[FairfieldLife] Chirac and his 'tude (was Re: uk aims for paradise)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, Britain's reputation for bad food is well deserved. The only truly excellent food I ever had in London was Indian food and a meal at the very upscale Connaught Hotel. Whereas, in France, outstanding cuisine can be had at the most modest of restaurants. Alex Eh, fish and chips from the wagon on a cold winter day is tasty, but otherwise I agree. I'm wondering when you went to England if these are the only places you visited - a bit like some Americans on an international course a few years ago who asked do they have orange juice in Europe? or another who would only visit Macdonalds as they travelled round Europe as they were so afraid of different foods. England leads the way in organic food and restaurants, and is immensely creative in assimilating international food as well as coming back to their own style (just watch people like Rick Stein). Travelling round England is a delight in the food offered - if you bother to actually do this, and don't just end up in the above places. And for fish and chips - just try wonderful places along the Suffolk coast. From comparing France and England, I would say England leads the way now. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Welcome to the Spraing List
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I'm shallow only to those who don't read between the lines... I second that. Lawson's gnomic utterances are often more profound than they may appear at first glance. For example, his comment above, if you think about it for a moment, is really a koan. -Reading between the lines sort of falls flat after a syllable? I agree with Llundrub - there are many intelligent people on this forum who reflect on topics rather than just responding (I like his image of someone with toast in one hand). I have enjoyed reading these reflective posts, and hearing the different voices - but this one just feels like a contemptuous scatter gun. Is there any way of blocking it? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Past Life Stuff...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is interesting to note, that many people who are attracted to spiritual power in this lifetime, were in recent past life- times associated with power/structure groups. Superior(a pun)among them in the recent past was of course Nazi Germany. This would explain why people with such recent memories of past quest's for power, would be especially sensitive to same types of feelings and archetypes in the present. This would include the tactics of the Bush administration, as well as other organizational themes... So, when you see people concerned with power, and the abuse of power, and propaganda, and glorification of sheep/like obediance, and so on.. one way to explain strong reactions and knowledge of these areas... That's interesting - I've wondered about that too. Not just about Nazis though - I think it's a perennial theme. If you hold Love at the 12 o'clock position (in highest awareness) then its opposite, Power, will be at the 6 o'clock position (in the unconscious half of awareness). Whilst unconscious it will knock around causing trouble, until brought into consciousness and integrated. That's why in voluntary organisations/charities/educationsl/spiritual settings you so often get tremendous power battles - because Love (doing good, the wellbeing of others etc) - is at the top. You see more bad behaviour of people towards each other than you do in organisations where power is recognised and dealt with. Think of people who have gone into spiritual settings in order to just focus on that one aspect in their lives - and met power problems there (for instance an overbearing Mother Superior). It seems we can't get away from it. One example - Tony Blair sets himself up as an honest kind of guy (whilst you cringe at the mad 12th C crusader gleam in his eye) - and then gets hit by a conman scandal. Jung said: it is not our business to create figures of light, but to make the darkness conscious. The latter however is more difficult, and therefore not popular. I think people will always try and move towards being figures of light - with resulting dangers of inflation and all manner of things. The Roman emperors used to have someone at their side reminding them that they were only human. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: UK TMO, was: Moron Bush beat..... (was 'Moron' Bush Beat Kerry at ...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, uns_tressor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/11/05 6:21 PM, uns_tressor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The legendary John Harvey Jones came on to the scene a few years ago. GC should have seen his role as sitting at the feet of JHJ, ensuring that the purity of the teaching never got prejudiced. We were never told why JHJ left. This guy?: http://www.speakers.co.uk/Retro/5118.htm ...Yes, that's him. Sir John, of course. I forgot. He was taught TM, and was very pleased with it. He had a couple of series on the BBC (prime time) in which he took a decaying or untogether company and tried to turn it around.Not all prjects worked. He did Morgan Cars: http://www.morgan-motor.co.uk/index_frames.html *** Available from all good outlets *** Many people were bowled over by his arrival, and many centre volunteers would have stopped everything and run a mile in four minutes for such leadership. Someone asked what happened and we were told that there may have been some sort of a problem between him and Geoffrey. Apart from the vital task of ensuring the purity of the teaching, I would have thought that GC's task would have been to look, listen and inwards digest. A wasted opportunity. Uns. I saw John H-J speak once, and what I liked was that he was very natural and unpretentious - he said he had more respect for a hard- working owner of the local garage and their working at their small business than he did for most captains of industry - which I think shows that he was not blinded by charisma and image. How far that fits in with the TMO is anyone's guess. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Remembering Past Lives, was: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/6/05 2:55 AM, eloigne24 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is it that you remember so many lives so clearly? Just pieces - themes - things that are important for now's awareness in order to tie things together. I didn't ask for it - happened after taste of utopia course, and often I think Oh bother, here comes another one. I don't think it is necessary to have these memories as the themes are in this life anyway - but I suppose being asked to do a major task of reconcilitiation. I also think it is problematic to seek out memories as people can get caught up in those rather than dealing with the hear and now. But it can be wonderful to know that whatever the pain from the past, it can be healed. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 6/5/05 12:54 PM, jim_flanegin at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too often though there seems to be the implied, 'hey if you sleep with me, that ol' evolution meter of yours will advance several degrees...guaranteed...'. Perhaps this is what the student thinks on their own, or this idea manifests itself as a result of the culture around the teacher, or it is stated explicitly by the teacher. If the relationship is teacher to student I feel it is almost always abusive because of this imbalance of power. Power is one of the greatest tests in life - and if one has power the test is how to use it responsibly and with awareness. Like all gifts - for instance having a lot of money I don't think is a sign of being evolved (as the TMO seem to indicate) but a test - how are you going to use it? I've had a life where I had a lot of money, and gave it all away because ashamed of the profligacy of my family, then went into a monastery - in this life I've experienced insecurity because I deprived some members of my family of their inherited security. In another life I starved to death. It's all part of the pattern - and about what choices you make around what you have. A very beautiful woman has to learn about the power she has - does she seduce men or use that power wisely? But the position of teacher always has that element of possible seduction - the question is always - is the recipient in a place of choice? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - now different? (was Celibacy - the Truth!)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: She is at the present moment living in our house and her own answer to the question is: It is an exchange between souls of who is in command of the body. According to her it happens in agreement with the original soul that has owned the body. The take-over happens for the walk-in soul to accomplish a mission for the ascension of humanity. My friend can also nowadays experience short-lived walk-in takeovers. She says she has had many kinds of them. Irmeli -Detached retinas lead to blindness. The key I think is - it happens in agreement with - is this really the case? Nobody has the right to take over another's body, their sacred space - but if the person has consciously and in full choice said that this can happen that is another matter. It would mean a very high degree of integration and ego strength however, and if the person's personality is changing and disintegrating with this process then I doubt if that is the case. They are giving away their power. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth!
I did not get any impression of smugness from the first post - just sharing of a good experience with MMY. As I said before, I think that it is important to touch into your own path - but it is unique to the individual. It is wonderful to hear of progression along a path, whatever it may be. Surely that it what spirituality is about - and I certainly stopped being so involved with TM because of suggestions that meditators etc were somehow better than others. I have met so many people who had experiences of all kinds - including a friend whose spiritual development was prompted by the suicide of her only son (and she was unmarried). Who knows what nature is going to bring us for learning? And polarities do tend to be forced into balance by nature (Jung called it enantiodromia - you go too far into one pole, you get swung back into the other). It is a shame that this person feels that his experience led to such attack that he has to withdraw - my daughter said today after going on a music debate website it's interesting how American men seem to go on these websites to attack each other. I'm sure it's not an American thing necessarily - we can do it just as much (if not more) in Europe - but it did ring a bell in me after reading these posts. A totally different matter in this thread is a Guru having sex with a disciple. That is abuse, pure and simple, because there is an imbalance of power. Haven't a clue whether or not MMY did or did not - if he did then maybe it's because if we've got a body we've also got a personality, which has relative aspects. You can't live wholly in the absolute, and anyone who's had experiences of deep soul relationships with another has probably noticed how it's the personality that trips it up. Because it's through that that we learn in this life. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guybanner2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Celibacy was neccessary for me to break my prior addiction; I was like an alcoholic who could not just have one drink, since one drink would trigger back the addiction. So, it had to be all or none, and I had to choose none, and I was fortunate that MMY was available to grant me that wish. I never meant to imply that others should be celibate. And, I have never suggested to anyone that they should be celibate To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know the Adam and Eve myth? Where they ate of the tree of knowledge and were banished from the Garden. Most myths go pretty far back and have at their core a clear and unadulterated meaning. What is this one realy about? Rick Carlstrom ---Depends who you ask. My favorite esoteric interpolation is from the Golden Dawn, which uses the Fall, and the Revelation as counterpoints. I think it's about the split of Unity into Duality - which started consciousness, so that we can become conscious of ourselves and self- referral(knower, known and object and knowing). In terms of our consciousness, the original spark split into 2 so that the 2 parts, masculine and feminine, can become whole in themselves through their journey through their lives, until they can join together in consciousness (T.S. Eliot and the end of all our exploring is to arrive where we started, and know the place for the first time) If they are not whole in themselves they would be too absorbed in each other and not develop. Good book on this - M A Jacoby The Longing for Paradise To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: MMY - Celibacy - the Truth!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guybanner2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I appreciate receiving the references to Muktananda quotes. It exactly explains the grace I received. I thought your description of receiving transformation in this way from MMY was beautiful - thank you. My experience has been somewhat different. I have spent many lives in spiritual settings, and one in particular in a setting like an anchorite. My learning this time was to balance matter and spirit and not separate the two - so I had to learn to be very grounded, and to have a spiritual path alongside the challenges of the relative. My learning has also been about different kinds of relationships - and the different aspects of sexual experience. This learning was actually triggered off by the Taste of Utopia course in 1984 - I was plunged into past lives and challenged by this particular learning. It has been a fascinating path, and I'm still learning. So my view is that evolution is a spiral, and that we have to go through many different experiences, to take those back as ambassadors for the total soul's learning - each life will contribute to that wholeness. So no one aspect is more evolved than the other. I do not view my life as a celibate anchorite as any more evolved as the life I live now where I am fully in the relative - but meditating alongside, viewing life through a lens of learning and gathering experience, and using the experiences I have not to judge other aspects but to open up to the whole. I value them all - and for me my particular challenge for balancing in this life was to try and integrate the two as I had been so far along one polarity before. It is about finding your own path, and what your soul requires for your learning this time around. Also lives can have different emphases - and some lives have a key element where you are asked to do a major task of integration. It looks as if Guy has really touched into the importance of this life for him, and honoured it - and it looks as if MMY recognised that and helped him to achieve that. Otherwise I don't think he would have helped in the way he did - he possibly recognised what Guy's soul was asking for, the blueprint of the seed he carried this time which needed to be unfolded. That to me is the greatest evolutionary aspect - not purely whether one is celibate or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: GEORGE GALLOWAY ROCKS ! ! !
He behaviour earned him the nickname of the member for Bhagdad Central. U. This name was devised by people in the Labour party who objected to the way he challenged current thinking, particularly about the horrendous effect on Iraqui civilians of the sanctions - and the continuous bombing of Iraq after the Gulf war. He wanted to dialogue with the devil rather than project all badness onto him. People who have actually researched his record of continuous objection to the Iraqui regime have concluded this is true - rather than selling arms one minute and bombing them the next. Like all humans, Galloway is fallible, but he has a consistency and insight that is lacking in so many politicians. Read: Sunday Times May 22nd Focus: Zero to Hero. They got away from the silly epithets and tried to find out the truth. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Help
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you guys view the topic of help? Do you think MMY and the Movement are trying to help (even if - as I get some of you feel - in a delusional or ineffectual manner)? Is help part of your personal program or on your agenda? It seems like a lot of posts are trying to clarify things where others are more derisive. Yet, is everyone's intent still to help someone with their POV? Thanks for any responses. Jeff F. I don't know if this is helpful - but a comment made to someone in this situation, because every time we meditate we are thankful for the experience, and for all the experiences we have had in the past - Maharishi has given us something incredibly precious - although inevitably like all change it will involve to some extent some grief and loss, but also hopefully celebration of what it has always held at its heart and what it has given to your heartfulness. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
