Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
[FairfieldLife] Yoga!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
[FairfieldLife] Re: A must for anyone who ever did TM
In this day and age, people are not that naive. Perhaps you and a few others got sucked in, thinking the TMO was the greatest paradise, ever. But the overwhelming majority of us saw Maharishi's organization for what it was, made up of well intentioned, inexperienced, unenlightened human beings. Apparently, from the way she talks about it, Gina's days in the TM Movement, were the most fascinating, and interesting, in her life, as she has made a shadow career out of telling, and retelling, these few stories of hers. I hope the ten or so people who showed up, enjoyed it. Not at all revelatory, and really, pretty bland. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Gina Catena gave a talk at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco - excellent, excellent talk, even the question and answer part where a couple shills for the TM Movement show what asses they are. This is audio only http://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/podcast/cult-or-benign-cure-all-life-transcendental-meditation%E2%80%99s-hidden-society http://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/podcast/cult-or-benign-cure-all-life-transcendental-meditation%E2%80%99s-hidden-society http://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/podcast/cult-or-benign-cure-all-life-transcendental-meditation%E2%80%99s-hidden-society Cult or Benign Cure-all? Life in Transcendental Meditati... http://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/podcast/cult-or-benign-cure-all-life-transcendental-meditation%E2%80%99s-hidden-society Mon, Oct 20 2014 - 5:15pm Gina Catena, MS, CNM, NP; Contributor and Speaker, International Cultic Studies Association View on www.commonwealthcl... http://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/podcast/cult-or-benign-cure-all-life-transcendental-meditation%E2%80%99s-hidden-society Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Apocalypse Porn
What if there were a type of fiction that -- intentionally -- catered to believers in religious fantasies that predict a coming apocalypse that (according to their dogma) will kill all but the most faithful believers? What would its primary characteristics be? Well, if you believe that True Believers of apocalyptic fantasies *are* actually focused on the things they tell people they're focused on, it would be about the joys of being saved, and how their unwavering faith saved them, while so many others perished. But that's not really true. What the fiction designed to appeal to these True Believers focuses on are the Terrible Things That Are Going To Happen To The Non-Believers™. There will be page after page of terrible things happening to people who aren't on the Believer Bus -- bombs going off, planes crashing from the skies, terrorism, floods, riots, etc. These NON-God-fearing people will disappear, be torn apart, be tortured, be blown up, and more. And this will happen over and over and over, so that the True Believers will be presented with a morality tale similar to paintings of Hell by Hieronymus Bosch that supports their group fantasy of being special, and other people *NOT* being special. In fact, these non-believers are SO not special that they're all going to die in horrible ways. Think I'm exaggerating? Well, welcome to the Left Behind series of books. 10 books, which have now sold over 65 million copies, almost ALL sold to evangelical Christians who believe in dispensationalist prophecies, almost ALL of them living in America. (The books have not sold well anywhere else on earth, which says something about the collective religious insanity that is the United States.) Think my title for this post is sensational? The Left Behind books are LITERALLY Apocalypse Porn. And now there's Left Behind, the movie. It's a remake, actually, preceded by a series of earlier low-budget, direct-to-DVD movies starring evangelical Christian nut case Kirk Cameron. That movie didn't do very well, so Hollywood decided to do what they do best and do a big-budget remake of it, starring Nicolas Cage. Anyone who saw the loathsome remake of The Wicker Man starring Cage knows that their choice of star is a tipoff as to the quality of the movie and what to expect. For the first half hour of the movie, it's just tedious, all exposition and introducing characters that you *hope* are all going to die so you don't have to watch them for a full two hours. Then the Rapture happens, and the immediate onscreen action starts switching between a plane in which Nick Cage is the pilot and back on earth, where his daughter is wandering around a shopping center. Daughter is hugging her younger brother, and suddenly finds herself hugging empty clothes. Up in the air, Cage's co-pilot disappears, as do many of the passengers. Elsewhere, there is the very Apocalypse Porn you would expect, as the TBs are whisked off to Heaven in a moment and those considered unworthy of the trip just disappear from behind the wheels of the cars they were driving or the planes they were flying. For a while it looks like the only ones who are going to profit from all of this are vendors of used clothing, because there are piles of it everywhere. :-) Finally people figure out that the Rapture has happened, and that they have been (wait for it) L E F T B E H I N D. No Saint Peter for them. Just life back on earth, which will get real gnarly, real fast, as predicted by prophecies of the coming seven years of tribulation. even if you don't get to see much of it in this first movie in what they obviously hope is a franchise. And THAT'S THE POINT. This really IS fiction for elitist True Believers, to not only pat them on the back for being TBs, but to give them a fictional glimpse of all the terrible, awful things that are going to happen to Non-Believers. It's like an entire series of novels written by Jim Flanegin, in which the only two things the author is capable of are 1) telling people how incredibly special he is, and 2) fantasizing about the terrible life that those who are NOT as special as he is are going to face. We've certainly seen a similar 'tude in the TM movement. Anyone who paid their dues and spent time as a TM teacher (meaning NOT Jim Flanegin, Lawson, Judy Stein, Richard Williams and those other poseurs) has been exposed to all of the carefully-planted memes about the terrible things that will happen to them if they ever stopped meditating or (horrors!) fell Off The Program. THAT is Apocalypse Porn, too, just on a smaller level. Suffice it to say that the rest of the film doth not merit a detailed review. It's terrible, and I suspect that even if one were a believer in the coming Rapture it would be terrible. I'm reviewing it here primarily for those who are interested in the cult mindset. If while reading FFL you've ever gotten the feeling that some of the TM
[FairfieldLife] A world record, set very quietly
This guy did it right, and *no capsule*! http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/excursions/post/alan-eustace-quietly-sets-altitude-world-record/ http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/excursions/post/alan-eustace-quietly-sets-altitude-world-record/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apocalypse Porn
Did you know that a lot of TB Christians went to see the Lord of the Rings movies? They did so because the battle scenes were supposed to be what it is going to be like when Armageddon comes. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:04 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Apocalypse Porn What if there were a type of fiction that -- intentionally -- catered to believers in religious fantasies that predict a coming apocalypse that (according to their dogma) will kill all but the most faithful believers? What would its primary characteristics be? Well, if you believe that True Believers of apocalyptic fantasies *are* actually focused on the things they tell people they're focused on, it would be about the joys of being saved, and how their unwavering faith saved them, while so many others perished. But that's not really true. What the fiction designed to appeal to these True Believers focuses on are the Terrible Things That Are Going To Happen To The Non-Believers™. There will be page after page of terrible things happening to people who aren't on the Believer Bus -- bombs going off, planes crashing from the skies, terrorism, floods, riots, etc. These NON-God-fearing people will disappear, be torn apart, be tortured, be blown up, and more. And this will happen over and over and over, so that the True Believers will be presented with a morality tale similar to paintings of Hell by Hieronymus Bosch that supports their group fantasy of being special, and other people *NOT* being special. In fact, these non-believers are SO not special that they're all going to die in horrible ways. Think I'm exaggerating? Well, welcome to the Left Behind series of books. 10 books, which have now sold over 65 million copies, almost ALL sold to evangelical Christians who believe in dispensationalist prophecies, almost ALL of them living in America. (The books have not sold well anywhere else on earth, which says something about the collective religious insanity that is the United States.) Think my title for this post is sensational? The Left Behind books are LITERALLY Apocalypse Porn. And now there's Left Behind, the movie. It's a remake, actually, preceded by a series of earlier low-budget, direct-to-DVD movies starring evangelical Christian nut case Kirk Cameron. That movie didn't do very well, so Hollywood decided to do what they do best and do a big-budget remake of it, starring Nicolas Cage. Anyone who saw the loathsome remake of The Wicker Man starring Cage knows that their choice of star is a tipoff as to the quality of the movie and what to expect. For the first half hour of the movie, it's just tedious, all exposition and introducing characters that you *hope* are all going to die so you don't have to watch them for a full two hours. Then the Rapture happens, and the immediate onscreen action starts switching between a plane in which Nick Cage is the pilot and back on earth, where his daughter is wandering around a shopping center. Daughter is hugging her younger brother, and suddenly finds herself hugging empty clothes. Up in the air, Cage's co-pilot disappears, as do many of the passengers. Elsewhere, there is the very Apocalypse Porn you would expect, as the TBs are whisked off to Heaven in a moment and those considered unworthy of the trip just disappear from behind the wheels of the cars they were driving or the planes they were flying. For a while it looks like the only ones who are going to profit from all of this are vendors of used clothing, because there are piles of it everywhere. :-) Finally people figure out that the Rapture has happened, and that they have been (wait for it) L E F T B E H I N D. No Saint Peter for them. Just life back on earth, which will get real gnarly, real fast, as predicted by prophecies of the coming seven years of tribulation. even if you don't get to see much of it in this first movie in what they obviously hope is a franchise. And THAT'S THE POINT. This really IS fiction for elitist True Believers, to not only pat them on the back for being TBs, but to give them a fictional glimpse of all the terrible, awful things that are going to happen to Non-Believers. It's like an entire series of novels written by Jim Flanegin, in which the only two things the author is capable of are 1) telling people how incredibly special he is, and 2) fantasizing about the terrible life that those who are NOT as special as he is are going to face. We've certainly seen a similar 'tude in the TM movement. Anyone who paid their dues and spent time as a TM teacher (meaning NOT Jim Flanegin, Lawson, Judy Stein, Richard Williams and those other poseurs) has been exposed to all of the carefully-planted memes about the terrible things that will happen to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A must for anyone who ever did TM
Hardly bland - very telling stuff, shows what a cult TM was even in the early days at the top levels. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:55 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A must for anyone who ever did TM In this day and age, people are not that naive. Perhaps you and a few others got sucked in, thinking the TMO was the greatest paradise, ever. But the overwhelming majority of us saw Maharishi's organization for what it was, made up of well intentioned, inexperienced, unenlightened human beings. Apparently, from the way she talks about it, Gina's days in the TM Movement, were the most fascinating, and interesting, in her life, as she has made a shadow career out of telling, and retelling, these few stories of hers. I hope the ten or so people who showed up, enjoyed it. Not at all revelatory, and really, pretty bland. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Gina Catena gave a talk at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco - excellent, excellent talk, even the question and answer part where a couple shills for the TM Movement show what asses they are. This is audio only http://www.commonwealthclub.org/events/archive/podcast/cult-or-benign-cure-all-life-transcendental-meditation%E2%80%99s-hidden-society Cult or Benign Cure-all? Life in Transcendental Meditati... Mon, Oct 20 2014 - 5:15pm Gina Catena, MS, CNM, NP; Contributor and Speaker, International Cultic Studies Association View on www.commonwealthcl... Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: A world record, set very quietly
I think it's way cool that he did it in such quiet and minimalist fashion; very classy. OTOH, I also very much enjoyed watching Baumgartner's publicity stunt webcast as it was happening. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com wrote : This guy did it right, and *no capsule*! http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/excursions/post/alan-eustace-quietly-sets-altitude-world-record/ http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/excursions/post/alan-eustace-quietly-sets-altitude-world-record/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his
[FairfieldLife] Collins Complains
He should just take the Alfred E. Newman way of What? Me worry? After all, he is a decades long practitioner of TM and the TM Siddhi Program which we all know is 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone! So he has got to have a great deal of support of nature going for him. Plus he can always wear expensive jyotish gem stones and get yagyas done. I wonder if they have a yagya for getting people to not look at you as a pedophile anymore? Heck, he should just get a job with the Movement. We all know how well they stick up for people who have done stuff for them in the past. Stephen Collins' Wife -- He's Unemployable Because He's a Pedophile! Stephen Collins' estranged wife is indignant he's bellyaching he can't get work because of that audiotape in which he '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins - Confesses on Tape to Child Molestation ... NYPD Investigating ...Faye Grant says the real reason he can't get work is because he's a pedophile. Collins' lawyer, Mark Vincent Kaplan, filed legal docs saying, Faye's decision to parade that recording ... has resulted in Stephen having no income other than investment income and pension income. Now Grant's lawyer, legal pitbull Marty Singer, tells TMZ, The tape has nothing to do with Mr. Collins' plight. It is Mr. Collins' horrific conduct and actions that have caused him damage. Singer calls Collins a pedophile, adding, It is also unfortunate that Mr. Kaplan is attempting to justify his client's conduct by diverting blame onto third parties.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
On 10/24/2014 7:40 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, you want something silly? I give you something silly. Barry is having a near panic attack, pleading, insisting that someone explain to him the importance of the experience of unbounded awareness. I guess he's got a turd he wants to drop on that or something. But, here. Get this. Ask Barry to explain, how as a declared atheist, he explains karma, and rebirth, (which he is on record of buying into), and he mumbles, It's not important. It doesn't matter. No, not important at all Richard, explain that to me, please,it you can. Go figure? No. I haven't figured that out. /The condition is called cognitive dissonance - that's when a person holds two or more conflicting beliefs at the same time. Barry used to be a professed Buddhist who believed in karma and a Self or Spirit that reincarnates after biological death. //Logically in order for //metempsychosis to work there must be a reincarnating soul-monad - a self that reincarnates - a person that reaps the karma of past or present actions. But the historical Buddha denied the existence of the Atman. Go figure.// // //Barry posted this information to alt.religion.gnostic several years ago and he also mentioned on FFL his belief in the Tibetan Bardo state. Barry apparently studied American Buddhism under the Zen Master Rama and converted in 1977. / //This sets up the dissonance conflict because some people get confused by not understanding why some people who go around doing good and have good intentions, are yet forced to suffer and vice-versa - many times people that go around doing bad things, get rewarded. The theory of karma or causation is almost inconceivable. So, w///hat happened to Barry is simple: after living in NE for so many years, he obviously has succumbed to peer pressure and has been turned into a materialist or a naive realist. ///You can understand how easy it is to get mentally brain-washed by reading about young people that go radical after watching just a single video. Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. Go figure. /It is sometimes very difficult to stay on a spiritual path when your own family and friends don't believe in anything and you feel like a stranger in a strange land. Sometimes people tend to conform to the level of consciousness that surrounds them and they begin to reflect that on social media. It's not complicated.. / ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/24/2014 8:44 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This sounds like a pretzeling moment /It seems dirt simple to me. We are all bound by karma, which means actions, past and present. If a person does good deeds, he or she will be reborn in a better life. ///On the other hand, if a person does bad things, in the past or present, he or she will get reborn in hell, or a less than satisfactory situation. /It's not complicated.// In some rare cases, if a person follows a spiritual path, does the work and realizes enlightenment, that person, if he or she has really good karma, may not have to be reborn again, unless they choose to do so, to help the rest of the world get free. //But, you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get.// // //So, based on my experience, what I've been told and what I have figured out - *I believe in Life; what it does to you and what you do back. */ ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : /Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a belief in God is a form of mental illness. / // On 10/24/2014 12:03 AM, blue_bungalow_2@... mailto:blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This could explain how Winthrop and Albert worked on the non-weapon part, of an exclusively weapons project, in which one of them was denied security clearance. /This is an example of cognitive dissonance - the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time.// // //What I'm trying to do is alert Barry that he is exhibiting some roughness by posting contradictory messages to the group. Everyone already knows that Barry believes in Buddhas, karma, and reincarnation and that he bought and read Sam Harris' new book. ///Everyone already knows that (except apparently Xeno). /The thing that doesn't make any sense is, why Barry didn't understand
Re: [FairfieldLife] A must for anyone who ever did TM
On 10/24/2014 10:26 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Gina Catena gave a talk at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco - excellent, excellent talk, even the question and answer part where a couple shills for the TM Movement show what asses they are. /So, Gina is your cult exit counselor. If so, she sucks at it. Maybe you need to see a real professional and get on some medication before your roughness becomes more overt and you just explode with anger and do something rash. You are obsessing and really acting strange lately. Go figure./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
On 10/24/2014 7:31 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Ouch! When you encounter it? /Maybe he lives across the street from a paper mill, which would explain his condition of curled up lip. Or, maybe he has a chronic curled up lip condition because he is on social media most of the day and night. Go figure./ Really? Are we speaking about the TMO? So, I guess you are just surfing the net, and by some weird coincidence, you just end up here. Oookayyy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I don't really hate it - its just that when I encounter it, my nose sort of curls up as if I were riding down the road with my car windows open and I happen to ride by a pig farm or a paper mill - both are quite odoriferous. Nappy will probably have to look that word up - it means something that stinks real shore nuff bad. *From:* curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2014 9:37 AM *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Buck is right. The hate MJ represents is on the same level of extremity as any terrorrist. The only difference is he hasn't crossed the line into violence, yet. M: Having some trouble with Mr. Distinctions today are we? Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. Even when I was a good little Maharishi teacher I would recognize your brand of slanderous shoot-the-messenger routine as foul. Both you and Buck disgrace your dead teacher's memory by acting like this. You two are doing more harm to the movement you claim to love than anything Michael has ever written here. He may hate the movement, but your extreme idiocy actually harms it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate and behavior to be like Hamas and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some rights to defend themselves for their life against terrorism and attack which may threaten their very existence. You are a good example of that attack and terrorism for the TM community. I find you terribly interesting in this by example. Once again in the news we have an example of 'group coalescing' to protect themselves individually and their very life to exist as a group: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the events on Parliament Hill an attack on our values. Stephen Harper described the attacker as a terrorist and promised to redouble anti-terror efforts. In fact, this will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts... to take all necessary steps to identify and counter threats and keep Canada safe.** *Om Canada!* *-Buck in the Dome* mjackson74 writes: This from the guy who said I and people like me should be targeted with drone strikes. ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people at times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long
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In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse Porn
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : What if there were a type of fiction that -- intentionally -- catered to believers in religious fantasies that predict a coming apocalypse that (according to their dogma) will kill all but the most faithful believers? What would its primary characteristics be? M: I believe it is called the book of Revelations! You nailed why such a psychotic rant was included in the books of the Bible. One aspect of heaven that was added later was the idea that you not only are in Heaven with God, not good enough, you get to see the sinners burn in hell like an eternal Halloween scare-a-thon movie week schedule. I think you have nailed in a different way the core of Jim and Nabbie's behavior here toward you and Michael and me. It is pretty ugly. They have twisted living well is the best revenge into telling stories about them not living well will be our revenge. This is the continuum that leads to the inquisition. It is in our human nature deep. The routine they ran on Michael was the next step out there IMO, equating him with terrorists. Very ugly stuff. Well, if you believe that True Believers of apocalyptic fantasies *are* actually focused on the things they tell people they're focused on, it would be about the joys of being saved, and how their unwavering faith saved them, while so many others perished. But that's not really true. What the fiction designed to appeal to these True Believers focuses on are the Terrible Things That Are Going To Happen To The Non-Believers™. There will be page after page of terrible things happening to people who aren't on the Believer Bus -- bombs going off, planes crashing from the skies, terrorism, floods, riots, etc. These NON-God-fearing people will disappear, be torn apart, be tortured, be blown up, and more. And this will happen over and over and over, so that the True Believers will be presented with a morality tale similar to paintings of Hell by Hieronymus Bosch that supports their group fantasy of being special, and other people *NOT* being special. In fact, these non-believers are SO not special that they're all going to die in horrible ways. Think I'm exaggerating? Well, welcome to the Left Behind series of books. 10 books, which have now sold over 65 million copies, almost ALL sold to evangelical Christians who believe in dispensationalist prophecies, almost ALL of them living in America. (The books have not sold well anywhere else on earth, which says something about the collective religious insanity that is the United States.) Think my title for this post is sensational? The Left Behind books are LITERALLY Apocalypse Porn. And now there's Left Behind, the movie. It's a remake, actually, preceded by a series of earlier low-budget, direct-to-DVD movies starring evangelical Christian nut case Kirk Cameron. That movie didn't do very well, so Hollywood decided to do what they do best and do a big-budget remake of it, starring Nicolas Cage. Anyone who saw the loathsome remake of The Wicker Man starring Cage knows that their choice of star is a tipoff as to the quality of the movie and what to expect. For the first half hour of the movie, it's just tedious, all exposition and introducing characters that you *hope* are all going to die so you don't have to watch them for a full two hours. Then the Rapture happens, and the immediate onscreen action starts switching between a plane in which Nick Cage is the pilot and back on earth, where his daughter is wandering around a shopping center. Daughter is hugging her younger brother, and suddenly finds herself hugging empty clothes. Up in the air, Cage's co-pilot disappears, as do many of the passengers. Elsewhere, there is the very Apocalypse Porn you would expect, as the TBs are whisked off to Heaven in a moment and those considered unworthy of the trip just disappear from behind the wheels of the cars they were driving or the planes they were flying. For a while it looks like the only ones who are going to profit from all of this are vendors of used clothing, because there are piles of it everywhere. :-) Finally people figure out that the Rapture has happened, and that they have been (wait for it) L E F T B E H I N D. No Saint Peter for them. Just life back on earth, which will get real gnarly, real fast, as predicted by prophecies of the coming seven years of tribulation. even if you don't get to see much of it in this first movie in what they obviously hope is a franchise. And THAT'S THE POINT. This really IS fiction for elitist True Believers, to not only pat them on the back for being TBs, but to give them a fictional glimpse of all the terrible, awful things that are going to happen to Non-Believers. It's like an entire series of novels written by Jim Flanegin, in which the only two things the author is capable of are 1) telling people how incredibly special he is, and 2)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
What's amazing is that Curtis, the Turq and MJ doesn't seem to have anything better to do. It's as if this beautiful distraction is that little thing that gives meaning to otherwise empty lives. what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
-In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : What's amazing is that Curtis, the Turq and MJ doesn't seem to have anything better to do. It's as if this beautiful distraction is that little thing that gives meaning to otherwise empty lives. M: Do tell Nabbie. What about my life is empty? I didn't know we were acquainted. How about this, I'll call bullshit on you till you come up with some facts. Fair enough? what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!.
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Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. I'm happy for you if you no longer have to do the busking on the streets, begging for recognition and a few cents, honestly I am. How long have you now have a paid job, 6 months ? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
For some unknown reason you used to put videos on youtube of your performance which explained my impression. If you do no longer feel they are representative that's Ok, we all move on. Are they still there or did you wisely delete them ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
For some unknown reason you used to put videos on youtube of your performance which explains my impression. If you do no longer feel they are representative that's Ok, we all move on. Are they still there or did you wisely delete them ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? Thank you Curtis, you have just perfectly and eloquently summarized, to a 't', exactly how Bawwy operates here at FFL and why I respond to him the way I do. It was brilliant. but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse Porn
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse Porn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : What if there were a type of fiction that -- intentionally -- catered to believers in religious fantasies that predict a coming apocalypse that (according to their dogma) will kill all but the most faithful believers? What would its primary characteristics be? M: I believe it is called the book of Revelations! You nailed why such a psychotic rant was included in the books of the Bible. One aspect of heaven that was added later was the idea that you not only are in Heaven with God, not good enough, you get to see the sinners burn in hell like an eternal Halloween scare-a-thon movie week schedule. I think you have nailed in a different way the core of Jim and Nabbie's behavior here toward you and Michael and me. It is pretty ugly. They have twisted living well is the best revenge into telling stories about them not living well will be our revenge. This is the continuum that leads to the inquisition. It is in our human nature deep. The routine they ran on Michael was the next step out there IMO, equating him with terrorists. Very ugly stuff. It's a very strange mindset, this Inquisition stuff. Nabby's *always* been like this, and I think Jim has picked it up lately since it's become apparent that he can't point to a single person on the planet who actually believes his tales of being enlightened. Jim's entire life seems to revolve around these fantasized stories he tells about himself, so when NO ONE believes them, he panics, and feels he has to lash out and tell equally made-up stories about other people. What is more disturbing is when people like Steve and Buck do exactly the same thing. Bottom line, as you address in other threads, is that they've all seemingly sunk to the level of Richard Williams, willing to lie and make up things to get the people they don't like. Their anger is so great and their cognitive dissonance buttons are so pushed that they really *don't see anything wrong with this*. They seem to think they're actually somehow defending TM and acting as good examples of TMers while lying like this.
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Jimmie thinks you are both unsuccessful since you don't do TM or praise TM. That seems to be the TM'er signpost of success, see how the Movement uses celebrity endorsement to pawn their drivel off on the masses. The implication of the endorsement being if you too do TM you can be as successful as Hugh Jackman and so on. If you listened to Gina Catena's talk I posted here last night you have heard at the end of the tape a TM shill name of Nat Goldhaber - he spent five minutes blabbering about his success and how fine he was. I reckon they have forgotten how successful Stephen Collins once was, you know, before he was outed as a pedophile? From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
come on, Nablusoss, there's got to be a way to say you strongly disagree with
someone without getting so nasty and personal! You're way overboard imo.
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:07 AM, nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
For some unknown reason you used to put videos on youtube of your
performance which explains my impression. If you do no longer feel they are
representative that's Ok, we all move on. Are they still there or did you
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
salyavin, just to say that I think this is an excellent summary of last Tuesday's meeting, which was totally rich with feelings and ideas and aspirations. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:17 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: salyavin808asks:So,what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they goingto do about it? DatelineFairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that havebeen ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under theworking banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These areworking meetings of people who are interested in being activleyinvolved in helping with communal mental health. On alternatingTuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays isthe large group meeting where the committees bring their work. Thelarger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot hasbeen done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months tofacilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are opento interested people who would be actively involved. They are notgripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but workingmeetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previousmeeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation anddistribution of the campus guideline for psychological healthtreatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the culturalthings that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rankin the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of thewhole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, andmovement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lastingwithin and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak andparticipate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone wasasked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questionsin short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and posterboards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read throughout the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words andwithout statement what do you see the problem is here in thecommunity culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went aroundthe room. Then once everything was on the boards in front ofeveryone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about allthat was said? It went around the room to everyone includingmovement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range offeelings.Lastlarge question of the group was something like, in five words whatshould be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again timewas taken to go entirely around the room and the answers wererecorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These werepertinent action points. Inthe end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were themost important points offered in the meeting. That data then willsubsequently generate a report with priority for a future meetingabout what it might take to change the culture of the movement aroundmental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,,# #Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and havea better day. JaiGuru Dev,-Buck in the Dome ?“..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire thegusto!” No,we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts thatmake: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity andtone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts Ifeel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading theLenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I alwaysread the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'beenthere' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience likeFleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him asa critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context oftenis
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Good rant. And timely. The fascinating thing is that, were she still around, I'd bet that even Judy wouldn't stand for this level of lying from Jim and Nabby. She would point out that our posts seem to indicate that we're living quite well, thank you, and would challenge these idiots to produce even ONE post in which we've said or even implied anything like Our lives suck. Our lives DON'T suck. They're pretty fulfilling, actually. And they're pretty cool *without* us having to believe in all that mumbo-jumbo that TMers feel they have to believe in to get any attention from their fellow TMers. THAT is what I think pisses Jim and Nabby (and to a lesser extent Steve and Buck) off the most -- the obvious fact that we can get people to like us by Just Being Ourselves. They can't. So they project *their* fantasies of what an apostate's life must be like onto us, and try to portray us as the losers they'd imagine *themselves* being if they no longer had the safety of being in a cult group and all of the stories they tell about themselves. Jim knows that without his silly claims of being enlightened he's nothing. And IMO he's also beginning to realize that absolutely NO ONE actually *believes* his enlightenment stories, so that IS what he is -- nothing. So he lashes out and makes up anything he thinks will get us. The rest of the Inquisitors do the same thing, for their own reasons. You knew this was coming the moment you refused to jump on the Get Barry bandwagon, right? You knew it was coming the moment you stood up for people's rights to express beliefs that run counter to the established TM On The Program beliefs. The minute you did that, you became a target again. Nothing really ever changes in cult land. From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Richard, I agree that this was a pretty awful thing that turq said about you.
The thing is, how can we stop these tsunamis of mean spiritedness? It takes at
least two opposing people to keep them going. Why not just point out erroneous
info and or say you disagree strongly with someone? But with no nasty, personal
comments thrown in. Is that so difficult to do?!
On Friday, October 24, 2014 11:30 AM, 'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
On 10/24/2014 7:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
It's one thing to actually believe the delusional crap he seems to believe
about Maharishi and the non-existent ME. That's just a senile person refusing
to let go of the delusions he glommed onto as a youth.
The only reason Richard's percentage of total posts was so low during the
week ending August 30 is that Dan Friedman tried to emulate Richard's Net
terrorist approach and made 252 posts of his own, increasing the noise but
decreasing Richard's noise ratio. - TurquoiseB
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg327828.html
Where he crosses the line is in calling you a terrorist. That's a pretty
dangerous thing to brand someone with in this day and age on an Internet forum
on which it can be accessed by any search engine. Rick reacted properly a while
back when I pointed out to him that Richard was going around calling Michael a
criminal, implying (falsely) that he was selling drugs, which is a felony in
Iowa.
Correction: Richard was complaining because it appeared as if Michael wasn't
putting *enough* weed in the cookies - not that Michael was selling drugs on
the MUM campus. Michaela had already claimed that weed smoking was rampant on
campus at the time. It was a joke, Barry, but you ran to Rick like a fink. Go
figure.
Rick promised to ban Richard if he did it again. Now Buck is calling people
terrorists for simply criticizing the cult he belongs to. Yeah, we all know
he's senile, but there has to be a limit to what he's allowed to get away with.
There is no sanity left there to appeal to in a person who posts this
compulsively, and this consistently compulsively. Nuke this guy so we can
forget him entirely, as if he had never existed. - TurquoiseB
http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg327828.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who calls himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously, at least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while begging for money.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Men like Curtis modeling for the world -- here and there -- doing such good for good's sake alone. My. Heart. Leaps. The guy is gold. Edg ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Yep. Being the fist in the sock monkey has its downside. lol ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? Thank you Curtis, you have just perfectly and eloquently summarized, to a 't', exactly how Bawwy operates here at FFL and why I respond to him the way I do. It was brilliant. but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : For some unknown reason you used to put videos on youtube of your performance which explains my impression. If you do no longer feel they are representative that's Ok, we all move on. Are they still there or did you wisely delete them ? M: I believe the video documentary short of my work done by CNN is up, is that what you mean? The point is that you don't know anything about what success I have had in my field, you are making up a story about me to suit your agenda. I am not objecting to your opinion of my music. That is your business and I appreciate your listening to form one. My music needs to satisfy me and the people who pay me to play it. I really don't care about anyone who doesn't like it, that is none of my business. No artist pleases everyone, that is the nature of the business and we are all entitled to our own taste. What I object to is your assumptive bullshit about how well I support myself with my music. I am in the middle class here probably, just like you are in your country. I am very proud that I achieved this for the last 8 years on my music and musical education alone without a day job so common for people in creative fields. Your assumptions of what busking is or what buskers earn compared to club gigs is based on complete ignorance. It isn't my job to educate you. I actually prefer that people believe what you do about it. It keeps amateurs off my spot. But after 20 years you might conclude that it is worth my time during tourist season.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Really, Nabby?! Your gonna do the pretend thing?! Ok, I'll play along and
respond as straight forwardly as I can: I don't think it's valid to judge
someone's artistic gifts by a few youtubes posted some time ago. Nor do I think
it's ok to express one's criticism of someone's art in such a nasty way as you
have. Regardless of what that person has said about something you treasure.
We honor what we treasure by being and acting like decent human beings. imo.
And in disagreements, that means we refute what we know to be inaccurate. And
we say that we strongly disagree when we do. But we don't get nasty and
personal. Again, just my opinion.
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:00 AM, nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who
calls himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously,
at least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he
posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Nabby is full of it - here is a brief video of what some folk think of a guy playing music on the street in Germany, Nabby's homeland http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9d1_1383606368 LiveLeak.com - Pop Star Stumbles Upon German Street ... Being a street musician can be a lonely path: maybe you’ll get a stranger or two to stop and listen, maybe they’ll toss you a dollar or a stray button. But really t... View on www.liveleak.com Preview by Yahoo From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : For some unknown reason you used to put videos on youtube of your performance which explains my impression. If you do no longer feel they are representative that's Ok, we all move on. Are they still there or did you wisely delete them ? M: I believe the video documentary short of my work done by CNN is up, is that what you mean? The point is that you don't know anything about what success I have had in my field, you are making up a story about me to suit your agenda. I am not objecting to your opinion of my music. That is your business and I appreciate your listening to form one. My music needs to satisfy me and the people who pay me to play it. I really don't care about anyone who doesn't like it, that is none of my business. No artist pleases everyone, that is the nature of the business and we are all entitled to our own taste. What I object to is your assumptive bullshit about how well I support myself with my music. I am in the middle class here probably, just like you are in your country. I am very proud that I achieved this for the last 8 years on my music and musical education alone without a day job so common for people in creative fields. Your assumptions of what busking is or what buskers earn compared to club gigs is based on complete ignorance. It isn't my job to educate you. I actually prefer that people believe what you do about it. It keeps amateurs off my spot. But after 20 years you might conclude that it is worth my time during tourist season.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Haha, horrible agreed. But divine compared to the stuff Curtis posted.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Our disagreement boils down to the word art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Not that I would have expected it, Barry, but I see NO EVIDENCE of your pretty cool life. We all know you drink beer and curse us, alone, from a cafe, and live in a rented room. I assert that a white, college educated, upper middle class senior citizen should be doing better, a LOT better. Instead you avoid your reality, and instead try and take a piss on TM, though it appears that your less than impressive pecker, keeps getting caught in the zipper. :-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Good rant. And timely. The fascinating thing is that, were she still around, I'd bet that even Judy wouldn't stand for this level of lying from Jim and Nabby. She would point out that our posts seem to indicate that we're living quite well, thank you, and would challenge these idiots to produce even ONE post in which we've said or even implied anything like Our lives suck. Our lives DON'T suck. They're pretty fulfilling, actually. And they're pretty cool *without* us having to believe in all that mumbo-jumbo that TMers feel they have to believe in to get any attention from their fellow TMers. THAT is what I think pisses Jim and Nabby (and to a lesser extent Steve and Buck) off the most -- the obvious fact that we can get people to like us by Just Being Ourselves. They can't. So they project *their* fantasies of what an apostate's life must be like onto us, and try to portray us as the losers they'd imagine *themselves* being if they no longer had the safety of being in a cult group and all of the stories they tell about themselves. Jim knows that without his silly claims of being enlightened he's nothing. And IMO he's also beginning to realize that absolutely NO ONE actually *believes* his enlightenment stories, so that IS what he is -- nothing. So he lashes out and makes up anything he thinks will get us. The rest of the Inquisitors do the same thing, for their own reasons. You knew this was coming the moment you refused to jump on the Get Barry bandwagon, right? You knew it was coming the moment you stood up for people's rights to express beliefs that run counter to the established TM On The Program beliefs. The minute you did that, you became a target again. Nothing really ever changes in cult land. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
If you like to, or have to, perform for tourists on street-corners that's fine with me. But listening to the videos you posted on youtube I strongly object to your using the word art. Call it anything you like but not art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
From: curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : For some unknown reason you used to put videos on youtube of your performance which explains my impression. If you do no longer feel they are representative that's Ok, we all move on. Are they still there or did you wisely delete them ? M: I believe the video documentary short of my work done by CNN is up, is that what you mean? The point is that you don't know anything about what success I have had inIs your business and I appreciate your listening to form one. My music needs to satisfy me and the people who pay me to play it. I really don't care about anyone who doesn't like it, that is none of my business. No artist pleases everyone, that is the nature of the business and we are all entitled to our own taste. What I object to is your assumptive bullshit about how well I support myself with my music. I am in the middle class here probably, just like you are in your country. I am very proud that I achieved this for the last 8 years on my music and musical education alone without a day job so common for people in creative fields. Your assumptions of what busking is or what buskers earn compared to club gigs is based on complete ignorance. It isn't my job to educate you. I actually prefer that people believe what you do about it. It keeps amateurs off my spot. But after 20 years you might conclude that it is worth my time during tourist season. Nice reply. BTW, you know my ongoing fascination with my man Bruce Cockburn, and may have noticed from posts of mine that he has a memoir coming out called Rumours Of Glory. I'm really looking forward to reading it, because Bruce has that gift of being able to express himself as well when speaking or writing as he does in his songs and his music. So do you. I suspect you might like his book, too. Your lines above about busking reminded me of one of the sections I'm most looking forward to reading, the story of Bruce busking in Paris. He'd been to Berklee School of Music, dropped out, and was trying to find his own artistic direction in life. So he went to Paris, and played and sang on the streets. I'd say that his days of busking worked out for him, just as yours have for you. Here's a song that may have had its genesis during that period of sitting on the street corner watching the boot heels shine: Bruce Cockburn - 4 - One Day I Walk - High Winds White Sky (1971) Bruce Cockburn - 4 - One Day I Walk - High Winds White ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Share I appreciate your being sweet here but honestly I have no problem with Nabbie's opinion of my work. I am proud of any video or CD of me no matter how long ago it was. I am a life long work in progress with my music like all artists. I think it is perfectly valid for Nabbie to form an opinion from any performance he has seen or heard of me. If he didn't like me then he probably wont like me now. My complaint was his assumptions about how well I make a living from my art in order to denigrate me. Nabbie clutches to his image of street performance not knowing where I perform outside on a board walk behind a famous Alexandria art center on the Potomac river. My show is a much appreciated institution in my area, I am a one man tourist attraction! I am keeping the blues alive for people who might never hear real acoustic blues in their lives. I am just as proud of that work as any other I do in music. As a matter of public record I have also performed at D.C.'s National Theater and Wolf Trap National Performing Arts Center among other places with more snob cache than busking. All gigs are the same for me, I get paid to do what I love. Busking is not higher or lower, it is just a piece of my puzzle to make the kind of living I want from my art. But thanks for the kind intentions, I do appreciate your sticking up for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really, Nabby?! Your gonna do the pretend thing?! Ok, I'll play along and respond as straight forwardly as I can: I don't think it's valid to judge someone's artistic gifts by a few youtubes posted some time ago. Nor do I think it's ok to express one's criticism of someone's art in such a nasty way as you have. Regardless of what that person has said about something you treasure. We honor what we treasure by being and acting like decent human beings. imo. And in disagreements, that means we refute what we know to be inaccurate. And we say that we strongly disagree when we do. But we don't get nasty and personal. Again, just my opinion. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:00 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who calls himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously, at least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while begging for money.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
You are a coward, Share. Say these same things to the guy who told you to fuck off, and I might respect you again. Cheap shot, and misplaced too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really, Nabby?! Your gonna do the pretend thing?! Ok, I'll play along and respond as straight forwardly as I can: I don't think it's valid to judge someone's artistic gifts by a few youtubes posted some time ago. Nor do I think it's ok to express one's criticism of someone's art in such a nasty way as you have. Regardless of what that person has said about something you treasure. We honor what we treasure by being and acting like decent human beings. imo. And in disagreements, that means we refute what we know to be inaccurate. And we say that we strongly disagree when we do. But we don't get nasty and personal. Again, just my opinion. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:00 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who calls himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously, at least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while begging for money.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If you like to, or have to, perform for tourists on street-corners that's fine with me. But listening to the videos you posted on youtube I strongly object to your using the word art. Call it anything you like but not art. M: Sorry Nabbie, that ship sailed when I earned the Artist of the Year for the DC area from the National Capital blues society. I'm gunna have to go with their judgement over yours concerning my art. You may not like what I do, but I am a full time artist and you just have to live with that fact.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Haha, horrible agreed. But divine compared to the stuff Curtis posted. M:Seeing such a beautiful moment as horrible speaks volumes about your taste Nabbie. You should try singing outside at volume for hours, you might appreciate this guy a little more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Fleetwood, I've called turq on stuff recently so I'm good in the self respect
department. IMO it's possible and healthier to call someone on stuff without
getting nasty and personal.
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:30 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
You are a coward, Share. Say these same things to the guy who told you to
fuck off, and I might respect you again. Cheap shot, and misplaced too.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Really, Nabby?! Your gonna do the pretend thing?! Ok, I'll play along and
respond as straight forwardly as I can: I don't think it's valid to judge
someone's artistic gifts by a few youtubes posted some time ago. Nor do I think
it's ok to express one's criticism of someone's art in such a nasty way as you
have. Regardless of what that person has said about something you treasure.
We honor what we treasure by being and acting like decent human beings. imo.
And in disagreements, that means we refute what we know to be inaccurate. And
we say that we strongly disagree when we do. But we don't get nasty and
personal. Again, just my opinion.
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:00 AM, nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who calls
himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously, at
least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he
posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while
begging for money.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Curtis, I just think that FFL would be way more enjoyable if people could
disagree and or refute each other without getting personal in a nasty way.
That's all.
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:30 AM, curtisdeltabl...@yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Share I appreciate your being sweet here but honestly I have no problem
with Nabbie's opinion of my work. I am proud of any video or CD of me no matter
how long ago it was. I am a life long work in progress with my music like all
artists. I think it is perfectly valid for Nabbie to form an opinion from any
performance he has seen or heard of me. If he didn't like me then he probably
wont like me now.
My complaint was his assumptions about how well I make a living from my art in
order to denigrate me. Nabbie clutches to his image of street performance not
knowing where I perform outside on a board walk behind a famous Alexandria art
center on the Potomac river. My show is a much appreciated institution in my
area, I am a one man tourist attraction! I am keeping the blues alive for
people who might never hear real acoustic blues in their lives. I am just as
proud of that work as any other I do in music.
As a matter of public record I have also performed at D.C.'s National Theater
and Wolf Trap National Performing Arts Center among other places with more snob
cache than busking. All gigs are the same for me, I get paid to do what I love.
Busking is not higher or lower, it is just a piece of my puzzle to make the
kind of living I want from my art.
But thanks for the kind intentions, I do appreciate your sticking up for me.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
Really, Nabby?! Your gonna do the pretend thing?! Ok, I'll play along and
respond as straight forwardly as I can: I don't think it's valid to judge
someone's artistic gifts by a few youtubes posted some time ago. Nor do I think
it's ok to express one's criticism of someone's art in such a nasty way as you
have. Regardless of what that person has said about something you treasure.
We honor what we treasure by being and acting like decent human beings. imo.
And in disagreements, that means we refute what we know to be inaccurate. And
we say that we strongly disagree when we do. But we don't get nasty and
personal. Again, just my opinion.
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:00 AM, nablusoss1008
no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote:
Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who calls
himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously, at
least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he
posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while
begging for money.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Curtis, I just think that FFL would be way more enjoyable if people could disagree and or refute each other without getting personal in a nasty way. That's all. M: I agree but my bar is lower. I want Jim and Nabbie to stop lying about me and how I live to demean me personally instead of dealing with what I say in an intellectually honest way. As Louis Armstrong said you blows what you is so I am not expecting them to stop their routine. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:30 AM, curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Share I appreciate your being sweet here but honestly I have no problem with Nabbie's opinion of my work. I am proud of any video or CD of me no matter how long ago it was. I am a life long work in progress with my music like all artists. I think it is perfectly valid for Nabbie to form an opinion from any performance he has seen or heard of me. If he didn't like me then he probably wont like me now. My complaint was his assumptions about how well I make a living from my art in order to denigrate me. Nabbie clutches to his image of street performance not knowing where I perform outside on a board walk behind a famous Alexandria art center on the Potomac river. My show is a much appreciated institution in my area, I am a one man tourist attraction! I am keeping the blues alive for people who might never hear real acoustic blues in their lives. I am just as proud of that work as any other I do in music. As a matter of public record I have also performed at D.C.'s National Theater and Wolf Trap National Performing Arts Center among other places with more snob cache than busking. All gigs are the same for me, I get paid to do what I love. Busking is not higher or lower, it is just a piece of my puzzle to make the kind of living I want from my art. But thanks for the kind intentions, I do appreciate your sticking up for me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Really, Nabby?! Your gonna do the pretend thing?! Ok, I'll play along and respond as straight forwardly as I can: I don't think it's valid to judge someone's artistic gifts by a few youtubes posted some time ago. Nor do I think it's ok to express one's criticism of someone's art in such a nasty way as you have. Regardless of what that person has said about something you treasure. We honor what we treasure by being and acting like decent human beings. imo. And in disagreements, that means we refute what we know to be inaccurate. And we say that we strongly disagree when we do. But we don't get nasty and personal. Again, just my opinion. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 10:00 AM, nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: Who said I'm in an argument with Curtis, I'm not. You see, someone who calls himself an artist while busking on the streets can't be taken seriously, at least not when it's on the level Curtis himself has proven by the videos he posted on youtube of himself making terrible noises on streetcorners while begging for money.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Our disagreement boils down to the word art. M: We are not disagreeing, you just don't understand what it means. It is a field of human activity, it is not a statement of value. I get hired as a teaching artist in schools to bring in the art of music. Some others bring in dance. If you don't like a dancer has your opinion removed them from the field of the humanities and now they are practicing science? When someone pays me to perform music they are paying me for my art form, music. You believe your personal taste is what defines what is and is not art. You are clueless even for a foreign language speaker.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I still object to you demand to be taken seriously music-wise. But let not me be the judge, anyone interested can make their own opinion: Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo Now a few of those not making noise on street corners pretending to be artists: R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Line (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Lin... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside at home in Independence, Mississippi, shot by Alan Lomax, Worth Long, and John Bishop in August, 1978. For more information about the America... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M Preview by Yahoo Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 fragm. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche B... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 DVD - http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4032911 - It Hurts Me Too - Old Man... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King, 1982 Jammin With Blues Greats View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Preview by Yahoo Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Montreux Jazz Festival, 7 July 1990 The Messiah Will Come Again (Roy Buchanan) Personnel: Don Airey - Keyboards Andy Pyle - Bass guitar Gr... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Preview by Yahoo The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I Music video of Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix (The Jimi Hendrix Experience) View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Our disagreement boils down to the word art. M: We are not disagreeing, you just don't understand what it means. It is a field of human activity, it is not a statement of value. I get hired as a teaching artist in schools to bring in the art of music. Some others bring in dance. If you don't like a dancer has your opinion removed them from the field of the humanities and now they are practicing science? When someone pays me to perform music they are paying me for my art form, music. You believe your personal taste is what defines what is and is not art. You are clueless even for a foreign language speaker.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still object to you demand to be taken seriously music-wise. M: I never demand anyone to take me seriously music-wise. I am satisfied and my paying customers are satisfied, that is good enough for me. N: But let not me be the judge, anyone interested can make their own opinion: M: Fair enough. Here is something more recent, 2008, but I also dig that old video. I am a fan of all the guys you posted. Music is not a zero sum game, there is room for lots of artists. I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 This is a short film of Curtis Blues discussing and performing the Walking Blues by Robert Johnson on Robert's 100th birthday May 8th 20011. Award ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo Now a few of those not making noise on street corners pretending to be artists: R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Line (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Lin... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside at home in Independence, Mississippi, shot by Alan Lomax, Worth Long, and John Bishop in August, 1978. For more information about the America... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M Preview by Yahoo Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 fragm. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche B... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 DVD - http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4032911 - It Hurts Me Too - Old Man... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King, 1982 Jammin With Blues Greats View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Preview by Yahoo Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Montreux Jazz Festival, 7 July 1990 The Messiah Will Come Again (Roy Buchanan) Personnel: Don Airey - Keyboards Andy Pyle - Bass guitar Gr... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Preview by Yahoo The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I Music video of Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix (The Jimi Hendrix Experience) View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Our disagreement boils down to the word art. M: We are not disagreeing, you just don't understand what it means. It is a field of human activity, it is not a statement of value. I get hired as a teaching artist in schools to bring in the art
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. We know they are dead so that goes without saying. Hopefully you are not so out of touch with reality as you come across that you compare yourself in any possible way with these musicians.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. We know they are dead so that goes without saying. Hopefully you are not so out of touch with reality as you come across that you compare yourself in any possible way with these musicians. M: No it is you my humorless friend who is attempting to judge my music against some of the most legendary musicians on my genre. I wonder if any of your endeavors in life would hold up to that as a standard? But to be fair, and I know you are not intending to be... My field is as a multi -instrumentalist at the same time. Your comparisons are only of the same type of music, not as I perform it. I hold my own with anyone who is playing as I do much better. Plus you are comparing me busking which means I am keeping the crowd engaged the whole time with people playing for an audience or at a recording session. Perhaps my CDs on CD baby under my name would be a fairer sound to compare, even though I am still performing all the instruments at once. But at least you take out the complete distraction of the goals of busking which is non musical and not exactly easy to pull off while performing multiple instruments at the same time. So how about you dig up a one man band performing live who you feel is of a much higher musical quality than what you hear on my CD. Then you might be approaching a fair comparison.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Nabby, this has been a pointless criticism. If you are a critic, you can verbally describe the differences between Curtis and other musicians as regards style, technique and so forth; if you can't do that, you are not even a critic. Artists regard critics the way fire hydrants regard dogs because they tend to be destructive rather than constructive. If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? What is your real gripe with Curtis? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. We know they are dead so that goes without saying. Hopefully you are not so out of touch with reality as you come across that you compare yourself in any possible way with these musicians.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apocalypse Porn
On 10/25/2014 6:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: We've certainly seen a similar 'tude in the TM movement. Anyone who paid their dues and spent time as a TM teacher (meaning NOT Jim Flanegin, Lawson, Judy Stein, Richard Williams and those other poseurs) has been exposed to all of the carefully-planted memes about the terrible things that will happen to them if they ever stopped meditating or (horrors!) fell Off The Program. THAT is Apocalypse Porn, too, just on a smaller level. Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. /I am essentially of the buddhist persuasion, and as such believe neither in a first creation nor a Creator. /- Uncle Tantra alt.religion.gnostic: http://tinyurl.com/o3q9zwa /'The Tibetan Book of the Dead: The Great Liberation through Hearing in the Bardo'/ by Chogyam Trungpa and Francesca Fremantle http://tinyurl.com/nj3dy9m
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
On 10/25/2014 9:56 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, I agree that this was a pretty awful thing that turq said about you. The thing is, how can we stop these tsunamis of mean spiritedness? It takes at least two opposing people to keep them going. Why not just point out erroneous info and or say you disagree strongly with someone? But with no nasty, personal comments thrown in. Is that so difficult to do?! /Good points, Share. Has anyone else noticed an increase in Barry's cognitive dissonance? It's almost like he was talking to himself in the mirror these days. Go figure./ On 10/24/2014 7:52 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com mailto:turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: It's one thing to actually believe the delusional crap he seems to believe about Maharishi and the non-existent ME. That's just a senile person refusing to let go of the delusions he glommed onto as a youth. /The only reason Richard's percentage of total posts was so low during the week ending August 30 is that Dan Friedman tried to emulate Richard's Net terrorist approach and made 252 posts of his own, increasing the noise but decreasing Richard's noise ratio. - /TurquoiseB/ // //http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg327828.html/ Where he crosses the line is in calling you a terrorist. That's a pretty dangerous thing to brand someone with in this day and age on an Internet forum on which it can be accessed by any search engine. Rick reacted properly a while back when I pointed out to him that Richard was going around calling Michael a criminal, implying (falsely) that he was selling drugs, which is a felony in Iowa. /Correction: Richard was complaining because it appeared as if Michael wasn't putting *enough* weed in the cookies - not that Michael was selling drugs on the MUM campus. Michaela had already claimed that //weed smoking was rampant on campus at the time. It was a joke, Barry, but you ran to Rick like a fink. Go figure./ Rick promised to ban Richard if he did it again. Now Buck is calling people terrorists for simply criticizing the cult he belongs to. Yeah, we all know he's senile, but there has to be a limit to what he's allowed to get away with. /There is no sanity left there to appeal to in a person who posts this compulsively, and this consistently compulsively. Nuke this guy so we can forget him entirely, as if he had never existed. - /TurquoiseB/ http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg327828.html/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anartaxius@... wrote : Nabby, this has been a pointless criticism. If you are a critic, you can verbally describe the differences between Curtis and other musicians as regards style, technique and so forth; if you can't do that, you are not even a critic. Artists regard critics the way fire hydrants regard dogs because they tend to be destructive rather than constructive. If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? What is your real gripe with Curtis? M: Thanks, that kinda says it all. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. We know they are dead so that goes without saying. Hopefully you are not so out of touch with reality as you come across that you compare yourself in any possible way with these musicians.
[FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines
Elon Musk warns of the dangers of artificial intelligence. Is he right? http://www.cnbc.com/id/102121127?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstoryamp;par=yahooamp;doc=102121127#. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102121127?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstoryamp;par=yahooamp;doc=102121127#.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Apocalypse Porn
I watched the trailer for this and put it in my watch when it comes to Netflix list which will probably be in a couple months given that the Cage's Rage seemed to do that too. We did discuss the Left Behind books here several years ago after I mistakenly rented one of the DVDs. Of course HBO did a take on the theme in a different way with The Leftovers where only 2% of the population were raptured and they couldn't figure out why it took some folks like Gary Busey. More of an emotional exploration of folks left behind. As for FFL, it is pretty representative of about any other anything goes group on the Internet these days. Badminton has progressed to volleyball as teams compete here instead of one on one. And a lot of the topics are very, very boring. Like Alex I can't figure out why people get all wrapped up in these other than they are feeling left behind (didn't make it to enlightenment this lifetime). As for movies. Folks here with Netflix might like the tantric supernatural Mr. Jones. It's a found footage movie about a couple who discovers mystical scarecrow sculptures in the woods and realizes that the creator of these famous sculptures lives nearby but has eluded the public for years. It's a weird film but rated only PG-13 so pretty safe for this crowd. But a fabulous movie is Proxy which got high ratings on Netflix and deservedly so. It starts out like a Lifetime movie about a young pregnant woman who loses her baby after a violent attack. But at the 30 minute point things begin going awry. At times it reminded me of a Hitchcock thriller with some Tarantino tossed in. There are a lot of twists to the storyline. Rated probably not for Buck as it has some violent scenes but Fairfielders might feel very at home because it is an indie film made in the midwest (Indiana). The director/co-writer threw in some amusing things in it too which I can't discuss as it would be spoilers. On 10/25/2014 04:04 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: What if there were a type of fiction that -- intentionally -- catered to believers in religious fantasies that predict a coming apocalypse that (according to their dogma) will kill all but the most faithful believers? What would its primary characteristics be? Well, if you believe that True Believers of apocalyptic fantasies *are* actually focused on the things they tell people they're focused on, it would be about the joys of being saved, and how their unwavering faith saved them, while so many others perished. But that's not really true. What the fiction designed to appeal to these True Believers focuses on are the Terrible Things That Are Going To Happen To The Non-Believers™. There will be page after page of terrible things happening to people who aren't on the Believer Bus -- bombs going off, planes crashing from the skies, terrorism, floods, riots, etc. These NON-God-fearing people will disappear, be torn apart, be tortured, be blown up, and more. And this will happen over and over and over, so that the True Believers will be presented with a morality tale similar to paintings of Hell by Hieronymus Bosch that supports their group fantasy of being special, and other people *NOT* being special. In fact, these non-believers are SO not special that they're all going to die in horrible ways. Think I'm exaggerating? Well, welcome to the Left Behind series of books. 10 books, which have now sold over 65 million copies, almost ALL sold to evangelical Christians who believe in dispensationalist prophecies, almost ALL of them living in America. (The books have not sold well anywhere else on earth, which says something about the collective religious insanity that is the United States.) Think my title for this post is sensational? The Left Behind books are LITERALLY Apocalypse Porn. And now there's Left Behind, the movie. It's a remake, actually, preceded by a series of earlier low-budget, direct-to-DVD movies starring evangelical Christian nut case Kirk Cameron. That movie didn't do very well, so Hollywood decided to do what they do best and do a big-budget remake of it, starring Nicolas Cage. Anyone who saw the loathsome remake of The Wicker Man starring Cage knows that their choice of star is a tipoff as to the quality of the movie and what to expect. For the first half hour of the movie, it's just tedious, all exposition and introducing characters that you *hope* are all going to die so you don't have to watch them for a full two hours. Then the Rapture happens, and the immediate onscreen action starts switching between a plane in which Nick Cage is the pilot and back on earth, where his daughter is wandering around a shopping center. Daughter is hugging her younger brother, and suddenly finds herself hugging empty clothes. Up in the air, Cage's co-pilot disappears, as do many of the passengers. Elsewhere, there is the very Apocalypse Porn you would
[FairfieldLife] UFO Caught on Camera
This is the best clip I've seen so far. What do you think? Real UFO With Aliens Caught On Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 Real UFO With Aliens Caught On Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 This is 100% the best UFO + Alien sighting ever! See for yourself! Location: Reutlingen Ohmenhausen, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany. Audio Color... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the Machines
The dangers of human intelligence are known well enough. Maybe we should try something different? The problem is we are creating AI, if it mimics us, we can expect it to do the things we do. Regardless of whether we regard machines as conscious or not (an unanswered philosophical question), machines can be aware of their environment in a mechanistic sense (suspiciously like how we are aware of our environment). A real AI machine would be a self learner and how dangerous such a machine might be would probably be determined how autonomously it can function in the world and how complex its neural net is. This has been the fodder of science fiction (Colossus:The Forbin Project; 2001: A Space Odyssey and the Terminator series of motion pictures) where the technology goes awry. On the other hand science fiction has positive examples of this (City; The Bicentennial Man; The City and the Stars; and I Robot to name a few novels) where artificial intelligence is generally presented as beneficial in relation to biological organisms. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : Elon Musk warns of the dangers of artificial intelligence. Is he right? http://www.cnbc.com/id/102121127?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstoryamp;par=yahooamp;doc=102121127#. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102121127?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstoryamp;par=yahooamp;doc=102121127#.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Caught on Camera
Are they making a crop circle? Still, it's nice to get a wave from the Space Brothers, though it seems they forgot to operate their mind erase machine... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This is the best clip I've seen so far. What do you think? Real UFO With Aliens Caught On Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 Real UFO With Aliens Caught On Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 This is 100% the best UFO + Alien sighting ever! See for yourself! Location: Reutlingen Ohmenhausen, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany. Audio Color... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,, # # Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Collins Complains
and, when again, did his indecencies occur? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : He should just take the Alfred E. Newman way of What? Me worry? After all, he is a decades long practitioner of TM and the TM Siddhi Program which we all know is 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone! So he has got to have a great deal of support of nature going for him. Plus he can always wear expensive jyotish gem stones and get yagyas done. I wonder if they have a yagya for getting people to not look at you as a pedophile anymore? Heck, he should just get a job with the Movement. We all know how well they stick up for people who have done stuff for them in the past. Stephen Collins' Wife -- He's Unemployable Because He's a Pedophile! http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/25/stephen-collins-wife-released-recording-lost-income-child-molester/ Stephen Collins' estranged wife is indignant he's bellyaching he can't get work because of that audiotape in which he '7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins - Confesses on Tape to Child Molestation ... NYPD Investigating http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephen-collins-child-molestation-7th-heaven-audio-tape-nypd-investigation/ ... Faye Grant says the real reason he can't get work is because he's a pedophile. Collins' lawyer, Mark Vincent Kaplan, filed legal docs saying, Faye's decision to parade that recording ... has resulted in Stephen having no income other than investment income and pension income. Now Grant's lawyer, legal pitbull Marty Singer, tells TMZ, The tape has nothing to do with Mr. Collins' plight. It is Mr. Collins' horrific conduct and actions that have caused him damage. Singer calls Collins a pedophile, adding, It is also unfortunate that Mr. Kaplan is attempting to justify his client's conduct by diverting blame onto third parties.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
well, it's also as you said previously, Richard, experiencing unbounded awareness is pretty much its own verification. I remember, as an aside, someone asking Maharishi, (this was on a tape), why is the experience of unbounded awareness blissful. His response was that, that is its nature. The person kept pressing him, and finally he said, why is water wet?, why does fire burn?. It is its nature. Sure, I guess you can unpack the experience of unbounded awareness we can have when we meditate, but it appears to me, at least, to be an enjoyable experience at the time we experience it, and when that broadened awareness carries over into activity, or even sleeping and dreaming as well, although in my case, I don't notice it in those other two states as much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote : On 10/24/2014 7:40 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Richard, you want something silly? I give you something silly. Barry is having a near panic attack, pleading, insisting that someone explain to him the importance of the experience of unbounded awareness. I guess he's got a turd he wants to drop on that or something. But, here. Get this. Ask Barry to explain, how as a declared atheist, he explains karma, and rebirth, (which he is on record of buying into), and he mumbles, It's not important. It doesn't matter. No, not important at all Richard, explain that to me, please,it you can. Go figure? No. I haven't figured that out. The condition is called cognitive dissonance - that's when a person holds two or more conflicting beliefs at the same time. Barry used to be a professed Buddhist who believed in karma and a Self or Spirit that reincarnates after biological death. Logically in order for metempsychosis to work there must be a reincarnating soul-monad - a self that reincarnates - a person that reaps the karma of past or present actions. But the historical Buddha denied the existence of the Atman. Go figure. Barry posted this information to alt.religion.gnostic several years ago and he also mentioned on FFL his belief in the Tibetan Bardo state. Barry apparently studied American Buddhism under the Zen Master Rama and converted in 1977. This sets up the dissonance conflict because some people get confused by not understanding why some people who go around doing good and have good intentions, are yet forced to suffer and vice-versa - many times people that go around doing bad things, get rewarded. The theory of karma or causation is almost inconceivable. So, what happened to Barry is simple: after living in NE for so many years, he obviously has succumbed to peer pressure and has been turned into a materialist or a naive realist. You can understand how easy it is to get mentally brain-washed by reading about young people that go radical after watching just a single video. Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. Go figure. It is sometimes very difficult to stay on a spiritual path when your own family and friends don't believe in anything and you feel like a stranger in a strange land. Sometimes people tend to conform to the level of consciousness that surrounds them and they begin to reflect that on social media. It's not complicated.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : On 10/24/2014 8:44 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This sounds like a pretzeling moment It seems dirt simple to me. We are all bound by karma, which means actions, past and present. If a person does good deeds, he or she will be reborn in a better life. On the other hand, if a person does bad things, in the past or present, he or she will get reborn in hell, or a less than satisfactory situation. It's not complicated. In some rare cases, if a person follows a spiritual path, does the work and realizes enlightenment, that person, if he or she has really good karma, may not have to be reborn again, unless they choose to do so, to help the rest of the world get free. But, you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get. So, based on my experience, what I've been told and what I have figured out - I believe in Life; what it does to you and what you do back. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote : Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a belief in God is a form of mental illness. On 10/24/2014 12:03 AM, blue_bungalow_2@... mailto:blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This could explain how Winthrop and Albert worked on the non-weapon part, of an exclusively
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Michael, I'm afraid you are deserving of the scorn heaped upon you, short being compared with a terrorist. Are you know implying that Nat Goldhaber, (whoever he is) is on the same plane as a pedophile? Is that the impression you are trying to make? Do think that fact that Stephen Collins admitted to these crimes which occurred over 20 years ago, might have some bearing on the situation? Like I said, Michael, I regard you as pretty pitiful human being, at least in this instance, posting the same type crap we sometimes get from Nabbie. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Jimmie thinks you are both unsuccessful since you don't do TM or praise TM. That seems to be the TM'er signpost of success, see how the Movement uses celebrity endorsement to pawn their drivel off on the masses. The implication of the endorsement being if you too do TM you can be as successful as Hugh Jackman and so on. If you listened to Gina Catena's talk I posted here last night you have heard at the end of the tape a TM shill name of Nat Goldhaber - he spent five minutes blabbering about his success and how fine he was. I reckon they have forgotten how successful Stephen Collins once was, you know, before he was outed as a pedophile? From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker says, Same shit, different day. It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as provocative as dirt. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous yet when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse Porn
Hey Barry, let me play the Curtis card. Give me one example of a lie I have told in regards to you. I thought so ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:53 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse Porn ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : What if there were a type of fiction that -- intentionally -- catered to believers in religious fantasies that predict a coming apocalypse that (according to their dogma) will kill all but the most faithful believers? What would its primary characteristics be? M: I believe it is called the book of Revelations! You nailed why such a psychotic rant was included in the books of the Bible. One aspect of heaven that was added later was the idea that you not only are in Heaven with God, not good enough, you get to see the sinners burn in hell like an eternal Halloween scare-a-thon movie week schedule. I think you have nailed in a different way the core of Jim and Nabbie's behavior here toward you and Michael and me. It is pretty ugly. They have twisted living well is the best revenge into telling stories about them not living well will be our revenge. This is the continuum that leads to the inquisition. It is in our human nature deep. The routine they ran on Michael was the next step out there IMO, equating him with terrorists. Very ugly stuff. It's a very strange mindset, this Inquisition stuff. Nabby's *always* been like this, and I think Jim has picked it up lately since it's become apparent that he can't point to a single person on the planet who actually believes his tales of being enlightened. Jim's entire life seems to revolve around these fantasized stories he tells about himself, so when NO ONE believes them, he panics, and feels he has to lash out and tell equally made-up stories about other people. What is more disturbing is when people like Steve and Buck do exactly the same thing. Bottom line, as you address in other threads, is that they've all seemingly sunk to the level of Richard Williams, willing to lie and make up things to get the people they don't like. Their anger is so great and their cognitive dissonance buttons are so pushed that they really *don't see anything wrong with this*. They seem to think they're actually somehow defending TM and acting as good examples of TMers while lying like this.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Look Barry, for 20 years you've been complaining about how dull this place is, and how you can barely be bothered to participate, in about 35 posts a week. And further, you are on record saying that what you like to do is push people's buttons' Now, tell me, do you want to include Alex in the list of your detractors, who recently commented on the toxicity of your participation here? I'll wait. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Good rant. And timely. The fascinating thing is that, were she still around, I'd bet that even Judy wouldn't stand for this level of lying from Jim and Nabby. She would point out that our posts seem to indicate that we're living quite well, thank you, and would challenge these idiots to produce even ONE post in which we've said or even implied anything like Our lives suck. Our lives DON'T suck. They're pretty fulfilling, actually. And they're pretty cool *without* us having to believe in all that mumbo-jumbo that TMers feel they have to believe in to get any attention from their fellow TMers. THAT is what I think pisses Jim and Nabby (and to a lesser extent Steve and Buck) off the most -- the obvious fact that we can get people to like us by Just Being Ourselves. They can't. So they project *their* fantasies of what an apostate's life must be like onto us, and try to portray us as the losers they'd imagine *themselves* being if they no longer had the safety of being in a cult group and all of the stories they tell about themselves. Jim knows that without his silly claims of being enlightened he's nothing. And IMO he's also beginning to realize that absolutely NO ONE actually *believes* his enlightenment stories, so that IS what he is -- nothing. So he lashes out and makes up anything he thinks will get us. The rest of the Inquisitors do the same thing, for their own reasons. You knew this was coming the moment you refused to jump on the Get Barry bandwagon, right? You knew it was coming the moment you stood up for people's rights to express beliefs that run counter to the established TM On The Program beliefs. The minute you did that, you became a target again. Nothing really ever changes in cult land. From: curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, My life sucks, M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,) What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on your fantasy that Barry and I are unsuccessful. Nabbie clings to his fantasy that I am a beggar. What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are attempting to win by attrition. I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your story you will both continue the same thing. It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both know that don't we? but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how horrible, how beautifully distracting!!. As the bumper sticker
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
On 10/25/2014 4:38 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. /Apparently nobody knows what's happening with the movement, least of all MJ, 1500 miles and 15 years removed. We are all outsiders, even if some of us meditate in the dome. That's because nothing is going on with the movement - if there was something going on with the movement, we could all watch it move. If Rick and Alex don't know what is going on inside the movement, probably nobody else does either. Go figure./ One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. *From:* dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness *salyavin808*asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Really nice Curtis! I was smiling from start to finish. And real nice interaction with the audience. IMO, I think you artist performance has continued to improve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still object to you demand to be taken seriously music-wise. M: I never demand anyone to take me seriously music-wise. I am satisfied and my paying customers are satisfied, that is good enough for me. N: But let not me be the judge, anyone interested can make their own opinion: M: Fair enough. Here is something more recent, 2008, but I also dig that old video. I am a fan of all the guys you posted. Music is not a zero sum game, there is room for lots of artists. I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 This is a short film of Curtis Blues discussing and performing the Walking Blues by Robert Johnson on Robert's 100th birthday May 8th 20011. Award ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo Now a few of those not making noise on street corners pretending to be artists: R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Line (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Lin... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside at home in Independence, Mississippi, shot by Alan Lomax, Worth Long, and John Bishop in August, 1978. For more information about the America... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M Preview by Yahoo Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 fragm. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche B... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 DVD - http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4032911 - It Hurts Me Too - Old Man... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King, 1982 Jammin With Blues Greats View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Preview by Yahoo Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Montreux Jazz Festival, 7 July 1990 The Messiah Will Come Again (Roy Buchanan) Personnel: Don Airey - Keyboards Andy Pyle - Bass guitar Gr... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Preview by Yahoo The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I Music video of Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix (The Jimi Hendrix Experience) View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Our
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collins Complains
On 10/25/2014 4:39 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: and, when again, did his indecencies occur? Forty years ago? No charges have been filed. Go figure. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : He should just take the Alfred E. Newman way of What? Me worry? After all, he is a decades long practitioner of TM and the TM Siddhi Program which we all know is 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone! So he has got to have a great deal of support of nature going for him. Plus he can always wear expensive jyotish gem stones and get yagyas done. I wonder if they have a yagya for getting people to not look at you as a pedophile anymore? Heck, he should just get a job with the Movement. We all know how well they stick up for people who have done stuff for them in the past. Stephen Collins' Wife -- He's Unemployable Because He's a Pedophile! *Stephen Collins'* estranged wife is indignant he's bellyaching he can't get work because of that audiotape in which he *'7th Heaven' Dad Stephen Collins - Confesses on Tape to Child Molestation ... NYPD Investigating http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/07/stephen-collins-child-molestation-7th-heaven-audio-tape-nypd-investigation/* ...*Faye Grant* says the real reason he can't get work is because he's a pedophile. Collins' lawyer, *Mark Vincent Kaplan*, filed legal docs saying, Faye's decision to parade that recording ... has resulted in Stephen having no income other than investment income and pension income. Now Grant's lawyer, legal pitbull *Marty Singer*, tells TMZ, The tape has nothing to do with Mr. Collins' plight. It is Mr. Collins' horrific conduct and actions that have caused him damage. Singer calls Collins a pedophile, adding, It is also unfortunate that Mr. Kaplan is attempting to justify his client's conduct by diverting blame onto third parties.
[FairfieldLife] TMing superstars
Its not just Presidents of republics like Dilma Rousseff and Juan Manuel Santos but the question about superstars of stage and screen and music is more who is not TMing rather than who is!! Meditating Stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK6uh-lgu0wlist=UUvMnoQUEVCAf8MHDTnfBqMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK6uh-lgu0wlist=UUvMnoQUEVCAf8MHDTnfBqMg Meditating Stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK6uh-lgu0wlist=UUvMnoQUEVCAf8MHDTnfBqMg Experiencing the Transcendental Meditation technique: David Lynch, Clint Eastwood, Martin Scorsese, Jerry Seinfeld, Hugh Jackman, Jim Carrey... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK6uh-lgu0wlist=UUvMnoQUEVCAf8MHDTnfBqMg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Collins Complains
complete rehabilitation and complete support of nature!
[FairfieldLife] overcoming depression with TM
pharmaceuticals did not work but a program that included TM did Gayarthri Ramprasad: Exercise, meditation and therapy help hold major depression at bay http://www.minnpost.com/mental-health-addiction/2014/09/gayarthri-ramprasad-exercise-meditation-and-therapy-help-hold-major- http://www.minnpost.com/mental-health-addiction/2014/09/gayarthri-ramprasad-exercise-meditation-and-therapy-help-hold-major- Gayarthri Ramprasad: Exercise, meditation and th... http://www.minnpost.com/mental-health-addiction/2014/09/gayarthri-ramprasad-exercise-meditation-and-therapy-help-hold-major- On Oct. 9 at 7 p.m., Ramprasad will be at St. Paul’s Fitzgerald theater as one of the featured guests on “A Celebration of Women in Recovery.” View on www.minnpost.com http://www.minnpost.com/mental-health-addiction/2014/09/gayarthri-ramprasad-exercise-meditation-and-therapy-help-hold-major- Preview by Yahoo
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Steve, just to set the record straight concerning MJ's allegations: all of these meetings are held on the MUM campus; the large group meetings are co-chaired by an MUM leader and a community psychologist; James Bedinger has not been in attendance at any of the meetings; the incredible meeting last week was chaired by a long term MUM and community leader. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:38 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808asks:So,what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they goingto do about it? DatelineFairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation ofworking meetings held about mental health in the community that havebeen ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under theworking banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These areworking meetings of people who are interested in being activleyinvolved in helping with communal mental health. On alternatingTuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays isthe large group meeting where the committees bring their work. Thelarger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot hasbeen done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months tofacilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are opento interested people who would be actively involved. They are notgripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but workingmeetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate.Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previousmeeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation anddistribution of the campus guideline for psychological healthtreatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the culturalthings that may underlie meditator communal mental health.Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rankin the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of thewhole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, andmovement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lastingwithin and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak andparticipate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone wasasked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questionsin short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and posterboards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read throughout the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words andwithout statement what do you see the problem is here in thecommunity culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went aroundthe room. Then once everything was on the boards in front ofeveryone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about allthat was said? It went around the room to everyone includingmovement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range offeelings.Lastlarge question of the group was something like, in five words whatshould be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again timewas taken to go entirely around the room and the answers wererecorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read.That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These werepertinent action points. Inthe end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were themost important points offered in the meeting. That data then willsubsequently
Re: [FairfieldLife] Remember.....
Nice reminder, salyavin, thanks. Wonder what he meant by aged...
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
but they were not organized by MUM and they still resist the whole thing - if not they wouldn't be putting forth this bullshit Vedic psychology From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Steve, just to set the record straight concerning MJ's allegations: all of these meetings are held on the MUM campus; the large group meetings are co-chaired by an MUM leader and a community psychologist; James Bedinger has not been in attendance at any of the meetings; the incredible meeting last week was chaired by a long term MUM and community leader. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:38 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
First of all I do not regard him as an musician, he's an enthusiast. On that basis: 1. He plays technically like an amateur, I've seen 10 year olds play better. 2. He can't sing and compensate by screaming. 3. He's a copycat without an original bone to his playing. 4. There is no feeling in his music which he tries to compensate by loudness, noise and showmanship.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Curtis got a lot of enthusiasm, one must give him credit for that. Enthusiasm is the hallmark of an amateur, restraint that of an artist. By claiming to be an artist he makes a fool of himself, much like the clown on the video. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really nice Curtis! I was smiling from start to finish. And real nice interaction with the audience. Yes, the 5-year-olds were smiling. IMO, I think you artist performance has continued to improve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still object to you demand to be taken seriously music-wise. M: I never demand anyone to take me seriously music-wise. I am satisfied and my paying customers are satisfied, that is good enough for me. N: But let not me be the judge, anyone interested can make their own opinion: M: Fair enough. Here is something more recent, 2008, but I also dig that old video. I am a fan of all the guys you posted. Music is not a zero sum game, there is room for lots of artists. I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 This is a short film of Curtis Blues discussing and performing the Walking Blues by Robert Johnson on Robert's 100th birthday May 8th 20011. Award ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo Now a few of those not making noise on street corners pretending to be artists: R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Line (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Lin... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside at home in Independence, Mississippi, shot by Alan Lomax, Worth Long, and John Bishop in August, 1978. For more information about the America... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M Preview by Yahoo Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 fragm. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche B... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 DVD - http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4032911 - It Hurts Me Too - Old Man... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King, 1982 Jammin With Blues Greats View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Preview by Yahoo Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Montreux Jazz Festival, 7 July 1990 The Messiah Will Come Again (Roy Buchanan) Personnel: Don Airey - Keyboards Andy Pyle - Bass guitar Gr... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Preview by Yahoo The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjwWjx7Cw8I The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video)
[FairfieldLife] GISELE BUNDCHEN ON TM
She says she gets up at 5:30am so she can do TM and it is worth it! Gisele Bündchen: Acordo à s 5h30 para meditar http://epoca.globo.com/vida/noticia/2014/09/gisele-bundchen-bacordob-5h30-para-meditar.html http://epoca.globo.com/vida/noticia/2014/09/gisele-bundchen-bacordob-5h30-para-meditar.html Gisele Bündchen: Acordo à s 5h30 para meditarquo... http://epoca.globo.com/vida/noticia/2014/09/gisele-bundchen-bacordob-5h30-para-meditar.html A supermodelo conta como conseguiu disciplina para levantar antes dos dois filhos e praticar meditação por 20 minutos. Ela diz que o sacrifÃcio co... View on epoca.globo.com http://epoca.globo.com/vida/noticia/2014/09/gisele-bundchen-bacordob-5h30-para-meditar.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: GISELE BUNDCHEN ON TM
Oh for fuck's sake. Are you really presenting her testimony as relevant here?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I recommend you to listen to the video I posted by Robert Johnson. Where is the showmanship in this ? There isn't any because his heart is in it. When you listen to this, perhaps you better understand my disgust when fellows like Curtis comes along claiming to play the blues. Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
These meetings are held on the MUM campus and are co-chaired by an MUM leader and attended by others of the MUM community. Such active support imo does not constitute what MJ calls resisting the whole thing. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:58 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: but they were not organized by MUM and they still resist the whole thing - if not they wouldn't be putting forth this bullshit Vedic psychology From: Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Steve, just to set the record straight concerning MJ's allegations: all of these meetings are held on the MUM campus; the large group meetings are co-chaired by an MUM leader and a community psychologist; James Bedinger has not been in attendance at any of the meetings; the incredible meeting last week was chaired by a long term MUM and community leader. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:38 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808asks:So,what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they goingto do about it? DatelineFairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation ofworking meetings held about mental health in the community that havebeen ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under theworking banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These areworking meetings of people who are interested in being activleyinvolved in helping with communal mental health. On alternatingTuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays isthe large group meeting where the committees bring their work. Thelarger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot hasbeen done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months tofacilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are opento interested people who would be actively involved. They are notgripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but workingmeetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate.Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previousmeeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation anddistribution of the campus guideline for psychological healthtreatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the culturalthings that may underlie meditator communal mental health.Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rankin the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of thewhole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, andmovement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lastingwithin and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak andparticipate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone wasasked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questionsin short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and posterboards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read throughout the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words andwithout statement what do you see the problem is here in thecommunity culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went aroundthe room. Then once everything was on the boards in front ofeveryone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
You are full of it Nappy, as you are about most everything Here is a video of Curtis from7 years ago. He is a damn good blues man - he can play guitar and mouth harp at the same time better than you can walk and chew gum at the same time. His music and performances do more for the world than waiting on some non-existent world teacher to appear in England to save everyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9g1Cen_uJs Curtis Blues - Walk'n Blues View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo From: nablusoss1008 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Curtis got a lot of enthusiasm, one must give him credit for that. Enthusiasm is the hallmark of an amateur, restraint that of an artist. By claiming to be an artist he makes a fool of himself, much like the clown on the video. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really nice Curtis! I was smiling from start to finish. And real nice interaction with the audience. Yes, the 5-year-olds were smiling. IMO, I think you artist performance has continued to improve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still object to you demand to be taken seriously music-wise. M: I never demand anyone to take me seriously music-wise. I am satisfied and my paying customers are satisfied, that is good enough for me. N: But let not me be the judge, anyone interested can make their own opinion: M: Fair enough. Here is something more recent, 2008, but I also dig that old video. I am a fan of all the guys you posted. Music is not a zero sum game, there is room for lots of artists. I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100t... This is a short film of Curtis Blues discussing and performing the Walking Blues by Robert Johnson on Robert's 100th birthday May 8th 20011. Award ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Now a few of those not making noise on street corners pretending to be artists: R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Line (1978) R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Lin... R.L. Burnside at home in Independence, Mississippi, shot by Alan Lomax, Worth Long, and John Bishop in August, 1978. For more information about the America... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 fragm. 1 Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche B... Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 DVD - http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4032911 - It Hurts Me Too - Old Man... View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv Mick Taylor Albert King, 1982 Jammin With Blues Greats View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) Montreux Jazz Festival, 7 July 1990 The Messiah Will Come Again (Roy Buchanan) Personnel: Don Airey - Keyboards Andy Pyle - Bass guitar Gr... View on www.youtube.comPreview by Yahoo The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple Haze (Music Video) Music video of Purple Haze by Jimi Hendrix (The Jimi Hendrix Experience) View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Our disagreement boils down to the word art. M: We are not disagreeing, you just don't understand what it means. It is a field of human activity, it is not a statement of value. I get hired as a teaching artist in schools to bring in the art of music. Some others bring in dance. If you don't like a dancer has your opinion removed them from the field of the humanities and now they are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
M: Thanks for the well intentioned advice Nabs. I'll take it to heart. What I am getting from you is that when I am singing outside without a mike to an audience many meters away, I should sound more like a guy sitting in the corner of a quiet recording room inches from a mike. And when I am covering a fast Elmore James song I should play it like another song that is slower. You got some mighty fine ears on ya boy! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : If Curtis were as bad as you say, what do you think he should do to improve? Good question. First of all I'd recommend practise, practise, practise. He could start by hitting one note at a time, just one note and listening to it, how it sounds, vibrates and how the sound slowly disappears. Just that, very simply and innoscently create one sound, and then listen to it, how pleasing is that sound, does it sound better doing it in another way ? And again, and again, and again. By doing this one acquires an understanding of the basics and a love for the note itself. Without this basics one is lost and will never achieve anything. One should understand that the ability to play fast on any instrument is not the same as playing music. To be able to play slowly is the hallmark of a professional. Many amateurs, like Curtis, make this mistake; they skip the basics and try to convey too much. I recommend you to listen to the video I posted by Robert Johnson. Where is the showmanship in this ? There isn't any because his heart is in it. When you listen to this, perhaps you better understand my disgust when fellows like Curtis comes along claiming to play the blues. Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] US Having Its Coolest Year On Record
Posted on October 25, 2014 http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/10/25/us-having-its-coolest-year-on-record/ by stevengoddard http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/author/stevengoddard/ The percentage of US HCN stations to reach 90 degrees was the smallest on record this year, with four of the five coolest years occurring above 350 PPM CO2. The most widespread heat occurred in 1931, when more than 98% of stations were over 90 degrees. https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_4028-oct-25-11-17.jpg https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_4028-oct-25-11-17.jpg https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_4028-oct-25-11-17.jpg https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screen... https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_4028-oct-25-11-17.jpg View on stevengoddard.files.w... https://stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/screenhunter_4028-oct-25-11-17.jpg Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Share, what other conclusion is there to draw other than this guy is a total idiot. There was never much interest on his part to try to keep facts straight, but this fabricating out of whole cloth is an escalation. His behavior is that of a spurned lover, so it does elicit some measure of compassion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote : Steve, just to set the record straight concerning MJ's allegations: all of these meetings are held on the MUM campus; the large group meetings are co-chaired by an MUM leader and a community psychologist; James Bedinger has not been in attendance at any of the meetings; the incredible meeting last week was chaired by a long term MUM and community leader. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:38 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
poor Michael. trying to salvage some measure of credibility. look Michael, don't even worry about. expectations of your ability to maintain any degree of objectivity, are, well, nil. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : but they were not organized by MUM and they still resist the whole thing - if not they wouldn't be putting forth this bullshit Vedic psychology From: Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Steve, just to set the record straight concerning MJ's allegations: all of these meetings are held on the MUM campus; the large group meetings are co-chaired by an MUM leader and a community psychologist; James Bedinger has not been in attendance at any of the meetings; the incredible meeting last week was chaired by a long term MUM and community leader. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 4:38 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: well, you are the foremost scholar on the movement, of course, no matter if you are 1500 miles and 15 years removed, you still appear to know what goes on on every level of the organization. One burning question though. When one of your TM alerts comes in, at say 2:00 in the morning, you do right then and there get up to check it out, or do you at least wait until you wake up? Just curious. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : the most salient point of all this is that it is being done OUTSIDE the Movement - it is NOT being conducted by the Movement, nor the university thou they may be involved to some extent (you know Beddinger has to be there to take names). The Movement will NEVER acknowledge anything this sensible unless they are forced to. From: dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 8:17 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness salyavin808 asks: So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it? Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I think we got it nablus. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : First of all I do not regard him as an musician, he's an enthusiast. On that basis: 1. He plays technically like an amateur, I've seen 10 year olds play better. 2. He can't sing and compensate by screaming. 3. He's a copycat without an original bone to his playing. 4. There is no feeling in his music which he tries to compensate by loudness, noise and showmanship.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
nablus, you are editing this post implying that I've said things that I haven't. I think you've made clear your opinion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Curtis got a lot of enthusiasm, one must give him credit for that. Enthusiasm is the hallmark of an amateur, restraint that of an artist. By claiming to be an artist he makes a fool of himself, much like the clown on the video. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really nice Curtis! I was smiling from start to finish. And real nice interaction with the audience. Yes, the 5-year-olds were smiling. IMO, I think you artist performance has continued to improve. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : I still object to you demand to be taken seriously music-wise. M: I never demand anyone to take me seriously music-wise. I am satisfied and my paying customers are satisfied, that is good enough for me. N: But let not me be the judge, anyone interested can make their own opinion: M: Fair enough. Here is something more recent, 2008, but I also dig that old video. I am a fan of all the guys you posted. Music is not a zero sum game, there is room for lots of artists. I am able to play a bit more enthusiastically these days than the 4 dead guys you listed however. Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100th birthday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Curtis Blues, one man band, on Robert Johnson's 100t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 This is a short film of Curtis Blues discussing and performing the Walking Blues by Robert Johnson on Robert's 100th birthday May 8th 20011. Award ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dwJASLnAk8 Preview by Yahoo Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Curtis Blues Pre Delta War Blues. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Went to visit the Grandparents in old town, and ran into Curtis Blues, before we knew the kids were part of the band. See the CNN piece on him at the bottom ... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUk7NexVhGk Preview by Yahoo Now a few of those not making noise on street corners pretending to be artists: R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Line (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside: See My Jumper Hanging On the Lin... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M R.L. Burnside at home in Independence, Mississippi, shot by Alan Lomax, Worth Long, and John Bishop in August, 1978. For more information about the America... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_DOnKJ232M Preview by Yahoo Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Robert Johnson - Kind Hearted Woman Blues (1936) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A This Song contains the only guitar solo Robert Johnson ever recorded. I very good example for his amazing talent. He plays rhythm and lead guitar on one inst... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82yNxiF-T4A Preview by Yahoo Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 fragm. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche B... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Music Maker Blues Foundation - Jazzwoche Burghausen 2011 DVD - http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4032911 - It Hurts Me Too - Old Man... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnrwbJemnbI Preview by Yahoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTT7ysjma2U Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King.wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Mick Taylor Albert King, 1982 Jammin With Blues Greats View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oO4q4Zl-GY Preview by Yahoo Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Gary Moore - Covers-Solo At Montreux (favorites) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Montreux Jazz Festival, 7 July 1990 The Messiah Will Come Again (Roy Buchanan) Personnel: Don Airey - Keyboards Andy Pyle - Bass guitar Gr... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26h_XiOZfPQ Preview by Yahoo The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Purple
[FairfieldLife] Re: UFO Caught on Camera
It looks like the ET is taking a walk on the grass before he takes off to the air. If this was a fake video, it was well done, particularly the take off and the acceleration to light. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Are they making a crop circle? Still, it's nice to get a wave from the Space Brothers, though it seems they forgot to operate their mind erase machine... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : This is the best clip I've seen so far. What do you think? Real UFO With Aliens Caught On Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 Real UFO With Aliens Caught On Camera https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 This is 100% the best UFO + Alien sighting ever! See for yourself! Location: Reutlingen Ohmenhausen, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany. Audio Color... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBp3ai-xG8 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] TM Scorpion Renegades
Hey Sal, you ever do any rounding in this joint? http://www.meditationtrust.com/transcendental-meditation-retreat/ Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat Learn Transcendental Meditation on Retreat with the Meditation Trust, experienced teachers of meditation, at our tranquil countryside retreat near London View on www.meditationtrust.com Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Giants Win to Even World Series
SF wins 11-4 against Kansas City. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/giants-pummel-royals-bullpen-to-even-world-series-041420092.html http://sports.yahoo.com/news/giants-pummel-royals-bullpen-to-even-world-series-041420092.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Giants Win to Even World Series
looked like it would end badly until the 5th inning - go Giants! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jr_esq@... wrote : SF wins 11-4 against Kansas City. http://sports.yahoo.com/news/giants-pummel-royals-bullpen-to-even-world-series-041420092.html http://sports.yahoo.com/news/giants-pummel-royals-bullpen-to-even-world-series-041420092.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the Machines
Elon Musk is a visionary. So, based on what is going on now, he can foresee the problems with AI in the near future from a mechanical point of view. But I still don't see how an AI machine can be self-aware and experience transcendental consciousness. Since these machines do not have human components in their physiology, it cannot experience samadhi and obtain the support of Nature.
