[FairfieldLife] Re: All Peace and Bliss to this Woman
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I had a heros list, she would be on it. Give her a moment of silence, if possible. Just heard a little piece about her on NPR. She certainly backed up her words with action. She is an inspiration for everyone. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi? file=/c/a/2005/04/18/MNGMFCALUC1.DTL Noted activist for war victims killed in car bomb attack Californian Marla Ruzicka championed humanitarian aid in Iraq Charles Burress, Tanya Schevitz, Chronicle Staff Writers Monday, April 18, 2005 Marla Ruzicka poses April 15 with an Iraqi family helped ... Protesting with Global Exchange at the Commonwealth Club ... Counting civilian victims of the war in Iraq, Marla Ruzic... A car bomb attack near Baghdad has killed a well-known activist from Northern California who entered war zones to record civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan and secure aid for those caught in the cross fire. Marla Ruzicka, 28, of Lakeport (Lake County), founder of CIVIC -- Campaign for Innocent Victims of Conflict -- died with her driver on the Baghdad Airport road Saturday when a suicide bomber attacked a convoy of security contractors that was passing next to her vehicle, according to her family and news reports quoting U.S. Embassy officials in Iraq. The target of the attack apparently was not Ruzicka's vehicle, said her mother, Nancy Ruzicka, who received the account from the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. She was killed while traveling to visit an Iraqi child injured by a bomb, part of her daily work of identifying and supporting innocent victims of this war, said CIVIC representative April Pedersen in a statement on the group's Web site. Given the U.S. military's policy of not accounting for civilian casualties in Afghanistan and Iraq, Ruzicka's work played a key role in drawing attention to the human tragedy of the war and giving the world a well- researched accounting of the cost in innocent lives. Ruzicka grew up in Lakeport and made New York City her base for her frequent trips to the war areas. She continued going into the increasingly violent Iraqi conflict areas even after most international aid organizations and relief agencies had bailed out. In Iraq and Afghanistan, she worked 15-hour days going out to scenes of civilian carnage and painstakingly documenting the toll. She also struggled to obtain relief for the families of the victims. The day before she was killed, Ruzicka left a message for her parents on their cell phone to let them know she was OK after 18 people were killed by a car bomb in Baghdad. She said, 'Mom and Dad, I love you. I'm safe,' said Nancy Ruzicka. The next day, she wasn't. Ruzicka was supposed to come home April 4, but she just kept finding work she wanted to do, her mother said. Among those calling the distraught family Sunday was U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt. I just feel terrible, Leahy told The Chronicle in a telephone interview from his home outside Washington, D.C. I told her father that most people in a lifetime would never accomplish what she has. She was only 28. Ruzicka, in an irrepressible one-woman campaign, got Leahy's office involved in winning congressional approval of civilian aid worth $10 million in Afghanistan and $20 million in Iraq, said Leahy aide Tim Rieser. Marla was really the inspiration behind these programs, Rieser said. On the surface, she doesn't seem like someone whom people in Congress would pay attention to -- vivacious, scatterbrained, losing her cell phone every 15 minutes, living out of a suitcase, having no money. Then you listen to her, and you realize she's the only one doing it. She's out there getting the data. She was doing something that really needed to be done but was so dangerous many people wouldn't do it. Her death stunned the activist community in the Bay Area and beyond. Marla seemed to have one speed -- all-ahead-full, Kevin Danaher and Medea Benjamin, co-founders of San Francisco's Global Exchange, said in a memorial statement Sunday responding to what they called the utter shock of losing this bright, shining light whose work focused on trying to bring some compassion into the middle of a war zone. Ruzicka, at a very young age, showed concern for others, her mother said. During a trip to Mexico, Nancy Ruzicka said, she wanted to spend all of her money buying Chiclets from the poor children to help them out. Her parents learned from neighbors just how creative their daughter had become in raising money to help the disadvantaged. When they moved, they said, 'We are going to miss Marla coming to sell us rocks,' Nancy Ruzicka said. She was raising funds by selling rocks. It was at Global Exchange, a human rights advocacy group, that Ruzicka began her activist career while still in high school. A dozen years ago,
[FairfieldLife] Re: Real Advaita, Pseudo-Advaita, and Ramesh Balsekar at Kovalam 2004
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.advaita.org.uk/discourses/trad_neo/trad_neo.htm Here is a snip from that article: The subtle part of the ego believes itself to be 'enlightened' but the vasanas are still active, so the awakening is conceptual, and possibly imagined, rather like the 'born again' experience in evangelical Christianity. No Jnani ever claims to be Enlightened. It remains for others to recognise his qualities. To say 'I am enlightened' is a contradiction, as the I which would make such an assertion is the 'I' which has to be destroyed before Enlightenment can happen. The Neo Advaita teacher is still talking from the mind in reflected Consciousness not from the 'no mind'. To claim to have awakened others' prematurely in this tentative way then becomes further proof of a teacher's ability. This builds up a false sense of expectation in the mind of the naive and gullible adherents that they may become awakened too, if they are lucky. Similarly amusing is when someone makes the statement that there is no me. There does seem to ultimately be a kind of truth in that statement, and arguments about what constitutes a 'me' could go on forever, but for it to be even said, requires a me. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The 10 Helpers...!!!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 4/18/05 1:45 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. People can subscribe to these and other things, like the daily jyotish thing that got banned. No need to post it everyday. People know its there if they want it. No auto or canned posts! You're probably right. Unless I hear an outcry from the Daily Inspiration fans here, I'll unsubscribe them both. I'll create a link to the Daily Inspiration site in the links area. We can add other related links to that as we go along. Wise decision. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Rory Problem Redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A dissenting view: Perhaps you should read his endless ti-raid of nonsensical egomaniacal postings more carefully. I for one tried reading them carefully but at some point, I'm not sure maybe it was the third tripentameter level of the fifth sub- gramatic field of yantric geometries or the life world plane subset perpetuating into prime recapitulations of the eternally reproducing five point rhombus that I kind of lost track of things. But hey, I am he and he are me and we are all together, um..so it shouldn't really matter..uh..right? I think I lost track again, maybe God didn't do such a good job arranging the pebbles in my head. Rod Crukstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Pope/The Maharishi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the last days, I've been moved by what I've seen at the Vatican as it gets a chance to get back to basics. This only is happening to those with TV and spending a lot of time watching the whole media hype. The media is controlling your emotions. Amen! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, my techniques are like nose blowing for the sinuses. You're looking for a specific booger. Hey you know what?, that's pretty funny 'and' it's a good answer. Peter K I don't know if you read Patanjali's Yoga sutras but in a nutshell it says it's all about the fluctuations of the mind. Rick Carlstrom - Original Message - From: peterklutz To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 8:45 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Brain meltdown v. head chakra experience (was: Possessed?) Thank you for your answer, Rudra Joe. Reading it I can tell you are A-class governor material - no knowledge, no experiences, and a trainload of bullshit. I am sure you will be admitted to this now program. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you can simply follow the mind then you know that these experiences are merely the subtle fluctuations of the mind, and nothing but the fluctuations of the mind. It's the mind. The Mind, I tell you. The mind. So just don't mind! Easy, foget about it. If you can't then try a mild tranquilizer for awhile. The best technique for subtle mental agitation is to do something which makes one forget it altogether. Don't trip out about demon possesion as that's merely hooking onto a mental agitation and ascribing some additional value to it. The demons that effect our practice are all merely subtle mental agitations. Worry not about some 'outer' influence, worry instead about the 'inner' cause for the disturbance. And surrender it to the present. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] established or waking state memory?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) However, when someone starts talking about experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had such experiences, if they are speaking out of conceptual belief or direct experince. Just curious, but do you think that in order to talk about CC (for example) that a person has to be established in that state or can they just have had moments where their awareness had expanded to that state? Rick Carlstrom Establishment, of course would be best, but any degree of experience opens the awareness and allows the concepts to have an experiential context. -Peter(Sri Sri Arrogant-ji) Thank you for that distinction. Now in these discussions the question becomes; is the speaker established in this state or are they just remembering how it was? It would seem that one is substantially dirrerent from the other. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Governor recertification course
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, of course Billy Smith was doing his own courses in Ireland and is prolly doing well with it. I think he corrected the mantras and made them more true to usual Hindu form. I'm not sure he's a mantra master though, but nonetheless, you don't have to be to have your own courses, and this time we can have them based on love and dance and music and singing and bhajans and stuff, we can have meditation and massage and bellydancing classes, and sit outdoors and meditate ten minutes or ten hours, we can do anything. Who wants to go? Can you drink whiskey and do your sutras at the same time? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) So there we have it, Akasha -- using the intellect to discover the intellect. Discriminate not on who is right or who is wrong, but on who is trying to figure out who is right and who is wrong. The ego projects the whole movie, and all the actors in it are just projections of ourself. :-) But if we did that, there would be no reason for this site to exist or for these discussions. We would all just 'know' and that would be it. Maybe then people would invent ignorance pills that would be consumed at private parties and people would just stand around and talk. Hey...wait a minute! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) However, when someone starts talking about experinces of CC it is very clear, if you have had such experiences, if they are speaking out of conceptual belief or direct experince. Just curious, but do you think that in order to talk about CC (for example) that a person has to be established in that state or can they just have had moments where their awareness had expanded to that state? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Reminded of April 4th deadline
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I look back at the Movement I see myself and my desires, not really much more than that. Oh yeah baby, the smoke clears and what do we see? Yaw cookin wit gas now, sucka! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Does Quantum Soup Cause Paralysis?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't start the celebrations too early. The point still holds: if you talk about something with no experiential context, the conversation is meaningless beyond entertainment. -Peter But, dont we all have the experience of consciousness? In a way, just to be alive gives us all the experiential context we need. Rick Carlstrom --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great. Glad to hear it. And now the world won't be burdened anymore with nonesense admonitions about dharmas when there are references to similtaneous multiple levels of understnding about soemthing. Its a great day of celebration. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:. Thank you for setting me straight. I feel much better. -Peter --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To be a bit more specific Peter, your dharma cop role assumes most people are fools. It assumes all people are like woody allen's satire / characture of himself as a kid in Annie Hall. As you remember, the young 10 year old is brought to the psychiatrist by his mother because Alvie won't do anything other than stare at walls. Alvie explains his version of existential angst to the shrink, the universe is expannding, which means one day it will explode and that will be the end of everything. Some funny responses: His mother yells, What business is it of yours what the Universe is doing??!! And the shrink explains in condescending tones, Don't worry Alvie, Brooklyn is not expanding. Your fear appears to be that everyone is an Alvie, that they will be paralyzed into inaction if they dare recognize a reality that is only partially, though perhaps not yet eternally recognized. People, their associated reactive minds, intellects and bodies, are usually not that dull as to sink into paralysis when realizing conceptually, based on experience -- even if it is not eternal experience, that there is no doer. Or at a deeper level, there is no action. One can learn of how food is assimilated at chemical, quantum mechanical or even cosmological levels (it doesn't amout to a hill of beans to quote another film) and yet still the body contines to eat on the surface level. It is not shocked into paralysis knowing its just quantum soup drinking quantum soup. So your role playing dharmic high priest, telling people from what and how they should interpret the world, is ITMBO (in this mind/body's opinion) more something you are working out internally, and does not provide much useful real world guidance for others. But everyone can and will decide on their own. Besides, this is just all quantum soup made from an insignificant hill of beans. --- your pal alvie (still crazy, but not paralyzed, after all these years). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I understand Peter. As long as you continue to comparmentalize wholeness into little domains, and feel the need to keep tracking our different dharmas blazing in your mind, you will continue to feel the need to play dharma cop -- and to continue to cite people for your own internal vision of dharmic conflicts of the One Eternal Dharma. Cite away. As GH said: Beware of darkness. All things must pass. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Watch out Akasha, you're going to get a dharma fine! --- akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen When I started teaching TM in 1973, National always sent the correct percentage back and the correct percentage into my ATR account. That lasted for a few years until someone sucked the ATR credit account dry. -Peter Well, for the mind/body aka Peter, there was no doer of the initiations, and thus no thief claiming ownership of the action, and thus no thief claiming ownership of the ATR credit. And the blazing Brahman mind/body aka MMY, was not a thief of the action of canceling all ATR credits. Thus it appears nature was working on nature, adjusting karmic account consistent with Eternal Dharma. No thief, no victim, no foul. So where in the Brahaman is the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Geometries of Consciousness: Correction: Lunar Icosahedron, not Dodecahdron
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rory Goff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correction -- the 12 point-selves create the Lunar Icosahedron, not the Dodecahedron. The Icosahedron has 12 vertex-points, with 20 triangular faces arranged in a group of 5 (pentangle) around each pole and 10 more zigzagging around the equator. (Corrected also in text below.) Rory! Go to your room, right now! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That reminds me, MMY has said that gaining Cosmic Consciousness is like waking up from a bad dream. -And RJ says that CC has gotta be like waking inside a bad dream. put that in your pipe and smoke it To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tools
The higher the voltage the more powerful the battery powered drill will be, but they are also heavier. For general work a 9 volt will work fine but the battery on a 12 or a 14 volt has more capacity so you can do more between charges and they are plenty powerful without to much extra weight. $69 is suspiciously cheap for an 18 volt cordless, most good ones range from $160 to $260. The hammer drill is for drilling into concrete or masonry. It hammers the bit as it turns which makes a huge difference if you need to drill into those materials. Makita makes a very good line of cordless tools, you can find some really good deals and they last forever. Ryobi puts out an impossibly cheap line of cordless drills that aren't anywhere near as well made as some of the better and more expensive brands but I have one that I've used and abused almost every day for more than a year and it still works fine. I have an old 9 volt makita that has worked fine for at least 5 years. You don't need an 18 volt model, a 12 volt is just fine. I recommend Makita, Dewalt or Ryobi. I notice there was quite an exchange between you and OWB over this, but haven't read them yet, don't know what was said but I never pass up the opportunity to talk about tools especially with a women who is interested in having some good ones. All women should have a good basic set of tools. T.M. is a tool for greater awareness (lame attempt to keep post on topic). Rick Carlstrom --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok you guys, I am trying to figure out if I bought the right tool. I watch homne and garden on TV and these dudes just pull out a drill and zzt the screw goes right in without drilling. I have been using a really old drill and unlike TV the drill bit falls out etc. I just bought a drill/driver black and decker cordless 18v rechargeable for $69. I could have got a mikata (sp) for $199 or a Dewalt for $199. There is something called (i think) an impact drill/driver. so does it make a difference which one I bought? should I return the Black and decker for the other models? I hate having crappy tools. I just noticed that this new drill requires me to screw in the casing that holds the drill. Maybe I should get the better one??? I am a power tools kind of woman and would like to find a guy with a good set of tools HAHA! I wish they would have let me take wood shop in jr. high school instead of cooking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Great advice
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Baked in the fierce flames of rebirth, and tossed between life and death, I have somehow obtained the light of Yoga which destroys the darkness of afflictions, but this thirstful atmosphere of attachment is antagonistic to that light. Having got that light why should I again be deluded by this mirage of pleasure and make myself a fuel of that burning fire of the cycle of births? Oh, ye pitiable, dreamy seekers of pleasures, may you be happy.' -Samkhya-yogacharya Sw. Hariharananda Aranya This is hard core. Deep stony truth. I never dreamt that pleasure could be the source of my pain. More and more I am seeing this as true. What, no pleasure? Surely that would be a pointless and painful existence. But miracle of miracles, no pleasure...no pain. No seeking and obstacles disappear. ...but this thirstful atmosphere of attachment is antagonistic to that light. How long will it take to never forget this? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom The cross is the crossed vajra, the swastika, and the third eye when open, it is not about a man crucified, except that we all also are always crucified as well between the absolute and relative being neither, both, and yet either. Take down that poor guy, his symbol is for the reflection of the sun of spirit riding upon the waters. When one views the cross they should see the divine displayed across the surface of the human mind, not some poor guy. That seeing some poor guys pathos is so Christian in itself, take that down. The true symbolism of Christ on the cross, is that the cross represents the flesh and blood body, and the conscious Self (Christ) is nailed to this cross of earthly existence by the senses of sight, hearing, taste and smell. Only when the Self no longer identifies with and as the flesh will it be taken down from the cross and ascend into heaven. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh come on, the self is nailed down to the relative because that is heaven. The cross feels like exstacy after 1,000 years, come push those nails deeper little boy. The cross points are the points of the all seeing eyes of the soul as it is enlightened within the material plane of tamas, One is nailed down in divinity at at least five points from crown to hands and feet, and with the secret inner space of the heart - side - where the power resides. You're enlightened so don't be clowning.Fuck ascension, descension of the spirit. Ascension is backwards. You freaking Vedanuts, I swear. You got it all backwards. Dammit! Wrong again. RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christians obsession with death
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I remember Mother Olson talking about how off Catholics were in their devotions to the crucifix. With all the beauty of a saints life, why the focus on a gory death? In every Catholic church is a crucifix and good catholics bow as they pass it. The Christians are against choices, against anything that allows one to die. One has to wonder why all this fixation on death if the belief is in everlasting life with rewards in heaven. You would think that Christians would be happy for anyone who died and went home to God. I remember reading in autobiography of a yogi that if people really knew what was going on, they would celebrate death and be saddened by birth (something like that). Everyone is riveted by Schiavo's death. Every moment we get an update. How would you feel to have so much attention when you want to be left alone? If I don't feel well, I don't want someone reporting every gory detail or hanging around watching me. People are dying every minute every day, why in the world fixate on it? Maybe Christians are really terribly afraid of death so they have to reassure themselves that they are the chosen ones and will really really really go to heaven. Those professing so much belief, seem to have so little faith. PS I was raised a good catholic I was thinking along these lines once and decided that what we need is a take Christ down from the cross campaign. Poor guy, being kept symbolically nailed to that cross for all this time, on millions upon millions of those crucifixion idols, being churned out in factories and shops on a non-stop basis across the globe. For Christs sake, let him down, he's suffered enough. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brahman Akasha 108 writes: very large snip of content Regardless, my primary point, as always, is that there is far too much emphasis on labeling and clasifying people and experiences. And this is just the sort of jumbled mess that often results when the majority of attention is put on such systems and classifications. Tom T writes: Absolutely agree. I didn't start this whole mess I just made an off hand and general comment as much in jest as in truth. In the future, Please ignore any comments you may see here and absolutely do not respond to them. I have had as much of this as you and don't see anything of value in continuing to beat this long dead horse. Tom T Further obsufcation and diversion. No it's not. The horse is dead when people cease to use add their own personal mythologies to TMO and classical terms and treat them as if these highjacked terms are the thing referred to by the TMO or classic texts. I have no problem of you referring to TomLand or RoryLand or even FantasyLand. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fw: Tulku Nyima/21 Tara Empowerment/Lonchenpa Teachings/Amitayus Long Life/April 8-13
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: DDCV To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Tulku Nyima/21 Tara Empowerment/Lonchenpa Teachings/Amitayus Long Life/April 8-13 Tulku Nyima Rinpoche Liberating the Mind Retreat April 8-13, 2005 Lincoln, Vermont May these teachings benefit all sentient beings. I knew there was a catch! RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) I think the discussion has value not in statically labeling and creating a stand-alone conceptual system, but in a dynamic conceptual-experiential interaction. Often I feel, akasha, that you are seeking some sort of completely contradiction-free, coherent conceptual system of higher states of consciousness. I see this as impossible due to the foundational shift as consciousness becomes increasingly aware of itself. There is no place to stand to view it other than itself. And this itself has no place to stand within it! -Peter Not trying to be a nit-picker but shouldn't the phrase;...as consciousness becomes increasingly aware of itself. read, as consciousness becomes increasingly aware 'as' itself? I think this is a very important distinction because a completely unified state will never be reached if one is always aware of another. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Shame on you.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...You all need to find humility first, before you claim enlightenment. I was able to do it,... Hardeharharhar, heeheehee, hoohooharhar, oh that's rich, bwahahahaha, yea that's good, wo boy hoo hoo, ow my stomach is starting to hurt. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 28, 2005, at 11:20 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: On the other hand it seems to be that Akasha and Vaj are definitely working on a definition of CC, GC and UC that does not fit what the TMO has been handing down for years. I am not saying that the TMO has it right What you get in the TMO is a watered down version, divorced from it's source material and rendered almost entirely in English. The rendition is via MMY so many *assume* it is from his own experience but clearly he is parroting the traditional scriptures and their commentaries and as elaborated by his own hired pundits. So it's a mish-mash really. What I notice is that people hang on the minutiae of his every word as if they represented the details. From my perspective his words are very general and not always rendered well. For example, the exposition of 3 higher states of consciousness strung along in sequential order is very misleading. The details are in the texts and commentaries. Therefore what should have happened is the general commentary, then textual basis alongside elaboration by pundits who know all the interconnections--this done while you are practicing. SCI should be restructured to show the source material behind the ideas presented--or a next level so they could price-gouge you again g. The traditional practice of teaching the upanishads in a particular order seems to be missing completely. It would be virtually impossible to really grok the seven states of consciousness a la the badarayana sutras without really understanding what they are referring to! In others words, while touting the purity of the tradition they have instead created a bastardization of a tradition: a puritanical Neo-Vedic, Neo-Hindu fundamentalist money making machine. All you need to do is transcend the intellect on a regular basis and take care of business. Do your duty, life serves up to you in a perfectly orderly manner the chores that need to be addressed and in the end it is the unfinished business that is the anchor keeping one tied to birth and death, not a lack cellestial experiences. All the techniques in the universe will not help unless your desire for fulfillment has changed from that which is outside to that which is inside. Transcend to be aware of the difference between 'this' and 'that' and then surrender. God will not deny you access because you don't have a degree. I think. Rick Carlstrom Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ayurvedic Daily food intake
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, HENRY ALZAMORA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THANKS for your all inclusive, good oriented, detailed and kind help, helpful people like you are needed in this group and the world. Hari Om Henry rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is like some cracker walking into the bodycount. - Original Message - From: HENRY ALZAMORA To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Ayurvedic Daily food intake Henry, you just recieved a rudra joe tattoo. Don't worry, it helps to strengthen your immune system. If your lucky maybe you'll get an easyone200 inocculation, those are good for ten years. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahman, Turiya and Awakening
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 29, 2005, at 12:26 PM, crukstrom wrote: I think. Yeah, I see ;-) Well, I guess that makes you a seer. :=] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A while back, Akasha and I kicked around the topic of whether people who have deceived themselves into believing bullshit are actually liars, or if their belief in their position changes the case. Well, yesterday the Boston Globe ran a profile of evolutionary biologist Robert Trivers, whose work addresses self-deception from the point of view of its value in propagating genes. So I thought this post might interest Akasha and L B and maybe a few others. A sidebar worded the thesis this way: Whether it's convincing a predator that you're a leaf or fooling another bird into raising your young, deceit is an evolutionary strategy with a long and innovative history. But as evolution selects for better and better cheaters, it should also select for better and better cheating detectors. For example, Trivers argues, humans might have evolved to detect the sort of nervous tics that betray a lie. But there's a counter-strategy: self-deception. If we don't know we're lying, then we won't act like we're lying, and are more likely to get away with it. More, from the article: The book on deceit and self-deception that he's now starting grows out of a brief but widely cited passage from his introduction to Dawkins's ''The Selfish Gene.'' If deceit, he wrote, ''is fundamental to animal communication, then there must be strong selection to spot deception and this ought, in turn, to select for a degree of self-deception, rendering some facts and motives unconscious so as not to betray- by the subtle signs of self-knowledge-the deception being practiced.'' Well then, this hypothesis may be an explanation of the George W. Bush phenomena. Rick Carlstrom Thus, the idea that the brain evolved to produce ''ever more accurate images of the world must be a very naive view of mental evolution.'' We've evolved, in other words, to delude ourselves so as better to fool others-all in the service of the great game of propagating our genes. Trivers speaks: ''It's a critical topic. How many pretenders to the throne have there been? Marx had a theory of self-deception, Freud thought he had the topic knocked. So there've been a lot of major-domos in there. None of that [expletive] survived the test of time, so it's a huge opportunity.'' The full article is The evolutionary revolutionary: In the 1970s, Robert Trivers wrote a series of papers that transformed evolutionary biology. Then he all but disappeared. Now he's backand ready to rumble. By Drake Bennett | March 27, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/457kj - Patrick Gillam To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Deceiving ourselves
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) Well then, this hypothesis may be an explanation of the George W. Bush phenomena. Rick Carlstrom (for any of you teachers out there, yes it should be phenomenon) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: THE PRICE OF TM.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Akasha 108 writes: Rick initiated Peter, who proclaims jivanmukti has arrived. Does Rick gain GREAT merit for that? But Rick also initiated Haiglin, hmmm, mixed bag of karma for that ? Tom T: He also gave me my intro and got me addicted. So, can we all say. It's all his fault Tom makes outlandish claims. Tom Rick Archer: Evil moderator and innocent gateway to higher and higher levels of enlightenment. Dammit! This guy is hard to pigeonhole. RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: In or out redux
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rgjcm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little knowledge, as they say, is dangerous, so is little informationironic Q. Many ladies who want to teach are hoping they will not be leftout. A. Ladies will also teach full-time. We will have Peace Palaces forladies. In the same way for men and for ladies. Q. The ladies wanted to know if they would also be able to undergo some form of training like Raja Training. A. They will have equal kind of training. We will design a good name for them. Not Rajas but something like that. Here's an idea for a name that the ladies can have. Women. RAC To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Practical effects of enlightenment
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T wrote: One night Walter Day asked all those who are Awake if they go to the Dome. The answer was none do. He thought we would be so much more powerful if we did. The consensus answer was. We are the Dome. Everything we do is the Dome. We don't need to go somewhere to be that which we are 24/7. But you do need to go somewhere --satsang -- to share that experience. And the suggestion to go to the dome wasn't meant as a means to ramp up your own experience. It's meant as a means to share your experience more broadly with others. - Patrick Gillam I agree, it seems that the real purpose of gathering in the dome is to be a service for humankind. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tom Delay and Teri Shaivo
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, easyone200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a hypothetical question for tom delayhow would he vote if stem cell research would not only save but restore terry schiavo? Diabolical! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote: And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue became completely unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more and more evident that he doesn't really realise that much. The only evidence I ever heard of MMY, which seemed to verify that he was in CC, was John Gray's testimony that he would dictate to MMY while his body was asleep and snoring. This would seem to verify the classical description of CC. In this sense, CC, is very verifiable (e.g. the Menninger Institute). That would be pretty convincing. Why? The mind stops working in sleep. Consciousness and the mind are to separate things entirely. -Peter That's right. When the body goes to sleep the body mind stops working, but when awareness of or as being is not overshadowed by identification as the body, then, when the body sleeps...awareness continues. For those who may ask what it is that is aware, just substitute knowing for awareness and Being for 'it'. Being knows. When the body awakes then thinking with the body mind can continue. If people think that pure consciousness has anything to do with awareness of specific objects,they are completely wrong. To think that witnessing of sleep means that you have consciousness, through the gross senses, of what is occuring around the body when you sleep means you don't understand sleep and witnessing. -Peter Didn't say that one has consciousness through the gross senses while asleep. I said that when awareness as or of Being is not overshadowed by identification with the body, then when the body sleeps, awareness continues. I did not say that in sleep the personality is saying hey!, look at this I'm sleeping and I am aware of it. I said awareness continues. Isn't the progression or evolution or growth of the body bound experience of awareness the expansion of this awareness? If everything is Being, if everything truly is just a manifestation of Being then the individual is also Being. So individual growth of awareness is Being waking up to it's true nature. In the beginning Being expressed as an individual is aware only 'as' an individual, awareness expanding becomes aware 'of' Being and this awareness of Being progresses until ultimately individual Being is only aware as Being and the return to wholeness is complete. P. 151 MMY Gita Commentary The word 'when' is very important. It indicates that one is said to be of 'steady intellect' only when one has gained transcendental consciousness, the state of separation from activity; or when one has gained cosmic consciousness, the state where one naturally maintains Self-consciousness even together with consciousness of the waking, dreaming or sleeping states, and where the Self, or Being, remains unshadowed by any experience whatsoever. So I say that if ones most simple awareness, that I would say is present in everyone reading this, seems to be turned off throughout the period when the body is asleep, then the ability to maintain Self-consciousness or Being has been overshadowed by the body sleeping. It wasn't continuous through waking, dreaming or sleeping states. Is Being not omnipresent? Isn't waking up, the process of never losing awareness of Being until absolutely nothing can overshadow Self? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fresh comments below: Tom Traynor wrote: [Brahman consciousness] is not an experience, it is an understanding that needs no Master. The understanding is complete in an of itself. No Master needed as the knowledge in the understanding is complete in and of itself. Absolute self-verification which is the hallmark of this understanding, as it is beyond experience. Patrick Gilliam Writes: Tom, I understood the awakening you describe to be disorienting, necessitating a mahavakya or confirmation from a master. Are you saying (a) Brahman never requires a master's confirmation, (b) Brahmin only requires a master's confirmation sometimes, or (c) some other thing? Tom T again: Hanging around awake people seems to help get the understanding cooking but bottom line they will get it by themselves anyway. One lady in our group described it as follows: I was infinite mind and I was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was never going to understand what had happened in a million years. That is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing has changed and yet everything has changed. It is a one degree shift but it is now an understanding from the vantage point of Self understanding Self and little self is still where it has always been wondering What Happened?. Having a Master around is going to help this understanding flower easier but I don't view it as absolutely essential. On the other hand for some that may be the only way it is going to happen. There are no hard rules in a world of 6 billion possibilities. Go find some awake people and hang out with them and see what happens. Tom Now if we only had some way of determining, while not awake to/in Brahmin consciousness, whether another is awake to/in Brahmin consciousness. So many people on this list at one time thought MMY was awake and now they see him as a crook and a swindler. It's all so hilarious, isn't it? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: in or out
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Westerners who convert to Hinduism are automatically of Brahmin caste, whereas Hindus cannot convert to Hinduism and therefore are barred from Vedic punditry. You are born into a caste not because of your family but because of what you are, inside at a fundamental level. Your caste changes as your awareness changes. God and your Self know exactly who you are and put you exactly where you should be. The present day caste system is a distorted and feeble shadow of how it operates in a pure form. In a society operating as a pure caste system people are born into a field of Dharma that perfectly fits and supports their needs for growth into greater awareness. Dharma over ego is the real caste system. Rick Carlstrom If being of pure caste means anything then we Americans are one step removed whereas the flesh named Sri Maharishi Bala Bramachari Mahesh Yogi Maharaj OM, is a vaisya or worker bee. That's why he was GD's secretary and not his peer. One wonders how the photos of MMY and GD came to be. Who took them and why? And how did MMY get them? Sure he prolly orchestrated them himself, see cousin Varma how cool I look? People think it's MMY who has the juice behind the mantras but I keep maintaining that it's Mahaparashakti Herowndivineself. - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: in or out On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:38 AM, Paul Mason wrote: I don't see MMY as a 'master' in a 'holy tradition'. And he's not; only brahmins may apply ;-) He's just a gatekeeper. Has MMY ever *claimed* to be enlightened? Virtually all of his descriptions are textual. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT --- --- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:52 PM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: I was infinite mind and I was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was never going to understand what had happened in a million years. That is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing has changed and yet everything has changed. Perfect description of turiyatita/CC ! When do they become one? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Mason wrote: And then, as the years passed, MMY's tongue became completely unbridled. Which is why it is becoming more and more evident that he doesn't really realise that much. The only evidence I ever heard of MMY, which seemed to verify that he was in CC, was John Gray's testimony that he would dictate to MMY while his body was asleep and snoring. This would seem to verify the classical description of CC. In this sense, CC, is very verifiable (e.g. the Menninger Institute). That would be pretty convincing. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there asking 'And you are an authority?' To determine whether the emperor was wearing clothes or not, the kid only needed the sense of sight provided by eyes. To determine MMY's state of awareness one needs to be able to see into his consciousness. Can you do that? Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Much more comments below: Tom T I was infinite mind and I was looking at my finite mind and I knew that my finite mind was never going to understand what had happened in a million years. That is the paradox that is the hallmark of this understanding. Nothing has changed and yet everything has changed. Vaj Perfect description of turiyatita/CC ! crukstrom wrote: When do they become one? Vaj: In the Vedantic model, in Brahmi chetana. Tom T: It appears we have a slight communication problem so I will try and make myself clearer. In my comment above when the lady commented on her experience of Infinite Mind, she never said she witnessed that she was Infinite mind. To my understanding witnessing is the primary means of knowing one is in CC. One witnesses all things happening from an undisturbed state. She did not say she witnessed, she said quite clearly and maybe I didn't make it clear that she knew she was infinite mind. Knowing is not witnessing. Knowing is having them one in her understanding which seems to fulfill your definition of Brahman above. She was Infinite mind in which finite mind also existed as part of her wholeness both being available and both making up the entire wholeness she is. The understanding this experience is wholeness is a major criteria of the reality of Brahman. Inside this wholeness resides all creation. Tom T This is a good distinction. Knowing is different than thinking. Minds think, something else knows. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Brahma Sutras, Sankara, Brahman -- a Vaishnava View
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) It is almost a meaningless question since what is the they when no individuality is there. So they refers to some faint remains of lashavidya, some collection of desireless abilities, that either by choice -- whatever that means at that stage, or assignment (another not well fitting concept), the VM takes rebirth. Or Not. Clarifications? Read Thinking and Destiny by Harold Waldwin Percival it goes into detail about all these things in a very clear manner that is not cloaked in the garb of mysticism. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Sense perception (was Re: soma New Vedic
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, crukstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the kid observed that king had no clothes on, were you there asking 'And you are an authority?' To determine whether the emperor was wearing clothes or not, the kid only needed the sense of sight provided by eyes. To determine MMY's state of awareness one needs to be able to see into his consciousness. Can you do that? Rick Carlstrom My experience shows me the bij mantras seem to bring light! Expressing my opinion about MMY doesn't diminish the light I find inside. Well that's brilliant but it doesn't explain how it is that you know what Maharishi is thinking. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The relative is the clearest mirror of truth
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So the relative is the clearest mirror of truth. Truth hits one right between the eyes pretty much constantly. While poverty and suffering occurs on Earth there cannot be Heaven. The small and weak must be pulled into the heavenly by sheer force and not asked. What about personal will you ask? I am talking about empowering people presently and for the future where when heaven comes it will come with spaceships and light travel and exotic merriments that last for lifetimes from planets named things like Planet Deadwood, or the happy small ocean world, Planet Gallagher where the water has an extra oxygen covalence and energy is free. People would have forceably taken from a small ignorant planet in the middle of nowhere, and made Earth instead the center of the galaxy and myth of all time stature. Then heavenly people would visit and think of earth as the birthright and birthplace of heaven. Yes, in this fantasy heaven is a place right here on earth. The Shulgen thing said that exponentially hallucinogens will increase, and so one would expect some better ones, as if. Maybe they'll be a fragrant chysanthemum liquer from a sweet pollen from planet Maharishi where the vedas play to pink bees which burst from contact with the flowers and leave behind complex polysaccharide dust. But not while people on Earth are suffering. That has to stop for heaven. Or in my eyes your in a fantasy world. You trippin' homey. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I would like to try an experiment in compassion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I come off as a loose cannon. I have been trying to give up drugs for a long time. I could use your help in the form of prayers. I can't really be the person I want to be until I stop but it's really really hard for me to give up smoking, and pot, and booze. So could you people place me in your prayers for giving up drugs and gaining more self control? I would really appreciate whatever help I might get. I dedicate all such efforts to the liberation of all beings. I have been thinking about what you posted earlier, explaning some very intimate details about your inner landscape and how alkaloids make you feel better. Self medication, yes, why not, perhaps you do have a volatile bio-chemical soup simmering in your brain that is somewhat relieved by introducing another chemical into the mix. I know what that is like, even a cup of coffee is an attempt to self medicate. In the words of Brian Wilson, sometimes we just want to turn it down a little (or up). You come off as real, unmoderated and alive, that is always appreciated. Sometimes the drug thing can lull one into the comfortable feeling that they have finally arrived somewhere and then just stay there. Never want to see you stagnate, your one of my hero's. Yesterday while doing my program I quietly mentioned your name, I'll do it again, for you, for me and for anyone else who is making an effort. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: I would like to try an experiment in compassion
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My lungs can't put up with these Kool Milds forever. Years ago, I could not quit smoking Marlboro reds. On the advice of a friend, I switched to an additive free brand (American Spirit, etc.) for a few weeks and then quit cold turkey. I was only miserable for a day and a half. I suggest you free yourself from the addictiveness enhancing additives first. Then, quit tobacco. Alex I smoked for twenty years and tried to quit for 15 of them. Finally when I was around 40 I decided that I did not want to wake up 50 years old and addicted to cigarettes, so I stopped smoking. After a day I felt nothing, no withdrawal, no real craving, I was astounded and felt like I had been duped all those years into believing that it was extremely difficult. I finally realized that the problem had been that every time I had tried to stop smoking I had'nt also quit smoking, so I was just supressing a desire and a desire supressed is a desire that is still alive and kicking. You are not able to quit because you don't want to, when you want to it's not all that hard. Rick Carlstrom To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
