Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period I merely found an interesting and provocative article, and reposted it in case someone had anything intelligent to say about it. Too bad you didn't. From the article: Many Christians are surprised when told that nowhere in the Bible, either Old Testament or New, does any writer say that a woman’s consent is necessary or even desirable before sex. *** I'm going to follow up on this, because 1) it's part of a pattern I see on FFL, 2) it ties in with other posts I've made here, and similar reactions to them, and 3) I'm a little surprised that it's actually YOU doing the reacting this time, s3raphita. I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives. Thus I really *liked* Valerie Tarico's article. I think she brought up a valid and interesting point about religion, and not just Western or Christian religion -- that women have *zero* rights within those religions, at least when it comes to doing what they're told to do, by either gods, or people claiming to represent those gods. I *like* out of the box stuff like this. In fact, I recently made another post in which I touched on a (to me) similar subject: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/407749 That one got little action in terms of discussion, and for (I suspect) a similar reason -- it asked respondents to think outside the box, and approach a spiritual book (the Bhagavad-Gita) from a new perspective. My point in my post was similar to Valerie's in hers -- no one ever asked Arjuna's *permission* to tell him what to do. It was *expected* that because he was being talked to (not to mention talked down to) by a god or the representation of one on earth (Krishna) that he *HAD* to do what the god told him to do. Arjuna had no choice. He was, in fact, told that his discrimination and sense of compassion and right and wrong were CRAP, and that he should just dump that wimp thinking and go out and kill people, the way Krishna (his better) told him to. Now think about Valerie's article and Mary's story. Was she offered a *choice*? She was not. She was TOLD what to do by a god. And, like all people (male and female) in these scriptural stories, she just *did what she was told to do*. As you actually imply in your reply, s3raphita, she should have looked at being told she was about to get knocked up by god as a unique, world-historical privilege. You don't see a little MALE privilege built into this concept? Not to mention GOD privilege? Mary wasn't *asked* if she'd like to be a part of this; she was TOLD that it was gonna happen. As Valerie points out, she reacted to this by invoking the duties of a *slave* -- Behold the bond slave of the Lord; be it done to me. Is this *really* the relationship you feel a human being has to god -- slave to master? T'would seem that both Jehovah in his actions towards Mary and Krishna in his actions towards Arjuna feel that this is the nature of the relationship they have with these humans -- master-slave, with both Mary and Arjuna doing what they're told I'm sorry you thought my post was tacky. I think your reply was somewhat more so. Every so often I post a piece of my own writing here or forward someone else's that is *supposed* to challenge people's thinking and inspire them to discuss the tired old subjects we deal with on this forum in new and interesting ways. Some people obviously are more comfortable with the tired old ways, and that is their right -- they don't have to either read or reply to my out of the box posts. When they do, and by trying to put them down as tacky or demonstrating a low level of consciousness I interpret this as people trying to assert their supposed supremacy based on staying in the box and trying to demonize anyone who strays out of it. In other words, cult thinking. If anyone has the cojones to discuss out of the box subjects without trying to hit me with your box, I'm up for it... From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Wow! That's tacky. As we're about to celebrate one of the main events in the Christian calendar, to link the birth of Christ with rape culture shows a low level of consciousness. Thinking about it it does occur to me that I could turn your slur against you. The whole point of the Nativity narrative in Luke's gospel is to contrast the pomp and glory of worldly
[FairfieldLife] The Atheist Ten Commandments
Interesting article, one that I'm sure a few people with rather in the box ideas about who and what atheists are will skip without even reading, so I'll post the winning ten after the link, just for them. :-) Atheists Rewrite Ten Commandments, MythBusters’ Adam Savage Judged New Commands | | | | | | | | | | | Atheists Rewrite Ten Commandments, MythBusters’ Ada...Atheists have written their own version of the ten commandments. These commandments were chosen from submissions to Atheist Mind Humanist Heart’s (AMHH) | | | | View on www.inquisitr.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | 1. Be open-minded and be willing to alter your beliefs with new evidence. 2. Strive to understand what is most likely to be true, not to believe what you wish to be true. 3. The scientific method is the most reliable way of understanding the natural world. 4. Every person has the right to control over their body. 5. God is not necessary to be a good person or to live a full and meaningful life. 6. Be mindful of the consequences of all your actions and recognize that you must take responsibility for them. 7. Treat others as you would want them to treat you, and can reasonably expect them to want to be treated. Think about their perspective. 8. We have the responsibility to consider others, including future generations. 9. There is no one right way to live. 10. Leave the world a better place than you found it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives.. I too like 'out-of-the box' thinking. I just recently came across this article in a German magazine: Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde einfach hinzugedichtet - SPIEGEL ONLINE http://www.spiegel.de/spiegelgeschichte/bibel-wie-die-heilige-schrift-entstand-a-1005418.html Wow - that really did it for me. If you happen to know German, somewhat at least, or if you can find a somwhat acceptable online translator - Google translate is sometimes okay, just to get an idea - it seems too much to translate it now, or even summarize it somewhat. The article makes a point that the whole collections of books in the bible spans a time frame of about 1000 years. The article is an interview with a biblical historian, probably a theologian as well, about the emergence of the different books, the time frame, and the social and political reasons behind it. What really struck me, was how recent this all is. 1000 years seem to be a long time, but if you look at it a little closer, the older books of the old testament, the pentateuch, was only fixed and finalized a few centuries before Christ, maybe 6 centuries before. And it was mainly a text of law. If you extrapolate this to our time, it's like saying, we have here this very ancient book from the 15 century, the book of all beginnings. Come on, how old is that? Of course antiquity doesn't mean anything really, but that it has some value is still lurking in our subconscious somehow. And if you look at his analysis, it's all political. He says, that what is called 'Babylonean exile' was just concerning a few elite people who were taken there, away from palestine. When they were released from the exile, they tried to impose their own religion - that is basically, what they had adopted abroad, like monotheism in persia I think, so they came back as an elite, and tried to establish themselves by publishing some lawbooks - the pentateuch - weaving it in with some other, known and older stories, and establish the temple they were building, in Jerusalem, as the center of their power. There was a competing temple elsewhere, and they tried to fight, and I think destroyed the other temple. This is portrayed in the bible as the fight with other tribes, but it wasn't, it was really their own palestine people they were trying to rule, who hadn't followed to the exile. And it seems that Salomon had belonged to the other group. Again, the united the two groups of people by making Abraham the father of Jacob, but originally there were two tribes, one thinking themselves to be in the lineage of Abraham, the other's being the lineage of Jacob, but with this trick, they united the people. Not that I expected that the bible is historically acurate, but it still strikes me, how this emergence of it, the way it came to be, actually spans just a few centuries - if you think of the real long history of human beings on earth - it's just nothing. Of course these men made the rules to dominate their people in their time, and it reflects the social status of these people. In my opinion, this is all political. That is of course not only true for Judaism and Christianity - which was formed to be a state-religion by the Romans. But then in Hinduism, which is anyway more like a collection of religions, there I recently heard, that there is a version, where Ravanna is the good guy, and not Rama, there are temples dedicated to Ravanna in Sri Lanka, and according to their story, Ravanna was married to Sita, and Rama abducted her. There are even temples of Ravanna on mainland India, and he is also regarded as an incarnation of Shiva. And just think how Rama abundoned Sita and put her on a fire-test(!). Then, one of the most famous Shiva temples is Rameshvara, where Rama, an incarnation of Vishnu, worshipped Shiva, just on the way to Lanka. Hello? Looks like a rededication of a temple to me, and that didn't happen the first time, it happened many times. wrt the bible I think the later philosophical and theological interpretations are on a much higher level than any of the original books where. The same may be true for much of Hinduism. http://www.spiegel.de/spiegelgeschichte/bibel-wie-die-heilige-schrift-entstand-a-1005418.html Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde e... http://www.spiegel.de/spiegelgeschichte/bibel-wie-die-heilige-schrift-entstand-a-1005418.html Der Bibelwissenschaftler Ernst Axel Knauf über die Entstehung der Bibel, die literarische Kunst ihrer Verfasser und das Neue am Neuen Testament. View on www.spiegel.de http://www.spiegel.de/spiegelgeschichte/bibel-wie-die-heilige-schrift-entstand-a-1005418.html Preview by
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments
I'm not an atheist, but it all sounds good to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
Good response. I have to work today so don't have time to dive into the translation of the German article or reply in depth (and may not have anything to say when I do have time), but your mention of the political and social forces that influenced the different books of the Bible reminded me of -- of all things -- this article that I stumbled upon yesterday. In it, the author Phil Zuckerman rather eloquently deals with the rise of secularism and pooh-poohs the rather egotistic notion from modern atheists that THEY are responsible for it. He makes some valid points that reveal the political and sociological forces that have been working for many years to move people away from belief in religion and towards belief in more humanist philosophies. We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and the exploding new American secularism | | | | | | | | | | | We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill ...Religious right extremism, new atheists late-night mockery have religion on the run. American secularism's rising | | | | View on www.salon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives.. I too like 'out-of-the box' thinking. I just recently came across this article in a German magazine: Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde einfach hinzugedichtet - SPIEGEL ONLINE Wow - that really did it for me. If you happen to know German, somewhat at least, or if you can find a somwhat acceptable online translator - Google translate is sometimes okay, just to get an idea - it seems too much to translate it now, or even summarize it somewhat. The article makes a point that the whole collections of books in the bible spans a time frame of about 1000 years. The article is an interview with a biblical historian, probably a theologian as well, about the emergence of the different books, the time frame, and the social and political reasons behind it. What really struck me, was how recent this all is. 1000 years seem to be a long time, but if you look at it a little closer, the older books of the old testament, the pentateuch, was only fixed and finalized a few centuries before Christ, maybe 6 centuries before. And it was mainly a text of law. If you extrapolate this to our time, it's like saying, we have here this very ancient book from the 15 century, the book of all beginnings. Come on, how old is that? Of course antiquity doesn't mean anything really, but that it has some value is still lurking in our subconscious somehow. And if you look at his analysis, it's all political. He says, that what is called 'Babylonean exile' was just concerning a few elite people who were taken there, away from palestine. When they were released from the exile, they tried to impose their own religion - that is basically, what they had adopted abroad, like monotheism in persia I think, so they came back as an elite, and tried to establish themselves by publishing some lawbooks - the pentateuch - weaving it in with some other, known and older stories, and establish the temple they were building, in Jerusalem, as the center of their power. There was a competing temple elsewhere, and they tried to fight, and I think destroyed the other temple. This is portrayed in the bible as the fight with other tribes, but it wasn't, it was really their own palestine people they were trying to rule, who hadn't followed to the exile. And it seems that Salomon had belonged to the other group. Again, the united the two groups of people by making Abraham the father of Jacob, but originally there were two tribes, one thinking themselves to be in the lineage of Abraham, the other's being the lineage of Jacob, but with this trick, they united the people. Not that I expected that the bible is historically acurate, but it still strikes me, how this emergence of it, the way it came to be, actually spans just a few centuries - if you think of the real long history of human beings on earth - it's just nothing. Of course these men made the rules to dominate their people in their time, and it reflects the social status of these people. In my opinion, this is all political. That is of course not only true for Judaism and Christianity - which was formed to be a state-religion by the Romans. But then in Hinduism, which is anyway more like a collection of religions, there I recently heard, that there is a version, where Ravanna is the good guy, and not Rama, there are temples
[FairfieldLife] Sump'n Claus
A holiday message for those who no longer feel comfortable believing in that Santa Claus guy with all his naughty or nice rule-based, dualistic thinking. Finally there is a hipper, more humanist guy, the Claus for the rest of us: Sump'n Claus - Saturday Night Live | | | | | | | | | | | Sump'n Claus - Saturday Night Live | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: Damn. Bad guys won - Mia Farrow
Good for him for not giving in, they could always go home and starve to dearth in a gulag if they dislike our tradition of mocking our self-important rulers. Mind you, I admit to gritting my teeth at the prospect of another mustn't be offensive story and I'm happy it wasn't. If it's any consolation to the N Koreans, I'd love to have my hair done like their dear leader but nature has organised a somewhat more threadbare canvas for barbers to work with ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : This North Korean lark reminds me that a few months back a barber shop just down the road from where I live (Ealing, London) hung a poster in their shop of Kim and his signature hairstyle. Bad Hair Day? asked the sign. 15% off all gent cuts through the month of April. The day after the sign went up, two men in suits entered the barber shop and confronted the manager. They weren't laughing. They told the manager, We are North Koreans, and that is our leader on your poster. The two men worked at the nearby North Korean Embassy. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kim-jong-uns-men-visit-3416262 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kim-jong-uns-men-visit-3416262
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's first steps on American territory
FWIW, Maharshi is closer to the standard Sanskrit spelling than Maharishi. mahaa + RSi - MaharSi (vocalic R-sound [ri] changes to consonantal r-sound).
[FairfieldLife] Re: Raj Mata of Lucknow
Srijau, Citation? Did you write this? You were there? You ought to post this over at the_peak where it would be more fully appreciated. -Buck in Fairfield The Peak https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info The Peak https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info The Peak is an ongoing conversation about our journey as human beings, upwards towards the pinnacle, and fulfillment of our existence; Enlightenm... View on groups.yahoo.com https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_peak/info Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : Raj Mata of Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh In 1976, the Raj Mata of Lucknow, U. P., came to visit Maharishi in Switzerland. She had been a great devotee of Guru Dev when he was Shankaracharya and Guru Dev used to stay at the Royal Palace whenever he would visit Lucknow. Raj Mata told me that she remembers Maharishi when he was a brahmachari serving Guru Dev, but she really didn't pay much attention to him at the time. However, she was very surprised years later, after Guru Dev had left this earth, when people would come to her…people who had known Guru Dev and who had recently seen Maharishi. They would tell Raj Mata that Maharishi is just like Guru Dev. At first, Raj Mata said she didn't believe this. But throughout the sixties and early seventies, people kept telling her that Maharishi was just like Guru Dev and that she should go and see him. So, finally, she decided that before the end of her life, she had to come and see for herself. She stayed with us for about three months. On the day she was leaving, I escorted her to Maharishi's meeting room where she was to see him for the last time and with my assistance she sat on the floor. I protested that Maharishi would not want her to sit on the floor but she said to me in a very heartful tone, 'Oh no, you do not understand. When all those people told me that Maharishi was just like Guru Dev, I came to see for myself. But having been with Maharishi these past few months, I can see that they were wrong. Maharishi is not like Guru Dev, He is Guru Dev. There is no difference between the two. Maharishi got completely absorbed in Guru Dev's Being and became That. Maharishi is not only the disciple who is just like the Master. He is the Master. He is Guru Dev and therefore I have to sit at his feet.'
Re: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
The Swami was obviously drunk or being paid to say that, if indeed he did say
it.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
Swami Lakshmanju
Swami Lakshmanju (1907–1991) was the last Acharya of the Kashmir Shaiva
Siddhanta tradition. Written accounts of conversations with Swami Lakshmanju
include the following comments about Maharishi:
If you ask me, Maharishi's teaching starts where mine ends and it goes from
there to Infinity. Then he added, Maharishi is the greatest saint to walk the
Earth in ten thousand years!
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[FairfieldLife] India Loves a Sham - Part 1
Look at the end of the article where you will find mention of Vedic math. Indian village where people speak in Sanskrit | | | | | | | | | | | Indian village where people speak in SanskritBBC Hindi's Imran Qureshi visits a village in Karnataka where most residents speak Sanskrit, at a time when India is debating the role the ancient language plays in... | | | | View on www.bbc.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] India Loves a Sham - Part 2
Now see this article: Nothing Vedic in ‘Vedic Maths’ | | | | | | | | | | | Nothing Vedic in ‘Vedic Maths’Advocating ‘Vedic mathematics’ as a replacement for traditional Indian arithmetic is hardly an act of nationalism; it only shows ignorance of the history of mathema... | | | | View on www.thehindu.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] India Loves a Sham - Part 3
Crap, I should have looked further! The con artist who claims to have discovered Vedic math was apparently a Shankaracharya! Take a look at how he discovered what doesn't even exist in the veda - cognition!!! Shades of Marshy's fakery. The Fraud of Vedic Maths | | | | | | | | | | | The Fraud of Vedic MathsThose who seriously still think ancient India had devised a parallel mathematical system need to acquaint themselves with Bharti Krishna Tirthaji. | | | | View on www.openthemagazine... | Preview by Yahoo | | | | |
[FairfieldLife] Re: India Loves a Sham - Part 3
Michael, I think you would enjoy a novel by an Indian novelist, R. K. Narayan, called The Guide. It was published in 1958 and is set in South India. It's about a man named Raju who gets mistaken by some gullible villagers as a sadhu, or holy man. He learns how to play along with it and acquires many followers. Some of it is hilarious, as he talks in meaningless platitudes that the villagers take for great wisdom. The funny thing is though, at the end it appears that he does actually attain a kind of sainthood. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : Crap, I should have looked further! The con artist who claims to have discovered Vedic math was apparently a Shankaracharya! Take a look at how he discovered what doesn't even exist in the veda - cognition!!! Shades of Marshy's fakery. The Fraud of Vedic Maths http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/the-fraud-of-vedic-maths http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/the-fraud-of-vedic-maths The Fraud of Vedic Maths http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/the-fraud-of-vedic-maths Those who seriously still think ancient India had devised a parallel mathematical system need to acquaint themselves with Bharti Krishna Tirthaji. View on www.openthemagazine... http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/art-culture/the-fraud-of-vedic-maths Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: India Loves a Sham - Part 3
Sounds like the Mystic Masseur
From: feste37 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:02 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: India Loves a Sham - Part 3
Michael, I think youwould enjoy a novel by an Indian novelist, R. K.
Narayan, called The Guide. Itwas published in 1958 and is set in South India.
It's about a man named Rajuwho gets mistaken by some gullible villagers as a
sadhu, or holy man. He learnshow to play along with it and acquires many
followers. Some of it is hilarious,as he talks in meaningless platitudes that
the villagers take for great wisdom.The funny thing is though, at the end it
appears that he does actually attain akind of sainthood.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote :
Crap, I should have looked further! The con artist who claims to have
discovered Vedic math was apparently a Shankaracharya! Take a look at how he
discovered what doesn't even exist in the veda - cognition!!! Shades of
Marshy's fakery.
The Fraud of Vedic Maths
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| The Fraud of Vedic MathsThose who seriously still think ancient India had
devised a parallel mathematical system need to acquaint themselves with Bharti
Krishna Tirthaji. |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
Just to follow up, I found time to read a Babelfished version of the German article, and found it interesting. But not interesting enough to really comment on. Thanks, though for your comments, and the invitation to a discussion. Trouble is, I am the furthest person you have ever met from a Biblical scholar, or even a person with any interest in the Bible. It's not that I haven't read it; it's that I have, and don't have the slightest desire to *ever* read it again. So although I can see that the changing views over time of these various books of the Bible, influenced by the politics and the social forces of various eras, would be fascinating to those who know those books, it isn't fascinating to me because I don't. To clarify about my unwillingness to correct this deficiency and learn more about the Bible, it's more a preference issue for me than it is a religious/atheist issue. I still read the occasional spiritual work for purposes of inspiration. The issue is that I'm just not *inspired* by most of the stories in the Bible. They just don't turn me on or resonate with my inner being. They often seem simplistic or obvious or distasteful or all of the above. If I were looking to read things that are regarded as scriptures and actually be *inspired* by them, I'd have to turn to Tibetan works, or Native American shaman tales. Or old Celtic or Norse myths. I don't know why this is. I just can't get it up for *any* of the three major Middle Eastern monotheist religions, or their scriptures. Given how all three have turned out over these last 2-3 millennia, I'm not exactly drawn to them as a source of wisdom. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period Good response. I have to work today so don't have time to dive into the translation of the German article or reply in depth (and may not have anything to say when I do have time), but your mention of the political and social forces that influenced the different books of the Bible reminded me of -- of all things -- this article that I stumbled upon yesterday. In it, the author Phil Zuckerman rather eloquently deals with the rise of secularism and pooh-poohs the rather egotistic notion from modern atheists that THEY are responsible for it. He makes some valid points that reveal the political and sociological forces that have been working for many years to move people away from belief in religion and towards belief in more humanist philosophies. We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and the exploding new American secularism | | | | | | | | | | | We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill ...Religious right extremism, new atheists late-night mockery have religion on the run. American secularism's rising | | | | View on www.salon.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives.. I too like 'out-of-the box' thinking. I just recently came across this article in a German magazine: Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde einfach hinzugedichtet - SPIEGEL ONLINE Wow - that really did it for me. If you happen to know German, somewhat at least, or if you can find a somwhat acceptable online translator - Google translate is sometimes okay, just to get an idea - it seems too much to translate it now, or even summarize it somewhat. The article makes a point that the whole collections of books in the bible spans a time frame of about 1000 years. The article is an interview with a biblical historian, probably a theologian as well, about the emergence of the different books, the time frame, and the social and political reasons behind it. What really struck me, was how recent this all is. 1000 years seem to be a long time, but if you look at it a little closer, the older books of the old testament, the pentateuch, was only fixed and finalized a few centuries before Christ, maybe 6 centuries before. And it was mainly a text of law. If you extrapolate this to our time, it's like saying, we have here this very ancient book from the 15 century, the book of all beginnings. Come on, how old is that? Of course antiquity doesn't mean anything really, but that it has some value is still lurking in our subconscious somehow. And
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to do with Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped the Fairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding of negativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. It is time to separate Fairfield and Fairfieldlife away from that. Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find that Re-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middle way of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is very descriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here. You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator I should feel categorically that we should not negotiate with terrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank 'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybill writes : Buck - yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start with a healthy period of silence on FFL and then re-title the home page over to: The_Abyss. That new title would better represent the forum as it has devolved in to the hands of mostly non-Fairfield neganauts. Let us start anew in a period of silence. Let us have no thing here until at the least, 12 January 2015. -Buck in Fairfield Dear Rick; Yep, great idea. Re-name/re-brand the Fairfieldlife group. Re-title FFL on the home page to: The_Abyss at Yahoo-groups. Now that quite transparently and truthfully seems a positive and honest idea. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Aryavazhi here has a brilliant Idea.. but have a different idea: In response to the recent exodus from FFL, rename the [FFL] group to: The_Abyss Let FFL on Yahoo-groups take a long period of silence towards re-grouping what once we had in more golden times of FFL. With Fond Regards, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa The seasonal long night is upon us now! Would be a great time to start a renewal for FFL: December Solstice 2014: December 21, at 23:03 UTC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules, I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and installed Jarmar Nigelah to rule for a 1000 years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yes, let FFL take a holiday in a very seasonal silent self-referral reflection as a timely rejuvenation and help shift some of these people out who have usurped what was once a kinder welcoming community forum of FFL. It would be a fine time to start towards re-setting FFL's rightful bearings. Let FFL take a period of silence, a time out; let it take a long quiet time meditation for some while in hibernation. This would be a firm step in communal progress. It is a shame otherwise to just let it be overrun and taken over by the unkindness it has become. Respectfully, -Buck in Fairfield Rick it is not being unreasonable asking for this. It is time now to act to realign FFL away from the malignancy of unkindness that has become entrenched here. -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to the clear blue skies and glistening waters of purity and abstemiousness of words, by indulging FFL in a cone of silence at least until December 25th. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while. Yes, let us have a holiday of silence on FFL. A FFL going-on-holiday in to and then coming out of a silence then anew in the making of something kinder like a renewing of the communal FFL forum. Dear Rick, Yes host an extended period of FFL silence. Do let there be Silence until 12 January on FFL. At the least. Thence in coming out of such reforming silence have FairfieldLife join unto that traditional day of January 12th. You know, that time within the old meditating community of renewed spirituality, vitality, clarity and thence more life-supporting activity as then coming out of silence. -The FFL Patriarch of Peace and Heaven on Earth, Buck in the Dome Dear Rick, towards administratively enforcing a No-fly Zone over the posting of unkindness on FFL, it is an excellent time right now given the course of events to plan and start such a counter-attack so as to take back our branding of FairfieldLife once again by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
I used to be into this kind of thing years ago and lent an ear to many theologians who were trying to figure out what this stuff was all really about. This is a pretty good analysis. There is also the concept that that some of the tales in the Bible and well as Hindu texts are tales that tradesmen told. And not only were politics encoded that way but also early science. From music historians we know that the bards were actually singing about events in kingdoms they had visited encoded in song so they wouldn't get in trouble. Sorta singing news anchors. ;-) On 12/22/2014 01:58 AM, aryavazhi wrote: */I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives../* I too like 'out-of-the box' thinking. I just recently came across this article in a German magazine: Das Buch der Bücher: Zum historischen Kern wurde einfach hinzugedichtet - SPIEGEL ONLINE http://www.spiegel.de/spiegelgeschichte/bibel-wie-die-heilige-schrift-entstand-a-1005418.html Wow - that really did it for me. If you happen to know German, somewhat at least, or if you can find a somwhat acceptable online translator - Google translate is sometimes okay, just to get an idea - it seems too much to translate it now, or even summarize it somewhat. The article makes a point that the whole collections of books in the bible spans a time frame of about 1000 years. The article is an interview with a biblical historian, probably a theologian as well, about the emergence of the different books, the time frame, and the social and political reasons behind it. What really struck me, was how recent this all is. 1000 years seem to be a long time, but if you look at it a little closer, the older books of the old testament, the pentateuch, was only fixed and finalized a few centuries before Christ, maybe 6 centuries before. And it was mainly a text of law. If you extrapolate this to our time, it's like saying, we have here this very ancient book from the 15 century, the book of all beginnings. Come on, how old is that? Of course antiquity doesn't mean anything really, but that it has some value is still lurking in our subconscious somehow. And if you look at his analysis, it's all political. He says, that what is called 'Babylonean exile' was just concerning a few elite people who were taken there, away from palestine. When they were released from the exile, they tried to impose their own religion - that is basically, what they had adopted abroad, like monotheism in persia I think, so they came back as an elite, and tried to establish themselves by publishing some lawbooks - the pentateuch - weaving it in with some other, known and older stories, and establish the temple they were building, in Jerusalem, as the center of their power. There was a competing temple elsewhere, and they tried to fight, and I think destroyed the other temple. This is portrayed in the bible as the fight with other tribes, but it wasn't, it was really their own palestine people they were trying to rule, who hadn't followed to the exile. And it seems that Salomon had belonged to the other group. Again, the united the two groups of people by making Abraham the father of Jacob, but originally there were two tribes, one thinking themselves to be in the lineage of Abraham, the other's being the lineage of Jacob, but with this trick, they united the people. Not that I expected that the bible is historically acurate, but it still strikes me, how this emergence of it, the way it came to be, actually spans just a few centuries - if you think of the real long history of human beings on earth - it's just nothing. Of course these men made the rules to dominate their people in their time, and it reflects the social status of these people. In my opinion, this is all political. That is of course not only true for Judaism and Christianity - which was formed to be a state-religion by the Romans. But then in Hinduism, which is anyway more like a collection of religions, there I recently heard, that there is a version, where Ravanna is the good guy, and not Rama, there are temples dedicated to Ravanna in Sri Lanka, and according to their story, Ravanna was married to Sita, and Rama abducted her. There are even temples of Ravanna on mainland India, and he is also regarded as an incarnation of Shiva. And just think how Rama abundoned Sita and put her on a fire-test(!). Then, one of the most famous Shiva temples is Rameshvara, where Rama, an incarnation of Vishnu, worshipped Shiva, just on the way to Lanka. Hello? Looks like a rededication of a temple to me, and that didn't happen the first time, it happened many times. wrt the bible I think the later philosophical and theological interpretations are on a much
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Ten Commandments
Sometimes I see atheism as a phase that people go through rejecting the personalized God that was made up to help simple people understand a complex principle of what seems to be a glue that holds the universe together. I grew up in a non-religious family but my folks sent me to the local Sunday school when I was 4 or 5 years old so I could find out for myself what religion was about. I rejected it and about the same time became interested in the articles about Sarte in the weekly magazines we'd get. IOW, I had an early introduction to atheism and existentialism. :-D On 12/22/2014 02:03 AM, aryavazhi wrote: I'm not an atheist, but it all sounds good to me.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Damn. Bad guys won - Mia Farrow
The NK dear leader was schooled in Switzerland. NK isn't a communist country but as someone pointed out on the radio er streamer the other day a family business. Same with Cuba. On 12/22/2014 02:49 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Good for him for not giving in, they could always go home and starve to dearth in a gulag if they dislike our tradition of mocking our self-important rulers. Mind you, I admit to gritting my teeth at the prospect of another mustn't be offensive story and I'm happy it wasn't. If it's any consolation to the N Koreans, I'd love to have my hair done like their dear leader but nature has organised a somewhat more threadbare canvas for barbers to work with ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote : This North Korean lark reminds me that a few months back a barber shop just down the road from where I live (Ealing, London) hung a poster in their shop of Kim and his signature hairstyle. Bad Hair Day? asked the sign. 15% off all gent cuts through the month of April. The day after the sign went up, two men in suits entered the barber shop and confronted the manager. They weren't laughing. They told the manager, We are North Koreans, and that is our leader on your poster. The two men worked at the nearby North Korean Embassy. Barber poster http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kim-jong-uns-men-visit-3416262
Re: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
For the record, I've met a number of Indian mystics who wouldn't share the opinion either. But we do have to keep in mind that Indians tend to have a bad habit of hyperbole. On 12/22/2014 05:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: The Swami was obviously drunk or being paid to say that, if indeed he did say it. *From:* sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:18 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years Swami Lakshmanju Swami Lakshmanju (1907–1991) was the last Acharya of the Kashmir Shaiva Siddhanta tradition. Written accounts of conversations with Swami Lakshmanju include the following comments about Maharishi: If you ask me, Maharishi's teaching starts where mine ends and it goes from there to Infinity. Then he added, Maharishi is the greatest saint to walk the Earth in ten thousand years!
Re: [FairfieldLife] India Loves a Sham - Part 1
Ouch! I've studied Sanskrit and stopped as it started to get into the nine or more tenses it uses. It is a far more complex and exact language that any of our modern languages which appear very simplistic in comparison. Hindi is a dumbed down version of Sanskrit. And then we have Pali On 12/22/2014 05:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Look at the end of the article where you will find mention of Vedic math. Indian village where people speak in Sanskrit http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30446917 image http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30446917 Indian village where people speak in Sanskrit http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30446917 BBC Hindi's Imran Qureshi visits a village in Karnataka where most residents speak Sanskrit, at a time when India is debating the role the ancient language plays in... View on www.bbc.com http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-30446917 Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
For the record, I've met a number of Indian mystics who wouldn't share the
opinion either. But we do have to keep in mind that Indians tend to have a bad
habit of hyperbole.
Tell me about it. If TM TBs only knew that what they know as the Absolute was
MMY's hyperbolic mistranslation into English of the Sanskrit word for better
than most stuff. :-)
On 12/22/2014 05:11 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
The Swami was obviously drunk or being paid to say that, if indeed he did
say it.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 10:18 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Greatest saint in ten thousand years
Swami Lakshmanju
Swami Lakshmanju (1907–1991) was the last Acharya of the Kashmir Shaiva
Siddhanta tradition. Written accounts of conversations with Swami Lakshmanju
include the following comments about Maharishi:
If you ask me, Maharishi's teaching starts where mine ends and it goes from
there to Infinity. Then he added, Maharishi is the greatest saint to walk the
Earth in ten thousand years!
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
Uh Buck, that's because most of us don't live in Fairfield but WE DO have a connection with it. Instead of bitching why don't you share what's been going on in Fairfield? I even find your views and news on farming interesting. On 12/22/2014 08:36 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to do with Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped the Fairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding of negativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. It is time to separate /Fairfield/ and /Fairfieldlife/ away from that. Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find that Re-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middle way of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is very descriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here. You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator I should feel categorically that we should not negotiate with terrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank 'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybill writes : Buck - yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start with a healthy period of silence on FFL and then re-title the home page over to: The_Abyss. That new title would better represent the forum as it has devolved in to the hands of mostly non-Fairfield neganauts. Let us start anew in a period of silence. Let us have no thing here until at the least, 12 January 2015. -Buck in Fairfield Dear Rick; Yep, great idea. Re-name/re-brand the Fairfieldlife group. Re-title FFL on the home page to: The_Abyss at Yahoo-groups. Now that quite transparently and truthfully seems a positive and honest idea. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Aryavazhi here has a brilliant Idea.. but have a different idea: In response to the recent exodus from FFL, rename the [FFL] group to: The_Abyss Let FFL on Yahoo-groups take a long period of silence towards re-grouping what once we had in more golden times of FFL. With Fond Regards, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa The seasonal long night is upon us now! Would be a great time to start a renewal for FFL: December Solstice 2014: December 21, at 23:03 UTC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules, I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and installed Jarmar Nigelah to rule for a 1000 years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yes, let FFL take a holiday in a very seasonal silent self-referral reflection as a timely rejuvenation and help shift some of these people out who have usurped what was once a kinder welcoming community forum of FFL. It would be a fine time to start towards re-setting FFL's rightful bearings. Let FFL take a period of silence, a time out; let it take a long quiet time meditation for some while in hibernation. This would be a firm step in communal progress. It is a shame otherwise to just let it be overrun and taken over by the unkindness it has become. Respectfully, -Buck in Fairfield Rick it is not being unreasonable asking for this. It is time now to act to realign FFL away from the malignancy of unkindness that has become entrenched here. -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to the clear blue skies and glistening waters of purity and abstemiousness of words, by indulging FFL in a cone of silence at least until December 25th. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while. Yes, let us have a holiday of silence on FFL. A FFL going-on-holiday in to and then coming out of a silence then anew in the making of something kinder like a renewing of the communal FFL forum. Dear Rick, Yes host an extended period of FFL silence. Do let there be Silence until 12 January on FFL. At the least. Thence in coming out of such reforming silence have FairfieldLife join unto that traditional day of January 12^th. You know, that time within the old meditating community of renewed spirituality, vitality, clarity and thence more life-supporting activity as then coming out of silence. -The FFL Patriarch of Peace and Heaven on Earth,
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos
How much do you actually know about ISIS? Have you noticed that some of the video interviews they've done that the ISIS young guys seem to be a little too comfortable with western slang? Does that suggest something to you? It does me. On 12/21/2014 07:42 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Being less evolved than humans, these aliens would have essentially evil intentions ... Less evolved? WTF? Is this some primitive darwinism you are using as a moral scale? What can you mean by more evolved humans? You mean like Islamic State (ISIS)? Contrary to you preconceptions, ISIS doesn't make up their doctrines or their ideas out of Neo-mumbo like half of the denizens here on FFL. They actually follow the dîn/deenof the Prophet and are no less or more brutal than he demonstrated by many examples. The well-known Islamic scholar, Fazlur Rahman Malik, suggested that Dīn is best considered as 'The way-to-be-followed'. In this interpretation, Dīn is the exact correlate of Shariawhereas Shari'a is the ordaining of the Way and its proper subject is God, Dīn is the following of that Way, and its subject is man. Perhaps synthetic aliens have their own prophet just like muslims. Or, perhaps they don't need one since they may have self-constructed a superior method of interaction - one refined over aeons. Alien species, whether organic or synthetic, may be so far beyond us that we simply don't matter. However, these synthetic but intelligent species may have their own experience over hundreds of thousands or even millions of years. This may have demonstrated to them that other intelligences (even ant-like pests like us) will inevitably conflict with them and thus must be totally annihilated to maintain the security of their own species-survival. Read it and weep ... all moral evolution is bullshit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Love and God by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Turquoise, I am all for exploring outside the box. Though, of course, simple being outside the box, by it self, does not make something useful and valid. Perhaps nine of ten, or 99 out of 100 things outside the box are dross and dead-ends. But finding that one thing can I would hope, make the effort worthwhile. The demarcations of what is inside the box and outside may vary. At large scale, Xeno had some wonderful replies to a set of Dev. posts. recently. One theme being the universality of (at least) many religions and paths towards unfolding that what is inside the inner box is the same as that which is outside (the inner) box. On a more focussed scale, some may be living within a quite small box and venturing outside is indeed may feel to be an escape from Plato's Cave. I realize that like Russian dolls, others may be living inside a larger box, already containing my little box and what to me are astonishing insights are child's play to them. And if not abusing the analogy, we may be living in different boxes pertaining to different spheres of our lives. For example, someone well grounded in physics is living in a far vaster box than me in that domain, though (well for the sake of argument) I may be living in a larger box in at least a few domains within which their box is comparatively smaller. And it appears sometimes, what appears to be a large box is simply filled with hot air, smoke and mirrors. That is, a concise simple view may actually be a huge box -- having cut through all the jungle clutter. Thus, my suggesting that you have viewed the Gita in simple terms is neither a dismissal or compliment of your ideas. Each view needs to stand on its own merits. Some thoughts: 1) Per the story, prior to the battlefield, Krishna was Arjuna's friend. Upon being asked, Krishna became Arjuna's servant, his charioteer -- a lowly position. Only at Arjuna's request, did Krishna take on a role of guidance and counsel. Not until quite late in the Gita did Krisha reveal his universal form -- again at Arjuna's request. That form was so overwhelming, Arjuna begged Krishna to return to his form as friend. Arjuna asked many questions. Having gained insight from Krishna's replies, Arjuna placed more weight on Krishna's value as an advisor. By the end, Arjuna had all his questions answered, felt from his own view, that Krishna was the real deal (for him, Arjuna) and had no qualms about taking the totality of Krishna's advice . 2) From your posts, I know you appreciate the role of metaphors. Many view the battlefield in the Gita as metaphor -- which does not validate -- but perhaps is worthy of consideration. (a quick cut and past from Wiki) Eknath Easwaran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eknath_Easwaran writes that the Gita 's subject is the war within, the struggle for self-mastery that every human being must wage if he or she is to emerge from life victorious,[53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-84 and that The language of battle is often found in the scriptures, for it conveys the strenuous, long, drawn-out campaign we must wage to free ourselves from the tyranny of the ego, the cause of all our suffering and sorrow.[54] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-85 Swami Nikhilananda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Nikhilananda, takes Arjuna as an allegory of Ātman, Krishna as an allegory of Brahman http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman, Arjuna's chariot as the body, and Dhritarashtra as the ignorance filled mind.[note 7] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-86 Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas_Karamchand_Gandhi, in his commentary on the Gita,[55] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-87 interprets the battle as an allegory in which the battlefield is the soul and Arjuna, man's higher impulses struggling against evil.[56] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-88 Swami Vivekananda http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Vivekananda also emphasised that the first discourse in the Gita related to the war could be taken allegorically.[57] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-89 Vivekananda further remarked, This Kurukshetra War is only an allegory. When we sum up its esoteric significance, it means the war which is constantly going on within man between the tendencies of good and evil.[58] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-SV-vol4-90 In Aurobindo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurobindo's view, Krishna was a historical figure, but his significance in the Gita is as a symbol of the divine dealings with humanity,[59] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-91 while Arjuna typifies a struggling human soul.[60] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-THD-92 However, Aurobindo rejected the interpretation that the Gita, and the Mahabharata by extension,
[FairfieldLife] Views on Gita (was Love and God)
Turquoise: Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. I'd love to hear those who diss the Koran while praising the Gita explain to me how the latter is any less of a call for Jihad (holy war) than the former. In both books you've got the spiritual figure (Muhammed in the former, Krishna in the latter) telling the faithful that it's their DUTY to go out and kill thousands of people, *just because he says so*. Not only is this the way that they achieve dharma (holy action, right action), it's the way that they attain liberation in the afterlife. The only real difference I can see is that Muhammed promises the dweebs who do what he tells them to do a bunch of virgins in the afterlife and Krishna promises them moksha. And historically, followers of both books have used them to justify their religious wars. My suggestion is that Maharishi (and most commentators on the B-G) have never seen this aspect of it because they grew up conditioned to do whatever a supposedly religious figure told them to do. Devotion to the spiritual figure is seen as a given, something they can't conceive of as being questionable or having negative consequences. Having accepted this as not only normal but the highest dharma, they can't take that critical step back and see that what the religious figure is telling them to do is go out and kill as many of their fellow human beings (in the Gita's case, their own relatives) as possible, just because he says so. In a very real sense, Krishna in the Gita is the counterpart of Buck at FFL. We should send drones to kill these people I have designated as heretics. And we should do this because I say so. So there. - Turquoise, I am all for exploring outside the box. Though, of course, simple being outside the box, by it self, does not make something useful and valid. Perhaps nine of ten, or 99 out of 100 things outside the box are dross and dead-ends. But finding that one thing can I would hope, make the effort worthwhile. The demarcations of what is inside the box and outside may vary. At large scale, Xeno had some wonderful replies to a set of Dev. posts. recently. One theme being the universality of (at least) many religions and paths towards unfolding that what is inside the inner box is the same as that which is outside (the inner) box. On a more focussed scale, some may be living within a quite small box and venturing outside is indeed may feel to be an escape from Plato's Cave. I realize that like Russian dolls, others may be living inside a larger box, already containing my little box and what to me are astonishing insights are child's play to them. And if not abusing the analogy, we may be living in different boxes pertaining to different spheres of our lives. For example, someone well grounded in physics is living in a far vaster box than me in that domain, though (well for the sake of argument) I may be living in a larger box in at least a few domains within which their box is comparatively smaller. And it appears sometimes, what appears to be a large box is simply filled with hot air, smoke and mirrors. That is, a concise simple view may actually be a huge box -- having cut through all the jungle clutter. Thus, my suggesting that you have viewed the Gita in simple terms is neither a dismissal or compliment of your ideas. Each view needs to stand on its own merits. Some thoughts: 1) Per the story, prior to the battlefield, Krishna was Arjuna's friend. Upon being asked, Krishna became Arjuna's servant, his charioteer -- a lowly position. Only at Arjuna's request, did Krishna take on a role of guidance and counsel. Not until quite late in the Gita did Krisha reveal his universal form -- again at Arjuna's request. That form was so overwhelming, Arjuna begged Krishna to return to his form as friend. Arjuna asked many questions. Having gained insight from Krishna's replies, Arjuna placed more weight on Krishna's value as an advisor. By the end, Arjuna had all his questions answered, felt from his own view, that Krishna was the real deal (for him, Arjuna) and had no qualms about taking the totality of Krishna's advice . 2) From your posts, I know you appreciate the role of metaphors. Many view the battlefield in the Gita as metaphor -- which does not validate -- but perhaps is worthy of consideration. (a quick cut and past from Wiki) Eknath Easwaran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eknath_Easwaran writes that the Gita 's subject is the war within, the struggle for self-mastery that every human being must wage if he or she is to emerge from life victorious,[53] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_Gita#cite_note-84 and that The language of battle is often found in the scriptures, for it conveys the strenuous, long,
[FairfieldLife] Book of Symbols
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Outside the Box / Gita (Fascinating essay)
Turquiose: I'm going to follow up on this, because 1) it's part of a pattern I see on FFL, 2) it ties in with other posts I've made here, and similar reactions to them, and 3) I'm a little surprised that it's actually YOU doing the reacting this time, s3raphita. I like thinking about religion and spirituality in out of the box ways, ways that approach the old stories from new perspectives, and that challenge us to step out of the conditioned boxes we've been taught to think within and approach these stories from wholly new perspectives. Thus I really *liked* Valerie Tarico's article. I think she brought up a valid and interesting point about religion, and not just Western or Christian religion -- that women have *zero* rights within those religions, at least when it comes to doing what they're told to do, by either gods, or people claiming to represent those gods. I *like* out of the box stuff like this. In fact, I recently made another post in which I touched on a (to me) similar subject: Turquoise: Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. I'd love to hear those who diss the Koran while praising the Gita explain to me how the latter is any less of a call for Jihad (holy war) than the former. In both books you've got the spiritual figure (Muhammed in the former, Krishna in the latter) telling the faithful that it's their DUTY to go out and kill thousands of people, *just because he says so*. Not only is this the way that they achieve dharma (holy action, right action), it's the way that they attain liberation in the afterlife. The only real difference I can see is that Muhammed promises the dweebs who do what he tells them to do a bunch of virgins in the afterlife and Krishna promises them moksha. And historically, followers of both books have used them to justify their religious wars. My suggestion is that Maharishi (and most commentators on the B-G) have never seen this aspect of it because they grew up conditioned to do whatever a supposedly religious figure told them to do. Devotion to the spiritual figure is seen as a given, something they can't conceive of as being questionable or having negative consequences. Having accepted this as not only normal but the highest dharma, they can't take that critical step back and see that what the religious figure is telling them to do is go out and kill as many of their fellow human beings (in the Gita's case, their own relatives) as possible, just because he says so. In a very real sense, Krishna in the Gita is the counterpart of Buck at FFL. We should send drones to kill these people I have designated as heretics. And we should do this because I say so. So there. - Turquoise, I am all for exploring outside the box. Though, of course, simple being outside the box, by it self, does not make something useful and valid. Perhaps nine of ten, or 99 out of 100 things outside the box are dross and dead-ends. But finding that one thing can I would hope, make the effort worthwhile. The demarcations of what is inside the box and outside may vary. At large scale, Xeno had some wonderful replies to a set of Dev. posts. recently. One theme being the universality of (at least) many religions and paths towards unfolding that what is inside the inner box is the same as that which is outside (the inner) box. On a more focussed scale, some may be living within a quite small box and venturing outside is indeed may feel to be an escape from Plato's Cave. I realize that like Russian dolls, others may be living inside a larger box, already containing my little box and what to me are astonishing insights are child's play to them. And if not abusing the analogy, we may be living in different boxes pertaining to different spheres of our lives. For example, someone well grounded in physics is living in a far vaster box than me in that domain, though (well for the sake of argument) I may be living in a larger box in at least a few domains within which their box is comparatively smaller. And it appears sometimes, what appears to be a large box is simply filled with hot air, smoke and mirrors. That is, a concise simple view may actually be a huge box -- having cut through all the jungle clutter. Thus, my suggesting that you have viewed the Gita in simple terms is neither a dismissal or compliment of your ideas. Each view needs to stand on its own merits. Some thoughts: 1) Per the story, prior to the battlefield, Krishna was Arjuna's friend. Upon being asked, Krishna became Arjuna's servant, his charioteer -- a lowly position. Only at Arjuna's request, did Krishna take on a role of guidance and counsel. Not until quite late in the Gita did Krisha reveal his universal form -- again at Arjuna's request. That
Re: [FairfieldLife] Views on Gita (was Love and God)
From: seerd...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Views on Gita (was Love and God) Turquoise: Exactly. At its heart, the Gita is the story of Doing What You're Told By Your Superiors, no matter what your own sense of discrimination, honor, and right and wrong tell you. I'd love to hear those who diss the Koran while praising the Gita explain to me how the latter is any less of a call for Jihad (holy war) than the former. In both books you've got the spiritual figure (Muhammed in the former, Krishna in the latter) telling the faithful that it's their DUTY to go out and kill thousands of people, *just because he says so*. Not only is this the way that they achieve dharma (holy action, right action), it's the way that they attain liberation in the afterlife. The only real difference I can see is that Muhammed promises the dweebs who do what he tells them to do a bunch of virgins in the afterlife and Krishna promises them moksha. And historically, followers of both books have used them to justify their religious wars. My suggestion is that Maharishi (and most commentators on the B-G) have never seen this aspect of it because they grew up conditioned to do whatever a supposedly religious figure told them to do. Devotion to the spiritual figure is seen as a given, something they can't conceive of as being questionable or having negative consequences. Having accepted this as not only normal but the highest dharma, they can't take that critical step back and see that what the religious figure is telling them to do is go out and kill as many of their fellow human beings (in the Gita's case, their own relatives) as possible, just because he says so. In a very real sense, Krishna in the Gita is the counterpart of Buck at FFL. We should send drones to kill these people I have designated as heretics. And we should do this because I say so. So there. - Turquoise, I am all for exploring outside the box. Though, of course, simple being outside the box, by it self, does not make something useful and valid. Perhaps nine of ten, or 99 out of 100 things outside the box are dross and dead-ends. But finding that one thing can I would hope, make the effort worthwhile. I am sorry that 99% of the out of the box experiences you had on this planet appeared to you as dead ends, and thus did not prove worthwhile. My experience has been otherwise. The demarcations of what is inside the box and outside may vary. At large scale, Xeno had some wonderful replies to a set of Dev. posts. recently. One theme being the universality of (at least) many religions and paths towards unfolding that what is inside the inner box is the same as that which is outside (the inner) box. On a more focussed scale, some may be living within a quite small box and venturing outside is indeed may feel to be an escape from Plato's Cave. I realize that like Russian dolls, others may be living inside a larger box, already containing my little box and what to me are astonishing insights are child's play to them. And if not abusing the analogy, we may be living in different boxes pertaining to different spheres of our lives. For example, someone well grounded in physics is living in a far vaster box than me in that domain, though (well for the sake of argument) I may be living in a larger box in at least a few domains within which their box is comparatively smaller. And it appears sometimes, what appears to be a large box is simply filled with hot air, smoke and mirrors. That is, a concise simple view may actually be a huge box -- having cut through all the jungle clutter. Thus, my suggesting that you have viewed the Gita in simple terms is neither a dismissal or compliment of your ideas. Each view needs to stand on its own merits. Some thoughts:1) Per the story, prior to the battlefield, Krishna was Arjuna's friend. Upon being asked, Krishna became Arjuna's servant, his charioteer -- a lowly position. Only at Arjuna's request, did Krishna take on a role of guidance and counsel. Not until quite late in the Gita did Krisha reveal his universal form -- again at Arjuna's request. That form was so overwhelming, Arjuna begged Krishna to return to his form as friend. Arjuna asked many questions. Having gained insight from Krishna's replies, Arjuna placed more weight on Krishna's value as an advisor. By the end, Arjuna had all his questions answered, felt from his own view, that Krishna was the real deal (for him, Arjuna) and had no qualms about taking the totality of Krishna's advice . So you're saying it's all OK if Arjuna drinks the Kool-Aid? 2) From your posts, I know you appreciate the role of metaphors. Many view the battlefield in the Gita as metaphor -- which does not validate -- but perhaps is worthy of consideration. It may be. But not my
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
On this first day of winter when all of us old meditators are being mercilessly into the depths of black hell darkness and demonic evil negativity here on FFl, I suggest that we have a period of silence ending at 12:01am on January 11th. I further suggest that the silence last for a full 108 seconds - from 11:58:13pm - 12:01am. This will renew FFL to its peak of bliss and harmony that it has previously been and will further remove all affects of the negative thoughts that have built up due to the refusal of the moderators in banning every opinion they did not like. Sincerely, The OT Prophets Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to do with Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped the Fairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding of negativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. It is time to separate Fairfield and Fairfieldlife away from that. Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find that Re-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middle way of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is very descriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here. You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator I should feel categorically that we should not negotiate with terrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank 'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybill writes : Buck - yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start with a healthy period of silence on FFL and then re-title the home page over to: The_Abyss. That new title would better represent the forum as it has devolved in to the hands of mostly non-Fairfield neganauts. Let us start anew in a period of silence. Let us have no thing here until at the least, 12 January 2015. -Buck in Fairfield Dear Rick; Yep, great idea. Re-name/re-brand the Fairfieldlife group. Re-title FFL on the home page to: The_Abyss at Yahoo-groups. Now that quite transparently and truthfully seems a positive and honest idea. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Aryavazhi here has a brilliant Idea.. but have a different idea: In response to the recent exodus from FFL, rename the [FFL] group to: The_Abyss Let FFL on Yahoo-groups take a long period of silence towards re-grouping what once we had in more golden times of FFL. With Fond Regards, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa The seasonal long night is upon us now! Would be a great time to start a renewal for FFL: December Solstice 2014: December 21, at 23:03 UTC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules, I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and installed Jarmar Nigelah to rule for a 1000 years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yes, let FFL take a holiday in a very seasonal silent self-referral reflection as a timely rejuvenation and help shift some of these people out who have usurped what was once a kinder welcoming community forum of FFL. It would be a fine time to start towards re-setting FFL's rightful bearings. Let FFL take a period of silence, a time out; let it take a long quiet time meditation for some while in hibernation. This would be a firm step in communal progress. It is a shame otherwise to just let it be overrun and taken over by the unkindness it has become. Respectfully, -Buck in Fairfield Rick it is not being unreasonable asking for this. It is time now to act to realign FFL away from the malignancy of unkindness that has become entrenched here. -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to the clear blue skies and glistening waters of purity and abstemiousness of words, by indulging FFL in a cone of silence at least until December 25th. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while. Yes, let us have a holiday of silence on FFL. A FFL going-on-holiday in to and then coming out of a silence then anew in the making of something kinder like a renewing of the communal FFL forum. Dear Rick, Yes host an extended period of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
I'm down with this. It's got lots of numbers in it, so it must be true. From: jamesalan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 6:58 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye On this first day of winter when all of us old meditators are being mercilessly into the depths of black hell darkness and demonic evil negativity here on FFl, I suggest that we have a period of silence ending at 12:01am on January 11th. I further suggest that the silence last for a full 108 seconds - from 11:58:13pm - 12:01am. This will renew FFL to its peak of bliss and harmony that it has previously been and will further remove all affects of the negative thoughts that have built up due to the refusal of the moderators in banning every opinion they did not like. Sincerely, The OT Prophets Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to dowith Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped theFairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding ofnegativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. Itis time to separate Fairfield and Fairfieldlife awayfrom that.Sincerely,-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find thatRe-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middleway of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is verydescriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here.You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator Ishould feel categorically that we should not negotiate withterrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybillwrites :Buck- yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start with a healthy period of silence onFFL and then re-title the home page over to: The_Abyss. That newtitle would better represent the forum as it has devolved in to thehands of mostly non-Fairfield neganauts. Let us start anew in aperiod of silence. Let us have no thing here until at the least, 12January 2015. -Buck in Fairfield Dear Rick; Yep, great idea. Re-name/re-brand the Fairfieldlife group. Re-title FFL on thehome page to: The_Abyss at Yahoo-groups. Now that quitetransparently and truthfully seems a positive and honest idea. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Aryavazhi here has a brilliant Idea..but have a different idea: In response to the recent exodus fromFFL, rename the [FFL] group to: The_Abyss Let FFL on Yahoo-groups take a longperiod of silence towards re-grouping what once we had in more golden timesof FFL.With Fond Regards,-Buck in Fairfield, Iowa The seasonal long night is upon us now! Would be a great time to start a renewal for FFL: December Solstice 2014: December 21, at23:03 UTC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules, I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and installed Jarmar Nigelah to rule for a 1000 years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yes, let FFL take a holidayin a very seasonal silent self-referral reflection as a timely rejuvenation and help shift some of these people out who have usurped what wasonce a kinder welcoming community forum of FFL. It would be a finetime to start towards re-setting FFL's rightful bearings. Let FFLtake a period of silence, a time out; let it take a long quiet timemeditation for some while in hibernation. This would be a firm stepin communal progress. It is a shame otherwise to just let it be overrun and taken over by the unkindness it has become. Respectfully, -Buck in Fairfield Rick it is not being unreasonableasking for this. It is time now to act to realign FFL away from themalignancy of unkindness that has become entrenched here. -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to the clear blue skies and glistening waters of purity and abstemiousness of words, by indulging FFL in a cone of silence at least until December 25th. Rick; to save FFL I feel you shouldjust suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while. Yes, let
[FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
On this first day of winter when all of us old meditators are being mercilessly into the depths of black hell darkness and demonic evil negativity here on FFl, I suggest that we have a period of silence ending at 12:01am on January 12th. I further suggest that the silence last for a full 108 seconds - from 11:58:13pm - 12:01am. This will renew FFL to its peak of bliss and harmony that it has previously been and will further remove all affects of the negative thoughts that have built up due to the refusal of the moderators in banning every opinion they did not like. Sincerely, The OT Prophets Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to do with Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped the Fairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding of negativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. It is time to separate Fairfield and Fairfieldlife away from that. Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Negotiating with terrorists? Nope, however I do find that Re-naming, Re-branding this place in to The-Abyss is a good middle way of dealing with it. It, the forum's seep in to The_Abyss is very descriptive of how it has gone down on the old list here. You know in our protecting the brand of FFL as it is under attack, then of course as an an old and conservative Fairfield, Iowa meditator I should feel categorically that we should not negotiate with terrorists. It's a bad precedent in strategy. Can't beat 'em head-on then flank 'em. -Buck in Fairfield emptybill writes : Buck - yer so right... Dear Rick; Yes, let us start with a healthy period of silence on FFL and then re-title the home page over to: The_Abyss. That new title would better represent the forum as it has devolved in to the hands of mostly non-Fairfield neganauts. Let us start anew in a period of silence. Let us have no thing here until at the least, 12 January 2015. -Buck in Fairfield Dear Rick; Yep, great idea. Re-name/re-brand the Fairfieldlife group. Re-title FFL on the home page to: The_Abyss at Yahoo-groups. Now that quite transparently and truthfully seems a positive and honest idea. -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa Dear Rick, Aryavazhi here has a brilliant Idea.. but have a different idea: In response to the recent exodus from FFL, rename the [FFL] group to: The_Abyss Let FFL on Yahoo-groups take a long period of silence towards re-grouping what once we had in more golden times of FFL. With Fond Regards, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa The seasonal long night is upon us now! Would be a great time to start a renewal for FFL: December Solstice 2014: December 21, at 23:03 UTC. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Dear Rick. I pray that in this time when both Old and New Testament believers float in the Dead Sea of self-aware vacuum states of Big Self vedic molecules, I implore that you do as the prophets Naveb and Sirrom did when they expelled those who worshipped false gods from the Golden Temples, and installed Jarmar Nigelah to rule for a 1000 years. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5@... wrote : Dear Rick, Yes, let FFL take a holiday in a very seasonal silent self-referral reflection as a timely rejuvenation and help shift some of these people out who have usurped what was once a kinder welcoming community forum of FFL. It would be a fine time to start towards re-setting FFL's rightful bearings. Let FFL take a period of silence, a time out; let it take a long quiet time meditation for some while in hibernation. This would be a firm step in communal progress. It is a shame otherwise to just let it be overrun and taken over by the unkindness it has become. Respectfully, -Buck in Fairfield Rick it is not being unreasonable asking for this. It is time now to act to realign FFL away from the malignancy of unkindness that has become entrenched here. -Buck in Fairfield ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jamesalan735@... wrote : Rick, in the spirit of this season, I ask you to lead in a spirit of moral upstandingness, as the Old Testament prophets Sirrom and Nevab expelled the vile speakers and negetators from the Great Temple in Jerusalem, and led their people from the desert and dry stones of blasphemy, and bile; to the clear blue skies and glistening waters of purity and abstemiousness of words, by indulging FFL in a cone of silence at least until December 25th. Rick; to save FFL I feel you should just suspend the posting function to FFL for a good while. Yes, let us have a holiday of silence on FFL. A FFL going-on-holiday in to and then coming out of a silence then anew in the making of something kinder like a renewing of the communal FFL forum. Dear Rick, Yes host an extended period of FFL
[FairfieldLife] Joe Cocker Moves On
The singer-songwriter best known for his cover of The Beatles' With a Little Help From My Friends, died after a battle with lung disease, reports The Yorkshire Post. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/22/joe-cocker-dead_n_6367648.html The angels will get a new voice in heaven.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
And in addition, Buck, I used to live in Fairfield, IA, at one time, and while I live in New York state, I live just 3 miles from Fairfield County, Connecticut, which is across the state line, and I shop there frequently. And occasionally I drive to the city of Fairfield, Connecticut for business purposes. So I have a triple Fairfield whammy here. It is all about the Fair Field of Life Note also that the description of Fairfield Life says 'Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.' Note the world everywhere [emphasis added]. I really do not like saying things like this but you seldom bring up topics; you rarely converse with anyone here; you spam mindless, repetitive requests; you seem unable to comprehend what goes on here. Whether you are or not, you act as if you are stupid and impaired to a significant degree, and in relation to the principles you pretend to espouse, you appear to be an absolute disgrace, embodying none of them, except going to the dome. You lack creativity, flexibility, field independence, and understanding of spiritual principles; you misunderstand the nature of science. You behave like a 19th century religious bigot. Let me know if I am wrong about this, as I am willing to retract this if you show some kind of normality. Every once in a while, an infrequent once in a while, you show potentials of normality, but it is not very often. What is so disturbing about the wide world, with its sublime beauties and inevitable darkness that you cannot handle? It is as if you have sunk into some mental abyss that you are unable to extract yourself from. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Uh Buck, that's because most of us don't live in Fairfield but WE DO have a connection with it. Instead of bitching why don't you share what's been going on in Fairfield? I even find your views and news on farming interesting. On 12/22/2014 08:36 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to do with Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped the Fairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding of negativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. It is time to separate Fairfield and Fairfieldlife away from that. Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rick - Until the Vicious Negativity is removed - Goodbye
I live about 15 miles south of Fairfield, California. It's an urban sprawl place probably more like SoCal than NorCal. Where I live is kinda Old Bay Area. It's where many Sicilians settled who came over to work in masonry. And I've been to Fairfield, IA once but not on TM business. On 12/22/2014 11:36 AM, anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: And in addition, Buck, I used to live in Fairfield, IA, at one time, and while I live in New York state, I live just 3 miles from Fairfield County, Connecticut, which is across the state line, and I shop there frequently. And occasionally I drive to the city of Fairfield, Connecticut for business purposes. So I have a triple Fairfield whammy here. It is all about the Fair Field of Life Note also that the description of Fairfield Life says 'Fairfield Life focuses on topics of interest to seekers (and finders) of truth and liberation everywhere.' Note the world everywhere [emphasis added]. I really do not like saying things like this but you seldom bring up topics; you rarely converse with anyone here; you spam mindless, repetitive requests; you seem unable to comprehend what goes on here. Whether you are or not, you act as if you are stupid and impaired to a significant degree, and in relation to the principles you pretend to espouse, you appear to be an absolute disgrace, embodying none of them, except going to the dome. You lack creativity, flexibility, field independence, and understanding of spiritual principles; you misunderstand the nature of science. You behave like a 19th century religious bigot. Let me know if I am wrong about this, as I am willing to retract this if you show some kind of normality. Every once in a while, an infrequent once in a while, you show potentials of normality, but it is not very often. What is so disturbing about the wide world, with its sublime beauties and inevitable darkness that you cannot handle? It is as if you have sunk into some mental abyss that you are unable to extract yourself from. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Uh Buck, that's because most of us don't live in Fairfield but WE DO have a connection with it. Instead of bitching why don't you share what's been going on in Fairfield? I even find your views and news on farming interesting. On 12/22/2014 08:36 AM, dhamiltony2k5@... mailto:dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Dear Rick, Yep, most the writers who remain posting here have nothing to do with Fairfield or Fairfield life. They have effectively usurped the Fairfieldlife brand with the dross of their own branding of negativity and unkindness that they bring here dumping in method. It is time to separate /Fairfield/ and /Fairfieldlife/ away from that. Sincerely, -Buck in Fairfield, Iowa
[FairfieldLife] That's How I Got to Fairfield (Until the Vicious ... Goodbye)
I thought Fairfield was a stand in for wherever you are, right now. (or is that Atman) Like in the song, That's How I Got to Memphis In the series finale of The Newsroom (e3.6): Charlie (News Director): “Name that tune.” Will (News Anchor): “Play a little more. …. Tom T. Hall, ‘That’s How I Got to Memphis’ “ Charlie: “You do play a little guitar on the side.” Will: “I do a little news anchoring on the side. Since when do you listen to country?” Charlie: “My grandson Beau, Katie’s oldest, he has a garage band. Ask me what instrument he plays. ” Will: “Guitar.” Charlie: “All of them. Seriously. He is a savant. You put an instrument in his hands, give him a day and he can play it. So, I was at their house last weekend and I wander out to the garage and I see Beau teaching ‘That’s How I Got to Memphis’ to his friends and I ask him, ‘What’s a kid from New Rochelle singing about Memphis?’ He said, ‘Memphis is a stand-in for wherever you are right now. That it really means is that’s how I got here.” That's how i got to Memphis - The Newsroom cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY That's how i got to Memphis - The Newsroom cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY The song played in memory of Charlie Skinner in the last episode of The Newsroom from HBO. I don't own any rights about it, but i think it was a really... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY Preview by Yahoo Vocals: Tom T. Hall Words Music: Tom T. Hall Original Album: Ballad of Forty Dollars (Mercury Records - 1969) If you love somebody enough, you'll follow wherever they go That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis If you love somebody enough, you'll go where your heart wants to go That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I know if you'd seen her, you'd tell me 'cause you are my friend I've got to find her and find out the trouble she's in If you tell me that she's not here, I'll follow the trail of her tears That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis She would get mad and she used to say, that she'd come back to Memphis someday That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I haven't eaten a bite or slept for three days and nights That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I've got to find her and tell her that I love her so I'll never rest till I find out why she had to go Thank you for your precious time, forgive me if I start to cryin' That's how I got to Memphis, That's how I got to Memphis... Original and cover versions Tom T. Hall Recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHV4PUZvgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHV4PUZvgY Tom T. Hall live at the Bluebird Cafe Tom T. Hall, That's How I Got To Memphis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU Tom T. Hall, That's How I Got To Memphis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU http://www.tomthall.net/ Tom T. Hall at the Bluebird Cafe on March 30, 2011 for Tin Pan South with Peter Cooper Eric Brace. http://www.bluebirdcafe.com/ View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU Preview by Yahoo New Found Road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cneWNpXdoOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cneWNpXdoOg Kelly Willis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCxqON0IWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCxqON0IWU Soulstack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMefo79C2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMefo79C2E Solomone Burke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu5G2y8FxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu5G2y8FxQ Rosanne and Johnny Cash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iTbbhk8x4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iTbbhk8x4 Charlie Sizemore Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJxblNjkoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJxblNjkoU Lizzy Ross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pGXkjVlks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pGXkjVlks
[FairfieldLife] Orangutan Wins Freedom from Zoo
Does this mean that this animal has become conscious and has become a person? A court in Argentina apparently thinks so. http://news.yahoo.com/captive-orangutan-human-freedom-argentine-court-rules-203651528.html http://news.yahoo.com/captive-orangutan-human-freedom-argentine-court-rules-203651528.html
[FairfieldLife] Re: That's How I Got to Fairfield (Until the Vicious ... Goodbye)
I agree. Even the Old Testament has many references to a fair field. “For the fruit felleth from the spirit, and the field of blood turneth to a fair field, unto this day.” [Obadiah 5:34] Sincerely, The OT Prophets Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : I thought Fairfield was a stand in for wherever you are, right now. (or is that Atman) Like in the song, That's How I Got to Memphis In the series finale of The Newsroom (e3.6): Charlie (News Director): “Name that tune.” Will (News Anchor): “Play a little more. …. Tom T. Hall, ‘That’s How I Got to Memphis’ “ Charlie: “You do play a little guitar on the side.” Will: “I do a little news anchoring on the side. Since when do you listen to country?” Charlie: “My grandson Beau, Katie’s oldest, he has a garage band. Ask me what instrument he plays. ” Will: “Guitar.” Charlie: “All of them. Seriously. He is a savant. You put an instrument in his hands, give him a day and he can play it. So, I was at their house last weekend and I wander out to the garage and I see Beau teaching ‘That’s How I Got to Memphis’ to his friends and I ask him, ‘What’s a kid from New Rochelle singing about Memphis?’ He said, ‘Memphis is a stand-in for wherever you are right now. That it really means is that’s how I got here.” That's how i got to Memphis - The Newsroom cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY That's how i got to Memphis - The Newsroom cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY The song played in memory of Charlie Skinner in the last episode of The Newsroom from HBO. I don't own any rights about it, but i think it was a really... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY Preview by Yahoo Vocals: Tom T. Hall Words Music: Tom T. Hall Original Album: Ballad of Forty Dollars (Mercury Records - 1969) If you love somebody enough, you'll follow wherever they go That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis If you love somebody enough, you'll go where your heart wants to go That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I know if you'd seen her, you'd tell me 'cause you are my friend I've got to find her and find out the trouble she's in If you tell me that she's not here, I'll follow the trail of her tears That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis She would get mad and she used to say, that she'd come back to Memphis someday That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I haven't eaten a bite or slept for three days and nights That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I've got to find her and tell her that I love her so I'll never rest till I find out why she had to go Thank you for your precious time, forgive me if I start to cryin' That's how I got to Memphis, That's how I got to Memphis... Original and cover versions Tom T. Hall Recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHV4PUZvgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHV4PUZvgY Tom T. Hall live at the Bluebird Cafe Tom T. Hall, That's How I Got To Memphis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU Tom T. Hall, That's How I Got To Memphis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU http://www.tomthall.net/ Tom T. Hall at the Bluebird Cafe on March 30, 2011 for Tin Pan South with Peter Cooper Eric Brace. http://www.bluebirdcafe.com/ View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU Preview by Yahoo New Found Road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cneWNpXdoOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cneWNpXdoOg Kelly Willis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCxqON0IWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCxqON0IWU Soulstack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMefo79C2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMefo79C2E Solomone Burke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu5G2y8FxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu5G2y8FxQ Rosanne and Johnny Cash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iTbbhk8x4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iTbbhk8x4 Charlie Sizemore Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJxblNjkoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJxblNjkoU Lizzy Ross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pGXkjVlks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pGXkjVlks
[FairfieldLife] Re: That's How I Got to Fairfield (Until the Vicious ... Goodbye)
We agree. Even the Old Testament has many references to a fair field. “For the fruit felleth from the spirit, and the field of blood turneth to a fair field, unto this day.” [Obadiah 5:34] Sincerely, The OT Prophets Naveb, Sirrom, Jarmar Nilegah ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, seerdope@... wrote : I thought Fairfield was a stand in for wherever you are, right now. (or is that Atman) Like in the song, That's How I Got to Memphis In the series finale of The Newsroom (e3.6): Charlie (News Director): “Name that tune.” Will (News Anchor): “Play a little more. …. Tom T. Hall, ‘That’s How I Got to Memphis’ “ Charlie: “You do play a little guitar on the side.” Will: “I do a little news anchoring on the side. Since when do you listen to country?” Charlie: “My grandson Beau, Katie’s oldest, he has a garage band. Ask me what instrument he plays. ” Will: “Guitar.” Charlie: “All of them. Seriously. He is a savant. You put an instrument in his hands, give him a day and he can play it. So, I was at their house last weekend and I wander out to the garage and I see Beau teaching ‘That’s How I Got to Memphis’ to his friends and I ask him, ‘What’s a kid from New Rochelle singing about Memphis?’ He said, ‘Memphis is a stand-in for wherever you are right now. That it really means is that’s how I got here.” That's how i got to Memphis - The Newsroom cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY That's how i got to Memphis - The Newsroom cast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY The song played in memory of Charlie Skinner in the last episode of The Newsroom from HBO. I don't own any rights about it, but i think it was a really... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuVpT1mv5KY Preview by Yahoo Vocals: Tom T. Hall Words Music: Tom T. Hall Original Album: Ballad of Forty Dollars (Mercury Records - 1969) If you love somebody enough, you'll follow wherever they go That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis If you love somebody enough, you'll go where your heart wants to go That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I know if you'd seen her, you'd tell me 'cause you are my friend I've got to find her and find out the trouble she's in If you tell me that she's not here, I'll follow the trail of her tears That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis She would get mad and she used to say, that she'd come back to Memphis someday That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I haven't eaten a bite or slept for three days and nights That's how I got to Memphis, that's how I got to Memphis I've got to find her and tell her that I love her so I'll never rest till I find out why she had to go Thank you for your precious time, forgive me if I start to cryin' That's how I got to Memphis, That's how I got to Memphis... Original and cover versions Tom T. Hall Recording https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHV4PUZvgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDHV4PUZvgY Tom T. Hall live at the Bluebird Cafe Tom T. Hall, That's How I Got To Memphis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU Tom T. Hall, That's How I Got To Memphis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU http://www.tomthall.net/ Tom T. Hall at the Bluebird Cafe on March 30, 2011 for Tin Pan South with Peter Cooper Eric Brace. http://www.bluebirdcafe.com/ View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA3XOdvo1MU Preview by Yahoo New Found Road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cneWNpXdoOg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cneWNpXdoOg Kelly Willis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCxqON0IWU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHCxqON0IWU Soulstack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMefo79C2E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKMefo79C2E Solomone Burke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu5G2y8FxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJu5G2y8FxQ Rosanne and Johnny Cash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iTbbhk8x4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5iTbbhk8x4 Charlie Sizemore Band https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJxblNjkoU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpJxblNjkoU Lizzy Ross https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pGXkjVlks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8pGXkjVlks
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period
I see you're in troll mode today. Re Reposted it in case someone had anything intelligent to say about it. Too bad you didn't: Define intelligent. I wasn't exactly having a rant! Re I'm sorry you thought my post was tacky. I think your reply was somewhat more so.: You think wrong. Re As you actually imply in your reply, s3raphita, she should have looked at being told she was about to get knocked up by god as a unique, world-historical privilege. You don't see a little MALE privilege built into this concept?: The idea that if a god makes a move on a human they are *equal* partners is a little naive. Gods have privileges denied to lesser mortals. Not so sure about the MALE bit either. In the legend of Hippolytus, Aphrodite is the cause of his death. He scorned the worship of Aphrodite, preferring Artemis. Aphrodite caused his stepmother, Phaedra, to fall in love with him, knowing Hippolytus would reject her. This led to Phaedra's suicide, and the death of Hippolytus. So goddesses can be bitches just as gods can be pigs. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : Just to follow up, I found time to read a Babelfished version of the German article, and found it interesting. But not interesting enough to really comment on. Thanks, though for your comments, and the invitation to a discussion. Trouble is, I am the furthest person you have ever met from a Biblical scholar, or even a person with any interest in the Bible. It's not that I haven't read it; it's that I have, and don't have the slightest desire to *ever* read it again. So although I can see that the changing views over time of these various books of the Bible, influenced by the politics and the social forces of various eras, would be fascinating to those who know those books, it isn't fascinating to me because I don't. To clarify about my unwillingness to correct this deficiency and learn more about the Bible, it's more a preference issue for me than it is a religious/atheist issue. I still read the occasional spiritual work for purposes of inspiration. The issue is that I'm just not *inspired* by most of the stories in the Bible. They just don't turn me on or resonate with my inner being. They often seem simplistic or obvious or distasteful or all of the above. If I were looking to read things that are regarded as scriptures and actually be *inspired* by them, I'd have to turn to Tibetan works, or Native American shaman tales. Or old Celtic or Norse myths. I don't know why this is. I just can't get it up for *any* of the three major Middle Eastern monotheist religions, or their scriptures. Given how all three have turned out over these last 2-3 millennia, I'm not exactly drawn to them as a source of wisdom. :-) From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during this Christmas period Good response. I have to work today so don't have time to dive into the translation of the German article or reply in depth (and may not have anything to say when I do have time), but your mention of the political and social forces that influenced the different books of the Bible reminded me of -- of all things -- this article that I stumbled upon yesterday. In it, the author Phil Zuckerman rather eloquently deals with the rise of secularism and pooh-poohs the rather egotistic notion from modern atheists that THEY are responsible for it. He makes some valid points that reveal the political and sociological forces that have been working for many years to move people away from belief in religion and towards belief in more humanist philosophies. We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher and the exploding new American secularism http://www.salon.com/2014/12/20/were_putting_an_end_to_religion_richard_dawkins_bill_maher_and_the_exploding_new_american_secularism/ http://www.salon.com/2014/12/20/were_putting_an_end_to_religion_richard_dawkins_bill_maher_and_the_exploding_new_american_secularism/ We’re putting an end to religion: Richard Dawkins, Bill ... http://www.salon.com/2014/12/20/were_putting_an_end_to_religion_richard_dawkins_bill_maher_and_the_exploding_new_american_secularism/ Religious right extremism, new atheists late-night mockery have religion on the run. American secularism's rising View on www.salon.com http://www.salon.com/2014/12/20/were_putting_an_end_to_religion_richard_dawkins_bill_maher_and_the_exploding_new_american_secularism/ Preview by Yahoo From: aryavazhi no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fascinating essay to read during
[FairfieldLife] CrankfieldLife
Crank (person) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_%28person%29 Crank (person) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_%28person%29 Crank is a pejorative term used for a person who holds an unshakable belief that most of his or her contemporaries consider to be false.[1] A crank belief is so wildly at variance with those commonly held as to be ludicrous. Cranks characteristically dis... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crank_%28person%29 Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] stuck the dead past
MJ most of all.
[FairfieldLife] The answer lies within
http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/mental-health/the-answer-lies-within-30850382.html http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/mental-health/the-answer-lies-within-30850382.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos
How much do you actually know about ISIS? Have you noticed that some of the video interviews they've done that the ISIS young guys seem to be a little too comfortable with western slang? Does that suggest something to you? It does me. I've mostly heard the ISIS Brits who seem to be fully functional in the modern world. They talk like they have arrived from the streets of a British city. They proly have and thus are comfortable speaking whatever they like.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Dominant Life Form in the Cosmos
The ones I saw interviewed were probably from Kentucky. On 12/22/2014 06:36 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: How much do you actually know about ISIS? Have you noticed that some of the video interviews they've done that the ISIS young guys seem to be a little too comfortable with western slang? Does that suggest something to you? It does me. I've mostly heard the ISIS Brits who seem to be fully functional in the modern world. They talk like they have arrived from the streets of a British city. They proly have and thus are comfortable speaking whatever they like.
Re: [FairfieldLife] stuck the dead past
People who believe in the lies and bullshit of Marshy Mahesh the Con Artist are
the ones who are stuck in the past. The Old Goat is dead and you still swallow
his nonsense? You ran smack into the tar baby and didn't know it.
From: sri...@ymail.com sri...@ymail.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 9:22 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] stuck the dead past
MJ most of all.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: That's How I Got to Fairfield (Until the Vicious ... Goodbye)
Forgive me if I start to cryin' By the time Lizzie lays it down...well.I guess I'll listen to her again and put up a few more Christmas lights.
[FairfieldLife] Putler reopens possibility...
Putin Reopens Possibility for Preemptive Attack on the West, Zhilin Says http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-reopens-possibility-for-preemptive-attack-on-the-west-zhilin-says/ http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-reopens-possibility-for-preemptive-attack-on-the-west-zhilin-says/ Putin Reopens Possibility for Preemptive Attack on the W... http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-reopens-possibility-for-preemptive-attack-on-the-west-zhilin-says/ Red Square, November 7, 2014. Photo by RIA Novosti Putin Reopens Possibility for Preemptive Attack on the West, Zhilin Says Paul Goble Dece... View on www.inter... http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-reopens-possibility-for-preemptive-attack-on-the-west-zhilin-says/ Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Putler reopens possibility...
In Putin’s own words, “Russia as always will consistently defend its interests and sovereignty and will seek to strengthen international stability and support equal security for all states and peoples.” And that means, Zhilin says, that “in the case of danger for Russia in financial, technological or raw material markets, our response can be military.”
