date:20160930

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repost: Swiss army triplet?

2016-09-30 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, my bad! I used a "Small" letter for the flam, instead of a lower case one, 
mainly because the lower case l looks
 exactly like an upper case I, at least in "this" font...
 

 The reason why I asked was this: I've only recently started
 to practice some flam rudiments. I'm right-handed but
 left-footed (like e.g. the heavy metal drummer Jason Bittner).
 

 Just noticed that rLLR is much easier for me to play than
 lRRL. I can play the former fairly effortlessly without having practiced it
 virtually at all, so that it has a "good groove", 
 but most instructors on Youtube seem to start with latter.
 

 So, perhaps I've been a left-handed military drummer in some
 possible former lifetime??  LOL!

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Actually, no snacking during the day, but generally a calorie rich diet. FWIW.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Well then, I would call you disciplined.  I eat two meals a day and snack in 
between, and have a soda habit that I have discussed here often.  I don't often 
feel that my stomach is empty, and judging by most people I see, I don't think 
they do either.  It sounds like you have a healthy weight, and you exercise.   

 If you feel that is typical of most people, then you must live in a community 
where good habits are more in evidence.
 

 Is Fairfield like that?
 

 Oh, am I sick?  I don't think so. The battery of tests I underwent with my 
plane episode came back indicating no issues.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other 
kind of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a 
regular meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a 
fair amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough 
protein with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer. 

 I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.
 

 You’re not sick are you?
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Obviously.  My eating habits have not changed much in thirty years, but weight 
gain has occurred.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become slow 
oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. Often 
supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more like it was in 
our younger years.
 
 On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.
 
 
 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 
 
 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 
 
 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 
 
 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 
 
 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 
 
 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:salsunshineiniowa@... wrote :
 
 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



 On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 
 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 
 
 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Well then, I would call you disciplined.  I eat two meals a day and snack in 
between, and have a soda habit that I have discussed here often.  I don't often 
feel that my stomach is empty, and judging by most people I see, I don't think 
they do either.  It sounds like you have a healthy weight, and you exercise.   

 If you feel that is typical of most people, then you must live in a community 
where good habits are more in evidence.
 

 Is Fairfield like that?
 

 Oh, am I sick?  I don't think so. The battery of tests I underwent with my 
plane episode came back indicating no issues.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other 
kind of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a 
regular meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a 
fair amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough 
protein with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer. 

 I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.
 

 You’re not sick are you?
 
 Sal 
 

 




On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Of course
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, the majority consensus of people who screw up and embarrass themselves 
when they get in an argument with me, as you've done so often. No surprise 
there.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Strange, the misconceptions people live with.  
 

 If I had to hazard a guess, I would say it indicates the inability to hold 
opposing points of view in one's mind. 
 

 Sorta like, "If I can't do it, no one can"

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Actually, I support the female candidate. Hillary looked fantastic on the 
debate stage, while Trump looked like some old guy you might see in a corner of 
a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and generally being a boor. Hillary was 
sharp and poised, completely in charge of her material and her emotions. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ollie, what would happen if you dared to say something positive about Trump.   

 I mean, you've been on this tirade non stop for about three months now, 
without a pause.
 

 Maybe, for the sake of a change, take a different tack for maybe 24 hours.  Or 
maybe a few minutes.
 

 Can you think of something positive to say about him.  Non sarcastic, possibly.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Now, wait a minute.  He is not alone in being selfish about his interests.  I 
would say that is the rule rather than the exception particularly when there is 
money at stake.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :
 snip
  Someone like Trump worrying more about his image in the pageant business than 
the mental and physical health of one of the winners is indicative of what we 
all already know - it's all about him and the rest of you be damned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 

 What? What universe do you live in? I will tell anyone my age, my weight or 
pretty much anything else they want to know. I've never been coy like that. 
BTW, I'm 5'4", weigh 141 lbs and will turn 60 on November 5. 
 

 How much do you weigh Judy?
 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 

 You don't know what her obligations were until you read the contract. And 
certainly no one needs to be berated by a hypocritical misogynist like Trump in 
order to tow some line he determines is her responsibility to tow. It's 
bullshit. A real professional frames their words and their need to communicate 
with another by being respectful and sensitive to other human beings. His crass 
and obnoxious approach to Machado was unnecessary and the sign of a power 
hungry asshole.
 

 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WT

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

As we get older with most people the metabolism slows down.  We become 
slow oxidizers and not just eating less and exercising more won't help. 
Often supplementation is needed to help restore the metabolism to more 
like it was in our younger years.


On 09/30/2016 04:54 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.


I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what 
it's like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"


No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I 
wish to felt that way more often.


No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 
25 lbs is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some 
success but not much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled 
with some kind of exercise.  I have not been doing much of that 
lately, either.


As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't 
see anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign 
hi-lighting violence against women, or domestic abuse. That has become 
a more hi profile issue, deservedly so, of course.


To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into 
political correctness issues, which can also become extreme.


By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or 
shaming of any kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you 
have any idea of what it’s like to live with the feeling of being 
constantly hungry?  Not to mention whatever plastic surgery they feel 
they have to get for their one brief moment in the sun.


Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role 
knowing she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when 
someone’s “investment” is built on someone else denying themselves, 
for a whole year, basic sustenance, isn’t that already a major 
deception? That they all do to one extent or another and that seems to 
be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the contest? And isn’t it time 
to start wondering when we’re going to finally retire and put to bed, 
permanently, such horrendous examples of fake femininity, fake male 
dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very young and 
most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.


The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely 
just started eating normally again, or however normally you can after 
doing whatever it is someone feels they need to do to whittle 
themselves down to a stick.


Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching 
someone like Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically 
starving young women, all vying for his attention, while he goes back 
to the next lavish buffet as he decides which of them to make his 
plaything for the next year.



Sal


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... 
 [FairfieldLife] 
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>> 
wrote:




if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to 
gain 60 lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the 
obligation for that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical 
appearance that I would think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, 
but I can understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Repost: Swiss army triplet?

2016-09-30 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

Of course we use the flammed version. And these days a lot more than was 
in traditional rudimental drumming. To indicate a flam in ASCII it would 
probably work better this way:

rLLR  IOW, a lower case "R".  Or you could have posted the image.

Also in solos the last note might be played on the bass drum.  so rLLB.

On 09/30/2016 11:47 AM, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



In Swiss army triplet, the first stroke is a flam, corresponding a 
"graced" note in the case of

a melody instrument

Perhaps it's not used in American field drumming??

https://youtu.be/Hk-b91Aj-LQ?t=1m54s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Are you kidding Steve??  Of course I feel “genuinely" hungry!  (What other kind 
of hunger is there?) Every day, usually about 4-5 hours after I eat a regular 
meal, and my stomach is once more empty.  Especially if I’ve gotten a fair 
amount of exercise, then it might be sooner. Making sure I eat enough protein 
with each meal helps keep the hunger pangs away for a bit longer.

I’m not sure I understand why you don’t, and if you really don’t, why losing 
weight is an issue.

You’re not sick are you?

Sal 



On Sep 30, 2016, at 6:54 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:



Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not.

I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's like 
to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"

No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 

No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs is 
to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.

As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.

To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com , 
 wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.

The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.


Sal 


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@...  
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>> wrote:



if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Just some other thoughts, some directly related, some not. 

 I'm not sure in what context you mean when you say, "any idea of what it's 
like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?"
 

 No, I don't.  I rarely ever have the feeling of being hungry, and I wish to 
felt that way more often. 
 

 No, I have never gone on a crash diet.  My ongoing plan to lose about 25 lbs 
is to eat less.  A little less all the time.  I am having some success but not 
much.  Losing weight, in my opinion must be coupled with some kind of exercise. 
 I have not been doing much of that lately, either.
 

 As to the other issues, which you put in a context, I would say, of 
exploitation of women, I would have no comment, except that I don't see 
anything changing there, short of the continuing campaign hi-lighting violence 
against women, or domestic abuse. That has become a more hi profile issue, 
deservedly so, of course.
 

 To put a damper on girls aspiring to win beauty contests, or become 
cheerleaders, I think is a misdirected objective that can detour into political 
correctness issues, which can also become extreme.

 

 By the way, do you regularly feel genuinely hungry?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

FWIW, I had missed this.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Your source for the 60-pound figure is what, now? ---In 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

2016-09-30 Thread anon_alias

Does a candidates's weight influence your vote?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist 
immediately. Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and 
given his marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret 
drinker. With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is 
something very wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

What strikes me about this is Trump's sheer stupidity. Hillary carefully laid a
trap for him and he fell right into it—and is still digging himself deeper into
a hole. In contrast, note how in the debate Trump also tried to goad Hillary,
but she easily resisted the bait. Trump is clearly a weak individual who cannot
control his own emotions, whereas Hillary is mistress of hers.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

No... the New York Times represents Hillary. They do it on *her* behalf.
Hillary goes on to insinuate that Trump disrespects *all* women based on a few
women's negative experiences. He's a *woman hater*! Yeah, yeah, that's the
ticket! Just because a person has conflict with a few people in a demographic,
doesn't mean that they are bigoted towards that demographic.
I doubt he was really trying to get her to address her weight problem. More
likely he was trying to *encourage* her to resign her position. If I were an
embarrassment to my employer, I don't think I would want to work for him/her
and quit. So the New York Times takes advantage of the situation and dredges up
the old story for Hillary to exploit. Consequently, Machado gets some sense of
satisfaction, while her name is drug through the mud again. She becomes a
martyr for the cause. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clinton Foundation has
made a significant *contribution* towards her.

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump
incident up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever
mentioned it. Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over
again," is delighted that it's getting publicity.

And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it
since the debate.

In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight
isn't the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a
few pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her
ethnicity, making her work out in front of umpty television cameras,
deliberately humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any
weight problem.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I
lawyer. However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will
not tolerate a significant weight gain.
Machado doesn't have a *right* to her *crown*. She was selected for a certain
appearance and couldn't maintain it. Everybody lost on this, both her and the
Pageant.

I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight.
I have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt
her self esteem but life goes on.
Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and is putting this woman through it
all over again.

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Please look at this article. It's a quick read.

Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims?
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump...
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...

View on www.yahoo.com
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the
truth about her weight or weight gain?
How much do you weigh Judy?
The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year.
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado
is feeling any pain over this, it

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

No... the New York Times represents Hillary.

Wrong. The NY Times does not "represent" Hillary. All you ever read is your
right-wing garbage, which you never question, or you'd know that Hillary's
supporters and admirers have been pissed off at the Times for *years*, and
super-pissed off when she began campaigning, at the Times' bias against her.

But the Times loathes Trump even more than it loathes Hillary.

They do it on *her* behalf. Hillary goes on to insinuate that Trump
disrespects *all* women based on a few women's negative experiences. He's a
*woman hater*! Yeah, yeah, that's the ticket!

She's never called him a "woman hater." She's pointed out, as have many
others, that he tends to treat women disrespectfully.

Just because a person has conflict with a few people in a demographic, doesn't
mean that they are bigoted towards that demographic.

It's not a matter of "conflicts." It's a matter of a longstanding habit of
disrespect toward women.

I doubt he was really trying to get her to address her weight problem. More
likely he was trying to *encourage* her to resign her position.

According to Trump himself, he *saved her from being fired*.

If I were an embarrassment to my employer, I don't think I would want to work
for him/her and quit. So the New York Times takes advantage of the situation
and dredges up the old story for Hillary to exploit.

The Times didn't "dredge up" anything. They did a long story on Trump's
treatment of women. They interviewed a lot of women (including, for "balance,"
several women who said he treated them well) besides Machado. I gave you the
link, but once again you didn't bother to read the article. Might disturb your
preconceptions. Can't have that, can we?

Had nothing to do with Hillary. The Times is on a crusade against Trump, and
this story was part of it.

Consequently, Machado gets some sense of satisfaction, while her name is drug
through the mud again. She becomes a martyr for the cause. I wouldn't be
surprised if the Clinton Foundation has made a significant *contribution*
towards her.

Bullsh*t. The Clinton Foundation doesn't contribute money to individuals.

You're making a yge mess of this issue, Mike. You don't know what you're
talking about, and you're making stuff up right and left only to have it
knocked down. With friends like you, Trump doesn't need enemies.

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it
since the debate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Please look at this article. It's a quick read.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Rape and indecent exposure are not *indiscretions*! They are criminal!

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 4:05 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

MD,
In Yahoo News today, Bianna Golodriga addresses the same issues we're 
discussing here.  She fears that Trump might drag past issues with Bill 
Clinton's indiscretions and blame Hillary for these in the next debate.  If he 
does, we wonder how the American public will react to it.  Will he keep his 
mouth shut or take Rudy Giuliani's unsolicited advice?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html
Whatever the case will be, these presidential debates will apparently become 
entertaining, as well as an academic study on how NOT to lose an American 
election during the digital age and the internet.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary loves 
Jihadists.
You're making a blanket statement.Trump wants our borders and immigration laws 
respected. He wants people from areas of conflict, better vetted before 
immigrating here,.so do tens of millions and maybe hundreds of millions of 
Americans.
How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. 
That doesn't mean he doesn't like and admire other women.
I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate everyone 
like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like Obama, then 
it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have absolutely nothing 
to do with it, right?Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man 
can seriously  shame anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.

  From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked likesome old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking tooloudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised,completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 Actually, I support the female candidate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

No... the New York Times represents Hillary. They do it on *her* behalf. 
Hillary goes on to insinuate that Trump disrespects *all* women based on a few 
women's negative experiences. He's a *woman hater*! Yeah, yeah, that's the 
ticket! Just because a person has conflict with a few people in a demographic, 
doesn't mean that they are bigoted towards that demographic.
I doubt he was really trying to get her to address her weight problem. More 
likely he was trying to *encourage* her to resign her position. If I were an 
embarrassment to my employer, I don't think I would want to work for him/her 
and quit. So the New York Times takes advantage of the situation and dredges up 
the old story for Hillary to exploit. Consequently, Machado gets some sense of 
satisfaction, while her name is drug through the mud again. She becomes a 
martyr for the cause. I wouldn't be surprised if the Clinton Foundation has 
made a significant *contribution* towards her.

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 2:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump 
incident up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever 
mentioned it. Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over 
again," is delighted that it's getting publicity.
And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it 
since the debate.
In any case, whether she had an obligation to maintain her winning weight isn't 
the real issue. The real issue is how Trump treated her when she gained a few 
pounds, publicly fat-shaming her, calling her names, disparaging her ethnicity, 
making her work out in front of umpty television cameras, deliberately 
humiliating her. None of that cruelty was necessary to correct any weight 
problem.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.  
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I lawyer. 
However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will not 
tolerate a significant weight gain.Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her 
*crown*. She was selected for a certain appearance and couldn't maintain it. 
Everybody lost on this, both her and the Pageant. 
I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. I 
have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and 
is putting this woman through it all over again.

  From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.      
Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims?
|  |
|  | |  | Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump... Alicia 
Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The Trump camp 
claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d... |  |
| View on www.yahoo.com|   Preview by Yahoo  |
|  |

  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?How much do you weigh Judy?The fact is, 
she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. Height/weight 
proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her obligation. Sorry, 
that's just the way it is.Hillary brought this up and into the public to 
exploit an *issue*. If Machado is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary 
that ripped off the scab for her benefit.The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a 
little insensitive? 


  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hop

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

 

 MD,
 

 In Yahoo News today, Bianna Golodriga addresses the same issues we're 
discussing here.  She fears that Trump might drag past issues with Bill 
Clinton's indiscretions and blame Hillary for these in the next debate.  If he 
does, we wonder how the American public will react to it.  Will he keep his 
mouth shut or take Rudy Giuliani's unsolicited advice?
 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html
 

 Whatever the case will be, these presidential debates will apparently become 
entertaining, as well as an academic study on how NOT to lose an American 
election during the digital age and the internet.
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary 
loves Jihadists.
 You're making a blanket statement.
 Trump wants our borders and immigration laws respected. He wants people from 
areas of conflict, better vetted before immigrating here,.so do tens of 
millions and maybe hundreds of millions of Americans.

 How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.
 The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. That doesn't mean he doesn't 
like and admire other women.

 I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate 
everyone like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like 
Obama, then it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have 
absolutely nothing to do with it, right?
 Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man can seriously  shame 
anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.


 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   

 

 Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Actually, I support the female candidate. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Please John,if Trump despises foreigners, Muslims and women, then Hillary loves 
Jihadists.
You're making a blanket statement.Trump wants our borders and immigration laws 
respected. He wants people from areas of conflict, better vetted before 
immigrating here,.so do tens of millions and maybe hundreds of millions of 
Americans.
How do you know he doesn't like women that don't fit his criteria of beauty? A 
lot of money was wasted/waisted naming Machodo Miss Universe and she didn't 
live up to the image expected.The feud between Trump and Rosie goes way back. 
That doesn't mean he doesn't like and admire other women.
I guess, if you don't like a person, that person can then say you hate everyone 
like them in their demographic, whatever it is. If you don't like Obama, then 
it must be because you're a racist. His ideology would have absolutely nothing 
to do with it, right?Fat shaming? I don't know how a three hundred pound man 
can seriously  shame anyone's weight. I guess that gives Hillary the *fat* vote.

  From: "jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:30 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    

Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked likesome old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking tooloudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised,completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Actually, I support the female candidate. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Notice Mike's misrepresentation: Machado *herself* brought this Trump incident
up to the New York Times a few months ago, before Hillary ever mentioned it.
Machado, far from not wanting to be put "through it all over again," is
delighted that it's getting publicity.

And Trump, needless to say, has been behaving like an utter a'hole about it
since the debate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Please look at this article. It's a quick read.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

View on www.yahoo.com
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet. If you have something more
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.

This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not
rushing off to work.

But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done. But, given the
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly,
an expectation along these lines. That's all I'm saying.

Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say. Our culture is so
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.

More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLif

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

What's the relevance to Trump's disgusting sexism? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 So which is worse, someone who is blunt and  may say something *unkind* about 
a woman's figure or  someone who notoriously exposes himself to vulnerable 
women and has even raped them?
 
 



 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 

 I certainly have.
 

 How much do you weigh Judy?
 

 None of your business. But if I were going to tell you, I wouldn't lie about 
it.
 

 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 

 Except it turns out that's not a fact, not "just the way it is." There are no 
weight or appearance clauses in beauty pageant contracts.
 

 You keep falling for Trump's lies.
 

 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 

 Wishful thinking, Mike. Machado seems to be doing just fine. She was one of 
the women, Hillary, who made it public. (And it was public at the time, too. 
That was the problem: he shamed her in front of the media, made her exercise 
for the cameras.)
 

 To the women here, don't read this unless you're feeling really strong. It 
will make your skin crawl:
 

 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
 
 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades.


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  


 

 

 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks for reading the article, Mike.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "emily.mae50@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Please look at this article. It's a quick read.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

View on www.yahoo.com
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet. If you have something more
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.

This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not
rushing off to work.

More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet? Do you have any idea of what
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry? Not to mention
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment
in the sun.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Repost: Swiss army triplet?

2016-09-30 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]


 In Swiss army triplet, the first stroke is a flam, corresponding a "graced" 
note in the case of
 a melody instrument
 

 Perhaps it's not used in American field drumming??
 

 https://youtu.be/Hk-b91Aj-LQ?t=1m54s https://youtu.be/Hk-b91Aj-LQ?t=1m54s

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

So which is worse, someone who is blunt and  may say something *unkind* about a 
woman's figure or  someone who notoriously exposes himself to vulnerable women 
and has even raped them?

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 1:11 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
I certainly have.
How much do you weigh Judy?
None of your business. But if I were going to tell you, I wouldn't lie about it.
The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
Except it turns out that's not a fact, not "just the way it is." There are no 
weight or appearance clauses in beauty pageant contracts.
You keep falling for Trump's lies.
Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
Wishful thinking, Mike. Machado seems to be doing just fine. She was one of the 
women, Hillary, who made it public. (And it was public at the time, too. That 
was the problem: he shamed her in front of the media, made her exercise for the 
cameras.)
To the women here, don't read this unless you're feeling really strong. It will 
make your skin crawl:
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades. 
||
||||   Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd 
reliance...  Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on 
ambition, and unsettling workplace conduct over decades.||
|  View on www.nytimes.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread jr_...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

 Trump is acting just as his jyotish chart is showing.  He despises foreigners, 
particularly Mexicans and Muslims.  He does not like women who does not fit his 
criteria for beauty.  Thus, he "fat shames" Rosie O'Donnell, the comedian, and 
Alicia Machado, the former Miss Universe.  In short, he has a very powerful 
Shakti Yoga, as Hitler did, which can negatively affect the entire US 
population, if he gets elected.
 

 

 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :


 
 Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 

 From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Actually, I support the female candidate. 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailt

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Pretty hard to hide a weight gain of 60 pounds, especially when you're wearing 
form-fitting exercise leotards. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, the majority consensus of people who screw up and embarrass themselves 
when they get in an argument with me, as you've done so often. No surprise 
there.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?
 

 I certainly have.
 

 How much do you weigh Judy?
 

 None of your business. But if I were going to tell you, I wouldn't lie about 
it.
 

 The fact is, she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. 
Height/weight proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her 
obligation. Sorry, that's just the way it is.
 

 Except it turns out that's not a fact, not "just the way it is." There are no 
weight or appearance clauses in beauty pageant contracts.
 

 You keep falling for Trump's lies.
 

 Hillary brought this up and into the public to exploit an *issue*. If Machado 
is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary that ripped off the scab for her 
benefit.
 

 Wishful thinking, Mike. Machado seems to be doing just fine. She was one of 
the women, BTW, that the NYTimes interviewed awhile back about Trump's 
treatment of women. She told them exactly what Hillary reported in the debate. 
So you've effed up again. It was Machado herself, not Hillary, who made it 
public. (And it was public at the time, too. That was the problem: he shamed 
her in front of the media, made her exercise for the cameras.)
 

 To the women here, don't read this unless you're feeling really strong. It 
will make your skin crawl:
 

 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades. 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 
 http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 
 Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance... 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
Interviews reveal unwelcome advances, a shrewd reliance on ambition, and 
unsettling workplace conduct over decades.
 
 
 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  


 

 

 The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a little insensitive? 

 
 


 From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 
   Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.
 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Emily, I read the article and don't have her contract to read, nor am I lawyer. 
However, most jobs involving a certain appearance, such as this, will not 
tolerate a significant weight gain.Machado  doesn't have a *right* to her 
*crown*. She was selected for a certain appearance and couldn't maintain it. 
Everybody lost on this, both her and the Pageant. 
I doubt that you would find an NFL cheerleader more than 5 pounds overweight. I 
have a niece that was about 5-10 pounds over her ideal weight when she tried 
out for a *drill squad*position with her high school. She had worked very hard 
to get a few more pounds off before the try outs but those last few were too 
hard. She didn't make the squad and was very upset about it. I'm sure it hurt 
her self esteem but life goes on.Hillary dredged this up for her own gain and 
is putting this woman through it all over again.

  From: "emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Please look at this article.  It's a quick read.      
Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims? 
||
||||   Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as 
Trump...  Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. 
The Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts 
d...||
|  View on www.yahoo.com  |Preview by Yahoo|
||

   


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?How much do you weigh Judy?The fact is, 
she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. Height/weight 
proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her obligation. Sorry, 
that's just the way it is.Hillary brought this up and into the public to 
exploit an *issue*. If Machado is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary 
that ripped off the scab for her benefit.The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a 
little insensitive? 


  From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]" 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
 
 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these b

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Hillary looked fantastic on the debate stage, while Trump looked like some old 
guy you might see in a corner of a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and 
generally being a boor. Hillary was sharp and poised, completely in charge of 
her material and her emotions. 

*Fantastic*? No, she really looked smug and arrogant.She is already very 
*unlikable*. That did not help her public image. 
  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 11:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

    Actually, I support the female candidate. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:

if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking News: USA Today Editorial Board declares Trump "Unfit to lead."

2016-09-30 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]


So Hillary and you are authoritarians?

On 09/30/2016 09:36 AM, olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Has Bernie answered any of your emails, imploring him to get back in 
the race, to stop Evil Hillary from removing your testicles? Better be 
wearing some steel boxers, come November...



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

You'll go in circles with Hillary then because she is right wing.  You 
Hillary supporters are so Hillarious!


On 09/29/2016 09:24 PM, olliesedwuz@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Trump sure isn't. I enjoy both wings - flying with one, you will
only go in circles.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
, 
 wrote :

So you are right wing?:-D

On 09/29/2016 04:49 PM, olliesedwuz@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:


Another right-wing paper, USA Today has woken up to the
inevitable truth - Trump would be a disaster for this
country. The avalanche has begun...


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Yes, of course.  Men too.  When I first started in my business, I would wear a 
dress paints, jacket, button shirt and tie.  Then I graduated to  just a dress 
pants, and button down shirt.  I was pretty much following the lead of my 
customers.  Now it is polo type shirt during warm weather, and pullover type 
polo during cold weather.  I mention that because the button down shirt allowed 
me hide a little extra weight better than the polos. 

 My wife successfully just lost some extra weight that she had put on.  Feels 
really good about it.  And yes, she was much more self conscious about the 
extra weight than I am.  And yes, it affected how she dressed, etc.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking News: USA Today Editorial Board declares Trump "Unfit to lead."

2016-09-30 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Has Bernie answered any of your emails, imploring him to get back in the race, 
to stop Evil Hillary from removing your testicles? Better be wearing some steel 
boxers, come November...
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 You'll go in circles with Hillary then because she is right wing.  You Hillary 
supporters are so Hillarious!
 
 On 09/29/2016 09:24 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Trump sure isn't. I enjoy both wings - flying with one, you will only go in 
circles.

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
 mailto:noozguru@... wrote :
 
 So you are right wing?:-D
 
 On 09/29/2016 04:49 PM, olliesedwuz@... mailto:olliesedwuz@... [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

   Another right-wing paper, USA Today has woken up to the inevitable truth - 
Trump would be a disaster for this country. The avalanche has begun...
 
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/
 
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

Actually, I support the female candidate. Hillary looked fantastic on the 
debate stage, while Trump looked like some old guy you might see in a corner of 
a bar somewhere, talking too loudly and generally being a boor. Hillary was 
sharp and poised, completely in charge of her material and her emotions. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

You can't always tell from pictures. Women have a way of hiding it.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to 
show a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see 
where that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for 
practical purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position 
and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Trump tweets angrily at 2AM

2016-09-30 Thread olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

He needs to quit this campaign nonsense, and see a psychotherapist immediately. 
Mentally and physically ill - easily 100 pounds overweight, and given his 
marked rise in irrationality as the night wears on, perhaps a secret drinker. 
With all the secrets he keeps and the lies he tells, there is something very 
wrong with this punk.

 

 https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-alicia-machado-134018710.html

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Okay, from her. No problem. The picture during that time doesn't appear to show 
a massive weight gain, so, as I said, that changes things.  I can see where 
that amount of weight gain would bug someone like Trump, but, for practical 
purposes, I'd say it was in the range of acceptable for her position and title. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngdYGCavAyY

  
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

You're pretty weird, Judy, and live in weird world where you twist things 
around to suit your needs.  Nothing new, of course, but pretty much makes 
normal dialog with you impossible. Of course that's been the consensus for as 
long as you've been on these groups.  At least the majority consensus. 

 But, as a study of certain kind of twisted dysfunctionality, you are 
interesting.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Repost: Swiss army triplet?

2016-09-30 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

These are not triplets because there are four notes.  Did you mean rLL 
rLL rLL?  Those would be triplets.  And it doesn't matter which hand you 
lead with.  With 4 beats like you have listed you have an exercise for 
strengthening the second beat of a two stroke roll.


Here's where you get some technique nowadays. I used to teach this stuff:
https://youtu.be/F9dgTYSj59g

On 09/30/2016 02:45 AM, he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:



How do you prefer to play Swiss army triplet?


1. LR R L  ,


or


2. RL L R


If I get any answers, I'll explain why I ask this...

Re: [FairfieldLife] Breaking News: USA Today Editorial Board declares Trump "Unfit to lead."

2016-09-30 Thread Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]

You'll go in circles with Hillary then because she is right wing.  You 
Hillary supporters are so Hillarious!


On 09/29/2016 09:24 PM, olliesed...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


Trump sure isn't. I enjoy both wings - flying with one, you will only 
go in circles.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

So you are right wing?:-D

On 09/29/2016 04:49 PM, olliesedwuz@...  
[FairfieldLife] wrote:



Another right-wing paper, USA Today has woken up to the
inevitable truth - Trump would be a disaster for this country.
The avalanche has begun...


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/09/29/dont-vote-for-donald-trump-editorial-board-editorials-debates/91295020/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Please look at this article. It's a quick read.

Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump Campaign Claims?
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html

Did Alicia Machado Breach ‘Weight Clause’ as Trump...
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html
Alicia Machado has largely been the focus of campaign news this week. The
Trump camp claims she breached her Miss Universe contract — pageant experts d...

View on www.yahoo.com
https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html

Preview by Yahoo

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

From: "authfriend@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet. If you have something more
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.

This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not
rushing off to work.

More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances. But when someone’s “investment”
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to
be the stuff of science fiction.

The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception. She most likely just
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@...
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for
that title. There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would
think would go along with that role.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Now that's *sexist*!

  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

    When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male 
candidate.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Christ, listen to yourself.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:

if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I have no idea how much she gained but have you ever known a woman to tell the 
truth about her weight or weight gain?How much do you weigh Judy?The fact is, 
she was under contract to have a certain appearance for a year. Height/weight 
proportionality was a part of it.She couldn't live up to her obligation. Sorry, 
that's just the way it is.Hillary brought this up and into the public to 
exploit an *issue*. If Machado is feeling any pain over this, it was Hillary 
that ripped off the scab for her benefit.The *horses* mouth? Isn't that a 
little insensitive? 


  From: "authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:18 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know
   
    Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on 
the internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:


if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Bingo

  From: feste37 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 10:33 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know

    And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is?

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Thanks, Sal, for your reply.
This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
More comments later, I think.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.
Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.

Sal 

On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:

if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

And of course, Trump always tells the truth, never lies about anything. If he 
says her weight gain was "massive," then we can be absolutely confident that's 
what it was. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

When push comes to shove, the men here are going to support the male candidate. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

I listen to myself all the time. And I know for a fact that no woman has ever 
lied, or even stretched the truth, about her own weight. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Last Act As Jefferson County Bernie Lead

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

What censorship? What threat? You're hallucinating again.

--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

So this is what the *Hillarious..Not* thread was all about. Censorship, or at
least the threat of it.

From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]"
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:43 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Last Act As Jefferson County Bernie Lead

Dear Fellow Bernie Sanders Supporters,

I am writing you as my last act as Jefferson County Bernie delegation lead to
ask that you join me in voting for Hillary Clinton and avert the horrific
possibility of a Trump presidency.

Let me immediately acknowledge that Hillary is no Bernie Sanders and that many
of the things Bernie stands for are not likely to gain much traction with Ms.
Clinton as president. That said, on the single most important issue facing
America and the world, Climate Change, Ms. Clinton's policies are far closer to
Bernie's than to those of Climate Change denying “I love coal” Trump.

According to many of the world’s leading climate scientists, some 80% of
already discovered fossil fuel reserves must never be burned if we are to avert
widespread Climate Change disaster. (Even as I write, Cedar Rapids is bracing
for its second 100-year flood in just eight years.) Eight years of Trump’s
“drill baby, drill,” pro-coal, anti-regulation policies would mean “game over”
for Climate Change and irreversibly threaten life on our planet as we know it.
This must not happen.

Bottom line? Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is going to be our next
president. We owe it to our children and all future generations to make sure
that we elect a president who will not sacrifice their well-being at the altar
of the fossil fuel industry. Please join me in voting for Hillary to make sure
that sacrifice does not happen.

With love and respect,
Jonas Magram

P.S. Of course, there are MANY significant reasons a Trump presidency would be
a disaster for America; Climate Change is simply and by far the most
significant among these.

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I told you where it came from: Machado herself. I wondered, initially, whether 
you had some documented evidence--e.g., a record of one of her weigh-ins--for 
the 60-pound figure. In which case there would have been no "gotcha" or 
correction, would there? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Do some internet research on whether the contract really had some clause in it
specifying weight or weight gain or not.

It didn’t. From another article:
Pageant coach Valerie Hayes concurs, telling Yahoo
Beauty, “No, pageants do not typically include any type of clause about
maintaining their ‘winning’ look. They can cut their hair — [Miss America 2016]
Betty Cantrell cut her hair after her win, went through most of her year with a
chin-length bob, and got hair extensions to crown her successor — change their
hair color, gain/lose weight, or even get a tattoo. There are no known clauses
prohibiting changing their ‘look.’”

And further down:
But Prejean’s 11-page Miss California contract (again, part of the Miss
Universe pageant system), which appears in PDF format on the Fox News website

with a 2008 signature, makes not a single mention of weight.

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/did-alicia-machado-breach-weight-clause-as-trump-campaign-claims-190821594.html

Sal

On Sep 30, 2016, at 10:38 AM, emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:

Are you swallowing what Trump has said without question? Why? Why would you
believe a single thing he says about any woman? Seriously? You are quite
likely demonstrating a "subconscious" ingrained pattern of sexism - question
your assumptions.

Take a look at a picture of her physical appearance from back then after her
supposed "massive" weight gain." She looks seriously healthy and of a "normal"
weight. Do, really, look at her physical appearance and get back to me. Do
some internet research on whether the contract really had some clause in it
specifying weight or weight gain or not. Try to imagine what that might read
like! Thirdly, the way Dumpy treated her should in no way be minimized into
"flak." He was delusional himself and abusive as usual.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ,
mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com>> wrote :

Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary and
there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they are
not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her
employer.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com ,
wrote :

Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] My Last Act As Jefferson County Bernie Lead

2016-09-30 Thread Mike Dixon mdixon.6...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

So this is what the *Hillarious..Not* thread was all about. Censorship, or at 
least the threat of it.

  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:43 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] My Last Act As Jefferson County Bernie Lead

    Dear Fellow Bernie Sanders Supporters, I am writing you as my last act as 
Jefferson County Bernie delegation lead to ask that you join me in voting for 
Hillary Clinton and avert the horrific possibility of a Trump presidency. Let 
me immediately acknowledge that Hillary is no Bernie Sanders and that many of 
the things Bernie stands for are not likely to gain much traction with Ms. 
Clinton as president. That said, on the single most important issue facing 
America and the world, Climate Change, Ms. Clinton's policies are far closer to 
Bernie's than to those of Climate Change denying “I love coal” Trump. According 
to many of the world’s leading climate scientists, some 80% of already 
discovered fossil fuel reserves must never be burned if we are to avert 
widespread Climate Change disaster. (Even as I write, Cedar Rapids is bracing 
for its second 100-year flood in just eight years.) Eight years of Trump’s 
“drill baby, drill,” pro-coal, anti-regulation policies would mean “game over” 
for Climate Change and irreversibly threaten life on our planet as we know it. 
This must not happen. Bottom line? Either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump is 
going to be our next president. We owe it to our children and all future 
generations to make sure that we elect a president who will not sacrifice their 
well-being at the altar of the fossil fuel industry. Please join me in voting 
for Hillary to make sure that sacrifice does not happen. With love and 
respect,Jonas Magram P.S. Of course, there are MANY significant reasons a Trump 
presidency would be a disaster for America; Climate Change is simply and by far 
the most significant among these.
 The transcendental meditationists
The transcendental meditationists who turned an Iowa farm town into a Bernie 
base 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Christ, listen to yourself.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Are you swallowing what Trump has said without question?  Why?  Why would you 
believe a single thing he says about any woman?  Seriously?  You are quite 
likely demonstrating a "subconscious" ingrained pattern of sexism - question 
your assumptions.   

 Take a look at a picture of her physical appearance from back then after her 
supposed "massive" weight gain."  She looks seriously healthy and of a "normal" 
weight.  Do, really, look at her physical appearance and get back to me.  Do 
some internet research on whether the contract really had some clause in it 
specifying weight or weight gain or not.  Try to imagine what that might read 
like!  Thirdly, the way Dumpy treated her should in no way be minimized into 
"flak."  He was delusional himself and abusive as usual. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary 
and there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they 
are not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

And of course, a woman is a very reliable source about how much weight she 
gained. She would not dream of saying a lower figure than what actually 
occurred. It would not even enter her head to do such a thing. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

P.S.: I asked you initially (not the quote below), very innocently, what your 
source was for the 60 pounds figure--and you ignored the question. That's why I 
followed up by suggesting you were reluctant to divulge your source. Turns out 
my suspicion was correct: your source was unreliable, and you knew it. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Ya knowmaybe one day you will learn to converse like a normal person 
instead of being locked in to this, "gotcha" "corrector" mode. 

 Obviously I was mistaken.  That does happen, perhaps not to you.
 

 Thank you for correcting this misperception on my part.  It does change things.
 
Do you mind revealing from whence this number came?
 

 Thank you again.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Starving young women? Give me a break. They are like athletes in training. 
They get themselves in shape in order to compete in a contest. No one is 
forcing them to do it. 
 

 Check this out, just because.
 http://womensenews.org/2002/12/beauty-pageant-contestants-remain-underfed/ 
http://womensenews.org/2002/12/beauty-pageant-contestants-remain-underfed/
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Machado says she gained about 12 pounds. But you'd rather go with "buzz on the 
internet" that confirms your own biases than get the information from the 
horse's mouth, as it were. 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I picked up this number from buzz on the internet.  If you have something more 
accurate, then put it out here, in a normal way of discussing things, if you 
are capable of such.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

This sounds like common sense. 

 Look, I don't like Trump, but these sentiments are what provide him his 
support.
 

 The notion that political correctness has gotten to an extreme such that it 
impacts what most people have accepted as normal.
 

 Thumbs up to the University of Chicago for interjecting some of this common 
sense into the discussion.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary 
and there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they 
are not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Right again. 

 I am rushing here, but I thought Sal's comments were directed to the larger 
issue.  No problem there.  But specifically, it is hard to argue against the 
idea that contestants in competition like this have a pretty good idea of the 
overall expectations, whether you find them acceptable or not.
 

 If they find those expectations unreasonable, they can certainly resign the 
crown.  Or, maybe their objective is make a protest about the overall issues 
Sal has raised.  That would be a different story.  But, you can't have it both 
ways. 
 

 And, to be honest, I thought the lady a bit of weird vibe when I saw her 
interview on Anderson Cooper.  And, she will be the first to admit she is "no 
saint".  Her words.  She's done some weird shit herself.  Highly unethical shit.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Starving young women? Give me a break. They are like athletes in training. 
They get themselves in shape in order to compete in a contest. No one is 
forcing them to do it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

Starving young women? Give me a break. They are like athletes in training. They 
get themselves in shape in order to compete in a contest. No one is forcing 
them to do it. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

I gather you have a certain reluctance to identify your source for the 60 
pounds figure, eh, Stevie-boy? Wonder why that is? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread feste37

Exactly. Being Ms. Universe for a year is a job. I believe it pays a salary and 
there are numerous perks. Every job has certain requirements, and if they are 
not met, the person concerned can expect to get some flak from his or her 
employer. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Birds of a Feather

2016-09-30 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Another boy's club (not the Corner this time).
 

 http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/donald-trump-male-advisers/ 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/donald-trump-male-advisers/

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 Exactly. He is the ultimate hypocrite. The little boy who has to feel powerful 
by kicking the puppy or setting fire to an ant hill. This guy is a waste of 
skin and the sooner he returns to the gaudy hovel he calls "home" and the 
business life he calls "success" the better.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: My Last Act As Jefferson County Bernie Lead

2016-09-30 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Dear Fellow Bernie Sanders Supporters,

I am writing you as my last act as Jefferson County Bernie delegation lead to
ask that you join me in voting for Hillary Clinton and avert the horrific
possibility of a Trump presidency.

With love and respect,
Jonas Magram

P.S. Of course, there are MANY significant reasons a Trump presidency would be
a disaster for America; Climate Change is simply and by far the most
significant among these.

Thank God someone in Iowa has some sense. From my FB feed of some FF'ers I
have come to see they live in a fantasy world of 'revolution' and third party
presidents. Some are even so deluded to believe Putin a wise and generous
leader whose purported banning of GMO's is testimony to his enlightened
governing. Snort. What bullocks. Hopefully some of these deluded citizens will
listen to this Jonas Magram and come to whatever senses they might possess.
The transcendental meditationists

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-transcendental-meditationists-who-turned-an-iowa-farm-town-into-a-bernie-base/2016/01/29/b4de383c-c5e1-11e5-8965-0607e0e265ce_story.html

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?
 

 Here is something. How about Trump approaching the weight-gainer in private 
and in a much more professional way? How about keeping these things from 
becoming a media circus with cameras following her jumping rope and working the 
weight machines and instead focus on an empathetic approach where there are no 
insults thrown but perhaps you bring in an eating disorder professional to help 
counsel the woman to help her find her way towards balanced lifestyle choices. 
The extremes that these poor beauty queens have to go to in order to fulfill 
the expectations of the public as a specimen with no fat, perfect boobs and 
hair is likely to boomerang back the other way where you simply want/need to 
eat after so much deprivation. Eating extremes/disorders are complicated 
business and can last a lifetime. Someone like Trump worrying more about his 
image in the pageant business than the mental and physical health of one of the 
winners is indicative of what we all already know - it's all about him and the 
rest of you be damned.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Thanks, Sal, for your reply. 

 This was sort of what I was hoping to get, and I'd like to reply when I am not 
rushing off to work.
 

 But, yes, it raises much larger questions, which you've done.  But, given the 
state of things now, or when she was coronated, there was, rightly or wrongly, 
an expectation along these lines.  That's all I'm saying.
 

 Whether beauty contests are just exploration, I can't say.  Our culture is so 
dialed into the display of sexuality, whether it be NFL cheerleaders or beauty 
contests, and many women and girls are drawn to it in a big way.
 

 More comments later, I think.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun. 

 Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.
 

 The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.
 

 Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.
 

 

 Sal  

 



On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
 

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread Sal Sunshine salsunshineini...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

Steve, leaving aside for a moment how disgusting fat shaming…or shaming of any 
kind is... have you ever gone on a crash diet?  Do you have any idea of what 
it’s like to live with the feeling of being constantly hungry?  Not to mention 
whatever plastic surgery they feel they have to get for their one brief moment 
in the sun.

Now maybe you could say she was being deceptive by accepting the role knowing 
she most likely couldn’t keep up appearances.  But when someone’s “investment” 
is built on someone else denying themselves, for a whole year, basic 
sustenance, isn’t that already a major deception? That they all do to one 
extent or another and that seems to be just fine with Trump, the “owner” of the 
contest? And isn’t it time to start wondering when we’re going to finally 
retire and put to bed, permanently, such horrendous examples of fake 
femininity, fake male dominance, fake ideals of beauty, all built on these very 
young and most likely desperate women doing things to their bodies that used to 
be the stuff of science fiction.

The*whole thing* is a sick and twisted deception.   She most likely just 
started eating normally again, or however normally you can after doing whatever 
it is someone feels they need to do to whittle themselves down to a stick.

Not to mention there's something truly disgusting about watching someone like 
Trump cavort and play mind games with these basically starving young women, all 
vying for his attention, while he goes back to the next lavish buffet as he 
decides which of them to make his plaything for the next year.


Sal 


On Sep 29, 2016, at 10:57 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
 wrote:



if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.



Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Ya know....

2016-09-30 Thread authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Your source for the 60-pound figure is what, now? 

 

 

 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 if you are the winner of a Ms. Universe contest and then you go on to gain 60 
lbs., I'm not exactly sure you can say you are fulfilling the obligation for 
that title.  There is a certain expectation of physical appearance that I would 
think would go along with that role.
 

 Now, I would say that you should not ridicule or demean that person, but I can 
understand if the owner of the contest might think, WTF?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

2016-09-30 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

There is a beautiful and much more detailed description of this process in Joan 
Harrigan's book Kundalini Vidya. Just to give a hint: once Shakti has traversed 
sushumna and reaches makara, She is stable. From there She and Shiva travel up 
to crown chakra. But this is just the tip of the iceberg of wisdom contained in 
Dr. Harrigan's book. I highly recommend it for any who are interested. It can 
be ordered at PKYC in Knoxville, TN.


  From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 

 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 5:22 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!
   
    ..it is the vagus or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this 
solar fire or energy, the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the 
macrocosm. This fire energizes humans and uses them to express the qualities of 
love and wisdom. There also is a fire by friction in the center of the earth 
called the kundalini fire. The human is the focal point of these two fires or 
forces which play through him and activate his seven centers of light. The 
kundalini is a negatively charged energy which is activated by the positively 
charged energy, the spiritual fire, which is located in the central spiritual 
sun.It is said that at a propitious time kundalini hears the call of her mate 
and rises from her cave in the base of the human spine to meet him. The 
kundalini fire is aroused as a final step in one's spiritual development, and 
it can only travel up a clear, pure channel, activating the chakras as it goes. 
While this is happening, the latent powers within one are also coming into full 
expression in a natural way. It is the way that one through many rebirths, and 
now rapidly through meditation, moves from mortality to immortality. [excerpt]
FFL 419964 A Biography of Charlie Lutes and Helen Lutes:

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419964



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Once I heard M directly telling the classical analogy of these energies 
circulating in the energy centers of the nervous system. The classical analogy 
..like a snake circulating with its tail in its mouth, circulating through the 
energy centers, and his comment that Transcendental Meditation is what takes 
the tail out of the snake’s mouth and then allows the snake to circulate 
freely. I directly heard him saying this one time on a course in Switzerland 
and then sometime later that year while I was back in the USA teaching then 
hearing someone recount Maharishi as saying (as if literally) ‘there is a snake 
in the spine’, etc.  Jeez people!  I feel he stopped publicly talking about 
these aspects of embodiment of the primordial in the light body of the human 
being as it was too distracting for where a lot of people were at and where the 
 development of science was at in that time such that science then could not 
back up what is the spiritual reality.  
Obviously the instrumentation is not yet there to image this and put a handle 
on it.  That sort of technological imaging in science research proly will catch 
up with spirituality in time. 



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

Yes, as breath is also intimate to the heart and subtle system it seems that 
working on alignment of these subtle energy systems of the spiritual nervous 
system is a lot of where so many of the meditating community have gone on to.  
I have been going to these planning meetings with various movement people and 
it is pretty clear that some of those still narrowly vested in the strict ™ 
consciousness paradigm  don’t really get where people have gone in their 
spiritual experience.  More recently with the opening up of mental health 
policy inside TM, some clinical thinkers are moving to the direction of 
‘integral’ medicine but that only goes to incorporating cognitive modality as 
their means of getting to the heart of spiritual problems.  That is okay as one 
modality. The communal satsang of the old meditating community evidently has 
cultivated other experience with it.  


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

I am predicting that breath, or prana will at some point, become a focus of 
western medicine. Probably before interest in something like energy centers 
takes hold.
The Upanishads, in particular, talk about the different breaths, and the 
functions they perform.  Breath may be something people can understand better 
than say, chakras.
Another area which has little or no public awareness is that of sexual energy, 
and how it pertains to overall health and mental acuity, at least as I see it.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

M stopped talking much about it publicly at points when faced with an 
intellectual skepticism about these energy centers:  ‘Thin lines of energy 
flowing in the central nervous system? ’ ..'Where exactly?'  
Comparing to the science then at that time growing on 'consciousness' defi

[FairfieldLife] My Last Act As Jefferson County Bernie Lead

2016-09-30 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

Dear Fellow Bernie Sanders Supporters,

I am writing you as my last act as Jefferson County Bernie delegation lead to
ask that you join me in voting for Hillary Clinton and avert the horrific
possibility of a Trump presidency.

With love and respect,
Jonas Magram

P.S. Of course, there are MANY significant reasons a Trump presidency would be
a disaster for America; Climate Change is simply and by far the most
significant among these.

The transcendental meditationists

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[FairfieldLife] Re: Kuurma-naaDii and nervus vagus!

2016-09-30 Thread dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

..it is the vagus or tenth cranial nerve that is the most receptive to this 
solar fire or energy, the spiritual fire coming down, the fire of the 
macrocosm. This fire energizes humans and uses them to express the qualities of 
love and wisdom. There also is a fire by friction in the center of the earth 
called the kundalini fire. The human is the focal point of these two fires or 
forces which play through him and activate his seven centers of light. The 
kundalini is a negatively charged energy which is activated by the positively 
charged energy, the spiritual fire, which is located in the central spiritual 
sun.
 It is said that at a propitious time kundalini hears the call of her mate and 
rises from her cave in the base of the human spine to meet him. The kundalini 
fire is aroused as a final step in one's spiritual development, and it can only 
travel up a clear, pure channel, activating the chakras as it goes. While this 
is happening, the latent powers within one are also coming into full expression 
in a natural way. It is the way that one through many rebirths, and now rapidly 
through meditation, moves from mortality to immortality. [excerpt]
 
 FFL 419964 A Biography of Charlie Lutes and Helen Lutes: 

 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419964 
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/419964

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Once I heard M directly telling the classical analogy of these energies 
circulating in the energy centers of the nervous system. The classical analogy 
..like a snake circulating with its tail in its mouth, circulating through the 
energy centers, and his comment that Transcendental Meditation is what takes 
the tail out of the snake’s mouth and then allows the snake to circulate 
freely. I directly heard him saying this one time on a course in Switzerland 
and then sometime later that year while I was back in the USA teaching then 
hearing someone recount Maharishi as saying (as if literally) ‘there is a snake 
in the spine’, etc.  Jeez people!  
 I feel he stopped publicly talking about these aspects of embodiment of the 
primordial in the light body of the human being as it was too distracting for 
where a lot of people were at and where the  development of science was at in 
that time such that science then could not back up what is the spiritual 
reality.  
 

 Obviously the instrumentation is not yet there to image this and put a handle 
on it.  That sort of technological imaging in science research proly will catch 
up with spirituality in time. 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 Yes, as breath is also intimate to the heart and subtle system it seems that 
working on alignment of these subtle energy systems of the spiritual nervous 
system is a lot of where so many of the meditating community have gone on to.  
 I have been going to these planning meetings with various movement people and 
it is pretty clear that some of those still narrowly vested in the strict ™ 
consciousness paradigm  don’t really get where people have gone in their 
spiritual experience.  More recently with the opening up of mental health 
policy inside TM, some clinical thinkers are moving to the direction of 
‘integral’ medicine but that only goes to incorporating cognitive modality as 
their means of getting to the heart of spiritual problems.  That is okay as one 
modality. The communal satsang of the old meditating community evidently has 
cultivated other experience with it.  
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 I am predicting that breath, or prana will at some point, become a focus of 
western medicine. Probably before interest in something like energy centers 
takes hold. 
 The Upanishads, in particular, talk about the different breaths, and the 
functions they perform.  Breath may be something people can understand better 
than say, chakras. 

 Another area which has little or no public awareness is that of sexual energy, 
and how it pertains to overall health and mental acuity, at least as I see it.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 M stopped talking much about it publicly at points when faced with an 
intellectual skepticism about these energy centers:  ‘Thin lines of energy 
flowing in the central nervous system? ’ ..'Where exactly?'  

 Comparing to the science then at that time growing on 'consciousness' defined 
by meditation then to also describe and defend a subtle system which science 
has yet to be able to even image would be daunting at best given where people 
and science was at in time.  But clearly it was where he was going in his 
teachings and methods even to his last techniques in marma, vibrational 
modalities and the Ved and Physiology practice.  The guy was a visionary, sage, 
empiricist and necessarily practical going forward. We don't have so much 
guidance coming out of TM about it other than ideas of stre

[FairfieldLife] Repost: Swiss army triplet?

2016-09-30 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]



 How do you prefer to play Swiss army triplet?
 

 1. LR R L  , 
 

 or
 

 2. RL L R
 

 If I get any answers, I'll explain why I ask this...

[FairfieldLife] Swiss army triplet?

2016-09-30 Thread he...@hotmail.com [FairfieldLife]



 How do you play Swiss army triplet?
 

 1. LR R L  , 
 

 or
 

 2. RL L R
 

 If I get any answers, I'll explain why I ask this...

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