[FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible
There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term TM TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been somewhat taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance of what he was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according to MMY) once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because all of their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or whatever/whomever they believe is pulling the strings. I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of enlightenment. And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because they've been TAUGHT to believe that. If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain fart is not only a form of Something good is happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. It's an indicator -- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based on this concept. Park and Lock It -- Not Responsible. The whole idea is that the person selling something or doing something is Not Responsible for whatever happens to those buying it. People who believe in this Brain Fart Consciousness model of enlightenment seem to feel that they can do or say ANYTHING and *get away with it* because it's not really *them* doing it. It's God, or enlightenment, or the Laws Of Nature. THEY are off the hook. The thing is, I don't think either the material world OR the more sensible world of enlightenment work that way. The person in the lab who has had this not the doer brain fart induced may FEEL as if their actions are being performed by someone/something ELSE, but THEY'RE NOT. If a subject in such an experiment, completely convinced that they were not the doer, chose to do something like rob a bank or kill someone, they would be convicted in a court of law faster than shit through a goose. And rightly. What they feel about who or what is pulling the trigger is simply not in question. If it was their finger on the trigger, THEY are responsible. But in spiritual communities who have been conditioned to believe the SAME myths about what enlightenment means, people who claim to be in this witnessing Brain Fart Consciousness do and say stuff every day that the people around them *let them get away with*, because these toadies have been taught to believe the same myth. People who have claimed to be enlightened have committed crimes, have raped people, have lied, have smuggled money across international borders, and have done any number of other heinous deeds, and their followers not only *let them get away with it*, they make excuses to justify these actions. All because all of them have been brainwashed with this idea that once a person has become enlightened, that person is Not Responsible any more. Being enlightened trumps any notions of law or morality or even decency. Whatever the person in Brain Fart Consciousness finds themselves doing, that is RIGHT, PERFECT, a veritable manifestation of the Laws Of Nature. You'll have to forgive me if I find people who believe in this model of
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turq, if you were actually around long term TMers you would know how they really are about taking responsibility. Most simply live their lives as best as they can, contributing to the happiness of the world as best as they can. I find much of what you say about TMers to be very dated, not relevant to how long term TMers are now. On Monday, May 19, 2014 3:24 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term TM TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been somewhat taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance of what he was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according to MMY) once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because all of their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or whatever/whomever they believe is pulling the strings. I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of enlightenment. And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because they've been TAUGHT to believe that. If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain fart is not only a form of Something good is happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. It's an indicator -- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based on this concept. Park and Lock It -- Not Responsible. The whole idea is that the person selling something or doing something is Not Responsible for whatever happens to those buying it. People who believe in this Brain Fart Consciousness model of enlightenment seem to feel that they can do or say ANYTHING and *get away with it* because it's not really *them* doing it. It's God, or enlightenment, or the Laws Of Nature. THEY are off the hook. The thing is, I don't think either the material world OR the more sensible world of enlightenment work that way. The person in the lab who has had this not the doer brain fart induced may FEEL as if their actions are being performed by someone/something ELSE, but THEY'RE NOT. If a subject in such an experiment, completely convinced that they were not the doer, chose to do something like rob a bank or kill someone, they would be convicted in a court of law faster than shit through a goose. And rightly. What they feel about who or what is pulling the trigger is simply not in question. If it was their finger on the trigger, THEY are responsible. But in spiritual communities who have been conditioned to believe the SAME myths about what enlightenment means, people who claim to be in this witnessing Brain Fart Consciousness do and say stuff every day that the people around them *let them get away with*, because these toadies have been taught to believe the same myth. People who have claimed to be enlightened have committed crimes, have raped people, have lied, have smuggled money across international borders, and have done any number of other heinous deeds, and their followers not only *let them get away with it*, they make excuses to
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Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. The idea of enlightenment that MMY states in his commentary in the Gita and elsewhere is the underlying driving force behind the race to enlightenment for the majority of meditators, that and the supposed end of suffering, acquisition of power, and acquisition of knowledge. It would be interesting to conduct a survey of people at MUM and ask them to rank these goals in order of importance to them. And in fact it is this description of enlightenment and what people in enlightenment experience and how they behave that convinces me that Marshy was in fact NOT enlightened. His assertion that an enlightened man lives a cosmic life, that his actions are cosmic actions that his thoughts are God's thoughts, his desires are God's or Cosmic desires. This was accompanied by a lifetime of behavior that included lying to people personally and to large groups, taking money under false pretenses, i.e. financial fraud, using his female followers for his sexual pleasure and lying about being a life long celibate, showing anger, irritation, and other emotions that one would not associate with enlightenment and showing not only contempt for others but a clear lack of concern as to how his actions affected others. Either he wasn't enlightened according to his own definition of same, or his brand of enlightenment is worthless. The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit. It is used as an excuse by people who want to do as they please and take prideful credit for themselves by claiming that as an awakened or enlightened person they are beyond all considerations or that their actions are cosmic actions. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 4:24 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible There are many things that still surprise me about the things that long-term TM TBs believe and that I no longer believe, but I admit to having been somewhat taken aback yesterday at Lawson's seemingly unquestioning acceptance of what he was told about the nature of enlightenment. That is, that (according to MMY) once one is enlightened, a person cannot possibly do any wrong, because all of their actions are run by God, or the Laws Of Nature, or whatever/whomever they believe is pulling the strings. I personally consider this belief THE most negative and THE most destructive in all of the spiritual mythologies that have built up around the concept of enlightenment. And I say this *knowing* where the belief comes from. It comes from the subjective experience of a brain fart that makes one feel as if one is not the doer. THAT, plus the experience of having some dissociative distance from one's thoughts and actions that one has been taught to associate with witnessing have been the cause of most of the bad things that have taken place in the history of the pursuit of enlightenment. The fascinating thing from my point of view is that this particular brain fart can be created in a laboratory, through the use of medications, or by overloading the normal electrical impulses of the brain by stronger impulses, applied to certain areas of the brain. When this happens, the subject begins to feel as if they are not the doer, and that something ELSE is running things. All because of an induced brain fart. Enlightenment traditions that glorify this brain fart teach that this mysterious ELSE is God, or the workings of the Laws Of Nature, and thus anything the person in Brain Fart Consciousness finds themselves doing while in this not the doer state is the RIGHT thing, the GODLY thing, the PERFECT thing. I -- having experienced this brain fart myself many times -- call bullshit. Brain Fart Consciousness is Just Another State Of Attention. It is no better or higher or superior than any other. People just believe it is because they've been TAUGHT to believe that. If they had never heard any of the myths of the enlightenment traditions, and had just stumbled upon this brain fart themselves, they would probably consult a psychiatrist, who would diagnose their condition as dissociation. But they HAVE been taught that this witnessing brain fart is not only a form of Something good is happening, it's the BEST form of something good happening. It's an indicator -- in their brainwashed minds, that is -- of enlightenment. And why? Because, in my opinion, these people long for a state in which they can consider themselves Not Responsible for anything they do. The 60s comedy group The Firesign Theater used to do some great routines based
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One more time: What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. (snip) The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit.
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I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. O, all yew need is TM. Just meditate twice a day. Never pay attention to or attempt to develop powers, siddhis. Ohhh, now you need to come pay some big money for the shddhi program! I'll teach you to walk through walls and levitate! But don't pay attention to the powers, even though we been advertising with posters showing people seeming to flying. What! You aren't flying yet!?! Its your own fault, you have too much stress in your nervous system. Just keep coming on courses and do that program! The siddhis are 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, so the practice of TMSP will accelerate your path to enlightenment. What! No one is enlightened yet? Well, see it really don't have nothin' to do with enlightenment, its all about changing the atmosphere of the world, and to do that you gots to do TMSP IN GROUPS! That's the most important thing! In addition to group practice of TMSP, you need to take various ayurvedic nostrums, pay for various ayurvedic routines, have ongoing jyotish charts done, pay for very expensive jyotish gems, get various Marshy approved healings from Indian healers, move into Marshy designed homes that guarantee a good life, pay for pundits to do yagyas, pay for yagyas for yourself, pay me to have Peace Palaces, Towers of Invincibility, buy plastic vedic observatory models and on an on. Golly, did I ever teach that TM was all you needed? Ooppss! From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible One more time: What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. (snip) The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit.
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Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums You didn't know that he had said this. - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. I'm not throwing down on Barry. I just thought you might find it of interest that he's done a 180 on that particular point. I didn't realize that would make him a scumbag like Maharishi in your eyes.
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LOL - Yes! I had forgotten all about these: plastic vedic observatory models - not to make light of your issue, but wtf was that Vedic Observatory Garden?! Did anyone actually visit it, and did it work? Just seemed like a really odd and esoteric bit of the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. O, all yew need is TM. Just meditate twice a day. Never pay attention to or attempt to develop powers, siddhis. Ohhh, now you need to come pay some big money for the shddhi program! I'll teach you to walk through walls and levitate! But don't pay attention to the powers, even though we been advertising with posters showing people seeming to flying. What! You aren't flying yet!?! Its your own fault, you have too much stress in your nervous system. Just keep coming on courses and do that program! The siddhis are 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, so the practice of TMSP will accelerate your path to enlightenment. What! No one is enlightened yet? Well, see it really don't have nothin' to do with enlightenment, its all about changing the atmosphere of the world, and to do that you gots to do TMSP IN GROUPS! That's the most important thing! In addition to group practice of TMSP, you need to take various ayurvedic nostrums, pay for various ayurvedic routines, have ongoing jyotish charts done, pay for very expensive jyotish gems, get various Marshy approved healings from Indian healers, move into Marshy designed homes that guarantee a good life, pay for pundits to do yagyas, pay for yagyas for yourself, pay me to have Peace Palaces, Towers of Invincibility, buy plastic vedic observatory models and on an on. Golly, did I ever teach that TM was all you needed? Ooppss! From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible One more time: What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. (snip) The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit.
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I have no idea how your brain interprets things but I hardly view Barry as a scumbag - I have a great deal more respect for him than I do Marshy tho, I will say that. From: authfri...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums You didn't know that he had said this. - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. I'm not throwing down on Barry. I just thought you might find it of interest that he's done a 180 on that particular point. I didn't realize that would make him a scumbag like Maharishi in your eyes.
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I never knew about the garden - just the model which went for around $3,000 per unit. From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible LOL - Yes! I had forgotten all about these: plastic vedic observatory models - not to make light of your issue, but wtf was that Vedic Observatory Garden?! Did anyone actually visit it, and did it work? Just seemed like a really odd and esoteric bit of the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. O, all yew need is TM. Just meditate twice a day. Never pay attention to or attempt to develop powers, siddhis. Ohhh, now you need to come pay some big money for the shddhi program! I'll teach you to walk through walls and levitate! But don't pay attention to the powers, even though we been advertising with posters showing people seeming to flying. What! You aren't flying yet!?! Its your own fault, you have too much stress in your nervous system. Just keep coming on courses and do that program! The siddhis are 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, so the practice of TMSP will accelerate your path to enlightenment. What! No one is enlightened yet? Well, see it really don't have nothin' to do with enlightenment, its all about changing the atmosphere of the world, and to do that you gots to do TMSP IN GROUPS! That's the most important thing! In addition to group practice of TMSP, you need to take various ayurvedic nostrums, pay for various ayurvedic routines, have ongoing jyotish charts done, pay for very expensive jyotish gems, get various Marshy approved healings from Indian healers, move into Marshy designed homes that guarantee a good life, pay for pundits to do yagyas, pay for yagyas for yourself, pay me to have Peace Palaces, Towers of Invincibility, buy plastic vedic observatory models and on an on. Golly, did I ever teach that TM was all you needed? Ooppss! From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible One more time: What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. (snip) The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit.
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I was wrong - they are $3,500 now, plus shipping and handling. http://vedicobservatory.svr.com//Products.html Get Your Own Maharishi Vedic Observatory Model ... View on vedicobservatory.svr... Preview by Yahoo From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible LOL - Yes! I had forgotten all about these: plastic vedic observatory models - not to make light of your issue, but wtf was that Vedic Observatory Garden?! Did anyone actually visit it, and did it work? Just seemed like a really odd and esoteric bit of the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. O, all yew need is TM. Just meditate twice a day. Never pay attention to or attempt to develop powers, siddhis. Ohhh, now you need to come pay some big money for the shddhi program! I'll teach you to walk through walls and levitate! But don't pay attention to the powers, even though we been advertising with posters showing people seeming to flying. What! You aren't flying yet!?! Its your own fault, you have too much stress in your nervous system. Just keep coming on courses and do that program! The siddhis are 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, so the practice of TMSP will accelerate your path to enlightenment. What! No one is enlightened yet? Well, see it really don't have nothin' to do with enlightenment, its all about changing the atmosphere of the world, and to do that you gots to do TMSP IN GROUPS! That's the most important thing! In addition to group practice of TMSP, you need to take various ayurvedic nostrums, pay for various ayurvedic routines, have ongoing jyotish charts done, pay for very expensive jyotish gems, get various Marshy approved healings from Indian healers, move into Marshy designed homes that guarantee a good life, pay for pundits to do yagyas, pay for yagyas for yourself, pay me to have Peace Palaces, Towers of Invincibility, buy plastic vedic observatory models and on an on. Golly, did I ever teach that TM was all you needed? Ooppss! From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible One more time: What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. (snip) The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit.
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Yeah, I am pretty sure there was an outdoor 'showroom'. But it was a long time ago.
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THAT would make an awesome aquarium! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I was wrong - they are $3,500 now, plus shipping and handling. http://vedicobservatory.svr.com//Products.html http://vedicobservatory.svr.com//Products.html http://vedicobservatory.svr.com//Products.html Get Your Own Maharishi Vedic Observatory Model ... http://vedicobservatory.svr.com//Products.html View on vedicobservatory.svr... http://vedicobservatory.svr.com//Products.html Preview by Yahoo From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible LOL - Yes! I had forgotten all about these: plastic vedic observatory models - not to make light of your issue, but wtf was that Vedic Observatory Garden?! Did anyone actually visit it, and did it work? Just seemed like a really odd and esoteric bit of the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. O, all yew need is TM. Just meditate twice a day. Never pay attention to or attempt to develop powers, siddhis. Ohhh, now you need to come pay some big money for the shddhi program! I'll teach you to walk through walls and levitate! But don't pay attention to the powers, even though we been advertising with posters showing people seeming to flying. What! You aren't flying yet!?! Its your own fault, you have too much stress in your nervous system. Just keep coming on courses and do that program! The siddhis are 10,000 times more powerful than TM alone, so the practice of TMSP will accelerate your path to enlightenment. What! No one is enlightened yet? Well, see it really don't have nothin' to do with enlightenment, its all about changing the atmosphere of the world, and to do that you gots to do TMSP IN GROUPS! That's the most important thing! In addition to group practice of TMSP, you need to take various ayurvedic nostrums, pay for various ayurvedic routines, have ongoing jyotish charts done, pay for very expensive jyotish gems, get various Marshy approved healings from Indian healers, move into Marshy designed homes that guarantee a good life, pay for pundits to do yagyas, pay for yagyas for yourself, pay me to have Peace Palaces, Towers of Invincibility, buy plastic vedic observatory models and on an on. Golly, did I ever teach that TM was all you needed? Ooppss! From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 1:57 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible One more time: What if what has been described as enlightenment in the past has *absolutely nothing* to do with personality or behavior? What if, just as those who described it in the past have said, it is purely about consciousness, having the ability to directly perceive eternality 24/7, and that ability has *absolutely nothing* to do with what is going on simultaneously in terms of personality and behavior? --Barry Wright, awhile back on alt.m.t Barry hit the nail on the head. This post is pure gold. (snip) The idea which is nearly universally present amongst both the eastern guru movements and the new age and Eckhart Tolle style I am awakened, not enlightened crowd that being enlightened or awakened has nothing to do with behavior is complete bullshit.
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I think you missed the point, Michael. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have no idea how your brain interprets things but I hardly view Barry as a scumbag - I have a great deal more respect for him than I do Marshy tho, I will say that. From: authfriend@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 5:38 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Not Repsonsible Comments below... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I wasn't commenting on what Barry had previously said on other forums You didn't know that he had said this. - I was and am addressing what he said here, today. And if you want to throw down on someone for changing their story, whey not start with Mahesh Prasad Varmint. I'm not throwing down on Barry. I just thought you might find it of interest that he's done a 180 on that particular point. I didn't realize that would make him a scumbag like Maharishi in your eyes.
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On 5/19/2014 8:21 PM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: I think you missed the point, Michael. The correct word is mollusk. LoL! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I have no idea how your brain interprets things but I hardly view Barry as a scumbag - I have a great deal more respect for him than I do Marshy tho, I will say that. --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com
