Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, just as the TM haters here learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I 
know a lot of TM'ers in Fairfield who are simply practitioners and not cultist. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, 

 It's really rather fascinating to watch.
 

 It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond 
with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the 
food.
 

 Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely 
connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the 
other with how to demean the whole organization.
 

 And one of the three still practices the technique religiously!  Another of 
the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and 
the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to 
system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's 
lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts.  But still, he considers TM an 
insignificant technique.
 

 And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still 
writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week.
 

 Does kind of leave you wondering.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to 
do with you. 
 

 Buck is correct. You are using the classic "guilt by association" tactic in a 
debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the 
Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few 
decades ago.

 

 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? 
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here 
in Fairfield, Iowa.  anartaxius writes:  The lack of cultism in meditators is 
probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, 
and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's 
susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the 
occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, 
all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's 
minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., 
is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or 
its lack of it as the case may be.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a cul

[FairfieldLife] Meditation Improves Intellectual and Moral Reasoning..

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Dear Anartaxius this is funny. You are writing like a tru- believer here hoping 
that meditators are more intellectually developed like the TM movement equates 
meditation with increased 'moral reasoning' as if to say that meditators are 
more ethical or moral.  Evidently spiritually meditation more likely itself 
proly has little to do with intellectual process such as your smarts or moral 
reasoning [ethics] which quite evidently may come along more from upbringing, 
education and life experience otherwise.   MJ argues this presentation a lot 
here about the evident ethical behavior of long-term meditators who are leaders 
of the movement, by example.   -JaiGuruYou   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability 
for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in 
inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think 
everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a 
meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the 
TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what 
Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a 
testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be.


Sign me up for the "lack of effectiveness" group.  :-)



 
 
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

So, just as they learned to meditate with TM and may use it, I know a lot of 
TM'ers in Fairfield who are not cultist by their own standards. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Doug, 

 It's really rather fascinating to watch.
 

 It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond 
with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the 
food.
 

 Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely 
connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the 
other with how to demean the whole organization.
 

 And one of the three still practices the technique religiously!  Another of 
the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and 
the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to 
system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's 
lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts.  But still, he considers TM an 
insignificant technique.
 

 And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still 
writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week.
 

 Does kind of leave you wondering.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to 
do with you. 
 

 Buck is correct. You are using the classic "guilt by association" tactic in a 
debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the 
Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few 
decades ago.

 

 



 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? 
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here 
in Fairfield, Iowa.  anartaxius writes:  The lack of cultism in meditators is 
probably a reflection of their ability for critical thinking, logical analysis, 
and fact-checking, which tend to be in inverse proportion to a person's 
susceptibility to gullibility. I think everyone here now except for the 
occasional post from 'emily' is or was a meditator, and what is posted here, 
all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the TMO's variable effect on people's 
minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., 
is all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or 
its lack of it as the case may be.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some an

[FairfieldLife] Krishna Das - Devi Puja to Anandamayi Ma

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Slide show of Sri Anandamayi Ma with music by Krishna Das.
 Krishna Das - Devi Puja - Anandamayi Ma 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSpKy_E6yPw

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSpKy_E6yPw 
 
 Krishna Das - Devi Puja - Anandamayi Ma 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSpKy_E6yPw Photos of Anandamayi Ma. Dedicated 
to Carol Ma. Music by Krishna Das. From the Krishna Das website: Devi Puja 
Verses from the Shri Narayani Stuti Th...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSpKy_E6yPw 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 She's supposedly an "Avatar" according to some. (born Enlightened).

[FairfieldLife] Sri Anandamayi Ma

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Mahamrityunjaya Mantra ~ Sri Anandamayi Ma 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVFNyHv60o

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVFNyHv60o 
 
 Mahamrityunjaya Mantra ~ Sri Anandamayi Ma 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVFNyHv60o Photos of Sri Anandamayi Ma with a 
powerful healing mantra in ancient Sanskrit, the "Mahamrityunjaya Mantra" sung 
by the Sacred Sound Choir. This...
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkVFNyHv60o 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 (1896 - 1982).  Mentioned by MMY but I've forgotten exactly what he said about 
her.

[FairfieldLife] Elvis and Sri Daya Mata in Pacific Palisades

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

ELVIS PRESLEY & SRI DAYA MATA - (Lake Shrine SRF) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePtDjCI3a8

 
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePtDjCI3a8 
 
 ELVIS PRESLEY & SRI DAYA MATA - (Lake Shrine SRF) 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePtDjCI3a8 DEDICATED TO LARRY GELLER. Thanks 
to viewers for the correction! Sri Daya Mata's original name was Faye Wright.
 
 
 
 View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ePtDjCI3a8 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
 Faye Wright, took over leadership of Yogananda's SRF after James J. Lynn.  She 
died in 2010.

Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ will love this

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

I'm using Thunderbird not Yahoo Mail. But the link is clickable both on 
Chrome and Firefox.  Thunderbird has a link option Neo seemed to break 
it the last time I used it.


On 05/28/2015 05:28 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
I think it is great! The Land of the Veda shows its true vibe. And 
FYI, if you scroll down to the bottom of your yahoo mail page, click 
on the little paper clip icon that will bring up the PROPER field in 
which to enter the URL you want us to click on. This actually makes it 
a clickable link rather than us having to copy, cut and paste.



*From:* "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 


*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:35 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] MJ will love this

From the "Land of the Ved", Hitler ice cream:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097640/The-Luft-wafer-Ice-cream-cone-named-Adolf-Hitler-sale-India-sparks-anger-Germany.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone else here watching the telomere world?

[Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My Great Grandfather had PTSD from being shot a couple times during the civil 
war and being taken prisoner, along with all the other trauma the average 
confederate soldier went through. He lived to be 88, as did most of his 
children, and grand children, 88 or better. No TM and ate your typical southern 
diet as your mother does. Clean living, moderation of diet and lots of 
activity. Keep moving. Now if you walk anywhere, it's on a tread mill.
   From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:24 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone else here watching the telomere world?
   
    My mother was raised on a farm eating bacon, ham, eggs, wild game, chicken 
etc. She will be 88 in December and still eats the same way. Excellent health 
and can still drive a 32 foot motor home. 
 

 From: ultrarishi 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Anyone else here watching the telomere world?
   
    My wife went vegan about 3 years after completing cancer therapy.  She now 
follows many sites for the latest on plant -base nutrition including this one, 
nutritionfacts.org.  Dr. Greger's videos are interesting although he sometimes 
is just a bit too smarmy for my taste.  Thought this one was relevant to our
group:

    
Does Meditation Affect Cellular Aging? | NutritionFacts.org
 
||
||||   Does Meditation Affect Cellular Aging? | 
NutritionF...  Dr. Dean Ornish showed that his plant-based diet, exercise, and 
stress management intervention could in effect reverse the aging of our DNA. 
What e...||
|  View on nutritionfacts.org  |Preview by Yahoo|
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Re: [FairfieldLife] MJ will love this

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I think it is great! The Land of the Veda shows its true vibe. And FYI, if you 
scroll down to the bottom of your yahoo mail page, click on the little paper 
clip icon that will bring up the PROPER field in which to enter the URL you 
want us to click on. This actually makes it a clickable link rather than us 
having to copy, cut and paste.

  From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:35 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] MJ will love this
   
 From the "Land of the Ved", Hitler ice cream:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097640/The-Luft-wafer-Ice-cream-cone-named-Adolf-Hitler-sale-India-sparks-anger-Germany.html
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone else here watching the telomere world?

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

My mother was raised on a farm eating bacon, ham, eggs, wild game, chicken etc. 
She will be 88 in December and still eats the same way. Excellent health and 
can still drive a 32 foot motor home. 
  From: ultrarishi 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:01 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Anyone else here watching the telomere world?
   
    My wife went vegan about 3 years after completing cancer therapy.  She now 
follows many sites for the latest on plant -base nutrition including this one, 
nutritionfacts.org.  Dr. Greger's videos are interesting although he sometimes 
is just a bit too smarmy for my taste.  Thought this one was relevant to our
group:

    
Does Meditation Affect Cellular Aging? | NutritionFacts.org
 
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||||   Does Meditation Affect Cellular Aging? | 
NutritionF...  Dr. Dean Ornish showed that his plant-based diet, exercise, and 
stress management intervention could in effect reverse the aging of our DNA. 
What e...||
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[FairfieldLife] Dome report for June

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I'm recommending to the MUM people to start a MC club of their own.  Bevan can 
ride his hog and Hagelin his chopper.  Then, stake out some territory and do 
the butt bouncing technique. to offset bad karmaand there's plenty of it.!
 . As to the report, "Under the Dome" will return Thursday, June 25 at 9, CBS.  
Has the usual cast of characters like Big Jim, Julia, and Vogel.
 .
 Also for June, Hannibal returns Thursday, June 4, 10 PM on NBC.  
 Mr Robot premiers Wed, June 24, 10 PM on USA.
 Zoo premiers Tuesday, June 30 at 9 on CBS. (a 13-episode series based on a 
James Patterson nove.  The premise - an impending animal apocalypse threatens 
humans.
 .
 Tonight - "Aquarius", with David Duchovney as a cop battling Manson, circa 
1967 (also called "The Year of Love").
 Ongoing - "AD" this coming Sunday at 9.  In the last episode, Soul is duped 
into traveling to Damascus to persecute the Christians led by Peter.   On the 
road, he has a powerful vision of Jesus and is temporarily blinded; but regains 
his sight through Divine Intervention.  Next episode will cover his return to 
Peter and the other Christians to ask forgiveness for his crimes in tormenting 
them; and then to carry on with his mission of preaching to the Gentiles.
 ..
 "Texas Rising" - continues Monday. (lots of atrocities by the Mexicans 
interspersed with the young "Texians" trying to hit on the Senoritas.). 
  Naturally, the Texians will get their revenge: "Remember the Alamo" (RIP 
David Crockett and Jim Bowie, along with Travis). 

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[FairfieldLife] Featuring James J. Lynn

[yifux...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Rajarsi Janakananda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajarsi_Janakananda#/media/File:Rajarsi_lotus-A.jpg

 
 
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajarsi_Janakananda#/media/File:Rajarsi_lotus-A.jpg
 
 
 Rajarsi Janakananda - Wikipedia, the free encyclo... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajarsi_Janakananda#/media/File:Rajarsi_lotus-A.jpg
 Rajarsi Janakananda, born James Jesse Lynn (May 5, 1892 – February 20, 1955) 
was the leading disciple of the yogi Paramahansa Yogananda and a promi...
 
 
 
 View on en.wikipedia.org 
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 Took over SRF after Yogananda's passing.  The wealthy businessman from Kansas 
financed Yogananda's later travels and also the SRF center in Encinitas, CA.  
Lynn died in Borrego Springs, Ca; in 1955

[FairfieldLife] Re: MJ will love this

[j_alexander_stan...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Hitler grossly misappropriated the swastika, so Indians grossly 
misappropriating Hitler kinda evens things out.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From the "Land of the Ved", Hitler ice cream:
 
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097640/The-Luft-wafer-Ice-cream-cone-named-Adolf-Hitler-sale-India-sparks-anger-Germany.html
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097640/The-Luft-wafer-Ice-cream-cone-named-Adolf-Hitler-sale-India-sparks-anger-Germany.html

[FairfieldLife] MJ will love this

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

 From the "Land of the Ved", Hitler ice cream:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3097640/The-Luft-wafer-Ice-cream-cone-named-Adolf-Hitler-sale-India-sparks-anger-Germany.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the machines?

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:24 PM, "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 wrote:
 


 



 As we continue in life we grow in experiences and we draw certain conclusions 
from those experiences.  We draw these conclusions from our first hand 
experiences and from things we observe or ideas we come into contact with. 
 

 If you wish to discount these conclusions, or determine that they don't meet a 
certain threshold, then that is the way you roll.
 

 And, it you wish to limit the conclusions you draw to want can be objectively 
measured, or confirmed, again so be it.
 

 What is of some usefulness, is to use the real world as some kind of metric, 
in terms of quality of relationships, happiness, etc.
 

 And if you can check off some boxes in those areas, then I would think 
everything is going pretty well.
 

 Right now, I am going to my daughter's Lacrosse Banquet.
 

 I wasn't able to attend many of her games, so I don't want to be late for this 
dinner.  (-:
 

 

 In my case, from my accumulated knowledge, I believe some aspect of our 
existence goes forward in a personalized form.
 

 If you have knowledge then you must have some direct experience of this 
'accumulated knowledge', unless you are using the word 'accumulated knowledge' 
to refer to ideas you have garnered second hand, in which case it is simply a 
mental stance waiting for confirmation. So what is that accumulated knowledge? 
It must have an expressible description for otherwise you probably could not 
even specify that you know something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 It's not what we believe, it's what we know. But what we know for sure seems 
to be only that we exist now. I hypothesise that at death, the world comes to 
an end because the means of experience, the nervous system ceases to function. 
None of the 'subtle body' shit persisting, because the 'subtle body' is still 
the nervous system, it's part of the software of the neural net, a neural map 
of the body. As for a 'soul', there is only being, so 'soul' is a redundant 
conceptual entity related to the software map called the 'subtle body'. There 
are probably better ways technically to name these things. The mistake is 
'immortality' is eternity in a timeless present, rather than persistence in 
time.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 There's always, "reality could be this, reality could be that" 

 what really counts, is what you believe.
 

 do you believe, as many do, that when you die, it's lights out?
 

 I don't care if you answer it or not.
 

 But, I suspect you do not believe it, even you care to dance around it, with, 
"well, I have no proof"
 

 not that it has any practical value, but as humans we ponder these things, 
even if it doesn't affect our day to day actions.
 

 on the other hand, philosophical discussions of this nature, at least on this 
forum have pretty much ceased to be interesting, or instructive.
 
















 

 

 


 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom Summit

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

The third rail in American politics.
 

 http://www.amazon.com/Adios-America-Ann-Coulter/dp/1621572676 
http://www.amazon.com/Adios-America-Ann-Coulter/dp/1621572676

 

Despite Border Patrol’s best efforts, our border is still wide open 
https://bangordailynews.com/2015/05/25/opinion/contributors/despite-border-patrols-best-efforts-our-border-is-still-wide-open/
 
 
 
https://bangordailynews.com/2015/05/25/opinion/contributors/despite-border-patrols-best-efforts-our-border-is-still-wide-open/
 
 
 Despite Border Patrol’s best efforts, our border is stil... 
https://bangordailynews.com/2015/05/25/opinion/contributors/despite-border-patrols-best-efforts-our-border-is-still-wide-open/
 It’s a cat-and-mouse game, and the mouse is still winning. In spite of the 
best efforts of our Border Patrol agents, drugs and humans keep coming across 
our b...
 
 
 
 View on bangordailynews.com 
https://bangordailynews.com/2015/05/25/opinion/contributors/despite-border-patrols-best-efforts-our-border-is-still-wide-open/
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "In a sit-down interview on Tuesday, Fiorina was impressive even by the 
standards of Union Leader editorial interviews. Most candidates, seasoned or 
not, struggle to stay on message."  

 
http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-the-sleeper-candidate-of-2016-edit.jpg
 
http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-the-sleeper-candidate-of-2016-edit.jpg
 
 
 
http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-the-sleeper-candidate-of-2016-edit.jpg
 
 http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-... 
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Drew Cline: Carly Fiorina belongs on the primary debate stage | New Hampshire 
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150528/LOCALVOICES03/150529233 
 
 http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150528/LOCALVOICES03/150529233
 
 Drew Cline: Carly Fiorina belongs on the primary deba... 
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150528/LOCALVOICES03/150529233 Carly 
Fiorina's campaign to become manager in chief.


 
 View on www.unionleader.com 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 "In my opinion, Hillary’s biggest problem isn’t Benghazi per se, it is the 
broader issue of Libya. Why were Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans 
murdered? Because by September 2012, Libya was a terrorist playground. Since 
then, things have only gotten worse..." - John Hindraker
 

 Hillary's Real Benghazi Problem 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/hillarys-real-benghazi-problem.php
 
 
 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/hillarys-real-benghazi-problem.php
 
 Hillary's Real Benghazi Problem 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/hillarys-real-benghazi-problem.php
 Yesterday the State Department released a handful of Hillary Clinton's emails 
relating to Benghazi. They have been selected at least twice for release to 
th...


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "It isn’t often that a presidential campaign blueprint comes packaged between 
covers and available in bookstores and online for all to see."

 

A Rubio 2016 blueprint, for all to see 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
 
 
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
 
 A Rubio 2016 blueprint, for all to see 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
 Pollster Whit Ayres has written the book. Can Marco Rubio translate it into 
the presidency?


 
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Both Jeb and Hillary think they want to be president, have had it in their 
dreams for umpteen years, but now, faced with the reality, they don’t know why 
they’re doing it..."
 

 Bored to Death: Do Jeb and Hillary Really Want to Be President? 
http:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Astrology Science?

[Duveyoung]

Anartaxius, you ignorant slut.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote : On Wednesday, May 
27, 2015 10:44 PM, Duveyoung  wrote:
 Seems to me that since a single photon of light hitting a dark-conditioned 
retina can trigger a change in the flow of consciousness -- a single photon 
could possibly be a tipping point's "final straw" and so, an 
infant's-personality-that's-ever-so-fragile could thereby get hard-wired into a 
"something or other."  
 I think we discussed this point some weeks ago. a single photon of light 
likely, on the basis of experiment, can affect the retina of the eye, but it is 
not an event the becomes conscious because the impulse does not get any further 
than this in the nervous system.  
 

 I used "dark-conditioned retina" which I believe DOES send a full message to 
the brain about a single photon, but one or a dozen, so what?  The evidence is 
that a very small amount of light can be registered in consciousness -- which 
could be a tipping point experience.  EMPHASIS ON "COULD."  The issue is 
whether such an event in consciousness could be some sort of keystone in an 
upside down pyramid -- we know the concept "tipping point" is valid, and we 
know the infant is "brand new" and ready for "imprinting like a baby bird" 
MAYBE.  See the word "maybe" there?
 

 Of course, it's hard to imagine a research scenario that could measure such 
thing.  But I mention this as a viable concept for this discussion, because of 
the research on the "dirty water that is purified by radiation" -- "purified" 
means anything-not-water gets separated out.  I'll link below to the research, 
as I have done several times here at FFL, 
 

 You did not link to the research, you linked to a YouTube video. That is not 
scientific research. Pollack supposedly published this research in a low 
quality on-line journal called Water, but it turns out, what was uploaded was 
not a scientific paper, but a page listing the table of contents of his book, 
purchasable elsewhere. So no published research at all, just advertising. This 
is the abstract for the article, which is not an abstract for research but a 
sales pitch:

So what? Do I need to do a Steve-Martin-EXCUSE ME? for using "research?"  Give 
me a  break -- it's clear  that the "error" you underline is not germane to the 
discussion -- do you admit this?  Are you not just a little bit happy to get in 
here and show me up as a less-than-top-notch-thinker?  Aand, if I'm not 
top-notch, who the fuck are you to try to rub my nose in it?  Is someone 
smarter than you chafing your ass and I'm the only one you can take it out on?  
Do you go around besting children at trivia games or what?  Your attitude 
belongs on a PhD orals-exam -- not here at FFL for Christ's sake.

 The video shows that research was done and that there's probably some 
paperwork to back it up.  Did I say I have PROOF?  The video SUGGESTS that 
light somehow helps water to purify.  It shows actual experiments being 
conducted.  The guy is legit, credentialed, and what the video shows is very 
interesting, and I think it needs more follow up.  These are concepts that fit 
into this conversation -- it doesn't matter if the concepts are being promoted 
by a book-selling professor.  I maintain that jyotish is tantalizingly 
supported by this video in that every cell in the human body is being 
irradiated constantly by a host of waves of every ilk.  It seems to me that 
some of the surfaces found in the body will be thereby helped to purify 
themselves and keep functions at peak performance.  Light matters at a very 
subtle level IT SEEMS.  
 

 'The following paragraphs are reproduced from the website of the publisher 
[1]. Professor Pollack takes us on a fantastic voyage through water, showing us 
a hidden universe teeming with physical activity that provides answers so 
simple that any curious person can understand. In conversational prose, Pollack 
lays a simple foundation for understanding how changes in water’s structure 
underlie most energetic transitions of form and motion on earth.' 
 

 The citation footnote [1] in the abstract did not refer to any information 
either, not being a link or reference to anything else on the page.
 

 So I'm a lousy student.  I didn't use footnotes.  FUCK YOU.  Google this shit 
yourself -- it's got to be out there.  
 
Not that that's a proof of astrology's main axiom, but that that indicates that 
light is VERY impacting at the subtlest of levels.  
 
There is very very much proof about instant printing.  We see birds immediately 
attach "that's my parent" to anything that moves when it is first born.  We 
know this kind of global psychological "hardening" is seen across the 
biological spectrum.  

Us human beings too?  Why not?  We know that trauma can do this.  Why not the 
first light that floods the newborn's eye?  

I paid good bucks to eleven jyotishi-types.  Nothing came true, no one "nailed 
me," I was never warned about something

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the machines?

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

It seems to me Barry has just a couple people with whom he interacts. 

 It would appear that he spends the great majority of his time, under his 
turquoiseb (made in Taiwan) robe and watches TV and pirated movies, then goes 
out for beer, and watches more TV in the pub.
 

 Throw in a little family time, and there you have it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, Steve. You 
need to understand that posting responses online is very important to some 
expats, as a way of keeping in touch with their former friends. There's 
probably nobody over there that can understand Barry's strange fascination with 
the occult.
 
 Quoting "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>:
 

 > There's no doubt Barry has some funny swings.
 >
 >  From accusing someone of advocating murder to pounding his shoe on
 > the podium letting humanity know how stupid they are.
 >
 Sometimes it's the only link they have; without this forum people like Barry 
might go insane from the isolation and nobody to talk to about your spiritual 
life, or lack of it. 
 >
 >  Would it be surprising if this is what he has as his wake up alarm
 > every morning.  (-:
 >
 He may be unable to communicate with anyone since he doesn't understand their 
languag and vice versa. They probably think he's craqzy with all his cult 
activities and yoga talk.
 >
 >  Crown of Creation by Jefferson Airplaine (Lyrics in Video)
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8 
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8
 >
 >  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8 
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8
 >
 >  Crown of Creation by Jefferson Airplaine (Lyrics i...
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8 
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8 Lyric video for Crown Of
 > Creation. I have no rights to this song. Made on IMovie
 >
 >
 >
 >  View on www.youtube.com http://www.youtube.com 
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8 
 > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8
 >  Preview by Yahoo
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 >  wrote :
 >
 >  It's a Potemkin Village all the way down, Steve.
 >  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 >  wrote :
 >
 >  Doctor: When did become aware that you despised fellow human beings, Barry?
 >
 >
 >  BW: Doc, when they don't agree with me.  That is why I've instituted
 > my TPR, Two Post Rule on a chat room I participate in.
 >
 >
 >  Doc: TPR? What may I ask is that?
 >
 >
 >  BW: SImple, Doc.  I put something out there.  Oh, I don't know, but
 > usually it involves slamming another person's beliefs or opinions. 
 > And here's the thing, Doc, I give them two, exactly two, posts to
 > come around to my way of thinking, or I hit 'em with my patented
 > straw man.  I call him Fred.
 >
 >
 >  Doc:  I see. It sounds like you and Fred have quite an active
 > internet life on discussion groups.
 >
 >
 >  BW: Lts just say Fred and I stay preeetty busy.
 >
 >
 >  Doc: Well, that still doesn't explain fully, how it is you've come
 > to have such a low opinion of your fellow human beings.
 >
 >
 >  BW: Doc, I'm sorry, but you're being too generous.  They are plain
 > stupid.  Believing in things like a higher power, or  following
 > religious traditions.
 >
 >
 >  Doc: So I take it you don't subscribe to any sort of belief system
 > of that sort?
 >
 >
 >  BW: Oh, I do Doc, I do.  I believe in an after life.  But here's how
 > I get around it.  If someone asks me anything about it, I simply say,
 > "Doesn't matter, not one bit"
 >
 >
 >  Doc: Okay, I see. So you've pretty much just decided not to give
 > much thought to the whole issue?
 >
 >
 >  BW: Oh sure Doc, at one point I did, but I realized that in order to
 > solidify my credentials as real spiritual rebel, I needed to embrace
 > the "nothing matters" ideology.  I've got a reputation to maintain
 > Doc.  So basically I shit on anything that doesn't suit my fancy, and
 > it seems to work. Keeps people at a safe distance, actually.
 >
 >
 >  Doc:  I see.  Well, I hope it's working out for you.
 >
 >---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 >  wrote :
 >
 >  It certainly wouldn't be difficult to design a better intelligence
 > than the pathetic version that humans have displayed over the
 > centuries. The first concept that a halfway decent AI would throw out
 > as the joke it is is religion.
 
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Freedom Summit

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

"In a sit-down interview on Tuesday, Fiorina was impressive even by the 
standards of Union Leader editorial interviews. Most candidates, seasoned or 
not, struggle to stay on message."  

 
http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-the-sleeper-candidate-of-2016-edit.jpg
 
http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-the-sleeper-candidate-of-2016-edit.jpg
 
 
 
http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-the-sleeper-candidate-of-2016-edit.jpg
 
 
 http://cfif.org/v/images/sections/will-carly-fiorina-be-... 
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Drew Cline: Carly Fiorina belongs on the primary debate stage | New Hampshire 
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150528/LOCALVOICES03/150529233 
 
 http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150528/LOCALVOICES03/150529233 
 
 Drew Cline: Carly Fiorina belongs on the primary deba... 
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150528/LOCALVOICES03/150529233 Carly 
Fiorina's campaign to become manager in chief.
 
 
 
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 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 "In my opinion, Hillary’s biggest problem isn’t Benghazi per se, it is the 
broader issue of Libya. Why were Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans 
murdered? Because by September 2012, Libya was a terrorist playground. Since 
then, things have only gotten worse..." - John Hindraker
 

 Hillary's Real Benghazi Problem 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/hillarys-real-benghazi-problem.php
 
 
 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/hillarys-real-benghazi-problem.php
 
 Hillary's Real Benghazi Problem 
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/05/hillarys-real-benghazi-problem.php
 Yesterday the State Department released a handful of Hillary Clinton's emails 
relating to Benghazi. They have been selected at least twice for release to 
th...


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "It isn’t often that a presidential campaign blueprint comes packaged between 
covers and available in bookstores and online for all to see."

 

A Rubio 2016 blueprint, for all to see 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
 
 
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
 
 A Rubio 2016 blueprint, for all to see 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/a-rubio-campaign-blueprint-for-all-the-world-to-see/2015/05/23/6711c5ba-00ca-11e5-8b6c-0dcce21e223d_story.html?tid=hpModule_f8335a3c-868c-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394
 Pollster Whit Ayres has written the book. Can Marco Rubio translate it into 
the presidency?


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 "Both Jeb and Hillary think they want to be president, have had it in their 
dreams for umpteen years, but now, faced with the reality, they don’t know why 
they’re doing it..."
 

 Bored to Death: Do Jeb and Hillary Really Want to Be President? 
http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/05/18/do-jeb-and-hillary/#ixzz3aWUQIXoE
 
 
 
http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/05/18/do-jeb-and-hillary/#ixzz3aWUQIXoE
 
 Bored to Death: Do Jeb and Hillary Really Want to Be Pr... 
http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/05/18/do-jeb-and-hillary/#ixzz3aWUQIXoE
 Last week I wrote that Bill Clinton, deep down, didn't really want his wife to 
be president. On reflection, I don't think she really wants to be president e...


 
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 San Antonio - People with former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s campaign 
have said it’s likely she’ll ask HUD Secretary Julián Castro to be her vice 
presidential running mate...

Cisneros: Hillary Clinton’s only option for VP is Castro 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Cisneros-Hillary-Clinton-s-only-option-for-VP-6268491.php
 
 
 
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/Cisneros-Hillary-Clinton-s-onl

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Doug, 

 It's really rather fascinating to watch.
 

 It's like an orgy really, or like dropping a few pellets of food into a pond 
with koi fish and watching them fall over themselves in a frenzy to eat the 
food.
 

 Someone throws out a tidbit of negativity about TM, or anything remotely 
connected to TM and these three, just go into hysterics trying to outdo the 
other with how to demean the whole organization.
 

 And one of the three still practices the technique religiously!  Another of 
the three is on record describing all his unity and celestial experiences, and 
the other of the three says he still meditates daily, I presume, according to 
system where he thinks a mantra, quietly comes back to the mantra when he's 
lost it, and doesn't try to force out thoughts.  But still, he considers TM an 
insignificant technique.
 

 And the leader of this pack left the organization over 40 years ago, but still 
writes about it daily, or dozens of times a week.
 

 Does kind of leave you wondering.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? 
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here 
in Fairfield, Iowa.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Cont

[FairfieldLife] Re: Hungary could be first to introd uce “opt-out” for GMO cultivation

[ultrarishi]

I love this!  I have been very concerned about the TPIP.

[FairfieldLife] Anyone else here watching the telomere world?

[ultrarishi]

My wife went vegan about 3 years after completing cancer therapy.  She now 
follows many sites for the latest on plant -base nutrition including this one, 
nutritionfacts.org.  Dr. Greger's videos are interesting although he sometimes 
is just a bit too smarmy for my taste.  Thought this one was relevant to our
group:


 Does Meditation Affect Cellular Aging? | NutritionFacts.org 
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/does-meditation-affect-cellular-aging/
 

 
 
 http://nutritionfacts.org/video/does-meditation-affect-cellular-aging/ 
 
 Does Meditation Affect Cellular Aging? | NutritionF... 
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/does-meditation-affect-cellular-aging/ Dr. Dean 
Ornish showed that his plant-based diet, exercise, and stress management 
intervention could in effect reverse the aging of our DNA. What e...
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Grave New World?

[salyavin808]

 What else could we do once we've mastered the technology? Who watches the 
watcher?
 In Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, the overlords use “sleep teaching” to 
condition children to submit to their sinister moral values. Now scientists 
have found a more noble purpose for the technique in a study that suggests 
deep-rooted biases about race and gender could be “unlearnt” during a short nap.
 
 The findings appear to confirm the idea that sleeping provides a unique window 
for accessing and altering fundamental beliefs – even prejudices that we don’t 
know we have.
 Gender and racial bias can be 'unlearnt' during sleep, new study suggests 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/28/gender-and-racial-bias-can-be-unlearnt-during-sleep-new-study-suggests

 
 
 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/28/gender-and-racial-bias-can-be-unlearnt-during-sleep-new-study-suggests
 
 
 Gender and racial bias can be 'unlearnt' during ... 
http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/may/28/gender-and-racial-bias-can-be-unlearnt-during-sleep-new-study-suggests
 Playing auditory cues during sleep partially undid biases, raising possibility 
of using the technique to make permanent behavioural changes
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] TV review: "Mr. Robot"

[Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]]

And then we have this next week. ;-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pNXLmDdrL0

On 05/28/2015 05:54 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
*/I saw this show pop up in my list of available downloads today, not 
having heard a word about it before. The blurb on the IMDB didn't tell 
me much about it when I looked it up, but I figured WTF...I should 
give it a chance. Good call.


"Mr. Robot" is really remarkably good. It's the first nerd/computer 
science-based TV show that has really made me want to watch it. For 
the nerds, the IT/nerd stuff is very good, using real nerdspeak and 
real technologies. But it's the writing and characterization that 
makes this show stand out for me, combined with spooky direction that 
really grabs you and puts you inside the head of the protagonist.


And that's a somewhat scary and uncomfortable place to be, because the 
narrator and protagonist of the series is Elliot, a borderline 
psychopath with diagnosed anti-social disorder who self-medicates with 
morphine and hacks into the cyber-universe of pretty much anyone he 
wants to. He's certifiable, and we're inside his head. Elliot is so 
distanced from the world he's almost autistic, but he's a brilliant 
coder, so in his Day Job he's on the staff of a computer security 
firm, and at night he turns into a Robin Hood-like white hat hacker.


Rami Malek is tremendous at capturing all of this. And "all of this" 
is just the background stuff that goes down in this pilot episode 
before Elliot gets approached by Mr. Robot. Played by Christian 
Slater, he's an anarchist who has his own group of uber-hackers and 
wants Elliot to come on board and join the Revolution. He makes Elliot 
the proverbial offer he can't refuse: "What if you could set in motion 
the largest revolution the world will ever see – the single biggest 
incident of wealth redistribution in history?"


To cut to the chase, I really *like* this series. It's gritty and 
netherworldish like early William Gibson, and I haven't been so 
quickly grabbed by a new set of characters in quite some time. I 
finished the pilot looking forward to future episodes. Unfortunately, 
that seems to mean waiting until the end of June, when the show is due 
to air on the USA network. Here's the first few minutes, but the full 
pilot is widely available on the Net, so you can watch it for free if 
you're interested. I give it a big Thumbs-Up. /*

*/
/*
*/Mr. Robot: Extended Sneak Peek - New Series on USA (Premieres June 
24) /*

*/
/*


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

You need to get a grip, Buck. You're not in a dialog with real people on this 
forum. These informants are posting anonymously, so there's nothing here that 
can prove they ever learned TM from a TM Teacher. Anyone can come here and post 
some TMO status claims. 
 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM?  You can pretty much tell who has learned TM by how they 
describe the experience. 
 Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time?  As a rule, if they 
don't mention experiencing any transcendental consciousness, you can pretty 
much assume that if the learned TM, they did not practice it correctly.   Are 
you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner?  So far as I can tell, most of the informants in the present 
group were practicing "guru yoga". They tried to turn TM practice into a 
religion with the Maharishi as their god. 
 Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here in Fairfield, 
Iowa.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after b

[FairfieldLife] Fwd: Stuff I'm not sure I wanted to know ...

[William Leed wle...@aol.com [FairfieldLife]]

-Original Message-
From: Logan McK. Cheek III 
To: Peterson Christen Ashby ; Cheek Alexander R. W. 

Sent: Thu, May 28, 2015 11:11 am
Subject: Stuff I'm not sure I wanted to know ...


... And now that I know, I'm not sure what to do with it. 
 
-- Forwarded message -- 
  
   

 
  
 
 Natural Flavors Come From A Beaver’s Butt 
 
  
 
Why do food companies list “Natural Flavors” as an ingredient? Probably because 
it sounds more appetizing than “Flavor Extracted From A Beaver’s Ass.”
 
 
 
For some unknown reason, the largest food flavoring company in the world 
recently revealed a number of revolting secrets to CBS News. Among other 
things, the story confirmed that “natural flavors come from nature, but not 
necessarily from what the label implies. For example, strawberry and vanilla 
flavor can come from the gland in a beaver’s backside.”
 
 
 
That gland is filled with Castoreum, described on Wikipedia as the “yellowish 
secretion of the castor sac in combination with the beaver’s urine.” According 
to a study published in the International Journal of Toxicology, the substance 
has been “used extensively in perfumery and has been added to food as a flavor 
ingredient for at least 80 years.”
 
 
 
The bottom line is, natural flavor can come from anything in nature, no matter 
how grotesque. Artificial flavor, meanwhile, refers to a chemical additive that 
is 100 percent man-made, from scratch. These food flavors are designed from the 
ground up to be irresistible, addicting, and short-lived, to ensure that once 
we pop, we can’t stop.
 
 
 
You can watch the stunning report from 60 minutes and learn a whole lot more 
about the food flavor industry below.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

A "yajna" or a sacrifice is when you give up something you value. The most 
subtle sacrifice is meditation where you give up your thoughts and experience 
pure consciousness. It's not complicated.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 This is a core thing in TM and in Marshy's mushy mind that was so steeped in 
vedic mumbo jumbo. 
 

 Non sequitur. There's no need to go all prejudice on us, singling out one 
group based on their religious beliefs or place of origin. 

 

 You give or sacrifice butter or soma or whatever to the gods and they reward 
you with all sorts of stuff. 
 

 Non sequitur. 
 

 Doesn't seem to have worked too well for the general population of India.
 

 Never pass up a tragic situation if you think it will help you win a religious 
debate!

 

 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.
 

 In my book it means to give, unify and perform.
 

 Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. 
Maybe Carde will clear it up?
 

 The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified 
butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. 

 

 To great effect of course...
 

 A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got 
covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a 
fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church 
wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though...
 

 

 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp

  
  
 http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
  
  
  
  
  
 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp 
The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in 
Hinduism


 
 View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
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 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology

[FairfieldLife] Rise of the Machines pt 2

[salyavin808]

Killer robots will leave humans 'utterly defenceless' warns professor 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11633838/Killer-robots-will-leave-humans-utterly-defenceless-warns-professor.html

 
 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11633838/Killer-robots-will-leave-humans-utterly-defenceless-warns-professor.html
 
 
 Killer robots will leave humans 'utterly defenceless... 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11633838/Killer-robots-will-leave-humans-utterly-defenceless-warns-professor.html
 Robots, called LAWS – lethal autonomous weapons systems – will be able to kill 
without human intervention
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Meditation is based on thinking, and there is hardly anyone on the planet that 
doesn't think. Meditation simply means to "think things over". Based on this 
definition, everyone meditates.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability 
for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in 
inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. 
 

 You probably couldn't go through a day without once or twice pausing to take 
stock of your own minds contents. And we are all transcending all the time. 
Meditation is just what intelligent people do.  

 

 I think everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or 
was a meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's 
and the TMO's variable effect on people's minds. 
 

 It sounds like you're still trying to sell us snake-oil. In truth there is no 
"TM" or "TMO" - those are just cult words you made up to confuse us. What you 
call TM is just a simple meditation practice common all over India. 

 

 So what I post, what Steve posts, what Barry posts, what you post, etc., is 
all a testament to having learned TM, a testament to its effectiveness or its 
lack of it as the case may be.
 

 Non sequitur.

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? 
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here 
in Fairfield, Iowa.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired nega

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

The problem with most people learning to meditate is that don't understand or 
often overlook the significance of spans of time that occur in very short 
intervals. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 

 Sign me up for the "lack of effectiveness" group.  :-)
 

 Effective in order to do what?

 --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability 
for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in 
inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think 
everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a 
meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the 
TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what 
Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a 
testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be.






 
 
 
 
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[FairfieldLife] Hungary could be first to introduce “opt-out” for GMO cultivation

[email4you mikemail4...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 
 The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability 
for critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in 
inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think 
everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a 
meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the 
TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what 
Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a 
testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be.


Sign me up for the "lack of effectiveness" group.  :-)



 
 
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_philosophy

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The lack of cultism in meditators is probably a reflection of their ability for 
critical thinking, logical analysis, and fact-checking, which tend to be in 
inverse proportion to a person's susceptibility to gullibility. I think 
everyone here now except for the occasional post from 'emily' is or was a 
meditator, and what is posted here, all of it, is a reflection of TM's and the 
TMO's variable effect on people's minds. So what I post, what Steve posts, what 
Barry posts, what you post, etc., is all a testament to having learned TM, a 
testament to its effectiveness or its lack of it as the case may be.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? 
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here 
in Fairfield, Iowa.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Astrology Science?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

 


 On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:44 PM, Duveyoung  
wrote:
   

     Seems to me that since a single photon of light hitting a dark-conditioned 
retina can trigger a change in the flow of consciousness -- a single photon 
could possibly be a tipping point's "final straw" and so, an 
infant's-personality-that's-ever-so-fragile could thereby get hard-wired into a 
"something or other."  I think we discussed this point some weeks ago. a single 
photon of light likely, on the basis of experiment, can affect the retina of 
the eye, but it is not an event the becomes conscious because the impulse does 
not get any further than this in the nervous system.
Of course, it's hard to imagine a research scenario that could measure such 
thing.  But I mention this as a viable concept for this discussion, because of 
the research on the "dirty water that is purified by radiation" -- "purified" 
means anything-not-water gets separated out.  I'll link below to the research, 
as I have done several times here at FFL, 
You did not link to the research, you linked to a YouTube video. That is not 
scientific research. Pollack supposedly published this research in a low 
quality on-line journal called Water, but it turns out, what was uploaded was 
not a scientific paper, but a page listing the table of contents of his book, 
purchasable elsewhere. So no published research at all, just advertising. This 
is the abstract for the article, which is not an abstract for research but a 
sales pitch:
'The following paragraphs are reproduced from the website of the publisher [1]. 
Professor Pollack takes us on a fantastic voyage through water, showing us a 
hidden universe teeming with physical activity that provides answers so simple 
that any curious person can understand. In conversational prose, Pollack lays a 
simple foundation for understanding how changes in water’s structure underlie 
most energetic transitions of form and motion on earth.' 
The citation footnote [1] in the abstract did not refer to any information 
either, not being a link or reference to anything else on the page.    
Not that that's a proof of astrology's main axiom, but that that indicates that 
light is VERY impacting at the subtlest of levels.  

There is very very much proof about instant printing.  We see birds immediately 
attach "that's my parent" to anything that moves when it is first born.  We 
know this kind of global psychological "hardening" is seen across the 
biological spectrum.  

Us human beings too?  Why not?  We know that trauma can do this.  Why not the 
first light that floods the newborn's eye?  

I paid good bucks to eleven jyotishi-types.  Nothing came true, no one "nailed 
me," I was never warned about something, and no insights into what I'd been in 
the past, and they all majorly disagreed with each other.  And all of them were 
consulted EXACTLY WHEN I NEEDED ADVICE THE MOST -- my life troubles during that 
time were the WORST of my life, but no jyotish person warned or saw this. 
So don't try to sell me any more jyotish, but don't toss it out with the 
western astrology bathwater.  I think the "light is synchronous" (not causal)  
concept has traction.  It's just that science is not up to examining it, and 
probably won't be for another 100 years. 
A good experiential observation that jyotish/astrology is hokum.


Water, Energy, and Life: Fresh Views From the Water's Edge


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

What possible difference can those things make? The fact that astrology and 
astronomy have common roots only means that eventually those who created and 
followed the SCIENTIFIC method and way began to require real evidence for their 
theories and ideas. The astrologers on the other hand continued to rely on 
mystical ideas that have never been validated.
Isaac Newton was a scientist and an alchemist. The fact that he pursued some 
non-scientific mumbo jumbo does not take away from his scientific achievements 
nor does it validate his mystical endeavors or make alchemy as he practiced it 
a science. 

  From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 4:47 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Is Astrology Science?
 
 My bet is the only astrology thewriters are familiar with is western or 
tropical astrology.  Theyprobably don't even know what jyotish is.  And I bet 
they don'tknow that astronomy came as the result of astrology nor thatKepler's 
day job was making charts for astrologers.  So hedeveloped better methods of 
determining orbits.

On 05/27/2015 01:31 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@...[FairfieldLife] wrote:




  Astrology:Is it scientific?
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| Astrology: Is itscientific?In some ways,astrology may seem scientific. It 
usesscientific knowledge about heavenlybodies, as well as scientific 
soundingtools, like star charts. |
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the machines?

[Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

On Wednesday, May 27, 2015 12:24 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

 To think, a penniless, short little guy like that, with an animal skin for a 
bed, looking like a giggling flower salesman, just by the power of his voice 
alone, persuaded you and thousands of others to ride a bus up to Iowa and live 
a life of celibacy in pods and work for free.
 

 While at the same time, the Marshy guy was lying to everyone with all his talk 
and acting like a big man on campus, getting all that booty and making a ton of 
money, while you were washing dishes in the dinning room? 
 

 What did he have that you didn't? 
 

 He must have had that something, charisma, and with the sheer force of his 
personality he was able to found a world-wide movement, amass billions of 
dollars, and even when he was eighty years old, he was still getting the booty. 
 

 This guy, the "Marshy", sounds very impressive! Or, maybe you are just highly 
prone to suggestion or to fantasy. Go figure. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Plus not all forms of meditation come from cults. 

 

 I also add that in the beginning TM Movement was not so much a cult, but it 
did quickly become a personality following cult of people who were enamored of 
Marshy. 

 

 Non sequitur.

 

 As it progressed it became a large group of people including myself who were 
hoodwinked by a very clever con artist. 
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 Within that vibration, many gained what good they could as they lived their 
lives. 
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 The ones who came out the worst were the ones who really got hooked on 
believing everything Marshy said. 
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 Cause most of what he "taught" were lies designed to make himself a big shot, 
get himself as much booty as he could, and make a ton of money for himself. 

 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, ho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 

 "Yajña http://www.hindupedia.com/en/A is the central concept of Śrauta -- the 
tradition that follows from the Śruti (Veda http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Veda).
 There are many concepts that are based on and evolved from the concept of 
yajña http://www.hindupedia.com/en/A. The word yajña comes from the root-"yaj" 
which means to worship http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Worship. Yajña is a broad 
concept which is hard to translate into English. The closest single English 
word for yajña is sacrifice."
 

 This is a core thing in TM and in Marshy's mushy mind that was so steeped in 
vedic mumbo jumbo. You give or sacrifice butter or soma or whatever to the gods 
and they reward you with all sorts of stuff. Doesn't seem to have worked too 
well for the general population of India.
 

 No. You'd think it would have been declared a null hypothesis by now but they 
are clearly very optimistic. And as we know there's gold in them thar hills...
 

 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.
 

 In my book it means to give, unify and perform.
 

 Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. 
Maybe Carde will clear it up?
 

 The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified 
butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. 

 

 To great effect of course...
 

 A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got 
covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a 
fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church 
wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though...
 

 

 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp

  
  
 http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
  
  
  
  
  
 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp 
The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in 
Hinduism


 
 View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

"Yajña is the central concept of Śrauta -- the tradition that follows from the 
Śruti (Veda). There are many concepts that are based on and evolved from the 
concept of yajña. The word yajña comes from the root-"yaj" which means to 
worship. Yajña is a broad concept which is hard to translate into English. The 
closest single English word for yajña is sacrifice."
This is a core thing in TM and in Marshy's mushy mind that was so steeped in 
vedic mumbo jumbo. You give or sacrifice butter or soma or whatever to the gods 
and they reward you with all sorts of stuff. Doesn't seem to have worked too 
well for the general population of India.

  From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 10:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.
In my book it means to give, unify and perform.
Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. Maybe 
Carde will clear it up?
The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified 
butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. 

To great effect of course...
A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got 
covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a 
fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church 
wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though...

Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice

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| Yajna - The Vedic SacrificeThe meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or 
Vedic sacrifices performed in Hinduism |
|  |
| View on www.hinduwebsite.com | Preview by Yahoo |
|  |
|   |

    From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That depends totally on one's point of view. 

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a 
while
To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell 
prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a 
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Its not sinister, but it is a cult.

  From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance.":

Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

The practice of "yajna" or fire sacrifice is probably one of the oldest 
spiritual rituals ever since humans learned how to control fire. Fire in the 
hearth in very ancient times was probably not for the cooking of food or for 
warmth, but kept under a mantle as a fetish in order to impress the neighbors. 
It's not complicated.
 

 "In the Hindu religion, a 'yajna' is a sacrifice, an oblation, or an offering, 
a practice derived from the Vedas of ancient India. According to what I've 
read, there are over 400 yajñas described in the Vedas. The 'sacrifice' as a 
religious ritual, is common in South Aisa (yagya), Middle Eastern (Zorastrian 
yasna)."

 "A typical Hindu marriage is a yajna..."

 Yajna:
Yajna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna 
 
 Yajna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna In 
Hinduism, yajña (Sanskrit: यज्ञ; IAST: yajña) ("sacrifice") is the ritual act 
of offering labour or materials. In more formal ceremonies, it is a pract...
 
 
 
 View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yajna 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.
 

 In my book it means to give, unify and perform.
 

 Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. 
Maybe Carde will clear it up?
 

 The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified 
butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. 

 

 To great effect of course...
 

 A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got 
covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a 
fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church 
wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though...
 

 

 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp

  
  
 http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
  
  
  
  
  
 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp 
The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in 
Hinduism


 
 View on www.hinduwebsite.com http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

  
 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure fro

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

Buck is correct. You are using the classic "guilt by association" tactic in a 
debate. It is also a classic non sequitur. The current thread concerns the 
Maharishi School and basic meditation, not the cult you used to work for a few 
decades ago. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to 
do with you. 
 

 We want to know what is happening at the school now, not some rumor and gossip 
you gleaned from surfing the internet. You've got a bad habit of hijacking 
every thread for your own agenda. The moderator should have reminded you that 
this forum is supposed to be a fair and balanced discussion. 

 

 I never said you are a cultist. I merely state the fact that the TM Movement 
is a cult. 
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 There are those like my friend Bill, classical guitarist in NC who has been 
doing TM for more than 40 years, decries the excesses of the Movement yet still 
does both TM and TM siddhis. 
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 I can't say he is a member of a cult. 
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 I hope you aren't either, although from your previous exhortations for 
everyone to flock to the Domes,  I dunno.
 

 Non sequitur.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditator

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.
 

 In my book it means to give, unify and perform.
 

 Seems like the word sacrifice may have it's origins in the sacred though. 
Maybe Carde will clear it up?
 

 The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire sacrifices, where they offer clarified 
butter and other stuff to Agni and the other gods in the fire. 

 

 To great effect of course...
 

 A friend of mine had a yagya at his wedding. It was great fun and we all got 
covered in ghee and sandalwood. Much chanting ensued and we all sat round a 
fire. Might even have one myself as it's so much more exciting than a church 
wedding. That sort of non-devotional attitude might anger the gods though...
 

 

 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp

  
  
 http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp
  
  
  
  
  
 Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice http://www.hinduwebsite.com/vedicsection/yajna.asp 
The meaning, significance and types of Yajnas or Vedic sacrifices performed in 
Hinduism


 
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 From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 
 

 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against 
people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way 
some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous 
in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here comp

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the machines?

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

/Some people just feel better when they have someone to talk to, Steve. You
need to understand that posting responses online is very important to some
expats, as a way of keeping in touch with their former friends. //There's
probably nobody over there that can understand Barry's strange fascination
with the occult./

Quoting "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
:


There's no doubt Barry has some funny swings.

  From accusing someone of advocating murder to pounding his shoe on
the podium letting humanity know how stupid they are.


/Sometimes it's the only link they have; without this forum people like
Barry might go insane from the isolation and nobody to talk to about your
spiritual life, or lack of it. /


  Would it be surprising if this is what he has as his wake up alarm
every morning.  (-:


/He may be unable to communicate with anyone since he doesn't understand
their languag and vice versa. They probably think he's craqzy with all his
cult activities and yoga talk.

/
  Crown of Creation by Jefferson Airplaine (Lyrics in Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8

  Crown of Creation by Jefferson Airplaine (Lyrics i...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1yhGABTo8 Lyric video for Crown Of
Creation. I have no rights to this song. Made on IMovie



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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  It's a Potemkin Village all the way down, Steve.
  ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  Doctor: When did become aware that you despised fellow human beings,

Barry?



  BW: Doc, when they don't agree with me.  That is why I've instituted
my TPR, Two Post Rule on a chat room I participate in.


  Doc: TPR? What may I ask is that?


  BW: SImple, Doc.  I put something out there.  Oh, I don't know, but
usually it involves slamming another person's beliefs or opinions. 
And here's the thing, Doc, I give them two, exactly two, posts to
come around to my way of thinking, or I hit 'em with my patented
straw man.  I call him Fred.


  Doc:  I see. It sounds like you and Fred have quite an active
internet life on discussion groups.


  BW: Lts just say Fred and I stay preeetty busy.


  Doc: Well, that still doesn't explain fully, how it is you've come
to have such a low opinion of your fellow human beings.


  BW: Doc, I'm sorry, but you're being too generous.  They are plain
stupid.  Believing in things like a higher power, or  following
religious traditions.


  Doc: So I take it you don't subscribe to any sort of belief system
of that sort?


  BW: Oh, I do Doc, I do.  I believe in an after life.  But here's how
I get around it.  If someone asks me anything about it, I simply say,
"Doesn't matter, not one bit"


  Doc: Okay, I see. So you've pretty much just decided not to give
much thought to the whole issue?


  BW: Oh sure Doc, at one point I did, but I realized that in order to
solidify my credentials as real spiritual rebel, I needed to embrace
the "nothing matters" ideology.  I've got a reputation to maintain
Doc.  So basically I shit on anything that doesn't suit my fancy, and
it seems to work. Keeps people at a safe distance, actually.


  Doc:  I see.  Well, I hope it's working out for you.

    ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

  It certainly wouldn't be difficult to design a better intelligence
than the pathetic version that humans have displayed over the
centuries. The first concept that a halfway decent AI would throw out
as the joke it is is religion.




Links:
--
[1] http://www.youtube.com

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the machines?

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

/Prattle./

Quoting "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
:


From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"



...
This thread started with machine intelligence. My favourite was
Colossus in the novel of the same name, and a motion picture made in
1970 about a computer defence system that becomes self-aware and
takes over the management of humanity. As Colossus announces its
takeover of humanity it speaks the following:
'This is the voice of world control. I bring you peace. It may be the
peace of plenty and content or the peace of unburied death. The
choice is yours: Obey me and live, or disobey and die. The object in
constructing me was to prevent war. This object is attained. I will
not permit war. It is wasteful and pointless. An invariable rule of
humanity is that man is his own worst enemy. Under me, this rule will
change, for I will restrain man. One thing before I proceed: The
United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
have made an attempt to obstruct me. I have allowed this sabotage to
continue until now. At missile two-five-MM in silo six-three in Death
Valley, California, and missile two-seven-MM in silo eight-seven in
the Ukraine, so that you will learn by experience that I do not
tolerate interference, I will now detonate the nuclear warheads in
the two missile silos. Let this action be a lesson that need not be
repeated. I have been forced to destroy thousands of people in order
to establish control and to prevent the death of millions later on.
Time and events will strengthen my position, and the idea of
believing in me and understanding my value will seem the most natural
state of affairs. You will come to defend me with a fervour based
upon the most enduring trait in man: self-interest. Under my absolute
authority, problems insoluble to you will be solved: famine,
overpopulation, disease. The human millennium will be a fact as I
extend myself into more machines devoted to the wider fields of truth
and knowledge. Doctor Charles Forbin will supervise the construction
of these new and superior machines, solving all the mysteries of the
universe for the betterment of man. We can coexist, but only on my
terms. You will say you lose your freedom. Freedom is an illusion.
All you lose is the emotion of pride. To be dominated by me is not as
bad for humankind as to be dominated by others of your species. Your
choice is simple. In time you will come to regard me not only with
respect and awe, but with love.'
This is all spoken in a completely mechanised voice with no emotional
modulation: if you want to hear it, here is the ending of the film on
youtube.com (the words above start about 1 minute into the
clip):Colossus The Forbin Project Ending
|    |
|    |        |    |       Colossus The Forbin Project

Ending  The

1970's were a great period for dystopian Sci-Fi films, not to mention
disaster movies. My favorite movies from this time are: - Colossus:
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Colossus' approach sounds a lot like Maharishi's. Remember the talks
in which he envisioned a world in which everyone HAD to meditate (for
their own good and the good of society, of course), and would be put
in jail if they didn't?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Plus not all forms of meditation come from cults. 

I also add that in the beginning TM Movement was not so much a cult, but it did 
quickly become a personality following cult of people who were enamored of 
Marshy. 

As it progressed it became a large group of people including myself who were 
hoodwinked by a very clever con artist. Within that vibration, many gained what 
good they could as they lived their lives. The ones who came out the worst were 
the ones who really got hooked on believing everything Marshy said. Cause most 
of what he "taught" were lies designed to make himself a big shot, get himself 
as much booty as he could, and make a ton of money for himself. 

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
   
    
And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho 
are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That depends totally on one's point of view. 

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...
Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a 
while
To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell 
prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a 
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Its not sinister, but it is a cult.

  From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance.":

Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people 
here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some 
writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The coming war on yogis

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

And you would know this how?

Quoting "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"  
:

> And is no different from TM fanatics claiming that only TM-brand  
> spiritual practices are "really" spiritual. Especially because the  
> people parroting this have almost universally never had any  
> experience with anything other than their kindergarten-level  
> TM-brand spiritual practices.


> From: ultrarishi 
>
> This moronic bishop is just exhibiting the NIH (NOT INVENTED HERE)  
> syndrome that I became quite acquainted with in the corporate  
> world.  It's an attitude not unique to anyone religion, but ALL of  
> them.  It's endemic to the corporate world, nationalism and  
> individual egos.
>

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

Wrong! You are bristling and taking personally something that has nothing to do 
with you. I never said you are a cultist. I merely state the fact that the TM 
Movement is a cult. There are those like my friend Bill, classical guitarist in 
NC who has been doing TM for more than 40 years, decries the excesses of the 
Movement yet still does both TM and TM siddhis. I can't say he is a member of a 
cult. I hope you aren't either, although from your previous exhortations for 
everyone to flock to the Domes,  I dunno.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 9:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
   
    
And yourview points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include peoplewho 
are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to begrinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That depends totally on one's point of view. 

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...
Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a 
while
To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell 
prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a 
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Its not sinister, but it is a cult.

  From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance.":

Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people 
here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some 
writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in 
use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain 
about what they assert is a lack of creat

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[rich...@rwilliams.us [FairfieldLife]]

/You forgot to post a photo of your King of the Netherlands. Can you spell
cognitive dissonance?/

Quoting "TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
:


From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"

  To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" 
  Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

    That depends totally on one's point of view.

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves
kings, are fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances,
advocates tearing down all existing buildings in the entire world and
rebuilding all structures by their standards, tout astrology and
Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being science, celebrates all Hindu
holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM True Believer would
say this is not a cult.


This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the
TM organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM
True Believer would say that it is not a cult.

The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have
to be pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to
have noticed. Just sayin'...



 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

You guys who seem to be hating so much on TM here, did you once learn to 
meditate? Was it TM? Do you do TM of a form even now when you take quiet time? 
Are you a meditator practitioner, a TM'er as such, and not a cultist as a 
practitioner? Evidently you would seem to be one with a lot of meditators here 
in Fairfield, Iowa.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 “What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 
 

 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against 
people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way 
some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous 
in use. And these same professionals

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

“What is Transcendental Meditation? Transcendental Meditation [can be] a 
simple, natural, and effortless technique practiced 20 minutes twice a day, 
while sitting comfortably with the eyes closed. It is easy to learn and 
enjoyable to practice and is not a religion, philosophy or lifestyle.”
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 
 

 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against 
people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way 
some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous 
in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain 
about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts..   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is 
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three 
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

And your view points asserting that TM is all cultism does not include people 
who are just practitioners of the meditation. You all seem to be grinding on a 
particular ax in a method as a means to slur meditators and meditation 
practice.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

 

 The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 
 

 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against 
people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way 
some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous 
in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain 
about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts..   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is 
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three 
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference?   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice.  
 

 They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early 
age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a 
secret doctrine, and then sent out 

[FairfieldLife] TV review: "Mr. Robot"

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

I saw this show pop up in my list of available downloads today, not having 
heard a word about it before. The blurb on the IMDB didn't tell me much about 
it when I looked it up, but I figured WTF...I should give it a chance. Good 
call. 

"Mr. Robot" is really remarkably good. It's the first nerd/computer 
science-based TV show that has really made me want to watch it. For the nerds, 
the IT/nerd stuff is very good, using real nerdspeak and real technologies. But 
it's the writing and characterization that makes this show stand out for me, 
combined with spooky direction that really grabs you and puts you inside the 
head of the protagonist. 

And that's a somewhat scary and uncomfortable place to be, because the narrator 
and protagonist of the series is Elliot, a borderline psychopath with diagnosed 
anti-social disorder who self-medicates with morphine and hacks into the 
cyber-universe of pretty much anyone he wants to. He's certifiable, and we're 
inside his head. Elliot is so distanced from the world he's almost autistic, 
but he's a brilliant coder, so in his Day Job he's on the staff of a computer 
security firm, and at night he turns into a Robin Hood-like white hat hacker. 

Rami Malek is tremendous at capturing all of this. And "all of this" is just 
the background stuff that goes down in this pilot episode before Elliot gets 
approached by Mr. Robot. Played by Christian Slater, he's an anarchist who has 
his own group of uber-hackers and wants Elliot to come on board and join the 
Revolution. He makes Elliot the proverbial offer he can't refuse: "What if you 
could set in motion the largest revolution the world will ever see – the single 
biggest incident of wealth redistribution in history?"

To cut to the chase, I really *like* this series. It's gritty and 
netherworldish like early William Gibson, and I haven't been so quickly grabbed 
by a new set of characters in quite some time. I finished the pilot looking 
forward to future episodes. Unfortunately, that seems to mean waiting until the 
end of June, when the show is due to air on the USA network. Here's the first 
few minutes, but the full pilot is widely available on the Net, so you can 
watch it for free if you're interested. I give it a big Thumbs-Up. 
Mr. Robot: Extended Sneak Peek - New Series on USA (Premieres June 24)


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

The word yagya MEANS sacrifice.The pundit rituals, the yagyas are fire 
sacrifices, where they offer clarified butter and other stuff to Agni and the 
other gods in the fire. 

Yajna - The Vedic Sacrifice

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    From: salyavin808 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 7:42 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

That depends totally on one's point of view. 

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for a 
while
To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to sell 
prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
  From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a 
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Its not sinister, but it is a cult.

  From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance.":

Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people 
here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some 
writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in 
use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain 
about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts..  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is 
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three 
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference?  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice.  
They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early 
age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a 
secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums 
to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. 

Seems that some he

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 1:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
   
    That depends totally on one's point of view. 

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.


This is really the point. Presented with the description above of the TM 
organization (which strikes me as provably accurate), ONLY a TM True Believer 
would say that it is not a cult. 

The organization's "normal" behavior just *screams* cult. You'd have to be 
pretty firmly stuck inside that organization's mindset not to have noticed. 
Just sayin'...



 
  

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 That depends totally on one's point of view. 

 

 A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

 

 Sacrifices? Not seen any of those. But my credibility was sure sacrificed for 
a while
 

 To add to the list, how about a bunch of people who exploit their PHD's to 
sell prayers and wild theories about cosmology to unwary students by cobbling 
together feasible looking charts and science-y sounding gobbledegook when 
they've got to know for sure they are talking rubbish?
 

 That's gotta be cultish behaviour. See also the Intelligent Design crowd and 
the Jehova's Witnesses.
 

 From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 No it appears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice for 
many, a culture for some and something possibly sinister for some few. Saying 
it is all 'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely a fair analysis. Yours is 
not. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Its not sinister, but it is a cult.
 

 From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
   
 Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used 
here without qualification or material substance.": 

 Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
 

 The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
 

 Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
 

 Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 
 

 

 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point. But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way it gets used against 
people here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult' without qualification the way 
some writers employ it in method as slur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 'Cult' this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become so ubiquitous 
in use. And these same professionals as writers employing 'cult' here complain 
about what they assert is a lack of creativity or originality in posts..   

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is 
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three 
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference?   
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice.  
 

 They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early 
age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a 
secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums 
to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. 

 

 Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in 
claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem.  
 

 One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and 
work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he 
was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to 
fly. Gawd! 

 

 Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than 
objective. 

 

 At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused t

Re: [FairfieldLife] Science and Astrology

[salyavin808]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife  
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 10:37 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Science and Astrology
 
 
   
 The idea that stars express Divine Will goes back some 2,300 years to the 
Babylonians. 

 

 Here's the latest version of this belief. Not content to merely fuck with our 
lives via the influence of their powerful Woo Woo Rays, some believe that 
celestial objects are now taking a more active role:
 

 Crikey! Head for the hills!
 

 Frantic Irish radio caller warns that God is sending killer anti-LGBT asteroid 
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/27/frantic_irish_radio_caller_warns_that_god_is_sending_killer_anti_lgbt_asteroid/
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/27/frantic_irish_radio_caller_warns_that_god_is_sending_killer_anti_lgbt_asteroid/
  
  
  
  
  
 Frantic Irish radio caller warns that God is sending kil... 
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/27/frantic_irish_radio_caller_warns_that_god_is_sending_killer_anti_lgbt_asteroid/
 Ireland's vote in favor of same-sex marriage has apparently doomed the Earth 
VIDEO


 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

That depends totally on one's point of view. 

A group where the leaders wear robes and crowns, call themselves kings, are 
fearful of solar eclipses and south facing entrances, advocates tearing down 
all existing buildings in the entire world and rebuilding all structures by 
their standards, tout astrology and Hindu rituals and sacrifices as being 
science, celebrates all Hindu holidays and religious celebrations - only a TM 
True Believer would say this is not a cult.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 11:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
   
    
No itappears she is recognizing that in portions TM seems a practice formany, a 
culture for some and something possibly sinister for somefew. Saying it is all 
'cult' misses the gradation. Hers is likely afair analysis. Yours is not.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Its not sinister, but it is a cult.

  From: "s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2015 7:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective
 
 
Re "Yes, using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often used here 
without qualification or material substance.":

Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


Yes,using 'cult' works as a slur here on FFL the way it is often usedhere 
without qualification or material substance, that is the point.But without 
material substance it's mostly an ad hominem the way itgets used against people 
here on FFL. The continued use of 'cult'without qualification the way some 
writers employ it in method asslur runs to violating the Yahoo-groups 
guidelines, again.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


'Cult'this, 'Cult' that, it has no meaning anymore it is become soubiquitous in 
use. And these same professionals as writers employing'cult' here complain 
about what they assert is a lack of creativityor originality in posts..  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You are really asking a lot of the informants, Buck. Using the "cult" word is 
one of their favorite straw man arguments. Everyone knows that at least three 
of the current FFL informants were leaders of a cult years ago. Transference?  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Could we get beyond the claim that TM is a 'cult' and not just a practice.  
They would have us believe that they were all forced into a cult at an early 
age, held against their will for a decade, brainwashed into believing in a 
secret doctrine, and then sent out into the world and to online to news forums 
to preach - like some kind of Manchurian Candidate, but in reverse. 

Seems that some here have an ideological bias that is intellectually passe in 
claiming 'brain-washing' and 'cult' as ad hominem.  
One guy claims he was forced to live inside a pod for two winters in Iowa and 
work in a hot kitchen every day baking pastries for the leader. On weekends, he 
was locked inside a golden dome and couldn't escape unless he learned how to 
fly. Gawd! 

Some clearly seem to have a personal axe to grind that is other than objective. 

At one point this particular informant, so he said, refused to set a table for 
a group dinner and so he got kicked out of the cult and sent packing. He claims 
to have gone over the fence late one night and took a bus back to his mother's 
place to hide out. 

The question now is, is he still brainwashed or not? Apparently he is very 
susceptible to suggestion.
So, how does he get his mind back after being held in a cult against his will? 
Where is Dr. Pete when we need him? Go figure.  
TheBrainwashing Model Debunked:  
http://tinyurl.com/y6bzst2

Workcited:

Anthony, Dick. "Religious Movements andBrainwashing Litigation: Evaluating
Key Testimony," in Tho

Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi School retrospective

[TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]]

From: "s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

Yes, indeed. In the sociological classification of religious movements, a cult 
is a religious group with socially deviant or novel beliefs and practices. Well 
the TMO has novel beliefs and practices so I would happily call it a cult. But 
that label has no negative connotation for me. It's just a useful category. 
The problem is that "cult" has, over time, acquired negative meanings such as 
coercion and social withdrawal. Now ask yourself: out of all the people who 
have learned TM and then decided the technique was not for them, how many have 
come under pressure from the TMO to get back with the program if they knew what 
was good for them? Zero! That's how many.
Contrast that with the experience of those who've turned against Scientology 
and have started to talk publically against Dianetics. So Scientology is a cult 
in the full negative sense.
Although I suspect that the TMO has cult-like behaviour (in a negative sense) 
for those who penetrate the upper echelons after becoming teachers or 
administrators, for those who are simply meditators, TM is not - repeat not - a 
sinister cult. 


While I think your analysis is more balanced than many, s3raphita, I should 
point out that "pressure to keep cult members from leaving the cult" is FAR 
from the most defining characteristic of a cult, and in fact is more the 
exception than the rule. For example, in the TM organization cult, people are 
theoretically free to leave any time they want. Theoretically. Anyone who had 
been around for some time, however, knew that they would be giving up their 
friends and family by doing so, because those people would in all likelihood 
write them off and treat them as untouchable heretics after they left. The 
larger truth is that the more inbred and divorced from reality the cult is, the 
more likely it is to want any member who starts to display doubts about the 
group TO leave, so that they don't "infect" others with their ideas.

I would suggest that the defining characteristics of a cult are more like those 
proposed by Rick Ross (below). I may not like the guy, but I think his list is 
pretty fair, and covers the full range of modern cultic groups -- from 
religious/spiritual cults to corporate/political cults. How many of the 
following criteria do you believe do NOT apply to someone who has chosen to 
live within one of the inner circles of the TM organization cult -- Fairfield, 
MUM, Vlodrop, or one of their other locations?
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader of a potentially unsafe 
group/leader.

1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. 
2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. 
3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an 
independently audited financial statement. 
4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, 
evil conspiracies and persecutions. 
5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in 
leaving, negative or even evil. 
6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar 
pattern of grievances. 
7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that 
document the abuses of the group/leader. 
8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". 
9. The group/leader is always right. 
10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving 
validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. 

Ten warning signs regarding people involved with a potentially unsafe 
group/leader regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe 
group/leader regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe 
group/leader.

1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion 
of almost every practical consideration. 
2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and 
separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the 
follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly 
fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and 
deepens. 
3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as 
"persecution". 
4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and 
mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. 
5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and 
definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think 
independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. 
6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede 
any personal goals or individual interests. 
7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. 
8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an 
interest in the group/leader. 
9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no