoo groups.
>
> That's because the people on those groups are smart and use their
brains and/or software to filter out what they don't want to read.
>
> > So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off
> > his backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many
> > thanks) but does that mean he's dictator for life?
>
> Yes, unless he transfers ownership of the group to someone else.
>
> > And what happens when he "drops the body" - is there a designated
> > successor waiting to take over or are we in for a period of anarchy?
>
> I dunno... I just assumed Rick would do the rainbow body thang and
continue running FFL from the other side.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd
> noticed the Post Counter messages but had always ignored them
> and assumed they were just the missives of an FFL member with
> OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby and desperately needed to get
> a life.

It's actually a PHP script running on an old Dell laptop. It runs in spite of 
me, not because of me. All glory goes to Bhairitu, who must have pulled out all 
his hair trying to walk me through this neckbeard nightmare.

> There are no limits on posts on other Yahoo groups. 

That's because the people on those groups are smart and use their brains and/or 
software to filter out what they don't want to read. 

> So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off
> his backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many
> thanks) but does that mean he's dictator for life?

Yes, unless he transfers ownership of the group to someone else.

> And what happens when he "drops the body" - is there a designated
> successor waiting to take over or are we in for a period of anarchy?

I dunno... I just assumed Rick would do the rainbow body thang and continue 
running FFL from the other side.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Seraphita]

I got caught out by this count last week. Over the years I'd noticed the
Post Counter messages but had always ignored them and assumed they were
just the missives of an FFL member with OCD who'd taken it up as a hobby
and desperately needed to get a life. There are no limits on posts on
other Yahoo groups. At least this explains why sometimes I've started a
topic and no one has responded. I thought perhaps no one was interested
in Seraphita's message! An amusing idea of course - in fact I'm
chuckling to myself as I'm typing these words - but clearly people were
saving their ammunition in case something urgent cropped up.
Assuming though that a limit is a necessary evil couldn't the number of
messages be extended? How about 100 and then you're out?
So what's the power structure here? I know Rick Archer got off his
backside and set the whole thing moving (for which many thanks) but does
that mean he's dictator for life? And what happens when he "drops the
body" - is there a designated successor waiting to take over or are we
in for a period of anarchy?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley"  wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount ffl.postcount@
wrote:
> >
> > Fairfield Life Post Counter
> > ===
> > Start Date (UTC): 07/27/13 00:00:00
> > End Date (UTC): 08/03/13 00:00:00
> > 444 messages as of (UTC) 07/31/13 23:27:52
> >
> > 48 Michael Jackson
>
> >  1 mjackson74
>
> Whoa, dude, yer like at 49, so like chill out and only make one more
post this week, like, ok?
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Bhairitu]

She never said but was from the UK like you and didn't go much by 
"rules." ;-)

On 07/31/2013 05:20 PM, Seraphita wrote:
> By the way: what did your girlfriend do "wrong"? I like me a good
> scandal.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> I had a girlfriend who was excommunicated from the Church of
> Scientology.
>
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Post Count Thu 01-Aug-13 00:15:05 UTC

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, FFL PostCount  wrote:
>
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>  1 mjackson74 

Whoa, dude, yer like at 49, so like chill out and only make one more post this 
week, like, ok?

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Seraphita]

By the way: what did your girlfriend do "wrong"? I like me a good
scandal.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>

> I had a girlfriend who was excommunicated from the Church of
Scientology.

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Seraphita]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>

> The e-meter thing that is used in Scientology for auditing, sometimes
referred to as the "cans" because they used a couple of tin cans that
the person being audited would hold for sensors, measures the galvanic
skin response. They have these sets of questions and if the meter goes
off then that person has a problem in that area.  Then they work through
that with some kind of psychotherapy.
>
The theory sounds OK to me - and it means that two Scientologists can
audit each other therefore saving a fortune in fees otherwise paid to a
psychotherapist. In fact having an objective tool that shows signs of
stress sounds more sensible and reliable than the blessed Sigmund
Freud's technique of random association - asking a patient to say
whatever first springs to mind when the words "mother"/"sex"/"penis" are
thrown at him.
William Burroughs claim that the e-meter worked like a biofeedback
machine controlling brain waves and so capable of inducing altered
states of consciousness also sounds (kinda?!) plausible if you were
using the device on your own. You're holding the cans; you notice that
the needle showing galvanic skin response can be varied by slight
changes in your mental state. Couldn't someone sensitive enough learn
over time to compare the movements of the needle to his own mental state
and thus learn to tweak his consciousness. Burroughs could probably
qualify as sensitive in the right way given his experiences with . . . 
well, non-standard states of consciousness
The idea that biofeedback machines could provide an easy access to
meditative states had its heyday in the 1970s. The fact that that scene
has petered out somewhat suggests it maybe wasn't such a promising idea
after all.

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[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, I think your reading makes sense of the quote. Thanks.
>> Curiously, William Burroughs during his time with Scientology
>> became convinced that the infamous e-meter (essentially a
>> crude lie-detector)
> 
> That's what supposedly detects the engrams. I think "e"
> in "e-meter" stands for "engram."
> 
>> actually worked like a biofeedback machine controlling brain
>> waves and so capable of inducing altered states of
>> consciousness.
> 
> That doesn't sound right! But what do I know...
> 
>> (So making any comparison with meditation even
>> more suggestive.) He couldn't get anyone within the
>> organisation to agree with him and eventually fell out with
>> their "fascist" controlling mind set. He did make the grade of
>> "Clear" though. Maybe that compares with TM's CC!
> 
> I think it's directly parallel. There are a lot of
> similarities in the metaphysical teachings as well,
> at least on a basic level.

The term 'engram' seems to have been in use for at least over 100 years. In his 
1904 book 'Analysis of Mind' in lecture 4 - Influence of Past History on 
Present Occurrences in Living Organisms Bertrand Russell writes:

'The best writer on mnemic phenomena known to me is Richard Semon, the 
fundamental part of whose theory I shall endeavour to summarize before going 
further:

'When an organism, either animal or plant, is subjected to a stimulus, 
producing in it some state of excitement, the removal of the stimulus allows it 
to return to a condition of equilibrium. But the new state of equilibrium is 
different from the old, as may be seen by the changed capacity for reaction. 
The state of equilibrium before the stimulus may be called the "primary 
indifference-state"; that after the cessation of the stimulus, the "secondary 
indifference-state." We define the "engraphic effect" of a stimulus as the 
effect in making a difference between the primary and secondary 
indifference-states, and this difference itself we define as the "engram" due 
to the stimulus. "Mnemic phenomena" are defined as those due to engrams; in 
animals, they are specially associated with the nervous system, but not 
exclusively, even in man.'

'When two stimuli occur together, one of them, occurring afterwards, may call 
out the reaction for the other also. We call this an "ekphoric influence," and 
stimuli having this character are called "ekphoric stimuli." In such a case we 
call the engrams of the two stimuli "associated." All simultaneously generated 
engrams are associated; there is also association of successively aroused 
engrams, though this is reducible to simultaneous association. In fact, it is 
not an isolated stimulus that leaves an engram, but the totality of the stimuli 
at any moment; consequently any portion of this totality tends, if it recurs, 
to arouse the whole reaction which was aroused before. Semon holds that engrams 
can be inherited, and that an animal's innate habits may be due to the 
experience of its ancestors; on this subject he refers to Samuel Butler.'

Such was the the understanding of memory in 1904. Hubbard adopted the term with 
his own twist. As for a clear being CC, probably it would require UC or BC to 
not respond to a stimulus that attacks the ego.

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Shield Act

[Bhairitu]

On 07/30/2013 11:55 AM, Bhairitu wrote:
> On 07/30/2013 02:25 AM, emptybill wrote:
>> Pass the SHIELD Act Now, Before It's Too Late
>>
>> by R. James Woolsey and Dr. Peter Vincent Pry
>> > y> 29 Jul 2013
>>
>> On June 18, the Congressional EMP Caucus held a public event to launch
>> the SHIELD Act, which would protect the national electric grid from a
>> natural or manmade electromagnetic pulse (EMP).
>>
>> EMP is like super-lightning that can damage and destroy electronic
>> systems everywhere across vast regions, potentially across the entire
>> continental United States. An EMP catastrophe would blackout the
>> national electric grid for months or years, stopping the operation of
>> all the critical infrastructures--communications, transportation,
>> banking and finance, food and water--that sustain modern society and the
>> lives of the American people.
>>
>> EMP is the ultimate cyber threat, a high-tech means of killing millions
>> the old fashioned way--through starvation, disease, and societal
>> collapse.
>>
>> An EMP can be generated by a terrorist or rogue state nuclear missile,
>> or even by lofting a warhead with a balloon, perhaps launched off a
>> freighter near our shores to preserve anonymity, and burst at
>> high-altitude. A single crude nuclear weapon could generate an EMP that
>> would collapse electric grids and critical infrastructures everywhere in
>> the United States.
>>
>> A ship-launched EMP attack by terrorists or rogue states could conceal
>> the identity of the attacker, so we might never know who hit us.
>>
>> Iran, the world's chief sponsor of international terrorism, openly
>> writes about eliminating the United States with an EMP attack, has
>> conducted live missile launches simulating EMP attacks, and has
>> practiced missile launching from a vessel in the Caspian Sea. In
>> December 2012, North Korea used an intercontinental missile to orbit a
>> satellite that appeared to be a practice run for a surprise nuclear EMP
>> attack that bypasses U.S. early warning radars and missile defenses.
>>
>> An EMP can also be generated by the Sun, causing geomagnetic storms on
>> Earth. In 1989, a geomagnetic storm blacked out eastern Canada,
>> inflicting billions of dollars in losses. In 1859, the Carrington Event,
>> a rare geomagnetic super-storm, caused worldwide damage and fires in
>> telegraph stations and other primitive electronics--none of which were
>> then necessary for societal survival.
>>
>> Another Carrington Event that would collapse life-sustaining electric
>> grids and critical infrastructures everywhere on Earth is someday
>> inevitable.
>>
>> The above findings represent the mainstream scientific consensus of
>> every Congressional and U.S. Government study to examine the EMP threat,
>> including the Congressional EMP Commission, the National Academy of
>> Sciences, the Congressional Strategic Posture Commission, the Department
>> of Energy, the Departments of Defense and Homeland Security, the Federal
>> Energy Regulatory Commission, and the National Intelligence Council.
>>
>> The EMP Commission warned that, given our current state of
>> unpreparedness, within 12 months of a catastrophic EMP event, some
>> two-thirds to 90 percent of the U.S. total population, more than 200
>> million Americans, would perish from starvation, disease and societal
>> collapse.
>>
>> The good news is that the EMP Commission provided a cost-effective plan,
>> endorsed by all subsequent U.S. government studies, that could within a
>> few years protect U.S. critical infrastructures from the worst effects
>> of EMP. Indeed, protecting the 300 most important high-energy
>> transformers that are indispensable to the national power grid is
>> estimated to cost $100-200 million--about one dollar for every life that
>> would be saved. This alone is probably not sufficient protection, but it
>> is the absolute minimum necessary to create the possibility of saving
>> millions of American lives.
>>
>> The SHIELD Act, introduced by Congressman Trent Franks (R-AZ) and
>> co-sponsored by Congresswoman Yvette Clarke (D-NY), would implement the
>> most important recommendation of the EMP Commission. SHIELD would
>> empower the U.S. Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to require the
>> electric power industry to protect the national grid from EMP.
>>
>> SHIELD would also require the industry to protect the grid by selective
>> "hardening" of vital components by using surge arrestors, blocking
>> devices, faraday cages, and other proven technologies that the
>> Department of Defense has known for fifty years can reliably protect
>> military systems from EMP.
>>
>> There is no excuse to risk millions of American lives by failing to
>> protect the grid. Robust EMP protection of the national grid can be
>> accomplished for $2 billion--which is what the U.S. gives to Pakistan
>> every year in foreign aid. The U.S. Federal Energy 

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Yes, I think your reading makes sense of the quote. Thanks.
> Curiously, William Burroughs during his time with Scientology
> became convinced that the infamous e-meter (essentially a
> crude lie-detector)

That's what supposedly detects the engrams. I think "e"
in "e-meter" stands for "engram."

> actually worked like a biofeedback machine controlling brain
> waves and so capable of inducing altered states of
> consciousness.

That doesn't sound right! But what do I know...

> (So making any comparison with meditation even
> more suggestive.) He couldn't get anyone within the
> organisation to agree with him and eventually fell out with
> their "fascist" controlling mind set. He did make the grade of
> "Clear" though. Maybe that compares with TM's CC!

I think it's directly parallel. There are a lot of
similarities in the metaphysical teachings as well,
at least on a basic level.


> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Re the quote below I copied from another website, two things
> > > puzzle me: "[Maharishi]didn't have much to say about the
> > > Scientology techniques because the comparison was obvious to
> > > us.": is the speaker implying that Scientotlogy techniques are
> > > similar to TM? Complete nonsense surely?
> >
> > Don't think so. I'm no expert; what follows is just what
> > I've picked up from reading here and there, and I could
> > be way off.
> >
> > It seems to me there's an obvious similarity between
> > Scientology's "auditing" and what is said to occur in
> > TM. Auditing releases "engrams," which are the close
> > equivalent of "stresses" in TM; and once one has
> > released all one's "engrams," one is said to be "clear"--
> > a state whose description sounds a lot like TM's of
> > Cosmic Consciousness.
> >
> > There are a number of differences in how the techniques
> > are performed, but one *crucial* difference is that in TM,
> > one does not examine the stresses that are released;
> > whereas with auditing (which is conducted by an auditor),
> > the engrams must be thoroughly analyzed to be released.
> >
> > > Perhaps the speaker is saying we're already able to compare
> > > for ourselves Scientology's methods and the TMO's technique
> > > and Hubbard's are of no interest to us. Odd way of implying
> > > that sense!
> >
> > FWIW, that's what I took this sentence to mean when I first
> > read it. Any TMer would quickly recognize the similarity
> > with auditing, I should think, but would also reject the
> > notion that the engrams/stresses must be examined and
> > analyzed.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Bhairitu]

On 07/31/2013 03:41 PM, authfriend wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>> Re the quote below I copied from another website, two things
>> puzzle me: "[Maharishi]didn't have much to say about the
>> Scientology techniques because the comparison was obvious to
>> us.": is the speaker implying that Scientotlogy techniques are
>> similar to TM? Complete nonsense surely?
> Don't think so. I'm no expert; what follows is just what
> I've picked up from reading here and there, and I could
> be way off.
>
> It seems to me there's an obvious similarity between
> Scientology's "auditing" and what is said to occur in
> TM. Auditing releases "engrams," which are the close
> equivalent of "stresses" in TM; and once one has
> released all one's "engrams," one is said to be "clear"--
> a state whose description sounds a lot like TM's of
> Cosmic Consciousness.
>
> There are a number of differences in how the techniques
> are performed, but one *crucial* difference is that in TM,
> one does not examine the stresses that are released;
> whereas with auditing (which is conducted by an auditor),
> the engrams must be thoroughly analyzed to be released.
>
>> Perhaps the speaker is saying we're already able to compare
>> for ourselves Scientology's methods and the TMO's technique
>> and Hubbard's are of no interest to us. Odd way of implying
>> that sense!
> FWIW, that's what I took this sentence to mean when I first
> read it. Any TMer would quickly recognize the similarity
> with auditing, I should think, but would also reject the
> notion that the engrams/stresses must be examined and
> analyzed.
>
>
>

I had a girlfriend who was excommunicated from the Church of Scientology 
and she gave me a stack of their manuals.  The e-meter thing that is 
used in Scientology for auditing, sometimes referred to as the "cans" 
because they used a couple of tin cans that the person being audited 
would hold for sensors, measures the galvanic skin response. They have 
these sets of questions and if the meter goes off then that person has a 
problem in that area.  Then they work through that with some kind of 
psychotherapy.

I was fascinated with Scientology and read up on it and of course asked 
her questions about it though it was something she really wanted to 
leave behind.  I had no interest in trying it however.  I also had a 
bunch of musician friends who got way into it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Seraphita]

Yes, I think your reading makes sense of the quote. Thanks.
Curiously, William Burroughs during his time with Scientology became
convinced that the infamous e-meter (essentially a crude lie-detector)
actually worked like a biofeedback machine controlling brain waves and
so capable of inducing altered states of consciousness. (So making any
comparison with meditation even more suggestive.) He couldn't get anyone
within the organisation to agree with him and eventually fell out with
their "fascist" controlling mind set. He did make the grade of "Clear"
though. Maybe that compares with TM's CC!

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita" s3raphita@ wrote:
> >
> > Re the quote below I copied from another website, two things
> > puzzle me: "[Maharishi]didn't have much to say about the
> > Scientology techniques because the comparison was obvious to
> > us.": is the speaker implying that Scientotlogy techniques are
> > similar to TM? Complete nonsense surely?
>
> Don't think so. I'm no expert; what follows is just what
> I've picked up from reading here and there, and I could
> be way off.
>
> It seems to me there's an obvious similarity between
> Scientology's "auditing" and what is said to occur in
> TM. Auditing releases "engrams," which are the close
> equivalent of "stresses" in TM; and once one has
> released all one's "engrams," one is said to be "clear"--
> a state whose description sounds a lot like TM's of
> Cosmic Consciousness.
>
> There are a number of differences in how the techniques
> are performed, but one *crucial* difference is that in TM,
> one does not examine the stresses that are released;
> whereas with auditing (which is conducted by an auditor),
> the engrams must be thoroughly analyzed to be released.
>
> > Perhaps the speaker is saying we're already able to compare
> > for ourselves Scientology's methods and the TMO's technique
> > and Hubbard's are of no interest to us. Odd way of implying
> > that sense!
>
> FWIW, that's what I took this sentence to mean when I first
> read it. Any TMer would quickly recognize the similarity
> with auditing, I should think, but would also reject the
> notion that the engrams/stresses must be examined and
> analyzed.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> > > 
> > > > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> > > 
> > > > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> > > 
> > > Probably not much.
> > 
> > Right you are.
> > 
> > But then, she wasn't asking you.
> 
> Opsie-Judy. She *was* asking you.
> 
> Not sure why, though.
>
Neither am I. The first round of answers I made she felt was totally off the 
mark. This one probably was too.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[Michael Jackson]

Well, I am hoping that Ravi was referring to the other Mike but maybe not. 

My mother's family has a very distinct dialect that comes from real shore nuff 
country folk. In fact a great writer Tony Earley who grew up with this same 
dialect in North Carolina wrote an essay published in the New Yorker or 
Smithsonian called "The Quare Gene"

The title refers to the word "quare" that was used a couple hundred years ago 
in England and in the mountains of Appalachia. It means strange, peculiar and 
it is still used in some circles today in the South and I assure you it is not 
a compliment. 

One of the other words Momma's people used is "karney," an old pronunciation of 
carrion, and it grew to mean not only road kill, but people,  places, things 
and even food that is so karney it reminds one of road kill, real ripe road 
kill at that. Pretty much everyone in my family agrees that my brother is the 
karniest of all of us three kids and my sister is the quarest. I am, of course, 
very normal.





 From: seventhray27 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:17 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian 
English grammar?
 


  
Those are great.  I love Appalachian grammar.

A few things I hear in my line of business.

When referring to anything pertaining to brick, it is always "masonary" instead 
of "masonry".  I would win if I bet that the term was used correctly only 10% 
of the time.

Then there is the word "zinc" for "sink".  Not used incorrectly quite as often, 
but still frequently.

Then there is Harley "Davison" for Harley "Davidson"

Now, I like to say for fun, (and because my wife has a Master's degree in 
French and has flawless grammar), that I am going to Walmart's, or Target's or 
something like that.

BTW Michael,  I always enjoy the stories about your family, including your 
childhood.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Something to get you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your
> Appalachian cattle a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer trash
> roots.
> 
> http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialects-063000829.html
> 
> Good luck man - I love you.
>

 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[Ravi Chivukula]

This is for Mikey Dixie boy, Dixon not Jackson.


On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:17 PM, seventhray27 wrote:

> **
>
>
> Those are great.  I love Appalachian grammar.
>
> A few things I hear in my line of business.
>
> When referring to anything pertaining to brick, it is always "masonary"
> instead of "masonry".  I would win if I bet that the term was used
> correctly only 10% of the time.
>
> Then there is the word "zinc" for "sink".  Not used incorrectly quite as
> often, but still frequently.
>
> Then there is Harley "Davison" for Harley "Davidson"
>
> Now, I like to say for fun, (and because my wife has a Master's degree in
> French and has flawless grammar), that I am going to Walmart's, or Target's
> or something like that.
>
> BTW Michael,  I always enjoy the stories about your family, including your
> childhood.
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula wrote:
> >
> > Something to get you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your
> > Appalachian cattle a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer trash
> > roots.
> >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialects-063000829.html
> >
> > Good luck man - I love you.
> >
>
>  
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Seraphita"  wrote:
>
> Re the quote below I copied from another website, two things
> puzzle me: "[Maharishi]didn't have much to say about the
> Scientology techniques because the comparison was obvious to
> us.": is the speaker implying that Scientotlogy techniques are
> similar to TM? Complete nonsense surely?

Don't think so. I'm no expert; what follows is just what
I've picked up from reading here and there, and I could
be way off.

It seems to me there's an obvious similarity between
Scientology's "auditing" and what is said to occur in
TM. Auditing releases "engrams," which are the close
equivalent of "stresses" in TM; and once one has
released all one's "engrams," one is said to be "clear"--
a state whose description sounds a lot like TM's of
Cosmic Consciousness.

There are a number of differences in how the techniques
are performed, but one *crucial* difference is that in TM,
one does not examine the stresses that are released; 
whereas with auditing (which is conducted by an auditor),
the engrams must be thoroughly analyzed to be released. 

> Perhaps the speaker is saying we're already able to compare
> for ourselves Scientology's methods and the TMO's technique
> and Hubbard's are of no interest to us. Odd way of implying
> that sense!

FWIW, that's what I took this sentence to mean when I first
read it. Any TMer would quickly recognize the similarity
with auditing, I should think, but would also reject the
notion that the engrams/stresses must be examined and
analyzed.

[FairfieldLife] Re: For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[seventhray27]

Those are great.  I love Appalachian grammar.
A few things I hear in my line of business.
When referring to anything pertaining to brick, it is always "masonary"
instead of "masonry".  I would win if I bet that the term was used
correctly only 10% of the time.
Then there is the word "zinc" for "sink".  Not used incorrectly quite as
often, but still frequently.
Then there is Harley "Davison" for Harley "Davidson"
Now, I like to say for fun, (and because my wife has a Master's degree
in French and has flawless grammar), that I am going to Walmart's, or
Target's or something like that.
BTW Michael,  I always enjoy the stories about your family, including
your childhood.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
>
> Something to get you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your
> Appalachian cattle a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer
trash
> roots.
>
>
http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialect\
s-063000829.html
>
> Good luck man - I love you.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Seraphita]

Re the quote below I copied from another website, two things puzzle me:
"[Maharishi]didn't have much to say about the Scientology techniques
because the comparison was obvious to us.": is the speaker implying that
Scientotlogy techniques are similar to TM? Complete nonsense surely?
Perhaps the speaker is saying we're already able to compare for
ourselves Scientology's methods and the TMO's technique and Hubbard's
are of no interest to us. Odd way of implying that sense!
And, "Also acknowledged was the targeted marketing strategy that strove
to encompass a student's entire life, not be a minor adjunct to his
often counterproductive life-style.": well, yes, but we were always
taught that any productive changes in our lifestyles would follow
naturally and gradually from the practice of TM.
(Funnily enough, old George Harrison took up with the Hare Krishna crew
precisely because he felt out on a limb just TM-ing twice a day and was
looking for a more full-time practice and appreciated the group
singalongs.)

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> The comment is on a tape that was played on my TTC about "other
> techniques".  My impression was that Maharishi was impressed with
> Hubbard's money raising abilities.
>
> On 07/31/2013 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > But how could that be? TM leads to excellence in action!?!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >   From: Seraphita s3raphita@...
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:24 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems Maharishi's admiration was for the hard-working students
Hubbard attracted while the people flocking to TM were a lazy bunch! In
the early days here in the UK, Maharishi eventually asked for the help
of a Ouspensky group (The Study Society) to run the UK TM operation
after despairing of his own bliss-bunny followers. As the Ouspensky
people had their own forcibly-held opinions they eventually got on
Marshy's nerves and he gave them an ultimatum. It's either Ouspensky you
follow or me. The ones who stayed with the TMO became bigwigs in the UK
wing; those who opted for Ouspensky simply added their own teaching of
"TM" to their curriculum and founded the School of Economic Science - it
has survived accusations of abuse and still flourishes today.
> >
> > I copy the following from a web search :
> >
> > I remember seeing Maharishi talk about the Scientology movement in
response to a question about its validity and usefulness as compared to
TM. He didn't have much to say about the Scientology techniques because
the comparison was obvious to us. But He did wax on about how much He
admired Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard, and speculated on how
much greater progress His movement would have experienced up to that
time if Hubbard was in charge of the TM organization. What was so
brilliant about Hubbard's efforts, according to Maharishi, was the
strict discipline and loyalty that he instilled into his followers.
Maharishi said that He admired the strength of Scientology's
organization and its solidarity in the face of legal and social
challenges (prescient of TM's own legal problems, yet to manifest). Also
acknowledged was the targeted marketing strategy that strove to
encompass a student's entire life, not be a minor adjunct to his often
> >   counterproductive life-style. I think that Maharishi included some
mention of Scientology's focus on the wealthy and famous in order to
gain influential referral value.
> >   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
> >> It's worse, Maharishi admired L. Ron. Hubbard.
> >>
> >> Edg
> >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Oh Billy boy - what is a practicing Hindu? 
> > > 
> > > Anybody who practices TM! You just don't see yourself that
> > > way because you're only practicing PARTS of it, the ones
> > > MMY gave you, and left the rest to chance.
> > 
> > Actually he doesn't see himself that way because he's
> > never practiced TM.
> 
> Then for him I guess it's a non sequitur,

Seems to me he's questioning your idea of Hinduism. Why
don't you ask him?



 what he's doing on this forum is perhaps better known by you than I.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Oh Billy boy - what is a practicing Hindu? 
> > 
> > Anybody who practices TM! You just don't see yourself that
> > way because you're only practicing PARTS of it, the ones
> > MMY gave you, and left the rest to chance.
> 
> Actually he doesn't see himself that way because he's
> never practiced TM.

Then for him I guess it's a non sequitur, what he's doing on this forum is 
perhaps better known by you than I. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wgm4u  wrote:
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:
> 
> > Oh Billy boy - what is a practicing Hindu? 
> 
> Anybody who practices TM! You just don't see yourself that
> way because you're only practicing PARTS of it, the ones
> MMY gave you, and left the rest to chance.

Actually he doesn't see himself that way because he's
never practiced TM.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Monogamy May Have Evolved to Prevent Infanticide

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > 'Living in pairs, what researchers call social monogamy, 
> > has repeatedly evolved among animals, although in widely 
> > varying proportions among different groups. Thus, about 
> > 90% of bird species are socially monogamous, probably 
> > because incubating eggs and feeding hatchlings is a 
> > full-time job that requires both parents. But in mammals, 
> > females carry the babies inside their bodies and are 
> > solely responsible for providing milk to young infants—
> > and only about 5% of species are socially monogamous.'
> > 
> > 'Scientists have proposed three major hypotheses: Monogamy 
> > provides more effective parental care for infants, as in 
> > birds; it prevents females from mating with rival males, 
> > especially in species where females are widely spaced and 
> > cannot all be easily monopolized by one male; or it protects 
> > against the risk of infanticide, which is very high among 
> > some primate species, including chimpanzees and gorillas, 
> > and is often explained by the desire of a rival male to 
> > quickly return a mother to a fertile state so that he can 
> > sire his own offspring.'
> > 
> > http://tinyurl.com/oeqayn6
> > 
> > [ 
> > http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2013/07/monogamy-may-have-evolved-prevent-infanticide
> >  ]
> 
> Interesting. As you might have suspected :-), I might
> have a few things to say about this, having been a fly
> on the wall of a polyamorist family for some time now.

However, you ended up *not* saying anything about this.
It might help to read the article if you're not sure why.

I'll make a few comments on what you *did* say on its
own terms:

> I would propose a fourth theory. That is, that society's
> notion of "parental care" tends to revolve around ideas
> forced upon them by male-chauvinist-dominated and 
> authoritarian religions that dominated that society.

"Parental care" in this context simply means ensuring
the offspring's survival to adulthood. The research was
done on nonhuman mammals in an attempt to determine at
what point monogamy entered the evolutionary picture.
Turns out it was millions of years before there were any
"notions" about parental care (or "notions" about much
of anything at all, for that matter).

> The men in such religions tended to think of their women
> as property, and thus wanted that "property" all to them-
> selves.

Many such societies, however, practiced polygamy rather than
monogamy (and many still do). And even societies that don't
practice polygamy aren't fully monogamous. 

 The women, for their part, put up with the monogamy
> shit because if they just hung in there long enough, either
> the male-chauvinist guy would take care of them and their
> kids most of their lives, or they could soak him for a big 
> divorce settlement and have him take care of them for the 
> *rest* of their lives.  :-)
> 
> OK, it's more complicated than that, but not *much* more
> complicated than that. 
> 
> IN PRACTICE, something that as far as I know no one else
> on this forum can comment on, watching Maya grow up with
> three parents and one uncle seems to be an unmitigated
> success.

I suspect at least some of us grew up in extended families
in which grandparents, siblings, and other close relatives
shared in the childcare duties. Nuclear families are a
relatively recent development historically and are far from
universal.

Compared to a nuclear family, an extended family can provide
children with all the advantages that you cite of a 
polyamorous family.

> Unlike most kids her age, she's never shuttled
> off to people she doesn't know to watch her while her
> one or two full-time parents buzz off to Have A Life. 
> One or more of us is *always* available to her. 
> 
> *Four* incomes contribute to her well-being, not two, or
> one. *Four* people care about her, and the number gives
> her the opportunity to choose one or the other of us
> when she needs company, or comfort. No relying on Mom,
> or Dad, especially when they might have had a Bad Day,
> and aren't as child-available as usual. On any given
> day, one of us IS available, and willing. 
> 
> Maya has grown up in a household in which she has never
> seen a verbal argument in which anger, jealousy, or any
> of the afflictive emotions that most people consider
> "normal" has appeared. We all get along just *remarkably*
> well, so well it's nigh unto mind-boggling. 
> 
> I am, as mentioned before, a fly on the wall in all of
> this, not being involved either sexually or romantically
> with any of the three parents. But *they* don't do drama,
> either. That's why I can live with them. Admittedly, this 
> behavior on their part may be out of the ordinary, even 
> in the worlds of polyamory, but it's the truth. The
> *equanimity* of these three people amazes me on a 
> daily basis. 
> 
> To sum up, a couple

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula  wrote:

 
> Oh Billy boy - what is a practicing Hindu? 

Anybody who practices TM! You just don't see yourself that way because you're 
only practicing PARTS of it, the ones MMY gave you, and left the rest to chance.

You see, what you have is a steering wheel to a car, now admittedly that 
steering wheel is not A car, but it certainly is part of one isn't it?

Like that, to suggest that TM isn't a Religion is like saying a steering wheel 
isn't a Car which is kind of a silly statement isn't it?, ever heard of 
sophistry?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Buck

[Ravi Chivukula]

Buck is, what is known as in the spiritual industry as, the Spiritual Slut. I 
have myself in the past talked about Buck's Spiritual Slut Syndrome. He sleeps 
with any saint that visits his town he can't help it.


On Jul 31, 2013, at 11:33 AM, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
wrote:

> Buck wrote:
> 
> 'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of the 
> Mohicans, -Buck'
> 
> In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is 
> extinction. What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some kind 
> of probation? What would a parole violation be?
> 
> 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "martyboi"  wrote:
>
> If he had used the language of GD, there would have been no movement.
> 
> Translating GDs teachings for the west is what MMY was doing...He did a 
> fairly good job of it...but it could only go so far. The idea that all the 
> teachings could be explained in "the language of science" probably created 
> limitations that were too hard to accommodate because at a certain point one 
> must accept the woo woo parts on faith.

Agreed! You just hit on the reason you only see 6 chapters of MMY's Bhagavad 
Gita published, the rest is pure Religion.

Gita Chapter 16vs21: "The threefold Gate of Hell"

tri-vidham -- of three kinds; narakasya -- of hell; idam -- this; dvaram -- 
gate; nasanam -- destructive; atmanah -- of the self; kamah -- lust; krodhah -- 
anger; tatha -- as well as; lobhah -- greed; tasmat -- therefore; etat -- 
these; trayam -- three; tyajet -- one must give up.

TRANSLATION

There are three gates leading to this hell -- lust, anger and greed. Every sane 
man should give these up, for they lead to the degradation of the soul.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[wgm4u]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> Reading the words of Guru Dev pretty much instantly proves he was toeing the 
> old school Hindu line.
> 
> Not sure if we've deconstructed this concept here, yet, but, hey, suddenly 
> I'm pretty miffed that I was doing puja to a guy about whom Maharishi hid 
> pretty much everything.
> 
> How isn't that, like, THE BIGGEST SIN, right from the get-go?
> 
> So much for the Holy Tradition being upheld in its purity.  Pretty much ZERO 
> of Guru Dev's mind and values got "trickled down to us."
> 
> BAH FUCKING BAH!
> 
> Edg

Most people seem to ignore the fact that MMY was a practicing Hindu. I don't 
think he stopped practicing Hinduism when he started promoting TM.

After all, TM is just Hinduism taught as the Science of Creative Intelligence, 
IMHO. 

[FairfieldLife] For Mikey boy - do ya a-know your Appalachian English grammar?

[Ravi Chivukula]

Something to get you started on your spiritual sojourn back to your
Appalachian cattle a-mating, teeth a-rotting, incestuous, trailer trash
roots.

http://news.yahoo.com/grammar-rules-behind-3-commonly-disparaged-dialects-063000829.html

Good luck man - I love you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"  
> wrote:
> >
> > ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> > 
> > > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> > 
> > > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> > 
> > Probably not much.
> 
> Right you are.
> 
> But then, she wasn't asking you.

Opsie-Judy. She *was* asking you.

Not sure why, though.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):
> 
> > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.
> 
> > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?
> 
> Probably not much.

Right you are.

But then, she wasn't asking you.

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[John]

MJ,

Around the early 1980s, MMY was friendly with Ferdinand Marcos because he 
allowed the TMO to teach the TM program at the public universities in the 
Philippines.  However, the Catholic Church protested this move stating that 
this was against the constitutional law requiring the separation of church and 
state.  

Ever since then, the TMO has been basically operating underground in the 
Philippines.



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> guess he lowered his standards when he praised Robert Mugabe and Ferdinand 
> Marcos
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: Ann 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
>  
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > MJ
> > 
> > For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> > that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions 
> > of Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?
> 
> Excellent question, however millions "admired him" at one time or another and 
> some Neo-Nazis and sub-human low-lifes still do. Nevertheless, I am pretty 
> sure MMY was no fan. It just simply wouldn't compute. Nothing MMY professed 
> to stand for and promote in his life resembles anything Hitler 'accomplished' 
> in his.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked 
> > > about here before. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 
> > > 1970's who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape 
> > > and they watched from time to time since they had access to the entire 
> > > library Movement library.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Hitler and Hollywood

[Bhairitu]

In line with today's discussion of "marshy and hitler" here is a 
fascinating article about how Hollywood continued to do business in 
Germany after Hitler was in power and bowed to the Nazi censors. This is 
not unlike how Hollywood bows to China these days.  Be sure to scroll to 
the comments where many right wingers who probably could not define 
communism properly if their life depended on it spew their ignorance.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-hollywood-helped-hitler-595684

[FairfieldLife] Re: Is reactivity the most unevolved human characteristic?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

---awoelflebater wrote (July 27):

> Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me.

> *What can you say about the button pushers of the world?

Probably not much. Because the human nervous system responds to situations in a 
stimulus response pattern, basically all our activity revolves around button 
pushing. You are just codifying certain types of stimulus response that 
functions at a more mentally conceptual level and which you interpret as 
annoying.

> *What motivates them?

Don't know. Desire is pretty spontaneous, it wells up inside and then takes 
form. Motivation is a post hoc attempt to explain this particularly defined 
annoying behaviour. There could be many explanations. Perhaps a person wants 
attention; or just wants to see what happens; or maybe is unaware to a large 
extent of how what they do affects others.

> *What overriding character trait must a button pusher possess in order to 
> want to push people's buttons?

They must have a human nervous system, but 'character trait' is an attempt to 
create a definition for a certain kind of behaviour. In the US, Democrats push 
Republican buttons and vice versa. You could reverse the argument and ask what 
character trait does a button pushee have that allows them to get their buttons 
pushed? Among these would be a characteristic that one possess a system of 
belief that does not accurately represent reality. When a discrepancy in this 
conglomerate of beliefs is pointed out, the button gets pushed. There are also 
non-conceptual buttons, such as being tickled if you are ticklish. I think the 
main characteristic falls on we who get our buttons pushed. By blaming someone 
else, we don't have to clean our own house.

Button pushing does get out of hand in human civilisation. War is the best 
example. The divergence in conceptual thinking is so great, the only way to 
eliminate it is to remove one or both sides of the equation. Look at what 
happened recently in Egypt.

> *Does a button pusher ever admit to themselves that perhaps what they call 
> button pushing is merely an unsavoury character trait possessed by the button 
> pusher that others take a disliking to?

Maybe they do and maybe they do not. But by putting the onus on another person, 
you do not see that it takes two to tango.

> *Is this 'reaction' ever valid or warranted by the pushees? 

First of all it happens. What happens and how the pushee responds and 
evaluates, and how the pushee feels their response is warranted or valid 
depends on their internal world view. The button pusher probably does not share 
that world view, and in their mind, the stimulus is both warranted and valid.

> *And finally teacher, what does is say about a person who sits by and allows 
> others to throw shit around the room and not get up and at least leave or, 
> better still, confront the shit thrower?

Some of us are our brother's keeper, and some of us are not. It is a fluid 
social situation. This situation does not exist if the stimulus response is 
restricted to just the two - the button pusher, and the person with buttons. 
The people closest to you, like family, probably know more about how to push 
your buttons than anyone. When there is a group, battle lines may be drawn. It 
tends to happen here on FFL.

The tendency to defend another may be a function of how defenseless a button 
pushee is in relation to those who push. When I was in middle school, there was 
a retarded kid who would get flack from the bully types. I felt a tendency to 
get between them and at the very least not make fun of the kid, which is 
actually difficult at that age - peer pressure and all. I think the family of 
that boy wanted him to go to school in as normal an environment as possible, or 
perhaps could not afford a special school. It must have been some kind of 
special dispensation, because the boy could not perform at the grade level he 
had been placed in.

Even if we fail, the onus is on us to be a strong as possible in the face of 
adversity.

If worse comes to worse, you just have to kill the bastard(s) or die yourself. 
(Sometimes they are bitches.)

[FairfieldLife] Obama scuttles Alan Grayson's spy hearing

[Bhairitu]

Alan Grayson was scheduled to hold a hearing today on NSA spying at the 
House of Representatives and arranged for Glenn Greenwald to fly in and 
appear.  Completely unannounced and unscheduled Obama asked to meet with 
House Democrats today thus scuttling Grayson's hearing which has now 
been postponed to September.  Still think Obama is your friend?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Michael Jackson]

guess he lowered his standards when he praised Robert Mugabe and Ferdinand 
Marcos





 From: Ann 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
 


  


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> MJ
> 
> For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions of 
> Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?

Excellent question, however millions "admired him" at one time or another and 
some Neo-Nazis and sub-human low-lifes still do. Nevertheless, I am pretty sure 
MMY was no fan. It just simply wouldn't compute. Nothing MMY professed to stand 
for and promote in his life resembles anything Hitler 'accomplished' in his.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about 
> > here before. 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > 
> > 
> > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> > who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> > watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> > Movement library.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] All's One!

[card]

http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/ericharlandplayingaheadbehind.html

  [:D]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Monogamy May Have Evolved to Prevent Infanticide

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" 
 wrote:
>
> 'Living in pairs, what researchers call social monogamy, 
> has repeatedly evolved among animals, although in widely 
> varying proportions among different groups. Thus, about 
> 90% of bird species are socially monogamous, probably 
> because incubating eggs and feeding hatchlings is a 
> full-time job that requires both parents. But in mammals, 
> females carry the babies inside their bodies and are 
> solely responsible for providing milk to young infants—
> and only about 5% of species are socially monogamous.'
> 
> 'Scientists have proposed three major hypotheses: Monogamy 
> provides more effective parental care for infants, as in 
> birds; it prevents females from mating with rival males, 
> especially in species where females are widely spaced and 
> cannot all be easily monopolized by one male; or it protects 
> against the risk of infanticide, which is very high among 
> some primate species, including chimpanzees and gorillas, 
> and is often explained by the desire of a rival male to 
> quickly return a mother to a fertile state so that he can 
> sire his own offspring.'
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/oeqayn6
> 
> [ 
> http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2013/07/monogamy-may-have-evolved-prevent-infanticide
>  ]

Interesting. As you might have suspected :-), I might
have a few things to say about this, having been a fly
on the wall of a polyamorist family for some time now.

I would propose a fourth theory. That is, that society's
notion of "parental care" tends to revolve around ideas
forced upon them by male-chauvinist-dominated and 
authoritarian religions that dominated that society.

The men in such religions tended to think of their women
as property, and thus wanted that "property" all to them-
selves. The women, for their part, put up with the monogamy
shit because if they just hung in there long enough, either
the male-chauvinist guy would take care of them and their
kids most of their lives, or they could soak him for a big 
divorce settlement and have him take care of them for the 
*rest* of their lives.  :-)

OK, it's more complicated than that, but not *much* more
complicated than that. 

IN PRACTICE, something that as far as I know no one else
on this forum can comment on, watching Maya grow up with
three parents and one uncle seems to be an unmitigated
success. Unlike most kids her age, she's never shuttled
off to people she doesn't know to watch her while her
one or two full-time parents buzz off to Have A Life. 
One or more of us is *always* available to her. 

*Four* incomes contribute to her well-being, not two, or
one. *Four* people care about her, and the number gives
her the opportunity to choose one or the other of us
when she needs company, or comfort. No relying on Mom,
or Dad, especially when they might have had a Bad Day,
and aren't as child-available as usual. On any given
day, one of us IS available, and willing. 

Maya has grown up in a household in which she has never
seen a verbal argument in which anger, jealousy, or any
of the afflictive emotions that most people consider
"normal" has appeared. We all get along just *remarkably*
well, so well it's nigh unto mind-boggling. 

I am, as mentioned before, a fly on the wall in all of
this, not being involved either sexually or romantically
with any of the three parents. But *they* don't do drama,
either. That's why I can live with them. Admittedly, this 
behavior on their part may be out of the ordinary, even 
in the worlds of polyamory, but it's the truth. The
*equanimity* of these three people amazes me on a 
daily basis. 

To sum up, a couple of platitudes that may be more than
that:

"Don't knock it if you haven't tried it."

and

"It takes a village to raise a child."

[FairfieldLife] Buck

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Buck wrote:

'Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL like the Last of the Mohicans,  
-Buck'

In evolutionary terms, the last of anything means the next step is extinction. 
What is this you wrote about an exemption? Are you on some kind of probation? 
What would a parole violation be?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Bhairitu]

The comment is on a tape that was played on my TTC about "other 
techniques".  My impression was that Maharishi was impressed with 
Hubbard's money raising abilities.

On 07/31/2013 10:43 AM, Michael Jackson wrote:
> But how could that be? TM leads to excellence in action!?!
>
>
>
>
> 
>   From: Seraphita 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:24 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard
>   
>
>
>
> It seems Maharishi's admiration was for the hard-working students Hubbard 
> attracted while the people flocking to TM were a lazy bunch! In the early 
> days here in the UK, Maharishi eventually asked for the help of a Ouspensky 
> group (The Study Society) to run the UK TM operation after despairing of his 
> own bliss-bunny followers. As the Ouspensky people had their own 
> forcibly-held opinions they eventually got on Marshy's nerves and he gave 
> them an ultimatum. It's either Ouspensky you follow or me. The ones who 
> stayed with the TMO became bigwigs in the UK wing; those who opted for 
> Ouspensky simply added their own teaching of "TM" to their curriculum and 
> founded the School of Economic Science - it has survived accusations of abuse 
> and still flourishes today.
>
> I copy the following from a web search :
>   
> I remember seeing Maharishi talk about the Scientology movement in response 
> to a question about its validity and usefulness as compared to TM. He didn't 
> have much to say about the Scientology techniques because the comparison was 
> obvious to us. But He did wax on about how much He admired Scientology's 
> founder, L. Ron Hubbard, and speculated on how much greater progress His 
> movement would have experienced up to that time if Hubbard was in charge of 
> the TM organization. What was so brilliant about Hubbard's efforts, according 
> to Maharishi, was the strict discipline and loyalty that he instilled into 
> his followers. Maharishi said that He admired the strength of Scientology's 
> organization and its solidarity in the face of legal and social challenges 
> (prescient of TM's own legal problems, yet to manifest). Also acknowledged 
> was the targeted marketing strategy that strove to encompass a student's 
> entire life, not be a minor adjunct to his often
>   counterproductive life-style. I think that Maharishi included some mention 
> of Scientology's focus on the wealthy and famous in order to gain influential 
> referral value.
>   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>> It's worse, Maharishi admired L. Ron. Hubbard.
>>
>> Edg
>
>   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most jazz drummers can't play rock'n roll?

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> Okay, I'm not going to bother looking up every name I post.  
> People know who I mean.

Bad bhairitu. Judy will spank.

:-)

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Most jazz drummers can't play rock'n roll?

[Bhairitu]

On 07/31/2013 10:57 AM, PaliGap wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>> On 07/31/2013 04:09 AM, card wrote:
>>> Sometime in the 20th century, Joe Morello
>>> started his drum clinic here in my home town
>>> by playing "some rock'n roll".
>>>
>>> Of course, technically that was nothing short
>>> of perfect, but I'm sad to say, IMO there was
>>> almost no rock'n roll at all in it... :/
>>>
>>> http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/joemorellokiller.html
>>>
>>>
>> Those are just basic stick control exercises.  I'm sure Morello could
>> have played rock if needed too.  I used to piss off the local rock bands
>> I played in because I played double time jazz swing instead of eighth
>> notes on the ride cymbal.  A few years later Mitch Michell was doing
>> that with Jimmy Hendrix. ;-)
> And Jimi too?

Okay, I'm not going to bother looking up every name I post.  People know 
who I mean.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Bhairitu]

On 07/31/2013 10:57 AM, martyboi wrote:
> 40 years ago I read a document in the TM center about "The Absolute Theory of 
> Greatness." In this document various people from history were mentioned. The 
> premise, as I recall (and I could have this all wrong, due to time) was that 
> from the perspective of the absolute, a person's impact on the world 
> (Greatness) is based on how many people his life affects. Both Hitler and 
> Alexander the great were mentioned. Nature allows a truly great person to 
> live a very long time (108 years?)
>
> I believe Veda Vyasa was mentioned as the greatest.
>
> I could have this all wrong.
>
>

Yes, I seem to recall seeing such a document myself.  In fact it was a 
subject of discussion at a teachers meeting with Charlie Lutes who was 
in town.  I seem to recall that Charlie said Maharishi was told to back 
off on that because it would alienate a lot of Jewish supporters.

[FairfieldLife] Monogamy May Have Evolved to Prevent Infanticide

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

'Living in pairs, what researchers call social monogamy, has repeatedly evolved 
among animals, although in widely varying proportions among different groups. 
Thus, about 90% of bird species are socially monogamous, probably because 
incubating eggs and feeding hatchlings is a full-time job that requires both 
parents. But in mammals, females carry the babies inside their bodies and are 
solely responsible for providing milk to young infants—and only about 5% of 
species are socially monogamous.'

'Scientists have proposed three major hypotheses: Monogamy provides more 
effective parental care for infants, as in birds; it prevents females from 
mating with rival males, especially in species where females are widely spaced 
and cannot all be easily monopolized by one male; or it protects against the 
risk of infanticide, which is very high among some primate species, including 
chimpanzees and gorillas, and is often explained by the desire of a rival male 
to quickly return a mother to a fertile state so that he can sire his own 
offspring.'

http://tinyurl.com/oeqayn6

[ 
http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2013/07/monogamy-may-have-evolved-prevent-infanticide
 ]

[FairfieldLife] Re: Did Maharishi screw us out of knowing Guru Dev?

[martyboi]

I wasn't defending anything. Just saying what I thought he was doing and why he 
did it. Sorry you are so angry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[martyboi]

40 years ago I read a document in the TM center about "The Absolute Theory of 
Greatness." In this document various people from history were mentioned. The 
premise, as I recall (and I could have this all wrong, due to time) was that 
from the perspective of the absolute, a person's impact on the world 
(Greatness) is based on how many people his life affects. Both Hitler and 
Alexander the great were mentioned. Nature allows a truly great person to live 
a very long time (108 years?)

I believe Veda Vyasa was mentioned as the greatest.

I could have this all wrong.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Most jazz drummers can't play rock'n roll?

[PaliGap]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
>
> On 07/31/2013 04:09 AM, card wrote:
> > Sometime in the 20th century, Joe Morello
> > started his drum clinic here in my home town
> > by playing "some rock'n roll".
> >
> > Of course, technically that was nothing short
> > of perfect, but I'm sad to say, IMO there was
> > almost no rock'n roll at all in it... :/
> >
> > http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/joemorellokiller.html
> >
> >
> 
> Those are just basic stick control exercises.  I'm sure Morello could 
> have played rock if needed too.  I used to piss off the local rock bands 
> I played in because I played double time jazz swing instead of eighth 
> notes on the ride cymbal.  A few years later Mitch Michell was doing 
> that with Jimmy Hendrix. ;-)

And Jimi too?

[FairfieldLife] Danny Walker Jr & Jim Carrey make faces together in Fairfield

[Rick Archer]

http://www.iowasource.com/fairfield/2013_08_danny.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Michael Jackson]

But how could that be? TM leads to excellence in action!?!





 From: Seraphita 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard
 


  
It seems Maharishi's admiration was for the hard-working students Hubbard 
attracted while the people flocking to TM were a lazy bunch! In the early days 
here in the UK, Maharishi eventually asked for the help of a Ouspensky group 
(The Study Society) to run the UK TM operation after despairing of his own 
bliss-bunny followers. As the Ouspensky people had their own forcibly-held 
opinions they eventually got on Marshy's nerves and he gave them an ultimatum. 
It's either Ouspensky you follow or me. The ones who stayed with the TMO became 
bigwigs in the UK wing; those who opted for Ouspensky simply added their own 
teaching of "TM" to their curriculum and founded the School of Economic Science 
- it has survived accusations of abuse and still flourishes today. 

I copy the following from a web search :
 
I remember seeing Maharishi talk about the Scientology movement in response to 
a question about its validity and usefulness as compared to TM. He didn't have 
much to say about the Scientology techniques because the comparison was obvious 
to us. But He did wax on about how much He admired Scientology's founder, L. 
Ron Hubbard, and speculated on how much greater progress His movement would 
have experienced up to that time if Hubbard was in charge of the TM 
organization. What was so brilliant about Hubbard's efforts, according to 
Maharishi, was the strict discipline and loyalty that he instilled into his 
followers. Maharishi said that He admired the strength of Scientology's 
organization and its solidarity in the face of legal and social challenges 
(prescient of TM's own legal problems, yet to manifest). Also acknowledged was 
the targeted marketing strategy that strove to encompass a student's entire 
life, not be a minor adjunct to his often
 counterproductive life-style. I think that Maharishi included some mention of 
Scientology's focus on the wealthy and famous in order to gain influential 
referral value.
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> It's worse, Maharishi admired L. Ron. Hubbard.
> 
> Edg


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[obbajeeba]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
> >
> > turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
> > MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather 
> > Development of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. 
> > And this credit is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as 
> > by graduate programs at universities all over the US and even as far away 
> > as China. In fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young 
> > Chinese women in the Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the 
> > Chinese in general to be very smart and very practical.
> > 
> > With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we 
> > don't find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. 
> > Meaning that in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and 
> > Protestants and Hindus. Don't know about
> >  Muslims.
> > 
> > As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who 
> > actually do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are 
> > those who simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is 
> > what I call on the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm 
> > sure such variance can be found in the rest of the Dome.
> > 
> > And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it 
> > is, then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear 
> > jogging outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular 
> > casual clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women 
> > in the evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.
> 
> Interesting that in all of your examples of individuality that you illustrate 
> above you lump the entire Chinese population into one generalization.
> > 
> > 

Not hard when we have an anthem like this!  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH2P_pVze6s  :)

> > 
> > 
> >  From: turquoiseb 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> > 
> > Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> > want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> > (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> > FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> > as opposed to the "wish to find out."
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Share Long]

John I agree and I wish I remembered more of what Maharishi said. I'm sure he 
was not thinking of the atrocities when he made that comment. And he did teach 
that we all have the potential for greatness in life. 

I also think that many shared in the evil that was happening at that time, 
including allegedly good people who stayed silent; supposedly family men who 
were soldiers at the camps. Certainly the whole world partook of the karma of 
the times.





 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:28 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
 


  
Share,

By definition, a great man cannot be one who murders millions of innocent 
people.  IMO, Hitler was a con artist who mesmerized the German people at the 
time of their destiny in the world.  As such, the karmic motion was set to 
start WWII and the Holocaust.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> John, plus if Maharishi only praised Hitler, I'm sure the devout Jews in the 
> TMO, some from Israel, wouldn't also be devoted TMers, even devoted recert 
> govs! Anyway, I heard a tape on which Maharishi said and I'm paraphrasing, 
> that Hitler must have been a great man because he was able to bring his 
> country back from the devastation of WW1.



 

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Alex Stanley]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba  wrote:
>
> Shucks if I know. I find this quite humorous though!  http://vimeo.com/4201441

That's such a classic. I love the lady who screams out that it's "ganz 
schlechtes Theater!" More like wunderschmecklich Theatre!

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and Hubbard

[Seraphita]

It seems Maharishi's admiration was for the hard-working students
Hubbard attracted while the people flocking to TM were a lazy bunch! In
the early days here in the UK, Maharishi eventually asked for the help
of a Ouspensky group (The Study Society) to run the UK TM operation
after despairing of his own bliss-bunny followers. As the Ouspensky
people had their own forcibly-held opinions they eventually got on
Marshy's nerves and he gave them an ultimatum. It's either Ouspensky you
follow or me. The ones who stayed with the TMO became bigwigs in the UK
wing; those who opted for Ouspensky simply added their own teaching of
"TM" to their curriculum and founded the School of Economic Science - it
has survived accusations of abuse and still flourishes today.




I copy the following from a web search :



I remember seeing Maharishi talk about the Scientology movement in
response to a question about its validity and usefulness as compared to
TM. He didn't have much to say about the Scientology techniques because
the comparison was obvious to us. But He did wax on about how much He
admired Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard, and speculated on how
much greater progress His movement would have experienced up to that
time if Hubbard was in charge of the TM organization. What was so
brilliant about Hubbard's efforts, according to Maharishi, was the
strict discipline and loyalty that he instilled into his followers.
Maharishi said that He admired the strength of Scientology's
organization and its solidarity in the face of legal and social
challenges (prescient of TM's own legal problems, yet to manifest). Also
acknowledged was the targeted marketing strategy that strove to
encompass a student's entire life, not be a minor adjunct to his often
counterproductive life-style. I think that Maharishi included some
mention of Scientology's focus on the wealthy and famous in order to
gain influential referral value.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung  wrote:
>
> It's worse, Maharishi admired L. Ron. Hubbard.
>
> Edg

[FairfieldLife] Incredibly romantic graphical courtship

[turquoiseb]

If this isn't the sweetest, most romantic, and most 
creative courtship ever, I don't know what is...

http://www.messynessychic.com/2013/07/31/this-is-what-two-graphic-designers-dating-each-other-looks-like/

[FairfieldLife] Re: Vaccine Success Story

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius]

Possible Side-effects from Vaccines

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

'Any vaccine can cause side effects. For the most part these are minor (for 
example, a sore arm or low-grade fever) and go away within a few days. Listed 
below are vaccines licensed in the United States and side effects that have 
been associated with each of them. This information is copied directly from 
CDC's Vaccine Information Statements, which in turn are derived from the 
Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommendations for each 
vaccine.'

'Remember, vaccines are continually monitored for safety, and like any 
medication, vaccines can cause side effects. However, a decision not to 
immunize a child also involves risk and could put the child and others who come 
into contact with him or her at risk of contracting a potentially deadly 
disease.'

EXAMPLE:
Yellow Fever vaccine side-effects 
 What are the risks from Yellow Fever vaccine?

 A vaccine, like any medicine, could cause a serious reaction. But the risk of 
a vaccine causing serious harm, or death, is extremely low.

Mild Problems:

Yellow fever vaccine has been associated with fever, and with aches, soreness, 
redness or swelling where the shot was given. 

These problems occur in up to 1 person out of 4. They usually begin soon after 
the shot, and can last up to a week. 

Severe Problems:

Severe allergic reaction to a vaccine component (about 1 person in 55,000).
 *Severe nervous system reaction (about 1 person in 125,000).
 *Life-threatening severe illness with organ failure (about 1 person in 
250,000). More than half the people who suffer this side effect die.

 These last two problems have never been reported after a booster dose.

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[obbajeeba]

Shucks if I know. I find this quite humorous though!  http://vimeo.com/4201441

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing from 
> someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about here 
> before. 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> 
> 
> I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> Movement library.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!

[John]

Barry,

The People's Republic of China was born on October 1, 1949 at 15:00 hrs, at 
Tiananmen Square, Beijing, China.  I have the feeling they consulted an 
astrologer to start the proceedings since the time was rather late as compared 
to the independence inaugurations of other countries.  At this selected time, 
Venus was powerfully placed in the 10th house of career and karma.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > Barry,
> > 
> > This trend in China is confirming its jyotish natal 
> > chart, which has Venus in the 10th house. This means 
> > that it may accomplish more in the field of arts and 
> > creativity rather a military one.  
> 
> Congratulations. You pushed my incredulity button
> sufficiently that I have to ask, "How does one determine
> a 'birth date' for China?" 
> 
> We shall wait with 'bated breath and stifled laughter...
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Richard J. Williams]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> reckon these are some of the Asian gals who were trading sex for grades and 
> money with the professor who was just fired for same, according to the posts 
> on MUM Secrets?
> 
This is the point in the discussion that the informants 
fink on the Asian gals. Next you'll be outing all the 
gays and lesbians. Go figure. 
 
  
> turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
> MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
> of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
> is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
> programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
> fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
> Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to 
> be very smart and very practical.
> 
> With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
> find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning 
> that in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants 
> and Hindus.
>  Don't know about
>  Muslims.
> 
> As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who 
> actually do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are 
> those who simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what 
> I call on the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure 
> such variance can be found in the rest of the Dome.
> 
> And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
> then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
> outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
> clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
> evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> 
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy

[Richard J. Williams]

mjackson74:
> He did NOT teach in the tradition of Shankara 
>
Which one? 

> - if he had honored that tradition, he would 
> have set up a tobacco shop in Delhi, since he 
> was not a Brahmin and therefore NOT entitled to 
> teach under the traditional set-up. 
> 
In the traditional set-up 'Brahmins' apparently 
don't do the work of merchants in India. 

So, MMY, according to Hindu social conventions 
should probably have set up shop as a yoga scribe. 

Nobody ever said MMY didn't know how to set-up a 
yoga camp. LoL!
 

> Dear FFL, these guys are being disrespectful again of one of the great 
> revolutionaries and millenarians of all our lifetimes.  Disrespectful and in 
> deed not helpful.  This is a teacher who came out and changed the world 
> informing every spiritual tradition and every spiritual movement with what he 
> had to teach.  They are throwing the body under the bus along with the dirty 
> wash water.  Each of our lives would all be spiritually deprived except for 
> his coming out to the West.  Yes he was in a human body but he was supremely 
> revolutionary.  Like just for instance think of revolution as his coming out 
> and teaching women, even making women teachers of this.  The man did a huge 
> service to the world in taking it on teaching entirely within the tradition 
> of Shankara.
> -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > mjackson74:
> > > when the old bastard was young, glib a natural liar
> > >
> > Yeah, Mr. Varma can't hold a candle to all your
> > accomplishments, Mr. Jackson. LoL!
> >
> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0
> > >
> >
> 
> Yeah but M was one of the most influential millenarian revolutionaries of the
> 20th Century. Start of the 21st Century too. -Buck
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Wrong, he achieved way more than me. Lied to millions of people, got away 
> > with sexual manipulation, was the most successful con artist of the 20th 
> > Century, made up all kinds of ridiculous bullshit and got lots of people to 
> > not only believe it, but pay him money for the privilege of believing it. 
> > No, he accomplished much more than me. 
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[John]

Share,

By definition, a great man cannot be one who murders millions of innocent 
people.  IMO, Hitler was a con artist who mesmerized the German people at the 
time of their destiny in the world.  As such, the karmic motion was set to 
start WWII and the Holocaust.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> John, plus if Maharishi only praised Hitler, I'm sure the devout Jews in the 
> TMO, some from Israel, wouldn't also be devoted TMers, even devoted recert 
> govs! Anyway, I heard a tape on which Maharishi said and I'm paraphrasing, 
> that Hitler must have been a great man because he was able to bring his 
> country back from the devastation of WW1.
> 
> 
> PS to Ann about my post mentioning the Chinese: most of my experience with 
> Chinese people has been in a university setting working with Computer Science 
> students. So it makes sense that they would be very smart. But I have also 
> found the Chinese, IN GENERAL, to be very practical and also very 
> independent. I have a long term friend who is Chinese from Malaysia and she 
> also has these qualities. And I'm sure there are Chinese without these 
> qualities. 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:35 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
>  
> 
> 
>   
> MJ,
> 
> If this rumor were true, the Jewish Defense League would have told the press 
> about MMY's fascination.  For example, this group and some Jewish leaders 
> have complained to the press for years that Pope Pius XII did not do anything 
> to stop the Holocaust during WWII.  This was done recently since the Catholic 
> Church was thinking of canonizing the same pope as saint.  With such negative 
> press, the Church may delay the canonization process for at least another 
> generation.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Dunno, as I said my friend who is still a twice a day TM'er asked me and I 
> > told him all I knew which was very little, just that one guy who said he 
> > had seen an old black and white tape where M made such remarks, apparently 
> > at least praising Hitler for his ability to get things done and organize 
> > things.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: John 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:04 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > MJ
> > 
> > For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> > that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions 
> > of Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked 
> > > about here before. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 
> > > 1970's who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape 
> > > and they watched from time to time since they had access to the entire 
> > > library Movement library.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!

[turquoiseb]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> Barry,
> 
> This trend in China is confirming its jyotish natal 
> chart, which has Venus in the 10th house. This means 
> that it may accomplish more in the field of arts and 
> creativity rather a military one.  

Congratulations. You pushed my incredulity button
sufficiently that I have to ask, "How does one determine
a 'birth date' for China?" 

We shall wait with 'bated breath and stifled laughter...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Warning: Turq and others may be faking their travel photos!

[John]

Barry,

This trend in China is confirming its jyotish natal chart, which has Venus in 
the 10th house.  This means that it may accomplish more in the field of arts 
and creativity rather a military one.  Who knows what a real estate developer 
will do over there?  We might even see an imitation of San Francisco, CA over 
there in the near future.

In the field of classical music, we're seeing many artists who were born in 
mainland China and are popular for their talent, such as Yundi Li and Lang 
Lang.  However, Yo Yo Ma is excluded from this group since he is an American.




--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> All of those Parisian cafes might just be in Tianducheng,
> China, and not Paris:
> 
> http://www.messynessychic.com/2012/11/20/made-in-china-european-clone-towns/
> 
> Any photos purportedly depicting London should be similarly
> regarded with suspicion, as they may be Chinese knock-offs,
> not the originals.  :-)
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Most jazz drummers can't play rock'n roll?

[Bhairitu]

On 07/31/2013 04:09 AM, card wrote:
> Sometime in the 20th century, Joe Morello
> started his drum clinic here in my home town
> by playing "some rock'n roll".
>
> Of course, technically that was nothing short
> of perfect, but I'm sad to say, IMO there was
> almost no rock'n roll at all in it... :/
>
> http://www.drummerworld.com/Videos/joemorellokiller.html
>
>

Those are just basic stick control exercises.  I'm sure Morello could 
have played rock if needed too.  I used to piss off the local rock bands 
I played in because I played double time jazz swing instead of eighth 
notes on the ride cymbal.  A few years later Mitch Michell was doing 
that with Jimmy Hendrix. ;-)

[FairfieldLife] MOO MAKING (was Re: marshy)

[Richard J. Williams]

> > (snip)
> > > I don't vaccinate for Swine flu or flu in general
> > 
> > Oy. Ann, please have a look at this:
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
> > 
> > Even if you aren't concerned about getting the flu yourself,
> > you should have the flu shot every year to protect the folks
> > who might otherwise get it from you (and who might then give
> > it to others).
> > 
> > Herd immunity is such an important concept when it comes to
> > vaccines. You aren't just protecting yourself when you get
> > vaccinated.
> >
turquoise:
> I just *knew* there had to be a reason that
> the TBs got so excited about a talk from Guru
> Dev about cows. At least one of them believes
> that she's part of a "herd."
> 
> How embarrassing. This could be an udder PR
> disaster.  :-)
>
So, which causes more greenhouse gas emissions, driving 
cars or rearing a herd of livestock?

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[John]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
> >
> > MJ
> > 
> > For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> > that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions 
> > of Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?
> 
> Excellent question, however millions "admired him" at one time or another and 
> some Neo-Nazis and sub-human low-lifes still do. Nevertheless, I am pretty 
> sure MMY was no fan. It just simply wouldn't compute. Nothing MMY professed 
> to stand for and promote in his life resembles anything Hitler 'accomplished' 
> in his.

Ann,

You hit the nail on the head.  People of the world should be on guard for such 
leaders in the guise of Pol Pot, Idi Amin and perhaps Kim Jong Un.  We should 
also be wary of fanatical religious beliefs which cause much death and 
bloodshed in the guise of doing the Will of God.








> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked 
> > > about here before. 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 
> > > 1970's who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape 
> > > and they watched from time to time since they had access to the entire 
> > > library Movement library.
> > >
> >
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy

[Richard J. Williams]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> That's the tip of the iceberg - our Old Man was 
> extremely derisive of me meditating
>
So, what did the Old Man say when you got kicked out 
of the TMO? Go figure.

You've got to admit, this is either funny or tragic, 
but hardly any different than many other teenager's 
experiences. You could have ended up like Ned Wynn, 
growing up crazy in Hollywood, or like Barry, going
bat-shit crazy over in France. LoL!


> (I started when I was 17) - he never forgot that I had 
> to take flowers, fruit and a white handkerchief to learn 
> TM. 
> 
> After he saw me doing asanas (after my first residence course, which I loved) 
> he referred to meditation as "rolling around on the floor, hanging onto a 
> white handkerchief and dribbling and drooling on yourself." That was a 
> reference to seeing me "meditating" when I would fall asleep and drool on 
> myself. 
> 
> Much to my brother's delight, Daddy would often, when told by me that I was 
> going to go meditate, do a little dance and sing "meditate, masturbate, 
> fornicate, menstruate and see which one you get the most out of!" I heard 
> this for years from my brother and sister even after the Old Man was dead. 
> Good times. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: obbajeeba 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 2:57 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy
>  
> 
> 
>   
> See!  A good response because I was nice to him. He even mentioned good times 
> about the time he practiced TM. 
> If you all want MJ to not be so painstakingly negative, treat him nice. 
> Telling him he is not educated or is screwed up and all the other names, is 
> what he is proving how well TM does not work on some of ya'll. If a tater has 
> to start the blame words, how well is your program doing ya?
> Funny story about your brother and you, Mikey. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha! You should meet my brother, he is the master of cussing, but 
> > he never did TM. In fact he used to throw rocks at the window I would 
> > meditate next to when I first started TM to distract me, either that or 
> > stir our dogs into a frenzy and put them in my room and shut the door. Good 
> > times.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  From: obbajeeba 
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 12:35 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > I like to read MJ's rants. Even if some say he lacks sound judgement, that 
> > is a symptom of the feelings he is going through. He appears to feel 
> > wronged by the movement, wronged by maharishi, and quite frankly, MJ has 
> > helped me see and feel some of my own disputes within. I know the 
> > difference between flame and substance. 
> > It is important and I hope no one bans MJ just because he spews vile at 
> > something he feels mislead by.
> > MJ's actions are very spiritual. Cursing brings one to find the essence of 
> > knowing at some point, dammit! 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
> > >
> > > authfriend is right, MJ. You are so twisted up by anger and bitterness 
> > > that you cannot think straight. Your opinions are worthless--just an 
> > > outpouring of bile that you choose to spew all over us. You lack sound 
> > > judgement. You are unable to evaluate anything fairly. 
> > > 
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  
> > > > wrote:
> > > > (snip)
> > > > > He left a carpet of broken lives. This is my opinion. I know
> > > > > others, including the creator of FFL feel differently and if
> > > > > Alex and Rick want to ban me for expressing what I believe
> > > > > (which ain't much of a stretch given his behavior) then so be it.
> > > > 
> > > > As much of an asshole as you're showing yourself to be,
> > > > nobody's about to "ban" you from FFL for expressing your
> > > > views on Maharishi and the TMO.
> > > > 
> > > > That you would consider being banned for doing so even a
> > > > faint possibility is a very clear demonstration of your
> > > > inability to think rationally about anything TM-related.
> > > > (Or anything else, for that matter, given your recent
> > > > idiotically paranoid tirade against vaccines.)
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Share Long]

John, plus if Maharishi only praised Hitler, I'm sure the devout Jews in the 
TMO, some from Israel, wouldn't also be devoted TMers, even devoted recert 
govs! Anyway, I heard a tape on which Maharishi said and I'm paraphrasing, that 
Hitler must have been a great man because he was able to bring his country back 
from the devastation of WW1.


PS to Ann about my post mentioning the Chinese: most of my experience with 
Chinese people has been in a university setting working with Computer Science 
students. So it makes sense that they would be very smart. But I have also 
found the Chinese, IN GENERAL, to be very practical and also very independent. 
I have a long term friend who is Chinese from Malaysia and she also has these 
qualities. And I'm sure there are Chinese without these qualities. 



 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:35 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
 


  
MJ,

If this rumor were true, the Jewish Defense League would have told the press 
about MMY's fascination.  For example, this group and some Jewish leaders have 
complained to the press for years that Pope Pius XII did not do anything to 
stop the Holocaust during WWII.  This was done recently since the Catholic 
Church was thinking of canonizing the same pope as saint.  With such negative 
press, the Church may delay the canonization process for at least another 
generation.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Dunno, as I said my friend who is still a twice a day TM'er asked me and I 
> told him all I knew which was very little, just that one guy who said he had 
> seen an old black and white tape where M made such remarks, apparently at 
> least praising Hitler for his ability to get things done and organize things.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:04 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
> 
> 
> 
>   
> MJ
> 
> For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions of 
> Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about 
> > here before. 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > 
> > 
> > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> > who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> > watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> > Movement library.
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[John]

MJ,

If this rumor were true, the Jewish Defense League would have told the press 
about MMY's fascination.  For example, this group and some Jewish leaders have 
complained to the press for years that Pope Pius XII did not do anything to 
stop the Holocaust during WWII.  This was done recently since the Catholic 
Church was thinking of canonizing the same pope as saint.  With such negative 
press, the Church may delay the canonization process for at least another 
generation.






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> Dunno, as I said my friend who is still a twice a day TM'er asked me and I 
> told him all I knew which was very little, just that one guy who said he had 
> seen an old black and white tape where M made such remarks, apparently at 
> least praising Hitler for his ability to get things done and organize things.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: John 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:04 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
>  
> 
> 
>   
> MJ
> 
> For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions of 
> Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about 
> > here before. 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > 
> > 
> > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> > who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> > watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> > Movement library.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy

[Share Long]

dear Buck, I have been admiring your courage and persistence from afar and I 
apologize for that. I have been feeling that it's pointless to argue with some 
people about some topics. But today I have attempted to answer turq from a 
different angle and MJ from more of an Obbajee place. Anyway, I hope you get to 
stay in the Dome if that's what you want. Signed: a liberal meditator, Share





 From: Buck 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:34 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy
 


  
Dear Feste; I extend my hardy greetings and thanks for your re-enforcement 
here.  I appreciate that here.  I often feel like Custer at the last-stand here 
on FFL with all these quitters and haters closing in on me with all their 
negativity against the Teaching.  Heck, I am not even a re-certified teacher 
carrying water here.   I do hope you will vouch for me on that day when my 
exemption runs out over at the course office and they deny me a Dome badge to 
the group meditation again.  Signed, The last conservative meditator on FFL 
like the Last of the Mohicans,  -Buck 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37"  wrote:
>
> Well said, Buck.
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> >
> > Dear FFL, these guys are being disrespectful again of one of the great 
> > revolutionaries and millenarians of all our lifetimes.  Disrespectful and 
> > in deed not helpful.  This is a teacher who came out and changed the world 
> > informing every spiritual tradition and every spiritual movement with what 
> > he had to teach.  They are throwing the body under the bus along with the 
> > dirty wash water.  Each of our lives would all be spiritually deprived 
> > except for his coming out to the West.  Yes he was in a human body but he 
> > was supremely revolutionary.  Like just for instance think of revolution as 
> > his coming out and teaching women, even making women teachers of this.  The 
> > man did a huge service to the world in taking it on teaching entirely 
> > within the tradition of Shankara.
> > -Buck
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams"  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > mjackson74:
> > > > when the old bastard was young, glib a natural liar
> > > >
> > > Yeah, Mr. Varma can't hold a candle to all your
> > > accomplishments, Mr. Jackson. LoL!
> > >
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3qOxNjNms0
> > > >
> > >
> > 
> > Yeah but M was one of the most influential millenarian revolutionaries of 
> > the
> > 20th Century. Start of the 21st Century too. -Buck
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > >
> > > Wrong, he achieved way more than me. Lied to millions of people, got away 
> > > with sexual manipulation, was the most successful con artist of the 20th 
> > > Century, made up all kinds of ridiculous bullshit and got lots of people 
> > > to not only believe it, but pay him money for the privilege of believing 
> > > it. No, he accomplished much more than me. 
> > >
> >
>


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long  wrote:
>
> turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
> MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
> of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
> is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
> programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
> fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
> Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to 
> be very smart and very practical.
> 
> With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
> find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning 
> that in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants 
> and Hindus. Don't know about
>  Muslims.
> 
> As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who 
> actually do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are 
> those who simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what 
> I call on the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure 
> such variance can be found in the rest of the Dome.
> 
> And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
> then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
> outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
> clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
> evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.

Interesting that in all of your examples of individuality that you illustrate 
above you lump the entire Chinese population into one generalization.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: turquoiseb 
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
>  
> 
> 
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> >
> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 
> 
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John"  wrote:
>
> MJ
> 
> For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means 
> that he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions of 
> Jews for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?

Excellent question, however millions "admired him" at one time or another and 
some Neo-Nazis and sub-human low-lifes still do. Nevertheless, I am pretty sure 
MMY was no fan. It just simply wouldn't compute. Nothing MMY professed to stand 
for and promote in his life resembles anything Hitler 'accomplished' in his.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> >
> > OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing 
> > from someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about 
> > here before. 
> > 
> > 
> > Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> > 
> > 
> > I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> > who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> > watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> > Movement library.
> >
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Share Long]

MJ, I have no idea. What I do know, having lived 65 years, is that this is a 
place of yin and yang, up and down, positive and negative. IMO anyone and 
anything on this planet is gonna be a mix. So maybe it's wise not to throw the 
baby out with the bath water. I'm not saying that's what you did. I'm simply 
saying that some have experienced the good and bad of the TMO and decided that 
the good is good enough to hang in here. AND some of us also think that that 
good will make the bad less horrific as time goes by. 





 From: Michael Jackson 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
reckon these are some of the Asian gals who were trading sex for grades and 
money with the professor who was just fired for same, according to the posts on 
MUM Secrets?





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to be 
very smart and very practical.

With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning that 
in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants and 
Hindus.
 Don't know about
 Muslims.

As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who actually 
do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are those who 
simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what I call on 
the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure such variance 
can be found in the rest of the Dome.

And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.




 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."






 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Michael Jackson]

reckon these are some of the Asian gals who were trading sex for grades and 
money with the professor who was just fired for same, according to the posts on 
MUM Secrets?





 From: Share Long 
To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to be 
very smart and very practical.

With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning that 
in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants and 
Hindus.
 Don't know about
 Muslims.

As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who actually 
do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are those who 
simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what I call on 
the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure such variance 
can be found in the rest of the Dome.

And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.




 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."




 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Share Long]

turq, with regards to Bertrand Russell's *wish to find out* I reply that at 
MUM, TM and TMSP is not called Belief in Consciousness but rather Development 
of Consciousness and students receive academic credit for it. And this credit 
is recognized by the regional accrediting agency as well as by graduate 
programs at universities all over the US and even as far away as China. In 
fact, this summer I've noticed that the number of young Chinese women in the 
Dome is increasing. I mention this because I find the Chinese in general to be 
very smart and very practical.

With regards to Russell's *will to believe* just in the simplest way we don't 
find uniformity with TMers, even long term TMers and recert govs. Meaning that 
in all these groups we find devout Jews and Catholics and Protestants and 
Hindus. Don't know about
 Muslims.

As for uniformity of TM related beliefs, there are probably those who actually 
do believe 100% and there are those who believe less and there are those who 
simply go by their own experience. A woman who sits near me is what I call on 
the TM straight and narrow, as is her husband. I am not. I'm sure such variance 
can be found in the rest of the Dome.

And lastly, if clothing is any indication, and personally I think that it is, 
then there's plenty of individuality in the women's Dome: some wear jogging 
outfits; some wear beautiful punjabis; some like me wear regular casual 
clothes; some of the students wear tank tops and shorts; some women in the 
evening come straight from work in skirts or dresses.




 From: turquoiseb 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:22 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome
 


  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
>
> It's very important the environment that we keep. Group 
> meditations are really important. In group meditations 
> you get the advantage of the energy of the other person, 
> and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance, 
> and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely 
> inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out! 

Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
(to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
as opposed to the "wish to find out."


 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Michael Jackson]

Dunno, as I said my friend who is still a twice a day TM'er asked me and I told 
him all I knew which was very little, just that one guy who said he had seen an 
old black and white tape where M made such remarks, apparently at least 
praising Hitler for his ability to get things done and organize things.





 From: John 
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 10:04 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler
 


  
MJ

For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means that 
he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions of Jews 
for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing from 
> someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about here 
> before. 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> 
> 
> I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> Movement library.
>


 

[FairfieldLife] MOO MAKING (was Re: marshy)

[authfriend]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann"  wrote:
> > (snip)
> > > I don't vaccinate for Swine flu or flu in general
> > 
> > Oy. Ann, please have a look at this:
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity
> > 
> > Even if you aren't concerned about getting the flu yourself,
> > you should have the flu shot every year to protect the folks
> > who might otherwise get it from you (and who might then give
> > it to others).
> > 
> > Herd immunity is such an important concept when it comes to
> > vaccines. You aren't just protecting yourself when you get
> > vaccinated.
> 
> I just *knew* there had to be a reason that
> the TBs got so excited about a talk from Guru
> Dev about cows. At least one of them believes
> that she's part of a "herd."
> 
> How embarrassing. This could be an udder PR
> disaster.  :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9RZXmK4THI

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[John]

MJ

For your information Hitler had Shakti Yoga in his natal chart which means that 
he is the devil incarnate in the world.  As such, he killed millions of Jews 
for his own evil agenda.  Why would MMY admire him for such acts?



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing from 
> someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about here 
> before. 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> 
> 
> I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> Movement library.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Not All TM'ers Welcome

[Ann]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" dhamiltony2k5@ wrote:
> >
> > It's very important the environment that we keep. Group
> > meditations are really important. In group meditations
> > you get the advantage of the energy of the other person,
> > and the devotion of the other person, and the perseverance,
> > and the will of the other person, and you are absolutely
> > inspired. So, group meditations, seek them out!
>
> Can't argue with Buck's logic here, if what you
> want in a spiritual movement and out of life is
> (to reference the Bertrand Russell quote on the
> FFL Home Page) to cultivate the "will to believe,"
> as opposed to the "wish to find out."
>
> By all means, if the most important thing to you
> is to think the way the people around you think,
> believe the things they believe, and act the way
> they act, file into the Domes twice a day and
> immerse yourself in these other people's "energy"
> and "devotion."
>
> After all, we all know that "coherence," as the
> term is used in physics, involves lots of electrons
> lining up and marching in lock-step together, not
> one of them acting as if they had any individuality
> or personality or worth on their own. The only
> important thing is that they all do exactly what
> the other electrons are doing.
>
> So it is with "coherence" in the social/sociological
> setting of the Domes. If your highest goal in life
> is to be just like everybody else around you, you
> simply MUST meditate in groups with them every day.
> Skip a day, and you risk  having ideas of
> your own, or doing things that might be considered
> by your Betters as Off The Program. Can't have that...
>
> More seriously, although almost everyone (even me)
> might admit that there is a perceptible value in
> meditating with a group, it might be of interest to
> some here that some spiritual teachers in traditions
> other than TM *discourage* participating in group
> meds more often than, say, once or twice a month.
>
> The reason is that they have found over time that
> those who do it more often become "lazy" about their
> own meditations, and rarely make any progress in
> being able to have deep meditations when *not* in
> a group. They "ride the energy" that they pick up
> from the group, and "coast" with it, rather than
> doing what might be necessary to have just as deep
> and profound a meditation on their own.
I don't buy that. You're either having a deep meditation or you're not
at whatever time you're having it. Those riding the energy of a group
aren't going to get "lazy" in their ability to have deep meditations on
their own. Maybe in the case of riding a bike and drafting behind some
truck you could say this. You don't and can't build meditation muscles
especially with TM where it is purportedly effortless anyway. Lazy or
not lazy is not a factor, fit or not fit, alone or in a group is not
going to enable or disable anyone from transcending. Isn't it as easy as
falling off a cliff? (And while on the subject of  "herds", a nod to
Alfred Jacob Miller.)

  [File:Alfred Jacob Miller - Hunting Buffalo - Walters 371940190.jpg]


>>

[FairfieldLife] Re: marshy and hitler

[Duveyoung]

It's worse, Maharishi admired L. Ron. Hubbard.

Edg

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
>
> OK, an old TM buddy got in touch w me recently in a sweat after hearing from 
> someone that Marshy admired Hitler, I know this has been talked about here 
> before. 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know the provenance of these rumors? 
> 
> 
> I remember hearing from someone who was conducted TTC course in the 1970's 
> who said he and the guys who ran TTC had seen at least one tape and they 
> watched from time to time since they had access to the entire library 
> Movement library.
>