[FairfieldLife] Re: Another woman comes forward
Thanks for kind words. (Patrick?) My story will be published some day. I'm still withholding the manuscript. No courage to use real name -- finally realized the fear was only a phantasm. There is nothing to fear if one is secure in oneself and life. No need to fear one's own identity, thoughts and past, is there? Took a long time. The "anonymous" woman, who has been harboring her angst for decades, deserves support and validation. The light of her voice begins to peek through cracks in her defense wall. More and more will come through soon, and she will shine more brightly than ever! Freedom is luscious, once one passes the quaking in-the-boots anxiety stage. Thanks, again, Rick! Gina Catena --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jpgillam" wrote: > > Sorry to see you go, Gina. It would > have been good to hear your story. > > P.S. Thanks, also, for signing your name. > Got to give you courage points for simply > doing that. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another woman comes forward
AMEN! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > But if we aren't willing to endure the discomfort, we > miss the most valuable lesson in this situation. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another woman comes forward
Yes, I too know far too many ugly stories. My own included, and those of many others. Some driven to drugs and mental illness as they wrestled with their abuse, seeking healing through over-meditating/dissociative denial. Not good. Let the truth flow. Let true healing begin. Appropriate therapy, if necessary. Find who are the true loved ones. They may not be who you think they are. It is painful to wake up. But eventually the wholeness of self integration brings much greater joy. And may the dead rest in peace, regardless of how they lived and passed away. We can move on. We can be whole. We can support one another, and we are adults (not children), we are victors, not victims. But all must first look the Pied Piper and followers squarely for what the tune is or was. Then acknowledge the mud that surrounds us. Only then can one step out of the mud, wash it off by looking at it, not by dissociating it away to mystically unstress. Sorry for being so blunt. I'll return to my real life now, away from FFL. Great appreciation and admiration for those who've spoken up, who've questioned, and sought outside resources, "This above all: to thine own self be true, And it must follow, as the night the day, Thou canst not then be false to any man." William Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act I, sc. iii Gina :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > Yes. Wise thoughts Tartbrain. This isn't a time for all of the throwing of > spaghetti against the wall. > > I fully admit that I know some of these women and I know these things to be > true. Please peoplehave some respect for the truth. And have some > compassion for the damage done, for the courage that is being shown, and for > the real possibility of healing > > Thank you. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: Another woman comes forward
Thank you, Joegeezerfreak, "another woman" and all those loved ones in FF and elsewhere, Holding secrets of betrayal and violation for so long is stifling to the soul. Why did these women, both Judith and the "other anonymous" feel so afraid to speak of their experience for decades? Because they feared retribution, isolation, and rejection from loved ones. Such fear and repression of free speech and open dialogue are common manifestations within a destructive cult. Mediation has benefits, no doubt. However, there is no need for high costs, secret ceremonies, guilt trips about absence from group programs, neglect of children, in the name of spirituality. In my opinion, MMY was a skilled charming and brilliant manipulative PIed Piper. Many folks, my family included, willingly followed his tune of perfect peace and harmony. Dancing together for a deemed divine mission felt great for awhile. To my loved ones still in TM mindset, and those out : there is no Santa Claus. There is no perfect guru. There is no perfect path, nor one answer to achieve world peace, perfect health, enlightenment and business success. darn it! May others feel increasingly safe to come forth with their multidimensional stories. May those who were injured - sexually, through psychosis, loss of a loved one to suicide, bankruptcies, untreated cancers, broken families, be loving received by the community which so many love. Blame-the-victim for speaking their unpleasant stories is typical behavior of a destructive cult. >From the very beginning, MMY taught us to keep the mantra secret "for your own >benefit" - thus began mind control and normalization of secrets for mystical >protection. My loved ones in FF and the TM Movement: you are better than such behavior! You are capable of compassion, you are intelligent and caring. For that reason, I continue to love my dear community of old. "The truth shall set you free" - even though it may initially bring some discomfort. Thanks Rick for keeping this forum open. I rarely visit here, but was encouraged in relation to Judith and "the other woman" Jai to free speech, open and supportive dialogue, and recovery to all, Gina Catena --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" wrote: > > Wow. There is so much heartfelt feeling in her letter...it's truly > heartbreaking. > > Those who have been so quick to condemn Judiththink about it. Think about > it carefully and honestly. Despite all the attempts at mud slinging, all that > anyone has been able to come up with is: > > 1. Judith and Conny Larson knew each other. Yes, correct, Conny was one of > MMY's personal assistants at the time her affair with MMY started and on > through through the Seelisberg beginnings. > > 2. Judith has continued on with the spiritual path of her choosing. (Shame on > those who condemn her for this. Think about it. You, who call butt bouncing > "flying" condemn her for being "off" your program. > > 3. Judith and Conny reconnected 30 years (or so) later. Makes sense to me and > this is covered in her book. They both live in Sweden and they both teach > meditation. They would hear about each other. When Judith came to read of > Conny's abuse at the hands of Sai Baba, she realized they had something in > common in addition to the shared time with MMY. > > Whoever wrote this new message, has clearly been moved by Judith's story. > Please, let's honor this person's courage and honesty in coming forward. The > TMO is not an organization that is , shall we say, "friendly" with those who > have even the slightest degree of criticism. For her to come forward, even in > this way, took a lot of courage. > > You know that age old expression: the truth shall set you free. Let's give > the truth a chance to enlighten people to certain realities of the man we all > followed. > > No one is saying MMY did not have value. No one is saying he didn't bring a > wonderful thing to the world. > > But I believe it is important to understand that he was a man,a flawed > man like all men. I would assume that most here would like to know the truth. > Please allow these people the respect they deserve to allow them to come > forward if they wish and say what they want to say.it will help their own > healing and it will help a TMO much in need of its own healing. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > > > Anonymously: > > > > > > > > Dear Rick > > > > > > > > Of course please keep my name and position private. > > > > > > > > I have been reading, almost obsessively-compulsively, the sequential > > > > discussions re: Judith's book on FFL. At first it was with a sigh of > > > > relief, that one lady had opened up, and was so well received. Now the dirt > > > > is rolling in--people doing their best to cast doubt on her experiences, to > > > > besmirch her integrity, to ridicule what she has to say just so they w
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
OKay, a quickie reponse, then I'm done. Just to explain the situation, as I saw it, for those interested. I attended alone. There was NOT a planned outcry/battle against this, to my knowledge. In fact, no "debate" nor conversation" was tolerated. The high school made an announcement - I saw it in the paper. An "informal informational" meeting was being held about this new program funded by the DL foundation- with open invitation to interested parties. Since my kids graduated from the school, I was curious. The "informal" meeting was a slick roll out of a program. Seven well educated speakers came up to present benefits of TM-the-technique with extensive computer overheads by power point and video. They spoke w the standard smooth reassuring monotone. A few mintues were allowed for questions. One person asked about the puja or mantras. The MSAE headmaster at the podium dodged the question "We have a proven method of instruction that is identical and personalized for each individual." The TLHS principal became uncomfortable with a few questions, she said there was nor more time for questions. I had a few questions also, was not allowed to ask. When it became clear that we were not allowed to ask anything, Susan C calmly walked onto the stage, past the principal and MSAE headmaster. She stood center stage and said "I am a former TM teacher" blah blah.. She said maybe two sentences. (I didn't know she lived here.) The principal called for security to remove her from the stage and the lights were dimmed. Someone else (a man I know w/o religious nor TM affiliation) yelled "Allow her to talk!" I tried to hush him. Another father yelled "We didn't come to hear her. We came to hear them!" pointing to the TMO folks. Then he added "You don't have kids here anyway! What do you care?!" My friend said "Yeah! Well they (pointing to the TMO folks) don't have kids here either!" (oi!) Meeting ended. Some folks gathered to talk near the stage. Reporter was taking photos. I walked away and talked to a few folks in the back of the auditorium. There was no screaming and flailing of arms in protest of a normal debate at the high school. There was no normal debate nor civil question-and-answer allowed. It was like watching the two halves of my heart doing battle (my upbringing and loved ones in TMO vs my local community) Some parents were concerned about TMO's hidden agenda, as they had prior exposure to TMO decades ago. Newspaper article came out about someone storming the stage. A few days later I wrote my "letter" (as posted here). It was cc'd around. 48hrs later the DL foundation withdrew the grant. I don't know about right wing Christian legal threats (there might have been, or not, I do not know) The parents that I know were concerned about potential TMO hidden agenda. To my knowledge, no one spoke of religious conflict. IMHO, if a religious program claimed to be a religious program (e.g. a prayer group) then fine. The TMOs hidden agenda was the concern. We were all surprised about the press' spin of "religious minority". I don't know what religious affiliation, if any, other parents have. Perhaps a right wing group was invovled behind the scenes. Perhaps not. Again, I don't know. Just wanted to inform my hometown-of-sorts. Otherwise, I have more pressing issues in my life. That's all folks. Best to all! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool wrote: > > > > Same thing here. This quote was designed to make > it look as if the Lynch grant was the victim of > a "hit" when in fact it was the victim only of > the TM movement's own history being revealed. > This quote was designed to appeal to *TMers*, > and to make them feel persecuted. Fascinating > how many people here on this group fell for it. > > Also, I think it's important to look at the > *response* from the Lynch Foundation. When con- > fronted, they cut and run. An indicator to me > that the only way they'll *ever* get a program > like this accepted is to do it quietly and behind > closed doors, so that no one can tell the "buyers" > what it is that they're buying and who it is > they're buying from. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.c
[FairfieldLife] Re: Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
I did not speak at the presentation at my kids's high school. Someone else unexpectedly walked onto the stage. I merely listened. I provided a letter to the school board expaining my understanding of the TMO, which is more indepth than that presented by the DL foundation reps. Nothing more. Nothing less. Other folks were very active against TM in the school. I merely provided information, and my personal opinion. My concern was full disclosure. I did not become active. Nor do I intend to do so. Have declined interviews on the issue. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Areyou aware that gimari03 is the specific person who was shouting down intelligent > debate, etc? > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Press Release - Lynch Foundation withdrew grant to High School
To the TL Community October 18, 2006 The following is a news release from the District Office that announces the withdrawal by the David Lynch Foundation of their $175,000 grant to fund the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique on a voluntary basis to up to 25 staff members and 250 students. As a result of the withdrawal we must cancel plans for the teaching of the meditation program. NEWS For release: October 17, 2006Contact: Leah Reich Terra Linda High announces withdrawal of David Lynch Foundation grant SAN RAFAEL, CA, October 17, 2006 Terra Linda High School Principal Carole Ramsey announced today that the David Lynch Foundation has withdrawn its offer of a $175,000 grant to fund the teaching of the Transcendental Meditation technique on a voluntary basis to up to 25 staff members and 250 students. "The intent of our offer has always been to reduce the level of stress among students and staffwhich has been our experience with this program in schools all over the country," said Bob Roth, vice president of the David Lynch Foundation. "We are disappointed to encounter such misunderstandings from a tiny but vocal religious minority. Given the situation, we feel it is best to direct our support to other deserving schools." In making the announcement to staff and via the OneTL website, Principal Ramsey said, "It is unfortunate that a few individuals have created an environment that has led to the withdrawal of this grant. Nevertheless, the school will encourage students who remain interested in meditation to investigate alternative programs. High stress continues to be a concern for high school students and the school supports a variety of efforts to reduce it, both inside and outside the classroom." # # # The San Rafael City Schools includes the San Rafael Elementary School District and the San Rafael High School District that serve more than 5,500 students in the community of San Rafael. The vision of the San Rafael City Schools is to offer an education program of unparalleled excellence, built on challenging content, high performance standards and a renaissance of reforms. I want to thank David Garcia and all of the staff and students who have participated in trying to put this program together. While we are disappointed this program didn't work out, because of the high interest we will encourage students to investigate other programs. We will be providing guidance as to what type of programs would fit within the structure of a school club and what activities would have to be outside of the school day. High stress continues to be a concern for high school students and the school will continue to pursue activities and programs to reduce it, both inside and outside the classroom. Carole Ramsey To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum
IMHO, the alleged exploits of our fearless leader (or former leader) are irrelevant to the determination of most who consider learning TM today. While, I agree, given the holier-than-thou presentation with which we were raised, learning that M's feet are really made of clay could be a shock (regardless of how old or young we were when joining the TMO). However, current marketing of TM lacks emphasis on the 'spiritual' 'guru-appeal' 'enlightenment' or any such, thus allegations to M would be irrelevant. Just my opinion and experience, as a movement-brat now living elsewhere. And, like Rick, I personally know stories-beyond-belief at the highest levels of the TMO (they were not included in my information to my community, as they would be irrelevant). My concerns are potential risks for the teen potential-meditators, who may not have support for the affects of TM's bliss mixed with pubescent hormones. been there. Three more arriving to my home next week. The train wrecks continue through. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > You should send this to the newspaper and the school board. > > > You would have to modify the part about sceintific research, the > > > money being stolen, the womanizing, because you have no proof of > > > those and people will never take you seriously. Well, only about > 70% > > > of your post is inneffective and uncoroborated. antiated gossip. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: New file uploaded to FairfieldLife
Tks Offworld, Sorry, but my claims are substantianted. Many folks that I know and love personally were seriously damaged. Just offering a full disclosure of possibilites.. no different than the warning label on my dinner vino. To remain silent (in my own neighborhood) about what I know and lived, would be the ultimate disservice. I appreciate your opinion as well, and would not ridicule you, either on this world nor off. Gina Catena (real name) San Rafael, Calif. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And (please forward to the schoolboard and the Marin Newspaper). > There were aliens dissected at Area 51 in the 1950's. > Urgent. > Please publish along with unsubstantiated, unscientific, along > with arms wildly flailing. claims about the negative effects > of TM. > > OffWorld > > > > Regards, > > > > gimari03 > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum
It's a matter of full disclosure. Naturally, the presenters dodged key questions from the audience. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yo! It is a club with non-school sponsorship. All the school furnishes is > space, as far as I > can tell. Are you able to block Christian clubs where prayers are held > outside class hours? > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 wrote: > > > > The school district already approved it! > > > > Does anyone have a copy of 9th and 10th mandala of Rig Veda? > > I gave mine away long long ago. > > > > Also, how about a copy of the pic of Guru Dev used for pujas? > > > > The article in Paris w/ the photos of Rajas,etc? > > > > Can contact me either through Rick Archer, or by clicking onto 'send email' > > on the right > > side of this post, when you are signed into the yahoo group (vs reading in > > your basic > > inbox) > > > > My kids attended the HS chosen for this pilot project! ugh! > > I was raised in TM - next 'kid' after Tina and Teresa Olson a founding > > member of MIU > in > > Sta Barbara and FF. The meeting was shut down before I could describe the > > puja and > > potential downside to teenagers, as well as the slow persuasive > > recruitment of the kids > > that will happen w/ this "TM club" up and downside. > > > > Writing my letter to the editor today.. describing 7 states of > > consciouness, sidhis etc. > > > > IMHO, folks can do what they want. But sponsored by the public schools? > > In my > > backyard? I don't think so. > > > > MSAE grads STILL find their way to my home (grapevine) saying "How do I > > function in the > > real world?" Three more are arriving next week. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning wrote: > > > > > > Well its sad when a few adults acting like 3 year olds are able to > > > shut down a meeting. That does not necessarily mean that the school > > > district will aquiese to be puppets of three-year olds. It will be > > > interesting to see how this unfolds. > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum
The school district already approved it! Does anyone have a copy of 9th and 10th mandala of Rig Veda? I gave mine away long long ago. Also, how about a copy of the pic of Guru Dev used for pujas? The article in Paris w/ the photos of Rajas,etc? Can contact me either through Rick Archer, or by clicking onto 'send email' on the right side of this post, when you are signed into the yahoo group (vs reading in your basic inbox) My kids attended the HS chosen for this pilot project! ugh! I was raised in TM - next 'kid' after Tina and Teresa Olson a founding member of MIU in Sta Barbara and FF. The meeting was shut down before I could describe the puja and potential downside to teenagers, as well as the slow persuasive recruitment of the kids that will happen w/ this "TM club" up and downside. Writing my letter to the editor today.. describing 7 states of consciouness, sidhis etc. IMHO, folks can do what they want. But sponsored by the public schools? In my backyard? I don't think so. MSAE grads STILL find their way to my home (grapevine) saying "How do I function in the real world?" Three more are arriving next week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well its sad when a few adults acting like 3 year olds are able to > shut down a meeting. That does not necessarily mean that the school > district will aquiese to be puppets of three-year olds. It will be > interesting to see how this unfolds. > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] TM presenters squelch objections at HS forum
Pilot program for TM into a California high school, sponsored by Lynch: http://www.marinij.com/ci_4486015 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Was John Lennon Right About Maharishi?'
Ingegerd, IMHO, you are excatly on the money with that remark! Oh no, MMY is on the money! We're just onto his scam. Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > MMY used the words My Technique, My Vedic Science - My - My - My - > long before that. > Maybe TM is MMY techniques and has nothing to do with Guru Devs > teaching - and that MMY has mislead all TM-Teachers and all > meditators about that fact. That he has used Guru Dev as an Alibi > for good and bad? > Ingegerd > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Rick Ross comments on MMY's latest Peace Plan
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi's name
Sounds like you were THERE! He wore make up too? LOL! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Accurate insight, in my opinion, Vaj. Ture believers will always find > reason to believe. Like the Jehovah's witnesses, the more you point > out the flaws, the stronger they grow. When they come to the door I > just tell them I'm a reformed Druid (we're allowed to worship > bushes). It's an old M*A*S*H* joke. > > If you read Joyce Collin-Smith's "Call No Man Master" or Paul Mason's > Mahesh bio, it's perfectly clear that Mahesh is all about getting > himself worshiped. > > I clearly remember the newspaper stories: he declared his mission > failure and said he was retiring to the Himilayas. It was AFTER this > that the Beatles made him famous and he bounced back with a vengence. > First he created huge numbers of TM teachers (Mallorca, Fiuggi, La > Antilla). He coo'd like a dove cooing to another dove from whom it > hoped to borrow money (favourite Wodehouse quote) at the peak of > rounding: no one can love you like I can, you are going to save the > whole world, get the money from an auntie, from your gran > > Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his 6- > month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I did all > of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than > anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts provided > more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of Yogananda > with his lovely spin on it. > > And the 'sidhi' stuff? He had no idea, literally. He sent people to > India to find yogis; he got obscure translations, he fiddled and > fumed and tinkered ... but what worked best was the cooing, get 'em > all spacey and suggest hopping. How simple; he'd always known that > people would pay him for what they expected to get in return and that > he never had any trouble convincing them it was their fault it wasn't > working. He still bitches about too much negativity, too little work > being done by others, yadda, yadda. > > The "real" Mahesh is someone completely imaginary for most people. > But, yes, there was an inner circle, people who liked what they were > doing and since he was providing room and board and the company of > each other, they didn't particularly object doing it for him. But > behind closed doors, the discussion shifted to how completely bonkers > Mahesh was. Stripped of his public facade, he was a nutter with > charm, intelligence, charisma by the sackful. But his ideas and his > wast wedic wevelations were total kaka. It was all provided by people > who not only told him what the Sanskrit said, but what the Sanskrit > meant. > > It was all spindoctoring based on the work of others. > > Do nothing, accomplish everything took on a whole new meaning. YOU > bust your balls and I take all the credit. > > Well, that was fun. Nothing new, but fun. Those who see, see. Those > who don't see, still see. A finger points at the moon. Some will > always and only consider the finger. > > Happy trails. There are better things to do than worry about some Jim > Jones type dressed in sheets and wearing makeup. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
Hi: Tks for asking about the talk. I spoke off the cuff, so there is not a typed presentation to provide you. There is no transcript. I don't know if ICSA will post a transcript. If my talk is transcribed, I'd be happy to post it. I'm not on an anti-TM vendeta. For legal reasons, they told me I didn't have to have it taped. I said that "yes, I do want to be taped", for the benefit of my own now-grown children (born in FF), and also for other TM-kids coming along who might want it. I'm concerned for children who've grown up normalizing TM casualties around them, and their anxiety of entering the "Ignorance" of the world. Yes, am aware that life in FF has changed over the years. However, I didn't go into that, as I don't live in FF now and we had limited time. I only discussed my experience, nothing more and nothing less. In the hallway, prior to speaking, I was warned about litigiousness and to 'be careful'. This was NOT planned with Patrick Ryan. I'd never had contact with Pat, nor with TM-Ex. I met Pat the same day of the presentation. He was in the room with me. We did not plan nor coordinate what we discussed. Pat Ryan did not coach me. I spoke with love for my TM family who raised me. I spoke about concern for excessive indulgence in neurochemicals. In my experience, I compared to TM to alcohol.. a glass of red wine daily may have health benefits. However, two bottles daily can interfere with conducting a functional life. I did not address Vedic teachings nor philosophy; I'm not qualified for that. There were some other TM kids, in their early thirties, present in the room. They told me afterwards that they had similar experiences and that hearing my story helped them to process. My scattered notes would be useless to anyone else, as I did not discuss the TMO. I spoke abour personal memories. After 20 years of personal silence, it was a surprise that others wanted to hear abour the first 30 years of my life. ICSA asked me to come. I did not seek this oout. If it helps other young 'uns coming up (now in their 20's and early 30's), then so be it. Biggest surprise for me, after my talk, I learned that my story is nearly identical to that of a woman who was the first 'Blessed Child" of the moonies. I suppose any group goes through growing pains. Again, if a transcript becomes available, I'd be happy to post it. Best to all. Warmly, Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'd love to see the video you refer to below. > > In lieu of that, any possibility that you could post a transcript of > your talk or any notes you had for it? > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
Tks Doug! Your offer of assistance is appreciated. I agreed to try to locate the document about the Initiator recertification course for someone. Otherwise, am not researching TMO nor FF for anything. I grew up in the movement, initiated as a child in the Olsen's house in '60s. As a teen, I moved to FF in 1974(?) w/ the chartered flight from MIU Santa Barbara, left FF in 1988. I remain in contact w/ some FFers. I always enjoy visting. Maybe can arrange to visit annually for a week. At another request, I presented about my TM upbringing at the recent conference the "International Cultic Studies Association" ICSA. The presentation was videoed. I've not seen the video/DVD yet. It was NOT a formal presentation. I did NOT discuss the movement nor TM per se... only MY experience of my upbringing within the TMO. It's interesting to read FF developments here. My own spirituality has taken the path of a cross between secular humanism and agnostic. As I recently told someone else "I don't do God. I don't do organized religion." Just be a good person.. more or less Buddhist I suppose. I'll return to lurking and will be busy reading the threads that you linked me to. Again, many thanks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hey Gina, what else are you researching about FF? I get a steady > flow of academics, authors, researchers and journalists who contact > me off of FFL. What else are you thinking about FF? Some of the > writers on this list could be quite helpful if they were turned > loose. We don't pay much attention but the archive here is full of > some great primary material on the TMO. > > People find these real interesting to work off of: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83702?l=1 > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/83701?l=1 > > Best Regards from FF, > > -Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
Yes, thanks Doug. Amazing to read it! When I'd heard about it all, I rolled my eyes and ignored it. After recent to FF and seeing how the community evolved in recent years, It's fascinating to learn the more recent history. Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > wrote: > > > > > > Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas > > > for a million, rajas for 500k. Re-certification, de- > > certification > > > course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in > > > residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a > > > phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else > > now. > > > > > > The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring > > > of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as > > part > > > of the discussion. > > > > > > Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The > > FFL > > > archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the > > March > > > 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the > > subject > > > headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. > > > > > > > > > I found this one in the early April posts... > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 > > > > > > Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- > > > cert course. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > -Doug Hamilton FF > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > > > Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- > > > recertification course? > > > > I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official > > > invitation to recertification. > > > > tks! > > > > > > > > Gina > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough > > > > > course and as a result all of the recertified teachers > > > > > are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one > > > > > of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gina, > > > > I searched a little bit. Once you get the hang of it there are gems > > to find. There is a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with FF or > > FFL. But in between there is some interesting stuff too. Some > > people have thrilled with filling things up here otherwise to > > obviscate the subject. So it is. > > > > Here are some things that might interest your research: > > > > 'Buy a Raja'. For a million or so. 50% down will do. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45050?l=1 > > > > The re-cert and de-certification of the TMO. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45444? threaded=1 > > > > De-certification of the TMO, > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/46041?l=1 > > > > Epilogue Re-cert, A lot of people off the hook with de- certification: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 > > > > > > These posts scratch the surface. Reading the posts around these is > > useful perspective. It is easiest to start in the 'messages' and > > then to plug the numbers of the posts into the msg.# search. That > > will give the post and then the area of the archive with the post. > > Then you can scroll back and forth through the subject headings to > > get the context. > > > > Basically the prime effort for both the re-certs and the rajas was > > to bring real estate to the TMO. Teaching TM was incidental to the > > real estate. You can read that and it is pretty obvious. No money > > of conseqence was forthcoming to the people who went along with it, > > as it turned out. > > > > Another side effect was that it depopulated the domes of tr
[FairfieldLife] Re:the Teacher recertification course
Thanks, Doug! I had a recent visit w/ to my loved ones in FF. Was interesting to see how community evolved since the recertification drive, then quiet about that. IMHO, looks like the push backfired. I'd heard about the recertification when came out, and more or less ignored it. (I never attended TTC) Tks for the links regarding the initial push. "Hi" to all my old buds in FF! Gina (California) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas > > for a million, rajas for 500k. Re-certification, de- > certification > > course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in > > residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a > > phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else > now. > > > > The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring > > of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as > part > > of the discussion. > > > > Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The > FFL > > archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the > March > > 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the > subject > > headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. > > > > > > I found this one in the early April posts... > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 > > > > Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- > > cert course. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > -Doug Hamilton FF > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 wrote: > > > > > > Hi all! > > > > > > Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- > > recertification course? > > > I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official > > invitation to recertification. > > > tks! > > > > > > Gina > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough > > > > course and as a result all of the recertified teachers > > > > are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one > > > > of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Gina, > > I searched a little bit. Once you get the hang of it there are gems > to find. There is a lot of stuff that has nothing to do with FF or > FFL. But in between there is some interesting stuff too. Some > people have thrilled with filling things up here otherwise to > obviscate the subject. So it is. > > Here are some things that might interest your research: > > 'Buy a Raja'. For a million or so. 50% down will do. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45050?l=1 > > The re-cert and de-certification of the TMO. > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/45444? threaded=1 > > De-certification of the TMO, > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/46041?l=1 > > Epilogue Re-cert, A lot of people off the hook with de- certification: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 > > > These posts scratch the surface. Reading the posts around these is > useful perspective. It is easiest to start in the 'messages' and > then to plug the numbers of the posts into the msg.# search. That > will give the post and then the area of the archive with the post. > Then you can scroll back and forth through the subject headings to > get the context. > > Basically the prime effort for both the re-certs and the rajas was > to bring real estate to the TMO. Teaching TM was incidental to the > real estate. You can read that and it is pretty obvious. No money > of conseqence was forthcoming to the people who went along with it, > as it turned out. > > Another side effect was that it depopulated the domes of true- > believers and has diluted the group-effect that has always been the > reason for Fairfield. > > It evidently is now about monument building and real estate building > on good people's goodwill. And then, we all now know what the TMO > (MMY) does with real estate. There is an old pattern. It generally > gets sold and the money goes AWOL in form. If MMY and the people
[FairfieldLife] Re: Teacher recertification course
Doug, Thanks much! I'll dig around next week or so.. am on the road right now. Appreciating the navigational tips. later g :)) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Gina, it kind of blurs together. 100 millionaires courses. Rajas > for a million, rajas for a 100k. Re-certification, de-certification > course. Re-cert started with having people pay and come in > residence and then loosened up to just sending money in and only a > phone call and signing papers to recert. It is something else now. > > The announcement on the re-cert course came out in the spring > of '05. Often the movmement announcements are copied to FFL as part > of the discussion. > > Look on the homepage at the monthly chart for the archive. The FFL > archive is rich with all kinds of original material. Try the March > 2005 posts. 'simplify' them and you can scroll through the subject > headings to get to the re-cert area and find what you are after. > > > I found this one in the early April posts... > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/47012?l=1 > > Try March 2005, or April 2005 and back up in to the area of the re- > cert course. > > Best Regards, > > -Doug Hamilton FF > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 wrote: > > > > Hi all! > > > > Does anyone have the written info about the teacher- > recertification course? > > I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official > invitation to recertification. > > tks! > > > > Gina > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > > > > On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough > > > course and as a result all of the recertified teachers > > > are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one > > > of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/jDk17A/gOaOAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Teacher recertification course
Hi all! Does anyone have the written info about the teacher-recertification course? I know about it, just am curious to read the TMO's official invitation to recertification. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On the TM side, Maharishi announced a new breakthrough > course and as a result all of the recertified teachers > are now fully enlightened, and all displaying every one > of Pantanjali's siddhis, often in public. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo
Hi Michael: Yes, you've got me pegged. Still a midwife, in the Bay Area. Sorry I missed providing the evolution of 'ru evolution to 'roo in time for your publication. How're the Davis's now? Hope your family well. Mine great. am checking out your website. will order the book. tks! Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think I remember you. Were you a midwife? Did you work at Crest Jewel? Were > you > married to a member of the Bebo band? My wife and I were friends of Mark > Davis another > Bebo member. I think my wife Susie took a some kind of birthing class from > you. If you are > that Gina, nice to hear from you. If you aren't, nice to hear from you anyway. > > Best, Michael > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you spell roo
'Ru began as short for "Guru" .. referring to the TMers who came to FF when MIU first came to FF in 1974. I was the first 'Ru out of FF high school.. class of 1975. MSAE/ MIU prep was only preschool at that time. "Roo later evolved when referring to the kangaroo hopping in the domes. 'Tater was another term that went by the wayside. 'Rubs as deragotory for the Trojans.. as in FF high school teams... came about when there were tensions between the 'Ru teens and the local teens in the 1980s So, what book is coming out soon?? Gina --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/22/06 2:33:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > dawnhawk@ writes: > > > > Does anyone have a difinitive opinion about how to spell roo, as > TM people > > in Fairfield are > > often refered to. It seems like the correct way would be 'ru > since it is a > > contraction for > > guru. But on the few occassions I have seen it in print I think > it has been > > spelled roo. I > > need to know for my book which will be coming out in a week or > two. > > > > > > > > Wow! You have a book coming out in a couple of weeks and you're > just now > > checking the spelling? > > > > * > > It was the Fairfield High School kids who first started the > word "ru." I recall while I was in living in Missouri, the kids > would refer to people of the female persuasion as "gina," which is > not pronounced like the Italian actress' name (Ms. Lollobrigida), so > the epithet for TMers was probably more reflective of youthful > playfulness than hostility, although kids certainly are not shy > about showing lack of respect. > > To counter the ru thing, some Fairfield TMers started referring to > locals as "rubs," since the Fairfield High School team name was > the "Trojans" (the name for a prophylactic brand for you non- > Americans), but it never really caught on. > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~--> Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM ~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
