Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > Okay, until now we don't know what kind of application you were looking > to do. I'm not a business software developer. I'm way too right > brained for that and would find it boring anyway. Yet it also sounds > like you are building something for a solution "to big to exist." Just > how big is "massive" in this context? :-) > I can't go into details. I thank you all for the viewpoints and experiences you've rendered.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
I am the eternal wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> And what happens when the network goes down? I think that was the issue >> others raised here. Are you saying it is a good idea for businesses who >> find their employees playing around too much on their desktops and some >> more like a dumb terminal will get work done. That might be a little >> short sighted because sometimes employees need to access the Internet. >> When I go to Hollywood Video the store has an ancient database system >> which looks like its running Turbo Pascal. They can't access their own >> company website to answer a question for a customer. >> >> > > I guess we're having a failure to communicate here. You are thinking > about replacing PCs and perhaps enterprise servers with the cloud and > dumb terminals. Plug in dumb terminals and go. I am looking to > architect a massive ecommerce solution which will scale with the > seasons and other factors. We're looking at a totally self-contained > solution with a big pipe in and a big pipe out. It differs from using > a typical hosting service in that a hosting services doesn't offer > quick growth/shrinking of servers and a hosting service doesn't > typically host every part of the solution. > > What happens if the network goes down? That's what virtual IPs and > co-location/replication are for. Have kind of bumpless, kind of > automatic failover from Japan to Scotland. That's assuming failover > is needed. Redundant NICs and interconnects are pretty common these > days. And what goes on within the cloud? Well, that's FM where the M > stands for magic. > > Okay, until now we don't know what kind of application you were looking to do. I'm not a business software developer. I'm way too right brained for that and would find it boring anyway. Yet it also sounds like you are building something for a solution "to big to exist." Just how big is "massive" in this context? :-) Then I also see companies like Comcast that from what I can tell are running on a multitude of legacy database systems (just to save money) which won't link up hence leaving the customer often at a loss if they want to inquire what their actual cable package is, are the new channels going to be added to that package or what package will they be added to or why do I have this item on my bill that shouldn't be there? Often the only people that know are the folks at the "headend" where all the controls for the programming goes out on the system where you are. And they are like kings in their fiefdom and the CSRs act like they are terrified to contact them. This little cost saving initiative by their suits makes them look like one of the worst run companies in the US. Such is the business world and why "suits" are on the third rung of the caste system. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Bhairitu wrote: > And what happens when the network goes down? I think that was the issue > others raised here. Are you saying it is a good idea for businesses who > find their employees playing around too much on their desktops and some > more like a dumb terminal will get work done. That might be a little > short sighted because sometimes employees need to access the Internet. > When I go to Hollywood Video the store has an ancient database system > which looks like its running Turbo Pascal. They can't access their own > company website to answer a question for a customer. > I guess we're having a failure to communicate here. You are thinking about replacing PCs and perhaps enterprise servers with the cloud and dumb terminals. Plug in dumb terminals and go. I am looking to architect a massive ecommerce solution which will scale with the seasons and other factors. We're looking at a totally self-contained solution with a big pipe in and a big pipe out. It differs from using a typical hosting service in that a hosting services doesn't offer quick growth/shrinking of servers and a hosting service doesn't typically host every part of the solution. What happens if the network goes down? That's what virtual IPs and co-location/replication are for. Have kind of bumpless, kind of automatic failover from Japan to Scotland. That's assuming failover is needed. Redundant NICs and interconnects are pretty common these days. And what goes on within the cloud? Well, that's FM where the M stands for magic.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
I am the eternal wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > >> The tech industries are always inventing things to make money for >> themselves. Most are a waste of time. The real solution would be to >> get rid of the need to keep inventing shit just to survive. It's a very >> screwed up dog eat dog world we live in. Bring in the asteroid. ;-) >> >> > > Sorry but I see the utility for cloud computing. It's cheap, it's on > demand, it's flexible as heck (a dozen different operating systems and > machines, dozens of database and application software supported). > Yes, in principle this is MVS revisited. But MVS wasn't at all as ad > hoc as cloud computing. Now I do agree that there is ever a new > implementation language being developed. We all remember that the DOD > spent billions of USD when billions were real money, for a language > which would be the end of all programming in a few years. The DOD > envisioned thousands of Ada classes which could be strung together to > create any and all new software. Well, it was a good idea in > principle. And what happens when the network goes down? I think that was the issue others raised here. Are you saying it is a good idea for businesses who find their employees playing around too much on their desktops and some more like a dumb terminal will get work done. That might be a little short sighted because sometimes employees need to access the Internet. When I go to Hollywood Video the store has an ancient database system which looks like its running Turbo Pascal. They can't access their own company website to answer a question for a customer. I get customers that want software on the iPhone. Lame Apple made the language on the iPhone Objective C instead of C++ or Java. Who the hell wants to learn a dead end language like that? Apple is all about Steve Jobs (Objective C being one of this legacies). We have all these companies like Apple, Microsoft, Sony, etc behaving like fascists trying to set up their own fiefdoms and trying to rule to the world. They all need to be broken up into 1000 smaller companies.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Bhairitu wrote: > > The tech industries are always inventing things to make money for > themselves. Most are a waste of time. The real solution would be to > get rid of the need to keep inventing shit just to survive. It's a very > screwed up dog eat dog world we live in. Bring in the asteroid. ;-) > Sorry but I see the utility for cloud computing. It's cheap, it's on demand, it's flexible as heck (a dozen different operating systems and machines, dozens of database and application software supported). Yes, in principle this is MVS revisited. But MVS wasn't at all as ad hoc as cloud computing. Now I do agree that there is ever a new implementation language being developed. We all remember that the DOD spent billions of USD when billions were real money, for a language which would be the end of all programming in a few years. The DOD envisioned thousands of Ada classes which could be strung together to create any and all new software. Well, it was a good idea in principle.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
I am the eternal wrote: > I'm interested any feedback I can get. I like Amazon's write up ( > http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ ), as usual much clearer than that offered > by my company (which company I'm sure Vaj has search out and will > blast it's names across our monitors). This looks like it's going to > fun. As I read the documentation offered by the various vendors I > keep getting these ritam experiences. It's like I see the design of > Creation in the design and the use of these cloud offerings. You mean as in making personal computers dumb terminals to an online central computer? Thats how computer systems worked eons ago. Why are we going backwards? Just because Windows is too lame to be secure and grandma is always getting trojans and viruses on her computer? I'd never use it because I don't want my personal data stored at some other computer where it can be perused without me knowing about it. The tech industries are always inventing things to make money for themselves. Most are a waste of time. The real solution would be to get rid of the need to keep inventing shit just to survive. It's a very screwed up dog eat dog world we live in. Bring in the asteroid. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
Security issues are the big flaw, unless you like all your personal info on someone else's server. And if you think your info is secure then maybe you should consider that the people who created this system are the same ones who make viruses and other bugs for the same systems they create. In case you know little about that, which is quite possible maybe you should take a quick look at www.astalavista.com On the other hand, since that site is made by hackers it may have a few trojans and viruses embedded in its code. At any rate, the fucking PC is still bug ridden and people are wanting 'cloud computing' and ready to trust it. I need another refill on my xanax. Or we need to get more Sleeping Sidhas into the domes. Cause 'cloud computing' is a masquerade just like the internet, for government spying. Nothing more. Fuck all that 'it's quicker' bullshit. It's not quicker because it hasn't been even tested yet. Sure it may work in China and other countries which are more openly socialistic and less about human rights because then a simple command line can be drawn which could effect all the entire range of users, like say, nobody gets to use the word 'fuck' in this cloud. There goes freedom of speech. One command )__and your rights are gone - Original Message - From: "I am the eternal" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2009 4:45 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing? > I'm interested any feedback I can get. I like Amazon's write up ( > http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ ), as usual much clearer than that offered > by my company (which company I'm sure Vaj has search out and will > blast it's names across our monitors). This looks like it's going to > fun. As I read the documentation offered by the various vendors I > keep getting these ritam experiences. It's like I see the design of > Creation in the design and the use of these cloud offerings. > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
[FairfieldLife] Anyone here set up a system using cloud computing?
I'm interested any feedback I can get. I like Amazon's write up ( http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ ), as usual much clearer than that offered by my company (which company I'm sure Vaj has search out and will blast it's names across our monitors). This looks like it's going to fun. As I read the documentation offered by the various vendors I keep getting these ritam experiences. It's like I see the design of Creation in the design and the use of these cloud offerings.
