[FairfieldLife] RE: Shamans and Don Juan Matus

[nelsonriddle2001]

Interesting observation that.
 Did they turn red after they got here and, they must have all left together as 
there don't seem to be any left there from what I have heard.
  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote:

 They don't call Native Americans "Indians" for nothing, since they all came 
from Asia in the first place. Go figure.
 

According to what I've read, a recent study of a 40,000 year old skeleton from  
China "showed that early modern humans present in the Beijing area 40,000 y ago 
were related to the ancestors of many present-day Asians as well as Native 
Americans." 

 So, what is a shaman anyway?

 

 A shaman is anybody who contacts a spirit world while in an altered state of 
consciousness. 
 

 The idea is based  on the notion that the visible world is of the senses is 
pervaded by invisible forces or spirits which affect the lives of living 
people. Shamans can reach altered states of consciousness in order to encounter 
and interact with the spirit world and channel transcendental energies.
 

 "For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have heart, on any path 
that may have heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me 
is to traverse its full length. And there I travel—looking, looking, 
breathlessly." - Don Juan Matus
 
 

 Only known photography of Don Juan Matus:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk"  wrote:
> 
> > > > I don't think it's about the "stuff" so much as about
> > > > the laws: A supernatural object or event is one in
> > > > which the Laws of Nature are temporarily suspended (or 
> > > > violated).
> > > 
> > > But that would imply we know all the laws of 
> > > nature, wouldn't it?
> > 
> > Well, maybe. What an odd idea "supernatural" is when you
> > prod and poke at it!
> > 
> > Something strange needs explaining. The supernaturalist
> > says there IS no explanation;
> 
> Or gives an explanation that can't be turned
> into a testable hypothesis.
> 
>  the scientist says there would be if we could just
> > figure it out. I think I'm with the latter, but
> > (against Stenger), I don't see why all explanations
> > are materialist explanations.
> 
> I think it comes down to testability. I have a
> sneaking suspicion that a lot of things that are
> rejected as "supernatural" because they can't be--
> or haven't been--nailed down by a test have simply
> not been tested properly.
> 
> Lawrence LeShan came out with a book recently 
> arguing that tests for mental telepathy are so
> poorly designed that they couldn't find telepathy
> even if it did exist, and proposes a different
> approach altogether.
>
  Maybe it is like a migraine- hard to explain or test for but when you 
expierience it, you are likely to become a believer.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Victor Stenger's "New Athiesm"

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero"  wrote:
> >
> > http://www.colorado.edu/philosophy/vstenger/
> > 
> > from the website:
> > In The New Atheism, I review and expand upon the principles of New Atheism 
> > and answer many of its critics. I show how naturalism, the view that 
> > everything is matter an nothing more, is sufficient to explain all we 
> > observe in the universe from the most distant galaxies to the inner 
> > workings of the brain that result in the phenomenon of mind. 
> [snip]
> 
> Phew! And all before lunch no doubt. OK, Perhaps he'll need till 
> tea time for "the inner workings of the brain that result in the
> phenomenon of mind". But easy-peasy all the same. 
> 
> Or hubris?
> 
> (And why does naturalism equate to materialism?)
>

   Seems amazing that some people still think that because they havent 
expierienced something, it doesn't exist.  A dunce forsooth..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as "Reality Hologram"

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "compost1uk"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > It should be obvious to anyone who has spent some
> > > > > time here that we do not all live in the same reality.
> > > > > The frequency -- and the *vehemence* -- of the never-
> > > > > ending arguments about what "Reality" is should clue
> > > > > us in to the fact that we are all seeing different
> > > > > realities.
> > sipp,,
> > > 
> > > Suggesting that this person's reality is Reality
> > > is to suggest that there is only *One* Reality.
> > > And sorry, but I'm not buyin' that one...
> > >
> >   It would seem that there must be as many realities as there are people 
> > for no two can have the same view point as in I am shorter than you so you 
> > have a higher view etc.
> >   Given that each of us has a different history,nothing will be seen quite 
> > the same.
> >   Like the immigration survey in CA- 70 percent said "no es problema 
> > seriosa.
> >
> 
> But Nelson - why does that add up to "many realities"? Why not just
> "multiple perspectives on the same, one, reality"?
> 
> If I see you in the distance, I see only one side of you. That doesn't
> mean I don't see *you*: It just means my perception is incomplete. 
> 
> If, at the same time, someone is gazing at your other side - does that
> mean we are blessed with TWO Nelson Riddles?
>

  I would hope not,,
  You are right- multiple views of the same reality like the blind men and the 
elephant- each found the elephant to be, for them, a different discovery.
   I guess that by definition you could only have one reality but, as we see 
these days, a lot of people are trying to obscure it. 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield Life as "Reality Hologram"

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "wgm4u"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > It should be obvious to anyone who has spent some
> > > time here that we do not all live in the same reality.
> > > The frequency -- and the *vehemence* -- of the never-
> > > ending arguments about what "Reality" is should clue
> > > us in to the fact that we are all seeing different
> > > realities.
sipp,,
> 
> Suggesting that this person's reality is Reality
> is to suggest that there is only *One* Reality.
> And sorry, but I'm not buyin' that one...
>
  It would seem that there must be as many realities as there are people for no 
two can have the same view point as in I am shorter than you so you have a 
higher view etc.
  Given that each of us has a different history,nothing will be seen quite the 
same.
  Like the immigration survey in CA- 70 percent said "no es problema seriosa.

[FairfieldLife] Re: LOL - Joe Wilson Voted for Funding Illegal Alien Healthcare in 2003

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Can you say 'hypocrite' boys and girls?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Why would that make him a "hypocrite"?
> > > > 
> > > > If he yelled out "you lie" that doesn't tell us what side of the issue 
> > > > Wilson is on -- or was on -- it just tells us that Wilson is claiming 
> > > > that Obama is is lying about something.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You can't be serious, Shremp...
> > > 
> > > "One of the most persistent conservative concerns about health care 
> > > legislation is that it will provide health care to illegal immigrants -- 
> > > and the heated claim spilled onto the floor of President Obama's address 
> > > to a joint session of Congress this evening, where one Republican member 
> > > called the president a liar for denying it."
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > Okay, I went to the link you provided and it has nothing on Wilson.
> > 
> > So why did you provide the link?
> > 
> > Again, even if Wilson is the #1 advocate against providing healthcare to 
> > illegal immigrants, why does that make him a hypocrite by shouting out "you 
> > lie"?  It may make him rude but not hypocritical.  The only issue after the 
> > impropriety of acting like Judy Stein and calling the president a liar is 
> > whether the president lied or not.
> > 
> 
> 
> Wilson's hypocrisy is obvious to any child and Obama didn't lie, Shremp:
> 
> TIME:
> 
> In the Senate Finance Committee working framework for a health plan, which 
> Obama's speech seemed most to mimic, there is the line: "No illegal 
> immigrants will benefit from the health care tax credits." Similarly, the 
> major health care reform bill to pass out of committee in the House, H.R. 
> 3200, contains a Section 246, which is called, "NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR 
> UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS." 
> 
> http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1921455,00.html
>  
> 
> Politifact: 
> 
> ...When we look at all of this evidence, it seems that health reform leaves 
> in place the status quo on illegal immigration, and certainly does not 
> provide any new benefits particularly for illegal immigrants 
> 
> The best argument that we find that health reform would help illegal 
> immigrants is that some might be able to purchase the public option -- if it 
> passes, and it might not -- on the new  health insurance exchange. They would 
> purchase that at full cost. Obama's said "the reforms I'm proposing would not 
> apply to those who are here illegally," which Wilson said was a "lie." 
> Actually, Obama can make a pretty thorough case that reform doesn't apply to 
> those here illegally. We don't find the public option argument enough to make 
> the case that Obama "lied." We rate Wilson's statement False. 
> 
> http://snipurl.com/rqo21   [www_politifact_com] 
> 
> 
> FactCheck.org: 
> 
> Illegal Immigrants Will Be Covered: FALSE 
> 
> One Republican congressman issued a press release claiming that "5,600,000 
> Illegal Aliens May Be Covered Under Obamacare," and we've been peppered with 
> queries about similar claims. They're not true. In fact, the House bill (the 
> only bill to be formally introduced in its entirety) specifically says that 
> no federal money would be spent on giving illegal immigrants health coverage: 
> 
> H.R. 3200: Sec 246 — NO FEDERAL PAYMENT FOR UNDOCUMENTED ALIENS 
> 
> Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability 
> credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United 
> States. 
> 
> Also, under current law, those in the country illegally don't qualify for 
> federal health programs. Of interest: About half of illegal immigrants have 
> health insurance now, according to the nonpartisan Pew Hispanic Center, which 
> says those who lack insurance do so principally because their employers don't 
> offer it. 
> 
> http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/seven-falsehoods-about-health-care/ 
> 
> 
> [snip to end]
>
 It looks like if they are not checking on their status, it would be a moot 
point no?

[FairfieldLife] Re: A dailymail.co.uk article from Mike Dixon

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Are we on the cusp of Civil War II yet?  ;-)
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > LOL... 
> > > 
> > > Dixon thinks the South will rise again. He doesn't realize how 
> > > marginalized and irrelevant his loud and visible but clownish minority 
> > > fringe wacko pals are becoming.
> > > 
> > > They've become a bizarre circus attraction at best.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > mdixon.6569@ wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > We'll be back, again and again, bigger and stronger.
> > > > >
> > snip
> >   At the town hall meetings I saw, we wingnuts didn't look like a minority 
> > by any means- did I miss something here?
> >
> 
> 
> Dixon was talking about the 9/12 march in Wash DC, not a town hall event.
> 
> A room packed with wingnuts wouldn't appear to be a minority... in a room 
> packed with wingnuts.
>   
  OIC, very logical, thanks.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: The prescience of Barney Frank

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk"  wrote:
>
> One of the issues dearest to my heart is the oppressive taxes that 
> self-employed people have to pay in the U.S., something I've mentioned before 
> here on this forum.  The self-employed have to pay double on payroll taxes 
> because they are their own employer; so we pay 15.3% instead of 7.65% on the 
> first $106,000 of Adjusted Gross Income (or something like that).  So if you 
> have, say, $40,000 of taxable income, you are in a ridiculous 45% tax bracket 
> (25% federal income tax marginal rate, 5% state, and 15.3% payroll tax).
> 
>snip,
  Being a one man business and, not dealing in very big numbers, I don't seem 
to be having such problems,
  Last year, H&R Block charged me 160.00 to figure out that I owed 140.00 for 
federal and, I came in under the radar for state tax.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: A dailymail.co.uk article from Mike Dixon

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Are we on the cusp of Civil War II yet?  ;-)
> > 
> 
> 
> LOL... 
> 
> Dixon thinks the South will rise again. He doesn't realize how marginalized 
> and irrelevant his loud and visible but clownish minority fringe wacko pals 
> are becoming.
> 
> They've become a bizarre circus attraction at best.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > mdixon.6569@ wrote:
> > >  
> > >
> > >
> > > We'll be back, again and again, bigger and stronger.
> > >
snip
  At the town hall meetings I saw, we wingnuts didn't look like a minority by 
any means- did I miss something here?
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Big Moving Sale

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "meowthirteen"  wrote:
>
> ---
> O geez
> 
> I will be vending @ the market these hours
> I sure am interested in the pasta maker,so I can take some mint I grow and 
> put it into a pasta&put a white sauce on top-and a basil one
> and a lavender one...sometimes it is 2 pm before I am able to depart from the 
> market. 
> I wonder how much you are needing for it(?)
> And if you know anyone who would come over to the market for a snack for y 
> all while you work your sale-maybe they would come by &let me know how much 
> (?)
> I had one, but it passed on to be incarnated into a refridgerator.
> 
> Really the crank broke inside.I have been looking ever since to replace it.
> 
> Well if you can, you are welcome at the tent people say looks like Camelot.
> Come have a pear.
> If you have two pearls, I may be interested in them.
> I was gifted single pearl earrings and I lost one.
> Would be great to make a set again.
> 
> The flavor of your items for sale I adore-much interests me, but there are 
> others in the world that should have loveliness in their days.
> These things I mentioned I miss .
> 
> Please come by 
> or
> I may check after the market,among my other errands.
> Thanks for posting!
> 
> namaste
> 
snip
   Hi M-13,
   Was talking to Tom at lucky day and mentioned your kind thoughts about the 
store.
He appreciated that very much as they having been feeling a bit down and 
felt uplifted at the news.  thank you..

[FairfieldLife] Re: Apology to Turing

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> From Telegraph.com.uk:
> 
> Gordon Brown: I'm proud to say sorry to a real war hero
>  
> The treatment of code-breaker Alan Turing was utterly unfair, says Gordon 
> Brown 
>  
> By Gordon Brown 
> Published: 9:30PM BST 10 Sep 2009
> 
> Computer pioneer Alan Turing, who helped crack 
> German Enigma codes during WWII This has been a 
> year of deep reflection – a chance for Britain, 
> as a nation, to commemorate the profound debts we 
> owe to those who came before. A unique 
> combination of anniversaries and events have 
> stirred in us that sense of pride and gratitude 
> that characterise the British experience. Earlier 
> this year, I stood with Presidents Sarkozy and 
> Obama to honour the service and the sacrifice of 
> the heroes who stormed the beaches of Normandy 65 
> years ago. And just last week, we marked the 70 
> years which have passed since the British 
> government declared its willingness to take up 
> arms against fascism and declared the outbreak of 
> the Second World War. 
> 
snip,
 Interesting story- Had forgotten about Mr turing and want to add that the 
Polish had done a lot of earlier ground work in the effort.
 Having worked with this equipment, I would observe that it was a near 
miracle that they had any sucess at all.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Weight Control Research (was How Bevan got so big?)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante  wrote:
>
> 
> http://snipurl.com/rq3et   
> [www_onlineprnews_com]
> 
> "It has been known for some time that stress, and fatigue are probable
> causes of obesity. It's also well know that the Transcendental
> Meditation Program is an effective solution for stress management. So
> according to researchers using the Transcendental Meditation Program to
> control weight was just the next logical step.
> 
> Brain Chemistry and Weight Loss through Meditation
> Unlike diet or exercise which achieve weight loss by focusing on
> improving the physical body, the Transcendental Meditation Program
> addresses the problem of weight gain by correcting mental imbalances.
> 
> When the brain is not functioning correctly it sends incorrect messages
> to the body resulting in abnormal food cravings, unneeded fat deposits,
> and an overly slow metabolism.
> 
> There is not one type of mental imbalance that causes obesity.
> 
> Several different independent studies each show how a particular
> imbalance in the brain is responsible for weight gain. One common
> imbalance is low serotonin levels, caused by stress, fatigue, and an
> imbalanced diet. Another common imbalance is incorrect functioning of
> the hypothalamus, which can be triggered by many factors including
> stress and diet.
>
  Did you note the role of MSG and HFCS in the equasion?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Dressing Up, Dressing Down

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "j_alexander_stanley" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>  
> > So what's it like? What do the roos wear? What do the townies
> > wear? Do you feel that you have to change clothes to go into
> > town? Do you feel that you have to change clothes to attend
> > a TMO function? Do you even wear clothes?
> 
> FF is very informal. The other day, I finally gutted my closet of ancient 
> clothes that haven't fit me for a very long time, and there was a fantastic 
> pair of soft suede pants that I couldn't have worn more than half a dozen 
> times. During our recent trip to Beverly Hills, one of my goals was to get 
> one really nice dark suit that I can wear to inevitable somber occasions in 
> the future, but everything else I bought is cool upscale stuff that I can 
> wear with a pair of blue jeans.
>
 Went to a church supper last year with my bib overalls and, no one noticed it 
as out of place. (just about never get mistaken for a roo)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Politics as Shamanism

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001" 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The bill has become due.  The "big boys" know this but
> > > > > > can't simple tell the public they need to tighten their
> > > > > > belts.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The public doesn't need to be told to tighten their
> > > > > belts. They're already doing it, either because they
> > > > > have no choice or because they're afraid things will
> > > > > get worse and are trying to stay ahead of the game.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Unfortunately, belt-tightening is *not* the remedy
> > > > > for the present economic situation. People who can
> > > > > afford it should be spending money, not saving it.
> > > > > The less consumer spending, the less production; the
> > > > > less production, the fewer jobs; the fewer jobs,
> > > > > the less consumer spending. It's a vicious circle.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Government can make up for only so much of the
> > > > > decline in consumer spending, but as it is, the
> > > > > government isn't spending enough either.
> > > > >
> > > >   Maybe outsoursing too much and, buying foriegn made
> > > > stuff has something to do with so many out of work that
> > > > can't spend much?
> > > >   Do you think a lot of the present problem was brought
> > > > about by those complaining?
> > > 
> > > Good grief, no, and no.
> > > 
> > > Here's a primer:
> > > 
> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_2008
> > >
> >   Good grief, what a lot of fine print.
> >   I stand corrected.
> >   I did think that the old "buy American, save your job"
> > motto had some merit tho.
> 
> Sure, but it's really a very minor factor in the
> current economic mess.
> 
> >Did you read F.I.A.S.C.O (title) concernes wall street 
> > dishonesty.
> 
> No, haven't read it. Don't want to raise my blood
> pressure to dangerous levels! I don't really need
> convincing on that score. Is it a good read?
>
  Quite boring and, sad to see that  there are very few honest people involved 
if any.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Politics as Shamanism

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> > > 
> > > > The bill has become due.  The "big boys" know this but
> > > > can't simple tell the public they need to tighten their
> > > > belts.
> > > 
> > > The public doesn't need to be told to tighten their
> > > belts. They're already doing it, either because they
> > > have no choice or because they're afraid things will
> > > get worse and are trying to stay ahead of the game.
> > > 
> > > Unfortunately, belt-tightening is *not* the remedy
> > > for the present economic situation. People who can
> > > afford it should be spending money, not saving it.
> > > The less consumer spending, the less production; the
> > > less production, the fewer jobs; the fewer jobs,
> > > the less consumer spending. It's a vicious circle.
> > > 
> > > Government can make up for only so much of the
> > > decline in consumer spending, but as it is, the
> > > government isn't spending enough either.
> > >
> >   Maybe outsoursing too much and, buying foriegn made
> > stuff has something to do with so many out of work that
> > can't spend much?
> >   Do you think a lot of the present problem was brought
> > about by those complaining?
> 
> Good grief, no, and no.
> 
> Here's a primer:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recession_of_2008
>
  Good grief, what a lot of fine print.
  I stand corrected.
   I did think that the old "buy American, save your job" motto had some merit 
tho.
   Did you read F.I.A.S.C.O (title) concernes wall street dishonesty.
   Guess I should should stick with the conspiacy theories where everyone can 
be entitled to an opinion even if they are (adjective omitted).
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Politics as Shamanism

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> 
> > The bill has become due.  The "big boys" know this but
> > can't simple tell the public they need to tighten their
> > belts.
> 
> The public doesn't need to be told to tighten their
> belts. They're already doing it, either because they
> have no choice or because they're afraid things will
> get worse and are trying to stay ahead of the game.
> 
> Unfortunately, belt-tightening is *not* the remedy
> for the present economic situation. People who can
> afford it should be spending money, not saving it.
> The less consumer spending, the less production; the
> less production, the fewer jobs; the fewer jobs,
> the less consumer spending. It's a vicious circle.
> 
> Government can make up for only so much of the
> decline in consumer spending, but as it is, the
> government isn't spending enough either.
>
  Maybe outsoursing too much and, buying foriegn made stuff has something to do 
with so many out of work that can't spend much?
  Do you think a lot of the present problem was brought about by those 
complaining?
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: WWII Conspiracy Theories (Was: Right Wing Lunacy Getting Worse?)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation"  
wrote:
>
> I've been somewhat intrigued by a lot of conspiracy theories regarding war, 
> some of which have a strong basis in facts, some of which are ridiculous.  
> Does anyone here (specifically Bob Brigante who posted this below) know of 
> any of the theories that WWII was completely avoidable, but the world bank 
> fueled it because the world bank knew that every country participating would 
> go into debt to the world bank in the process of trying to fund their own 
> war?  Supposedly all countries, Axis and Allies, had to borrow from the world 
> bank in order to survive economically during the war.  Nobody, not even Japan 
> and Germany had any deep desire to lose the lives they lost.  Only modern 
> Islamic extremists seem to enjoy dying.  
> 
> I also remember the conspiracy theory that FDR and others in the USA knew 
> about Pearl Harbor well ahead of time, but ignored it(much like 9/11 
> conpiracy theories).  Supposedly FDR(Franklin Roosevelt) could see the next 
> world superpower being whoever controlled oil.  He befriended Saudi Arabia 
> early in his administration in order to guarantee the US a top spot.  I don't 
> remember all the details, but some believe that other countries saw FDR's 
> actions as a threat to their own existence and started beefing themselves up 
> and trying to compete with that COG (Center of Gravity - a common term 
> indicating the pivot point of a particular nations strategy).  Then FDR 
> allowed a major war in order to put the USA on the pedestal as the king of 
> the hill.  
> 
> I remember a quote from Martin Sheen in Apocolypse Now"the bullshit piled 
> up so high in Vietnam you needed wings to stay above it"
> 
> seems like that's the reality of every war we've ever been in
> 
> seekliberation
> 
snip,,
   It is interesting that some of the theories will turn out to be fact in the 
face of general disbelief.
   I hadn't been watching the older ones but some of the more recent happenings 
are more easily seen thru.
Someone with a background in heavy metal work (welder) would see that the 
9-11 report was a total farce for example.
   It does look like things are run from behind the scene and, the present 
administration has the unenviable job of public relations.

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Obama Pretends He Dosen't Know] , nothin'...]

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
> > >
> > >  (snip) 
> > > > Obama Doesn't Want You To Know He Knows Public Option Is Popular
> > > > By: emptywheel Friday September 4, 2009 11:23 am
> > > > (snip)
> > > I have an idea, what happened to President Obama, since he was 
> > > inaugurated President...
> > > It seems like, someone had a 'Little Talk'...with him...
snip,,
> > > r.g.
> > >
> >  Sounds like some wingnut conspiracy theory.  :-)
> >
> Thank you, for your kind remarks, sir...as I was thinking the same thing, 
> myself...
> I first was 'Clued In' about this scenero, some years back, when I had met 
> this guy, who said, that he had been in the CIA, and that his father had been 
> in the CIA, also...
> He told me he wanted to see the tape, which I described, but told him, that I 
> did not, but he told me what was in it...
> So, recently I remembered this, and looked on the Net, and there it is...
> About this story...
> So, ...
> I just was thinking, that some of these people are so entrenched in the 
> military, oil, weapons sales, drug dealing bus., that these things are bound 
> to happen, when they start employing thousands upon thousands of 'Black 
> Mercenary Murdering Thugs'...on the government payroll, some making 1/2 mil. 
> a year...
> These things are bound to happen in the Roman Empire...it's just the way it 
> is...
> 
> R.G.
>
 You don't go along with the Warren commision report?
  How about the  9-11 report.
  Then there was the story about people finding anthrax in the mail when they 
didn't vote properly.
  If you keep up, I won't be able to be the top conspiracy wingnut

[FairfieldLife] Re: [Obama Pretends He Dosen't Know] , nothin'...]

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
>  (snip) 
> > Obama Doesn't Want You To Know He Knows Public Option Is Popular
> > By: emptywheel Friday September 4, 2009 11:23 am
> > (snip)
> I have an idea, what happened to President Obama, since he was inaugurated 
> President...
> It seems like, someone had a 'Little Talk'...with him...
> That went something like this...
> 
> He gets a call from: 'Mr. Big'...for a short meeting at the WH...
> Mr. Big arrives with an entourage of a few people...
> 
> 'We want you to watch a little tape we have, Mr. President, and BTW, 
> congratulations on the election...what a wonderful speaker, you are, indeed!'
> 
> 'Here, we will play for you the 'Zupruder Film, in it's original form, before 
> it was altered, slightly...
> You see, a few frames were removed, but when replace, you can clearly see 
> here, Mr. Greer, a CIA agent, who was driving the car, see how he turns so 
> quickly, the camera barely can track it...and shooting the President, at 
> point blank range...see how the car, is slowing down...see how Jackie is 
> running out'...
> 
> 'So, anyhow, it's very sad, that we had to do that, very, very sad, indeed'...
> 
> 'But, you understand, Mr. Obama, that Mr. Kennedy was getting a little too 
> nosey, about our affairs, so, we had no other choice...
> We had warned him, about this..he never listened...so arrogant, the man 
> was'...
> 
> But, you are much smarter than he...a better speaker, I might add...
> So, you have a nice wife, and nice daughters...so beautiful is your life, 
> your family...
> And such a good speaker, you are...indeed you are...
> That is why, we want you to continue to make these beautiful speeches of 
> yours, all over the world...to bring the 'World Peace' 'The Peace and Love, 
> of the '60's...ahh, so beautiful, is your vision, Mr. Obama...indeed!'
> 
> 'Nonetheless, we have our operations, shall we say, very well entrenched by 
> now...you understand, it has been this way, for quite some time, now'...
> 
> We don't bother you, and you don't bother, us, Kapish?
> As you saw in the film, we don't play very nice...so...
> 
> We will leave you now, to a peaceful and joyful night, Mr. Obama...
> And, we shall be 'In Touch'...but, hopefully, not...'Too in Touch'...
> 
> r.g.
>
 Sounds like some wingnut conspiracy theory.  :-)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Right Wing Lunacy is Getting Worse

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "j_alexander_stanley" 
 wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> >
> > Glen Beck sure knows how to put the Moron back in Moroni.
> 
> In his grave
> Rolling over
> Marconi
>
Right, Macaroni should be buried.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
> > >
> > > TurquoiseB wrote:
> > > > Take the case of our recent spammer, "Miryam 
> > > > Shoshan Yosef"...
> > > >
> > > If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are 
> > > specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second 
> > > Amendment, which has been consistently upheld 
> > > by the U.S. Supreme Court. 
> > > 
> > > You and Judy can call citizens who exercise 
> > > their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, 
> > > but it doesn't do your argument for disarming 
> > > the people any good. In fact it makes you two 
> > > look like extremists, not the othe way around. 
> snip,,
> 
> IMO the "gun problem" in the US is unsolveable.
> Nothing can be done about the extraordinary number
> of guns already out there, and so any "patchwork
> quilt" attempt to limit the number of new guns
> will be ineffective at reducing the number of 
> them. The larger problem is that Americans believe
> they NEED guns to feel safe. People in other 
> countries don't. What's wrong with America that
> its people do?
>
   Had you noticed the peoples reaction to having their guns confiscated in 
England for example?
   It looked to me like a lot of them were happier with than without.
And, I hope you are right about the issue being an unsolvable problem here 
as there are some considerable forces trying to solve the problem.
Their major problem is setting up a dictatorship with an armed citizenry.

[FairfieldLife] Re: How do you make sense of the ugliest abuses of man?

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:52 AM, WillyTex wrote:
> 
> > > > > The psycho rapist freakshow conundrum...
> > > > >
> > > > From what I've read, Phillip Gariddo was a
> > > > liberal and owned no guns. So, what does
> > > > that tell you, Vaj?
> > > >
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > He used his penis as his gun and his weapon
> > > of personal destruction?
> > >
> > It tells me that he was a liberal who owned no
> > guns, like a lot of other people. It also tells
> > me that you don't understand much about the
> > 'ugliest abuses of man'. It also tells me you
> > are very afraid of gun owners and that you
> > equate Phillip Gariddo with law-abiding citizens
> > who own guns. That tells me that you're a quack
> > and a crackpot, and quite possible an extremist
> > who thinks nothing of, really, of psycho rapists,
> > and that you'll use any excuse, even kidnapping
> > and rape, in order to post your own liberal
> > political propaganda.
> 
> 
> Considering the guy wasn't known as someone who was shooting people,  
> trying to make something of the (alleged) fact that he did not own a  
> gun (or that they have yet to find one) seems kinda silly Willy. And  
> what is your source that he was an alleged "liberal"? I heard he was  
> a right-wing religious nut!
>
  Maybe it is a case of karma where the results are unfathomable and, you 
shouldn't be too concerned after all.
   It does seem to natural to be concerned over others problems even tho I seem 
to recall reading that "a wise man grieves not for the living nor the dead"

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > Take the case of our recent spammer, "Miryam 
> > Shoshan Yosef"...
> >
> If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are 
> specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second 
> Amendment, which has been consistently upheld 
> by the U.S. Supreme Court. 
> 
> You and Judy can call citizens who exercise 
> their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, 
> but it doesn't do your argument for disarming 
> the people any good. In fact it makes you two 
> look like extremists, not the othe way around. 
> 
> But what is really troubling is not that she 
> might have a gun in her possesion, but that 
> you, living in Spain, would even care if she 
> did. You sound really scared, Barry. 
> 
> Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive, 
> you probabkly already knew that. What I'd be 
> worried about, if I lived over there, is the 
> local terrorists. From what I've read, they're 
> not very fond of people coming over there and 
> sponging off the government.
>

 I would think that a background check on her should disqualify her.
  Here, everyone is checked before getting a permit to purchase which doesn't 
take long.
  On another point, if you need something to contemplate, maybe the new vaccine 
in question will be what causes the flu.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A question for Nelson Riddle (and others, if they want)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> > Take the case of our recent spammer, "Miryam 
> > Shoshan Yosef"...
> >
> If she is a U.S. citizen, her 'gun rights' are 
> specified in the U.S. Constitution, Second 
> Amendment, which has been consistently upheld 
> by the U.S. Supreme Court. 
> 
> You and Judy can call citizens who exercise 
> their civil rights 'gun nuts' if you want to, 
> but it doesn't do your argument for disarming 
> the people any good. In fact it makes you two 
> look like extremists, not the othe way around. 
> 
> But what is really troubling is not that she 
> might have a gun in her possesion, but that 
> you, living in Spain, would even care if she 
> did. You sound really scared, Barry. 
> 
> Firearms laws in Spain are very restrictive, 
> you probabkly already knew that. What I'd be 
> worried about, if I lived over there, is the 
> local terrorists. From what I've read, they're 
> not very fond of people coming over there and 
> sponging off the government.
>

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are the gun wackos going to shoot at?

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 8:06 PM, do.rflex wrote:
> 
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:03 PM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > We just need to expand the definition of who can and
> > > > > cannot have guns.
> > > >
> > > > I think we just need an extensive ad campaign to
> > > > balance the NRA's ads and America's macho cowboy
> > > > heritage from the movies.
> > > >
> > > > Something along the lines of the now-famous ads
> > > > from New South Wales to try to slow down kids who
> > > > were speeding through towns. The campaign, dubbed
> > > > "Fast Car, Small Penis," worked like a charm.
> > > > Accidents in the territory dropped by sommething
> > > > like 50 percent:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.videosift.com/video/Fast-Car-Small-Penis-Campaign
> > > >
> > > > So just come up with a similar ad campaign for
> > > > America that does nothing more than tell the
> > > > obvious truth: "Only feel safe when packing
> > > > a gun? You've got a tiny dick."
> > >
> > >
> > > That's funny. A friend, who is also a psychiatrist, told me "show  
> > me a
> > > middle-aged man obsessed with guns and I'll show you a man with  
> > penis
> > > problems".
> > >
> > > It's one of those little saying you just can't forget. A "sutra" if
> > > you will :-)
> > >
> > > 'Fascination with guns' I see as a "phase" 7-18 year old boys go  
> > thru--
> > > and then they grow up and hopefully stop being boys.
> > >
> >
> > Exactly:
> 
> 
> That just might be worth wearing on the back of a T-Shirt. Over my  
> Kevlar vest, of course. ;-)
>
  How do the middle aged women carrying guns fit in to the picture?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are the gun wackos going to shoot at?

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
>
> 
> 
> Are the Wingnuts Causing Bullets to Fly off the Shelves in Preparation
> for Armed Conflict?
> 
> With Whom?
> 
> Has anyone noticed President Obama taking guns away from Americans?
> Anyone? Hands?
> 
>snip,,
  When he does, it is already too late and, as the scouts say "be prepared"
   That article is older news as things have lightened up some and, supplies 
are making a comeback slowly.
   We can congratulate the president for stimulating this industry at least 
and, wish he did as well with others.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Who are the gun wackos going to shoot at?

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> > > But, you already admitted to wanting to take
> > > the guns away from law-abiding citizens...
> > >
> Vaj wrote:
> > It used to be called "treason"... 
> >
> So, where in the U.S. Constitution is it called
> 'treason'? 
> 
> "A well regulated militia being necessary to the 
> security of a free State, the right of the People 
> to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." 
> - Second Amendment to the United States Constitution
>
  Wouldn't you call some of the government branches that don't abide by the 
constitution an example of treason?

[FairfieldLife] Re: Important - Special election Tuesday, Sept 1st in Fairfield

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> 
> Please share this with all your friends in Fairfield.
> 
> 
>  
>  
> Important - Special election 
> Tuesday, Sept 1st in Fairfield 
> As many may know, there is a special election on Sept 1st in Fairfield (and
> the surrounding district 90) for the vacated Iowa House seat of democrat
> John Whitaker (who was recently appointed to the USDA). 
> 
> The democratic candidate is Curt Hanson, who is a known friend to the
> environment.  
>  
> His opposition is county Board of Supervisors member republican Stephen
> Burgmeier . Burgmeier owns a CAFO [CAFO = confined animal feeding operation
> = factory farm]  
> http://www.epa.gov/region7/water/cafo/index.htm on the outskirts of
> Fairfield and is not known as a friend to the environment.
> 
> This special election will be held this coming Tuesday Sept 1st, though
> voters can also cast their votes early, prior to the 1st, by stopping into
> the Jefferson county courthouse in downtown Fairfield.  All city and county
> polls will be open on Sept 1st
> 
> ===> This election is expected to be VERY close - it could even come to
> single digits (less than 10 votes could well make the difference!) 
> 
> So, if you are registered as a voter in Fairfield (or if you know anyone who
> is), please take advantage of the opportunity in this special election to
> help protect the environmental quality of life in Fairfield and the
> surrounding district 90 by voting FOR Curt Hanson, and to make sure that all
> your FF friends get out to vote as well.
> 
 snip,,
 I noticed that, when surveyed on the marriage definition and the second 
amendment, that Mr. Hanson didn't have a comment..
  That puts him in the class with the man who dosen't have a point of view 
living in his nowhere land.
  A politition without a point ov view? this is a contradiction in terms and 
not a good sign..

[FairfieldLife] Re: The 5 Stages of Fascism

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "vajradhatu108"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
snip,,
> 
> It only appears that way if you don't realize how the Republican party has 
> morphed over time. It's no longer any sort of real, honest "republican" 
> party! In fact it could be argued that our current party system is no true 
> two-party system, only a two-party system by name. In actuality they're one 
> and the same in effect.
> 
> It also helps to point out that founding fathers were in no way way remotely 
> connected with the words "Republican party" and the current party of the same 
> name. They're two different entities entirely. Nor are they the Federalists 
> they imagine themselves as.
> 
> If the founding fathers (my ancestors) saw the Republicans of today, they 
> would either be planning a way to destroy them or (at best) deport them.
> Looks like a good point- deport them both and start over.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The 5 Stages of Fascism

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 9:06 AM, WillyTex wrote:
> 
> > Vaj wrote:
> > > > > Worried about the gun nuts...
> > > > >
> > > > Well, I always thought the 'Brown-shirts'
> > > > were the ones wanting to take AWAY the
> > > > weapons owned by the people. In order to
> > > > do that in the U.S.A., you'd have to
> > > > repeal the Second Amendment.
> > > >
> > > > The last thing the Gestapo would want is
> > > > for the people to have a well regulated
> > > > and armed militia. So, if you're wanting
> > > > to take away my civil rights, then that's
> > > > probably illegal in the U.S.A.
> > > >
> > Nelson wrote:
> > > I believe the first and second amenndment
> > > are both under attack.
> > >
> > So, the 'Brown-shirts' are attacking the U.S.
> > Constitution. They think that American
> > citizens who support the Constitution are
> > 'gun nuts'. So, the 'Brown-shirts' call the
> > Americans who support the Second Amendment
> > 'Brown-shirts', but the real 'Brown-shirts'
> > are the liberals who want to take away our
> > civil rights. So, you're saying that the
> > fascists are attacking in '5 stages' and this
> > is the first stage, calling us 'gun nuts'?
> 
> 
> No, no, no.
> 
> The Brownshirts are the right-wing extremists who are threatening our  
> Democracy by showing up bearing arms at town meetings Willy. These  
> are meetings for talking, not shooting. So what we need to do is take  
> away the guns of right-wing extremists and dangerous militia groups.  
> Everyone else would get to keep theirs. It might just be easier to  
> chip them. You already have a legal militia in Texas called the Texas  
> National Guard. Don't spit in their faces by going vigilante on them!  
> No one wants another Waco Willy or another McVeigh or another  
> Columbine or another Virginia Tech or another Pittsburgh cop killer  
> or another George Tiller killer or .
> 
> There was a famous painting many people have on their walls in the  
> northern US by an artist named Norman Rockwell of what a town hall  
> meeting is supposed to look like. There are no guns in that picture  
> and everyone's free to speak their mind. There are no Brownshirts in  
> that picture Willy. And that's the way us Yankees would like to keep  
> it. We like to feel free to speak our minds. We don't need no  
> Teabagging Brownshirts around.
> 
> And you're supposed to read the article before you respond to it WIlly!
>
   It looks to me  like this picture is sort of inside out--the right wing 
extremest and malitia groups were what saved the country back when.  They were 
the patriots of their day.   Older Yankee

[FairfieldLife] Re: Getcher medical care here...step into the next available cattle stall

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon  wrote:
>
> Seems I heard that HR 3200 also would allow the feds debit your bank 
> accounts. "The lord giveth and the lord taketh away.
> 
> --- On Thu, 8/27/09, WillyTex  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: WillyTex 
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Getcher medical care here...step into the next 
> available cattle stall
snip,
  And the fed taketh away?
   Either way, did they plan on some people not having bank accounts?
I don't use mine much and, wouldn't mind trying doing without.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The 5 Stages of Fascism

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> Vaj wrote:
> > Worried about the gun nuts...
> >
> Well, I always thought the 'Brown-shirts'
> were the ones wanting to take AWAY the
> weapons owned by the people. In order to 
> do that in the U.S.A., you'd have to
> repeal the Second Amendment.
> 
> The last thing the Gestapo would want is 
> for the people to have a well regulated 
> and armed militia. So, if you're wanting 
> to take away my civil rights, then that's 
> probably illegal in the U.S.A.
>
  I believe the first and second amenndment are both under attack.
   

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>  , WLeed3@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >  From: info@
> > To: wleed3@
> > Sent: 8/26/2009 3:43:15 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time
> > Subj: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab>>
> 
> Lol ! What'ya gonna do to stop it wingnut? Shoot somebody?
> 
> OffWorld
>
 Might not have to-lots of people working on getting rid of the Lautenberg type 
butt heads peacefully.
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: Fwd: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj  wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:05 PM, wle...@... wrote:
> 
> > From: i...@...
> > To: wle...@...
> > Sent: 8/26/2009 3:43:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
> > Subj: Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab
> >
> > A special message from Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and  
> > Bear Arms:
> >
> >
> >
> > Stop the Lautenberg Gun Grab
> >
> > Gun Hater Lautenberg Proposes "Extraordinary Powers" Be Given To the  
> > U.S. Attorney General To Limit Gun Sales.
> 
> 
> Are you for or against the "gun grab"?
> 
> Each YEAR, almost 10 times the number of people killed in the Iraq War  
> are killed by guns. It's clear something has to be done.
> 
> One wonders how many homegrown terrorists/militia members are on the  
> list?
> 
> What we need is a phaser like on Star Trek. You set the sucker on  
> "stun" and when someone breaks into your home or tries to mug you, you  
> merely point it at them and they're knocked out. Then ya call 911.  
> Problem solved.
> 
> People are going nutty on this sh*t. People showing up at town  
> meetings with guns, etc. These are all signs of impending fascism,  
> along with the rise of militias. The new brown shirts are the gun nuts  
> in these militias. Let's borrow Sarah Palin's old helicopter and  
> hunt'em down.
>
  Being on the wingnuts mailing list, I have seen this one afew times- there 
are more of them out there.

[FairfieldLife] The Health Care Industry As War Profiteers (was Re: Billionaires for Wealthcare)

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB  wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex"  wrote:
> > >
> > > We have the Most Profitable Health Care System in the World !
> > > 
> > > Keep the Billionaires Rich!
> > > 
> > > Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVwrCzRUX0
> > 
> > Funny and instructive protest/film. 
> > 
> > While on vacation I found an old copy of Vanity Fair
> > and read an article about Halliburton/K&R and the
> > whistleblowers who have pointed out how systematically
> > they have ripped off (and continue to rip it off to 
> > this day) the federal government and, by extension, 
> > US taxpayers.
> > 
> > This flick reminded me that in a real sense the health
> > care industry (doctors, Big Pharma, and insurance com-
> > panies) are K&R's moral equivalents -- war profiteers.
> > 
> > Somewhere along the line, their focus shifted away 
> > fighting the war (against terror, against disease)
> > and shifted to *perpetuating* it. Because every day 
> > they can make it last means millions more in the bank
> > for them. 
> > 
> > What's the difference, after all, between billing the
> > federal government for meals served to a number of 
> > people that exceeds the population of Iraq (and worse,
> > having them *pay* that bill without question), and
> > doctors ordering tests that they know are not necessary
> > but which increase their profits or drug companies 
> > selling a drug in the US for $20 a pill that they sell
> > in other countries for 40 cents a pill? 
> > 
> > Nothing.
> >
> There seems to be a group of people, who continue to be pulling the strings, 
> that have no compassion or mercy, or any redeeming qualities...
> All they know how to do is divide and conquer, and to war against anyone, who 
> is not in their demonic group...
> Like you said, if they can't wage war, overseas, then they will wage war on 
> their own countrymen, and woman...keeping the masses, scared, confused and 
> drained...
> Right now, they've are waging a war on President Obama, and the American 
> people..they will fight tooth and nail to prevent Obama from doing anything 
> which would be against their insidious plans...
> They consider him, to be an easy target, for their propaganda, which taps 
> into racism, and anything else they can come up with...
> They will do anything necessary to stay on top, because they don't believe in 
> a Creator God, the Oneness of Spirit, or any evolved consciousness...They 
> believe in seperateness, as long as they can feel superior...
> It's the same with the people running the TM movement...as they are just a 
> reflection of the same collective rich boy superiority...
> They have evil selfish, and murderous intentions, and if a new age is truly 
> to manifest itself, these selfish egotistical bastards will need to fail, but 
> since they control everything, I'm not sure how this is going to happen...
> They have been at this for too long, to give up now...
> It will take an act of God, to reverse this trend...
> And that is what will probably happen.
> 
> r.g.
>
 Hey  RG  this sounds like a similar situation we had here in the seventeen 
hundreds where a minority of wingnuts handled the problem.
  Now we have even more wingnuts so you can relax.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Swine Flu's, Bird Flu's - caused by Meat Eaters

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings  wrote:
>
> 
> Swine Flus, Bird Flus - caused by Meat Eaters.
> 
> To prevent future epidemics people should stop eating meat. Problem
> solved. No swine flu, no bird flu which starts on farms. Also
> Jacobs-Cruksfeld disease.
> 
> The good thing is it is the meat-eaters like Turq and Willy, who will be
> most susceptable to the epidemics, and then the world will be a better
> place after the meat-heads go.
> 
> OffWorld
>
  From the conspiracy point of view maybe somee of these flu bugs are designer 
fabrications and can't be blamed on the meat eaters.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
>  (snip)
> >  Being a bright lad, I expect you noticed that everyone in Washington is 
> > seriously anti second amendment. (name any of the top players)
> >   Do you think it is accidental?
> >
> Mr. Nelson, it's no riddle, if you believe this stuff as true...
> Just stock up on as much ammo, as you can, at Walmart...just buy everything 
> they have...
> In the meantime, stock up on every kind of handgun, rifle, shotguns, flame 
> throwers, hand grenades, everything...
> The only thing you might have trouble securing is a 'Nuclear War-head'...
> But as smart as you are, you could probably figure out a way to make on...
> 
> R.g.
>
  Hi RG,
  Being the resident conspiracy theorist-rightwingnut-anti UN- anti big 
government and, whatever, I am entitled to have a different opinion than most 
of the current hypnotized types we see in the majority.
   Wallmart here dosent carry ammo anymore and, not being in the rich and 
famous category, stocking up is slow going.  keep laughing..

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
> 
> > > Um, there is no "anti second amendment majority in 
> > > Washington."
> > >
> >  The president,Pelosi, Fienstien, Shumer, Holder, Clinton, The recent 
> > supreme court pick--cant think of the rest now and, I believe, no second 
> > amendment proponent will be appointed for anything in the present 
> > administration.
> 
> These are people who FAVOR STRICTER GUN CONTROL, not
> who oppose the Second Amendment. Two different things.
> 
snip,,
  Most of these people favor a total ban which I would think would qualify as 
anti second amendment.
  I guess we will find out soon enough and, I hope you are right.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001" 
> > >  wrote:
> 
> > > >   As an opinion, I think the present administration
> > > > trying to rewrite the first and second amendment is
> > > > a problem. (amongst others)
> > > >
> > > And, How are they trying to do that? Is that something
> > > you heard on Fox(CIA)News?
> > > 
> > > R.g.
> > >
> >   No, it is  various legislation like H.R. 45 and others
> > that the anti second amendment majority in Washington are
> > trying to put thru.
> 
> Um, there is no "anti second amendment majority in 
> Washington."
>
 The president,Pelosi, Fienstien, Shumer, Holder, Clinton, The recent supreme 
court pick--cant think of the rest now and, I believe, no second amendment 
proponent will be appointed for anything in the present administration.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Should you be forced to get the Swine Flu Vaccination?

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > authfriend wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > 
> > >   
> > >> I've never had a flu shot and I think I only got the
> > >> flu once bad enough to have to lay low and just read
> > >> a book for a few days. Most years I don't get sick
> > >> at all, and if I do get a mild something or other
> > >> after the sleep deprivation and crowds of an Amma
> > >> event, it's usually not bad enough that I can't work
> > >> or do normal things.
> > >
> > > Yebbut...that you've been sick with flu only once before
> > > doesn't tell you anything about whether you'll get it
> > > again--especially the current swine flu, which is new
> > > and different, so people don't have antibodies to it.
> > >
> > > (And if you're able to work and do normal things, that
> > > probably isn't the flu anyway, of any type.)
> > >
> > > The real point is, though, that even if you're not
> > > worried about catching the flu yourself, you should
> > > get the shot; because if you do catch it, you can
> > > spread it to other people who haven't had the shot
> > > (even before you actually start having symptoms), and
> > > who may be more vulnerable to getting *very* sick
> > > if they catch it. You wouldn't just be protecting
> > > yourself, in other words.
> > 
> > "Yebbut?"  A friend who is a psychology professor and
> > former TM'er himself says that TM'ers for some reason
> > respond with "yes, but."   He therefore calls them
> > "yesbutts."  ;-)
> 
> Um, "Yes, but..." is a common phrase used in any
> discussion.
> 
> > Folks are beginning to wonder if Judy has Baxter stock.
> 
> Oh, yeah, right.
> 
> > The flu spread argument is a straw dog.
> 
> Google "herd immunity." It's a well-established
> epidemiological principle.
> 
> > She's trying to make you feel guilty.
> 
> Translation: Bhairitu feels guilty.
> 
> Many people don't know about the herd immunity
> principle and don't realize that their personal
> decision about whether to get a flu shot doesn't
> affect just them.
> 
> There's no reason to feel guilty about not knowing
> about herd immunity. But once you *do* know about
> it, you have a different perspective on whether to
> get a shot--again, because it isn't something that
> affects only you.
> 
>   Would 
> > be really odd if there was a flu epidemic but those
> > who survived were the ones who didn't get the shot.
> 
> Yes, that *would* be really odd.
> 
> > Reminds me of a science fiction story
> 
> Me too. Do you usually make decisions about your
> health based on science fiction stories?
> 
>  where the rulers on this distant planet decided it was 
> > overpopulated and wanted to reduce the population so they said there was 
> > a big epidemic coming and told their populace to get vaccinated.  But it 
> > was actually the vaccine that killed off the populace.

 I would guess that, in this case, there might be some odds that it might not 
be science fiction.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
>
> From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of nelsonriddle2001
> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:31 PM
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'
>  
>   
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "babajii_99" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Anti-Constitutional and want to establish a monied Monarchy..
> > 
> > Because they are: 'Of the Money, by the Money, and for the Money...
> > Simple, huh?
> > 
> > Money first, second and third...the people last on the list...
> > 
> > If you have no money, to the Republicans, you just don't count...as a
> human being...
> > 
> > Kind of demonic, don't ya think?
> > 
> > r.g.
> >
> As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the
> first and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others)
> Might be if they were, but you're just expressing the usual right-wing habit
> of getting all "wee-weed up" (Obama's expression) over fabricated, unfounded
> fears.
>

 Being a bright lad, I expect you noticed that everyone in Washington is 
seriously anti second amendment. (name any of the top players)
  Do you think it is accidental?

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Does This Story 'Ring' True?'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert  wrote:
>
> 'JFK's (CIA) Driver pulled the trigger!'
> 
> http://community-2.webtv.net/Larry762/fontcolor3300FF/page4.html
> 
> A few years ago, met someone in Sedona, AZ...
> Who said his father was a CIA guy, and he had been also...
> He invited me to see a ‘Secret CIA’ film he had, to show me:
> Of who really winged the murder shot, 
> That killed President Kennedy, in broad day light.
> And why the limo slowed down, and why Jackie Kennedy tried to escape from the 
> car...
> 
> The whole thing, seemed to ‘Dark and Spooky’ at the time, so I never took 
> him up, on his offer...
> Anyway, I was curious to see, what he had told me, would be documented on the 
> ‘Internets’...
> But, it makes sense, in that it seems this dark shadow government has been 
> pulling the strings behind the scenes, since that day, in Dallas, 
> Texas...(‘Bush Terror-tory’)
> 
> From that day on, we have been ‘At War’ with something, or other...
> First their was the Viet Nam war.
> The War on Poverty.
> The war on MLK
> The war on RFK
> The adoption of the ‘Southern Stategy’...war on liberals.
> The War on Drugs.
> The War on the Middle Class’
> The War on People like John Lennon(Nixon’s hope to deport John)
> Reagan’s war on government, war on the poor, to scheister everything to the 
> top, and expect it to ‘Trickle Down?’...what a joke he was! Hollywood 
> movie actor, reading his lines, for you know who...
> Secret dealing with the Iranians, to sell weapons, sway the election, 
> Contra/Drug running...flooding the market with cocaine.
> Big Biz Takeover of all media...
> Supreme court elects President, illegally.
> Cheney strengthens the ‘Shadow Government, with secret dealings..
> More and more manipulation of the Wall St. dealings...
> Strengthening the grip of the military/ corporate takeover of America.
> Outsourcing of jobs, for cheap overseas labor...
> Invading Iraq, for oil, and not worrying about the 100,000’s people killed, 
> maimed and terrorized.
> As he, like his friends are psychopaths, or one having no conscious, 
> soul-less.
> The creation of war vehicles, to be sold to the general public(Hummers)
> A liar President who manipulated the Corporate owned media, to do his 
> bidding...
> The false price gouging of the oil companies, to $4.50 a gallon.
> The stealing of 700 billion from the US treasury, as their last act in 
> office, after they bankrupted the country..
> The war on Liberal and Progressives by the Corporate[CIA] 
> ‘’Christian-Reich Wing Media, like Fox, and all the rest of the 
> ‘Brainwashed Soul-less Zombies’...
> 
> Add your own
>
 All this time I thought you were anti conspiracy theory wow.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "nelsonriddle2001"  
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Anti-Constitutional and want to establish a monied Monarchy..
> > >  
> > > Because they are: 'Of the Money, by the Money, and for the Money...
> > > Simple, huh?
> > > 
> > > Money first, second and third...the people last on the list...
> > > 
> > > If you have no money, to the Republicans, you just don't count...as a 
> > > human being...
> > > 
> > > Kind of demonic, don't ya think?
> > > 
> > > r.g.
> > >
> >   As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the 
> > first and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others)
> >
> And, How are they trying to do that? Is that something you heard on 
> Fox(CIA)News?
> 
> R.g.
>
  No, it is  various legislation like H.R. 45 and others that the anti second 
amendment majority in Washington are trying to put thru.
  With the latest supreme court pick, things have gotten even worse.

[FairfieldLife] Re: Should you be forced to get the Swine Flu Vaccination?

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu  wrote:
> >
> > Don't be ridiculous.  It is not about me being macho
> > but about putting things in my body I don't want.  Do
> > you let the government just put whatever they want in
> > your body?
> 
> You tell me, "Don't be ridiculous," and then you ask an
> inane question like that??
> 
> If the government has something that will make it less
> likely that I'll get the flu and thus less likely that
> I'll pass it on to somebody else, I'll INSIST that the
> government put it in my body.
> 
> 
> > The vaccine won't be tested enough on humans and we won't
> > know the long range effects.   You really trust Big Pharma?
> > Here's what happened in 1976 (60 Minutes report):
> 
> The big problem in 1976 was that the gummint jumped
> the gun and started mass immunizations before it was
> clear they were needed, not that there was something
> horribly wrong with the vaccine. (There was *far*
> less evidence of a pandemic then than there is now.)
> 
> There was an increased risk of Guillain-Barre with
> the vaccine, but the disease is so rare in the first
> place that it didn't amount to a huge threat. If the
> flu had turned out to be as bad as was initially
> feared, it would have far outweighed the danger of
> G-B. The tragedy is that the vaccine wasn't needed
> in the first place.
> snip,,
> 
> We don't know yet if it's going to mutate into something
> more virulent (i.e., that makes people sicker) this fall.
> There's a good chance it will. If it does, and people don't
> get their shots, we'll be in big trouble.
>
  If there is a mutated version and, given the lead time to make new shots 
available, will the present program be of much help?
   Is it possible that it might be a "designer" virus to sell cures for like 
cars that dont last too long and, the answer is more new cars.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Republican Agenda'

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "babajii_99"  wrote:
>
> Anti-Constitutional and want to establish a monied Monarchy..
>  
> Because they are: 'Of the Money, by the Money, and for the Money...
> Simple, huh?
> 
> Money first, second and third...the people last on the list...
> 
> If you have no money, to the Republicans, you just don't count...as a human 
> being...
> 
> Kind of demonic, don't ya think?
> 
> r.g.
>
  As an opinion, I think the present administration trying to rewrite the first 
and second amendment is a problem. (amongst others)

[FairfieldLife] Re: Willytex is on Medicare, so is Shemp.

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex  wrote:
>
> > > I'm enrolled in the government plan,
> > > almost everyone around here is, since
> > > it's an automatic payroll deduction.
> > > But I'm on an employee group plan
> > > provided by my employer. I make a
> > > small co-pay, but I'm not sick, so I
> > > don't use the plan very much. You
> > > can't use both at the same time.
> > >
> Bhairitu wrote:
> > I guess that makes you a hypocrite or 
> > at least a very selfish person. You're 
> > saying "I've got mine, but I don't 
> > want anyone else to have it."
> >
> You still don't seem to get it - we
> want to expand the Medicare to cover
> everyone AND bring down the cost of
> health care.
> 
> Everybody is on the government plan, - 
> there's no opt-out, it's an automatic
> payroll deduction. When you reach your
> full retirement age, you get Medicare.
>
Hi Will,
 Wouldn't this end up like SS where there are less people working as a 
proportion of those collecting?
  Wouldn' this plan hinge on full employment which is rare?
  I would think that the people who don't work would be a problem.
  It would be nice if everyone could be taken care of- hope it could work out. 
  

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: It was good enough for Senators Obama and Biden...

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of raunchydog
> > Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 11:55 PM
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: It was good enough for Senators Obama and
> > Biden...
> >  
> >   
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> >  , "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> > > 
> > > I posted it in all sincerity and signed the petition myself (for what it's
> > > worth). I'm very sorry about what happened to your niece and I'm afraid I
> > > don't have answers to the important questions you asked. It's hard for me
> > to
> > > imagine being the victim of such violence. I could give you philosophical
> > > musings about karma, free will, etc., but we just make ourselves feel good
> > > with those things. You're right. We do live in a sick society. You and I
> > > live in pockets of relative sanity, but far too many people have been
> > going
> > > through hell for far too long. I could argue that men have been the
> > victims
> > > of their fair share of violence too, mostly as soldiers, but then men have
> > > been primarily responsible for starting the wars (although Condi probably
> > > played a significant part in starting the last one). So I can only give
> > you
> > > platitudes and sympathy and my sincere hopes that we are indeed shifting
> > > into a more enlightened age. Let's each individually continue to
> > contribute
> > > all we can to facilitating that shift, and be careful not to do anything
> > to
> > > impede it.
> > >
> > 
> > Thanks, Rick. I don't know if I see a moral equivalency between killing
> > soldiers and raping women. Soldiers enlist and at least have a fighting
> > chance. In countries blown to bits by war, chaos is a way of life and raping
> > women is a sport. Sick, indeed. I'll see you at Lobe sack's town hall.
> > Good point. One observation, perhaps invalid, is that women "enlist" in
> > relationships with the wrong guys, just as soldiers are often duped into
> > enlisting for reasons other than those for which the war is actually being
> > fought. Both go through hell as a consequence.
> >
> 
> This goes to my earlier question. Is it reasonable to ask: Was my niece 
> asking for it? Was she provoking it? The blame always seems to be on the 
> woman. "Choose a better partner." "Shut up and don't talk back." "What did 
> you do to piss him off?"  Geez, why is it so difficult to say misogyny is 
> wrong and men are the perpetrators of violence against women instead of 
> blaming the women?
>
  Seems there are many factors leading up to the present  levels of profound 
ignorance we see.
   From a creationist point of view it should be noted that the women were the 
final outstanding work and, should be treated as such.
   From the evolutionary point of view it should be noted that without the 
women, humanity would cease to exist after one generation.
   I guess it must be an older pov,maybe chauvinist?,that women should be 
protected and cared for.
The present state of affairs is indeed sad.

[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: It was good enough for Senators Obama and Biden...

[nelsonriddle2001]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog"  wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer"  wrote:
> >
> > Hey Raunch, do I get brownie points for posting this?
> >  
> 
> Rick, thanks for posting the Amnesty International petition. It's one the few 
> organizations I regularly donate to. I would hope that you posted it as a 
> person of conscience and not as the disingenuous person posing in your 
> comment. Violence against women is a serious business. 
> 
> I wasn't going to write about this, but your post is just a reminder of what 
> my family has been dealing with the past few days.
> 
> My brother's daughter, 28 years-old, is the mother of three boys by three 
> different men. The first boy is 12 his father is African American. The second 
> boy is 6 his father is also African American. The third boy is 1 his father 
> is a Lebanese American Muslim. Last Friday night, father number three, 
> choked, raped and sodomized my niece. She spent two days in the hospital 
> recovering from injuries.  
> 
> All I can feel is overwhelming sadness for her and unbelievable rage washing 
> over my heart like hot ice. I don't dwell on it but now that I'm talking 
> about it, I'm feeling the rawness of it all. Everyone experiences family loss 
> and tragedy. I'm no different from anyone else in that respect. I don't 
> expect pity or reproach for telling this story. It just is what it is, 
> another example of tragic everyday violence against women.
> 
> When images come to my awareness of the rapist boyfriend holding my precious 
> niece against her will, forcing himself on her while she screams and his baby 
> cries for her, I want to claw his face to shreds and kill the fucker with my 
> bare hands. He's lucky he's in jail. My brother feels the same way as I do. I 
> worry he really would beat the shit out of this guy and probably end up in 
> jail himself.
> 
> I have a very low tolerance for drama in my personal relationships. Life is 
> good. My niece and the other hand, has had one dramatic event in her life 
> after another, living with a series of jackass boyfriends who beat her up. 
> Now that it has come to this, extreme violence bordering on homicide is it 
> reasonable to ask: Was she asking for it? What did she do or say to provoke 
> him?  Did they have too much to drink? Why does she always pick violent men? 
> Why doesn't she have more self respect? What kind of a mother would allow her 
> child to live in a violent home? The onus is always on the woman. Why is 
> that? I'm interested to hear what others think. 
> 
> I comfort my mother and pray for my brother. Violence against women isn't so 
> far away. It's in our homes, quietly hidden in families too afraid or ashamed 
> to tell anyone about it. I'm talking and it's damn painful. I don't have the 
> any answers for my niece, but I do have a responsibility to speak on her 
> behalf and tell her story, here and now just to see if I'm alone in the echo 
> chamber or resonating with someone out there I don't know.
> 
> Women of courage are not silent. Hillary was the first person to say, women's 
> rights are human rights. It was such an obvious statement to me, but it was 
> considered bold and controversial in China and the world received it as if it 
> was an amazing revelation. 
> 
> It's a damn sick society we live in. It's sick that we have to twist 
> Congress' arm just to do the right thing and support the International 
> Violence against Women Act. What say you?
>
  Hi RD, sorry to hear such a story and, wish there was something I could do to 
help.
   Not many people these days have had good examples of how a well functioning 
family unit operates and so, often have no background to make good decisions on 
their own.
  Family unit breakdown endangers all of society and, if one read all the 
"conspiracy" theories about it, you might think the whole problem was set in 
motion quite a few years back.
   I am saddened also...  N.