Re: [FairfieldLife] Apocalypse soon...

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

This is very sad to read that young sea lion pups are being abandoned by their 
mothers.  Nature is telling us there's something wrong with the ecosystem 
that's not producing the necessary food for the animals.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Starving & sick: Sea lion pups wash ashore in record numbers, global warming 
blamed  
 http://rt.com/usa/240609-california-stranded-sea-lion-pups/ 
http://rt.com/usa/240609-california-stranded-sea-lion-pups/
 
 More likely Fukushima is to blame.
 
 On 03/16/2015 11:50 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
 
   

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.
 
 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims
 
 
 
 
 
 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitabl... Humanity has raced 
past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, and we're inching 
close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist has ...


 
 View on www.independent.co.uk 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 
 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Equal-time cult bashinge.

[emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The key to this Salon article is to realize that Michael Roach practiced 
make-it-up Tantric Buddhism.  His ultimate faith was in his own self - which is 
peculiar since by Buddhist standards he doesn't have one.
 This is one reason that Traditional Tibetan Lamas no longer trust most Western 
students and just go for the money.

[FairfieldLife] Welcome to the Cannabis Corner

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

NORTH BONNEVILLE, Wash. — Deep in the Columbia River Gorge, a short 
drive from the Bridge of the Gods, the nation’s only government-run 
marijuana shop was running low on weed.

http://wapo.st/1xt5fqy

Put that in your chillum and smoke it.

[FairfieldLife] The Beginning of the Police State

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

White House office to delete its FOIA regulations
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| White House office to delete its FOIA regulationsThe White House Office of 
Administration says it's not an agency under the Freedom of Information Act |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hell no!  You put a great line together!  Putting, making continual movie and 
tv reviews on the pedestal of "constructive quest for understanding" 

 now, there's a top 10 post of the month, and...more importantly, 
likely to get a pat on the head from Barry.
 

 oh, sometime, id be neat to see how you are able to spend so much time on your 
job posting to FFL!
 

 maybe call center duties, or something?  (-;
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Negativity or reality?  And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of 
folks here watch TV.  Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading 
the Gita?
 

 One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or 
something - I'm too tired to get a good line together
 

 And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's 
funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the 
Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going 
"Yah Boo" all day.
 
  
 BTW, did you buy that big pickup truck?
 
 On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool 
of negativity (and TV reviews)
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone 
is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, 
lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of 
the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the 
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in 
his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 
 
 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 
 
 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 
 
 Everyone else has written you off.
 
 
 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 
 
 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 
 
 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 
 
 
 
 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 
 
 
 
 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 
 
 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 
 
 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 
 
 
 
 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Nothing wrong with TV and movie reviews.  

 I am just surprised at how much time some people have to dedicate to those 
endeavors.
 

 But that is coming from someone who watches maybe a couple hours of TV a week, 
and maybe sees one or two movies a month.
 

 It was not a big pick up truck that I purchased.  It was a midsize, of what 
previously was a small size, before the 2015 redesign.
 

 I've been very pleased with it, especially coming off a very basic work truck 
with few amenities.
 

 That truck purchased in 2008 with the recession in mind, also served it's 
purpose well.
 

 Thanks for asking.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Negativity or reality?  And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of 
folks here watch TV.  Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading 
the Gita?
 
 BTW, did you buy that big pickup truck?
 
 On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool 
of negativity (and TV reviews)
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone 
is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, 
lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of 
the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the 
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in 
his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 
 
 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 
 
 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 
 
 Everyone else has written you off.
 
 
 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 
 
 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 
 
 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 
 
 
 
 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 
 
 
 
 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 
 
 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 
 
 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 
 
 
 
 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 
 
 From: feste37  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse soon...

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 “I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ANOTHER GODDAMN THING ABOUT MY CARBON FOOTPRINT.” 

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/dont-tell-glenn-reynolds.php 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/03/dont-tell-glenn-reynolds.php  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.

 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html

 
 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 
 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitabl... 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has ...


 
 View on www.independent.co.uk 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 



  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

On 03/16/2015 03:31 PM, salyavin808 wrote:





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Negativity or reality?  And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? 
Lots of folks here watch TV. Are they supposed to be spending their 
evenings reading the Gita?


One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for 
understanding, or something - I'm too tired to get a good line 
together


And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets 
tedious. It's funny though, the only really negative people here are 
Stevie Wonder and the Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would 
spend so much energy just going "Yah Boo" all day.


Bible talk is all fiction anyway.  Tomorrow night we get to see if 
there's any leprechaun zombies on iZombie when it debuts on the CW. Odd 
night for a debut.





BTW, did you buy that big pickup truck?

On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:




FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation,
mostly just a pool of negativity (and TV reviews)


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can
see everyone is following it to a lesser or greater degree,
unconsciously or consciously, lackadaisically or with focus. It
seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of the process, the
things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are
not there in his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and
intelligence.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here.

You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such,
you've ended up in some lonely back water.

You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.

Everyone else has written you off.

As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.

BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.

Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

*/Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no
compunctions about projecting your "They hate Maharishi"
fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't true, at least in my case.
How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and motivations?"
/*
*/
/*
*/I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM
movement. If I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists
in general. I find them fascinating, no matter what the cult. On
FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting things that have the
intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists they
have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the
things I post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but
so far you haven't.
/*
*/
/*
*/But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a
couple of 10-second Google searches that show that the TMO's
latest buzzphrase in their latest propaganda ("global repair
mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current "buzzword du
jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to
demonize ME. AGAIN. /*
*/
/*
*/What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your
cultist buttons pushed? AGAIN. /*
*/
/*
*/Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who
claims not to be a cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted
by the very notion that I suggest you're one, how do you react to
the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that srijau just
posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm."
Was that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM
movement? It certainly wasn't mine.
/*
*/
/*
*/For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course
in which several dozen people were placed in special "twitching
groups" and forced to sit together at the front of the lecture
hall because they were twitching and spasming and shouting
uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in meditation.
It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition
persisted in many of these people for months or years after they
went home from this course, and that there had never been any
sign of such an affliction before they went to that TTC course.
Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM was
not the *cause* of all of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse soon...

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You just made our day with this piece of news.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 All part of my Global Bad News service ;-)
 

 Seriously though, what is the point of the modern world if what we do is just 
bound to end in tears that might even take us with them? 

You sound very depressed and maybe you're adopting an apocalyptic doomsday 
view. This sometimes happens to people in cults. Have you considered getting 
some help from a cult-exit counselor? If not, why not?

One thing you might consider is that you will probably be dead before the world 
ends. Maybe it would be a good thing to try and do some good for others with 
the little time you have left. 

I think it's fascinating that politicians only get elected if they promise 
growth but that guarantees destruction because you can't have infinite growth 
on a finite planet. Why are we as a species so short-sighted?
 

 I suspect it's because we evolved to live in small family groups and it's 
still hard - if not impossible - to think globally. And then there's laziness, 
a recent study found that people's concept of progress amounted to them having 
an easier life, and that was it! People don;t want to hear that their new car, 
computer, holiday in Barbados etc is going to have ramifications throughout the 
future of the planet because they can't grasp that everyone has to have a new 
car etc...
 

 There are solutions - plenty of them - but they don't get taken up wholesale. 
The human race seems programmed to leave everything to the last possible minute 
then appoint a committee to decide what to do without annoying the people that 
got rich off the proceeds in the first place.
 

 This is why I propose we get off Earth and start again somewhere else and 
leave the remaining wildlife here as a museum to financial folly. It sounds 
plausible that we can have infinite growth in an infinite universe but even the 
planned manned mission to Mars looks like being abandoned because the backers 
aren't sure they'll be able to make any money out of it after all!
 

 You've got to laugh. Let's wipe ourselves out and let the ants take over.
 

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.

 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html

 
 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 
 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitabl... 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has ...


 
 View on www.independent.co.uk 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

 




  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 There's nothing wrong with TV or reading movie reviews, but some of us come 
here to get away from mundane activities like that. Maybe we came here to get 
some spiritual help. Why won't y0u help us? 

Maybe we're not pirates downloading movies to watch; maybe we don't have 
Netflix; maybe we don't even have a TV. Why not post your comments on a movie 
or TV site? 

There should be someplace on the internet for TMers to visit and be able to 
exchange information about the mechanics of consciousness without being 
harassed by some disgruntled former TMO employees posing as spiritual teachers. 

Most TMers aren't even interested in many of the TV shows the two Barrys watch. 
Go figure.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Negativity or reality?  And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of 
folks here watch TV.  Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading 
the Gita?
 
 BTW, did you buy that big pickup truck?
 
 On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool 
of negativity (and TV reviews)
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone 
is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, 
lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of 
the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the 
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in 
his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 
 
 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 
 
 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 
 
 Everyone else has written you off.
 
 
 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 
 
 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 
 
 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 
 
 
 
 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 
 
 
 
 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 
 
 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 
 
 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 
 
 
 
 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 
 
 From: feste37  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, it's all about Steve and Richard. Go figure.

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's 
funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the 
Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going 
"Yah Boo" all day.
 
 On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool 
of negativity (and TV reviews)
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Negativity or reality?  And what's wrong with TV (and movie) reviews? Lots of 
folks here watch TV.  Are they supposed to be spending their evenings reading 
the Gita?
 

 One man's negativity is another's constructive quest for understanding, or 
something - I'm too tired to get a good line together
 

 And I'm all for TV and movie reviews, too much bible talk gets tedious. It's 
funny though, the only really negative people here are Stevie Wonder and the 
Lone Star Troll. It's bizarre that anyone would spend so much energy just going 
"Yah Boo" all day.
 
  
 BTW, did you buy that big pickup truck?
 
 On 03/16/2015 07:22 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   
 FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool 
of negativity (and TV reviews)
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:anartaxius@... wrote :
 
 What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone 
is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, 
lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of 
the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the 
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in 
his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 
 
 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 
 
 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 
 
 Everyone else has written you off.
 
 
 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 
 
 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 
 
 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 
 
 
 
 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 
 
 
 
 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 
 
 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 
 
 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 
 
 
 
 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 
 
 From: feste37  mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
   You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Apocalypse soon...

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

Starving & sick: Sea lion pups wash ashore in record numbers, global 
warming blamed

http://rt.com/usa/240609-california-stranded-sea-lion-pups/

More likely Fukushima is to blame.

On 03/16/2015 11:50 AM, salyavin808 wrote:



Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable 
to life, and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth 
resilience strategist has found.


In a paper published in /Science /in January 2015, Johan Rockström 
argues that we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, 
extinction of species, addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the 
world's ecosystems and deforestation.


We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and 
freshwater use meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission 
of poisonous aerosols and stratospheric ozone depletion.


"The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and 
showing its resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, 
we might shift the planet from friend to foe."




Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, 
scientist claims 






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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse soon...

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You just made our day with this piece of news.
 

 All part of my Global Bad News service ;-)
 

 Seriously though, what is the point of the modern world if what we do is just 
bound to end in tears that might even take us with them? I think it's 
fascinating that politicians only get elected if they promise growth but that 
guarantees destruction because you can't have infinite growth on a finite 
planet. Why are we as a species so short-sighted?
 

 I suspect it's because we evolved to live in small family groups and it's 
still hard - if not impossible - to think globally. And then there's laziness, 
a recent study found that people's concept of progress amounted to them having 
an easier life, and that was it! People don;t want to hear that their new car, 
computer, holiday in Barbados etc is going to have ramifications throughout the 
future of the planet because they can't grasp that everyone has to have a new 
car etc...
 

 There are solutions - plenty of them - but they don't get taken up wholesale. 
The human race seems programmed to leave everything to the last possible minute 
then appoint a committee to decide what to do without annoying the people that 
got rich off the proceeds in the first place.
 

 This is why I propose we get off Earth and start again somewhere else and 
leave the remaining wildlife here as a museum to financial folly. It sounds 
plausible that we can have infinite growth in an infinite universe but even the 
planned manned mission to Mars looks like being abandoned because the backers 
aren't sure they'll be able to make any money out of it after all!
 

 You've got to laugh. Let's wipe ourselves out and let the ants take over.
 

  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.

 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html

 
 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has ...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse soon...

[jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You just made our day with this piece of news.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.

 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html

 
 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has ...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Net Neutrality: the FCC rules are available

[ultrarishi]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 
 The question is do we want the internet administered by the federal government 
or by the free marketplace?
 
The ISP's left us no choice but to inflict the Federal Government upon them.  
The Free Market is a Unicorn, it is mythological, and it's a falsehood that 
these bad capitalist like to trot out.  It's like wrapping one's self in the 
flag.  It's a nice and makes you feel good, but it means nothing.

The ISP do not believe in the Free Market because the lobbied and had 20 states 
prevent Free Market by preventing local municipalities from creating their own. 
 

Govenrment is not the solution to every problem, but it was the one for this 
issue.  It  didn't have to be, but unrestrained greed made it so.

There's no evidence that the internet was broken, so why try to fix it? The 
Internet worked because its technologies, business models and creativity were 
permissionless. Unless Congress or the courts block the new rules, it will be 
the end of the Internet as we know it.

It's not a question of the Internet being broken.  I see it as problem with 
corporations and government regulation being broken and the new rules 
correcting for this. Most folks in the US are subscribers to just a few 
companies.  If the Time Warner / Comcast merger goes thru, they will have most 
of the market.  Almost a monopoly. This is too much power in too few hands.

And consider this.  Comcast is not only in the ISP business, they are in the 
Cable Television, they own a major OTA network, many cable networks, the phone 
business, the alarm business and a movie studio.  This is just wrong.  Like 
Glass-Steagall use to separate banking and risky investment, I think media 
corporations should be separated from own cable and isp's and vice versa.  The 
movie studios in a previous generation had to release their theatres for 
similar practices.  Too much of free speech is concnetrated in too few 
entities. A government that fails to regulate fails its citizens.



  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apocalypse soon...

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/images/461472a-t1.jpg 
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/images/461472a-t1.jpg 
 
 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/images/461472a-t1.jpg 
 
 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/images/4... 
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/images/461472a-t1.jpg 
 
 
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 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.

 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html

 
 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has ...


 
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[FairfieldLife] Apocalypse soon...

[salyavin808]

 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has found.

 In a paper published in Science in January 2015, Johan Rockström argues that 
we've already screwed up with regards to climate change, extinction of species, 
addition of phosphorus and nitrogen to the world's ecosystems and deforestation.
 We are well within the boundaries for ocean acidification and freshwater use 
meanwhile, but cutting it fine with regards to emission of poisonous aerosols 
and stratospheric ozone depletion.
 "The planet has been our best friend by buffering our actions and showing its 
resilience," Rockström said. "But for the first time ever, we might shift the 
planet from friend to foe."


 

 

 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitable life, scientist 
claims 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html

 
 
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 
 
 Earth has exceeded four of the nine limits for hospitabl... 
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/earth-has-exceeded-four-of-the-nine-limits-for-hospitable-life-10111582.html
 Humanity has raced past four of the boundaries keeping it hospitable to life, 
and we're inching close to the remaining five, an Earth resilience strategist 
has ...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Speaking of cults

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I've only watched the first episode of Netflix's "Unbreakable Kimmy 
Schmidt" which is about a woman who is rescued from a doomsday cult and 
winds up in New York City.  Tina Fey is one of the showrunners. The 
first episode was quite funny.

http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/80025384

Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 I'm not so sure you should blame your failed marriage and chronic unemployment 
on the "liars and hucksters" you used to work for. Maybe you should just take 
responsibility for your own choices in life and stop trying to shift the blame 
to others. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 which is another way of saying lets turn a blind eye to the liars frauds and 
hucksters and let them keep ripping people off and ripping lives apart. 

 

 From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenthalm@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:37 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
 
 
   
 Dear Friends,
 

 In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his 
or her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
 

 Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
 

 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jaḿ http://vedabase.net/j/jam karma 
http://vedabase.net/k/karma kaunteya http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya
 sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam http://vedabase.net/d/dosam api 
http://vedabase.net/a/api na http://vedabase.net/n/na tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet
 sarvārambhā hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi doṣeṇa http://vedabase.net/d/dosena
 dhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥ
 Together born with work, Arjun
 Is fault, but one must not reject
 His own work, even fault ridden,
 For fire also causes smoke.
 SYNONYMS
 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jam http://vedabase.net/j/jam — born 
simultaneously; karma http://vedabase.net/k/karma — work; kaunteya 
http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya — O http://vedabase.net/o/o son of Kuntī 
http://vedabase.net/k/kunti; sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam 
http://vedabase.net/d/dosam — with fault; api http://vedabase.net/a/api — 
although; na http://vedabase.net/n/na — never; tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet — one should give up; sarva 
http://vedabase.net/s/sarva-ārambhāḥ http://vedabase.net/a/arambhah — all 
ventures; hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi — certainly; doṣeṇa 
http://vedabase.net/d/dosena — with fault; dhūmena 
http://vedabase.net/d/dhumena — with smoke; agniḥ http://vedabase.net/a/agnih 
— fire; iva http://vedabase.net/i/iva — as http://vedabase.net/a/as; āvṛtāḥ 
http://vedabase.net/a/avrtah — covered.
 

 Vaikuntha of Fairfield http://www.facebook.com/VaikunthaOfFairfield 
 

 

  
  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 So, when are you going to visit a cult exit-counselor? It might be better for 
the forum that you get cured first, then report back to us on your recovery. 

As long as you are still under the trance induction it would be a waste of time 
speculating on what course of action you'll be taking in the future. Until 
you've completed at least a 12-step program, we should consider you to be still 
be under the cult mind-control. The problem now seems to have developed into a 
full-blown ADD situation. 

Where is Dr. Pete when we need him?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency of nature to create unique forms, it 
is basically a prison in which you are told you are free, but only if you 
adhere to certain principles and behaviour and thought."
 

 

 Exxcellent piece of writing and thinking!

 

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
 
 
   Being overly critical is a malady similar to being overly gullible. Being 
straightforwardly critical however is the only way to navigate any situation, 
to attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, the useful from the bullshit. 
You have to examine carefully what others tell you, and you have to examine 
your own take on things; this latter is particularly difficult to do.
 

 I tend to approach things as if the scientific null hypothesis is always in 
effect, which is basically, 'here is something new, let's take the attitude it 
doesn't work, and see if something still happens'. When I learned TM for 
example, it did not go very well for the first few days, but then I had some 
decent meditations. After about six months or so, I felt it was providing me 
with what I had been seeking. Now, many decades later, I feel its influence on 
experience is largely exhausted, but it had a good run. It accomplished for me 
what I wanted, because I did not surrender my criticality about what it was 
really doing. The problem in a cult is really useful information tends to be 
suppressed, even if it is technically there because truthfulness is bent to 
maintain the identity of the cult's particular gimmick.
 

 I worked in the TM cult for some time, keeping a low profile. I was never able 
to adopt the TM jargon as people would have liked me to. I never thought of TM 
as 'blissful', restful at times for sure, but unless you are very lucky 
'spiritual growth' is kind of a grind because if you are into it, you 
eventually have to face up to a lot of darkness, the things you are afraid of 
and want to avoid; you cannot sidestep this indefinitely. There is no 'us and 
them', there are just a lot of people trying to get through the day and be 
happy. Cult behaviour can make you pretend happy. 
 

 There is something to the statement 'the dharma of another brings danger'. If 
you cannot come to an understanding and experience of the world that is solidly 
your own, the result of your own enquiry rather than the adoption of others' 
ideas, your world is basically a fictitious shell. In other words, while you 
may have adopted certain concepts, by assimilation, critical thinking and 
reflexion, they are transformed, so when they come out of you, you will not 
sound like the person or persons they originated with. Even if you do not 
experience yourself as some sort of 'individual soul' you will sound like one. 
All the great teachers of the world, no matter what subject, have a unique take 
on things, they will not be a mirror of their mentors, they will have a unique 
voice, they will not tow a party line. Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency 
of nature to create unique forms, it is basically a prison in which you are 
told you are free, but only if you adhere to certain principles and behaviour 
and thought.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Welcome. While you are welcome to your beliefs, might I point out a potential 
problem with how you express them?
 

 You write: "Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not 
associated with some fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the 
mentality of the asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, 
endeavor, and happiness."
 

 Ignoring the sloppy typing in the second sentence (you should have typed "is 
the mentality of the asuras" instead of "it the mentality of the asuras"), the 
larger problem with these three sentences is that the first contradicts the 
third. If you state that you cannot find "*any* yoga or religious system or 
person" who is not without fault, then exactly where is it you find this 
"divine mentality" you speak of?

 

 If, by your own words, there is NO yoga or religious system or person who is 
free from fault, there where is this "truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness" you claim exists?  I'll wait.  :-)
 

 From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenthalm@... [Fairfield

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Maybe you are still in the cult and still in a trance induction state. There 
must be a reason you haven't visited a cult-exit counselor. Maybe you don't 
even realize that you are still brain-washed. Nothing you've posted here would 
indicate that you've gone beyond the cult-mindset, except  that now you're in 
the anti-cult cult - it's almost like you've been programmed. Go figure. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Naw waddin' nuthin' wrong with them folk - it was jist that there global 
healing mechanism thingy the TM people yap about now. It uz all good.
 

 And I too have posted a number of comments on other cults here, other frauds, 
other so-called gurus like Amma, Muktananda and so forth, but Feste and Willy's 
clone Steve don't mind about that cuz they were never enamored of those 
guru-gees. I am interested in the whole follow the leader, drool over the guru 
mentality of cults. I have more to say about the Movement since I was part of 
it at one time.

 

 From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
   
 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

 

 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

 

 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 

 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 

 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

 

 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 

 


 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
   You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 
reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television 
programs. 

 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the 
answer. That's "obsession?"

 

 It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is 
that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in 
the crafting of its propaganda.  :-)
 

 Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase "global repair 
mechanism" was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM 
literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible.  :-)

 

 From: feste37 

   The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys crack me up. 

 I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your 
favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it.
 

 Keep it up.  It gives you 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Good question. 

 In my experience the early stage of the spiritual "process" is a slash and 
burn affair, and  often not pretty.
 

 It is often marked by an urgency to, (to use an analogy that probably is not 
apt) to escape earth's gravity.
 

 And then after that, maybe you can proceed without so much resistance.
 

 So when Barry points out the odd things that happen with the onset of long 
"rounding" he does it out of the context in which it might make a little more 
sense.
 

 

 As of everyone engaged in the spiritual "process", of course that is true.  
That is life, I would say.
 

 For anyone, (and I include most people in this category, with the exception of 
Barry who evidently discounts this) who believe life has some meaning, that is 
the same as saying, we come into life with goal of wishing to learn more about 
ourselves aka, the spiritual "process"
 

 

 I think everyone understands and appreciates honest dissent honest discussion.
 

 I feel that is lacking in much, if not most of  what we hear from Barry.
 

 Just take his latest message to Feste earlier today, where he fashions himself 
as a benefactor of sort, trying to show Feste the "error of his ways".
 

 On the other hand, he has stated, on many ocassions, that his primary purpose 
here is to "push people's buttons"
 

 Fine, again.  But if you do that, please, do it short of misrepresentations, 
and with the oft heard comment, "anyone who disagrees with my point of view on 
this issue is just proving my point, and demonstrating the behavior I am trying 
to point out"
 

 And finally, (-:  the results speak for themselves.
 

 FFL has come into the same fate that befell Alt.meditation, mostly just a pool 
of negativity (and TV reviews)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone 
is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, 
lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of 
the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the 
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in 
his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 

 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 

 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 

 Everyone else has written you off.
 

 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 

 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 

 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

 

 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

 

 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 

 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 

 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

 

 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, a

Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency of nature to create unique forms, it is 
basically a prison in which you are told you are free, but only if you adhere 
to certain principles and behaviour and thought."

Exxcellent piece of writing and thinking!

  From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:00 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
   
    Being overly critical is a malady similar to being overly gullible. Being 
straightforwardly critical however is the only way to navigate any situation, 
to attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, the useful from the bullshit. 
You have to examine carefully what others tell you, and you have to examine 
your own take on things; this latter is particularly difficult to do.
I tend to approach things as if the scientific null hypothesis is always in 
effect, which is basically, 'here is something new, let's take the attitude it 
doesn't work, and see if something still happens'. When I learned TM for 
example, it did not go very well for the first few days, but then I had some 
decent meditations. After about six months or so, I felt it was providing me 
with what I had been seeking. Now, many decades later, I feel its influence on 
experience is largely exhausted, but it had a good run. It accomplished for me 
what I wanted, because I did not surrender my criticality about what it was 
really doing. The problem in a cult is really useful information tends to be 
suppressed, even if it is technically there because truthfulness is bent to 
maintain the identity of the cult's particular gimmick.
I worked in the TM cult for some time, keeping a low profile. I was never able 
to adopt the TM jargon as people would have liked me to. I never thought of TM 
as 'blissful', restful at times for sure, but unless you are very lucky 
'spiritual growth' is kind of a grind because if you are into it, you 
eventually have to face up to a lot of darkness, the things you are afraid of 
and want to avoid; you cannot sidestep this indefinitely. There is no 'us and 
them', there are just a lot of people trying to get through the day and be 
happy. Cult behaviour can make you pretend happy. 
There is something to the statement 'the dharma of another brings danger'. If 
you cannot come to an understanding and experience of the world that is solidly 
your own, the result of your own enquiry rather than the adoption of others' 
ideas, your world is basically a fictitious shell. In other words, while you 
may have adopted certain concepts, by assimilation, critical thinking and 
reflexion, they are transformed, so when they come out of you, you will not 
sound like the person or persons they originated with. Even if you do not 
experience yourself as some sort of 'individual soul' you will sound like one. 
All the great teachers of the world, no matter what subject, have a unique take 
on things, they will not be a mirror of their mentors, they will have a unique 
voice, they will not tow a party line. Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency 
of nature to create unique forms, it is basically a prison in which you are 
told you are free, but only if you adhere to certain principles and behaviour 
and thought.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Welcome. While you are welcome to your beliefs, might I point out a potential 
problem with how you express them?
You write: "Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not 
associatedwith some fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it 
thementality of the asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth,conviction, 
endeavor, and happiness."
Ignoring the sloppy typing in the second sentence (you should have typed "is 
the mentality of the asuras" instead of "it the mentality of the asuras"), the 
larger problem with these three sentences is that the first contradicts the 
third. If you state that you cannot find "*any* yoga or religious system or 
person" who is not without fault, then exactly where is it you find this 
"divine mentality" you speak of?

If, by your own words, there is NO yoga or religious system or person who is 
free from fault, there where is this "truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness" you claim exists?  I'll wait.  :-)
  From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenthalm@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:37 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
 
 Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his or 
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na t

Re: [FairfieldLife] David Orme-Johnson is a LIAR! (was Re: TM never does harm)

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Willy musta removed the pic cuz the link no longer works but...
  There is no question the movement knew of incidents and numerous others. 

A review of files in La Antilla, the results of rounding courses in Majjorca 
[sic], Spain and Fiuggi, Italy confirmed these same disastrous consequences for 
many individuals. Additionally administrators of MIU are aware of incidents 
like the student who jumped through a plate glass window, the staff member who 
couldn't be found and was later discovered in a dumpster, the student president 
who proclaimed he was Arjuna and was sent home, and they are aware of the 
individuals involuntary [sic] committed to local mental institutions. 

They have witnessed and experienced for themselves the courses in which 
everyone was screaming, shaking and convulsing. They have had their own 
employees administer thorzine [sic] by injection to 'freak outs." They know and 
have known of students, former students and course participants who after 
leaving MIU or other movement facilities later committed suicide. 

The movement has been repeatedly put on notice regarding these instances and 
chose to ignore the hard cold fact that these practices are dangerous. The 
first, introductory step is an offering to Hindu gods. The mantras, offerings, 
and chants are offerings of fruit and flowers and words to krishna and other 
hindu gods.
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  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 5:25 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] David Orme-Johnson is a LIAR! (was Re: TM never does 
harm)
   
    Re this exercise in cult apologetics from David Orme-Johnson, here is the 
challenge I wrote to Feste in an earlier post:
Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
Now, let's take this further, shall we? It is very possible that Feste was NOT 
in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy in 1972, the location of the course in which almost a 
hundred people were visible *every day* sitting in a section reserved for them 
in the main lecture hall. So all he would have to react to is my claim that 
this is what was happening. 

But, as it turns out, it seems that David Orme-Johnson WAS there in Fiuggi 
Fonte, and thus would have had no choice but to see all of these people 
twitching and jerking and spasming and shouting through every large group 
lecture. How then can he *possibly* claim that TM never has any negative 
results? The level of dissociation and/or dishonesty exhibited by him *having 
personally witnessed such mass negative results* and then later claiming that 
none have ever existed is simply amazing.
How do I know that David OJ was in Fiuggi? Well, thanks to Google and a photo 
(now taken down) once posted by our very own Texas Troll, Willytex:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo
willytex  
  Recently discoverd rare photo:
Peggy Snell, Dr. Vincent Snell, Dr. David Orme-Johnson,
and Dr. Keith Wallace with Maharishi in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy, June, 1972.
http://willytex.home.texas. net/archives/maharishi12.jpg  


 From: "sri...@ymail.com" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM never does harm
   
    the science is clear that TM does not cause anyone harm

Does TM Do Any Harm? - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

which is another way of saying lets turn a blind eye to the liars frauds and 
hucksters and let them keep ripping people off and ripping lives apart. 

  From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenth...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:37 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
   
    Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his or 
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na tyajetsarvārambhā hi 
doṣeṇadhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥTogether born with work, ArjunIs fault, but one 
must not rejectHis own work, even fault ridden,For fire also causes 
smoke.SYNONYMSsaha-jam — born simultaneously; karma — work; kaunteya — O son of 
Kuntī; sa-doṣam — with fault; api — although; na — never; tyajet — one should 
give up; sarva-ārambhāḥ — all ventures; hi — certainly; doṣeṇa — with fault; 
dhūmena — with smoke; agniḥ — fire; iva — as; āvṛtāḥ — covered.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Naw waddin' nuthin' wrong with them folk - it was jist that there global 
healing mechanism thingy the TM people yap about now. It uz all good.
And I too have posted a number of comments on other cults here, other frauds, 
other so-called gurus like Amma, Muktananda and so forth, but Feste and Willy's 
clone Steve don't mind about that cuz they were never enamored of those 
guru-gees. I am interested in the whole follow the leader, drool over the guru 
mentality of cults. I have more to say about the Movement since I was part of 
it at one time.

  From: "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
   
    Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
   
    You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 
reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television 
programs. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the 
answer. That's "obsession?"

It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is 
that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in 
the crafting of its propaganda.  :-)
Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase "global repair 
mechanism" was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM 
literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible.  :-)

  From: feste37 

 The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You guys crack me up.
I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your 
favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it.
Keep it up.  It gives you something to fill your days!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the 
exact phrase "global repair mechanism" plus the exact phrase "transcendental 
meditation," it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision 
dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). 
If you go a Google search for *only* "global repair mechanism," you'll 
understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

What do you conceive the spiritual process to be? As far as I can see everyone 
is following it to a lesser or greater degree, unconsciously or consciously, 
lackadaisically or with focus. It seems to me Turq focuses on the pitfalls of 
the process, the things that lead one astray, he does not talk much about the 
positive aspects of the process, but that does not mean they are not there in 
his awareness. Opposition stimulates creativity and intelligence.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 

 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 

 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 

 Everyone else has written you off.
 

 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 

 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 

 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

 

 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

 

 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 

 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 

 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

 

 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
   You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 
reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television 
programs. 

 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the 
answer. That's "obsession?"

 

 It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is 
that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in 
the crafting of its propaganda.  :-)
 

 Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase "global repair 
mechanism" was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM 
literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible.  :-)

 

 From: feste37 

   The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys crack me up. 

 I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your 
favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it.
 

 Keep it up.  It gives you something to fill your days!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the 
exact phrase "global

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Just one other comment, for the record, before Barry gets carried away with the 
exaggerations, misrepresentations, and outright lies which have become his 
calling card over the past so many years. 

 Those early courses were wild events.  We all know that.  
 

 But as in any experiment, the processes become refined over time.
 

 Barry, who fancies himself as the "original" renegade conveniently omits this, 
because it serves his larger purpose of denigrating the TM Organization, which, 
for the record, he has been obsessed with for some forty years, and which 
obsession continues unabated today.
 

 As one who had his share of "twitching", you get through it after a short 
period, and then things resume a  normal process.
 

 But, in the meantime, I'd say Barry has achieved his larger goal on turning 
FFL into his little bastion of negativity, where any discussion quickly 
descends into petty disputes.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 

 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 

 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 

 Everyone else has written you off.
 

 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 

 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 

 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

 

 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

 

 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 

 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 

 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

 

 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
   You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 
reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television 
programs. 

 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the 
answer. That's "obsession?"

 

 It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is 
that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in 
the crafting of its propaganda.  :-)
 

 Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase "global repair 
mechanism" was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM 
literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible.  :-)

 

 From: feste37 

   The level of obsession is

Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Being overly critical is a malady similar to being overly gullible. Being 
straightforwardly critical however is the only way to navigate any situation, 
to attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff, the useful from the bullshit. 
You have to examine carefully what others tell you, and you have to examine 
your own take on things; this latter is particularly difficult to do. 

 I tend to approach things as if the scientific null hypothesis is always in 
effect, which is basically, 'here is something new, let's take the attitude it 
doesn't work, and see if something still happens'. When I learned TM for 
example, it did not go very well for the first few days, but then I had some 
decent meditations. After about six months or so, I felt it was providing me 
with what I had been seeking. Now, many decades later, I feel its influence on 
experience is largely exhausted, but it had a good run. It accomplished for me 
what I wanted, because I did not surrender my criticality about what it was 
really doing. The problem in a cult is really useful information tends to be 
suppressed, even if it is technically there because truthfulness is bent to 
maintain the identity of the cult's particular gimmick.
 

 I worked in the TM cult for some time, keeping a low profile. I was never able 
to adopt the TM jargon as people would have liked me to. I never thought of TM 
as 'blissful', restful at times for sure, but unless you are very lucky 
'spiritual growth' is kind of a grind because if you are into it, you 
eventually have to face up to a lot of darkness, the things you are afraid of 
and want to avoid; you cannot sidestep this indefinitely. There is no 'us and 
them', there are just a lot of people trying to get through the day and be 
happy. Cult behaviour can make you pretend happy. 
 

 There is something to the statement 'the dharma of another brings danger'. If 
you cannot come to an understanding and experience of the world that is solidly 
your own, the result of your own enquiry rather than the adoption of others' 
ideas, your world is basically a fictitious shell. In other words, while you 
may have adopted certain concepts, by assimilation, critical thinking and 
reflexion, they are transformed, so when they come out of you, you will not 
sound like the person or persons they originated with. Even if you do not 
experience yourself as some sort of 'individual soul' you will sound like one. 
All the great teachers of the world, no matter what subject, have a unique take 
on things, they will not be a mirror of their mentors, they will have a unique 
voice, they will not tow a party line. Cult behaviour suppresses the tendency 
of nature to create unique forms, it is basically a prison in which you are 
told you are free, but only if you adhere to certain principles and behaviour 
and thought.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Welcome. While you are welcome to your beliefs, might I point out a potential 
problem with how you express them?
 

 You write: "Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not 
associated with some fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the 
mentality of the asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, 
endeavor, and happiness."
 

 Ignoring the sloppy typing in the second sentence (you should have typed "is 
the mentality of the asuras" instead of "it the mentality of the asuras"), the 
larger problem with these three sentences is that the first contradicts the 
third. If you state that you cannot find "*any* yoga or religious system or 
person" who is not without fault, then exactly where is it you find this 
"divine mentality" you speak of?

 

 If, by your own words, there is NO yoga or religious system or person who is 
free from fault, there where is this "truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness" you claim exists?  I'll wait.  :-)
 

 From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenthalm@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:37 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
 
 
   
 Dear Friends,
 

 In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his 
or her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
 

 Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
 

 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jaḿ http://vedabase.net/j/jam karma 
http://vedabase.net/k/karma kaunteya http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya
 sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam http://vedabase.net/d/dosam api 
http://vedabase.net/a/api na http://vedabase.net/n/na tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet
 sarvārambhā hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi doṣeṇa http://vedabase.net/d/dosena
 dhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥ
 Together born with work, Arjun
 Is fault, but one 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Secular Life and Administrating 'Faith' in Theocratic Religion

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Buck, here's something for you to ponder. In this reply you essentially 
hijacked a post I made that did not mention or reference TM *at all* and turned 
it into an opportunity for YOU to rant about the "theocrats" that you believe 
are "separating people" in Fairfield. 
I mean, I posted the original thread under the ironic and hopefully amusing 
title, "More proof that religion causes insanity." My comments in the post 
introducing the article I linked to had nothing whatsoever to do with TM or 
TMers. It was just an article I thought might be of interest to folks here, 
given the things they've expressed interest in in the past. As you yourself 
might have argued in the past, my post could not *possibly* have been meant as 
a veiled reference to TM because you and others have always claimed that TM is 
not a religion.
So first -- why did you feel the need to use my post as an excuse to bad-rap me 
as a "TM hater," "out of harmony with the group," "actively and methodically 
disharmonious with the group," and say that this mysterious "group" you claim 
to speak for may have a need to "protect itself and its own life" from the 
likes of me? That sounds to me like a bit of an overreaction to a post that had 
nothing whatsoever to do with you, TM, TMers, Maharishi, or Fairfield, much 
less Fairfield Life. Looks to me like you're seeing "TM haters" wherever you 
look, even when they're not there.
Second -- and more fascinating -- why did YOU feel the need to hijack my post 
of a tangentially-related article and use it to climb up on a soapbox of your 
own and rail against the awful TM administration that is doing all these evil 
things you accuse them of? Doesn't that kinda make YOU the "TM hater" in this 
scenario?  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

    “..a naked attempt to force Christian theocracy upon the citizens of 
Oklahoma.”
Of course there is a spectrum in the story. Likewise in a spectrum it is not 
just that some of the methodical TM-haters here are 'out of harmony with the 
group', but they actively and methodically are disharmonious with the group, 
and a group may need to protect itself and its own life against incongruous 
defamations in attack.
But similar to this Oklahoma story with Christian theocracy, between some 
theocratic autocrats of faith in the TM community leadership and the old 
meditating community still here in Fairfield, Iowa.  Now we are continuing to 
have similar kinds of scraps and jockeying going on with the community as these 
conservative theocratic 'Christians of faith' are pulling on everyone in 
Oklahoma.    Evidently our old theocrats of faith as a faction are working 
tying things up and tightening their own grip in administration and inquisition 
separating people out now saying that folks are “out of harmony with the 
group”.Locally it quite evidently is becoming no longer enough to just be 
initiated in meditation and by practice and experience be a meditator to be 
included or facilitated but to be a meditator of 'faith' as some would set it 
and judge it. As is going on in Christian denominations in a larger secular 
society theirs is getting to be small community by their own exlusive standard 
of 'faith'.-Buck, a Transcendental Meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   
A bill that would restrict the right to marry to people of faith..

For the record, marriage is a legal contract between two consenting adults, and 
as a legal contract it is governed by the state. A wedding, on the other hand, 
may or may not be a religious ceremony, depending upon the wishes of the couple.
If conservative Christians could only understand this simple and basic 
distinction, which in many ways mirrors the constitutional distinction between 
church and state, a great deal of time, energy, and taxpayer money could be 
saved, and used towards more productive ends.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :



The best part of this article for me was the subtitle that it was given in the 
forum on which I saw it posted: "Some state governments think they can do 
anything. They're not that tough. They're the mall cops of government."
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[FairfieldLife] Secular Life and Administrating 'Faith' in Theocratic Religion

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

“..a naked attempt to force Christian theocracy upon the citizens of Oklahoma.”
 

 Of course there is a spectrum in the story. Likewise in a spectrum it is not 
just that some of the methodical TM-haters here are 'out of harmony with the 
group', but they actively and methodically are disharmonious with the group, 
and a group may need to protect itself and its own life against incongruous 
defamations in attack.
 

 But similar to this Oklahoma story with Christian theocracy, between some 
theocratic autocrats of faith in the TM community leadership and the old 
meditating community still here in Fairfield, Iowa.  Now we are continuing to 
have similar kinds of scraps and jockeying going on with the community as these 
conservative theocratic 'Christians of faith' are pulling on everyone in 
Oklahoma.Evidently our old theocrats of faith as a faction are working 
tying things up and tightening their own grip in administration and inquisition 
separating people out now saying that folks are “out of harmony with the group”.
 Locally it quite evidently is becoming no longer enough to just be initiated 
in meditation and by practice and experience be a meditator to be included or 
facilitated but to be a meditator of 'faith' as some would set it and judge it. 
 As is going on in Christian denominations in a larger secular society theirs 
is getting to be small community by their own exlusive standard of 'faith'.
 -Buck, a Transcendental Meditator in Fairfield, Iowa   
 

 A bill that would restrict the right to marry to people of faith..

 
For the record, marriage is a legal contract between two consenting adults, and 
as a legal contract it is governed by the state. A wedding, on the other hand, 
may or may not be a religious ceremony, depending upon the wishes of the couple.
 

 If conservative Christians could only understand this simple and basic 
distinction, which in many ways mirrors the constitutional distinction between 
church and state, a great deal of time, energy, and taxpayer money could be 
saved, and used towards more productive ends.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The best part of this article for me was the subtitle that it was given in the 
forum on which I saw it posted: "Some state governments think they can do 
anything. They're not that tough. They're the mall cops of government."
 

 Oklahoma House Passes Bill Restricting Marriage To People Of Faith 
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- Marriage was not instituted by government. It was instituted by God. 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm sorry you don't realize what you sound like here. 

 You really don't understand the spiritual process, and as such, you've ended 
up in some lonely back water.
 

 You have a couple people here who think you are on to something.
 

 Everyone else has written you off.
 

 As Feste suggested, best to stick with TV reviews.
 

 BTW, we know what excessive TV watching does to the brain.
 

 Why not check out some peer review studies along those lines.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

 

 I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

 

 But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
 

 What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
 

 Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

 

 For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 
   You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 
reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television 
programs. 

 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the 
answer. That's "obsession?"

 

 It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is 
that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in 
the crafting of its propaganda.  :-)
 

 Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase "global repair 
mechanism" was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM 
literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible.  :-)

 

 From: feste37 

   The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys crack me up. 

 I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your 
favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it.
 

 Keep it up.  It gives you something to fill your days!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the 
exact phrase "global repair mechanism" plus the exact phrase "transcendental 
meditation," it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision 
dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). 
 

 If you go a Google search for *only* "global repair mechanism," you'll 
understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a 
popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some 
dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new "buzzword du jour" and decided to 
appropriate it for TM p

Re: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Welcome. While you are welcome to your beliefs, might I point out a potential 
problem with how you express them?
You write: "Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not 
associated with some fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the 
mentality of the asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, 
endeavor, and happiness."
Ignoring the sloppy typing in the second sentence (you should have typed "is 
the mentality of the asuras" instead of "it the mentality of the asuras"), the 
larger problem with these three sentences is that the first contradicts the 
third. If you state that you cannot find "*any* yoga or religious system or 
person" who is not without fault, then exactly where is it you find this 
"divine mentality" you speak of?

If, by your own words, there is NO yoga or religious system or person who is 
free from fault, there where is this "truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness" you claim exists?  I'll wait.  :-)
  From: "Martin A Rosenthal rozenth...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 9:37 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.
   
    Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his or 
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na tyajetsarvārambhā hi 
doṣeṇadhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥTogether born with work, ArjunIs fault, but one 
must not rejectHis own work, even fault ridden,For fire also causes 
smoke.SYNONYMSsaha-jam — born simultaneously; karma — work; kaunteya — O son of 
Kuntī; sa-doṣam — with fault; api — although; na — never; tyajet — one should 
give up; sarva-ārambhāḥ — all ventures; hi — certainly; doṣeṇa — with fault; 
dhūmena — with smoke; agniḥ — fire; iva — as; āvṛtāḥ — covered.
Vaikuntha of Fairfield 


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome, Vaikuntha of Fairfield

[salyavin808]

 Buck, I applaud your spiritual open-mindedness but is it any wonder they don't 
let you in the dome?

 

 Q. Is this a new look for the old ISKCON movement? Their website has lots of 
stuff about Prahbupadha so I'm guessing they are re-branding for some reason.
 

 You'll be lucky if it is them because they are into eating as a way to get 
enlightened. I often go to the ISKCON Govinda restaurant in London, top quality 
nosh. Get them to open a branch in FF and do yourselves a favour.
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Welcome to FairfieldLife, Vaikuntha of Fairfield. Another Fairfield, Iowa 
meditator spiritual practice satsanga!
 

 I always appreciate seeing your literature in the corner of Paradiso Cafe
 in Fairfield and around.  
 

 Welcome to the spiritual fray that is FFL at yahoo-groups and in Fairfield, 
Iowa!
 There can be kindness in diversity.  I hope you find kindness here.  
 JaiGuruYou, -Buck
 

 Vaikuntha of Fairfield https://www.facebook.com/VaikunthaOfFairfield 
 
 https://www.facebook.com/VaikunthaOfFairfield
 
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 Programs every morning from 4:30 to 7:00 am and 6:30-9:00 pm daily. Afternoon 
programs on the weekends. Please call (985) 768-7060 and let us know when you 
can come.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Friends,
 

 In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his 
or her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
 

 Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
 

 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jaḿ http://vedabase.net/j/jam karma 
http://vedabase.net/k/karma kaunteya http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya
 sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam http://vedabase.net/d/dosam api 
http://vedabase.net/a/api na http://vedabase.net/n/na tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet
 sarvārambhā hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi doṣeṇa http://vedabase.net/d/dosena
 dhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥ
 Together born with work, Arjun
 Is fault, but one must not reject
 His own work, even fault ridden,
 For fire also causes smoke.
 SYNONYMS
 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jam http://vedabase.net/j/jam — born 
simultaneously; karma http://vedabase.net/k/karma — work; kaunteya 
http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya — O http://vedabase.net/o/o son of Kuntī 
http://vedabase.net/k/kunti; sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam 
http://vedabase.net/d/dosam — with fault; api http://vedabase.net/a/api — 
although; na http://vedabase.net/n/na — never; tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet — one should give up; sarva 
http://vedabase.net/s/sarva-ārambhāḥ http://vedabase.net/a/arambhah — all 
ventures; hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi — certainly; doṣeṇa 
http://vedabase.net/d/dosena — with fault; dhūmena 
http://vedabase.net/d/dhumena — with smoke; agniḥ http://vedabase.net/a/agnih 
— fire; iva http://vedabase.net/i/iva — as http://vedabase.net/a/as; āvṛtāḥ 
http://vedabase.net/a/avrtah — covered.
 

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Welcome, Vaikuntha of Fairfield

[Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Whoa! This is the house across the street from my house! Funny old world (-:

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 6:14 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Welcome, Vaikuntha of Fairfield
   
    Welcome to FairfieldLife, Vaikuntha of Fairfield.Another Fairfield, Iowa 
meditator spiritual practice satsanga!
I always appreciate seeing your literature in the corner of Paradiso Cafein 
Fairfield and around.  
Welcome to the spiritual fray that is FFL at yahoo-groups and in Fairfield, 
Iowa!There can be kindness in diversity.  I hope you find kindness here.  
JaiGuruYou, -Buck
Vaikuntha of Fairfield 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his or 
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na tyajetsarvārambhā hi 
doṣeṇadhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥTogether born with work, ArjunIs fault, but one 
must not rejectHis own work, even fault ridden,For fire also causes 
smoke.SYNONYMSsaha-jam — born simultaneously; karma — work; kaunteya — O son of 
Kuntī; sa-doṣam — with fault; api — although; na — never; tyajet — one should 
give up; sarva-ārambhāḥ — all ventures; hi — certainly; doṣeṇa — with fault; 
dhūmena — with smoke; agniḥ — fire; iva — as; āvṛtāḥ — covered.
Vaikuntha of Fairfield 


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[FairfieldLife] Welcome, Vaikuntha of Fairfield

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Welcome to FairfieldLife, Vaikuntha of Fairfield. Another Fairfield, Iowa 
meditator spiritual practice satsanga!
 

 I always appreciate seeing your literature in the corner of Paradiso Cafe
 in Fairfield and around.  
 

 Welcome to the spiritual fray that is FFL at yahoo-groups and in Fairfield, 
Iowa!
 There can be kindness in diversity.  I hope you find kindness here.  
 JaiGuruYou, -Buck
 

 Vaikuntha of Fairfield https://www.facebook.com/VaikunthaOfFairfield 
 
 https://www.facebook.com/VaikunthaOfFairfield 
 
 Vaikuntha of Fairfield https://www.facebook.com/VaikunthaOfFairfield Krishna 
Bhakti Yoga for One and All. 105 S 3rd St. Fairfield, IA 52556 (985) 768-7060
 
 
 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 Programs every morning from 4:30 to 7:00 am and 6:30-9:00 pm daily. Afternoon 
programs on the weekends. Please call (985) 768-7060 and let us know when you 
can come.

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Dear Friends,
 

 In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his 
or her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
 

 Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
 

 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jaḿ http://vedabase.net/j/jam karma 
http://vedabase.net/k/karma kaunteya http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya
 sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam http://vedabase.net/d/dosam api 
http://vedabase.net/a/api na http://vedabase.net/n/na tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet
 sarvārambhā hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi doṣeṇa http://vedabase.net/d/dosena
 dhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥ
 Together born with work, Arjun
 Is fault, but one must not reject
 His own work, even fault ridden,
 For fire also causes smoke.
 SYNONYMS
 saha http://vedabase.net/s/saha-jam http://vedabase.net/j/jam — born 
simultaneously; karma http://vedabase.net/k/karma — work; kaunteya 
http://vedabase.net/k/kaunteya — O http://vedabase.net/o/o son of Kuntī 
http://vedabase.net/k/kunti; sa http://vedabase.net/s/sa-doṣam 
http://vedabase.net/d/dosam — with fault; api http://vedabase.net/a/api — 
although; na http://vedabase.net/n/na — never; tyajet 
http://vedabase.net/t/tyajet — one should give up; sarva 
http://vedabase.net/s/sarva-ārambhāḥ http://vedabase.net/a/arambhah — all 
ventures; hi http://vedabase.net/h/hi — certainly; doṣeṇa 
http://vedabase.net/d/dosena — with fault; dhūmena 
http://vedabase.net/d/dhumena — with smoke; agniḥ http://vedabase.net/a/agnih 
— fire; iva http://vedabase.net/i/iva — as http://vedabase.net/a/as; āvṛtāḥ 
http://vedabase.net/a/avrtah — covered.
 

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[FairfieldLife] Equal-time cult bashing

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Just to show that it's not just TM that I focus on as being a cult, here's an 
article about a former member of a Tibetan Buddhist organization who went off 
the rails and became a total cult leader. 

It can happen to anyone in any group, IMO. The temptations are always the same 
in any group that has been taught to project "specialness" onto the person in 
charge of the group. It happens in churches, it happens in synagogues, it 
happens in the Vatican...it happens everywhere. 

When Buddhism goes bad: How a yoga and meditation retreat turned cult-like and 
deadly

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[FairfieldLife] More proof that religion causes insanity

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The best part of this article for me was the subtitle that it was given in the 
forum on which I saw it posted: "Some state governments think they can do 
anything. They're not that tough. They're the mall cops of government."
Oklahoma House Passes Bill Restricting Marriage To People Of Faith

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[FairfieldLife] David Orme-Johnson is a LIAR! (was Re: TM never does harm)

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Re this exercise in cult apologetics from David Orme-Johnson, here is the 
challenge I wrote to Feste in an earlier post:
Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
Now, let's take this further, shall we? It is very possible that Feste was NOT 
in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy in 1972, the location of the course in which almost a 
hundred people were visible *every day* sitting in a section reserved for them 
in the main lecture hall. So all he would have to react to is my claim that 
this is what was happening. 

But, as it turns out, it seems that David Orme-Johnson WAS there in Fiuggi 
Fonte, and thus would have had no choice but to see all of these people 
twitching and jerking and spasming and shouting through every large group 
lecture. How then can he *possibly* claim that TM never has any negative 
results? The level of dissociation and/or dishonesty exhibited by him *having 
personally witnessed such mass negative results* and then later claiming that 
none have ever existed is simply amazing.
How do I know that David OJ was in Fiuggi? Well, thanks to Google and a photo 
(now taken down) once posted by our very own Texas Troll, Willytex:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.meditation.transcendental/RtVRjkYhpPo
willytex  
  Recently discoverd rare photo:
Peggy Snell, Dr. Vincent Snell, Dr. David Orme-Johnson,
and Dr. Keith Wallace with Maharishi in Fiuggi Fonte, Italy, June, 1972.
http://willytex.home.texas.net/archives/maharishi12.jpg  
 From: "sri...@ymail.com" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:02 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] TM never does harm
   
    the science is clear that TM does not cause anyone harm

Does TM Do Any Harm? - David W. Orme-Johnson, Ph.D.
 
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Produce Any Harm? The Issue: Is there any scientific research showing that the 
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[FairfieldLife] Faults are everywhere to be found.

[Martin A Rosenthal rozenth...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dear Friends,
In the material world, faults abound.  One must perform the work born of his or 
her own nature, both materially and spiritually, even if one can not perform 
perfectly.
Find me any yoga or religious system or person who is not associated with some 
fault.  To be overly critical is also a fault, and it the mentality of the 
asuras.  The divine mentality is full of truth, conviction, endeavor, and 
happiness.
saha-jaḿ karma kaunteyasa-doṣam api na tyajetsarvārambhā hi 
doṣeṇadhūmenāgnir ivāvṛtāḥTogether born with work, ArjunIs fault, but one 
must not rejectHis own work, even fault ridden,For fire also causes 
smoke.SYNONYMSsaha-jam — born simultaneously; karma — work; kaunteya — O son of 
Kuntī; sa-doṣam — with fault; api — although; na — never; tyajet — one should 
give up; sarva-ārambhāḥ — all ventures; hi — certainly; doṣeṇa — with fault; 
dhūmena — with smoke; agniḥ — fire; iva — as; āvṛtāḥ — covered.
Vaikuntha of Fairfield 


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: salyavin808 

Anyway, celebrity endorsement is gold and is what everyone aims for, for some 
reason things are considered more likely to be effective if some actor or model 
does it. Strange really that the quest for the deepest level of consciousness 
and the highest state of life depends ultimately on such shallow concerns as 
"My skin looks better when I meditate, I could stay a model into my thirties" 
or "My football is better".
I got into TM via a profound book about consciousness and human potential, I 
don't think I would have been so easily seduced if all they had to offer was an 
out-of-date picture of an actress and a simpering quote about happiness being 
easy.

I have always assumed (and still do) that the reason TMers are such suckers for 
"celebrity endorsement" is that they are subconsciously painfully aware of how 
insignificant and unimportant they and their lives are, and always will be. One 
of the only ways they can feel good about themselves is by considering 
themselves part of a small, super-important group that has celebrities in it. 

I call this belief "Importance by association." It really doesn't matter how 
famous the person you're a groupie to is...bottom line is that all you are and 
all you'll remain is a groupie, hoping that some of the famous person's fame 
will "rub off on you." Sadly, that never happens. 

  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Cultist, cure thyself. You and Steve-o seem to feel no compunctions about 
projecting your "They hate Maharishi" fantasies onto Michael and I. T'ain't 
true, at least in my case. How is that NOT "assigning us beliefs, emotions, and 
motivations?" 

I don't consider myself "obsessed" with Maharishi and/or the TM movement. If 
I'm obsessed with anything, it's cults and cultists in general. I find them 
fascinating, no matter what the cult. On FFL, I *admit* to sometimes posting 
things that have the intention of helping long-term TMers realize what cultists 
they have become, by pointing out how strongly they *react* to the things I 
post. I have been hoping YOU would learn from this, but so far you haven't. 

But I didn't even do that in this case. All I did was do a couple of 10-second 
Google searches that show that the TMO's latest buzzphrase in their latest 
propaganda ("global repair mechanism") is ripped off from one of the current 
"buzzword du jour" you can find in a number of scientific, medical, and IT 
articles and papers. And how did you react to that? By trying to demonize ME. 
AGAIN. 
What am I to *think* about this, other than you got your cultist buttons 
pushed? AGAIN. 
Here's a challenge for you, Feste. As a long-time TMer who claims not to be a 
cultist and who in fact seems to be affronted by the very notion that I suggest 
you're one, how do you react to the propaganda piece by David Orme-Johnson that 
srijau just posted, claiming that (per TM dogma) "TM never does any harm." Was 
that YOUR experience, in all of the years you spent in the TM movement? It 
certainly wasn't mine. 

For example, long before the Sidhis appeared, I was on a course in which 
several dozen people were placed in special "twitching groups" and forced to 
sit together at the front of the lecture hall because they were twitching and 
spasming and shouting uncontrollably all the time, 24/7, even when not in 
meditation. It looked and sounded like a convention of people suffering from 
Tourette's Syndrome. I personally know that this condition persisted in many of 
these people for months or years after they went home from this course, and 
that there had never been any sign of such an affliction before they went to 
that TTC course. Are you going to join with Orme-Johnson and tell me that TM 
was not the *cause* of all of this? Just wondering...
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 3:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
   
    You seem to live in a fantasy world, a world all your own, in which other 
people are there simply to play the roles you choose to assign to them. You 
invent for them beliefs, emotions, and motivations that bear no relation to 
reality at all. It's kinda sad. Maybe you should stick to reviewing television 
programs. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Michael asked a question, and I did two 10-second Google searches to find the 
answer. That's "obsession?"

It occurs to me that what the two cultists below are *really* upset about is 
that all it took was 20 seconds to prove how full of shit the TM movement is in 
the crafting of its propaganda.  :-)
Or maybe they were both about to lie and claim that the phrase "global repair 
mechanism" was taught to them on their TTC courses and has been used in TM 
literature for ages, and my 20 seconds of Googling made that impossible.  :-)

  From: feste37 

 The level of obsession is indeed remarkable, Seventh. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You guys crack me up.
I haven't read any of the dozens of pages you've been writing about your 
favorite subject - just noticing that you just endlessly write about it.
Keep it up.  It gives you something to fill your days!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

It's a newly-invented buzzword, Michael. If you do a Google search for the 
exact phrase "global repair mechanism" plus the exact phrase "transcendental 
meditation," it shows up only on several MUM web pages with recent revision 
dates, and on one Dutch site (nl.tm.org). 
If you go a Google search for *only* "global repair mechanism," you'll 
understand why the TMO decided to rip this phrase off. It appears to be a 
popular new buzzword in the world of science and IT. My suspicion is that some 
dweeb in Vlodrop noticed that it was the new "buzzword du jour" and decided to 
appropriate it for TM propaganda, the same way Maharishi appropriated Hans 
Selye's buzzword "stress" many years earlier. 

  From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 2:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.
 
 One of the things I would ask about my own original post on this is:
Has anyone here ever heard of this business - "As published research has 
indicated, theTM technique triggers a global repair mechanism in the physiology 
andpsychology of everyone"
Global repair m

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: What Is "Shahada"?

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I thought Shahada was a bad group recreating 1950s rock 'n roll. 
 

It's also sounds like a planet in Dr Who, which is why I opened the post in the 
first place but my adblocker wouldn't let me see the pictures, so I remained 
baffled until now.
 
 From: "j_alexander_stanley@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: What Is "Shahada"?
 
 
   No, it's bullshit:

Shahada Been There http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamahandsign.asp
 
 
 http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamahandsign.asp
 
 Shahada Been There http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamahandsign.asp 
Rumor: President Obama secretly signaled African leaders using a Muslim hand 
signal known as the Shahada.


 
 View on www.snopes.com http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamahandsign.asp
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 IS THIS SO?
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: DON LOOS 
 To: don Loos 
 Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2015 12:26 pm
 Subject: Fw: Fwd: What Is "Shahada"?
 
   
 

 
Subject: FW: What Is "Shahada"? 


 
 
 
 
 This is an album of pictures of a Muslim hand sign.  It is the Muslim way of 
silently saying the shadaha, "The only god is Allah and Mohammed is his 
prophet."  Index finger extended vertically, symbolizing "one god."  

 Important: Look at the pictures at the very end. 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
 

 



   





 
 

Addendum 

 

 In a “black humor” sort of way, this is an “Inside Joke.”  Probably 99.9% of 
the Americans DON’T know what Obama is indicating in these photos.  Of course, 
now YOU do!  You are among that 0.1% that do. 

 But you can bet that 100% of the Muslims of the world who view these photos of 
Obama absolutely know what he is telling them!  Silently.  Secretly.  But at 
the same time, OPENLY.  The President of the United States is on their side!!! 

   

  








  
 
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Well, well, well.

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Another intelligent post. 
 Re "The TM website . . . looks like a health page from a women's magazine":
 Indeed. A depressing insight into the concerns of current TMers.
 

 In my time at the TMO we had plenty of celebs who didn't want to be publicly 
associated with us because of yogic flying. It's seen as just too weird and 
would be the kiss of death for many a career. Russell Brand might get away with 
it but that's about it. 
 

 Ditto the Maharishi Effect, I remember when the Washington Study was published 
and Geoffrey Clements made a stirring speech that we didn't have to be 
embarrassed any more as it was considered proper peer reviewed science. What he 
didn't mention was the editor's caveat in the Journal of Social Indicators 
Research saying that if the conclusion of this research was correct we might as 
well abandon the scientific method.
 

 I kick myself for this. When the journal was published I questioned why we 
didn't have an actual copy in the press office as I thought it would be good 
for our collection of published articles, but I didn't get a good answer and 
didn't question it. This is the danger of being a believer, you suspend 
critical faculties in favour of being told what to think and towing the party 
line. Same in every job I suppose but this involved a compromise I wouldn't 
have been happy with as I joined up thinking they were serious about using 
science to further their goals of spreading the word. You'd love the story 
about when I found out they were into astrology.
 

 Anyway, celebrity endorsement is gold and is what everyone aims for, for some 
reason things are considered more likely to be effective if some actor or model 
does it. Strange really that the quest for the deepest level of consciousness 
and the highest state of life depends ultimately on such shallow concerns as 
"My skin looks better when I meditate, I could stay a model into my thirties" 
or "My football is better".
 

 I got into TM via a profound book about consciousness and human potential, I 
don't think I would have been so easily seduced if all they had to offer was an 
out-of-date picture of an actress and a simpering quote about happiness being 
easy.
 

 

 

 Re "One of the main attractions [of TM], an immunity to what life throws at 
you":

 That's true for me. On many days, after my meditation session, I've felt that 
take-it-as-it-comes acceptance of what the day brings. It's nothing flashy. 
It's just the absence of those bad-tempered or petty thoughts and feelings that 
can mar one's enjoyment.
 

 I was always very up and down with it, sometimes it works and sometimes it 
doesn't. I used to tell myself it was all part of the process but got fed up 
with it all eventually. Stopping the TMSP was the best thing I ever did. There 
are many ways of achieving ones goals, I think the message of the TMO could be 
improved to be more embracing and realistic.
 

 Re Barry's comment: "I would bet that it would be difficult to find even a 
single long-term TMer reporting "good experiences" who had NOT heard those 
experiences described to him or her beforehand.":
 I'd claim myself as an exception to Barry's rule. Within a week or so of 
learning TM I found my senses heightened and alive to the sights and sounds of 
nature. Out walking I would stop every few minutes in front of a garden in 
bloom simply amazed by the beauty of the flowers on display. Was anyone ever 
told to expect such an experience in advance? I certainly wasn't. In fact, the 
first time it happened I was seriously wondering if someone had spiked my lunch 
with a psychedelic (I'd fallen in with a bad crowd. I like that expression! 
Whenever I use it I always wonder if right now someone I knew back in the day 
is talking to a friend and - thinking of me - is shaking his head saying: I'd 
fallen in with a bad crowd).

 

 I was told that experiences like that were to be expected but not how so it 
was all very innocent at first. And very liberating. But my experience of the 
higher states one after the other looks suspicious with hindsight but they were 
real experiences or at least, changes in information processing in existing 
experiences - see how a slight change of focus alters the interpretation?
 

 I often get accused of being a TM hater but it isn't the case, I really like 
it. Not as much as I used to but that was mixed up with a belief in what it was 
going to do rather than a sober assessment of what it was doing. Taking the 
hyperbole seriously can slow you down, or is it the thing that keeps you going?
 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 salyavin, I was about to post a message making pretty much the same points :  

 MMY touted TM as a universal panacea ; That the TMO should release such a 
document now is an encouraging sign of progress ;

 As the TMO moves at a snail's pace we'll probably all 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: What Is "Shahada"?

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I thought Shahada was a bad group recreating 1950s rock 'n roll. 

  From: "j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 11:21 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: What Is "Shahada"?
   
    No, it's bullshit:

Shahada Been There 
||
||||   Shahada Been There  Rumor: President Obama secretly 
signaled African leaders using a Muslim hand signal known as the Shahada.|  
  |
|  View on www.snopes.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

IS THIS SO?


-Original Message-
From: DON LOOS 
To: don Loos 
Sent: Sun, Mar 15, 2015 12:26 pm
Subject: Fw: Fwd: What Is "Shahada"?

 



Subject:FW: What Is "Shahada"?








This is an album of pictures of a Muslim hand sign.  It is the Muslim way of 
silently saying the shadaha, "The only god is Allah and Mohammed is his 
prophet."  Index finger extended vertically, symbolizing "one god."  Important: 
Look at the pictures at the very end. 

























  


Addendum In a “black humor” sort of way, this is an “Inside Joke.”  Probably 
99.9% of the Americans DON’T know what Obama is indicating in these photos.  Of 
course, now YOU do!  You are among that 0.1% that do. But you can bet that 100% 
of the Muslims of the world who view these photos of Obama absolutely know what 
he is telling them!  Silently.  Secretly.  But at the same time, OPENLY.  The 
President of the United States is on their side!!!    
  
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